What do you want from life?

[Fone Bone]

No pie polls, or monkey fun this time but I've been thinking.

As some of you know I spent four years in a State Hospital. It was no fun and crappy and I still have nightmares. But I still keep in touch with two of the people who were there with me.

One of them called me today and we were talking. It's very sad that other than the fact that we made each other stronger people in there and looked out for each other how little we have in common these days. But there is one thing that got me thinking.

My friend is turning 30 next week. I'll hit that number at the end of September. I didn't really see what the big deal was with turning thirty but my friend was kind of bummed about it. I asked why and she said she wasn't really happy where she was at that point in her life. She felt as if she had accomplished nothing. Now don't kid yourself. Spending three or four years in a Institution in your early twenties not only eats up a huge chunk of your life but the point of your life when most people are out becoming successful or falling in love.

She's never really recovered from that and I realized that I haven't either. I live in my own apartment and I'm relatively independant but I don't have a job or a girlfriend or even friends I hang out with. Part of me knows that because of my OCD there is no way I'd be successful at a job (I'm scared to leave my apartment usually) but I sometimes feel like I'm just coasting by on the system. True, the system is what screwed me over in the first place. But I had ASPIRATIONS when I was a teenager.

I was GOING to be a cartoonist. I have my own stable of characters and stories I made up as a kid and I developed them as a teenager. I was going to go to art school and get ANY job I could find in cartooning or design. But I no longer have that drive. I rarely work on my cartoons anymore and when I do I always think that most people would think they suck.

I'm not writing this as an invitation to pity. Honest. What I AM curious about is if there are other people here who's lives didn't turn out the way they planned and how they cope with that. Is it possible to be happy when you are constantly rewriting your life in your own mind? That if ONE thing had turned out different the chain of events in your life would BE different and you would be happier. Is it just me going through that?

[Phantasm]

What I AM curious about is if there are other people here who's lives didn't turn out the way they planned and how they cope with that. Is it possible to be happy when you are constantly rewriting your life in your own mind? That if ONE thing had turned out different the chain of events in your life would BE different and you would be happier. Is it just me going through that?
With life comes a constant battle to survive.. And after thinking about the topic for a long while I've sort of come to the conclusion that to live means to fight.There are uncountable number of forces at work against us, at many various levels of life and just so we keep on living, we keep on this never ending combat.

On a basic biological level, we have that microscopic battle with pathogens of all sorts. All naturally programmed to invade or bodies and start to destroy whatever they get their tiny... cilia/flagellas/pseudopodias on.To counterattack, we get out our own line of defense and so the battle begisn.After spending hours producing antibodies, we emerge victorious.But it doesn't end there. That's just one antigen we've contained, we have SO much more to conquer.

The next most prominet way nature throws its will against us with the natural disasters. How many times did we have to try to turn our lives around after getting hit by a massive natural disaster. We try to combat the force.But even after buiding modern building, there still is and always will be fear regading what disaster mother nature has in store for us next.

Then there's our struggle against society. Everything we do and say is largely influenced/forced by the will of the people we live amidst.How many times have we succumed to the will of those around us because if we don't we'll be kicked out, be it literal or figurative.

And if that's not enough, we have ourselves to struggle against. There are many hurdles our personality has to pass in order to do what we want it to do. At times our personality may not be up to doing what we want it to.Always trying to be good enough, always trying to just improve that one bit.

With all these forces and many more, pulling us apart at many different levels we sometimes can't help but succumb to the consequence of falling prey to the predators nature has set for us.And in the process we end up indulging in activities these forces have charted out for us. Our hopes,dreams, wants all get...lost in this never ending constant struggle.We loose sight, determination only because at a particular point and time we need to focus all our will and energy to solve the next hurdle nature/life throws our way.By the time we are done with it, we are suddenly struck with the terrible feeling of failing.Though we may have surpassed all the hurdles in our way, and done our best to emerge unscathed from the disasters nature has set for us, we haven't done anything for ourselves. We were all caught up doing what nature forced us to do.

Okay, at this point I realize what I've typed up above is probably all irrelevant babble:sweat: , but the thing is, life isn't really designed such so we accomplish what we want to.It is more about us accomplishing what it wants us to.All the rest is just us mere humans trying to make sense, give meaning to this never ending struggle.:sad:

And yes, at 18 I've lived through my share of disapointments. I realize I'm not, at this stage of my life, what I wanted to be, but what life has molded me out to be.

[guinaevere]

What I AM curious about is if there are other people here who's lives didn't turn out the way they planned and how they cope with that. Yes, I'm one of them. That's for certain.

How do I cope? I don't know exactly. I love my Mum and my little brother. I'm blessed that we're so close as we are. I'd like to have a life of my own, but that's just not how it is right now. So, I make the most of the way things are.


Is it possible to be happy when you are constantly rewriting your life in your own mind? Absolutely. Though I admit that for the most part, it's easy for me. I'm naturally a more optomistic type person. I have a great deal of fun just daydreaming, and talking to strangers in shopping queues.


That if ONE thing had turned out different the chain of events in your life would BE different and you would be happier. Isn't that true of EVERYone? I doubt anyone can look back and second guess the course of their life, "if only this or that..."

I'm very frustrated with myself that I've not gotten to go to college yet. My Dad raised me with the knowledge that I have a good brain, and am capable of going into whatever field I'd wish to. My Dad had a sudden heart attack and died about a month before I was to start college. It changed everything. And despite family circumstances, I know I could at least have squeezed in some evening classes here and there... So I feel like a huge disappointment to my Father when I dwell on that subject.

Also, with my ex... Everyone warned me about the guy. Made a very bad choice. If I had been a tad more rational and made a better decision, I'd be a LOT better off financially, if not in other ways, too. But there it is. It's happened. It's over. We move on.


Is it just me going through that? I'm telling you, Fone, it's SO easy to get caught up in second guessing and doubt. It can be good to an extent. When one uses it for productive ends, to learn and grow and not make the same mistakes (if, mistakes they are). But it can also pull you into a pit of well, self-pity and despondency.

Don't know how much that helps. =\

[Sailor Chibi Otaku]

Well, my 25th is fast approaching. I haven't done what I want to do yet: travel, write, act, you know, to get known, have a better paying job.

The basic things, really.

[cross blues]

One of them called me today and we were talking. It's very sad that other than the fact that we made each other stronger people in there and looked out for each other how little we have in common these days. strange how that happens, isn't it? you needed someone and so did she. now neither of you do, so it seems like you've grown apart when you were probably (and I stress probably because I don't know for sure) never close to begin with. at least that's how I remember those things happening with me.

I honestly don't feel like there's anything I could get from this life that would make me happy. I'm in college trying to get a degree, but why? so I can make money, have a good job, nice house, support a family... no, no, no, no. the thought of those things doesn't bring even a hint of happiness to me. so not only is my life not what I hoped for, but life itself does not seem to bring me happiness. eh... :sad: you touched on a sensitive subject for me. what I mean to say is, I don't have the drive or incentive to accomplish anything because I don't think anything could make me happy. I can't think of anything that's worth doing. I don't want anything from life.

your friend shouldn't feel bad about not having accomplished anything. she overcame something more difficult than most people will ever deal with.

[Fone Bone]

strange how that happens, isn't it? you needed someone and so did she. now neither of you do, so it seems like you've grown apart when you were probably (and I stress probably because I don't know for sure) never close to begin with. at least that's how I remember those things happening with me. No we were tight for as long as we knew each other. I still adore her and she still loves me we just don't have that much in common anymore.


I honestly don't feel like there's anything I could get from this life that would make me happy. I'm in college trying to get a degree, but why? so I can make money, have a good job, nice house, support a family... no, no, no, no. the thought of those things doesn't bring even a hint of happiness to me. so not only is my life not what I hoped for, but life itself does not seem to bring me happiness. eh... :sad: you touched on a sensitive subject for me. what I mean to say is, I don't have the drive or incentive to accomplish anything because I don't think anything could make me happy. I can't think of anything that's worth doing. I don't want anything from life. Good to know I'm not the only person feeling this way.


your friend shouldn't feel bad about not having accomplished anything. she overcame something more difficult than most people will ever deal with.Come to think of it so did I! Whoo hoo! Go me!

Thank you also Gwen, Phantasm, Sailor Chibi Otaku, and Saiyra-Inro (who PMed me). You guys are neat.

[Czar Gato]

Dang, Foney, that very subject has been on my mind a lot lately. I have a new "dream life" pretty much every month, it seems. Recently, it was a comic-book artist/author. Then it was an anthropologist, a horse trainer, an actress. Part of me would like a family, but the other, more reasonable half keeps reminding me that I probably would keep my sanity and happiness longer if I stayed single. I would like to be a sociable, well-liked person with lots of friends, but then I realize that I'm at peace most when I'm by myself. I'm hitting the age and point of my life where I need to start making decisions about my future, but all of my daydreams and desires get mixed up and confuse me.

Things are on the up-and-up now, though. In the last few months, I've actually been seriously thinking about entering law enforcement, possibly even following in my dad's footsteps and becoming an FBI agent. Of course, he doesn't want me to (at this point, I don't know if it's because he doesn't think I am strong enough/can't handle it or if he is concerned for my safety, though it's probably a combo of the two). For once in my life, though, I feel like I have a shot at it. Everything else I've wanted to do I've always had a voice in the back of my mind saying, "It'll never happen, don't be silly"; in this ccase it's saying, "hey, maybe you've got a chance at making it this time; go for it!" As far as short-term goals, I'll be going to George Mason U. starting next year (I've been taking this past year off from work/school because of depression and just being overall burned out).

I guess, in the long run, I just want to be happy; I just have to figure out what will make me that way first!

[guinaevere]

I guess, in the long run, I just want to be happy; I just have to figure out what will make me that way first! I'll give you a hint... As corny and cliche as it is, it's generally not a thing that you aquire or a goal that you finally reach that brings happiness.

[Chad Bonin]

I want Teh Ladies.

[Batman91]

Hmm... what do I want from life?Well to tell you the truth a life.I was diagnosed with leukemia in 1999 and then I was in remission for 14 months.Then in March 2004 I relapsed again.I don't see my friends anymore and most of the time I can't leave the house.I've had leukemia for six years now and I just want it over with.So Fone Bone I know how you feel.

[Elven Moon]

Pardon me if I ramble, but it's 2 am and my mind is a tad frizzy.


Well, to be to the point, I'm 24 and already dreading the rest of my life. I honestly don't think much of ANYTHING would make me happy. After I graduate college (for the second time) then what do I do? Get stuck with some office monkey job? Thanks but no thanks. Marriage is not in my plans and I've never even been on a date. I don't know where I want to live, or how I want to live - I don't think I could live alone but people drive me crazy, so what am I to do? I'm thinking about Virginia, or possibly moving to England and getting duel citizinship. But I think even then, surrounded by awesome accents and ancient castles, I still won't be happy. It seems like every month I have another kind of 'happiness' in mind for myself, but it changes quickly. It's discouraging and makes me feel miserable. Argh...

[Peter Paltridge]

I was GOING to be a cartoonist. I have my own stable of characters and stories I made up as a kid and I developed them as a teenager. I was going to go to art school and get ANY job I could find in cartooning or design. But I no longer have that drive. I rarely work on my cartoons anymore and when I do I always think that most people would think they suck.
Fone Bone, kick that inner voice's butt! Throw it in the closet and never talk to it again! If people think they suck, then take input, work hard and make them better. Keep working and never give up! But since you've already given up.....UN-give-up!

What I want out of life is success. Not necessarily financial success (well, I want to make a living) but recognition success. The "Oh, that guy? I love his work; he's my favorite cartoonist. You should go talk to him!" kind of success. Respect success.
You have to earn respect, because the world doesn't care if you're dead. You've got to prove you're worthy of having the world care. I feel I'm nearly there, which is exciting. It's still up in the air, but I've now reached the point in my career where I can confidently send things out and know they'll make a large impression. It's a nice feeling, and Fone, you should work for it too.

There were a lot of times where Jeff Smith could have given up, you know... ;)

[Kuja's Light]

I've set out to be a person to help others be happy. If I can help someone smile, or jsut have their day go a little smoother oir end on a bright note, I'll be there. I feel I've succeed for some people.

Feelings dreams aside, I'd like to one day work in a company orsomehting. I'l going to college very soon for Computer Networking so I feel it'll be possible one day. I don't want to forget my dreams...

Oh hey Fone Bone, if you want, you may copy and paste that message I gave ya into here. Basicially, it's somehting I'd like many people to know, although I thought of you first for the message my friend.

[G. Wen]

Biologically speaking, the point of life is to reproduce.:p But there's more to life than biology, or we'll all die after we spawn, like some insects and fish.

Fone, life rarely goes just the way you plan it, but if you work hard enough, you will go the general direction you want to go. I wanted to be a design major at UCLA, I ended up as an art major at UC Davis. And you know what? I'm happy, even if it's not what I planned.

I guess you can try to find someone with similar a OCD and who also wants to become an artist, and you two can work through it together. (I know this may be easier said than done, but I'm no shrink so I don't know what else to say.)

The book of Ecclesiastes says the only happiness is when man finds joy in his toils, because you can't take anything else w/ you when you die. You can't take money, fame, your friends, or family to the grave with you.

[Fone Bone]

Hmm... what do I want from life?Well to tell you the truth a life.I was diagnosed with leukemia in 1999 and then I was in remission for 14 months.Then in March 2004 I relapsed again.I don't see my friends anymore and most of the time I can't leave the house.I've had leukemia for six years now and I just want it over with.So Fone Bone I know how you feel.Dude, that sucks. Oh, man. I hope you get better. You are definately in my prayers.

[sun]

Looking at this thread shows us how hard it can be, just to live one day at a time, often, with nothing to see but fog. We hope the fog lifts, sometimes it does , but it smetimes it comes back, and lifts again. My heart is out to Batman 91, and of course to Fonebone for starting this thread.
We have seen here, people who have overcome, and are overcoming difficulties that most people never dream of.(that has already been said) And we often do not give them and us the pat on the back that comes with courage and strength that keeps us going, when there appears to be no hope.
If I had the answer, I'd give it--People here, have shown us what truth, and courage are...Our society admires the money, and forgets those who have what money can't buy...To me, some happiness, friends, hope and faith--Thru friends, we can find love, but love isn't what we often see in movies, love is that strength that carried you thru (some call that strength-God) the and connection with those that made just getting thru possible...My strongest hope is that we can just keep trekken along.. the things we seek may be there when we least expect it...Lets hang in there .Stuart

[Style]

I'm really sorry to see that you are discouraged, Fone Bone. Man, and I thought I was having a hard week. You know, busy at college and at home having to take care of my crippled mom with arthritis has actually kept me from seeing an old friend of 10 years who happened to be in town for the first time in a year RIGHT when I was too busy to see him.:sad:

But, Fone, Things will get better. They ALWAYS get better. I've gotten massively discouraged a lot, but things always seemed to pull through. I'm grateful for the friends I have mostly. That includes you. I don't know what I'd do without you and the toonzone guys to pull me through!:)

I'm sorry to hear that your discouraged on your cartoon characters. Doing something creative can be hard. I've been fiddling around with my own Superhero for 10 years, and my characters are all real to me and believeable and live in a dense and interesting world. But I'm afraid to do anything with it.
As for you, if you want to pursue cartooning again, I think you should, and not let yourself be discouraged by what other people think. Knowing you, they're great! and people would love them! I know I would! And if they don't, that's just cause they can't appreciate your genius.

Wow, looking back on the post, it seemed more self-centered than I meant it to be. But hey, were all going through this thing called life together, so we should pull it together help each other!

Fone Bone, you are one of the best people I've known, and am lucky to have you as a friend! Here's hoping you have a good day...

[Kuja's Light]

I mentioned in a PM to Fone Bone, that I'm behind his back always as a friend, and like a brother. I just want to let everyone know no matter how hard it gets, I'll be supportive if need be to everyone. We all should hold out a helping hand.

Of all the big name forums I've went to, TZ is constantly the friendliest. while there can be silly disputes at times, and some flaming at times, overall TZ is a big family. I'm glad to be apart of that.

[ToOn~g@l]

Well what I want from life is to get a good job that will keep me financially secure for the rest of my life so that when I retire I don't have to worry about going broke. That's always an important thing.

I also want to go to a good college, sure I'm going to Disney college but thats only going to be for five months, then I have to go somewhere else where hopefully I will decide what I want to major in and that that college will help me prepare for what lies ahead in the future.

I don't want to get married but if I do end up meeting some guy that will sweep me off my feet then I would want him to do things with me, not sit in front of the tv all day like my step dad did when he lived with us, man that was annoying.

What else do I want from life? Well maybe a hug, those are nice.
yeah that's all I really want.

[Watagashi]

I'm only 17, so I haven't reached that point in my life where I have to look back on it all and see what I have or haven't accomplished.

However, my main aim is to live for God and life without regret. With that resolution, I will do what my heart truly wants me to do. That way, I won't have to look back on my life twenty-something years from now and grimace at how I've never fulfilled what I set out to do. So far, I'm doing a pretty good job, I feel. And I won't settle until I get to the place I want to be. A costly mistake, as I have learned from so many others, is to let yourself settle into a lifestyle you don't really like. If you settle, you're cheating yourself from life. You have to stive forward until you get there, until you find what your heart truly desires. Only then will you feel that your life is fulfilled. At least, that's how I feel. :sweat: Yeah. ^.^;;;;

EDIT: Also, I hope you find what you're looking for in life, Fone Bone. Good luck and never give up! :D

[Phantasm]

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Of all the big name forums I've went to, TZ is constantly the friendliest. while there can be silly disputes at times, and some flaming at times, overall TZ is a big family. I'm glad to be apart of that.
That is SO true. All the other forums, particularly the 'off topic' ones are like an online warzone! I don't know how all the idiots in the world decide to congregate in those places! TZ ROCKS!And its got the best ppl around.:)

[Kuja's Light]

I will say though there is a KH forum I go to, that is a very open community and is friendly. So TZ is one of the rare jems along with that one.

[Style]

That is SO true. All the other forums, particularly the 'off topic' ones are like an online warzone! I don't know how all the idiots in the world decide to congregate in those places! TZ ROCKS!And its got the best ppl around.:)Most of the people in the world ARE idiots. WE are the smart ones!

[HumanoidTyphoon]

What do you want from life? To be able to look back without regret. To be able to say I tried.

Last March I was ready to kill myself because nothing was going as I'd planned and I kept trying to rewrite things as you say. Somehow though I found something I'd lost a long time ago, my sense of happiness, odd as it may be. If you sit around over thinking your situation nothing good will come of it I say. Whenever something isn't going how I planned I try to make the best of it. I try to make everything as fun as possible you may notice this if you read my posts.

I wanted to be a writer of sort. I always think people would think I suck though. Still I enjoy it very much and continue to do it anyway. If you like making cartoons then you should do it.

I’m not sure if this helps…or means anything at all. I hope it does though.=)

[kiddiesunshine]

What do I want from life?

Comfort
Peace
Serenity
Enjoyment

[Fone Bone]

Thanks oldtoonguy and Style 92. I wasn't looking for sympathy though, I was just wondering if other people had been in the same place I am. I'm a relatively happy person even if I don't find where I ended up in life all that fulfilling.

[Chad Bonin]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who wants "Teh Ladies".

[90'sCartoonMan]

I had ASPIRATIONS when I was a teenager.

I was GOING to be a cartoonist. I have my own stable of characters and stories I made up as a kid and I developed them as a teenager. I was going to go to art school and get ANY job I could find in cartooning or design. But I no longer have that drive. I rarely work on my cartoons anymore and when I do I always think that most people would think they suck.

I'm not writing this as an invitation to pity. Honest. What I AM curious about is if there are other people here who's lives didn't turn out the way they planned and how they cope with that. Is it possible to be happy when you are constantly rewriting your life in your own mind? That if ONE thing had turned out different the chain of events in your life would BE different and you would be happier. Is it just me going through that?
I'm going to share something that I've been hesitant to share. Fone, those last two paragraphs sound like something I've been wanting to post here but afraid to. I'm in a similar situation.

Not to sound longwinded, but I had similar aspirations as you when I was a teenager. I wanted to be a writer (I still keep up with my characters, I find them fun and enjoy the places I can take them), so I went to college, majored in English and minored in film. I eventually decided that I want to work in television, and I currently have an internship at a television production place.

However, I don't have a full-time job and I'm not making money. It's discouraging since I'm 22 and in another couple months I will have been out of school for an entire year. I feel like I'm on the path I wanted to be, but at the same time I'm not. At times I'm happy with where I am, but I can't help but to feel a little disappointed. It's hard to make long term plans when I don't know what I'm doing immediately.

::sigh:: Thanks for posting the thread I didn't have the guys to, Fone. And thanks for the words of encouragement Phantasm, sometimes the most important thing in life is to not give up when things aren't going your way. It's always good to keep positive. Anyway, thanks for letting me vent.

[Warrior Kitana]

What do I want most in life above anything else is...happiness.

To be truly satisfied and able to look back on life without any regrets. To accomplish want I want and to be recognized. I too feel that in the last several years, I've been dealing with every hurdle life throws at me. There are times where I've felt very lonely. I don't know many people who can relate to what I'm going through. I have very close few friends, not a boyfriend/love or anything who I can share my most intimate thoughts and feelings with, and on top of that have to deal with the pressures of my daily life. Certain things such as music and material things provide a temporary escape. I can't remember when was the last time I truly felt at peace with myself. I used to love writing fiction and short stories when I was younger, but now I feel that I've lost inspiration and creativity.

This last month, I suffered a death in the family. There also has been many people my age who have passed away, mostly due to car accidents. I've been thinking about what if I don't have a chance to accomplish everything I want in life.

I wish to accomplish my goals and achieve some type of self-fulfillment in my life.

[Ajax]

I honestly don't feel like there's anything I could get from this life that would make me happy. I'm in college trying to get a degree, but why? so I can make money, have a good job, nice house, support a family... no, no, no, no. the thought of those things doesn't bring even a hint of happiness to me. so not only is my life not what I hoped for, but life itself does not seem to bring me happiness. eh... :sad: you touched on a sensitive subject for me. what I mean to say is, I don't have the drive or incentive to accomplish anything because I don't think anything could make me happy. I can't think of anything that's worth doing. I don't want anything from life.

.I may come off a bit strong on what I'm about to say, so sorry. But this is just the stupidiest thing I have ever read. Maybe I don't understand where your coming from. But to say that your life is not what you have hoped for, and to question why you are in college trying to get a degree is just so wrong. There is about a billion people in this world that wished they had your problems, and there is about a billion people that wish they can ***** about why there getting a education. How can you say that life doesn't bring you happiness, I pretty sure you grew up in a somewhat stable home(Hopefully:) ) and you had everything you needed to live, Food, colthes, bed, tv ect. I mean there our people half way around the world that don't even know if there going to eat tommorrow, and your writing about how life doesn't bring you happiness.
But what really got me is when you said

I don't have the drive or incentive to accomplish anything because I don't think anything could make me happy. My father grew up in Mexico dirt poor, in a crappy house where his father beat him and his mother beat him, if anything, from what I read my father had more reasons then you to call it quites. But he didn't, once he was 15 he got 2 jobs, went to school (which wasn't free), you think the things he had to do brought him happiness, hell no! But he did them for himself and made something of his life.

Hey, I don't know you, our know anything about the things that have occured in your life, but if anything, get that crappy mentality out of your head. It's not life's job to bring you happiness, it's your job to go find it. And you shouldn't give up so easily, try to accomplish something in your life regardless if brings you happiness or not. At least then when your time is up and you leave this world you would have done something with your life. Because from what I read, and just read alone, you lived a wasted life, and a wasted life is the wrost thing in the world.

[tucsoncoyote]

Actually after reading this thread, I have to say is this...

Find a niche, Doesn't matter what it is.. just find it..

I'm first off 42, legally blind, and in fact I've been given the short end of the stick a number of times, but you think that stops me? Heck no.. I think Saiya-jinro, and a few others have pointed this out.. You just have to find your niche in life..

I of course have tried a number of things, and in fact I heard some of the lamest excuses from a lot of people, trying to sabotage the dreams that I wanted.. (and No, Knux Five, You aren't the only one who wants a Lady friend, I too want one..(Hey, I'm 42 and Still single!)).

but getting back here.. I might suggest to anyone who feels this way.. To "Find a Niche" I really think that's the key..(I mean my niche is my very imaginative mind.. I write stories, I color, and yes, I lead a group of People who are interested in making things better for Animation..(after all you gotta find out what your strengths are..)

I mean I don't want any pity or Sympathy from anyone personally. Frankly I've lived my life a lot of times alone, sometimes I live with folks, but you know, I could easily go out and do stuff tomorrow I wanted to do, (Hey I love doing a lot of things..)

but I think the bottom line here.. is that if you can't figure out what you want to do.. Do what i do.. Take my time.. Mull it over, after all I'm not going anywhere in this world, and if say Death decides to take me away, so what?

I mean I think my mother (God Rest Her soul) Gave me the best advice, try to find a niche, see if you can do it, if you can't, find something else to do..(after all everyone has some sort of niche.. Mine is dealing with People, and sure even though I get into some "Heated Arguments" from Time to time, I sometimes have to take a break, just chill and mull things over.. (after all I'm me, and I'm the best Me I can get..)

so Like I said, Find a niche, if it works then go with it, it not, try something else..(and Don't worry about what you do or haven't done, cause in the end, will it really matter? ) (And to think I should have been in bed over 4 hours ago.. ah well sleep sometimes is good for the soul too.)

:coyote:

[sun]

If the cafe, was set up to talk about stuff, then, this thread does so better than any we have ever had, (that I have seen) people have been honest, and forthcoming...One thing is for sure, we need each other. maybe a chat room on the computer is not an end, but it helps us to get by. get thruough, move on. Fonebone has done a great service by presenting this, and we all should say something here, even those that never visit the Cafe, should stop for a momoent and say hello, or what ever...Stuart

[Phantasm]

Yeah...threads like these do bring us TZers closer.And YAY for fonebone!:)

[Kuja's Light]

Go Fone Bone, you da' man!!

TZ group hug! *Hugs all.* This thread certainly brings an even bigger smile to my face. It's al labout persceptive or oneself and others, so make the ebst of it and be there for everyone if possible!

[Revelator]

I don't mean to sound flip, but I recommend reading Chekhov. His plays revolve around people who didn't end up leading the lives they wanted, and the pathos is sometimes nearly unbearable.
Sometimes feeling rotten about yourself is the best way to get your life back on track. Self-loathing can become a spur to accomplishment. Some of the greatest artists we've had were utter bastards--grasping, pushy, egotistical and relentless. And sometimes you need a hard core of stubbornes and selfishness to get ahead in the world, because getting ahead in this world is quite difficult, and in a rat race only the rats can win.
Personally, I'm turning 25 next October, and don't feel that I've accomplished anything notable with my life so far. I'm hoping my self disgust will make me get off my seat and do something.

[ZorBrak]

Do and see as much as I can in my lifetime that I want to do (...it would take about a millenia...I don't have that kinda time...I don't think...but I'll do what I can :p)

[HumanoidTyphoon]

My father grew up in Mexico dirt poor, in a crappy house where his father beat him and his mother beat him, if anything, from what I read my father had more reasons then you to call it quites. But he didn't, once he was 15 he got 2 jobs, went to school (which wasn't free), you think the things he had to do brought him happiness, hell no! But he did them for himself and made something of his life.People work in different ways fo some poeple suicide is not an option. What I mean is when you hear that everyone thinks of suicide it's not true it just doesn't occur to some people. Not to say if you do there's anything wrong.


Self-loathing can become a spur to accomplishment.It can work but that's something you have to be very careful with. Some people fall into self loathing and never get out. I think the idea tucsoncoyote mentioned works better you need to find something/someone to get you mind off of dis-accomplishment.



This is the best thread ever.Bite your tongue sir...then some cake (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=136824).:zim:

[guinaevere]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who wants "Teh Ladies". I could humor you and state that I'm in it for teh ladies too, if it makes you feel better. Of course, no one would believe me, which is good, because it'd be a lie. I'm in it for teh fame and money.


I don't mean to sound flip, but I recommend reading Chekhov. His plays revolve around people who didn't end up leading the lives they wanted, and the pathos is sometimes nearly unbearable.
Sometimes feeling rotten about yourself is the best way to get your life back on track. Self-loathing can become a spur to accomplishment. While I do like Chekhovs plays, I caution you that they are fictitious, and as such, not realistic. Most persons who delve into self-pity and loathing stay there, the destructive mentality feeding upon itself.

[cross blues]

Maybe I don't understand where your coming from. But to say that your life is not what you have hoped for, and to question why you are in college trying to get a degree is just so wrong.

Because from what I read, and just read alone, you lived a wasted life, and a wasted life is the wrost thing in the world. you obviously have no clue where I'm coming from. yes I have the luxury of wondering what life's about because I'm not struggling to survive, but that doesn't make it wrong. have you ever heard of philosophy? humans have been pondering the meaning of life since there were people intelligent enough to ask "why?".

what is a wasted life to you? maybe to a Catholic, a Jewish person or an atheist leads a wasted life. maybe to a scientist trying to find a cure for cancer, a professional athlete or an actor leads a wasted life. it's all subjective... which means that while I may (but I don't) value your opinion, it is just that, an opinion. we all do whatever we want, and it doesn't matter what we do. does it matter to ants what one ant does in its lifetime? do dogs care whether another dog wasted its life or not? why are we different, because we can think? I don't care if I'm rich or famous while I'm here because those things don't matter. I don't care if I'm remembered after I die, because the people here to remember me don't matter. we are like every other form of life on this planet. we are born, we exist, then we die. somehow we evolved bigger brains but we're still just animals. that's all there is to it.

[Revelator]

While I do like Chekhovs plays, I caution you that they are fictitious, and as such, not realistic. Most persons who delve into self-pity and loathing stay there, the destructive mentality feeding upon itself.
Yes, and that's exactly what happens in Chekhov's plays, which are fictitious and extremely realistic. That's what gives them their pathos and cautions the reader about the consequences of self-pity.

[zmanjz]

not so much about "teh ladies"......

I want "Teh" True Love.

(Aparently that's setting the bar kinda high.)

[ZorBrak]

As far as what's next on my plate...I want to get some degrees...maybe go to film school...and cooking school...move onto writing in the comic industry or movie industry, do some real estate on the side, see a few countries, move to NZ....hell yeah I'm booked til about 30 :D. I want to retire early enough to do some more adventuring :D so I'm working hard at that plan.

I want a big ranch with some horses overlooking some mountains in New Zealand dammit. I'm gonna get it dammit!

Seriously don't plan to be married or have kids until I got a good job and I'm financially secure...I want to be SECURE first. My cousin for example, his gf, of six years, just left him a month before their wedding and now he's been fired. 24. Yeah I think I'll be writing movies, issues of Batman, and going to some other kind of school around then. NOT GETTING SCREWED OVER! That's where a lot of people get in holes their entire lifetime. Jumping the gun on the wife 'n kids "deal" ...Then again they say love intoxicates so maybe I'll go wayward and ruin my future if the right girl bumps into me :p.

[Beguiled]

I really want to just be able to look over my life at the end and say to myself 'I think I've done okay'.

But my goal for now is to be a straight A student in high school, work my hardest in college, make lots of friends and hopefully make them as happy as they make me, then I want to be and E.R doctor because I want to help other people. :) I also want to eventually find 'true love' but that can wait because I have a lot of other things to accomplish first. I want to be able to provide a good life for myself and my family and I want to somehow convince them to NOT BURRY ME WHEN I'M DEAD!!! I want them (as weird as it sounds) to donate any working organs I have to people who need them and then scatter my ashes off a mountain or very large hill overlooking the caribbean. Then I want them all to have a huge picnic and have the adults have some good wine or something considering they'd probably enjoy that and of course! Have sodas and yummy things for the kids! :anime:

Wow. I'm really weird. Talking about my own funeral! :sweat: Musn't jinx myself! Aw well! It is a goal. And they'd better do it. Unless they want my angry ghost haunting them. :evil: MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!