Enemy Below Problems & Coolness (spoilers)

[aammpp]

Good:
Loved Aquaman. Wonder if one of his gloved hands is fake? Hmmm...will it turn into a hook and spear Orm next episode?

Deadshot. Nice touch. And he's upper-crust (snooty) sounding. Perfect.

Bad:
JL ripping open ships underwater not knowing water-breathers are inside? Amoral.

Supes not knowing to put a water-breather that he met before into water to save him? LAME.

Supes not spoilng Deadshot's shot. Lame. (Apparently, batarang is faster?)
MM not phase-ripping (ala Blackest night) DS's wheels off? Lame.
WW not using her lasso on on Deashot. Lame.
MM not using his telepathy for same. Lame.

A "Grant Morrison who needs a team anyway?" Batman showing the team up for no reason...LAME!!!

I hope this show gets better...I hope we get a JL episode soon. For me, tonight was "How I can save the day with no help so gimme back my old show" (words can be Bats or Bruce Timm I guess).

I dig Bats...but this is a TEAM show. And if we are gonna get a Bats show where he saves the day alone....I wish it would be because only HE could do it. Not because the writers ignored the rest of the team.

Sigh....I had such hopes for this show. Think I'll rewatch World's Finest again.

Sigh...

[Naraht]

Originally posted by aammpp
Good:
Loved Aquaman. Wonder if one of his gloved hands is fake? Hmmm...will it turn into a hook and spear Orm next episode?

Deadshot. Nice touch. And he's upper-crust (snooty) sounding. Perfect.

Bad:
JL ripping open ships underwater not knowing water-breathers are inside? Amoral.

Um...it obviously wasn't a human ship..and Supes knew of the Atlantians (or whatever they're called)


Supes not knowing to put a water-breather that he met before into water to save him? LAME.

Supes isn't known for his brain.


Supes not spoilng Deadshot's shot. Lame. (Apparently, batarang is faster?)

=] Batman rules!


MM not phase-ripping (ala Blackest night) DS's wheels off? Lame.

He didn't have a chance to set up..


WW not using her lasso on on Deashot. Lame.

Yeah..I'll give ya that one..=]


MM not using his telepathy for same. Lame.

Where's the fun in that?


A "Grant Morrison who needs a team anyway?" Batman showing the team up for no reason...LAME!!!

D00d! That was the best part!!


I hope this show gets better...I hope we get a JL episode soon. For me, tonight was "How I can save the day with no help so gimme back my old show" (words can be Bats or Bruce Timm I guess).

Sounds good to me.. Batman Rules!


I dig Bats...but this is a TEAM show. And if we are gonna get a Bats show where he saves the day alone....I wish it would be because only HE could do it. Not because the writers ignored the rest of the team.

Sigh....I had such hopes for this show. Think I'll rewatch World's Finest again.

Sigh...

I liked it.

=]

Not tryin to start a flame war...I see your point...But the show's only 1/2 way through (it's an hour show...they just split it in two...which I dislike)

[Bird Boy]

at least Batman was IN this one. He wasn't in the last ones....and I enjoyed it.

I agree with everything you said naraht...and plus, it was batman's plan, so it's only right he got to use a bat-a-rang.

Imagine how ticked batman fans would be if he wasn't in the show for 3 eps straight...that'd tick me off...

-BB

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

I thought this episode rocked! Seeing Deadshot was ausome...by the way...could anybody hear what threat Batman gave to Deadshot as a whisper?? That part was hilarious!

[Clayface]

Though I enjoyed the episode, I'd have to agree with a lot of what aammpp said (other than the stuff about Batman! He rocks!). But while watching the episode, I sat there thinking many of the same things.

I was alright with Batman stopping Deadshot's missle. But what bugged me was - how the heck did Deadshot make it back to the manhole?? I mean, isn't Supes supposed to be "faster than a speeding bullet"? Shouldn't he have beat that guy very easily back to the manhole?

And then MM not using his phasing abilities to stop the motorcycle was a very obvious screw-up - I don't buy the "he didn't have time to set up" idea.

Another thing I didn't like was WW's atempt to stop Deadshot - she's just gonna cause huge structural damage to the sewers to stop the guy? Seems rather extreme and needless.

Overall, it felt like they purposefully underused/misused the team members and their abilities.

[Kal-el]

Originally posted by Clayface
Overall, it felt like they purposefully underused/misused the team members and their abilities.

I have to agree Clayface.
I was a bit disappointed that Deathshot got away from Batman so easily. It seemed a bit sloppy for Bats.

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Clayface
But what bugged me was - how the heck did Deadshot make it back to the manhole?? I mean, isn't Supes supposed to be "faster than a speeding bullet"? Shouldn't he have beat that guy very easily back to the manhole

Well, I don't know about you, but if you're tracking down a costumed villain you've just met you'd want to cage him out a bit just in case he makes some sudden moves. After all, what if he had some kryptonite (seems like there's a lot of it floating around) or a weapon that could drop him (there were a lot of them too on STAS). Superman used caution because he knew that if he could drop Aquaman, he could drop Superman as well.

While I missed the first six minutes of the episode, I have to say that this was the best episode of Justice League that I've seen yet. George Newburn is starting to get more comfortable in his role (as is Phil LaMarr) and the animation used seems much much better than the type used in the previous two episodes. And who didn't get chills when Batman showed up out of the darkness (just like old times!)? The chase scene with Deadshot was both unexpected and fun to watch.

Aquaman's more interesting now as well. I'll give points to someone who cold-cocked Green Lantern like that.

I can't wait to see the rest of it.

[Luminous]

Generally I have the same sentiments as those of you who have previously posted. I wanted to hit on two other little things that had me thinking. I believe these were both touched on in previous threads, but I'll mention them here again. One, there seems to be some lack in consistent scale between character sizes. And two, Superman's strength level seems to fluctuate.

Consistent scale: Earlier in "the enemy below", when GL is standing in front of Aquaman after he jumps out of the saline tank, Stewart's head only comes up to Aquaman's chest. Later on when GL is standing guard over Aquaman ( when AM slugs GL ), they seemed to be the same height. I've noticed this inconsistency consistently throughout the shows to date. I wish someone would catch this and prevent it from making the final print. It really spoils some of the luster I expect from this show.

The only explanation I could see is that AM's body might absorb the water like a sponge and since he was soaking in the saline tank, he was at his saturation point. Later, he had been out of the water for a little bit and had lost some of the moisture..... NAH!! Doesn't work for me.

Supe's strength: I'm not one of those people who needs to know exactly how much Kal can bench, but like to see reasonable consistency among effort. In this particular episode I thought it odd that he could push that MASSIVE ship through the water pretty quickly and with such force against the other as to cause that destruction of the hulls. Yet, later he seemed to be struggling (albeit VERY briefly) when ripping the door off of DE's van. Just doesn't seem to add up in my book. The fact that the ship was floating in water has no bearing on the mass being moved through a heavier medium than air. He did it in a manner suggestive of a being possessed of VASTLY IMMENSE strength. I feel it should have been NOTHING for him to peel that door off. Instead, there's a brief grunt and then the door goes flying.

<sigh>

I did LOVE how GL's ring sustained him in the ocean. It's virtually no different than being in outer space. I think that is cool! And the way his ring just ripped through those ships like nothing. It was INCREDIBLE!

I loved the episode overall, I just had some minor gripes.

[Calico]

Originally posted by Clayface

Another thing I didn't like was WW's atempt to stop Deadshot - she's just gonna cause huge structural damage to the sewers to stop the guy? Seems rather extreme and needless.



That's exactly what I thought when I saw this scene. It was just a little too excessive. At this rate there won't be much city left to protect. :rolleyes:

Bats was great as usual. Anyone have any theories of what his threat was? Whatever it was had Deadshot quaking in his booties.


Calico

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

[i]Originally posted by ClayfaceOverall, it felt like they purposefully underused/misused the team members and their abilities.
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I agree, but I think it's good that they did that so that they could spotlight Batman.

[metaphysician]

Originally posted by Calico


That's exactly what I thought when I saw this scene. It was just a little too excessive. At this rate there won't be much city left to protect. :rolleyes:

Bats was great as usual. Anyone have any theories of what his threat was? Whatever it was had Deadshot quaking in his booties.


Calico

Given how Deadshot took to Wonder Woman, my guess is that it involved his "little pistol" and how one can most definitely survive its removal. ;)

[BeastBoyWonder]

lol that's what i thought too. And about bats showing up unexpectedly...

Since it was the daytime, and Batman usually isn't out in the daytime, he probably caught up on the Justice League making international news and went to help out.

[James Harvey]

I was really surpised to hear about Deadshot. He's been a favorite charatcer of mine, especially during the SUICIDE SQUAD arc in SUPERBOY all those years back. Plus his recent appearance in DETECTIVE COMICS a few years back was also just...aweosme! I'm glad Timm will be throwing in villian cameos like this. This is a virtual who's who for DCU fans!

[Maxie Zeus]

I totally agree with aammpp's observations, especially since Deadshot's a pro and is going to be armed and prepared to handle the JL, since he knows they are on the case. A Kryptonite to ward off Superman, knock-out gas on Batman, something surprising to foil Diana and J'onn. Then we would have had a more exciting chase, and the JL wouldn't have looked quite so foolish.

But to tell the truth the holes really didn't bother me. It's an interesting plot they've got going here--both it and the characterizations are sharper than "In Blackest Night" so I can live with the holes.

But it would still be funny to see GL put on his best "drill sergeant" attitude and rip J'onn, Diana, Supes and Bats for so utterly failing to live up to their potential.

[kid_flash]

I agree with anyone who says Deadshot would've been more prepared. The guy's the finest marksman on the planet, and is your go-to guy if you want someone killed. He'll get the job done and take extra care to see that his client isn't revealed. Heck, he ran with the Suicide Squad for awhile and survived. While he certainly isn't a guy who'll go up against the League anytime soon, he'd give 'em a run for their money. And certainly wouldn't get taken down by some spikes when he just got past Superman, J'onn, AND Wonder Woman.

Alas, they're trying to grab stuff from every era of the League, and Morrison's self-reliant Batman is in one of 'em. But Morrison did it better :)

I did enjoy that Batman really got into the tough-guy act, though. But Superman still would've figured out that Aquaman needed water.

[aammpp]

Well, my rant aside....it was a good show. Probably the best yet.

And after watching it again....I overreacted. I see more now what was going on. The ship didn't blow up.

And I guess we are to infer that the JL knew it was Atlanteans from Supes?

I see more now how the JL herded Deadshot together and I guess WW hasn't revealed or doesn't know what her lasso can do? (Or it can't do all it could in the comics?)

It still bugs me that Supes is so dumb....but hey you can't have everything.

I guess Flash was "busy" as MR was voicing Deadshot - haha!

And HawkGirl wasn't around 'cause WW was fufilling the grunting & hi-yah quota for the day.

[Clayface]

Another thing that bothered me about this episode: Is there anyone out there that doesn't see the ending coming a mile away? I mean, the minute ol' Aqua-boy got hit with a missle, I knew exactly who was behind the attack - not that it was Deadpool, but who it was that would have had the fish-boy attacked. Seems rather predictable to me.