Mobile Suit Gundam SEED "A Place for the Soul" Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

Duke

03-17-2005, 01:04 PM

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In the distant future, mankind can never get enough power. Space + power = BOOM!

Last time on Mobile Suit Gundam SEED:

"Kira and Mu fought off Rau's ever-changing gun as he explained about his origin as well as that of Mu and Kira. Namely, the fact that Rau is a clone of Mu's father and that Kira was specially bred by his father to become the ultimate Coordinator, though he was eventually saved by his birth mother. Outside, Dearka filled Yzak in on what's been going on with him for the past 15 or so episodes, and gives him a choice. The Alliance begins to attack the rebels again once the Gundam are fully recharged, against the better judgement of Natarle. Meanwhile, Rau begins to break down for some reason and loses his mask, escaping in the commotion. Kira and Mu, who is severely wounded, head back to the Archangel before Freedom goes out to assist Justice. Rau, in a spit of insanity, orders the ZAFT fleet to attack, before sending Flay out in a lifepod with a special disk towards the Dominion..."

This week on Mobile Suit Gundam SEED:

"As the Freedom, Justice, Forbidden, Raider, and Calamity rumble with each other, Natarle and Azreal decide on whether to admit Flay on board the ship or not. She makes a desperate plea to the Dominion to allow on her on board and to not, you know, kill her. Unfortunately (or fortunately?), Kira hears the message and his already shaky mind delves into more angst as he tries to rescue her. Just what are the METEORs anyway?"

Spoilers: *Cranks up chainsaw.*

KuwabaraTheMan

03-18-2005, 04:12 PM

The curse of getting my hands on an advanced copy of the last uncut DVD:

I'VE BEEN WAITING A FREAKING MONTH FOR THIS EPISODE!!!!!!!

If I don't see it soon, I may just go insane from waiting so long.
*starts shaking nervously*

FlyByNite77

03-18-2005, 04:29 PM

I've a reponse to a moment in this episode ready to type for months now. :p

rubberchicken

03-18-2005, 04:48 PM

Let me guess...

MEEEEETEEEEOOOOOOORRRRRRR!!!

Riza Hawkeye

03-18-2005, 06:41 PM

Let me guess...

MEEEEETEEEEOOOOOOORRRRRRR!!! Not tonight, but very soon ;)

We get to hear nearly all of 'Find the Way', it would be the entire version if CN aired the full ending. We also get our first look at Strike Rogue

InsaneZero

03-18-2005, 06:44 PM

Let's see if Azrael's certain phrase survives into the dub....

Captain Zechs

03-18-2005, 11:12 PM

Duke if you don't mind I would like to make the next Seed thread, I have some new things I want to test :evil: *its a secret*

Tonight is gonna be AWESOME!!!!!

Demonic Raven

03-19-2005, 12:00 AM

Things are gettin' frisky....this should be good. =o

NickWhiz1

03-19-2005, 12:43 AM

We also get our first look at Strike Rogue
Wasn't there a brief shot in the vicinity of Episode 43ish?

Riza Hawkeye

03-19-2005, 12:52 AM

Wasn't there a brief shot in the vicinity of Episode 43ish?
Not that I recall, but I could be wrong.

Killtacular

03-19-2005, 01:03 AM

Again, it seems like Williams Street quite simply ran out of time in editting Seed to Y7-FV so expect more and more inconsistencies.

G1Ravage

03-19-2005, 01:05 AM

Uh-oh.

They're toast.

G1Ravage

03-19-2005, 01:06 AM

Again, it seems like Williams Street quite simply ran out of time in editting Seed to Y7-FV so expect more and more inconsistencies.
Well, they're obviously too busy working on Perfect Hair Forever. :p

FlyByNite77

03-19-2005, 01:08 AM

Tenku

03-19-2005, 01:10 AM

Behead'd!

G1Ravage

03-19-2005, 01:12 AM

Oh that's right... Natarle doesn't know...

Demonic Raven

03-19-2005, 01:13 AM

Ouchies. Poor Freedom gots a boo-boo.

I still gotta wonder what's in that "key"...

Tenku

03-19-2005, 01:17 AM

Hmm....

why do I feel that Kira's gonna have a huge guilt trip? :shrug:

THE CAPTAIN HAS GINE DOWN WITH HIS SHIP...UNLIKE THE TITANIC. :ack:

Wounded_Dragon

03-19-2005, 01:18 AM

Oh that's right... Natarle doesn't know...Flay. Kira. All your demons are coming back to haunt you Natarle. What will you do?

Yes I know what happens. Just sparking discussion

Demonic Raven

03-19-2005, 01:18 AM

N-Jammer canceller data. Things aren't looking up for Freedom and Justice....

FlyByNite77

03-19-2005, 01:19 AM

Doesn't quite have the same impact as Azrael's Japanese VA's hysterical YATTA!!!!!!!!!!!!

NickWhiz1

03-19-2005, 01:19 AM

Doesn't quite have the same impact as Azrael's Japanese VA's hysterical YATTA!!!!!!!!!!!!
275% Agreed.

Timmay

03-19-2005, 01:21 AM

Everybody say YATTA YATTA!

KuwabaraTheMan

03-19-2005, 01:21 AM

Great, Azrael has the N-Jammer Cancellers, we're screwed.

All the Kira and Flay moments are great, but that's coming from the number one Flay fanboy.:D

And the Vesalius is gone.
Lacus can kick ass when she needs to. Everyone who compares her to Relena can have their crow.

Scirel

03-19-2005, 01:21 AM

Wow, now that the EA can use Nukes, ZAFT is practically done for!

Or are they....:evil:

Tenku

03-19-2005, 01:24 AM

Wo-ho-ho! Someone got fresh with Flay...:evil: :D

Scirel

03-19-2005, 01:26 AM

Yay for original songs! If Destiny airs, I hope they keep the songs in it as well.

Timmay

03-19-2005, 01:27 AM

Surprising they try to make it seem him and flay were in completely different rooms when it happened.. but now they're actually showing her going down on him... I think i saw an edit though.. looked like digital bikini

EDIT:

Nevermind, they left that part in but removed the part after the kiss where they show him getting clothed and her in his bed.

FlyByNite77

03-19-2005, 01:29 AM

Strike Rouge sighting...heh

Guess the jump during Find the Way flashback was the scene with Flay and Kira in bed.

Next Ep is off the charts good.

Animeforever'04

03-19-2005, 01:29 AM

Wounded_Dragon

03-19-2005, 01:30 AM

Great, Azrael has the N-Jammer Cancellers, we're screwed.
When you don't have to worry about screwing up your own environment, nukes are pretty easy to justify using. :(

NickWhiz1

03-19-2005, 01:31 AM

Wow, hard to believe we're only 4 episodes away from the end.

For those of you that thought Freedom was already cheesy, you ain't seen NOTHING yet. Just you wait, it gets RIDICULOUS from here on in.

Next Time: Phase 47 - The Nightmare Reborn

You know how the **** has hit the fan numerous times? Well, next week, it hits a freakin' WINDMILL, and THEN some.

EnAll

03-19-2005, 01:32 AM

Or are they....:evil:Wait till GENESIS

KuwabaraTheMan

03-19-2005, 01:32 AM

GREAT Episode. Gave me some tears as well. Flay is back in action, and to quote really bad commericals, "I'm lovin' it!". Lot's of very dramatic moments. After a month of having seen the episodes already, I'm back in the saddle.

This show is freaking awesome.

G1Ravage

03-19-2005, 01:33 AM

Very good ep, but it feels to me like things are slowing down a bit in the story's progression. I was expecting more to happen.

Lack of disco = WTF

Scirel

03-19-2005, 01:34 AM

Wait till GENESIS
I know, I`ve seen the subs, I was just teasing. :evil:

NickWhiz1

03-19-2005, 01:34 AM

Very good ep, but it feels to me like things are slowing down a bit in the story's progression. I was expecting more to happen.

Lack of disco = WTF
Interesting opinion. The general consensus is that the ending's really rushed. Oh well, a LOT (and I mean, a LOT) of stuff happens in the next 4 episodes, so you'll get your wish ;)

EnAll

03-19-2005, 01:35 AM

Interesting opinion. The general consensus is that the ending's really rushed. Oh well, a LOT (and I mean, a LOT) of stuff happens in the next 4 episodes, so you'll get your wish ;)
Just wait for those last 2:evil:

Demonic Raven

03-19-2005, 01:36 AM

I was expecting more to happen. Lots of stuff with Flay and at least we got to see what the "key" actually is. I have a feeling that this show is going to hit full throttle soon. The final battle is upon is! :D

For now, 8/10.

NickWhiz1

03-19-2005, 01:39 AM

Just wait for those last 2:evil:
At TV-PG, I'm looking VERY forward to them.

...Of course, some stuff will still have to be edited, but that's understandable. The last two episodes are hella violent.

Duke

03-19-2005, 01:39 AM

Y'know, if they just got Flay some therapy, then she wouldn't be so screwed up in the head.

William C. Maune

03-19-2005, 01:39 AM

Just want to remind folks to be careful about the whole not discussing non-edits thing... We don't want to jinx it.

Scirel

03-19-2005, 01:39 AM

The ending wouldn`t have been rushed if they didn`t streth out the beginning so much, which is why everyone seems to be pleased with destiny so far, in that nothing takes longer or shorter than it should. They learned from their mistakes on seed`s first half and aren`t repeating them.

Although I personally didn`t think the ending was that rushed except for the final few moments of the last ep.

Fresh V

03-19-2005, 01:40 AM

This show is great. I can't believe I thought it was crap in the first month or two.

NickWhiz1

03-19-2005, 01:42 AM

This show is great. I can't believe I thought it was crap in the first month or two.
Hell, most SEED fans would agree with that second statement. I sure do.

Sampo

03-19-2005, 01:42 AM

Interesting opinion. The general consensus is that the ending's really rushed. Oh well, a LOT (and I mean, a LOT) of stuff happens in the next 4 episodes, so you'll get your wish ;)
I would think the editing machine just croaked from all the disco lights they tried to cram in the past episodes... :D

Aye the last two will have stuff edited. *sigh* Oh well. It should be interesting how they handle them though.

G1Ravage

03-19-2005, 01:42 AM

Just want to remind folks to be careful about the whole not discussing non-edits thing... We don't want to jinx it.
And even as you say this, I'm watching .Hack//Legend and wondering how this show is completely unedited.

FlyByNite77

03-19-2005, 01:44 AM

This show is great. I can't believe I thought it was crap in the first month or two.Hell I still think most of the first half of the series is crap.

William C. Maune

03-19-2005, 01:45 AM

And even as you say this, I'm watching .Hack//Legend and wondering how this show is completely unedited.

I'm thinking that some how, however it got acquired, they ended up deciding early on that it wasn't going to run anywhere near daylight and thus they just didn't bother.

Scirel

03-19-2005, 01:45 AM

Yeah, I pretty much agree, except a show has to practically insult me or gross me out for me to "hate" it, I just thought it was average.

For those who like the BGMs, try finding the "Symphony Seed" collection on Direct Connect. It takes the most familair themes of the show and puts them into ten beautifully orchestrated pieces. They`re among my favorite MP3s ever, personally.

KuwabaraTheMan

03-19-2005, 01:47 AM

I liked the early episodes.:o

Granted, they were no where near as good as the later ones, but I still enjoyed them, despite the shortcomings.

Fresh V

03-19-2005, 01:47 AM

Hell I still think most of the first half of the series is crap.
And that's why it got bad ratings, bringing it to Friday nights at 1 A.M. But I don't really care, 'cause for me it's 10.;)

NickWhiz1

03-19-2005, 01:50 AM

Maybe it was the horrible fight choreography, because you have to admit, most of the fights in the first half of SEED sucked. Sure, most of it is due to Kira and Athrun's unwillingness to fight each other and more stock footage than Sealab 2021, but ehh =\

Destiny's fights, on the other hand, are much better choreographed, right from the get-go.

Scirel

03-19-2005, 01:52 AM

Yep, just about everyone was pleasantly surprised at how Destiny kept up the quality of the second half of seed.

From that recent interview, Seed is apparantly doing well for it`s time slot.:confused:

Fresh V

03-19-2005, 01:56 AM

For those who like the BGMs, try finding the "Symphony Seed" collection on Direct Connect. It takes the most familair themes of the show and puts them into ten beautifully orchestrated pieces. They`re among my favorite MP3s ever, personally. I love the BGM. I tor--err, got the OSTs, and they're great: Invoke, Believe, the other theme songs and endings, and all the orchestrated pieces I forget the names of and are very repetetive, each one occuring in almost every Victor Entertainment one, but are very, very good. Ya know?

I'm thinking that some how, however it got acquired, they ended up deciding early on that it wasn't going to run anywhere near daylight and thus they just didn't bother.
If it's unedited, why's it rated TV-Y7-FV?

Pepperidge

03-19-2005, 01:57 AM

From that recent interview, Seed is apparantly doing well for it`s time slot.:confused: But he also said it was kicking ass in Canada. :D

NickWhiz1

03-19-2005, 01:57 AM

From that recent interview, Seed is apparantly doing well for it`s time slot.:confused:
He's required to say that. What is he going to say, "SEED's ratings suck?"

Besides, "good ratings" is all relative. We don't know if it's relative to all programming on the network or relative to other programming in its timeslot. We won't know unless we get numbers, and that's nigh impossible.

William C. Maune

03-19-2005, 01:57 AM

From that recent interview, Seed is apparantly doing well for it`s time slot.:confused:

It's not like there is much else on at 1AM between Friday and Saturday.

Scirel

03-19-2005, 02:00 AM

This brings up the question... did we EVER get numbers for seed?

I remember hearing once it was doing ok, better than Astroboy, but not as good as TT, and that`s it.

Freedom Fighter

03-19-2005, 02:18 AM

Well, the Freedom's lost its head, I got my question from last week answered, Kira learns there's never a wrong time to cry, Lacus is quite the strategist, and we got a whole lot more Flay in one episode than we've had in the past 10-15.

Gee, wonder what that means... ;)

Not enough happened this week. Bummer. 7 out of 10... 4 episodes to go!

G1Ravage

03-19-2005, 02:37 AM

If it's unedited, why's it rated TV-Y7-FV?
Because in all honesty, there's nothing in this show that warrants giving it a TV-PG rating. I think a TV-G rating would have sufficed.

But in any case, nothing outside of Adult Swim usually gets a rating higher than TV-Y7 (except for the occassional movie), so they just slapped a Y7 on it and called it a night.

Similarly, there are episodes of Inu Yasha on Adult Swim that are so tame, they could've aired uncut on Toonami and given a TV-Y7FV raiting. But it still was given a PG rating, simply because AS will never go below that again.

rmarti3926

03-19-2005, 04:40 AM

Once Kira cried in the end of the episode... I cried with him.

Touching episode.

Riza Hawkeye

03-19-2005, 04:58 AM

I'm a little late with these, but here they are anyway. Some of these pics very suggestive.

ZAFT crew members (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap133.jpg)
Not Edits, but I think it's cool how Athrun (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap134.jpg) and Dearka (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap135.jpg) salute the sinking Vesalius.
Rau changing clips (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap136.jpg) edited again.
Digital Bra-less Fllay (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap137.jpg) (and nothing is really shown anyway)
What are you doing Kira? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap138.jpg) ;)
And this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap139.jpg) isn't suggestive...no not at all :p (her breasts are more visible then the digital bra scene)
Rau changing his clip (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap140.jpg), again.

Why would Rau changing his clip be edited? Is it because it suggests that his has a *gasp* real gun?

G1Ravage

03-19-2005, 05:10 AM

Why would Rau changing his clip be edited? Is it because it suggests that his has a *gasp* real gun?
It's no longer a problem if kids play with guns.

It IS a problem if they have an idea on how to reload them.

Disco Pete

03-19-2005, 09:12 AM

Actually this was the little comment I'd been wanting to post for months...

For all you Lacus = Relena people NOW SAY THAT.

I can't ever imagine Relena ordering warships to concentrate fire on another ship to try and destroy it.

I think thus ends the debate. I like Lacus a lot more now (not that I ever disliked her, but she felt so, un-not-useless at the beginning of the series). She's really kicking butt now, and I like it.

Freedom gets "Tolle'd". LOL
Makes you wonder if they have any spare heads on the Eternal, or if the Freedom's gonna be the "Headless Gundam" for the rest of the series (what's left of it, anyway). Maybe they can swipe one from one of the Astrays, or just beat one of the druggies and swipe his.

"Find the Way" is such a nice song. I like it.

Mu's still out of action. Boo.

Everyone's favorite Psycho Hottie becomes very popular, as the druggies and Kira race to take her into their arms. The scene where she meets Natarle brought a smile to my face; it reminded me of an interesting piece of trivia about the two.

Yes, Kira, it's ok to cry, you girly man.

Cagalli gets removed from Kira's room. Come on, she's his sister, whereas Lacus is just his girl. Who do you think outranks whom, hmm?
Oh, wait, Lacus' ship, oh yeah.

My prediction for the future: Mu will return to service, and kick butt in a major way. Flay will get stares on the Dominion for wearing a ZAFT uniform. With no Coordinators to latch onto, she'll go for the nearest thing and hang out with the druggies, eventually getting herself thrown in the brig for Possession of a Controlled Substance. Kira will make a "neato" head out of paper mache and scrap metal for the Freedom, to the amusement of all. We finally find out what a "METEOR" is: the Head on the Eternal. (Let's all hope they get them working soon; Andy's been holding it in since they left the PLANTs) And Yzak defects after Dearka tells him that there's going to be a kegger on the Archangel after this is all over. He lies; it's a potluck with red kool-ade.

It's no longer a problem if kids play with guns.

It IS a problem if they have an idea on how to reload them. True. Load a child's gun, and he can hold up a convenience store today.
Teach a child to load his own gun, and he can hold up convenience stores for a lifetime.

Duke

03-19-2005, 09:19 AM

Cagalli gets removed from Kira's room. Come on, she's his sister, whereas Lacus is just his girl. Who do you think outranks whom, hmm?
Oh, wait, Lacus' ship, oh yeah.
Cagalli's not really in the mood to comfort Kira. Just as she was starting to drift away from the fact that the two are siblings, this picture comes along. Hell, Mu may have told Cagalli the whole story as well. If Cagalli had stayed, she would just started questioning Kira, trying to make sense out of this whole ordeal (like she did in the last 20 episodes or so).

Zapages

03-19-2005, 09:43 AM

All I can say that this series's ending is rushed but its damn fine one aswell... You guys are in for a treat.

Timmay

03-19-2005, 01:29 PM

Cagalli gets removed from Kira's room. Come on, she's his sister, whereas Lacus is just his girl. Who do you think outranks whom, hmm?
Oh, wait, Lacus' ship, oh yeah.

She hasn't really been treating him like a brother throughout seed. She might regress and go flay on him.

rubberchicken

03-19-2005, 01:35 PM

Actually this was the little comment I'd been wanting to post for months...

For all you Lacus = Relena people NOW SAY THAT.

I can't ever imagine Relena ordering warships to concentrate fire on another ship to try and destroy it.

Well, since Wing doesn't have any cap ships, that's a moot point. :p

However... "Heero, kill that man!" (referring to Zechs, episode 16) fits the bill nicely.

Duke

03-19-2005, 01:52 PM

She hasn't really been treating him like a brother throughout seed. She might regress and go flay on him.
They've shared one (now two) scenes together as knowingly brother and sister. And it isn't until about now (or maybe next week) that Kira is even thinking of her as a sister.

FlyByNite77

03-19-2005, 02:06 PM

Yes, Kira, it's ok to cry, you girly man.

Cagalli gets removed from Kira's room. Come on, she's his sister, whereas Lacus is just his girl. Who do you think outranks whom, hmm?
Oh, wait, Lacus' ship, oh yeah.Well Athrun could see Kira was in no mood to have Cagalli pestering him with questions about the pictures. He was emotionally and physically drained and didn't need that. Cagalli's not much with the 'comforting' and is more of a confrontational personality.

As for the crying. I said this before about the dub and I'll say it again, the only good thing about Kira's english VA is that his crying isn't so horribly cringe-inducing as the Japanese VA(Souichiro Hoshi). His crying as Kira was like a cat being tortured.

Warrior Kitana

03-19-2005, 08:37 PM

Nice episode. Lots of Kira angst. Also, I really liked the Kira x Fllay moments. Fllay is always there to make things more interesting that's for sure.

I have a feeling that the ending won't turn out so great for some of the characters.

Funkatron

03-20-2005, 07:30 AM

Finally saw the ep.

Rau Le Crusette is a BASTARD!!!!!!!

Selling out his own peoplelike that is lower than low. He has now destined them to be Nuclearcrispies. That SOB.

Dag. Kira is a real player. So thats where Athrun learns his moves(Watch Destiny to see what I mean)
I'm definately gonna love the final 4. Dang it, Where is DVD 10?!?!?!

WolfieKiwi

03-20-2005, 09:00 AM

bringing it to Friday nights at 1 A.M. But I don't really care, 'cause for me it's 10.;)
You have no idea how lucky you are...to prevent falling asleep during SEED there's no other option but to drink cofee.
and I hate cofee..

:anime: j/k (unless it's plain)

Someone's gonna die and it's probobly going to be my fav Gundam..:sad:
Very emotional, all tears. A

Duke

03-20-2005, 09:46 AM

Someone's gonna die and it's probobly going to be my fav Gundam..:sad:
I dunno what your favorite Gundam is, but unless it hasn't shown up yet or it's one of the three druggie Gundams, it ain't gonna die.

FlyByNite77

03-20-2005, 10:22 AM

I dunno what your favorite Gundam is, but unless it hasn't shown up yet or it's one of the three druggie Gundams, it ain't gonna die.
Actually...
That's not true since atleast one gundam for the 'good guys' which has already appeared is gonna be destroyed.

Scirel

03-20-2005, 01:02 PM

JohnCrichton

03-20-2005, 01:05 PM

Sampo

03-20-2005, 01:26 PM

I used to look forward to Farscape on Fridays... now I look forward to Gundam SEED.

I'm gonna be really sad once this show is gone from the airwaves.

Anyway... I didn't quite understand... what was the revelation with that picture in the frame and the identical one that has Kira and Cagali's name on the back of it?

Or am I not suppose to know yet?
Hmm, I think Cagalli was just surprised that there was a second picture which might have piqued her curiosity. So she wanted to learn more about that particular picture from Kira. But before that could happen, Athrun took her outside knowning that Kira needed time to himself.

*points to the above* That's my take on it. Dunno if that is correct or me just making stuff up... You know that the Volcan 300 chopstick arms can also detach and become flying missiles?!!!!

JohnCrichton

03-20-2005, 01:53 PM

*points to the above* That's my take on it. Dunno if that is correct or me just making stuff up... You know that the Volcan 300 chopstick arms can also detach and become flying missiles?!!!!

Really?! Sugoi!!! The Volcan 300 is truely a Hero of Justice! :anime:

Riza Hawkeye

03-20-2005, 01:59 PM

and also

Even though they are far less damaged than freedom, they never say what happens to Buster and Duel...Even though Yzak and Dearka have Zaku`s that loosely resemble them in Destiny. "Good guy" gundams that are no more at the end of the series: Justice, Strike. I'll go one step further and say the only Gundams that are functional by the end are Strike Rogue and Duel. Even though Freedom is not destoryed it isn't operational. Buster isn't destoryed either, but Providence put it out of commision.

lostrune

03-20-2005, 04:06 PM

1. Whoa, what a double team against the Vesalius. Finally brought down; goodbye Vesalius. :eek:

2. It's good that ZAFT wasn't stupid in putting all the monitors on the Freedom's head for when it gets blown off. :)
(A common impractical mistake in Gundamhood.)

3. I hope Azrael examined that disk for viruses, trojans, or other malicious programs before running it. That could've been what Rau meant by ending the war - paralyzing the EA's whole system Independence Day-style with a Mac. :D

3b. So now, the EA could also build nuclear jammers. Azrael no longer needs to capture the Freedom or Justice. ZAFT and EA could resume to nuclear annihilation. Or a cold war. Just like when Russia stole the nuclear bomb blueprint from America. :shrug:

4. The way Fllay was bawling at Natarle, Natarle should've first taken her for the standard medical checkup to make sure she wasn't molested. :sweat:

5. So Rau ages due to short telomeres? (Telomeres, BTW, are the ends of the chromosomes and serve to keep the chromosomes stable.) :ack:

6. Heh, Cagalli should've told Athrun and Lacus that Fllay wasn't just Kira's friend but also his ex-lover. :anime:

7. What's that red Gundam? And what the heck is that Gundam monstrosity in the preview? Not an 0083 reject, I hope. :o

Riza Hawkeye

03-20-2005, 04:21 PM

7. What's that red Gundam? And what the heck is that Gundam monstrosity in the preview? Not an 0083 reject, I hope. :o The red Gundam is Strike Rogue. To answer your other question, that is Justice and Freedom equip with Meteor. So if you thought Freedom and Justice were ridiculously overpowered, wait until you see them with Meteor.

Botman

03-20-2005, 05:13 PM

VReflex76

03-20-2005, 05:35 PM

Surprising they try to make it seem him and flay were in completely different rooms when it happened.. but now they're actually showing her going down on him... I think i saw an edit though.. looked like digital bikini

Unless there's a camera on "Little Kira," with footage he looks at later (this is a flashback!), there's no way she was going down on him, just closing in for a very passionate lip-lock; not to say she didn't taste Kira's manjuice at some point . . .

Duke

03-20-2005, 05:41 PM

Maybe if they release a side story featuring a sympathetic Natural character, I might change my mind, but given the current Coordinator bias, I doubt that will happen.
o.O SEED Astray stars Lowe Gear, who's a Natural. He's just not with the military.

FlyByNite77

03-20-2005, 05:44 PM

After thinking for a while, I've decided to save myself and the posters on here a great deal of frustration, and quit watching SEED. It's obvious that whatever message the writers wanted to get across with this show didn't work on me, and no matter what they do, I will remain firmly sided with the Naturals.

Not only am I giving up SEED, I am also severing all ties with the SEED universe. I will not watch Destiny when it comes out, and I will stop purchasing the Astray manga.

Maybe if they release a side story featuring a sympathetic Natural character, I might change my mind, but given the current Coordinator bias, I doubt that will happen.Hey, your choice. But I don't understand why you say you will stop purchasing the astray mangas then say you want a side story with a natural character... Isn't that what Lowe is?

I don't really see how the writers have failed to convey anything in the natural vs coordinator struggle. Right now BOTH SIDES in the war are being led by maniacs. Patrick Zala and his belief that Coordinators should govern all mankind and the naturals have Blue Cosmos who started this whole thing.

The coordinators never did anything at all to naturals. Naturals attacked and destroyed a civillian colony just because they had an inferiority complex towards coordinators who at that point had done nothing, but live in space peacefully and be subject to rules by the Earth pertaining what they could grow for food and other stuff just so they would remain dependent on Earth.

Botman

03-20-2005, 06:04 PM

I don't really wan't to start another debate. I just believe that lasting, peaceful coexistence between Naturals and Coordinators is impossible.

And, once George Glenn came into the picture, I gave up on the entire cast of Astray.

Duke

03-20-2005, 06:26 PM

And, once George Glenn came into the picture, I gave up on the entire cast of Astray.
But he's not even the real George Glenn. He's a hologram who was "customized" by the Professor.

Botman

03-20-2005, 06:43 PM

But he's not even the real George Glenn. He's a hologram who was "customized" by the Professor.
Maybe. I guess it depends on how much the real George Glenn was like the hologram

Duke

03-20-2005, 07:30 PM

Maybe. I guess it depends on how much the real George Glenn was like the hologram
From what was seen in Episode 14, the real George Glenn was fun-loving, but responsible and a serious individual. Astray Glenn is a cartoon character.

Timmay

03-20-2005, 07:40 PM

Unless there's a camera on "Little Kira," with footage he looks at later (this is a flashback!), there's no way she was going down on him, just closing in for a very passionate lip-lock; not to say she didn't taste Kira's manjuice at some point . . .
A naked kiss while she is obviously ontop of him and coming down on him.

VReflex76

03-20-2005, 07:44 PM

A naked kiss while she is obviously ontop of him and coming down on him.. . .

You do know what "going down" means in sexual terms, don't you?

rubberchicken

03-20-2005, 08:04 PM

G1Ravage

03-20-2005, 09:15 PM

. . .

You do know what "going down" means in sexual terms, don't you?
She couldn't have been "going down" on him in this case.

Unless the camera was attached to his :eek:

Will Sturnick

03-20-2005, 10:39 PM

From what was seen in Episode 14, the real George Glenn was fun-loving, but responsible and a serious individual.
Yes, responsible. So responsible that he puts the secrets of Coordinating all over the world network so anyone can get it. Which plunges the world into a spiral of hatred. While he spends the next 14 years more or less immune from the seething chaos.

Duke

03-20-2005, 10:40 PM

rubberchicken

03-21-2005, 12:08 AM

Yes, responsible. So responsible that he puts the secrets of Coordinating all over the world network so anyone can get it. Which plunges the world into a spiral of hatred. While he spends the next 14 years more or less immune from the seething chaos.

It's because he was secretly channeling Paptimus Scirocco! Just check out that ship of his. Coincidence? We all know he really wanted to come back and seize the reins of power for himself. With an army of flying space whales, of course.

Wounded_Dragon

03-21-2005, 12:32 AM

Yes, responsible. So responsible that he puts the secrets of Coordinating all over the world network so anyone can get it. Which plunges the world into a spiral of hatred. While he spends the next 14 years more or less immune from the seething chaos.
I guess he had faith in the power of democracy. Wherever could he have gotten that notion from?...

Vagrant

03-21-2005, 07:47 AM

It's because he was secretly channeling Paptimus Scirocco! Just check out that ship of his. Coincidence? We all know he really wanted to come back and seize the reins of power for himself. With an army of flying space whales, of course. This means that the Song of Nephilim will be played next episode. :)

The Song of Nephilim will be a lot more interesting to watch than nuclear weapons.

Timmay

03-21-2005, 11:33 AM

. . .

You do know what "going down" means in sexual terms, don't you?
yes, the question is do you know what it looks like? because I do, and that's what it looked like to me, but hey maybe that's just me. I know there's no way to tell if she actually did that then but you can't say that it doesn't look like it. Well you probably could.

rubberchicken

03-21-2005, 11:38 AM

It's because Kira is actually a Blue Cosmos spy, revealing the secrets of the Archangel with his cleverly concealed WangCam...

Ultra8

03-21-2005, 05:04 PM

Whoa. Looks like things are going from bad to worse for Kira and the gang. Poor Flay, at least your safe with Natarle. Looks like whatever Rau's master plan is, it's one piece closer to completion. I wonder how Zaft is going to counter the EA, now that it has N-Jammers, should be interesting to see.:D

10/10

Nextweek: ZAFT vs. EA, with the Archangel stuck in the crossfire and even worser things to come it seems.

VReflex76

03-22-2005, 12:08 AM

It's because Kira is actually a Blue Cosmos spy, revealing the secrets of the Archangel with his cleverly concealed WangCam.... . . or maybe . . . Kira's "one-eyed monster" really has an eye . . .

:eek: Coordinator privates have optical nerves!! Talk about genetic improvement . . .

rubberchicken

03-22-2005, 12:42 AM

. . . or maybe . . . Kira's "one-eyed monster" really has an eye . . .

:eek: Coordinator privates have optical nerves!! Talk about genetic improvement . . .

...I think that mental picture just gave me a week's worth of nightmares.

lostrune

03-22-2005, 02:43 AM

. . . or maybe . . . Kira's "one-eyed monster" really has an eye . . .

:eek: Coordinator privates have optical nerves!! Talk about genetic improvement . . .
...I think that mental picture just gave me a week's worth of nightmares.
Only for gals. Guys would probably rejoice.

rubberchicken

03-22-2005, 02:51 AM

Only for gals. Guys would probably rejoice.

...Why, exactly? It's not like it would substantially improve the view, you know...

Catlover

03-22-2005, 09:52 PM

I used to look forward to Farscape on Fridays... now I look forward to Gundam SEED.

I'm gonna be really sad once this show is gone from the airwaves.
I know. SEED is the only thing that keeps my Fridays from being complete dissapointments.

The only gripe I have is the MS fights were not satisfiying to me. They have been getting better, but they just aren't as good as other Gundam series. This series isn't about Gundam fights, but I still whish they were a little better. I really like the Battleship Vs. Battleship fights though.

As for the episode, I have no idea why people are saying not much happend in this one. Quite a bit happend.

I like how they played "Find the Way" at the end, with all the crying going on. Nicely done. Plus, "Find the Way" is my favorite SEED song after "River".

A+ (or 10/10)

Duke

03-22-2005, 10:53 PM

I really like the Battleship Vs. Battleship fights though. Yea, most of the battleships are just places to house the Mobile Suits in other series. I like how they are actually viable threats (well, except for the Valiants, which only hit anything once every 20 episodes).

I like how they played "Find the Way" at the end, with all the crying going on. Nicely done. Plus, "Find the Way" is my favorite SEED song after "River".Your taste in SEED music astounds me.

Funkatron

03-22-2005, 10:58 PM

Yea, most of the battleships are just places to house the Mobile Suits in other series. I like how they are actually viable threats (well, except for the Valiants, which only hit anything once every 20 episodes).

Your taste in SEED music astounds me.
Gaagh..I still can't remember what weapon does what on the ArchAngel. Valiants are the side energy weapons correct?? Or are thet thise laser canons up top??

Duke

03-22-2005, 11:33 PM

Gaagh..I still can't remember what weapon does what on the ArchAngel. Valiants are the side energy weapons correct?? Or are thet thise laser canons up top??
Igelstellung - The machine guns that never run out of ammo
Valiants - The charged pulse cannons near the ship's engines
Gottfrieds - The big guns that shoot green lasers right above the Mobile Suit launchers.
Corinthos/Sledgehammers - The big missiles shot out of the side of the ship. I think the Sledgehammers have multiple smaller missiles hidden inside.
Helldarts - The little tiny missiles shot out of the side of the ship underneath the bridge.
Lohengrin - The big uber-powerful energy weapon located at the end of the Archangel's "legs."

Funkatron

03-22-2005, 11:43 PM

Riza Hawkeye

03-22-2005, 11:46 PM

Gaagh..I still can't remember what weapon does what on the ArchAngel. Valiants are the side energy weapons correct?? Or are thet thise laser canons up top?? Picture time!

Helldrats (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap149.jpg)
Valiants (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap154.jpg)
Gottfried (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap150.jpg)
Igelstellung (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap151.jpg) (anti-air fire)
Sledgehammer (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap153.jpg)
Lohengrin (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap152.jpg)

EDIT: I see Duke gave you description of them, but those are pictures of them.

Catlover

03-23-2005, 08:41 AM

Your taste in SEED music astounds me.
Is that a good kind of astound, or a bad kind of astound? :sweat:

Duke

03-23-2005, 10:34 AM

Is that a good kind of astound, or a bad kind of astound? :sweat:
I personally can't stand River, and Find the Way, though decent, doesn't compare to the other three endings.

Funkatron

03-23-2005, 10:41 AM

Picture time!

Helldrats (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap149.jpg)
Valiants (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap154.jpg)
Gottfried (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap150.jpg)
Igelstellung (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap151.jpg) (anti-air fire)
Sledgehammer (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap153.jpg)
Lohengrin (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap152.jpg)

EDIT: I see Duke gave you description of them, but those are pictures of them.
Thank you Riza!! If you aare a guy, a pat on the back you get! A girl, a peck on the cheek and wink ;)

Catlover

03-23-2005, 10:58 AM

I personally can't stand River, and Find the Way, though decent, doesn't compare to the other three endings.
I can understand River. It took some time to grow on me. Really, what I like about the song is Tatsuya Iishi's voice.

I love all of the SEED songs, but I like those two just a notch above the others.

Duke

03-23-2005, 11:05 AM

I can understand River. It took some time to grow on me. Really, what I like about the song is Tatsuya Iishi's voice.
My roommate doesn't like the singer, but loves the music. I can't stand either. :P

I love all of the SEED songs, but I like those two just a notch above the others.
River is the only SEED song I don't really like.

rubberchicken

03-23-2005, 11:09 AM

Thank you Riza!! If you aare a guy, a pat on the back you get! A girl, a peck on the cheek and wink ;)

lol @ sexual e-harassment

Anyway, on topic... What's the name of the 4th OP? The third and fourth were the only ones I found at all appealing...

Wounded_Dragon

03-23-2005, 11:59 AM

Sounds weird, but I like River and Find the Way more when they're NOT part of the EDs. River...just doesn't fit. Find the Way sounds entirely too cheery when placed against that ending animation.

4th OP song is Realize. I'm not sure about the opening animation for that. It seems kinda too busy.

Funkatron

03-23-2005, 12:31 PM

lol @ sexual e-harassment

Anyway, on topic... What's the name of the 4th OP? The third and fourth were the only ones I found at all appealing...
Sexual e-harassment?? Me?? Never;)

solarflere

03-23-2005, 12:32 PM

Igelstellung - The machine guns that never run out of ammo
Valiants - The charged pulse cannons near the ship's engines
Gottfrieds - The big guns that shoot green lasers right above the Mobile Suit launchers.
Corinthos/Sledgehammers - The big missiles shot out of the side of the ship. I think the Sledgehammers have multiple smaller missiles hidden inside.
Helldarts - The little tiny missiles shot out of the side of the ship underneath the bridge.
Lohengrin - The big uber-powerful energy weapon located at the end of the

Armament:
225cm dual high-energy beam cannon "Gottfried Mk.71" x 2
110cm linear cannon (http://gundamofficial.com/worlds/ce/background/glossary_technology.html#lineargun) "Valiant Mk.8" x 2
positron blaster cannon (http://gundamofficial.com/worlds/ce/background/glossary_technology.html#positronblaster) "Lohengrin" x 2
75mm automatic multi-barrel CIWS "Igelstellung (http://gundamofficial.com/worlds/ce/background/glossary_technology.html#igelstellung)" x 16
large missile launcher x 24
surface-to-air missile launcher x 16
anti-beam depth charge launchers (http://gundamofficial.com/worlds/ce/background/glossary_technology.html#antibeamdepthcharge)

This is from http://gundamofficial.com

The one you missed are the anti-beam depth charge launchers (http://gundamofficial.com/worlds/ce/background/glossary_technology.html#antibeamdepthcharge)

Will Sturnick

03-23-2005, 04:09 PM

positron blaster cannon (http://gundamofficial.com/worlds/ce/background/glossary_technology.html#positronblaster) "Lohengrin" x 2

What is it with anime and Wagnerian Opera references?

Riza Hawkeye

03-23-2005, 05:07 PM

Thank you Riza!! If you aare a guy, a pat on the back you get! A girl, a peck on the cheek and wink ;) The latter, you cad :p

Funkatron

03-23-2005, 05:15 PM

The latter, you cad :p
A cad, you say!!!

That cut me deep. Real deep. I'm nothing but a gentleman.;):D

FlyByNite77

03-23-2005, 05:25 PM

What is it with anime and Wagnerian Opera references?Hell the whole mythology in Soukyuu No Fafner is built around it.

Riza Hawkeye

03-23-2005, 05:35 PM

A cad, you say!!!

That cut me deep. Real deep. I'm nothing but a gentleman.;):DSure you are ;) I'll believe it when I see it :p

Funkatron

03-23-2005, 05:37 PM

Sure you are ;) I'll believe it when I see it :p
last off topic post, I swear:

A challenge, hmmm??? Hope I can deliver :p

Demonic Raven

03-23-2005, 05:42 PM

About the endings...

Weird. My favorite ending happens to be River. Second is Anna ni..and the rest I haven't sat down to listen to, though Find the Way doesn't entice me at all from what I heard.

Well, on second thought...maybe Anna ni does edge out River. I'm not sure, they're actually interchangable in my mind. :sweat:

Funkatron

03-23-2005, 05:48 PM

This last ending just doesn't suit the show. Way too slow. I much more prefer he first 2.

G1Ravage

03-23-2005, 05:58 PM

4th OP song is Realize. I'm not sure about the opening animation for that. It seems kinda too busy.
The fourth OP marks the return of the Zero-G Boobies. And they seem to have some connection to Mu and Rau.

CONSPIRACY!!!

FlyByNite77

03-23-2005, 06:01 PM

Speaking of Zero-G boobies...Aren't we getting close to the point where the scene of that one animated gif that posted so long ago of the zero-g boobage is gonna happen? :D

Riza Hawkeye

03-23-2005, 06:04 PM

last off topic post, I swear:

A challenge, hmmm??? Hope I can deliver :pWe'll see :p [/off topic]

Anyway back on topic: For me the endings rank as Anna ni Isshodatta no ni > Find the Way > River.

The openings are tougher, Realize > Invoke > Believe > Moment. I like the openings to SEED more then I like the endings.

@FlyByNite77 - that scene would be in episode 49, the second to last episode.

FlyByNite77

03-23-2005, 06:08 PM

We'll see :p [/off topic]

@FlyByNite77 - that scene would be in episode 49, the second to last episode.darn, still a few weeks away...:anime:

Demonic Raven

03-23-2005, 06:10 PM

Believe > Invoke > Moment > Realize. Anyway...

Zero-G Boobies. Ugh. Those things are scary. They are supposed to be sexy, I'm not naive, but it's just...not.

My first time through "Invoke"....... "blah blah Gundams are awesome blah blah Invoke is pretty good blah bl-[ZERO-G BOOB'D] AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!"

My pride was firmly squashed that day...as I was actually scared by a pair of boobs. It was truly a sad day :crying: . "Realize" is worse, really. You're just watching Rau and Mu and they pop up out of literally nowhere...

As a side note, do we honestly have to see that naked Kira/Lacus thing every single time?

rubberchicken

03-23-2005, 07:13 PM

As a side note, do we honestly have to see that naked Kira/Lacus thing every single time?

Something has to hold the fanboys' interest. Besides, if it weren't for that picture there'd be no indication that the writers intended them to be together, considering how lukewarm their "romance" is.

Pepperidge

03-23-2005, 07:19 PM

Actually, it's more like Sunrise and Bandai want them together. The director and writers seem to be doing everything they can to keep them distanced.

Wounded_Dragon

03-23-2005, 07:39 PM

Actually, it's more like Sunrise and Bandai want them together. The director and writers seem to be doing everything they can to keep them distanced.
So the directors and writers want Kira to stay attached to the psycho-manipulative one out to perform a genetic culling, with the vague notion that he'll change her mind because he's him. Err...good for her, bad for Kira...

Realize feels weaker for me in the tv version against that fast montage of images. Not only are most just a rehash of previously used shots, they fly by not letting any of them sink in.

I really really dislike the second animated ending. The only good shots are the first and last. Everything in-between is far too cheerful. It's actually kinda disturbing to see certain characters getting along that should be.

Cheesecake

03-23-2005, 07:48 PM

Actually, it's more like Sunrise and Bandai want them together. The director and writers seem to be doing everything they can to keep them distanced.
poooo

Scirel

03-23-2005, 10:49 PM

Minor, basically insignifacnt destiny spoilers:

In destiny, Kira is very cold, and dosen`t seem to react emotionally. He`s pretty level headed, actually, but he still treats Lacus as a sister more than anything else.

Athrun and Cagali, meanwhile, make a lot of progress in their realtionship in destiny, including...
Athrun and Cagalli becoming engaged in episode um... I think it was 8.

rubberchicken

03-23-2005, 11:45 PM

Athrun and Cagali, meanwhile, make a lot of progress in their realtionship in destiny, including...
Athrun and Cagalli becoming engaged in episode um... I think it was 8.

I won't be happy until Cagalli actually makes progress as a character. Who is this crybaby? I want the ass-kicking guerilla chick back, dammit!

And I just know Kira's going to be bailing her out all the time once she starts using Strike Rouge...

Scirel

03-24-2005, 12:29 AM

Destiny Spoilers

Well, do keep in mind she hasn`t been in the last five or six episodes(of Destiny).

She is supposed to do something important on saturday`s ep, though. If you`ve seen the latest ep, even Athrun acknowledges Cagalli`s faults.

Cagalli`s charachter did change a lot, and with good reason, when they left orb in seed since she basically lost her country and her father all at once. Shinn`s abuse(although somewhat justified) certainly didn`t help any. His animosity toward athrun seems solely based on his connection to Cagalli and Orb, as he seems to respect athrun in other ways.

Just about everyone around her, both antagonistic and on her side, is telling her that she`s acting too much on her emotions.(I believe this is what athrun says in 22, though not to her face)

rubberchicken

03-24-2005, 12:50 AM

Yeah, but she's been an incompetent crybaby ever since she met Athrun on the island... :sad:

NickWhiz1

03-24-2005, 01:01 AM

You silly heads, we all know the correct answers are Believe > ignited > Invoke = Realize = Pride >>> Moment and Anna ni Isshodatta no ni > Reason > Find the Way = Life Goes On >>> River, but I digress...

And yes, Cagalli is slated to launch in Strike Rouge in Episode 23, along with Andy's custom Murasame :anime:. Supposedly, she's going to (unsuccessfully) try to stop the fight, but here's hoping she's improved her piloting abilities in two years. The only reason she survived Jachin Due was because of her main character aura.

As for her personality, how would you feel if your father sacrificed himself in the way he did, only to find out he wasn't really your father and that you were the daughter of a mad scientist? Not only that, but now you're in charge of rebuilding a country and trying to prevent anything like the EA invasion from happening again. Fast forward to Destiny, where we find out she's a pawn in the hands of the Seirans and the rest of Orb's council AND has a brand new conflict to deal with, which could potentially be bigger than the last one. Oh, and her boyfriend ran off to rejoin the ZAFT military and her twin brother had to rescue her from getting married to a guy with a purple mullet.

Tell me you wouldn't be affected AT ALL by any of that.

Go ahead.

rubberchicken

03-24-2005, 01:07 AM

I repeat:

Yeah, but she's been an incompetent crybaby EVER SINCE SHE MET ATHRUN ON THE ISLAND. :sad:

And it hasn't slowed down any of the other characters who've lost loved ones.

Scirel

03-24-2005, 01:13 AM

And it hasn't slowed down any of the other characters who've lost loved ones.Because Fllay and Miri weren`t affected at all.;) Athrun was a trained soldier by the time he lost his father, and had seen plenty of death already. It wouldn`t affect him as much as a civillian.
and as Nick said, Cagalli went through A LOT more than just losing her dad.

rubberchicken

03-24-2005, 01:19 AM

Because Fllay and Miri weren`t affected at all.;) Athrun was a trained soldier by the time he lost his father, and had seen plenty of death already. It wouldn`t affect him as much as a civillian.
and as Nick said, Cagalli went through A LOT more than just losing her dad.

Miri recovered very quickly. Forgot about Fllay somehow, but... I'm thinking more about the general lack of lasting impact that her death (and the bio-lab revelation) has on Kira. Or Murrue's recovery from the loss of Mwu. Or the ZAFT trio's recovery from losing Nichol (well, Athrun doesn't count so much, since Nichol's killer was also his friend... but Yzak gets over it surprisingly well.)

Riza Hawkeye

03-24-2005, 01:24 AM

Don't forget the feelings she likely had for Kira before she knew he was her brother. She seemed disgusted with herself after finding out they were twins. That's something that can really screw someone up too.

Scirel

03-24-2005, 01:30 AM

Unlike everyone else, Cagalli`s life fundamentally changed when her father died, as nick said. The ZAFT boys were hardened soldiers by then, and had seen a lot of death. They did show anger, but got over it over time. Murrue lost Mwu at the very end of Seed, so we really didn`t get to see how it affected her that much.

As for Kira, judging by his cold demeanor in Destiny, I`d say he was affected. In Seed he was depressed, in Destiny he seems determined and unshakeable.

Duke

03-24-2005, 02:06 PM

Realize feels weaker for me in the tv version against that fast montage of images. Not only are most just a rehash of previously used shots, they fly by not letting any of them sink in.
Realize sounds so weird in TV-Size after hearing the full version so much. That, and the fact that it doesn't blend into the show nearly as well as Believe makes me wish Believe stayed the OP until the end. Hell, Realize sounds even more off in the show than Moment does, which is saying something.

I really really dislike the second animated ending. The only good shots are the first and last. Everything in-between is far too cheerful. It's actually kinda disturbing to see certain characters getting along that should be.I find it hilarious that all the machines & stuff are wrecked except for Justice and Freedom, who are squeaky clean. Oh, and that while we got the return of the Mobius Zero, the Skygraspers were missing.

That reminds me, what DID happen to the Mobius Zero and the Skygrasper 1? Are they just sitting in the docking bay, gathering dust, or did the technicians take them apart for spare parts?

G1Ravage

03-24-2005, 08:54 PM

solarflere

03-24-2005, 11:19 PM

I don't remember the edited dub broadcast this past week, but did they leave in any mention that Lacus' father was killed? I don't remember at this point. I just watched the uncut DVD and was touched when Lacus told Kira, "My father...he's dead...", and then she breaks down and starts crying in Kira's arms. Yea they did but instead it was "my father, he didn't make it" For some reason they don't like the words die, dead or dies. In Gundam Wing, every word like killed, dead, or die was replaced by destroyed. Somehow I dont see the reason for that. Destroyed actualy seems worce than killed.

G1Ravage

03-24-2005, 11:48 PM

Yea they did but instead it was "my father, he didn't make it" For some reason they don't like the words die, dead or dies. In Gundam Wing, every word like killed, dead, or die was replaced by destroyed. Somehow I dont see the reason for that. Destroyed actualy seems worce than killed.
And since they actually cut the scene where Mr. Clyne was gunned down, no one watching CN's version knows what happened to him.

And in Gundam Wing, WS only removed versions of the word 'kill'. 'Dead', 'death', 'die', etc. was all okay in that dub. Only 'killing' was bad.

Duke

03-25-2005, 09:30 AM

And since they actually cut the scene where Mr. Clyne was gunned down, no one watching CN's version knows what happened to him.
Well, they showed the guns being pointed at him, as well as Zala saying "But Clyne's daughter is still alive!" I'm pretty sure anyone who watched got the idea that he's dead.

I just wish we saw him do more before then. I mean, we never did see what he actually did to help his daughter.

Wounded_Dragon

03-25-2005, 08:06 PM

Well, they showed the guns being pointed at him, as well as Zala saying "But Clyne's daughter is still alive!" I'm pretty sure anyone who watched got the idea that he's dead.

I just wish we saw him do more before then. I mean, we never did see what he actually did to help his daughter.
Depends on how cynical your view of education and critical thinking skills is. Sometimes, such things need to be shown. It lessens the impact when it's offscreen (the intent of the editing I'm sure) and allows for ambiguity in interpretation that shouldn't be there.

I wish they'd have shown more of both of the Clynes. They're almost too conveinent.