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Duke

03-21-2005, 08:00 AM

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In the distant future, there is no such thing as an age limit. Even a five-year-old can join the military.

Last week on Mobile Suit Gundam SEED:

"Rau and Yzak got a quick repair job and returned to battle, only to face the awesome power of the Freedom. As that is going on, the life pod with Flay in it moves closer to the Dominion, as Azreal wonders if it is a trap or not. Ready to cause more trouble, Flay sends out a battle-wide communication that she has the 'key' inside with her. Finding out who's in the lifepod, Kira races to rescue his former girlfriend, but the druggies stand in his way. Even with missing limbs and a missing head, the Freedom fights on until Kira is forced to retreat, thanks to Justice. Flay is glad to see a familiar face in Natarle, and Azreal reveals what was on the disc: full schematics for the Freedom and Justice..."

This week on Mobile Suit Gundam SEED:

"With the blueprints for the N-Jammer Cancellers in his hands, Azreal magically creates enough of them for pretty much each and every Alliance battleship. Now that they can use their nukes again, it's time to put them to good use! Time for that full-fledged attack on ZAFT that the Alliance has been wanting for quite some time! However, Kira and Athrun intercept with their brand new METEORs, giving the already over-powered Freedom and Justice about 10x more power than before. Not to be outdone, Patrick Zala has a new ace up his sleeve. Wait, is that a Cyclops system!?"

Spoilers: Yea, spoilers are evil, blah blah blah. You know the drill.

NickWhiz1

03-25-2005, 01:40 PM

Episode 47, eh?

Actually, IIRC, supposedly there's two months that pass between Episodes 46 and 47, so it's not unreasonable to have that many NJCs ready in that amount of time. It probably didn't take them very long to reverse-engineer the NJC, so there was plenty of time to outfit their nuclear missiles with them.

Keep in mind that the NJC has a REALLY small effective radius. Relatively speaking, Freedom's NJC is just large enough for its nuclear reactor. Therefore, the NJCs must be equipped to the nukes themselves. This then brings up the question of whether each and every one has a NJC equipped, but that's another argument for another time.

I hope you guys like cheese, because there's going to be a whole FLOOD of it tonight...and the next 3 weeks :sweat:

Demonic Raven

03-25-2005, 01:45 PM

I hope you guys like cheese, because there's going to be a whole FLOOD of it tonight...and the next 3 weeks :sweat: Yummy.

rubberchicken

03-25-2005, 02:05 PM

Fear the awesome FROOT LOOP POWAH.

Hopelessly defenseless ZAFT people: Oh no, save us!

Kira/Athrun: (meteormeteormeteormeteormeteormeteormeteormeteormeteor)

Me: Zzzzzzzz...

Captain Zechs

03-25-2005, 03:37 PM

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The Archangel dodges fire from the Dominion, and Kira and Athrun continue to engage the three Gundams. Twelve GINNs launch from the Nazca class ships, followed by Yzak in the Duel Gundam and Rau in his CGUE. Rau orders that Flay's escape pod be launched after he leaves the ship. Rau tells his forces that their target will be the Eternal. On the Eternal, Andy asks Murrue to take care of the Dominion while the Eternal and Kusanagi fight the Nazca class ships. The Dominion detects the escape pod, and Azrael wonders what is going on. Kira is momentarily distracted, which allows Orga to sneak in close. Kira pulls back, and Athrun tells them they are in a bad situation. Kira dodges Orga's attacks and uses his beam saber to destroy Orga's bazooka. Nearby, the M1 Astrays hold off the GINNs. Yzak tries to attack an M1 Astray, but he is blocked by a shot from Dearka. Kira shoots at Orga, but he misses and hits a destroyed M1 Astray. Lacus asks Andy to concentrate their fire on the Vesalius so that they can use it as a breakthrough point. Andy calls Murrue and tells her the plan. Flay panics and sends out a distress call, which causes everyone to stop. Azrael asks Natarle who that is, and she says that Flay is the daughter of the late Vice Minister George Allster. Kira freezes when he hears Flay's voice, and Clotho sneaks up behind him and blows off the Freedom Gundam's left wing. Natarle orders Orga to pick up the escape pod, and Flay says that she has the key to end the war, which piques Azrael's interest. Kira blindly chases after Orga, and the Freedom Gundam's head is damaged by Shani and blown off by Clotho's hammer. The Eternal and Kusanagi fire at the Vesalius, and Andy tells Murrue to breakthrough. Kira calls out to Flay, and both she and Natarle are shocked to hear his voice.

Flay begins to cry when she hears Kira's voice, and Clotho fires at Kira with his machine guns. Athrun steps in and uses his beam boomerang to slice off the Raider Gundam's right leg. Athrun asks Kira how he plans to fight in his state, and Kira says that Flay is someone he hurt and has to protect. The Kusanagi and Eternal continue to fire at the heavily damaged Vesalius. Dearka shoots at Shani to provide cover for Athrun and Kira to escape. As Athrun and Dearka pass the Vesalius, they salute it and see Ades saluting back as the ship explodes. On the Dominion, Flay is brought to the bridge and Azrael asks her if she has the key. She gives him the disk and tells him it was given to her by Rau. Azrael leaves with the disk, and Flay is shocked to see Natarle. Natarle asks Flay if she's okay, and Flay begins to cry in her arms. In his quarters, Azrael reviews the contents of the disk and laughs maniacally when he sees he has the specs for the N-Jammer Canceler. On the Eternal, Kira tells Athrun that he'll be okay now. Lacus comes in, and Kira thinks he sees Flay and passes out. In the Archangel's infirmary, Murrue tells Mu that Kira collapsed, and Mu says things have been hard on him lately. Murrue looks at the album of Mu's pictures, and he tells her his father was a domineering and distrustful man. He says that Rau is a failed experiment because his aging process is being accelerated. He says that Rau plans to bring about the end of the world and he vows not to let him do that. Kira wakes up and imagines that Lacus is a naked Flay. Cagalli wonders why Kira has a framed copy of her picture, and Athrun takes her outside. Kira tells Lacus he vowed not to cry, and she tells him he can cry when he feels like it. On the Kusanagi, Erica supervises preparations for the Strike Rouge. Murrue kisses Mu and leaves, and Lacus holds Kira in her lap.

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At the Ptolemaeus base, the N-Jammer Canceler data is examined. Officials want to use it to solve the energy crisis on Earth, but Azrael insists on using it to allow the use of nuclear weapons again. He says that is more important because they have to end the war against the Coordinators in one move. At the same time, nuclear weapons are shipped up from Earth and loaded onto Alliance ships at the Moon base. The Alliance then sends out a fleet to attack Boaz and launches its Moebius and Strike Dagger forces. Boaz responds to the attack by launching its GINN and GuAIZ divisions. Yzak's subordinates ask him how many enemies are attacking and what their orders are. In his office, Patrick is informed of the Alliance attack on Boaz and says that's not unexpected. Ezalia wonders why the Alliance would attack, and Rau says he has some concerns. He says the Alliance would know how well-defended Boaz is and that they wouldn't launch an attack without a reason. He says there are many unknown factors in the battle now, including the Freedom Gundam, Justice Gundam and Lacus. Patrick wants to know if he's suggesting that the Alliance has nuclear weapons again, and Rau says they are only concerns. Elsewhere, the Dominion and a small group of escort ships approach Boaz. The Dominion launches its three Gundams, which proceed to destroy GINNs and GuAIZs with ease. Sutherland calls Natarle to tell her that the Peacemaker divisions are ready for launch. The ships launch several Moebius squads, all of which are armed with nuclear missiles. With the Gundams acting as defense, the Moebiuses approach Boaz and successfully launch their nuclear missiles. In the blink of an eye, Boaz is completely destroyed. Natarle asks Azrael if he feels anything about firing nuclear weapons, and he says he is saving people's lives on their side. Patrick orders the activation of GENESIS at Jachin Due.

Nearby, the Clyne Faction ships prepare to launch. Kira and Athrun ask Lacus what's going on, and Andy explains that the Alliance has destroyed Boaz. On the Archangel, Mu tells Murrue it's not surprising that the Alliance would use nuclear weapons, given what happened at Alaska. He also thinks about what Rau said inside Mendel colony. Kira and Athrun prepare for launch, and Kira asks Athrun if ZAFT will use nuclear weapons too. Athrun says that if his father was in a normal state of mind he wouldn't, but now he doesn't know. Elsewhere, the Alliance fleet is re-supplied with more nuclear weapons to attack the PLANTs next. Flay goes into an observation room where Natarle is, and Natarle asks her why she didn't stay on the Moon base. Flay says that she needs to find Kira and tell him all the things she hasn't had a chance to say. She says that she didn't understand everyone's feelings before. She also says that Rau told her the war would end, and Natarle says it will end once all the enemies are destroyed. At Jachin Due, Ezalia gives a speech to the soldiers to encourage them in their fight against the Alliance. Yzak launches in the Duel Gundam, followed by his GuAIZ squad. Nearby, the ships in the Dominion fleet launch their Peacemaker Moebius divisions. On the Eternal, Kira launches in the Freedom Gundam followed by Athrun in the Justice Gundam. On the Archangel, Mu launches in the Strike Gundam, followed by Dearka in the Buster Gundam. Kira and Athrun link up their Gundams with the METEOR weapons systems and head for the battlefield. The Moebius units approach the PLANTs and launch their nuclear missiles. Yzak starts to chase after them, but he is attacked by Clotho. Kira and Athrun unleash a massive barrage of firepower from the METEORs and destroy all the nuclear missiles before they reach the PLANTs. Azrael fires nuclear missiles at them to kill them, but Yzak, Mu and Dearka destroy them. Patrick orders Ezalia to have all the troops retreat so that GENESIS can be fired. The GENESIS cannon suddenly appears behind Jachin Due because it was hidden with Mirage Colloid. As GENESIS is about to fire, Yzak warns Athrun and Kira to get out of the way.

I encourage you however NOT to read the "This Week" part unless you miss the episode, it actually goes into TOO much detail!

Episode Summary's Courtesy of: http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/gundam.htm

EnAll

03-25-2005, 08:11 PM

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Where'd you get the image?

FlyByNite77

03-25-2005, 09:08 PM

This week on Mobile Suit Gundam SEED:

"With the blueprints for the N-Jammer Cancellers in his hands, Azreal magically creates enough of them for pretty much each and every Alliance battleship. Now that they can use their nukes again, it's time to put them to good use!

Spoilers: Yea, spoilers are evil, blah blah blah. You know the drill.Guess the EA has replicators like on Star Trek? :D

Shogun373

03-25-2005, 11:28 PM

Woah, I have not posted on a long time!!! Anyway, i missed last week's episode and I really got mad at myself for that (not really). I am just letting time pass by as I watch UNC get owned by Villanove in the NCAA Tournament.......life is good. Anyway, i hope we get some good fighting tonight.

P.S: ANyone in here knows anything about G-SEED vol. 10 for the DVD??? Why hasn't bandai said anything about it?

Funkatron

03-25-2005, 11:34 PM

May 10th release date. Its been known for months

FlyByNite77

03-25-2005, 11:40 PM

Shogun373

03-25-2005, 11:51 PM

I wish that statement was still accurate...Damn :(
Which part of my statement??

FlyByNite77

03-26-2005, 12:28 AM

Which part of my statement?? OT: The UNC owned by Nova part. Game just ended. Damn they got hosed at the end...meh

Captain Zechs

03-26-2005, 12:38 AM

Where'd you get the image?I made the "Gundam Seed", "Only on" and the "Toonami" images, but the pics i got by searching on google, i just put them all together to make that :)

Oh and I am officially 14 here in MD yay!!!

Shogun373

03-26-2005, 12:39 AM

OT: The UNC owned by Nova part. Game just ended. Damn they got hosed at the end...meh
Hahaha. Sorry for you. I really don't care since I am a FSU fan.

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Quincy Archer

03-26-2005, 01:07 AM

You know what I see? TARGETS!"

Such delivery:D :D

KuwabaraTheMan

03-26-2005, 01:08 AM

Well, Nuclear War is impending.
Yzak's a Commader now?

NickWhiz1

03-26-2005, 01:14 AM

Bye bye Boaz.

Let the final battle begin.

Timmay

03-26-2005, 01:23 AM

Looks like someone's about to be Meteor'd!

Tenku

03-26-2005, 01:25 AM

hahahaha....

"Hey hey hey!" :D *falls out of chair, laughing*

Scirel

03-26-2005, 01:29 AM

The part where Genesis is revealed is one of my favorite moments in the series. Humanity has a gun pointed at its own head now, as total human extinction is becoming a very real possibility.

KuwabaraTheMan

03-26-2005, 01:32 AM

NickWhiz1

03-26-2005, 01:32 AM

Just so everyone is clear, GENESIS has Phase Shift Armor, Mirage Colloid, and a Neutron Jammer Canceller.

NEXT TIME: Phase 48 - Day of Wrath

Just...don't miss the next three episodes. While the ending is rushed (severely), it's still a helluva ride. Blink and you may miss something.

PaQ

03-26-2005, 01:36 AM

How about that, Yzak showing some compassion and warning the Freedom and Justice. Genesis looks messed up, I wonder how that's gonna go down, but with some scenes from the preview looks like they do ok. That was a cool moment when the Freedom and Justice showed up to eliminate the nuclear warheads.. Too bad Zala is insane and Rau seems to be playing off that predictability.

Also I hope we see Natarle stand up and kick Azreal's butt, I can't stand that guy. Can't wait to see next episode. :anime:

Scirel

03-26-2005, 01:38 AM

Also I hope we see Natarle stand up and kick Azreal's butt, I can't stand that guy.
You`ll be very happy in two weeks.

FlyByNite77

03-26-2005, 01:40 AM

Man I love Yzak in this episode, although the dub voice can't hold a candle the frantic screaming of Tomokazu Seki...heh

Those METEORs though...Man... I got an idea let's give the hugely overpowered Nuclear Gundams even MORE weapons and stuff...lol

Captain Zechs

03-26-2005, 01:40 AM

You`ll be very happy in two weeks.

Why? She FAILS at her attempt sadly :(

Scirel

03-26-2005, 01:42 AM

Not entirely. She does stand up to him and tries to.

NickWhiz1

03-26-2005, 01:45 AM

Why? She FAILS at her attempt sadly :(
It's more like a draw.

Did everyone enjoy their cheese with a side of T.M. Revolution? I hope you did, as there's plenty more cheese to come (minus the J-Pop).

Freedom Fighter

03-26-2005, 02:33 AM

Anyone think the words 'Destroy all humans' may actually ring true by the time this is all over? People are dying over here, people are dying over there... gee, people are dying everywhere 'cause of those dang nukes!

About time Yzak earned his props and got to command his own squadron. Too bad they all look like a bunch of rookies. I bet he'll be lucky if he has any semblance of a team after this is all over.

The Druggies not in battle... and actually calm for once? Weird.

How come it seems they're using stock footage from the first few episodes? There were at least two or three 'general mecha' shots from the beginning of the series in this episode. Did the animators come up 10-20 seconds short of their goal that they had to rely on stock to fill in the small gaps?

8 out of 10 for "The Nightmare Reborn." 3 episodes left. If I were a betting man... I'd say six characters will die in the final battle. Considering what I know (from being spoiled on some parts months ago) and actions of certain other characters... I think that's gotta be the bare minimum, at least.

Saito

03-26-2005, 02:56 AM

this Episode was Awsome i'll give it a 9/10

Timmay

03-26-2005, 04:25 AM

Andrew T. Hingson

03-26-2005, 04:35 AM

HOLY... That's Genesis?!?!?!?! That's gotta be the most insane weapon shot I've ever seen.

I was at the edge of my seat most of the episode.

I too hope Fllay someone gives Azrael what's come'n to him.

Daikun

03-26-2005, 04:35 AM

Wow...Genesis...blast...

JESUS, THAT THING IS FREAKIN' HUGE! :eek:

Must have picture of it! Please! For the good of the world!

ktoriyama

03-26-2005, 04:38 AM

For the preservation of our bllue blooded human race.

Shouldn't it be red blooded?

Anyway good to see those arrogant Coordinators getting the nukes pointed at them, bad to see the Genesis. Home they knock some sense into the Coordinators.

Timmay

03-26-2005, 05:32 AM

Duke

03-26-2005, 08:48 AM

Anyone think the words 'Destroy all humans' may actually ring true by the time this is all over? People are dying over here, people are dying over there... gee, people are dying everywhere 'cause of those dang nukes!
Remember, we still have a sequel series. And in true Gundam fashion, both armies are back at full power after only 2 years.

How come it seems they're using stock footage from the first few episodes? There were at least two or three 'general mecha' shots from the beginning of the series in this episode. Did the animators come up 10-20 seconds short of their goal that they had to rely on stock to fill in the small gaps?
Well, we've been on Earth for almost 30 episodes, and the Mobius Mobile Armors haven't been seen for longer than that. They couldn't really use the stock footage there.

Thankfully, the number of flashbacks (especially to Junius 7, Blitz blowing up and Tolle's beheading) are reduced in Destiny. I was watching my Vol. 8 DVD and Athrun flashed back to Lacus' little speech in Episode 36 at least 7 or 8 times.

You know, you'd figure that with all the times they've been playing the instrumental version of "Anna ni..." that they should've just kept it as the ending theme (For the DVD/Japanese version, not the CN version, obviously) and not even bothered with River and Find the Way.

Demonic Raven

03-26-2005, 10:45 AM

The druggies had some pretty hilarious lines this episode. "Hey! Hey! Hey!" (Fat Albert?), "TARGETS!", and let's not forget those "Pretty lights". :p

Well, there were two highlights for me. First being the nukes going off and blowing up...alot. "Pretty lights" indeed. The second highlight was Genesis. Dear god Genesis rocks.

Low points...there were two major ones. First being stock footage (er...and stock music. Too much of that Anna ni one). Waaaay too much stock footage. They probably threw out every possible one they had as long as it was in space. Second low point was the Meteors. Incredibly cheesy (Yummy!).

I hope we see more of Genesis, less of Meteors, and Natarle kick Azrael in the nuts or something. Heh ;)

8/10

rubberchicken

03-26-2005, 10:49 AM

Their whole thing is a blue clean pure world. Blue blooded is just an evolvement off that I guess.

"Blue blooded" is generally a term used for rich upperclass types. Don't see how that applies here, though.

Shogun373

03-26-2005, 11:14 AM

Well, hot damn. Everyone is screwed.

I hope Flay guts Natarle and Azrael. She's the best character in the show for a reason. I'm so desperate to see everything come together.

Yzak's really interesting at the end warning Justice and Freedom to get out of the way, too.

So, how bout that GENESIS?
I don't think Flay is the best character in the show. Athrun is a lot more wise and patient. I agree, I can't wait for the entire thing to come together. I was really surprise that Yzak warned Kira and Athrun, I guess he has realized that they are fighting on a neutral side and not with the Earth Alliance.

Riza Hawkeye

03-26-2005, 01:24 PM

Wow...Genesis...blast...

JESUS, THAT THING IS FREAKIN' HUGE! :eek:

Must have picture of it! Please! For the good of the world! I've got to go to work so I don't have to time do edits, but most edits were during the EA nuclear attack on Boaz.

GENESIS 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap157.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap155.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap156.jpg)

Timmay

03-26-2005, 03:08 PM

The thing I like about this show is that the characters you hated when it started(Yzak and Dearka primarily) end up being characters you like.

Freedom Fighter

03-26-2005, 05:06 PM

Six characters? depends on whether you're talking about main or secondary..Both. Any character that has a name. If I was talking everyone in the show... well, considering a whole lot more than 6 died in this week's episode alone... we're in for a whole lot of death.

FlyByNite77

03-26-2005, 08:14 PM

Seems odd watching stuff on toonami like the Clone Wars right now and the dialogue is able to include "blah is dead. They've died." etc... :anime:

When in Gundam Seed all we get is that the person is 'gone' and its not their time to go somewhere...:D

Shogun373

03-26-2005, 09:19 PM

FlyByNite77

03-26-2005, 09:26 PM

Can you rephrase that???That I don't understand why stuff can air on the same toonami block as Gundam Seed did and gets away with far less editing than Gundam Seed did.

solarflere

03-26-2005, 09:33 PM

That I don't understand why stuff can air on the same toonami block as Gundam Seed did and gets away with far less editing than Gundam Seed did. There is no need to edit it because Star Wars Clone Wars is a Cartoon Network/lucasfilm production. They make it and they know how to do what they need to do.

FlyByNite77

03-26-2005, 09:41 PM

There is no need to edit it because Star Wars Clone Wars is a Cartoon Network/lucasfilm production. They make it and they know how to do what they need to do.More like CN isn't going to TELL LUCASFILMS what to do. They're happy as hell to have it on their network :p

solarflere

03-26-2005, 09:51 PM

More like CN isn't going to TELL LUCASFILMS what to do. They're happy as hell to have it on their network :p Actualy its a CN production/animation with lucasfilm permissions for using their content and trademarks.

Ultra8

03-27-2005, 12:22 AM

So now Rau's goal comes to light. With Azreal firing nukes at the Plants and Zala about to fire Genesis (whoa :eek: that's certainly big) at the EA fleet, it's not a good place for the Archangel and Co. to be stuck in the middle.

Poor Flay will you ever get to applogize to Kira, and poor Natarle now seeing just how psycho Azreal truly is.
Can't wait to see the Carnage next eps.:evil: :D

10/10

Nextweek: Looks like the proverbial **** hits the windmills and wipes out all of Holland. This doesn't look good for Kira and co.

FlyByNite77

03-27-2005, 12:23 AM

In your face FlyByNite w/e. You got owned!!!!Guess so. Still would like to know why then CN itself decides its ok for Clone Wars to allow stuff then when Gundam Seed has to be edited for toonami at 10:30PM at night its got stricter standards.

KuwabaraTheMan

03-27-2005, 12:27 AM

Bandai produced the edited dialogue. CN's responsible for the gun, blood, and sex related edits, but nothing dialogue related.

FlyByNite77

03-27-2005, 12:38 AM

Bandai produced the edited dialogue. CN's responsible for the gun, blood, and sex related edits, but nothing dialogue related.But didn't Bandai do the language edit because CN told them it had to meet TV-Y7 standards?

Or did they decide they wanted seed to be TV-Y7?

G1Ravage

03-27-2005, 01:53 AM

But didn't Bandai do the language edit because CN told them it had to meet TV-Y7 standards?

Or did they decide they wanted seed to be TV-Y7?
CN probably told them to have an edited script recorded while at the same time dubbing the uncut version. Bandai and CN may have already known Seed was destined for Toonami, so they made the edited dub at the same time so they wouldn't have to bother Ocean again. That's my theory. Especially since an edited line accidentally made it onto the DVDs.

William C. Maune

03-27-2005, 02:10 AM

But didn't Bandai do the language edit because CN told them it had to meet TV-Y7 standards?

Or did they decide they wanted seed to be TV-Y7?

CN likely gives Bandai general standards, but ultimately it is up to Bandai if they are the ones doing the dubbing. For comparison, CN also tells Funimation to meet TV-Y7 standards with Yu Yu Hakusho, yet all kinds of "die" and "kill" type words are heard in that show.

Daikun

03-27-2005, 05:29 AM

GENESIS 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap156.jpg)
That's the one!

Thanks. :D

Shogun373

03-27-2005, 08:13 AM

Guess so. Still would like to know why then CN itself decides its ok for Clone Wars to allow stuff then when Gundam Seed has to be edited for toonami at 10:30PM at night its got stricter standards.Good point. Unless, they have realized the Japanimation (anime) is gaining too much power in the US and will soon take over the minds of innocent american children. Thats why they must leave Clone Wars uncut: For the preservation of our Red, White, and Blue America!!!!!!

solarflere

03-27-2005, 08:33 AM

The problem is, there are no rules or guidelines or standards how much to edit and how much it too much or not enough. Everyone is doing it on their own discretion, and tries to meet the censorship of the host network.

Duke

03-27-2005, 11:24 AM

Guess so. Still would like to know why then CN itself decides its ok for Clone Wars to allow stuff then when Gundam Seed has to be edited for toonami at 10:30PM at night its got stricter standards.
Anime is, was, and forever will be edited more harshly than network originals.

Though network original anime is something different entirely.

Rurouni Kenshin

03-27-2005, 11:26 AM

Good point. Unless, they have realized the Japanimation (anime) is gaining too much power in the US and will soon take over the minds of innocent american children. Thats why they must leave Clone Wars uncut: For the preservation of our Red, White, and Blue America!!!!!!
Nice:)

Duke

03-27-2005, 12:03 PM

Nobody noticed my SEED Destiny poll option... :(

Though I never counted on the "pretty lights" option to actually be in the episode... :P

Demonic Raven

03-27-2005, 12:43 PM

Though network original anime is something different entirely. It still works the same as any other network original. They wouldn't create something they would have to go back and edit later...I imagine original Anime is no different.

HellCat

03-27-2005, 01:10 PM

I think there are some cultural reasons to consider in this discussion

1) Sunrise are very cautious of upsetting/alienating Western/US viewers. They proved this with how they handled a good chunk of the G Gundam renames

2) Clone Wars and similar shows (such as the DC stuff) has something anime generally lacks in the US- a cultural connection. Just about everyone knows Star Wars and what it's about. It's safe to say there's probably a lot more people rooting for a decent Star Wars animation then there is an accurate SEED dub.

Shogun373

03-27-2005, 01:54 PM

ajac

03-27-2005, 02:41 PM

Geez we nuke japan twice 50 years ago and thier still hating nuclear weapons :) on a serious note good episode as usual forgot to set my dvr to tape it though but still got to see it.

Cheesecake

03-27-2005, 02:58 PM

It still works the same as any other network original. They wouldn't create something they would have to go back and edit later...I imagine original Anime is no different.
Well i think soccer moms and others distrust anime so much and analyse it with a fine tooth comb, while a star wars cartoon is probabrly dismiseed as " harmless american fantasy stuff" thus they can get away with a lot more.

Shogun373

03-27-2005, 03:06 PM

Geez we nuke japan twice 50 years ago and thier still hating nuclear weapons :) on a serious note good episode as usual forgot to set my dvr to tape it though but still got to see it.
Dude, nuclear weapons are terrible things that we must oppose, dislike, and avoid to use. I want to see your face if your country gets nuked.

FlyByNite77

03-27-2005, 03:42 PM

Geez we nuke japan twice 50 years ago and thier still hating nuclear weapons :) on a serious note good episode as usual forgot to set my dvr to tape it though but still got to see it.Umm I think that's a good reason right there. What country has first hand experience with the pain caused by the awesome destructiveness of nuclear weapons?

Only Japan does.

D.Shaffer

03-27-2005, 05:35 PM

So let me get this straight...they've had these Meteor add ons the entire time, and only NOW they're breaking them out?

GWOtaku

03-27-2005, 05:46 PM

The METEOR's are attached the Eteranl (edit: not the Kusunagi, Aaaah got my ships mixed up!). They can be detached to be used by Freedom and Justice, but as I understand it that means that much less firepower for the ship itself.

shadowstrain

03-27-2005, 07:32 PM

The METEOR's are attached the Kusunagi. They can be detached to be used by Freedom and Justice, but as I understand it that means that much less firepower for the ship itself.
I don't consider that much of a problem since Freedom and Justice combined with the METEORs easily outclass the Eternal in mobility.

rubberchicken

03-27-2005, 08:43 PM

So let me get this straight...they've had these Meteor add ons the entire time, and only NOW they're breaking them out?

They had to wait for the appropriate dramatic moment. It's the George McClellan school of military strategy.

Duke

03-27-2005, 09:16 PM

So let me get this straight...they've had these Meteor add ons the entire time, and only NOW they're breaking them out?
The METEOR units have been attached to the Eternal (not the Kusanagi) the entire time, but they weren't properly equipped or anything. I suspect that's why Freedom and Justice weren't launched much earlier by ZAFT. They weren't fully ready for use until Episode 46, but Freedom was a wreck and it was too easy for it to get picked off while in mid-battle (not to mention that the Justice and Freedom were far away from Eternal at the time).

Basically, this is the first time they've had a real chance to use them. Supposedly 2 months pass between Episodes 46 and 47, so who knows if they were used during that timespan or not?

rubberchicken

03-27-2005, 09:36 PM

Maybe they forgot they were there.

I'm serious. Hasn't anybody ever had one of those experiences where you decide you have to write something down and then look all over the place for your pen, only to discover that it was IN YOUR HAND the whole time? Damn embarrassing. No wonder they wouldn't want to admit to it on camera.

KuwabaraTheMan

03-27-2005, 09:40 PM

One time at a traffic light I was frantically searching for my keys before realizing they were in the ignition.:o

FlyByNite77

03-27-2005, 09:54 PM

Supposedly 2 months pass between Episodes 46 and 47, so who knows if they were used during that timespan or not?Yea, that's probably the real reason there.

according to the official timeline the events with the dominion battling the archangel for the first time at Mendel Colony, then Rau's reveal inside and then the conclusion of the battle with Flay going in her escape pod to the Archangel all took place on July 12th.

Reverand Malchio then has the Junk Guild join up with the three-ship alliance and deilver supplies and what not.

The EA doesn't actually attack Boaz with the nukes until September 23, although they launched the operation September 11th.

So almost 2 months pass in the Gundam Official Timeline which you would NEVER EVER REALIZE from watching the show :p

Seriously, first time I looked at this thing I was shocked at some of the time gaps.

Demonic Raven

03-27-2005, 10:05 PM

One time at a traffic light I was frantically searching for my keys before realizing they were in the ignition.:o...

I was about to say "looking for your hat when it's already on your head" but damn...hard to top that one. :p

Anime 51

03-27-2005, 10:43 PM

they launched the operation September 11th.I'll give the producers the benefit of the doubt and assume that's just a coincidence.

Seriously, do you think the EA would have tried to nuke the PLANTs if they knew about GENESIS?

solarflere

03-27-2005, 11:06 PM

YES, they fired before they found out about GENESIS, METEORS stoped the missiles. Even though GENESIS was going through activation procedure after the Battle of Boaz, EA had no idea about it, and PLANTs were their next target, and then Jachin Due.

Vallen Valiant

03-27-2005, 11:09 PM

I'll give the producers the benefit of the doubt and assume that's just a coincidence...
The 'Bloody Valentine' occured on Valentines day... I don't see any connections there either.

Sep 11 is a special date, true. But things are different in other countries...

Anyway, everyone knows a major military operation should occur either on a public holiday/special event to make a point, or on a Friday so the Press would have less available staff to cover it. (Hitler begins his conquest on Friday, as is Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.)

Will Sturnick

03-27-2005, 11:12 PM

I'll give the producers the benefit of the doubt and assume that's just a coincidence.
I wouldn't. Fukuda admitted that he's mirroring Destiny plot points after present day occurences, so I wouldn't be surprised if he used picked Sept. 11 as a parallel for a day of tragedy/terror (or in SEED's case a near tragedy).

rubberchicken

03-27-2005, 11:32 PM

Will Sturnick

03-28-2005, 07:02 AM

Except that it hardly parallels real life; September 11th, 2001 was a real tragedy that united the world, whereas SEED's version was narrowly averted but underscored the irreconcilable differences between the enemies.
I know. I should have been clearer. What I meant was that perhaps Fukuda chose the date on purpose because of what it was in real world and how in the SEED it was the exact opposite.

G1Ravage

03-29-2005, 02:47 AM

Now that I go back and rewatch Seed from the beginning, I see that DaCosta's been one of Waltfeld's top men since back in the eps the Archangel was marooned in Africa.

lostrune

03-29-2005, 08:21 PM

1. After what Flay went thru, they put her back to work already?! :ack:

2. Heh, anti-nuclear. How Japanese. :D

Eh, that's about it.

Michael

03-30-2005, 11:57 AM

Good epsiode, but wiat the best is yet to come :)

KuwabaraTheMan

03-30-2005, 01:38 PM

Indeed. I just saw the last three episodes a couple days ago, and they are intense.

Rurouni Kenshin

03-30-2005, 03:12 PM

I heard that the last two episodes of this show are really bad, is that true?

Rurouni Kenshin

03-30-2005, 03:16 PM

I made the "Gundam Seed", "Only on" and the "Toonami" images, but the pics i got by searching on google, i just put them all together to make that :)

Oh and I am officially 14 here in MD yay!!!
Awesome picture, I just wish that Seed was still on Toonami.

Duke

03-30-2005, 03:19 PM

I heard that the last two episodes of this show are really bad, is that true?
Depends on who you talk to. The consensus seems to be that, regardless of whether it was good or bad, it is rushed.

Rurouni Kenshin

03-30-2005, 03:27 PM

Depends on who you talk to. The consensus seems to be that, regardless of whether it was good or bad, it is rushed.
Does anyone know why they rushed it, why not just pan it out a few more episodes?

Duke

03-30-2005, 03:32 PM

Does anyone know why they rushed it, why not just pan it out a few more episodes?
No "traditional" Gundam series goes past 50 episodes. Likely they didn't have the budget.

ohmrbill

03-30-2005, 03:32 PM

I heard that the last two episodes of this show are really bad, is that true?
The last two episodes are my favorite in the series. So I would say no, that's not true.

HellCat

03-30-2005, 03:33 PM

Does anyone know why they rushed it, why not just pan it out a few more episodes?
Poor pacing early on. They couldn't ask for more episodes as Japan has very tight schedules- a show ends one week, next week another new one replaces it.

Riza Hawkeye

03-30-2005, 04:29 PM

Poor pacing early on. They couldn't ask for more episodes as Japan has very tight schedules- a show ends one week, next week another new one replaces it.
I just thought I'd chime in that SEED was replaced by Fullmetal Alchemist and when FMA ended its run, Gundam SEED Destiny replaced it.

FlyByNite77

03-30-2005, 05:00 PM

Does feel rushed because A LOT of stuff will happen in the last 3 episodes, but I also really enjoyed it so I wouldn't say its bad.

Vallen Valiant

03-30-2005, 06:41 PM

Does anyone know why they rushed it, why not just pan it out a few more episodes?Actually, I was observing the Japanese TV release dates...
(I had forgotten where I got this from, so this might be wrong...)

There was a two-week break of Gundam Seed episodes due to a 'special event' on TV at the time, near the end of the series. Gundam Seed was suppose to have 52 episodes, but someone stuffed up and forgot to put the 'break' time into account, so they had to cram 4-5 episodes into 2-3 episodes... With an added 5-min ending in the DVD version...

(The 'break' was genuine. I have the Japanese Newtype Magazine to prove it.)

And there was NO WAY FMA was going to be delayed... Japanese people has a thing about keeping order...

HellCat

03-30-2005, 07:09 PM

Actually, I was observing the Japanese TV release dates...
(I had forgotten where I got this from, so this might be wrong...)

There was a two-week break of Gundam Seed episodes due to a 'special event' on TV at the time, near the end of the series. Gundam Seed was suppose to have 52 episodes, but someone stuffed up and forgot to put the 'break' time into account, so they had to cram 4-5 episodes into 2-3 episodes... With an added 5-min ending in the DVD version...

(The 'break' was genuine. I have the Japanese Newtype Magazine to prove it.)

And there was NO WAY FMA was going to be delayed... Japanese people has a thing about keeping order...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 52 episode number was fan speculation based on schedule slots. I don't believe we ever got anything official on that being the intended number, just like we have no idea how many eps Destiny is lined up for.

Saito

03-30-2005, 08:18 PM

there are 25 Phases in Gundam Seed Destiny
or if you're a noob to Gundam Seed to the Episodes
Gundam Seed-50 Phases
Gundam Seed Destiny-25 Phases

Riza Hawkeye

03-30-2005, 08:22 PM

there are 25 Phases in Gundam Seed Destiny
or if you're a noob to Gundam Seed to the Episodes
Gundam Seed-50 Phases
Gundam Seed Destiny-25 Phases Technically there are 51 in SEED, counting the 5 minute special episode at the end, on the last DVD. And thus far, SEED Destiny has 23 Phases. It's not clear exactly how many there will be, but it will like be 50.

Scirel

03-30-2005, 08:24 PM

Saito

03-30-2005, 08:24 PM

oh yeah i forgot about it but thanks though Riza

Duke

03-30-2005, 08:52 PM

GSD seems to be crazy popular in japan, seriously, from what I heard, the japanese version of TRL had an episode dedicated to its Ops and Eds, and is topping pretty much every popularity list there is. I wouldn`t be surprised at all at a third series.
I wouldn't be surprised if, after this, we get a mini-OAV of some kind. And a movie to wrap everything up Char's Counterattack-style.

I wonder if Freedom will be in that movie...

FlyByNite77

03-30-2005, 08:52 PM

Um..wha?

GSD is only UP TO 24(on saturday) in japan, and is in no way gonna end anytime soon. Though GSD will probably end around 50.

GSD seems to be crazy popular in japan, seriously, from what I heard, the japanese version of TRL had an episode dedicated to its Ops and Eds, and is topping pretty much every popularity list there is. I wouldn`t be surprised at all at a third series.Actually through the first 22 episodes of Gundam Seed it averaged a 6.25% in viewership. So far Destiny is averaging a 5.28% viewership.

So it's not doing as well as Seed.

Scirel

03-30-2005, 08:56 PM

The last ratings reports we had were for Febuary, right? We don`t know how well 20-23 did.

FlyByNite77

03-30-2005, 09:05 PM

The last ratings reports we had were for Febuary, right? We don`t know how well 20-23 did.That was through episode 22. I don't know what the latest episode(23) did though.

Scirel

03-30-2005, 09:10 PM

Where did you find that? Gunota only posted up to ep 16.

Rurouni Kenshin

03-31-2005, 11:41 AM

I still don't get how they were able to make the nukes so fast.

KuwabaraTheMan

03-31-2005, 12:06 PM

As mentioned earlier this thread and on the official site, there was a two month gap. That's rather fast for making nukes, but they most likely had a huge surplus around from before the N-Jammers were made and simply needed that time to get them all equiped with the N-Jammer Canceller.

Neo-Era

03-31-2005, 01:37 PM

Where did you find that? Gunota only posted up to ep 16.

People are posting them on Japanese messageboards as they can find the ratings on MBS' cellphone site the following week after the episode is broadcast.

We've been posting ratings from Newtype but being that the ratings posted from MBS' site seem to be accurate, we may start going with that instead. Though I'm not too concerned with posting individual ratings so much as making a note of them so we can get the high, low, and average after the show is done.

FlyByNite77

03-31-2005, 04:59 PM

People are posting them on Japanese messageboards as they can find the ratings on MBS' cellphone site the following week after the episode is broadcast.

We've been posting ratings from Newtype but being that the ratings posted from MBS' site seem to be accurate, we may start going with that instead. Though I'm not too concerned with posting individual ratings so much as making a note of them so we can get the high, low, and average after the show is done.Yea, I had gotten them second-hand through a posting on another board so while I can't guarantee they're 100% accurate they have seemed to be the same ratings that get posted by Gunota as they catch up.