Powerpuff Girls Z Discussion (It's Official)

[Dark Fact]

I had heard before that DBZ was given the Z not just to say "final". Japanese regard Z as meaning something like "greatness" or something that is at its peak performance. It is a little like the way some people over here use the word or symbol for "omega" to mean the same thing (besides just sounding cool).

I've heard that the "Z" in Dragonball Z stood for "Zen"! Is that the same as greatness?

[NinjaJack]

Psst, psst! Hey you, yeah you reading this right now, tell everyone you know that this show will rock!



signed


-Your hopes and dreams.

[Pathfinder1011]

WOW!!
I saw this on another forum about this Anime version of the original Powerpuff girls. I have to say that this version is a whole lot better than the originals.


WOW AND WOW!!:D

[Kouji Tamino]

...And how would you know if it is better than the original? Just because it's anime? This show could turn out to be horrible. But it could also be quite good. Maybe even great. It all depends on how it's handeled.

[Gokou Ruri]

...And how would you know if it is better than the original? Just because it's anime? Does there need to be any other reason? :rolleyes:

Though to be fair, I think this will bomb because it's anime. Teenage puffs was a crippling blow, but anime-style will just kill it.

[Beat]

I'm giving this about a 50/50 shot of either invigorating the franchise or killing it outright. The kicker is that it's so different from the original show that there's no telling how people will react.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

Anyone know when this will be released? i just saw a clip and it looks great.

[Bunai]

its not just about LOOKS its about content also.

[Lupin the Wolf]

Reminds me of a 30-year-old Exxon radio commercial - so old it was then called Enco. The commercial capitalized on the tag-line "When your fuel gauge points toward E, choose Enco." One of the participants pointed out that on some non-American cars the symbol for Empty is instead something like "O, R or X." So the suggested tag-line for the "international" edition was "When your fuel gauge points toward ORX, choose Enco." The commercial ended with the response "ORX?" :)
Off-topic: Exxon is called Esso in Japan. Lupin the Third is their animated spokesperson, and there have been many promotions involving him, such as Lupin mugs and other such trinkets.
And don't forget Lupin is also a Japanese spokesman for Schick razors....

But I digress.

[Wanted]

Lupin's all over the board in Japan!

But, if you see the new show, then take the time to see it. If you don't like what you see (and you happen to be the world's biggest PPG fan), then start shouting at the TV (phrases like "Cartoon Network, you [expletive]s, you ruined the Powerpuffs!" or "What the [some expletive] is this?"). If that doesn't make you less angry about the show, then start snarling. Find some chairs. Go ballistic. Pick up your sister/brother. Throw her/him at the TV.

You'll feel fine a few minutes after you perform this exercise.

Oh, and if that doesn't work, there's always death threats.

You guys, you know I'm just kidding. I personally will give this new show a chance, and I'll like it (knowing who I am, after all, I'll watch mostly any cartoon [but the Canadian ones always ring a bell, for some reason {MUST VISIT CANADA}]).

[Dark Fact]

Off-topic: Exxon is called Esso in Japan. Lupin the Third is their animated spokesperson, and there have been many promotions involving him, such as Lupin mugs and other such trinkets.

That Lupin commercial for Esso is on a fansite somewhere. I've seen it and showed it to my friend who busted a gut laughing so hard because he's a big Lupin fan! :)

And how did they get all those live tigers at the gas station anyway? :eek:

[Artimus Gigan]

That Lupin commercial for Esso is on a fansite somewhere. I've seen it and showed it to my friend who busted a gut laughing so hard because he's a big Lupin fan! :)

And how did they get all those live tigers at the gas station anyway? :eek:Esso is also avilable in Canada and you can use the Exxon card there as well

[OverMaster]

Does there need to be any other reason? :rolleyes:

Though to be fair, I think this will bomb because it's anime. Teenage puffs was a crippling blow, but anime-style will just kill it.
Excuse me for asking, please, but if you don't like anime, what do you do in an anime board? :sweat:

I think this looks good. I'm giving it a good chance.

[Bunai]

Excuse me for asking, please, but if you don't like anime, what do you do in an anime board? :sweat: .
this thread isn't just connected to the Animeboard, its also in CartoonNetworkboard. its a duel thread.

[OverMaster]

this thread isn't just connected to the Animeboard, its also in CartoonNetworkboard. its a duel thread.
Oh, I see. Sorry, being a novice at a board sometimes really makes a guy look ignorant. :o

[Karl Olson]

Back on topic, I've not heard much noise about this project after this initial debut. No press releases from CN USA, no noise out of Toei or Aniplex, nothing. Very odd. I'm really surprised there hasn't been more data leaked about this project.

[Lord Dalek]

Back on topic, I've not heard much noise about this project after this initial debut. No press releases from CN USA, no noise out of Toei or Aniplex, nothing. Very odd. I'm really surprised there hasn't been more data leaked about this project.Maybe they're keeping it a secret for next years upfront?

[Karl Olson]

Maybe they're keeping it a secret for next years upfront?

No, I don't think they are going to wait a year for something they've clearly got all the staff lined up on. It's gonna debut somewhere with year, I can just feel it. I just hope they've got the sense to simulateously debut it. If it debuts in America or Japan first, it'll be bootlegged much more than it would be otherwise.

[ChibiGoku]

There's always the chance it could be Japan only. *shrug*
Then again, it's more popular in japan.

Anyways, the only thing I've seen was a press release by Toei. So, yah.

[Karl Olson]

There's always the chance it could be Japan only. *shrug*
Then again, it's more popular in japan.

Anyways, the only thing I've seen was a press release by Toei. So, yah.

Yeah, but if it were Japan-only, why bother to have Sam Register involved? Only makes sense to have an American on the project in the Executive Producing role if it's going to come over to the states. As such, I've got to wonder what's happening. Besides, even Toei's been quiet about it after that point, and you'd think they'd have put up some kind of basic site or something for it now (as a lot of anime get websites to back them way before the show hits.) Almost makes me wonder if the feedback from this advance thing has got them thinking about retooling it :(

[ChibiGoku]

Actually, it's possible that he may be just over looking the project. Not to mention, funding. A Similar situation HAS happened to the transformers series. (Headmasters and Micron Legend, Though Micron Legend came out in the US...)

[Maryna]

They look great. I hope it'll show up in Canada.

[Glenn Leider]

Pardon me for resurrecting an old thread, but has PpG Z had its Japan premiere yet? According to Wikipedia.org, it was scheduled to debut in June, with a dubbed version on CN US in November.

[Karl Olson]

Unfortunately, there has been no news of an official start date in either country. Further still, if PPGZ had aired just one episode in Japan, I'm sure the net would be litered with screencaps with in a day, so my bet that even if Wiki's right (and it could be very very wrong,) it's not aired yet.

[DemonBoy]

If it debuted in Japan first, do you think that a certain website will have a raw copy of that episode up for Download, much like other popular shows in Japan. I'm just saying it seem something a raw provider might do.

[ChibiGoku]

If it debuted in Japan first, do you think that a certain website will have a raw copy of that episode up for Download, much like other popular shows in Japan. I'm just saying it seem something a raw provider might do.
In terms of a website offering download. It's possible. Usually, it depends. Sonic X raw for episode 52 appeared 40 minutes after it aired. Then again, that was a LQ raw.

For Demashita. It can take anywhere from a RAW MPEG/AVI capture, which means a minutes after it airs, to up to several weeks.

[Karl Olson]

Actually, it's such an anticipated show, I would have expect raws and screencaps to already been out. Heck, some fansub group with no ethics would have subbed it.

As such though, I doubt that it'll air in Japan first. My bets on a near simulcast (atleast with in the same day,) or it airing in America first, then Japan. They aren't going to give the subbers and raw providers a chance in the states.

[MegaJ]

Why does it end with Z? Because Z's cool?

[Karl Olson]

Why does it end with Z? Because Z's cool?


Basically. Also, there is no way they'd just call it Powerpuff Girls. They want to really draw a line in the sand between this and the original series. Since they aren't likely to bother with something as drawn out as PPG: The Second Stage or PPG: Stand Alone Complex, they go with PPGZ. Gives them the separation they want while having the animish edge they they want (Gundam Zeta, Dragonball Z, Mazinger Z, etc.)

[Natey]

Why does it end with Z? Because Z's cool?
and X........ i would pefer X. plus the couldn't name it PowerPuffGirls cause it is already a cartoon

~Nate~

[Agent S7]

I think I am going to die.

http://www.toonygal.com/ppg/
:crying:

[Conan-san]

Ah well, It's being driected by the same dude who did Digimon 01 and being Designed by the person who did Sailor Moon. I'm just happy about that.

[Leviathan]

Wow, This Looks like this will be the best thing to come out of Japan since One Piece... I like the designs

[Dudley]

Well, if anything this will revive the PPG franchise. I just saw some new episodes and they were pretty crappy.

[Agent S7]

Sorry about that, the whole Professor design just really, really ticked me off.
:sad: But, since it is pretty much a different character (along with all of the other PPGs), I guess I can forgive them.
Well, at least :blossom: , :bubbles: and :bcup: are back! (I've always wanted a PPG anime, oddly enough, even before I saw Bleedman's art. I guess I've got my wish...:p )
Actually, this could be pretty cool. For some reason I'm just worried about the Professor, who has...or had...one of the best characters in the original series. I'm gonna miss that origin from the movie...:sweat:

[Karl Olson]

Well, if anything this will revive the PPG franchise. I just saw some new episodes and they were pretty crappy.

Episodes of the new series or late episodes of the old series?

[Jave]

Episodes of the new series or late episodes of the old series?I'm pretty sure he means the latter. There's no way you can watch an episode of PPGZ without breaking (very badly) the law.

[Dark Fact]

Since TOEI is part of the production, I'm kind of worried how the American distro will be handled. :sad:

[Duke]

Since TOEI is part of the production, I'm kind of worried how the American distro will be handled. :sad:I very much doubt CN would be idiotic enough to let Toei run rampant in the US. Most likely, distrubution over here will be handled by Warner Home Video.

[Wanted]

That's what I said about IGPX. Look what happened to it. I'd rather have DVDs from WHV than Bandai. WHV's consistent, and Bandai really differs from case to case. Plus, Bandai's expensive. And, WHV's switching to Amarays. That can only be good.

[ChibiGoku]

Again. I want to say the following.

Until CartoonNetwork of America or Toei says it will air on CN here, it is considered unliscenced. Chance though, CN will have easy rights to the animation.

Again, all we have is Toei making a statement. Nothing from Cartoonetwork of America.

EDIT: I mean, look what happened to the PaRappa anime. Rodney Alan Greenblat is going to try to fight the rights to the anime. Though, he has a feeling he may not be able to.

Just because someone from one compony was involved, does not mean it's automatically liscenced. As Rodney mentioned, the production was completely apart from Sony/Aniplex, except with the DVD releases in japan.

[Kino]

Okay guys, let's take a deep breath, step back, and look at the larger picture here. This show hasn't even aired in Japan yet, and already we're saying how much we adore and/or hate it. The thing is, this sort of buzz is exactly what both franchises need. Those who dislike the anime will clamor for the DVD release of the entire original series, and CN will be more than happy to oblige. Those who like the anime, will receive the anime. All of us can have our cake and eat it, too. As for my opinion? I think we need to wait and see before we judge the anime, but I'm hoping that it will be a cool homage/parody of the original. If it's good, it'll have a place in my heart right alongside the original series.

[Karl Olson]

Yeah, it's certainly not licenced by CN America, that's why Sam Register's name is on the show as an executive producer...


...Oh wait, that means that it's been an CN America/Toei/Animax co-pro from the start. CN probably just doesn't want to talk about it until they've know what they want to do with series (IE: block/time/launch date/debut where first.) They might also be looking for another hook up with Bandai America on this (more money, better animation, better distro.) They might not want another HHPAY where it's announced in 2002-3 but doesn't show up until late 2004. Seriously, you're kidding yourself if you think CN America doesn't have a stake in this to protect. PPGZ exists at CN America's behest, namely Sam Register's behest because he's the exec on it. It's not if, it's when and how.

[Duke]

CN probably just doesn't want to talk about it until they've know what they want to do with series (IE: block/time/launch date/debut where first.) Where would it air? Fridays has been CN Original's Premiere block (except for Megas and the DC shows), but the PPG also found a second home on Toonami (and it is an action show at its heart). Then again, Miguzi could possibly be a third option.

[Jave]

UNCUT ON ADULT SWIM!!! :eek::p:D:sweat:

[Karl Olson]

Depending on how it's done, it could end up anywhere from Tickle U to Toonami. The promo clips are clean enough yet actiony enough that PPGZ seems equidistant for all blocks. Now, my hunch is Fridays because it's roots are in a CN original, but it could fit on Toonami or Miguzi without issue, and if it's clean enough in the long term, maybe even Tickle U (though personally I'd rather see this reinvention have some teeth on it as it moves forward. Darker is better.)

[ChibiGoku]

Yeah, it's certainly not licenced by CN America, that's why Sam Register's name is on the show as an executive producer...


...Oh wait, that means that it's been an CN America/Toei/Animax co-pro from the start.
Oh...that means PaRappa the Rapper would of been lsicenced ages ago because...RODNEY ALAN GREENBLAT OWNS THE CHARACTER LISCENCING? Eh wrong. Not that simple. Just because someone's name may be there, doesn't mean a damn thing.

[Gokou Ruri]

Plus, we should have gotton all the Beast Wars sequels ages ago.

[Karl Olson]

Oh...that means PaRappa the Rapper would of been lsicenced ages ago because...RODNEY ALAN GREENBLAT OWNS THE CHARACTER LISCENCING? Eh wrong. Not that simple. Just because someone's name may be there, doesn't mean a damn thing.

Ok, do you what Executive Producer means? Basically it means "money guy reprasentive." He is CN America's money guy in relation to PPGZ. Besides, nothing fits Register's better M.O. than a Japanese adaption of an American property that's readily merchandisable. This is exactly the kind of project he'd back. Now, if it were just Craig's name on it, I might side with you, but you don't have a CN exec's name on it unless CN America money is going into it, and since CN America's cash is involved, then it is theirs in the US.

[TurtleTitan]

I'm thinking it would go on Sunday nights with the girl-starred premieres with Juniper Lee, Totally Spies, and Atomic Betty.

[Wanted]

Please, refer to "Cartoon Network" in America as "Cartoon Network." It's a simple way to keep things... simpler. No need to put a tag on the original. That's what you do with the copies. UK, Europe, Japan, India, Australia, Latin America... just not America. After all, if Cartoon Network (in America) wanted you to refer to it as such, they'd call themselves "Cartoon Network America" on their website, as well as on other places.

Okay, now that that's done, we should do exactly what Kino said. Just in case you missed it, here it is, in its entirety:

This show hasn't even aired in Japan yet, and already we're saying how much we adore and/or hate it. The thing is, this sort of buzz is exactly what both franchises need. Those who dislike the anime will clamor for the DVD release of the entire original series, and CN will be more than happy to oblige. Those who like the anime, will receive the anime. All of us can have our cake and eat it, too.So, START BUZZING!

[Karl Olson]

Okay guys, let's take a deep breath, step back, and look at the larger picture here. This show hasn't even aired in Japan yet, and already we're saying how much we adore and/or hate it. The thing is, this sort of buzz is exactly what both franchises need. Those who dislike the anime will clamor for the DVD release of the entire original series, and CN will be more than happy to oblige. Those who like the anime, will receive the anime. All of us can have our cake and eat it, too. As for my opinion? I think we need to wait and see before we judge the anime, but I'm hoping that it will be a cool homage/parody of the original. If it's good, it'll have a place in my heart right alongside the original series.

The part that worries me is the involvement of Sam Register. Theoretically, the raw distance between him and the production should force him to let the staff (which seems pretty qualified, though I'd like to see certain people turn up to write and/or direct and/or board some episodes just back it up,) have at it. However, if he manages to "imprint" it like he did with Megas and HHPAY, it could end up more exposition than awesome (in other words, lovely production values with no punch.) Sam is at his best when he lets creators just go for it, like on Teen Titans, so hopefully he lets up here so Japanese staff can make a cute, action-packed spectacular with a good (but not overexplained) story.

However, it definitely atleast *looks* cute, so atleast the merchandise and should be good. I'd love to see the Japanese come out with Trading/Coin Figures for it, preferably through Kotobukiya or Yamato. Wallscrolls would also be a must. An art book might be cool too.

[Kino]

The part that worries me is the involvement of Sam Register. Theoretically, the raw distance between him and the production should force him to let the staff (which seems pretty qualified, though I'd like to see certain people turn up to write and/or direct and/or board some episodes just back it up,) have at it. However, if he manages to "imprint" it like he did with Megas and HHPAY, it could end up more exposition than awesome (in other words, lovely production values with no punch.)
Ugh, I see what you mean. A "Powerpuffy Amiyumi" style dub would strike me as somewhat lackluster, to say the least. Still, I hope this property, while it's being dubbed, is treated with the same level of care as, say, the second season of Big O.

[Karl Olson]

Ugh, I see what you mean. A "Powerpuffy Amiyumi" style dub would strike me as somewhat lackluster, to say the least. Still, I hope this property, while it's being dubbed, is treated with the same level of care as, say, the second season of Big O.

Oh yeah, I'd love it if CN could just get the original VAs involved where applicable (the voices of the PPG themselves could probably stay, but we'd need new professor for example,) but then leave the actual translation, ADR and the rest to AniMaze, Studiopolis or New Generation (any good LA studio basically.) Basically, just let the people who know what they are doing do what they have to.

[Wanted]

I don't see all of the same voice actors coming back, as you said. If you'll recall, Cartoon Network nearly replaced all of the original cast in 2002, because pay was getting a little over the top. And, then, they proved that you can have a good cast, but a bad show.

The voice actors I'd like to see return are the three Powerpuff voices, Roger L. Jackson, and Tom Kenny (he can always make his voice a little bit deeper for the role of "Mayor").

After all, you can't have a reinvention if all of the voices are the same. But, if Cartoon Network can afford it, I'd like to see it.

[DJ PopTart]

Y'know, I had a thought..
What about making the new Proffesor Dexter in the english dub?
He certainly looks enough like him, and I Kinda like the idea..
I mean, if Dexter thought DeDe was bad, what about three of them? ^_^

[Wanted]

How about not. Those crossovers can make or break a series. And, I'd rather not see Dexter reimagined.

EDIT - And, the crossover you're talking about would be permanent, thus setting the series up for serious failure. And, the only reason you said the new Professor (one f, two s) looked like Dexter was because he was short. I see no resemblance. Personally, I couldn't hate the new Professor's design more.

Well, I could, but what fun would that be?

[Gary L Thompson]

I'm thinking it would go on Sunday nights with the girl-starred premieres with Juniper Lee, Totally Spies, and Atomic Betty.
That does make a lot of sense.

[Karl Olson]

That does make a lot of sense.


It would give them two hours of girl power. However, it'd then make the DC repeats in the 10pm slot seem weird. Running the girl power block through to eleven *cough*TVPGKodocha&FruitsBasket*cough* would give them a fuller programming block.

[Duke]

The Toonami fanboy in me wants it at the 7.5PM slot...

[Karl Olson]

The Toonami fanboy in me wants it at the 7.5PM slot...


You know, we could always end up with Krypto situation where it ends up flogged all over the network. I'd hate that though unless the series was fantastic, because I'm not a fan of that kind of scheduling, and it doesn't seem to be a healthy way to run a network.

[Wanted]

I'm thinking it would go on Sunday nights with the girl-starred premieres with Juniper Lee, Totally Spies, and Atomic Betty.MY idea!


It would give them two hours of girl power. However, it'd then make the DC repeats in the 10pm slot seem weird. Running the girl power block through to eleven *cough*TVPGKodocha&FruitsBasket*cough* would give them a fuller programming block.Seriously, who wasn't thinking it would go there? It's the best place for the show. But, Karl, is Cartoon Network crazy about tossing the PG logo wherever it can outside of Adult Swim? I've not seen it too much, so they'd probably not be fans of the idea to string a block that jumps from Y7 to PG in such a leap without much of an explanation.

But, I'm certain that Cartoon Network isn't bothered by the weird schedule transition that 9pm presents... are we in the same time zone?

[Karl Olson]

MY idea!

Seriously, who wasn't thinking it would go there? It's the best place for the show. But, Karl, is Cartoon Network crazy about tossing the PG logo wherever it can outside of Adult Swim? I've not seen it too much, so they'd probably not be fans of the idea to string a block that jumps from Y7 to PG in such a leap without much of an explanation.

But, I'm certain that Cartoon Network isn't bothered by the weird schedule transition that 9pm presents... are we in the same time zone?

I'm in Pacific, and yeah, CN doesn't seem to care about the current split from girl power to DC, but it strikes me as wasted space nonetheless. Like "we don't what else to program here, so he just stuck reruns in." 8-11 as a straight girl power block would be a more effective use of space, and the material is there to do it, banging down the door, screaming to be let in.

Meanwhile, CN has been throwing PG around the network more and more, they've been doing so for years through the movies they've gotten, and they are looking ready to do it with the TV shows, atleast if DBZ uncut is any indicator (further experiments with that probably hinge on it's ratings.) They will be running PG in Toonami eventually if everything pans out (though not with the shows some imagined I guess) and if, and that's the biggest if to date but CN seems to be in the habit pushing things farther, they've got the vision to set up that time as a girl power block at all, the easiest most ready made aquisitions are Fruits Basket and Kodocha as far as pushing it out to 3 hours. Maybe Stellvia if they want to try girl power mecha. All those shows would probably get PG, but that door is opening, so almost fool hardy to rule them out.

To put it another way, we've got a network that bought Evangelion after kicking the idea around for years. Anything is possible, and I'm looking at possibilities.

[Gary L Thompson]

Well, frankly I would have preferred the network pick up that great contemporary of "Evangelion", "Escaflowne", which I think was a better show (also the source of painful memories for fans, when Fox Kids grabbed it from Toonami and proceeded to butcher it). And by the way, I think it could fill the late hours of a girl-power block as well, as "Escaflowne" is a unique mix of both shonen and shojo.

I rather tend to believe you're right that CN would be better off extending its girl power block across the entire evening. I must say "Fruits Basket", "Kodocha" and "Stellvia" are all shows I would like to watch. However....if CN would like both action and an anime like "Kodacha", I have another suggestion of my own. On Adult Swim VOD, it is already running "Jubei-Chan the Ninja Girl" (done by the same animators who did "Kodacha"). Why couldn't CN acquire the sequel as well, "Jubei 2", as well as picking up another comical gender-bending twist on a historical martial artist name, "Carried By the Wind?" (not related to "Jubei-Chan", but by the same creator). Combining the three shows together, you would have 39 episodes altogether, more than enough to hold down a weekly spot on Sunday nights.

[Wanted]

Well, frankly I would have preferred the network pick up that great contemporary of "Evangelion", "Escaflowne", which I think was a better show (also the source of painful memories for fans, when Fox Kids grabbed it from Toonami and proceeded to butcher it). And by the way, I think it could fill the late hours of a girl-power block as well, as "Escaflowne" is a unique mix of both shonen and shojo.

I rather tend to believe you're right that CN would be better off extending its girl power block across the entire evening. I must say "Fruits Basket", "Kodocha" and "Stellvia" are all shows I would like to watch. However....if CN would like both action and an anime like "Kodacha", I have another suggestion of my own. On Adult Swim VOD, it is already running "Jubei-Chan the Ninja Girl" (done by the same animators who did "Kodacha"). Why couldn't CN acquire the sequel as well, "Jubei 2", as well as picking up another gender-bending twist on a familiar martial artist name, "Carried By the Wind?" (not related to Jubei, but by the same creator). Combining the three shows together, you would have 39 episodes altogether, more than enough to hold down a weekly spot on Sunday nights.If I may input my opinion in this spot, please.

Personally, I don't think the block's going anywhere. It's not even a block at the current moment. And, if anyone here thinks they are going to make a big leap from domestic girls' action shows to anime, I personally choose to disagree with you. That's just too big a leap. I'd expect them to at least make a move to comedy first. I exponentially don't think that an all girls' action block would ever work.

[Wanted]

I'm in Pacific, and yeah, CN doesn't seem to care about the current split from girl power to DC, but it strikes me as wasted space nonetheless. Like "we don't what else to program here, so he just stuck reruns in." 8-11 as a straight girl power block would be a more effective use of space, and the material is there to do it, banging down the door, screaming to be let in.Maybe Cartoon Network would rather put their trust in proven repeats than something experimental. This block may be an experiment, but I don't see it moving much farther out there. Right now, it's from 7:30PM to 9:00PM. The most I see it moving is to 7:00PM to make room for Electric Girl. After all, I'm sure that more guys stay up late than girls, and the only people endorsing this idea have been the guys. Until I see a girl endorse this idea, I'll stick with my ideas.


Meanwhile, CN has been throwing PG around the network more and more, they've been doing so for years through the movies they've gotten, and they are looking ready to do it with the TV shows, atleast if DBZ uncut is any indicator (further experiments with that probably hinge on it's ratings.) They will be running PG in Toonami eventually if everything pans out (though not with the shows some imagined I guess) and if, and that's the biggest if to date but CN seems to be in the habit pushing things farther, they've got the vision to set up that time as a girl power block at all, the easiest most ready made aquisitions are Fruits Basket and Kodocha as far as pushing it out to 3 hours. Maybe Stellvia if they want to try girl power mecha. All those shows would probably get PG, but that door is opening, so almost fool hardy to rule them out.Personally, I don't think they have the vision. It might be me, but I think they're trying to stay on the safe side.


To put it another way, we've got a network that bought Evangelion after kicking the idea around for years. Anything is possible, and I'm looking at possibilities.After what Cartoon Network's been doing lately, I'm tired of looking at possibilities. It's almost like the two phrases shouldn't be placed together in sentence form. That's just until I see something actually go down at the network.

[NinjaJack]

any updates?

[Dudley]

I don't know if people mentioned this already but you can see clips of PPGZ here (http://ppgcom.gooside.com/ppgz/ppgz_attack.html), and here (http://ppgcom.gooside.com/ppgz/ppgz_transformation.html), which was shown at the Tokyo Anime Fair in April.

The second one I recall seeing.

[Funkatron]

I don't know if people mentioned this already but you can see clips of PPGZ here (http://ppgcom.gooside.com/ppgz/ppgz_attack.html), and here (http://ppgcom.gooside.com/ppgz/ppgz_transformation.html), which was shown at the Tokyo Anime Fair in April.

The second one I recall seeing.
They've been seen already, but not sure if thier allowed on the board.

[Swonker]

any updates? According to this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demashita%21_Powerpuff_Girls_Z) on Wikipedia, It has already begun airing in Japan and will begin airing in the US in November. No news on the UK.

[Conan-san]

No news on the UK. Of course.

[Duke]

According to this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demashita%21_Powerpuff_Girls_Z) on Wikipedia, the show has already begun airing in Japan and will start airing in North America in November. No news on the UK.If it had already aired, we would've likely heard something by now, and there would be at least one fansub going around.

[ChibiGoku]

If it had already aired, we would've likely heard something by now, and there would be at least one fansub going around.
Yep.

[Dudley]

[QUOTE=Swonker]According to this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demashita%21_Powerpuff_Girls_Z) on Wikipedia, the show has already begun airing in Japan QUOTE]

No, it hasn't.

[Glenn Leider]

The Wikipedia page has been updated, and the June date no longer appears.

Is it possible that the series could air in both the US and Japan simultaneously (or almost so)?

[Karl Olson]

If the Japanese and US versions are not aired with in week of each other, they'll have a hard time keeping piracy of the episodes down. Even a 24 hour window is enough for a hard-subbed translation (for either direction I'd imagine) to be kicked up online, so if anything, they'll have to come as close as possible to simulcasting the debut. They'll have to follow up with DVDs that come out at a matched pace too. So yeah, I'd say it's a safe bet that PPGZ will debut in America and Japan with in the same week max.

[ChibiGoku]

If the Japanese and US versions are not aired with in week of each other, they'll have a hard time keeping piracy of the episodes down. Even a 24 hour window is enough for a hard-subbed translation (for either direction I'd imagine) to be kicked up online, so if anything, they'll have to come as close as possible to simulcasting the debut. They'll have to follow up with DVDs that come out at a matched pace too. So yeah, I'd say it's a safe bet that PPGZ will debut in America and Japan with in the same week max.
True. Somehow, I doubt it. Speaking of which, will CN be handeling the dub themselves?

[Karl Olson]

True. Somehow, I doubt it. Speaking of which, will CN be handeling the dub themselves?


Somehow I doubt Sam Register is going to get it much further than arms reach since this is his pet project, but I really don't know. CN may not want to have to deal with the setup involved of creating an ADR studio and getting the right directors and engineers for the process, and so therefore might contract it out while still keeping a close eye on it. This is a corporate project in the sense that it's not the brain-child of a creative, but an exec, and an exec who has said in no uncertain terms that he actively "imprints" his ideas on to projects, so it's likely CN will directly try to be involved in the dub somehow. I just don't see CN letting go on this much, for better or worse. I could be wrong though - this is just speculation based on observation.

[ChibiGoku]

I guess in a sense. Especially with all these projects that's he's apart off. (Anime wise). To be honest, I think CN may get Bandai to work with them on the dub. Judging with what they're going with on IGPX. Then again, it may be just because Bandai has close relations with Production IG. *shrug*.

In regards to PowerPuff Girls Z airing again. I have a feeling we may end up with a Armada/Micron Legend situation of some sort. Probably not, but you don't know how fast CN would want this series to hit the airwaves.

(Meaning, we'd get a screwed billingual release.)

[Karl Olson]

I guess in a sense. Especially with all these projects that's he's apart off. (Anime wise). To be honest, I think CN may get Bandai to work with them on the dub. Judging with what they're going with on IGPX. Then again, it may be just because Bandai has close relations with Production IG. *shrug*.

In regards to PowerPuff Girls Z airing again. I have a feeling we may end up with a Armada/Micron Legend situation of some sort. Probably not, but you don't know how fast CN would want this series to hit the airwaves.

(Meaning, we'd get a screwed billingual release.)

Worse still, we could get half-finished animation with no polish or error checking.

[ChibiGoku]

Worse still, we could get half-finished animation with no polish or error checking.
*shudders*

Oh and, I did a quick search on Yahoo JP Auctions, in hope somehow a script of some sort got leaked. *sighs* Nothing.

[Robbercup]

When I first heard of this, it really surprised me. Not sure what to think for the moment... It could be good, but after seeing the videos, I felt it will be too Sailor Moon-ish for my tastes. We'll see... I think I'll give it a chance or two at least.

[bedbugjones]

they look kinda hot:p


but i dont watch power puff girls becuse thir hot:mad:

[Wanted]

Mixed emotions? 'Cause I have no idea what you're getting at.
When I first heard of this, it really surprised me. Not sure what to think for the moment... It could be good, but after seeing the videos, I felt it will be too Sailor Moon-ish for my tastes. We'll see... I think I'll give it a chance or two at least.It's not Sailor Moon, and there will never be another. Personally, I can't stand when people compare shows to Sailor Moon without stating their reasons.

I can't see how it looks like Sailor Moon... just because it has the elements of any girl show nowadays - transformation, attack names, and all of that. That doesn't make it Sailor Moon. Sorry, but I just had to nip that in the bud.

By the way, did this thread make the record for "Most Times Revived" yet?

[Karl Olson]

Who knowd whether it's made the record.

One thing I do think that PPGZ will have going for it once it really starts getting for it is all the Ojamajo Doremi alumni on it. That staff already has a certain respect for more western style humor given some of the more Looney Tunes-esque gags in Doremi, but they also really know how to punch in with some good character development as well, particularly in the case of current Ojamajo Doremi OVA (which I suggest everyone seeks out while they can, as I'm sure the success of the TV series will embolden 4kids to pick up every last piece of Doremi if they can swing it.) Basically, I'm feeling fairly comfortable now with the Japanese side of the production. As long as Sam basically hands off the dub production to one of the union LA studios (and maybe get some of the appropriate alumni from the original series to come back,) then I think that it could be a damn good show.

It would by no means be PPG, but it'd be it's own kind of excellence.

Now what we need is a date. However, I'd bet with a bunch of Doremi's staff currently busting their butts on the OVA, they won't be able to start production until late October/early November at the earliest. Given the rest of the usual timeline for these things, this probably means that the soonest it'll debut will be spring 2006. I suppose it might be a clearer around about the time CN does the 2006 upfront, but I really would like to see it get off the ground quickly (Winter 2006 max,) because projects that Sam sits on in development tend to end up questionable at best (like HHPAY.)

[ChibiGoku]

Karl Olson. I thought the Ojamajo Doremi OVA was finished. It DID (oddly enough) air on TV before the DVD release.

[Karl Olson]

Karl Olson. I thought the Ojamajo Doremi OVA was finished. It DID (oddly enough) air on TV before the DVD release.

The new one. Ojamajo Doremi Naisho.

[Robbercup]

It's not Sailor Moon, and there will never be another. Personally, I can't stand when people compare shows to Sailor Moon without stating their reasons.

I can't see how it looks like Sailor Moon... just because it has the elements of any girl show nowadays - transformation, attack names, and all of that. That doesn't make it Sailor Moon. Sorry, but I just had to nip that in the bud.Oookayyy, sorry. Just substitute in my post "Sailor Moon-ish" with "transformation, attack names, and all of that-ish" (that kind of things hardly ever work for me, but I'm ready, as I was with a lot of others, to try to like this show!). I never said it will be exactly as Sailor Moon (which I know it won't), and of course I can't state reasons... I haven't seen an episode yet! All my "reasons" could be walking in wrong directions! It was just a feeling one of the short videos gave me... so I could be completely wrong (and I'd be glad to be wrong).

Have a nice day!

[New Noise]

They should've done a Dexter's lab anime or a Johnny Bravo anime.
LOL! That would be so funny!

[ChibiGoku]

The new one. Ojamajo Doremi Naisho.
. . . . That's been finished.

[Karl Olson]

. . . . That's been finished.

Oh, thought it was currently in production. Well, opens up the time line a bit, but I'm still thinking that we aren't going to be seeing it for a while (as it's not like Toei's plate is perfectly clear either.) Hopefully not so far out that it completely loses and steam and spark though.

[ChibiGoku]

Oh, thought it was currently in production. Well, opens up the time line a bit, but I'm still thinking that we aren't going to be seeing it for a while (as it's not like Toei's plate is perfectly clear either.) Hopefully not so far out that it completely loses and steam and spark though.
I still wonder, though.

Still, I wonder how this series will be executed, in story wise. I know the designs are very close to Ojamajo Doremi (that due to one of the staff members working on this), but I do happen to wonder. If the episodes will be story by story series, or it'll be each episode has nothing related before it.

Again, you may be right there isn't much production started on the anime. Usually we'd probably see a few design sheets floating around. Something similar happened with Sonic X. Though, i'd rather not get into that property.

[Karl Olson]

I still wonder, though.

Still, I wonder how this series will be executed, in story wise. I know the designs are very close to Ojamajo Doremi (that due to one of the staff members working on this), but I do happen to wonder. If the episodes will be story by story series, or it'll be each episode has nothing related before it.

Well, continuity would really help separate it from the original series, as would some more pensive character moments, but I'm not sure whether they will be allowed to do that or even interested. They may just want to do a more American-style pace where it's basically episodic with very light continuity if any.

[Wanted]

8-11 as a straight girl power block would be a more effective use of space, and the material is there to do it, banging down the door, screaming to be let in.I guess it's safe to say that my assumptions were correct. Atomic Betty's now off Sundays, which means now it's just Juniper Lee and Totally Spies!, with absolutely no room for improvement this year, unless they make an acquisition out of the blue.

Which I doubt, because by this time next year, we'll probably be seeing Powerpuff Girls Z and Electric Girl joining this block. And, I won't say that it's impossible now for Winx to join.

[Conan-san]

Well, continuity would really help separate it from the original series, as would some more pensive character moments, but I'm not sure whether they will be allowed to do that or even interested. They may just want to do a more American-style pace where it's basically episodic with very light continuity if any. I, myself would like it to be a hot blooded shojo anime.

You heard right.

Totaly works with the background.

[Karl Olson]

I, myself would like it to be a hot blooded shojo anime.

You heard right.

Totaly works with the background.

Eh, if the designs were a bit more angular, and the backgrounds were more modern, I could see it being hot blooded, but I think the most we're gonna get is an amped up Doremi (in as much as the PPG are very "hands-on" with their fighting and seems to have been maintained in the anime what with Buttercup slamming that ultra baka hammer around.) Granted, seeing cute girls pummel Mojo Jojo with a huge weapons should still be a blast, but I doubt it'll be, as PPG put it best "HARDCORE." It'd be cool if they made it work some how though.


I guess it's safe to say that my assumptions were correct. Atomic Betty's now off Sundays, which means now it's just Juniper Lee and Totally Spies!, with absolutely no room for improvement this year, unless they make an acquisition out of the blue.

Which is unlikely. CN does babysteps when it comes to probing where they should head, now more so than ever. Earliest we'd probably see an announcement of any pick up would be the upfront in 2006, and realistically speaking, I've got a bad feeling all they'd announce is Mew Mew and Doremi. You know, shoujo that's had it's legs broken.

Like I've said before, CN lacks vision these days. Anyone with vision would take a look the consistant sales of Fruits Basket in all it's forms (DVDs, merch, manga,) and atleast see if they could get it in for a run or two in 2am friday slot. CN's too busy playing demographics to care that maybe a known audience is a better bet. Not like they'd have to do any work on it these days, atleast given what DBZ has let slide now.


Which I doubt, because by this time next year, we'll probably be seeing Powerpuff Girls Z and Electric Girl joining this block. And, I won't say that it's impossible now for Winx to join.

Oh, with currently existing properties they either already have or could have for a song, they could program the whole evening now. That's a given. Between themselves and 4kids (who they seem to become more and more comfortable with,) they could do it no problem. Whether that block would be worth watching is another issue all together.

[rmarti3926]

Which I doubt, because by this time next year, we'll probably be seeing Powerpuff Girls Z and Electric Girl joining this block. And, I won't say that it's impossible now for Winx to join.
Electric Girl? Never heard of it. :confused:

[Gary L Thompson]

Who knowd whether it's made the record.

One thing I do think that PPGZ will have going for it once it really starts getting for it is all the Ojamajo Doremi alumni on it. That staff already has a certain respect for more western style humor given some of the more Looney Tunes-esque gags in Doremi, but they also really know how to punch in with some good character development as well, particularly in the case of current Ojamajo Doremi OVA (which I suggest everyone seeks out while they can, as I'm sure the success of the TV series will embolden 4kids to pick up every last piece of Doremi if they can swing it.) Basically, I'm feeling fairly comfortable now with the Japanese side of the production. As long as Sam basically hands off the dub production to one of the union LA studios (and maybe get some of the appropriate alumni from the original series to come back,) then I think that it could be a damn good show.

It would by no means be PPG, but it'd be it's own kind of excellence.

Now what we need is a date. However, I'd bet with a bunch of Doremi's staff currently busting their butts on the OVA, they won't be able to start production until late October/early November at the earliest. Given the rest of the usual timeline for these things, this probably means that the soonest it'll debut will be spring 2006. I suppose it might be a clearer around about the time CN does the 2006 upfront, but I really would like to see it get off the ground quickly (Winter 2006 max,) because projects that Sam sits on in development tend to end up questionable at best (like HHPAY.)
Which is unlikely. CN does babysteps when it comes to probing where they should head, now more so than ever. Earliest we'd probably see an announcement of any pick up would be the upfront in 2006, and realistically speaking, I've got a bad feeling all they'd announce is Mew Mew and Doremi. You know, shoujo that's had it's legs broken.

Like I've said before, CN lacks vision these days. Anyone with vision would take a look the consistant sales of Fruits Basket in all it's forms (DVDs, merch, manga,) and atleast see if they could get it in for a run or two in 2am friday slot. CN's too busy playing demographics to care that maybe a known audience is a better bet. Not like they'd have to do any work on it these days, atleast given what DBZ has let slide now.Well, I rather hope that "Doremi" proves successful. Though, the track record of shoujo "that's had it's legs broken", as you so picturesquely put it, hasn't had that great a track record of success. I just hope that 4Kids for once has the sense not to mess up a good thing.

Of course, the advantage PPGZ will have over OD is that the creative staff's vision will come through to American viewers relatively unscathed, presumably. (One irony strikes me is that if PPGZ makes their show pretty much a carbon copy of "Ojamajo Doremi", but the original gets so hacked by 4Kids as to be unrecognizable, 4Kids is really going to look bad if PPGZ becomes a monster hit but their own show bombs. It's been known to happen before. "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" proved to be a failure after the movie studio twisted the story out of recognition--you'd think Ian Fleming's adaptibility into box office gold would have been proven to everybody by that time--while Disney essentially picked up Fleming's themes for one of its own movies and laughed all the way to the bank with "Love Bug", its final runaway hit until the Eisner era.)

I wouldn't disagree with you on "Fruits Basket". For that matter, I think CN could repeat its success with DBZ, "Sailor Moon", or "Totally Spies" if they would pick up "Monster Rancher" for Miguzi, which BKN is currently pushing in America again. MR was probably the best BKN show, and the best of the mon shows overall, but its appeal was quickly killed by some appalling handling by its networks. Just put all 73 shows in a good time slot and leave them alone, and I'm sure CN would do some good numbers.

[New Noise]

For that matter, I think CN could repeat its success with DBZ, "Sailor Moon", or "Totally Spies" if they would pick up "Monster Rancher" for Miguzi, which BKN is currently pushing in America again. MR was probably the best BKN show, and the best of the mon shows overall, but its appeal was quickly killed by some appalling handling by its networks. Just put all 73 shows in a good time slot and leave them alone, and I'm sure CN would do some good numbers.
That would be awesome! Monster Rancher on Miguzi - a dream come true!

[Karl Olson]

Well, I rather hope that "Doremi" proves successful. Though, the track record of shoujo "that's had it's legs broken", as you so picturesquely put it, hasn't had that great a track record of success. I just hope that 4Kids for once has the sense not to mess up a good thing.

It's already apparent from the preview they've taken out a lot of the original charm of the series. I think 4Kids has probably already messed it up as such. The thing is, is that every once and a while a messed up show works anyway, and the initial Doremi ratings suggest they may have finally lucked into another success inspite of damage dealt. Basically, it may very well take off, but at what cost?


Of course, the advantage PPGZ will have over OD is that the creative staff's vision will come through to American viewers relatively unscathed, presumably.

Big assumption though. I mean, it'd be dumb for CN to bank roll a show then mess with it, but I could see it happening. Sam Register just can't be blindly trusted. The actions he's taken at CN have made him worthy of serious scrutiny.


(One irony strikes me is that if PPGZ makes their show pretty much a carbon copy of "Ojamajo Doremi", but the original gets so hacked by 4Kids as to be unrecognizable, 4Kids is really going to look bad if PPGZ becomes a monster hit but their own show bombs. It's been known to happen before. "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" proved to be a failure after the movie studio twisted the story out of recognition--you'd think Ian Fleming's adaptibility into box office gold would have been proven to everybody by that time--while Disney essentially picked up Fleming's themes for one of its own movies and laughed all the way to the bank with "Love Bug", its final runaway hit until the Eisner era.)

Well, it's already apparent that PPGZ going to move like Doremi and likely have a Doremi-esque pace. It's just going to have the added punch that the PPG element brings - they are going to lay the smack down on monsters, not just chant some spells. However, it would be a blast if Doremi began to take off, only to be beat down and superceeded by PPGZ. I'd really like that if possible, and if it pans out like that, fine. It might get CN back on the path of just letting creators create, and it might be the first solid nail in 4Kids' coffin. Two birds with one stone would be fine with me.


I wouldn't disagree with you on "Fruits Basket". For that matter, I think CN could repeat its success with DBZ, "Sailor Moon", or "Totally Spies" if they would pick up "Monster Rancher" for Miguzi, which BKN is currently pushing in America again. MR was probably the best BKN show, and the best of the mon shows overall, but its appeal was quickly killed by some appalling handling by its networks. Just put all 73 shows in a good time slot and leave them alone, and I'm sure CN would do some good numbers.

But like I said, the problem is CN has almost no vision in their leadership. No motivation or gumption to take real, genuine risks; it's almost totally homogenized. In a sense, redoing the PPG as an anime is almost stingingly reflective of that. Rather than try and lead with some truely bold, unique new series, they are simply combining a past success with a current trend. If anything, that's a move I'd expect from 4Kids, not CN. However, with CN pushing this concept again and again and again that their shows are great for kids, for kids, for Kids, 4Kids... well, maybe that's the whole problem right there. They used to be about cartoons, not demographics. Oddly enough, that got them better ratings. Funny how that works.

[swarlock]

It looks OK. But I hope whoever did this got in touch with McCracken first.

Nothing like a lawsuit to discredit something.

[Karl Olson]

It looks OK. But I hope whoever did this got in touch with McCracken first.

Nothing like a lawsuit to discredit something.

Read the thread.

Please.

It was repeatedly stated that this is a Cartoon Network co-production.

[Wanted]

That would be awesome! Monster Rancher on Miguzi - a dream come true!That would be hell! Monster Rancher on Miguzi - a nightmare realized.

[swarlock]

Read the thread.

Please.

It was repeatedly stated that this is a Cartoon Network co-production.
I stand corrected.

[Conan-san]

That would be hell! Monster Rancher on Miguzi - a nightmare realized. "My steamroller don't like the looks of you..."

You Get-te and you Get-Te quickly pal.

Damnsite better than endless Totaly Spies.

[Gary L Thompson]

That would be awesome! Monster Rancher on Miguzi - a dream come true!
"My steamroller don't like the looks of you..."

You Get-te and you Get-Te quickly pal.

Damnsite better than endless Totaly Spies.Well, you might express your sentiments the way I and some others did (http://p079.ezboard.com/fmonsterrancher4520frm15.showMessage?topicID=211.topic).


Read the thread.

Please.

It was repeatedly stated that this is a Cartoon Network co-production.It would be very dumb for any CN co-production on the Power Puffs not to consult McCracken, to be sure. But as you said yourself, dumb moves by TV people is something we can easily see happening.


It's already apparent from the preview they've taken out a lot of the original charm of the series. I think 4Kids has probably already messed it up as such. The thing is, is that every once and a while a messed up show works anyway, and the initial Doremi ratings suggest they may have finally lucked into another success inspite of damage dealt. Basically, it may very well take off, but at what cost?Well, I agree with you on that, there have been anime series that have thrived on U.S. TV after extreme changes ("Robotech", "Voltron", "Samurai Pizza Cats", "Tranzor Z", just to name a few....). However, that approach has yet to work with any mahou shoujo series. I suspect it's because American cartoon producers understand comedy and action pretty well, and they have considerable ability in their own right to make them appeal to a TV audience. However, I don't think too many of them understand girls shows, while Japanese cartoon producers do. It's as simple as that.


But like I said, the problem is CN has almost no vision in their leadership. No motivation or gumption to take real, genuine risks; it's almost totally homogenized. In a sense, redoing the PPG as an anime is almost stingingly reflective of that. Rather than try and lead with some truely bold, unique new series, they are simply combining a past success with a current trend. If anything, that's a move I'd expect from 4Kids, not CN. However, with CN pushing this concept again and again and again that their shows are great for kids, for kids, for Kids, 4Kids... well, maybe that's the whole problem right there. They used to be about cartoons, not demographics. Oddly enough, that got them better ratings. Funny how that works. Funny indeed. However, I really don't see giving a genuine chance to a show victimized elsewhere as being much of a risk. "Robotech" and "Ronin Warriors" cetainly didn't really do any damage to CN by not being runaway hits, but DBZ, "Sailor Moon" and "Totally Spies" certainly contributed big-time to the bottom line. If CN's leadership is too blind to see the upside of playing the role of being the Oakland Raiders of TV cartoons occasionally....(if nothing else, they should be concerned with keeping BKN shows out of Jetix's hands, BKN has announced a show or two there already)

[Karl Olson]

It would be very dumb for any CN co-production on the Power Puffs not to consult McCracken, to be sure. But as you said yourself, dumb moves by TV people is something we can easily see happening.

Actually, by doing the show for CN, he gave up any right he had to the characters and any stamps of approval. They don't have to consult him on it at all. They probably did, and he probably said "whatever, fine, I'm done with it," or maybe even "oh, sure, that'll be cool" but they really don't have to (I doubt they did for PPGStyle.) Might not be a good way to keep him around, but since he's openly mentioned wanting to do stuff for AS and he's got another season atleast of Fosters to make, I doubt he'll leave any time soon even if they totally ticked him off by doing this, and I doubt they did. Everyone at CN seems to be a closet fan of Bleedman's work, so they are probably happy to see something like it be made for TV (I still think they should hire Bleedman on to create and write and original for CN. It'd probably be outstanding, and make them fat cash.)


Well, I agree with you on that, there have been anime series that have thrived on U.S. TV after extreme changes ("Robotech", "Voltron", "Samurai Pizza Cats", "Tranzor Z", just to name a few....). However, that approach has yet to work with any mahou shoujo series. I suspect it's because American cartoon producers understand comedy and action pretty well, and they have considerable ability in their own right to make them appeal to a TV audience. However, I don't think too many of them understand girls shows, while Japanese cartoon producers do. It's as simple as that.

Well, the Japanese have simply had a hell of a lot more women involved with the process almost since the inception of the modern industry, where as that variety was pretty much stamped out for a long while in the states, and even when it was done, it was done the most belittling, patronizing, almost sexist manner (My Little Pony, those crappy Barbie DTVs, and so on,) often because it was being made by guys who'd rather be making funny/actiony cartoons than patently commercial girl stuff. Those same patronizing attitudes often get passed on to the transcreation/localization of shoujo anime, replacing the well-written and balanced characters and relationship that made the original interesting and replaces them with either full out valley girl vapidness or forced girl power. Original Sakura from CCS was an average girl who had strengthes and dreams, weakness and worries; she was human, and therefore very accessible to the audience. Sakura from Cardcaptors was every annoying girl power stereotype they could cram in, and whatever was left over ended up in Meilin and Tomoyo. Shoujo works because it respects girls, and views them as human - not as perfect this or perfect that, but human. US localizers and even new series creators simply don't get that, and that's why they lose money every, single, last time they try to really monkey with a shoujo show.

Only girl series in the US that ever really got that straight was probably Powerpuff Girls because the cast on the whole didn't try to show one skewed vision of what a little girl or even of what women in general are supposed to be. They can be smart, they can be Tom-boyish, they can be girly, they can be afraid of the dark, they can be badass, they can even be evil, manipulative criminals, but the choice is there's to make alone - they aren't catchphrase automatons like the localized mahou shoujo series and most American girls' animation as well. Shoot, the episode with Liberty Bell was more honest about girls than any localization of a shoujo produced to date. In a sense, it's only fitting that PPG gets the anime treatment - it's a show that in it's raw basis speaks to girls better than the usual American girls' cartoon.

Meanwhile, in the current market, editing beyond what you need in the way to get past standard and practices seems to be a bad idea in general - shoujo or shonen. The viewership has grown since the era where rewritten shows are what worked for the most part. That's not to say that if you've got a good show, and you rewrite it, it might not still succeed even in the current market, but that's likely more an issue of kids latching on to the elements that remained even after rewrites. Pokemon thrived not stuff like turning riceballs into donuts and sandwiches, but on kids fighting silly villians with monsters. Wouldn't have mattered whether he was called Ash or Satoshi, that key battle element was still there, and that's what the kids gave a damn about. This ties into shoujo in as much as what people give a damn about that case is the character's relationships and personal issues, and when those are muted or removed entirely, you kill any reason to watch. The battles in shoujo series are almost minor issue compared to the character development. Why, the best episodes of most mahou shoujo IMO are often the ones where their powers almost don't even come into play. The CCS episode where Sakura visits her grandpa without even knowing it is just stunning. I mean, I got choked up and teary-eyed by the end of it, and she doesn't even capture one little card and she used her powers once. IIRC, that episode was totally removed from the US run. No wonder mahou shoujo hasn't worked - you're removing the reason people seek out in the first place.


Funny indeed. However, I really don't see giving a genuine chance to a show victimized elsewhere as being much of a risk. "Robotech" and "Ronin Warriors" cetainly didn't really do any damage to CN by not being runaway hits, but DBZ, "Sailor Moon" and "Totally Spies" certainly contributed big-time to the bottom line. If CN's leadership is too blind to see the upside of playing the role of being the Oakland Raiders of TV cartoons occasionally....(if nothing else, they should be concerned with keeping BKN shows out of Jetix's hands, BKN has announced a show or two there already)

Well, CN is banking that Disney wants to remain content producers, not content purchasers, and really, that's quite a safe bet. Disney doesn't want to borrow a property, they want it lock, stock and barrel. Nick is pretty much the same way (though I could see them getting into play syndication outlet,) so CN is in a pretty safe position. They are pretty much it these days when it comes to cable animation sub-licencing/syndication for children. As such, BKN's in a tough spot. They are already completely absent from a number of major markets where CN's present, so CN really has the upper hand. CN would probably like to be more of a producer than syndication outlet as well, as evidenced by projects like IGPX, Big O 2 and PPGZ, so even they aren't likely to be interested. With so much of the stuff becoming integrated under one roof, it gets hard for anyone who doesn't have a whole factory operation to function in the US. However, given that CN's bought more than a few shows cause they were cheap, I don't doubt that if BKN offers stuff up cheap, they'll take it. Like I said, they are about the bottom line these days, not quality.

[Wanted]

Well, CN is banking that Disney wants to remain content producers, not content purchasers, and really, that's quite a safe bet. Disney doesn't want to borrow a property, they want it lock, stock and barrel. Nick is pretty much the same way (though I could see them getting into play syndication outlet,) so CN is in a pretty safe position.Nick is getting into the syndication market. They've been working with Nelvana for years.


They are pretty much it these days when it comes to cable animation sub-licencing/syndication for children. As such, BKN's in a tough spot. They are already completely absent from a number of major markets where CN's present, so CN really has the upper hand. CN would probably like to be more of a producer than syndication outlet as well, as evidenced by projects like IGPX, Big O 2 and PPGZ, so even they aren't likely to be interested. With so much of the stuff becoming integrated under one roof, it gets hard for anyone who doesn't have a whole factory operation to function in the US. However, given that CN's bought more than a few shows cause they were cheap, I don't doubt that if BKN offers stuff up cheap, they'll take it. Like I said, they are about the bottom line these days, not quality.That's about true. They (being Cartoon Network) buy shows without thinking "who'll watch them." Instead, the acquirers think "How cheap is it?" Maybe, if Cartoon Network acquired what worked for them, as well as other networks, in the past, as well as what still works for them/other networks, and banked less on new ideas that may or may not fail (DICE, Atomic Betty, old shows from Kids' WB!), while making more shows under the supervision of their studios, they might have more of a chance to filter out a plan for success.

Speaking of what worked for them in the past, they should've gone after Martin Mystery, a Marathon show in the vein of Totally Spies!. They didn't, and now Nick has it, and the partnership with Marathon. You let it slip; how stupid, Cartoon Network!

Collaborating with an outside studio permanently and exclusively would also be an endeavor that could change the network for the better. Frederator worked for Nick, after all. Cartoon Network has Funimation Entertainment, but still needs another American/Canadian studio (it's Cartoon Network's chance, go for the gold!), and Moonscoop would work for Cartoon Network, also, if they could just churn out shows at a faster rate (the rate they're going right now with Code Lyoko just isn't going to cut it) and at a quality comparative to that of Code Lyoko.

[Crossdive]

when is this anime going to start releasing episodes in Japan? Or has it already?

[Wanted]

When it premieres, you'll know.

[Conan-san]

When it premieres, you'll know. I think it's lost with the Japanese dub of Sonic X2 :p

[ChibiGoku]

I think it's lost with the Japanese dub of Sonic X2 :p
You do know that Sonic X Episode 53+ WAS NOT dubbed in japanese. The show was always in japanese...

[Gary L Thompson]

Actually, by doing the show for CN, he gave up any right he had to the characters and any stamps of approval. They don't have to consult him on it at all. They probably did, and he probably said "whatever, fine, I'm done with it," or maybe even "oh, sure, that'll be cool" but they really don't have to (I doubt they did for PPGStyle.) Might not be a good way to keep him around, but since he's openly mentioned wanting to do stuff for AS and he's got another season atleast of Fosters to make, I doubt he'll leave any time soon even if they totally ticked him off by doing this, and I doubt they did. Everyone at CN seems to be a closet fan of Bleedman's work, so they are probably happy to see something like it be made for TV (I still think they should hire Bleedman on to create and write and original for CN. It'd probably be outstanding, and make them fat cash.).I wasn't meaning to imply they have to consult him. It just seems it would be a smart thing to do, since he obviously understands the characters, and has some acquaintance with anime.


Well, the Japanese have simply had a hell of a lot more women involved with the process almost since the inception of the modern industry, where as that variety was pretty much stamped out for a long while in the states, and even when it was done, it was done the most belittling, patronizing, almost sexist manner (My Little Pony, those crappy Barbie DTVs, and so on,) often because it was being made by guys who'd rather be making funny/actiony cartoons than patently commercial girl stuff. Those same patronizing attitudes often get passed on to the transcreation/localization of shoujo anime, replacing the well-written and balanced characters and relationship that made the original interesting and replaces them with either full out valley girl vapidness or forced girl power. Original Sakura from CCS was an average girl who had strengthes and dreams, weakness and worries; she was human, and therefore very accessible to the audience. Sakura from Cardcaptors was every annoying girl power stereotype they could cram in, and whatever was left over ended up in Meilin and Tomoyo. Shoujo works because it respects girls, and views them as human - not as perfect this or perfect that, but human. US localizers and even new series creators simply don't get that, and that's why they lose money every, single, last time they try to really monkey with a shoujo show.

Only girl series in the US that ever really got that straight was probably Powerpuff Girls because the cast on the whole didn't try to show one skewed vision of what a little girl or even of what women in general are supposed to be. They can be smart, they can be Tom-boyish, they can be girly, they can be afraid of the dark, they can be badass, they can even be evil, manipulative criminals, but the choice is there's to make alone - they aren't catchphrase automatons like the localized mahou shoujo series and most American girls' animation as well. Shoot, the episode with Liberty Bell was more honest about girls than any localization of a shoujo produced to date. In a sense, it's only fitting that PPG gets the anime treatment - it's a show that in it's raw basis speaks to girls better than the usual American girls' cartoon.

Meanwhile, in the current market, editing beyond what you need in the way to get past standard and practices seems to be a bad idea in general - shoujo or shonen. The viewership has grown since the era where rewritten shows are what worked for the most part. That's not to say that if you've got a good show, and you rewrite it, it might not still succeed even in the current market, but that's likely more an issue of kids latching on to the elements that remained even after rewrites. Pokemon thrived not stuff like turning riceballs into donuts and sandwiches, but on kids fighting silly villians with monsters. Wouldn't have mattered whether he was called Ash or Satoshi, that key battle element was still there, and that's what the kids gave a damn about. This ties into shoujo in as much as what people give a damn about that case is the character's relationships and personal issues, and when those are muted or removed entirely, you kill any reason to watch. The battles in shoujo series are almost minor issue compared to the character development. Why, the best episodes of most mahou shoujo IMO are often the ones where their powers almost don't even come into play. The CCS episode where Sakura visits her grandpa without even knowing it is just stunning. I mean, I got choked up and teary-eyed by the end of it, and she doesn't even capture one little card and she used her powers once. IIRC, that episode was totally removed from the US run. No wonder mahou shoujo hasn't worked - you're removing the reason people seek out in the first place..These words really ought to be bronzed into a plaque and hung in every TV producer's office....

I believe I remember an interview with McCracken, in which he specifically mentioned his team tried to get the Power Puffs involved with situations that would be of interest to a real-life girl. Apparently you feel he succeeded pretty well.

Your mention of "My Little Pony" touched a little sore point with me. I taped pretty much the entire series back when it first ran, hoping against hope that it would sometime live up to the potential I first saw in the toy commercials--and of course it never did. The ponies absolutely cried for scripting along the lines of Winnie the Pooh, Raggedy Ann and Andy, or "Wind in the Willows", which the first special obviously was just about far away from as you get. But at least the initial two TV specials had some verve and life, which is more than you can say for the TV series and movie. This is one old school series that could stand a remake, though chances of it ever being done right are probably about zilch.

I imagine that of all the American-grown cartoons, "Jem" might have come the closest to grasping what you're getting at. Those girls could get very human at times, particularly in the final season. Some examples that come to mind were the episodes revealing Jerrica and Kimber Benton respectively as a mama's girl and daddy's girl, and how losing their favored parent impacted them. The show even started finding some unsuspected dimensions to the Misfits toward the end--one of the show's more interesting episodes was when Kimber actually teamed up with one of the Misfits (which didn't really seem forced as these things often do, because the two girls were always a mite the odd girl out of each of their groups), and what's more the show didn't really forget the episode happened once each girl inevitably went back to her home roost, because they remained friendly....not bad by 1980s standards.

“They can be smart, they can be Tom-boyish, they can be girly, they can be afraid of the dark, they can be badass, they can even be evil, manipulative criminals, but the choice is there's to make alone...” That brings to mind a subtle point I happened to notice about the Power Puffs’ occasional straying from the straight and narrow. What is the real difference between them and their foes when, say, Blossom frames Mojo for a burglary of golf clubs that she actually engineered herself, and Buttercup’s turning the tooth fairy into a racket? Well, it’s like that famous “Peanuts” cartoon where Violet has gotten tired of Charlie Brown sermonizing on an issue, and fires back "You're just as hypocritical as the rest of us, Charlie Brown!" and Charlie Brown's parting shot, "Yes, but I feel guilty about it!" The PPG Rogues Gallery might regret about getting caught and having their plans blow up in their faces, and they might even be indignant when the Power Puffs don't play within the rules, but they don't seem capable of actually regretting their misdeeds. That's not the case with our heroines when they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Like I said, a subtle point, but one the PPGZ creators might find worth noting (though anime's approach on these things often differs sharply from western animation's).


Well, CN is banking that Disney wants to remain content producers, not content purchasers, and really, that's quite a safe bet. Disney doesn't want to borrow a property, they want it lock, stock and barrel. Nick is pretty much the same way (though I could see them getting into play syndication outlet,) so CN is in a pretty safe position. They are pretty much it these days when it comes to cable animation sub-licencing/syndication for children. As such, BKN's in a tough spot. They are already completely absent from a number of major markets where CN's present, so CN really has the upper hand. CN would probably like to be more of a producer than syndication outlet as well, as evidenced by projects like IGPX, Big O 2 and PPGZ, so even they aren't likely to be interested. With so much of the stuff becoming integrated under one roof, it gets hard for anyone who doesn't have a whole factory operation to function in the US. However, given that CN's bought more than a few shows cause they were cheap, I don't doubt that if BKN offers stuff up cheap, they'll take it. Like I said, they are about the bottom line these days, not quality.I can't very well deny what you're saying on Disney, though I would have to consider Jetix to be a totally different case (though frankly, I fervently hope "Monster Rancher" would not end up there, since I firmly believe that it was Fox/ABC Family's mishandling of the show that was in large part responsible for the demise (though BKN Kids deserves its fair share of the blame). Thing is, Disney needs some way of making ABC Family distinctive from their own homegrown shows on the Disney Channel, and going to the deep library they bought from Saban (coupled with some outside acquistions) would be the best means of doing this. (Although, I've never understood Disney's recent practice of airing programs on the Disney Channel and on even its "Wonderful World of Disney" show that originate from outside producers, sometimes even from their top competitors. As the flagship outlets for Disney, these should strictly showcase the company's product, and outside acquisitions should be saved for outlets like ABC. That is, if you care at all for little things like branding your company name.)

I also don't disagree that BKN is in a tough position after essentially vacating the American market for several years. If I were in BKN's shoes, what I would be doing is offering "Monster Rancher" to CN for a bargain-basement rate for a year or two, in return for a guarranteed run or two of all the episodes (absent their drawing such low rating that even their cheap cost was losing CN money). BKN would hope to make its money on the show by spurring the sales and rentals of Digiview's MR DVDs (assuming of course, that BKN will earn a percentage of this and did not make a straight sale of the DVD rights to Digiview), or at renewal time if the ratings go through the roof (perhaps even additional income if the show proves strong enough to support new episodes).

Though in the long run, the best hopes of 4Kids, DiC, Nelvana, BKN, etc. for surviving the Viacom/Nick, Time-Warner/CN/KWB, and Disney/ABC cartel might be to join their efforts together in merging 4KidsTV and DiC Kids into their own block....


That's about true. They (being Cartoon Network) buy shows without thinking "who'll watch them." Instead, the acquirers think "How cheap is it?" Maybe, if Cartoon Network acquired what worked for them, as well as other networks, in the past, as well as what still works for them/other networks, and banked less on new ideas that may or may not fail (DICE, Atomic Betty, old shows from Kids' WB!), while making more shows under the supervision of their studios, they might have more of a chance to filter out a plan for success.Well, one has to give CN credit for one thing, they've come a long ways from the not-too-long-ago days when they were threatening to run their network into the ground by showing "Scooby Doo" or Cartoons Cartoons round the clock. At least they have a lot more variety to work from now.


Speaking of what worked for them in the past, they should've gone after Martin Mystery, a Marathon show in the vein of Totally Spies!. They didn't, and now Nick has it, and the partnership with Marathon. You let it slip; how stupid, Cartoon Network!That is rather strange at that. I cited "Monster Rancher" as an opportunity for CN to repeat its past successes in salvaging shows that failed elsewhere, and "Martin Mystery" (a fugitive from "Fox Box") certainly fits the bill. Considering that CN was the only place "Fox Box" alumni had been showing up until about now, and the big success CN enjoyed with another Marathon show, "Totally Spies", the real mystery about Martin is how CN would let him get away to Nick.


Collaborating with an outside studio permanently and exclusively would also be an endeavor that could change the network for the better. Frederator worked for Nick, after all. Cartoon Network has Funimation Entertainment, but still needs another American/Canadian studio (it's Cartoon Network's chance, go for the gold!), and Moonscoop would work for Cartoon Network, also, if they could just churn out shows at a faster rate (the rate they're going right now with Code Lyoko just isn't going to cut it) and at a quality comparative to that of Code Lyoko.As I said before, variety never hurts.


You do know that Sonic X Episode 53+ WAS NOT dubbed in japanese. The show was always in japanese...Well, actually, I believe all anime is dubbed in Japanese. From what I heard, their practice is to finish the animation and then add the dialogue later, which is exactly the reverse of their western counterparts, who record the dialogue first and then draw the animation to fit it. That's why American voice actors find doing work for anime shows so different from their usual experience....

[Happy]

I still think they should hire Bleedman on to create and write and original for CN.His writing and especially his plotting and character designs are pretty bad. The main joy of his comic is seeing the characters in the same world, not his hard to follow plot.

[speedster]

i only wish i could see this alongside the original.

[Blue Priestess]

His writing and especially his plotting and character designs are pretty bad. The main joy of his comic is seeing the characters in the same world, not his hard to follow plot.
His designs aren't too bad - it's just that they're all take-offs on existing designs that look good. His originals? Meh. And whole-heartedly agreed on his plotting, pacing, and characterization. "Okay, the PPGs are fighting Mojo, who's stolen Megas and kidnapped Mandy when all of a sudden, Spawn shows up! Kewl!" Gag.

Anything PPGZ does, even if they overdose of 'girl power' stereotypes and have a Dexter/Professor hybrid, has to be better than Bleedman. I don't get why everyone's so enamored with his stuff when it's all just superficial quality.

[Lynxara]

The internet is enamoured with Bleedman, but the internet is in many ways a completely brain-damaged critic. :D

[RADRAD]

His writing and especially his plotting and character designs are pretty bad. The main joy of his comic is seeing the characters in the same world, not his hard to follow plot.
Exactly. Bleedman's comic is one big glorified anime-style crossover, but that's why I like it personally. Guess I'm a sucker for that kind of thing, but I normally don't look kindly on crossovers anyway.

[Glenn Leider]

when is this anime going to start releasing episodes in Japan? Or has it already?An earlier discussion in this thread discussed the likelyhood that the series will air in Japan and the US almost simultaneously. So far the Wikipedia target date of November remains in effect. In another month or so we should have a more precise timeline.

[Karl Olson]

An earlier discussion in this thread discussed the likelyhood that the series will air in Japan and the US almost simultaneously. So far the Wikipedia target date of November remains in effect. In another month or so we should have a more precise timeline.

I'd be more inclined to believe that date though if they'd mentioned PPGZ in the fall preview. It's premiere date maybe more fluid than one would imagine.

[OverMaster]

Exactly. Bleedman's comic is one big glorified anime-style crossover, but that's why I like it personally. Guess I'm a sucker for that kind of thing, but I normally don't look kindly on crossovers anyway.
The worst thing about Bleedman isn't his scripts (it is like watching wrestling. You know you aren't going to see it for the complex plots), but the delays. I just checked in, and now he is saying he is sorry for not updating the comic for three weeks straight. Sooner or later, such disrespect for deadlines does hurt a webcomic.

But of course, what could we expect from someone with Joe Madureira as a role model? :sweat:

[ChibiGoku]

I'd be more inclined to believe that date though if they'd mentioned PPGZ in the fall preview. It's premiere date maybe more fluid than one would imagine.Then again, watch japan surprise us and air it for 6 months straight with no US release.

[Conan-san]

Exactly. Bleedman's comic is one big glorified anime-style crossover, but that's why I like it personally. Guess I'm a sucker for that kind of thing, but I normally don't look kindly on crossovers anyway. I guess what was said about Astroboy: omega factor can be apllied here.


[Astroboy: Omega Factor] simultaneously condenses, retells and homages it's source material while indulging in the biggest crossover orgy this side of the Super Robot Wars games.

[JordanS.]

Is there a delete character from the Original Powerpuff Girls Series, that didn't made in this new version?

Jordan

[Conekiller]

Alas, all we know of this new PPG is that it exists, features non-sibling PPG with magical weapons, a young professor Utonium and Mojo Jojo.

[JordanS.]

Alas, all we know of this new PPG is that it exists, features non-sibling PPG with magical weapons, a young professor Utonium and Mojo Jojo.Oh, ok. But what do you mean "Features Non-Sibling PPG?"

Jordan

[Wanted]

Oh, ok. But what do you mean "Features Non-Sibling PPG?"

JordanThe girls aren't related in this series.

[Jave]

Oh, ok. But what do you mean "Features Non-Sibling PPG?"

JordanMeans that in the anime, the PPG are not sisters.

[JordanS.]

What, the Powerpuff Girls are not sisters in the Japanese Version?! Is it true? :confused:

Jordan

[Karl Olson]

In the new series, yes, the PPG are just people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, endowing them with ultrasuperpowers. In a sense, it's a revision that makes it even more like a magical girl series - unrelated people ending up together fighting evil as a team and all that.

[JordanS.]

In the new series, yes, the PPG are just people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, endowing them with ultrasuperpowers. In a sense, it's a revision that makes it even more like a magical girl series - unrelated people ending up together fighting evil as a team and all that.
Oh. But if they're not sisters in this anime, do they have their own..... families? And the Prof. is their friend?

Jordan

[Karl Olson]

Oh. But if they're not sisters in this anime, do they have their own..... families? And the Prof. is their friend?

Jordan

The prof becomes a friend through circumstance as it's his screw up that gives them powers. As to whether they'll have families, well, that remains to be seen. However, if they are done right it could be outstanding. The Doremi crew is capable of excellent writing when it comes to back story (don't believe me? check out the Doremi Naisho OVA, especially episode 4,) and families are loaded with back story possibilities.

[JordanS.]

The prof becomes a friend through circumstance as it's his screw up that gives them powers. As to whether they'll have families, well, that remains to be seen. However, if they are done right it could be outstanding. The Doremi crew is capable of excellent writing when it comes to back story (don't believe me? check out the Doremi Naisho OVA, especially episode 4,) and families are loaded with back story possibilities.
OooooKkk :sad: But is... Miss Ms Bellum is in ... this anime series too? :sweat:

Jordan

[Karl Olson]

OooooKkk :sad: But is... Miss Ms Bellum is in ... this anime series too? :sweat:

Jordan

No clue. A lot is unknown about the new show. Villians, side-characters, and a lot of stuff like that is unknown.

[JordanS.]

No clue. A lot is unknown about the new show. Villians, side-characters, and a lot of stuff like that is unknown.
Oh, I see.

Anyway...... I can't wait to see it when it cames to CN :anime:

Jordan

[CartoonOverlord]

AAAAH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE DEAD, HEAD FOR THE FREAKIN' HILLS!
And I thougt PPG was bad enough.

[NinjaJack]

AAAAH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE DEAD, HEAD FOR THE FREAKIN' HILLS!
Last I checked that was Zim

[CartoonOverlord]

Last I checked that was ZimAnd last time I checked Invader Zim was never turned into a cheap anime knockoff.

[Conekiller]

now, now, behave yourselves!

[Gokou Ruri]

Technically it's not a knock off, since it is an actual anime (unlike Teen Titans or something) However, the (lack of) quality the show will have is up to debate.

[Duke]

Technically it's not a knock off, since it is an actual anime (unlike Teen Titans or something) However, the (lack of) quality the show will have is up to debate.But like Teen Titans, it has some real talent behind it.

[Hordesman]

And last time I checked Invader Zim was never turned into a cheap anime knockoff.

You mean you haven't heard? CLAMP just started up Kawaii Invader Shoujo Zim-chan! :p

[ChibiGoku]

You mean you haven't heard? CLAMP just started up Kawaii Invader Shoujo Zim-chan! :p
....You know I know that's a joke yet, that's an EXTREMELY scary thought. Atleast there isn't any Invader Zim Hen...

Better yet, I WILL NOT finish that sentence.

[Conekiller]

you will be surprised what you stumle into on.....THE INTERNET :eek:

[JordanS.]

So.... are you sure the Powerpuff Girls Z will come to CN one day or it's.... just a rumor? :sad: I hope they haven't stopped making that show, because the fans seems to love it. :anime:

Jordan

[Duke]

So.... are you sure the Powerpuff Girls Z will come to CN one day or it's.... just a rumor? :sad: I hope they haven't stopped making that show, because the fans seems to love it. :anime: We don't even know if they've actually made episodes of the show. Literally all we've seen and heard has been from the 2-minute promo clip from about a year ago.

[Karl Olson]

they've got a full pilot from the looks of the clips and the other info, but a pilot isn't a show. If nothing comes of it (doesn't seem to be the case) it'd be nice if the pilot atleast turned up some point on CN.

[JordanS.]

So what was the pliot of the Powerpuff Girls Z?

Jordan

[Duke]

So what was the pliot of the Powerpuff Girls Z?

JordanMojo is attacking Townsville, and the girls show off their new abilities in order to beat him up.

[nevermorewicked]

Now I know that nothing is really official but when do you think PPG Z will air?

[Wanted]

Individually, I think it will air sometime in spring or fall of 2006.

[JordanS.]

Mojo is attacking Townsville, and the girls show off their new abilities in order to beat him up.
Oh. But you know something, it almost sounds like a shortCartoon like "Meat Fuzzy Lumpkins" and "Crime 911" from the What A Cartoon Show. Only for Janpan though :D

Jordan

[Karl Olson]

Mojo is attacking Townsville, and the girls show off their new abilities in order to beat him up.


Actually, first a monster is attacking the city, so prof goes out and tries to stop it with chemical x beam. Something goes wrong, reflecting the beam back at the city; not only does this create the girls, but it also creates various other monsters and villians. Later the prof gives the girls each special weapons to use to take on their enemies, and then mojo shows up.

[JordanS.]

Actually, first a monster is attacking the city, so prof goes out and tries to stop it with chemical x beam. Something goes wrong, reflecting the beam back at the city; not only does this create the girls, but it also creates various other monsters and villians. Later the prof gives the girls each special weapons to use to take on their enemies, and then mojo shows up.
You saw that, really?

Jordan

[Karl Olson]

You saw that, really?

Jordan

That is info relayed from here:

http://www.toonygal.com/ppg/

Speaking of which, apparently the weapons are part of their transformation.

BTW, after seeing Toei's work on Pretty Cure and more of their work on Doremi, there is no reason whatsoever that PPGZ shouldn't be filled with both awesome story, great comedy and action packed fighting outside of someone screwing it up on the US side of the equation. The Japanese stuff is so firmly in check that it should be worry free.

[New Noise]

That is info relayed from here:

http://www.toonygal.com/ppg/

Speaking of which, apparently the weapons are part of their transformation.

BTW, after seeing Toei's work on Pretty Cure and more of their work on Doremi, there is no reason whatsoever that PPGZ shouldn't be filled with both awesome story, great comedy and action packed fighting outside of someone screwing it up on the US side of the equation. The Japanese stuff is so firmly in check that it should be worry free.
It's going to be very interesting while I watch this series.

[JordanS.]

I hope it comes too. I can't wait to see it. :anime: :anime:

Jordan

[NinjaJack]

Erm, the girls are not created by the beam, they just pull a Bruce Banner, Fantastic for "Whoops where that burst of uber powerful energy come from?"



:bcup: three cheers for the whoop girls growing up.


"I love the PPG!! They are fearsome!":zim:

[JordanS.]

In this anime version, does the Powerpuff Girls still lives in........ Townsville?

Jordan

[Wanted]

I believe so.

But, almost every other post here is yours... it wouldn't hurt to ask all questions you have in one post, so that this thread could die peacefully. Do the research. There's only one website based on this tentative show, and the link's already been provided. You'll find a good amount of information there.

[ChibiGoku]

Actually, it's not Townsville, it's some other name that I can't remember off the top of my head.

[JordanS.]

Actually, it's not Townsville, it's some other name that I can't remember off the top of my head.What, not Townsville? Are you telling the truth?

Jordan

[ChibiGoku]

What, not Townsville? Are you telling the truth?

Jordan
Yes.

[Karl Olson]

Yes.


In fact, it's one of the first things in this link:

*read it* http://www.toonygal.com/ppg/ *read it*

They work out of "Tokyo City" in the anime version.

[Gary L Thompson]

In fact, it's one of the first things in this link:

*read it* http://www.toonygal.com/ppg/ *read it*

They work out of "Tokyo City" in the anime version.
You can bet it won't be that way in the dubbed version. Really wouldn't make sense for them to use any name but Townsville.

[Skyknight]

My eyes...the goggles do nothing.

Anyoine read the PPG Doujinshi? No wait, stupid question, everybody whos' any fan of animation has read it. Looks better than this, is probably better written than this, when Japan gets their hands on shows they actually helped influence, they make them ten times worse.

[Gokou Ruri]

Anyoine read the PPG Doujinshi? No wait, stupid question, everybody whos' any fan of animation has read it. Looks better than this, is probably better written than this, when Japan gets their hands on shows they actually helped influence, they make them ten times worse.
You mean Bleedman's? I'm not a fan of his work... a lot of the characters act OOC and the plot is pretty thin... but his artwork has effort put into it, so I can respect that. And Powerpuff Girls isn't really animeish at all... but it is huge in Japan, so I hear.

[Karl Olson]

The merch was huge even before the show came over. The original series is the only American CN original as far as I know to get broadcast on terrestrial TV in Japan (a prime time slot on TV Tokyo.) So yeah, it was pretty huge.

As far as the naming of the city and other blantantly Japanese aspects of the adaption outside of the visual-style, it depends on what they are going for the stateside release. They might just keep the name so they can better the break with the original series. HHPAY's proven that kids seem fairly tolerant of Japanese phrases being thrown around, so really, it depends on what Register expects out of this project. Maybe he wants to seem as patently Japanese as possible.

[Skyknight]

You mean Bleedman's? I'm not a fan of his work... a lot of the characters act OOC and the plot is pretty thin..
Really? I like it, yeah its' not the greatest virtual comic out there, but it does spin various C.N characters into the same unvierse in a relativly reallistic way. You could assume Jack arrives in that timeline, you could assume from in-jokes that Dex and Blossom share the same universe

I agree however that a lot of the characters are too much in my own opinion, or pointless, I do have this assumption about his Mary Sue PPG Belle in the comic (due to one of the last chapters of volume one, Blossom mentioning Bunny etc, I just kind of figured Bunnys' been ressurected in a new body, and it is a popular opinion, probably wrong, and if it is, its' a blown oppertunity)

[Desifoxy]

If they want to ruin a show, they should hire Chris Savino. He does a pretty good job.

Also, maybe they will change the name of the city back to "Townsville" in english dub. And we cant have a PPG show without the narrator. Perhaps, they would hire narrator of DBZ for american dub?

[Killtacular]

This thread keeps being bumped despite no new information circulating. Shouldn't it be locked at this point? It hurts to think about people trying to read through this whole thread.

[Karl Olson]

Hmm... good point. Closed until CN atleast gets a press release out or something new leaks.