Batman: TAS on DVD Part 2

[BrianUK]

Just read James' news on the newspage and ...

WAAHOOOOO !!!!!!!!

5 eps per disc aint great but it aint bad. I guess the pain would be eased with some features and Timm introductions would do nicely for me !!

This is great news indeed.


-BrianUK (who comes out of the woodwork when there's DVD's to be talkin about)

[i]Edit: This thread was merged with 'Batman:TAS on DVD Part 2'. Since this posted was posted first, this one will appear first.

[James Harvey]

It is great, eh? I'm glad I got some official new son this. Plus, he gave me some information on the BB:ROTJ Uncut DVD as well as the JL DVD. All these should hit 2002. I'll be providing more information on these DVDs when the Bruce Timm interview is unveiled...

[Karkull]

I'll bet this is a test--Warner Bros. has listened to us (finally!) and are willing to consider the format, but want to make sure that they will sell. Future volumes could depend on how well these sell, so buy them up!

[James Harvey]

Agreed! I'll be medling this into the current Batman: TAS on DVD thread shortly, but I'll let it strive for awhile, first.

I think this is definatly a test as well, as are the release of WORLD'S FINEST and SUB-ZERO to DVD. If those sell good, then we can be assured more DTVs...

[James Harvey]

Yup, we've reached 30 pages so I've had to close the one and open Part 2. So, here's a little catch up:

The DVD is NOT THEMATIC!!!!!! The first DVD will contain episodes # 1 - 5. This comes from Bruce Timm himself. Expect full details in the news soon...

The DVD will contain episodes #1 - 5. That means that there will have to be about 22 - 23 DVDs to get every episodes on disc.

Episodes #1 - 5 are:

1. On Leather Wings
2. Christmas With The Joker
3. Nothing To Fear
4. The Last Laugh
5. Pretty Poison

And here's a link to the original thread:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11043

Here's alink to the WB Chat transcript at www.hometheaterforum.com :

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/files/warner2.txt

And the newspage post about the Batman: Animated DVDs:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13639

Okay - lets the discussions continue!

[Tim Drake]

crap 22 DVDs!! I'm going to go broke!! At 15 dollars a DVD that's
330 dollars!! At 20 dollars that's 440 dollars!!! I need to start saving!!!

[The Mad Hatter]

That's a heck of a lot of money to spend... but I'll gladly spend it! Thank you, for giving us the episodes, all the episodes, in order!!

[Karkull]

Yup, it's a lot of money, but it won't seem that way over several years. It's the "price" we must pay, :D.

Now, how about the Superman cartoon?

[ZorBrak]

YAHOO!!! Chronological order yeah!!! I URGE EVERYONE to buy this disc the more support we show Warner the better the chancs are of obtaining the whole series on DVD so EVERYONE GO BUY IT! Heck I'll buy one for me, my brother, and I may buy a few as presents

[ZorBrak]

To adress the above question Superman DVDs may not be as forseeable but it is rumored that the World's Finest DVD movie will also contain the other crossover episodes, other than that, no real animated sup news but it is coming back to Cartoon Network this winter and is being aired in chronological order so you can get good VHS ciopies just record em in SP mode and wait till DVDR players go down in price and walaa you got your Superman DVDs (thats what Im doing with Superman, Justice League and Batman Beyond)

[MattL.]

I dont see why the wouldn't put Superman TAS on DVD as well.

Esepcially with the popularity of Smallville and Justice League it'd be idiotic of them not to.

[James Harvey]

World's Finest will be the test for Superman. I'm not sure why they don't do the same "test" that they are doing with Batman, but I guess they think this will be the way.

Did I mention these begin to hit in April of 2002 with Batman: Animated and the JL DVD. I think they either ALL hit in April or they are released beginning in April.

[baggins]

I fear this might go the same way as the VHS version of the series.
They started off with the episodes in the order as they first appeared on T.V .But that did not last long.They finally released other episodes to coinside with thier live action movie releases.
then they didn't release them in any order. They only released about 40 episodes from thier first series in all on video.Unless they are going to release 5-10 DvDs at a time , I can not see them doing all 109 episodes.

[Bird Boy]

if I hadn't gone to the bathroom beforehand..I would've wet my pants...

5 per DVD isn't bad..I wouldn't mind 10 eps being Released a month..that'd be good...

and I'm so happy it's IN ORDER.....man oh man..I'm so excited........

And Billy Pye...with Bruce Timm behind these DVD releases, I doubt if he'll let them veer off course....we WILL get them in order by golly!

-BB

[ZorBrak]

<<I fear this might go the same way as the VHS version of the series.
They started off with the episodes in the order as they first appeared on T.V .But that did not last long.They finally released other episodes to coinside with thier live action movie releases.
then they didn't release them in any order. They only released about 40 episodes from thier first series in all on video.Unless they are going to release 5-10 DvDs at a time , I can not see them doing all 109 episodes.>>




why not? anime certainly gets that much and sometimes more and Batman TAS has plenty of fans the main concern is that all fans show suppoert and that we, buy em all, I know I will, it also should be noted that all of the TAS fans have aged considerably since the first video was released I was jsut a kid, so I wasnt even all that much of a movie buyer now i get 1-2 DVDs every week, so not only has the fan base expanded since then but people that were too young to care about the tapes then will want the DVDs now, the fan base has expanded since the tapes release also, since then new younger audiences were exposed to it on Cartoon Network and this will continue when it reairs next year, and Batman Beyond and Justice League may pull more fans in as well, I forsee that these DVDs will be quite succesful

[baggins]

Originally posted by Bird_Boy
if I hadn't gone to the bathroom beforehand..I would've wet my pants...

5 per DVD isn't bad..I wouldn't mind 10 eps being Released a month..that'd be good...

and I'm so happy it's IN ORDER.....man oh man..I'm so excited........

And Billy Pye...with Bruce Timm behind these DVD releases, I doubt if he'll let them veer off course....we WILL get them in order by golly!

-BB

I hope you're right.I don't want to sound too pessimistic but WB has let fans down in the past. With Bruce Timm working behind the scenes maybe we'll all get what we want.I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[baggins]

Originally posted by ZorBrak
<<I fear this might go the same way as the VHS version of the series.
They started off with the episodes in the order as they first appeared on T.V .But that did not last long.They finally released other episodes to coinside with thier live action movie releases.
then they didn't release them in any order. They only released about 40 episodes from thier first series in all on video.Unless they are going to release 5-10 DvDs at a time , I can not see them doing all 109 episodes.>>




why not? anime certainly gets that much and sometimes more and Batman TAS has plenty of fans the main concern is that all fans show suppoert and that we, buy em all, I know I will, it also should be noted that all of the TAS fans have aged considerably since the first video was released I was jsut a kid, so I wasnt even all that much of a movie buyer now i get 1-2 DVDs every week, so not only has the fan base expanded since then but people that were too young to care about the tapes then will want the DVDs now, the fan base has expanded since the tapes release also, since then new younger audiences were exposed to it on Cartoon Network and this will continue when it reairs next year, and Batman Beyond and Justice League may pull more fans in as well, I forsee that these DVDs will be quite succesful

That is what the ardent fan would do. But for the ordinary consumer they would soon tire of waiting for them all to come out.
Why couldn't they just think big for once. as I said to BB I hope I'm wrong.

[kid_flash]

There's no way I'm buying every DVD if they release 'em like that! I'll definitely pick up the first one, and then I'll have to see from there. Or I'll just ask for nothing but Bat-DVDs for Christmas :)

A Bruce Timm interview? Can't wait! Thanks for the good news, DG!

[Calhoun07]

I am glad they are doing it in chronological order, but did Timm indicate only a single DVD would be available at first, or just five episodes per DVD in a larger set? With what frequency will they be released?

[Heehaw]

Am I the only one who is disappointed that the episodes aren't being released in airdate order. That is certainly preferable to production order, as it seems to be the case. What a crappy first disc(with the exception of On Leather Wings and Pretty Poison). If it were airdate order we would have gotten The Cat and the Claw 1, On Leather Wings, Heart of Ice, Feat of Clay 1 and 2. Three great episodes, 1 good(Cat), and 1 bad(Feat 1)

I'm not complaining, though, we're getting them and that's what matters. Now as long as they are remastered I'll be even happier. Those older shows sure are dirty.

[Calhoun07]

If this is the Bruce Timm approved order of episodes, then I am all for it.

[Heehaw]

I could care less if it were approved by Timm. He's not the sole reason why the series was such high quality. Alan Burnett, Paul Dini, Radomski, Boyd Kirkland, Altieri, Walker, Romano, the actors talent, and a host of others were the reason. It should be released in airdate order, though production order is better than themes like the Columbia House debacle.

Radomski should get alot more credit. He is the one that started the use of black paper for the backgrounds, and he was also brought in to lighten the original FOX series up a bit(in terms of it's nasty violent nature) and give it that creative edge that the later WB series lacked. Basically, he was the reason why that series was the way it was and he held the brunt of the power. Yeah, this info. isn't public record, but believe me it is true. It's all in who you know and how you get your info.

The real reason Dini isn't working on JL season one was because he and Timm had a falling out over Batman Beyond. Dini bragged that he was responsible for it's "success" and creation and well you can fill in the rest. I'm just glad he'll be back for season 2 so that he can clean that mess of a show up a bit. Maybe Burnett and Walker will return, too.

Oh yeah, if anyone is interested, this link will give you a good idea how the episodes will be released on DVD, assuming they stick with production order. Not a pretty sight:

http://www.toonzone.net/shows/episodes/batman.html

I guess my first gripe are the 2-parters. Yeah Cat and the Claw and Robin's Reckoning aired with episodes inbetween them, but the stuff up in that list is ridiculous.

[Beyond Batman]

Wow, this DVD update sounds awesome. I will definitly be buying these at any costs. I just hope this news pulls through. We've been shafted by WB before, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

BTW, Heehaw, I agree with the point you just made. Timm seems to be getting more credit than he deserves. He's not the only creative genius behind BTAS. Alan Burnett, Paul Dini, Radomski, Boyd Kirkland, Altieri, Walker, Romano, even all the voice actors definitly need to be recognized and appreciated.

[Robin's Cape]

Ummm.... guys???

According to "Dick Grayson's" original story, Bruce Timm said, "By the way, the B:TAS DVD contains the first five episodes, NOT a "thematic" or single character grouping."

Then, "Dick Grayson" said:

The DVD will contain the episodes "On Leather Wings", "Christmas With the Joker", "The Last Laugh", "Pretty Poison", and "Nothing To Fear".

This is NOT in any kind of order that I understand. According to airdate order, these are episodes #1, #38, #15, #9, and then #10. And they do not go in this order, even according to production order, unless the "Cinefantastique" magazine I have that is an episode guide to the series is a bunch of made-up hooey.

How is this "the first five episodes"??? Can someone please help me, perhaps include a link to a website that has the episodes in this order?

[Robin's Cape]

Oops. Sorry. Newbie mistake, I guess. Didn't read the whole thread before I made my post.

Thanks, Heehaw, for the link to the "production order" list!!!

You are right, what a MESS!!! Geez, part twos of many of the storylines were made sometimes five or six episodes later. If they were to put them out on DVD in that order, we wouldn't even get pts. one and two of the same story on the same disc.

What a nightmare.

Oh, and my "two cents worth" (in case anyone cares) on the airdate problems is this: My list is in air date order except two-parters, in which part two is always listed immediately after part one, regardless of when it was first broadcast. Oh, and "The Cat & The Claw" two-parter only is listed by the air date of part 2, because part 1 was shown obviously out of order. And "Sins of the Father" is listed before “Holiday Knights” despite their air dates because “Sins” is clearly chronologically the first episode of GOTHAM KNIGHTS.


Here's the order that I would release them:

1. On Leather Wings (Man-Bat 1st appearance & origin, Harvey Dent) air date: 9/6/92
2. Heart Of Ice (Mr. Freeze 1st & origin) 9/7/92
3. Feat of Clay (Clayface origin, Roland Daggett) 9/8/92
4. Feat of Clay, part 2 ( " ) 9/9/92
5. It's Never Too Late (Arnold Stromwell, Rupert Thorne) 9/10/92
6. Joker's Favor (Joker, Harley Quinn 1st) 9/11/92
7. The Cat And The Claw (Catwoman 1st, Red Claw 1st) 9/5/92
8. The Cat And The Claw, part 2 ( " ) 9/12/92
9. Pretty Poison (Poison Ivy 1st & origin, Harvey Dent) 9/14/92
10. Nothing To Fear (Scarecrow 1st & origin) 9/15/92
11. Be A Clown (Joker, mayor's son) 9/16/92
12. Appointment In Crime Alley (Roland Daggett; Leslie Thompkins) 9/17/92
13. P.O.V. (cops: Montoya, Bullock & rookie) 9/18/92
14. The Clock King (Clock King 1st & origin) 9/21/92
15. The Last Laugh (Joker, "Captain Clown") 9/22/92
16. Eternal Youth (Poison Ivy; w/Alfred) 9/23/92
17. Two-Face (Two-Face 1st & origin, Rupert Thorne) 9/25/92
18. Two-Face, part 2 ( " ) 9/28/92
19. Fear of Victory (Scarecrow; Robin) 9/29/92
20. I've Got Batman In My Basement (Penguin) 9/30/92
21. Vendetta (Killer Croc 1st & origin, Rupert Thorne) 10/5/92
22. Prophecy Of Doom (Nostromos) 10/6/92
23. The Forgotten (homeless kidnapped) 10/8/92
24. Mad As A Hatter (Mad Hatter 1st & origin) 10/12/92
25. The Cape & Cowl Conspiracy (Josiah Wormwood) 10/14/92
26. Perchance To Dream (Mad Hatter) 10/19/92
27. The Underdwellers (Sewer King) 10/21/92
28. Night Of The Ninja (Kyodai Ken 1st; Robin) 10/26/92
29. The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne (Hugo Strange, many villian cameos; Robin) 10/29/92
30. Tyger, Tyger (Catwoman, Tygrus) 10/30/92
31. Dreams In Darkness (Scarecrow, Arkham) 11/3/92
32. Beware The Gray Ghost (Gray Ghost) 11/4/92
33. Cat Scratch Fever (Catwoman, Roland Dagett, Professor Milo) 11/5/92
34. I Am The Night (Comissioner Gordon wounded) 11/9/92
35. Almost Got 'Im (rogues gallery of villians) 11/10/92
36. Moon of the Wolf (Professor Milo, werewolf) 11/11/92
37. Terror In The Sky (Man-Bat , She-Bat 1st) 11/12/92
38. Christmas With The Joker (Joker; Robin) 11/13/92
39. Heart of Steel (Barbara Gordon 1st, HARDAC 1st & origin) 11/16/92
40. Heart of Steel, part 2 ( " ) 11/17/92
41. If You're So Smart, Why Aren't You Rich? (Riddler 1st & origin; Robin) 11/18/92
42. Joker's Wild (Joker, wacky villains, casino) 11/19/92
43. His Silicon Soul (HARDAC, Batman robot) 11/20/92
44. Off-Balance (Count Vertigo, Talia 1st, Ra's Al Ghul 1st/cameo) 11/23/92
45. What Is Reality? (Riddler) 11/24/92
46. The Laughing Fish (Joker, Harley Quinn) 1/10/93
47. Harley & Ivy (Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Joker) 1/18/93
48. The Mechanic (Penguin) 1/24/93
49. The Man Who Killed Batman (Joker, Harley Quinn, Rupert Thorne) 2/1/93
50. Zatanna (Zatanna origin) 2/2/93
51. Robin's Reckoning (Tony Zucco; Robin origin) 2/7/93
52. Robin's Reckoning, part 2 (Tony Zucco, Arnold Stromwell; Robin) 2/14/93
53. Birds Of A Feather (Penguin, high society) 2/8/93
54. Blind As A Bat (Penguin) 2/22/93
55. Day of the Samurai (Kyodai Ken) 2/23/93
56. See No Evil (invisible guy) 2/24/93
57. The Demon's Quest (Ra's Al Ghul, Talia; Robin) 5/3/93
58. The Demon's Quest, part 2 ( " ) 5/4/93
59. Read My Lips (Scarface/Ventriloquist 1st) 5/10/93
60. Fire From Olympus (Maxie Zeus) 5/24/93
61. Shadow Of The Bat (Barbara Gordon/"Batgirl" 1st, Two-Face; Robin) 9/13/93
62. Shadow Of The Bat, part 2 ( " , Two-Face) 9/14/93
63. Mudslide (Clayface) 9/15/93
64. The Worry Men (Mad Hatter) 9/16/93
65. Paging The Crime Doctor (Dr. Thorne, Rupert Thorne; Leslie Thompkins) 9/17/93
66. House And Garden (Poison Ivy) 5/2/94
67. Sideshow (Killer Croc, sideshow freaks) 5/3/94
68. Avatar (Ra's Al Ghul, Avatar) 5/9/94
69. Trial (D.A. tries to convict Batman) 5/16/94
70. Harlequinade (Joker, Harley Quinn; Robin) 5/25/94
71. Bane (Bane 1st & origin, Rupert Thorne; Robin) 9/10/94
72. Second Chance (Two-Face, ? ; Robin) 9/17/94
73. Riddler's Reform (Riddler; Robin) 9/26/94
74. Baby Doll (child actor grown up; Robin) 10/1/94
75. Time Out Of Joint (Clock King; Robin) 10/8/94
76. Harley's Holiday (Harley Quinn; Robin) 10/15/94
77. Make 'Em Laugh (Joker; Robin) 11/5/94
78. Batgirl Returns (Catwoman, Roland Daggett; Batgirl, Robin) 11/12/94
79. Lock-Up (Lockup 1st & origin; Robin) 11/19/94
80. Deep Freeze (Mr. Freeze; Robin) 11/26/94
81. The Terrible Trio (playboys' crimes; Robin) 9/11/95
82. Showdown (Ra's Al Ghul; Robin, Jonah Hex) 9/12/95
83. Catwalk (Catwoman, Scarface/Ventriloquist) 9/13/95
84. A Bullet For Bullock (someone trying to kill Bullock) 9/14/95
85. The Lion & The Unicorn (Red Claw; Robin) 9/16/95

BATMAN : GOTHAM KNIGHTS

86. Sins Of The Father (Two-Face; Robin II 1st & origin, Batgirl) 9/20/97
87. Holiday Knights (Harley & Poison Ivy, Clayface, Joker; Robin II, Batgirl) 9/13/97
88. Cold Comfort (Mr. Freeze; Robin II, Batgirl) 10/11/97
89. Never Fear (Scarecrow; Robin II) 11/1/97
90. You Scratch My Back (Catwoman; Dick Grayson/"Nightwing" 1st, Batgirl) 11/15/97
91. Double Talk (Scarface/Ventriloquist) 11/22/97
92. Joker's Millions (Joker, Harley; Batgirl, Nightwing; Penguin, Poison Ivy brief) 2/21/98
93. Growing Pains (Clayface, lost girl; Robin II) 2/28/98
94. Mean Seasons (Calendar Girl; Batgirl) 4/24/98
95. Over The Edge (Scarecrow, Bane; Robin II, Nightwing, Batgirl) 5/23/98
96. Torch Song (Firefly 1st) 6/13/98
97. Love Is A Croc (Killer Croc & Baby Doll team-up; Batgirl) 7/11/98
98. The Ultimate Thrill (Roxy Rocket 1st) 9/14/98
99. Cult of the Cat (Catwoman, cat cult) 9/18/98
100. Critters (farmer & giant animals; Robin II, Batgirl) 9/19/98
101. Animal Act (Mad Hatter; Robin II, Nightwing) 9/26/98
102. The Demon Within (Klarion; Jason Blood/Etrigan the Demon) 10/3/98???
103. Old Wounds (Joker; Robin II, Nightwing, Batgirl) 10/3/98???
104. Legends Of The Dark Knight (Joker, Firefly; Robin, Robin III) 10/10/98
105. Girls' Night Out (Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Livewire; Batgirl, Supergirl) 10/17/98
106. Chemistry (Poison Ivy; Robin II, Nightwing) 10/24/98
107. Judgement Day (judge; Penguin, Killer Croc, Two-Face) 10/31/98
108. Beware The Creeper (the Creeper) 11/7/98
109. Mad Love (Harley Quinn origin, Joker) 1/16/99

[ZorBrak]

i would have somewhat preferred airdate simply becuase I cant wait to see heart of Ice on DVD but im good b/c I got christmas with the joker! yeah!

[ShadowWolf]

Finally a collection I won't mind spending money on.

Anybody wanna take a guess on what will be on the first cover?

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Heehaw
The real reason Dini isn't working on JL season one was because he and Timm had a falling out over Batman Beyond. Dini bragged that he was responsible for it's "success" and creation and well you can fill in the rest. I'm just glad he'll be back for season 2 so that he can clean that mess of a show up a bit. Maybe Burnett and Walker will return, too.

So that explains it.


Originally posted by Heehaw
Anybody wanna take a guess on what will be on the first cover?

Lord only knows. As the video release of World's Finest proved, they'll put anything on their video covers.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Heehaw

I guess my first gripe are the 2-parters. Yeah Cat and the Claw and Robin's Reckoning aired with episodes inbetween them, but the stuff up in that list is ridiculous.

Well, they'll probably do what CN does and just put two parters togethor while still airing them in production number order. This I wouldn't mind. While I'm slightly dissapointed that HEART OF ICE won't be on the DVD, ON LEATHER WINGS makes up for it, I suppose.

[cartoonboy]

I'll have to check the Superhero Cartoon Database for the episode airing for B:TNAS.
So these dvd's are coming out with no extras...correct?
My question is...Why have 5 approx 20min episode which will total an hour on a dvd format that can hold approx 2.5 hrs? That doesn't make any sense.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by cartoonboy
I'll have to check the Superhero Cartoon Database for the episode airing for B:TNAS.
So these dvd's are coming out with no extras...correct?
My question is...Why have 5 approx 20min episode which will total an hour on a dvd format that can hold approx 2.5 hrs? That doesn't make any sense.

I think there are some extras...didn't the 1st thread mention that Timm had some stand ups for each show?

[Golden Age Flash]

im just glad they're not by villian or any other theme, I would prefer airdate order too, but I'm not gonna complain (my 9+ year old VHS tapes are starting to look pretty bad -- not to mention the possibility of one of them getting eaten!!!! )

[Toddman]

Originally posted by cartoonboy
I'll have to check the Superhero Cartoon Database for the episode airing for B:TNAS.
So these dvd's are coming out with no extras...correct?
My question is...Why have 5 approx 20min episode which will total an hour on a dvd format that can hold approx 2.5 hrs? That doesn't make any sense.

I hate to bust you on math (I suck at it), but five episodes running 20 minutes (22 w/intro and credits) would be 100 minutes (or 110). If they can add 40 minutes or so of extras, that would give us a full DVD.

Toddman

[cartoonboy]

- my bad on the math (still sleeping) . No matter, I think there should be more than 5 episodes per dvd.

convert your episodes to vcd so you don't loose them. Check your computer paper and see if there is anyone who does vhs to cd conversions. See what that person charges. If its ridiculous, invest in one of those tv tuner cards and do it yourself. I don't know much about the conversion, its something I will be looking into.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by naraht


I think there are some extras...didn't the 1st thread mention that Timm had some stand ups for each show?


Timm said there will be some talking heads stuff (meaning possibly some featuettes) and likely some episode intros. I'm really hoping we get TV Spots or something.

[DisneyBoy]

Ok, now I'm getting a little confused...

Are the episodes in some semblance of order or aren't they?

As "Robin's Cape" pointed out, these episodes all have entirely different numbers!?! Are they being released in production order? Airing order? Random order?

Please, someone let me know, I don't know if I should be happy or sad! DG....help!

[James Harvey]

I think this will explain it easily. If WB releases ALL the episodes on DVD, they will appear in THIS order:

http://wf.toonzone.net/worldsfinestpage/btasguide.htm

The episodes are hitting in production order. The link to the guide above has the episodes listed as they should be, in production order.

[DisneyBoy]

What will they do for the two parters? They'll actually split them up just to remain in order? Something tells me if the DVD's continue, things will get messed up along the way...

[James Harvey]

I'm guessing what they will do is air them togethor. WB wouldn't be that idiotic. They will do what CN does, which is air episodes in production order, but air two parters togethor.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
I'm guessing what they will do is air them togethor. WB wouldn't be that idiotic.

I don't know - I mean, look at the Columbia House videos. We never did get part 3 of World's Finest....

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Clayface


I don't know - I mean, look at the Columbia House videos. We never did get part 3 of World's Finest....

Ah, yes -- but Columbia House decided what was to be featured on those cassettes, WB didn't have anything to do with that shameful debacle.

[Clayface]

Well, I hope you're right, but with all the poor decisions that have already come out of WB, I don't have a lot of confidence that they wouldn't do something that stupid.

[Robin's Cape]

Well, I guess I will have to get used to the "new" order of the episodes. I've always believed that these shows should be released in the order that they were originally aired, because that is how people first saw them.

But, as with the original 60's "Star Trek" series, sometimes the production order makes a whole heck of a lot more sense than the airdate order. Maybe that will be the case with "Batman: The Animated Series" as well.

All I care about, I guess, in the long run... is that they release ALL of them !!! Production order, with a few minor exceptions like putting the "part two's" immediately after the "part one's", will work for me.

I sure hope WB doesn't get sidetracked and stop releasing them partway through the run. I would hate it if they stopped making the DVDs before they release all of them... Guess I am going to have to start recording them -- again -- off of the Cartoon Network to make absolutely certain that I get the entire series in order.

I've been recording the series, off and on, since they first started airing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the early nineties, and there are still episodes I don't have on tape. Heck, there are still a couple, three that I have never even SEEN !!!

Looking forward to getting a complete collection, one way or the other.

Dick Grayson... any news yet on the extras or updates on WHY there are only five episodes per disc???

I own DVDs with 3 1/2 hour movies, 210 minutes of video. And "The Stand" mini-series (which I rented) has 360 minutes of video, PLUS a bunch of extras: an audio commentary, Production notes, Making-Of Featurette, Storyboard Comparison, Make-up Effects... ALL ON ONE SIDE OF ONE DISC !!!

Even assuming 22 minutes per episode, by my math, 360 minutes means they could easily put 15 or 16 episodes per DVD. Sounds to me like WB is getting greedy and wants to make as much money off of us as possible.

And that is a shame.

[Robin's Cape]

Okay.

Assuming the production-order release with five episodes per disc format is how they are going to do it...

... and assuming they are going to put "part two's" immediately after "part one's"...

... and assuming they will move the order of the episodes just slightly so as to never split any two-parters up between two seperate discs...

... this is how it would look:



( Interesting that Vol.17 is the end of the "first series" and that Vol.18 is the beginning of the "new series", a nice clean break between discs. Nice how that works. Also, note that the final disc would only have four episodes. )



VOLUME ONE:

001. 09-06-92. On Leather Wings
002. 11-13-92. Christmas with the Joker
003. 09-15-92. Nothing to Fear
004. 09-22-92. The Last Laugh
005. 09-14-92. Pretty Poison


VOLUME TWO:

006. 10-21-92. The Underdwellers
007. 09-18-92. P.O.V.
008. 10-08-92. The Forgotten
009. 09-16-92. Be A Clown
011. 09-10-92. It's Never Too Late


VOLUME THREE:

010. 09-25-92. Two-Face Part One
017. 09-28-92. Two-Face Part Two
012. 09-30-92. I've Got Batman in My Basement
013. 09-05-92. The Cat and the Claw Part One
016. 09-12-92. The Cat and the Claw Part Two


VOLUME FOUR:

014. 09-07-92. Heart of Ice
015. 02-24-93. See No Evil
018. 11-04-92. Beware the Gray Ghost
019. 10-06-92. Prophecy of Doom
022. 09-11-92. Joker's Favor


VOLUME FIVE:

020. 09-08-92. Feat of Clay Part One
021. 09-09-92. Feat of Clay Part Two
023. 10-05-92. Vendetta
024. 09-29-92. Fear of Victory
025. 09-21-92. The Clock King


VOLUME SIX:

026. 09-17-92. Appointment in Crime Alley
027. 10-12-92. Mad as a Hatter
028. 11-03-92. Dreams in Darkness
029. 09-23-92. Eternal Youth
030. 10-19-92. Perchance to Dream


VOLUME SEVEN:

031. 10-14-92. The Cape and Cowl Conspiracy
032. 02-07-93. Robin's Reckoning Part One
037. 02-14-93. Robin's Reckoning Part Two
033. 01-10-93. The Laughing Fish
034. 10-26-92. Night of the Ninja


VOLUME EIGHT:

035. 11-05-92. Cat Scratch Fever
036. 10-29-92. The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne
038. 11-16-92. Heart of Steel Part One
044. 11-17-92. Heart of Steel Part Two
039. 11-18-92. If You're So Smart, Why Aren't You Rich?


VOLUME NINE:

040. 11-19-92. Joker's Wild
041. 10-30-92. Tyger Tyger
042. 11-11-92. Moon of the Wolf
043. 02-23-93. Day of the Samurai
045. 11-12-92. Terror in the Sky


VOLUME TEN:

046. 11-10-92. Almost Got 'Im
047. 02-08-93. Birds of a Feather
048. 11-24-92. What Is Reality?
049. 11-09-92. I Am the Night
050. 11-23-92. Off-Balance


VOLUME ELEVEN:

051. 02-01-93. The Man Who Killed Batman
052. 09-15-93. Mudslide
053. 09-17-93. Paging the Crime Doctor
054. 02-02-93. Zatanna
055. 01-24-93. The Mechanic


VOLUME TWELVE:

056. 01-18-93. Harley and Ivy
057. 09-13-93. Shadow of the Bat Part One
061. 09-14-93. Shadow of the Bat Part Two
058. 02-22-93. Blind as a Bat
060. 11-20-92. His Silicon Soul


VOLUME THIRTEEN:

059. 05-03-93. The Demon's Quest Part One
063. 05-04-93. The Demon's Quest Part Two
062. 05-24-93. Fire from Olympus
064. 05-10-93. Read My Lips
065. 09-16-93. The Worry Men


VOLUME FOURTEEN:

066. 05-03-94. Sideshow
067. 09-14-95. A Bullet for Bullock
068. 05-16-94. The Trial
069. 05-09-94. Avatar
070. 05-02-94. House & Garden


VOLUME FIFTEEN:

071. 09-11-95. The Terrible Trio
072. 05-23-94. Harlequinade
073. 10-08-94. Time Out of Joint
074. 09-13-95. Catwalk
075. 09-10-94. Bane


VOLUME SIXTEEN:

076. 10-01-94. Baby-Doll
077. 09-16-95. The Lion and the Unicorn
078. 09-12-95. Showdown
079. 09-24-94. Riddler's Reform
080. 09-17-94. Second Chance .


VOLUME SEVENTEEN:

081. 10-15-94. Harley's Holiday
082. 11-19-94. Lock-Up
083. 11-05-94. Make 'Em Laugh
084. 11-26-94. Deep Freeze
085. 11-12-94. Batgirl Returns


VOLUME EIGHTEEN:

086. 09-13-97. Holiday Knights
087. 09-20-97. Sins of the Father
088. 10-11-97. Cold Comfort
089. 11-22-97. Double Talk
090. 11-15-97. You Scratch My Back


VOLUME NINETEEN:

091. 11-01-97. Never Fear
092. 02-21-98. Joker's Millions
093. 02-28-98. Growing Pains
094. 07-11-98. Love is a Croc
095. 06-13-98. Torch Song


VOLUME TWENTY:

096. 09-14-98. The Ultimate Thrill
097. 05-23-98. Over the Edge
098. 04-25-98. Mean Seasons
099. 09-19-98. Critters
100. 09-18-98. Cult of the Cat


VOLUME TWENTY-ONE:

101. 09-26-98. Animal Act
102. 10-03-98. Old Wounds
103. 05-09-98. The Demon Within
104. 10-10-98. Legends of the Dark Knight
105. 10-17-98. Girls' Night Out


VOLUME TWENTY-TWO:

106. 01-16-99. Mad Love
107. 10-24-98. Chemistry
108. 11-07-98. Beware the Creeper
109. 10-31-98. Judgment Day

[James Harvey]

That looks right if WB continues the series that long. 22 volumes is alot and would likely take a long, long time to get these all on DVD if WB does the whole series. I am still hoping WB uses this as a test, to see if box sets or volume sets would be good.

As for extras, as far as I know, will be some intros and maybe a featurette. When I find out more I will definatly keep you posted. As to why WB only slapped on five episode s- your guess is as good as mine. My guess is that they may wanna stretch this out if it proves a success.

I have all the episodes on VHS, but I am definatly getting these DVDs...

[Brian Cruz]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
I'm guessing what they will do is air them togethor. WB wouldn't be that idiotic. They will do what CN does, which is air episodes in production order, but air two parters togethor.

Does anybody else remember that when Batman first aired on Cartoon Network, they showed the episodes in exact production order, and didn't keep the two-parters together at all?

[Robin's Cape]

You're right, 22 volumes IS a lot.

But if the "corporate will" to release the complete series is there, they can do it. Paramount released 40 (!!!) volumes for the original "Star Trek" series. (And I bought, or have on pre-order, all of them.)

I agree massive box sets would be nicer, and ultimately probably cheaper, too... but there is something to be said about being able to buy the Volumes a few at a time as they come out. Doesn't SEEM to hurt the pocket book quite as much.

And, by the way, Paramount released 2 episodes per disc (a rip-off as far as I'm concerned), and they released two discs at a time every other month. So one disc per month on the average.

And at the very end, they hurried up the pace of release so as to complete the series' release by the end of 2001. So they were releasing two discs per month at the very end.

I'd probably be willing to pay WB about $15-20 per disc, but no more. (Pre-ordering with Amazon.com will mean they'd only cost maybe $10-15 each.) I hope they don't get greedy.

[Robin's Cape]

And speaking of Star Trek...

... just read this on "thedigitalbits.com" (which is the best news site for DVD information in general):

"Paramount has confirmed that the Star Trek: The Next Generation: Season One - Collector's Edition will arrive on DVD in March. The 7-disc set will include all 26 episodes of the show's first season, along with more than 2 hours worth of cast & crew interviews and rare behind-the-scenes footage (much of which has never been seen before)."

Cool, eh?

(Sorry this was a bit off topic.)

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by Robin's Cape


I own DVDs with 3 1/2 hour movies, 210 minutes of video. And "The Stand" mini-series (which I rented) has 360 minutes of video, PLUS a bunch of extras: an audio commentary, Production notes, Making-Of Featurette, Storyboard Comparison, Make-up Effects... ALL ON ONE SIDE OF ONE DISC !!!

Even assuming 22 minutes per episode, by my math, 360 minutes means they could easily put 15 or 16 episodes per DVD. Sounds to me like WB is getting greedy and wants to make as much money off of us as possible.

And that is a shame.

Those longer movies are dual layered DVDs, so perhaps WB isn't utilizing that format for these releases? Personally, I'd love to see 15-16 episodes on one DVD, but 5 episodes is pretty standard for cartoons on DVD. And it beats the two episodes for ten to fifteen dollars on VHS any day.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by Robin's Cape
You're right, 22 volumes IS a lot.

But if the "corporate will" to release the complete series is there, they can do it. Paramount released 40 (!!!) volumes for the original "Star Trek" series. (And I bought, or have on pre-order, all of them.)

I agree massive box sets would be nicer, and ultimately probably cheaper, too... but there is something to be said about being able to buy the Volumes a few at a time as they come out. Doesn't SEEM to hurt the pocket book quite as much.

I'd probably be willing to pay WB about $15-20 per disc, but no more. (Pre-ordering with Amazon.com will mean they'd only cost maybe $10-15 each.) I hope they don't get greedy.

I don't mind individual volumes, but I just hope they don't get wierd on us half way thru releasing these and suddenly drop all mention of them *COUGH*Batman Beyond DVDs*COUGH* If they put these volumes on a regular schedule, I am ok with it, but what would tick me off just as much if they drop this half way thru would be if they condense all these shows into like a 10 DVD box set after the 22 volumes are out. That would completely suck.

[Heehaw]

WB wouldn't be that idiotic

Ha, ha, ha, ha, don't bet on it. WB is one of the worst movie studios there is when it comes to screwups and [explentive deleted] projects and quality. The day the last BTAS DVD comes out will be the day I show any semblance of faith for these clowns. I mean they use the dreaded snapper case to house their DVD products.

BTW, a DVD, if it utilizes it's full potential meaning double sided and double layered, will hold approximately 8 hours of information. We can assume that WB will stick a label on these, so that takes it down to roughly 4 hours.

I really hate the production order. It has zero flow, unlike the original airdate order. BTW, someone mentioned that "Sins of the Father" came before "Holiday Nights". It's the other way around. Nights before Sins. I taped the original airings and that is the way it is.

Bruce Timm already said there will be no commentaries, so that is strike one.

My special features wishlist:

All 47 of the "Tomorrow(or Today or Later today) on Batman..." 20 second teaser TV spots. Since the word FOX is apart of those, I doubt we'll get them.

Some of the various TV spots that have played over the years. Doubt we'll get them.

The 2-minute prototype/pilot produced by Canadian animation company Lightwave Studios(?) in 1991. If they don't put it out, I'll be disappointed, but I already have it in perfect quality so no matter.

Footage that was cut from the shows. Animated TV is no different from movies or live action TV. Stuff gets cut for time, pacing, quality concerns, etc.

Commentaries...heheheh

Featurettes, well put together documentaries of The Phantom Menace quality

Remastered episodes with both 2 channel stereo and Dolby Digital 5.1 sound. Some of the shows are just plain dirty and it would be stupid not to clean them up.

The Simpsons season 1 set is the pinnacle. WB should at least attempt to equal it. Sadly, I don't see that happening.

[Robin's Cape]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Those longer movies are dual layered DVDs, so perhaps WB isn't utilizing that format for these releases?

Actually, most discs these days are dual layered. I'm not exactly sure how the technology works, but they record information on the entire disc, then go back and record a second layer on/under/next to the original "layer" of data. There is usually a barely perceptible moment (which lasts about half a second) in which the picture and sound on the movie freezes, which is the "layer switch" from one layer to the next. Unless you know it is there, most of the time you won't even see it.

The very first DVDs that came out could barely get two hours of video on one side, that's why so many of the early DVD releases of long movies are "flippers" (where you have to turn the disc over halfway through the movie to finish watching it). Examples I can think of off the top of my head are "Amadeus", "Goodfellas" and the first release of "J.F.K." Once they came up with the technology of the dual layer they've been able to get twice the movie (and extras) on one disc.

The discs that allow them to get up to six HOURS of video on one side is a completely different method of recording data, called DVD-18. And I have even LESS idea how they work! :D



Originally posted by calhoun07
Personally, I'd love to see 15-16 episodes on one DVD, but 5 episodes is pretty standard for cartoons on DVD. And it beats the two episodes for ten to fifteen dollars on VHS any day.

That is very, very true. Bang for buck, even five episodes on a DVD will be better than two on VHS. Cheaper AND better picture and sound. I'll most likely buy whatever they put out as long as I don't feel like they are milking it or trying to take advantage of the fans. I just can't wait to see my FAVORITE television show of all time in my favorite video format !!!

[Robin's Cape]

Originally posted by Heehaw
I really hate the production order. It has zero flow, unlike the original airdate order. BTW, someone mentioned that "Sins of the Father" came before "Holiday Nights". It's the other way around. Nights before Sins. I taped the original airings and that is the way it is.

I've obviously been spending time looking at the production order, myself, compared to the original airdate order. (Take a look at my previous posts! LOL.) And I couldn't agree with you more. I think the production order is pretty pathetic. Too bad they are going to release the episodes in that order.

Oh, and by the way, I think I may have been the one who said (in my list of "airdate order") that "Sins of the Father" came before "Holiday Nights". I know that is not true. "Holiday Nights" WAS the first episode of the new series that was aired. The only reason I put "Sins of the Father" first was that it is CLEARLY, CHRONOLOGICALLY the first episode. After all, you see the second Robin's origin in the episode, as well as the first time he puts on the costume, and he is already Robin in "Holiday Nights".

If nothing else, I've proven with my posts that I am anal !!! :rolleyes:

[Calhoun07]

Here are the different DVD formats in a nutshell:

DVD-5 4.7 Single side/single layer
DVD-9 8.5 Single side/dual layer
DVD-10 9.4 Double side/single layer
DVD-14 13.2 Double side/one single layer side, one dual-layer side
DVD-18 17 Double side/dual layer

The numbers indicate how many gigabytes these different DVD formats can contain.

[Robin's Cape]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Here are the different DVD formats in a nutshell:

DVD-5 4.7 Single side/single layer
DVD-9 8.5 Single side/dual layer
DVD-10 9.4 Double side/single layer
DVD-14 13.2 Double side/one single layer side, one dual-layer side
DVD-18 17 Double side/dual layer

The numbers indicate how many gigabytes these different DVD formats can contain.

Thanks! I've always wondered about that. Apparently that "The Stand" DVD I rented over a year ago was a two sided disc. I remember specifically reading that it was a DVD-18, and I knew that it contained the entire 8-hour mini-series (6 hours with commercials edited out) but didn't remember flipping it over to watch the second half... though I must have. My oops.

[electricsheep]

I'm excited about the release and I'd like to note that 5 eps per dvd is great, especially if you're an anime fan like myself who has been surviving on 3 eps(with some exceptions) per dvd for $25-30...

[James Harvey]

That's a nice perspective on things, electricsheep. 5 episodes is a good amount for a DVD, I was just hoping this DVD would be apart of a larger set! (which is hopefully will be)

[Bird Boy]

22 DVD's...yowsa...and at roughly $20 (maybe only $15) per DVD..that's...

$440 or
$330...

Man I hope it's the latter...lol

-BB

[James Harvey]

Well, it's not as bad as the 28 volume Columbia House set which had 4 episodes per VHS and each video csot about 20 - 25 bucks. That is ALOT of money! Around $500 - $600 for Batman episodes on a format that will soon be no more.

[Calhoun07]

When you consider breaking it up, it really isn't so bad in the end. I paid about $25.00 each for my Cowboy Bebop DVDs, so the six volume set cost me about $125, not counting the shipping and handling on each one. But then I can turn around and get great deals on X Files (I usually can pick up the season sets for $90.00 there) and I got a great deal on the Sopraons season two, for around $45.00. So while we may have to invest a little more money for things like anime and Batman on DVD, I feel it's balanced out with some great deals we can find on other season sets.

Personally, I'd rather spend $15.00 per DVD every so often than have to suddenly cough up a couple hundred dollars for a mega box set. But then again, that mega box set would be so sweet to own all at once...

[mgibson72]

Or you could take the Robotech approach and release 10 episodes at a whack (plus an extras disc) in smaller box sets for $35 a piece. We would get quantity and WB would be able to stretch it out a bit more...

[GrayGhost]

Originally posted by MattL.
I dont see why the wouldn't put Superman TAS on DVD as well.

Esepcially with the popularity of Smallville and Justice League it'd be idiotic of them not to.

They would be idiotic to release the Superman show :D

Sorry it bored me :o

I will be purchasing all BTAS DVDs though! :)

[baggins]

Originally posted by Robin's Cape
Well, I guess I will have to get used to the "new" order of the episodes. I've always believed that these shows should be released in the order that they were originally aired, because that is how people first saw them.

But, as with the original 60's "Star Trek" series, sometimes the production order makes a whole heck of a lot more sense than the airdate order. Maybe that will be the case with "Batman: The Animated Series" as well.

All I care about, I guess, in the long run... is that they release ALL of them !!! Production order, with a few minor exceptions like putting the "part two's" immediately after the "part one's", will work for me.

I sure hope WB doesn't get sidetracked and stop releasing them partway through the run. I would hate it if they stopped making the DVDs before they release all of them... Guess I am going to have to start recording them -- again -- off of the Cartoon Network to make absolutely certain that I get the entire series in order.

I've been recording the series, off and on, since they first started airing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the early nineties, and there are still episodes I don't have on tape. Heck, there are still a couple, three that I have never even SEEN !!!

Looking forward to getting a complete collection, one way or the other.

Dick Grayson... any news yet on the extras or updates on WHY there are only five episodes per disc???

I own DVDs with 3 1/2 hour movies, 210 minutes of video. And "The Stand" mini-series (which I rented) has 360 minutes of video, PLUS a bunch of extras: an audio commentary, Production notes, Making-Of Featurette, Storyboard Comparison, Make-up Effects... ALL ON ONE SIDE OF ONE DISC !!!

Even assuming 22 minutes per episode, by my math, 360 minutes means they could easily put 15 or 16 episodes per DVD. Sounds to me like WB is getting greedy and wants to make as much money off of us as possible.

And that is a shame.

I quite agree.They could have had the whole 109 episodes split into either two or three , or even four box sets at about $60-70
for about 26-27 episodes .The X-files retails at $149.00 for a complete series ,24 ,50min episodes and thats the retail price.You can get them a lot cheaper.

[baggins]

Originally posted by Brian Cruz


Does anybody else remember that when Batman first aired on Cartoon Network, they showed the episodes in exact production order, and didn't keep the two-parters together at all?

The thing is they will eventually have the whole series on box sets
you can bet on that. As soon as they have milked the volume DVDs for all they can.It might not be for a few years but it will happen.

[baggins]

Why ,oh why can they not do both.Have the box sets for those who want them all in one go, and the volume sets for those who prefare that method.If some of you think 109 episodes all at once is too much, split it in to two box sets.
WB will eventually go the way the other studios do with the box sets .It might not be this year or the next , but it will happen.
And when someone invents another format we'll all be on the merry go round again .Money talks.

[mgibson72]

I quite agree. Fox is raking in the dough with their X-Files and Simpsons sets. Why can't WB see that they are sitting on a gold mine?!?

[baggins]

Originally posted by mgibson72
I quite agree. Fox is raking in the dough with their X-Files and Simpsons sets. Why can't WB see that they are sitting on a gold mine?!?

They know that they have Sci-Fi and fantasy fans by the [word deleted].
No matter what they do they know we'll buy the DVDs, god wev'e been waiting for them long enough .You buy them on video, then you buy them all again wide screen, then DVD volume sets eventually you get what you orginally wanted.Notice the don't mess the consumer about if Sci-Fi is not involved.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by mgibson72
I quite agree. Fox is raking in the dough with their X-Files and Simpsons sets. Why can't WB see that they are sitting on a gold mine?!?

They do. I think they are trying to make more money off of it by giving us one DVD at a time. Oh, they know what a gold mine they are sitting on, trust me.

[James Harvey]

I agree with Cal. WB knows that they have a goldmine with Batman. They just aren't sure how to exploit it. I've been surfing some DVD and Batman sites and response has been generally optomistic for this DVD confirmation.

[Robin's Cape]

Originally posted by billy pye
They know that they have Sci-Fi and fantasy fans by the balls.
No matter what they do they know we'll buy the DVDs, god wev'e been waiting for them long enough .You buy them on video, then you buy them all again wide screen, then DVD volume sets eventually you get what you orginally wanted.

And of course as every succeeding new technology comes out, we'll buy them AGAIN.

You watch.

There will be a new super hi-fi 10.2 Surround Sound sound system in a few years.

Then there will be a Super-DVD technology with twice the picture resolution of DVD.

Then we will get mini-discs that record, like, 25 hours of video on a disc the size of a CD-Single.

I predict that before I die, I will be purchasing my favorite movies on some sort of holographic, three-dimensional, virtual-reality, sight/smell/feel/sound video system that connects directly to the brain.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhh. :D

[Calhoun07]

I believe a blue laser DVD player will be the next in evolution of DVD technology, from what I've heard. I guess blue laser DVDs would have greater capacity to store information. The thing about any evolving technology, I am sure it would be retrograde too, in that you could play old DVDs on any new players that come out. Heck, CD players are evolving. I got a new one that can play MP3s and it can also play other forms of audio CD, so I am not looking at having to replace all my CDs. Just like DVD Audio, you can play regular CDs on players that support DVD Audio, so I don't think any new advances in DVD technology will eliminate the DVDs we buy now.

[James Harvey]

The more I think of it, the more I think this could be a test. The sales of this disc could give us more Volumes. Maybe WB will do what Sony is doing and selling two volumes at once. Granted, it still is about 20 volumes, but releasing them two at a time will really cut back on time and get them to us faster.

[GrayGhost]

WB is releasing "Best of Friends" two at a time. Perhaps they will do that with Bats. They put them out individually or two boxed together. Now that volumes 1 - 4 are out, you can also buy a boxed set of all four.

[Joker85]

Well, I am a little dissappointed that the DVDs aren't in box sets, but just as long as we get them. I think the first volume will be great!! I love On Leather Wings, Last Laugh, Pretty Poison, and Christmas With The Joker! Nothing to Fear ain't bad either. Does anyone no about how much each DVD will cost?

[Calhoun07]

I am sure it will be in the range of other cartoon DVDs, about fifteen dollars to twenty dollars.

[baggins]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
The more I think of it, the more I think this could be a test. The sales of this disc could give us more Volumes. Maybe WB will do what Sony is doing and selling two volumes at once. Granted, it still is about 20 volumes, but releasing them two at a time will really cut back on time and get them to us faster.

If they had them in the box set as first proposed we wouldn't be going through all this [exlentive deleted].This could of been the flagship for other
box set series, but WB don't have the foresight to see this.
If they saw there is a market for animated box set series, and there is a market out there the financial aspects would be mind blowing.WB alone have a fantastic back
catalogue of animated series whom the fans would love to own.
Not to mention Fox and Disney (Gargoyles)Universal etc.
The List goes on.My thought was with BTAS being the first animated series to win an Emmey. The prestige for being the fist
to have the whole series on DVD, right there for the fans.All I can say an opportunity has gone here.There must be some small minded executives involved .If it was WB Animaniacs you can bet Steven Spielberg would have done it different and better , and not insulted the fans.

[Calhoun07]

If you were a WB exec, which would you rather do?

A single DVD released at regular intervals of 5 episodes each @ $19.99 srp x 22 volumes (that's $439.78 for all the DVDs at regular price) x a million people buying it=$439,780,000.00

OR

Would you rather sell them in a massive box sets to fans you KNOW will buy them when you have to keep in mind that when you sell box sets you have to reduce the price of each DVD to attract sales to those box sets. We will say each DVD in the box set will be $13.99 (comparable to the price of the Monty Python box set of all 14 volumes) so, getting out our calculators, 13.99x22xa million people buying it=$307,780,000.00.

So WB is looking at making over a hundred million more off these DVDs by putting them out individually rather than putting out in box sets. Yeah, I am sure the petions to get it out in a box set really move them. To laughter!

[mgibson72]

On the contrary, billy, these WBers are VERY savvy...calhoun just figured it all out right there. Another $132 million in the bank is pretty tough to give up.

It looks like WB is actually giving Bat-fans a lot more credit than we thought previously. They're banking on the fact that we'll pay that much more to get the entire product.

VERY shrewd!

[Sugar Daddy]

this may be off topic, but can someone please tell me what DTV means? I see it in a lot of the posts, but I have no idea what it means.

[joshualane]

Originally posted by lasportsbiggie
this may be off topic, but can someone please tell me what DTV means? I see it in a lot of the posts, but I have no idea what it means.
DTV = Direct To Video

[James Harvey]

Yeah - WB knows what they're doing and I am sure we'll see more than one animated DVD. Maybe WB will treat this series like 'Friends' and release new DVDs at regular intervals. I'm just eager to see how they digital transfer will work on these episode.

[baggins]

Originally posted by calhoun07
If you were a WB exec, which would you rather do?

A single DVD released at regular intervals of 5 episodes each @ $19.99 srp x 22 volumes (that's $439.78 for all the DVDs at regular price) x a million people buying it=$439,780,000.00

But thats the point.People realise that they have bought these episodes before , and just don't bother.It is only the die hard fan that buys them over and over again.If you see that you are getting value for money , other consumers besides Batman fans
might buy.The VHS tapes were not big sellers first time around.
No one in thier right mind is going to pay $400-$500 for all 22 DVDs.Only the ardent fan.If you make the pakage more attractive.
Who's to say that the box set wouldn't be big sellers either.But if you have all the episodes at one go , are you or I, really be bothered if WB make a profit or not.

OR

Would you rather sell them in a massive box sets to fans you KNOW will buy them when you have to keep in mind that when you sell box sets you have to reduce the price of each DVD to attract sales to those box sets. We will say each DVD in the box set will be $13.99 (comparable to the price of the Monty Python box set of all 14 volumes) so, getting out our calculators, 13.99x22xa million people buying it=$307,780,000.00.

So WB is looking at making over a hundred million more off these DVDs by putting them out individually rather than putting out in box sets. Yeah, I am sure the petions to get it out in a box set really move them. To laughter!

[baggins]

Originally posted by mgibson72
On the contrary, billy, these WBers are VERY savvy...calhoun just figured it all out right there. Another $132 million in the bank is pretty tough to give up.

It looks like WB is actually giving Bat-fans a lot more credit than we thought previously. They're banking on the fact that we'll pay that much more to get the entire product.

VERY shrewd!

YES, true ,true.IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MONEY.I''M GOING TO WAIT AND SEE ,how many DVDs they put out and see if it's worth it.Otherwise I'll wait untill they finally put out the box sets in the future.

[Calhoun07]

I doubt they would put out a box set in the future. I just don't see that happening, but that is my opinion. WB never really has gotten into lavish box sets for TV shows and I doubt Batman would be their first.

[baggins]

Originally posted by calhoun07
I doubt they would put out a box set in the future. I just don't see that happening, but that is my opinion. WB never really has gotten into lavish box sets for TV shows and I doubt Batman would be their first.

What I mean is when they have played out the single DVDs, they will turn to box sets eventually.They already have Box sets of
Friends, (7 series )Buffy the Vampire Slayer (3 series) in the U.K
It would be great
if they released BTAS as a box set in the U.K.
You never Know it could be a testing ground eh DG?.

[baggins]

Oh, I forgot, they are also WB has just released the second series of Angel and the third of the Sepranos in the U.K/

[Sugar Daddy]

thanks, that explains a lot

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by billy pye
Oh, I forgot, they are also WB has just released the second series of Angel and the third of the Sepranos in the U.K/

Well, WB releases nice box sets here for HBO and BBC but that's about it. For their own stuff....it's just single DVDs in snappers or maybe best of sets like Friends and South Park. But we also got Sopranos season two here. For other TV shows in the UK on DVD, all I can say is I am glad I have a region two player on my computer! For some reason, WB treats their DVDs and TV shows better for over seas releases than they do here.

Ok, back on topic....

[Govan]

Wow, I go away for a few days and look what happens!... Maybe I should do this more often... :)

Anyway, this is such GREAT news! I can't believe this is happening! For the people who're complaining about the order, all I can say is that I'll be happy with just being able to watch these babies anytime. When they're all eventually out (here's hoping), we can watch them in whatever way we want. If you have a multi-dsic player it won't be that hard. I'll take having to change a few DVD's now and then over endless searching back and forth on piles of VHS cassettes anyday...

Remember over the summer when we were all so anxious as to whether or not we'd get them on DVD? Well now we are, so let's be grateful for what we have! :D

BTW, I agree that this is most likely a test for WB, and they'll make changes to the future releases according to sales figures.

Now I don't have to bother buying the all the VHS's (hopefully...)! :)

[Govan]

DG, you said you knew some of the extras that are getting put in. Can you tell us or not? :)

EDIT: I have to say, I'm personally sad to see that they're won't be commentaries, but I feel it's understandable. But seeing what the creators think of my favorite episodes/scenes, and how they went about doing them would have been fantastic... :(

Perhaps in future DVD's.

[James Harvey]

The DVDs will contain some episode intros, maybe a featuette and maybe a trailer or two. I don't know all the extras, but I'm currently trying to find out.

[baggins]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
The DVDs will contain some episode intros, maybe a featuette and maybe a trailer or two. I don't know all the extras, but I'm currently trying to find out.

Sounds great. Did they say how many volumes they would be putting out at the same time.Keep up the good work.

[James Harvey]

Well, as far as I know, only one volume will be released in April initially. If these things pick up, then I predict we may see more in the future - I hope!

[Govan]

Well, Bruce Timm did say "DVD's" right? So I would think there'll be more coming after the first 1 in Apri.

[Calhoun07]

I am sure WB won't stop after one Batman DVD, I think the main question is will they simply put out one DVD at regular intervals with 5 episodes or will they start collecting more in nice box sets along the way?

[baggins]

It's gone from a box set down to just one DVD.Let's just hope
that it's big seller, otherwise it might be stopped before it's even started.I can not understand WB buisness strategy.If they want to see if they can make a killing, surely they should have put the DVD out at Christmas time.But surely if they want to see if the fans are prepared to buy the whole 109 episodes, they would have put out more than one volume.With just the one volume
you can not really judge if the rest of the series ,if they are putting them all out, would sell.A lot of consumers may just buy the DVD because it's Batman ,for one reason or another.But to see if it will take off ,surely putting more than one disc for purchase would have been a better idea. FOUR would have been ideal, because it gives the fans a chance to own 20 episodes and it would give WB more insight as to where to release any more DVDs. If the sales of the four DVDs were good , well it speaks for it's self.Just the one DVD will not reflect the true retail value to WB.

[James Harvey]

I got the impression that this will be the start of a collection of Batman DVDs. I can gaurentee you that it will say "Vol. 1" somewheres on the DVD cover. The question is how frequent will these come sout? Well - it all depends on how the first DVD sells.

[Calhoun07]

Just curious...the first Batman Beyond DVD was also listed as Vol. 1 officially by the WB, but inspite of numberous VHS releases of the episodes, we never saw another DVD release of any episodes. I can assume that the Batman Beyond DVD was a test thing that failed. How well/poorly did it do in sales? And how much better does the Batman one have to do before they put out more volumes?

[nothing]

I would suggest writing WBHV and requesting commentary tracks for these DVDs. If enough people make their voice heard the man usually listens. If we can get the original Japanese track on Mononoke... hopefully we can get some commentary tracks or other cool goodies for these discs. Let AOL/TW know what you want to buy. Don't let them feed you crap!!!

[Calhoun07]

Actually, I think commentary on the episodes would be over kill. On the Simpsons, they wind up repeating alot of the same things over and over again. I feel if we get meaningful introductions to each episode and if they cover other aspects as part of bonus materials, then that's sufficient.

[Golden Age Flash]

maybe they're only doing 5 at a time so they can clean'em up as they go? I'm cool with a larger number of DVDS as long as the quality is there...

I also hope they do something with the original story cards (at the beginning of each episode) in the menu structure.

[baggins]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Just curious...the first Batman Beyond DVD was also listed as Vol. 1 officially by the WB, but inspite of numberous VHS releases of the episodes, we never saw another DVD release of any episodes. I can assume that the Batman Beyond DVD was a test thing that failed. How well/poorly did it do in sales? And how much better does the Batman one have to do before they put out more volumes?

IT dosn't bode well does it.I just can not see the point of just releasing one DVD to test the market.As you said with the Batman Beyond Vol . 1 , they just went back to the VHS releases
and didn't bother any more with the DVDs ,with the exception of The Return of the Joker.Maybe WB don't think that the episodes format will sell all that well.They seem to have no trouble releasing feature lenghth animated versions of Batman in any of his guises.

[James Harvey]

I think they are releasing five episodes at a time, which I think is ok. Nothing wrong with that. Batman Beyond' DVD - from what I hear - was a spectacular flop so they quickly stopped any future Batman Beyond DVDs. If there is renewed interest in the series in digital format, maybe we'll see it. All we can do is speculate at this point.

[baggins]

Does any one know how many VHS versions were released of BTAS.Also could you list each tape.I just want to check out something.

[baggins]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
I think they are releasing five episodes at a time, which I think is ok. Nothing wrong with that. Batman Beyond' DVD - from what I hear - was a spectacular flop so they quickly stopped any future Batman Beyond DVDs. If there is renewed interest in the series in digital format, maybe we'll see it. All we can do is speculate at this point.

Like everyone else , I don't mind the 5 episode being released at a time.As long as they release all ther episodes , great.
Although as you have probably gathered by now I would have prefared the complete box set versions, but as long as I get all the episodes I don't mind.Iv'e been waiting years now so a little bit longer wont matter.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by billy pye


Like everyone else , I don't mind the 5 episode being released at a time.As long as they release all ther episodes , great.
Although as you have probably gathered by now I would have prefared the complete box set versions, but as long as I get all the episodes I don't mind.Iv'e been waiting years now so a little bit longer wont matter.

Well - that is a nice perspective on things. I've been ghosting some other Batman and DVD boards and are some are screaming for blood! When you think about it, 5 episodes is a good amount for a DVD. I have no problems with it at all. I just hope this first 'test' DVD does good.

I just hope we get some good cover art, too...

[baggins]

To me BTAS was the way Bob Kane ment Batman to be veiwed.
I have seen and own all the other versions of Batman that has been produced since his concept in 1939.But for me BTAS is by far the best and only way he was ment to come to life.

[Heehaw]

I don't think commentaries would be overkill. If there is a lot of redundancy on one, then it is because the person doing the talking just doesn't have anything interesting to say or just doesn't know what they're doing(in terms of how to do a commentary and keep it interesting). Matt Groening isn't exactly the most intelligent person on the planet, though his commentaries are better than the average Tim Burton one. Now there's a real winner.

[baggins]

I think if they just did a one -off DVD with all the behind the scenes stuff ( concept, storyboards,interviews,technique's,character analysis,casting,interview with the actors scripts and story ideas
,etc) would be fine.The rest of the DVD collection could be just for the episodes then, after all when you come down to it , that's when repeated viewing will come into it's own.

[James Harvey]

I think we may end up getting a featurette and alot of trailers/tv spots. The last Scooby-Doo DVD (or the one before it - can't really remember) had 42 tv spots on it - so we may get something like that. They also have short featurettes and a music video on them. Personally - I'd REALLY like to see those old tv spots. There is one I can still slightly remember with Batman jumping on a moving van, from CAT & THE CLAW Part 1. Plus - the now classic 'newspaper' previews for the next episode. I only have one of those on tape, and that was by accident.

[The Mad Hatter]

The only thing I remember from the Fox spots is that, in multiple commercials, they prominently featured that shot of Robin punching the ninja in the crotch from "Showdown."

And honestly, there's only one way to encourage WB to publish every single B:TAS episode on DVD... buy the first volume!

[Robin's Cape]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson


Well - that is a nice perspective on things. I've been ghosting some other Batman and DVD boards and are some are screaming for blood! When you think about it, 5 episodes is a good amount for a DVD. I have no problems with it at all.

Well, maybe you don't, but I sure do. I DON'T have a nice perspective on things. Coming from someone who purchased the entire original "Star Trek" series on DVD with only two episodes per disc and no extras... I love the series, so had to do it... I am really, really tired of cheap studios milking their BIGGEST FANS for all the money they can get their grubby little hands on.

The "X-Files" complete season sets got FOUR episodes per disc in their boxed sets. To me, that means they could have gotten AT LEAST eight episodes of B:TAS per disc, maybe even ten.

But of course, there is an obvious reason why they are doing things the way they are: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Say $19.95 per disc... at 5 episodes per disc = 22 volumes = $438.90... 8 episodes per disc = 14 volumes = $279.30... 10 episodes per disc = 11 volumes = 219.45.

What would YOU rather have???

[Calhoun07]

Then don't buy them. I refuse to buy the original Star Trek series or the Twilight Zone DVDs for that reason right there, it's just too costly. Of course, I did get my DVD player after several volumes had been out (so it would have been really expensive for me to play catch up), but still....it chaffs my briefs too. I will just have to wait for the day Paramount repackages those DVDs, and I am sure they will. They repackaged their VHS tapes many times before DVD came out.

[Robin's Cape]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Then don't buy them.

That makes too much sense! :D I will probably pony up the money to get them, regardless of how much they decide to rip us off.

I guess I'm weak.

But the opportunity to get my all time favorite television series on my favorite video format is too much of a temptation to pass. But I can still complain all the way to the poor house, can't I ??? :rolleyes:

[James Harvey]

I agree with Cal's sentiments. If ya don't like the format - then don't purchase. There's a chance they will be reissued down the line on a new format, or something along those lines. I don't mind ponying over the dough for it. Then again, this is about personnel preference. If ya wanna shell over the doguh - cool. If ya don't - the more power to ya.

[baggins]

Originally posted by Robin's Cape


Well, maybe you don't, but I sure do. I DON'T have a nice perspective on things. Coming from someone who purchased the entire original "Star Trek" series on DVD with only two episodes per disc and no extras... I love the series, so had to do it... I am really, really tired of cheap studios milking their BIGGEST FANS for all the money they can get their grubby little hands on.

The "X-Files" complete season sets got FOUR episodes per disc in their boxed sets. To me, that means they could have gotten AT LEAST eight episodes of B:TAS per disc, maybe even ten.

But of course, there is an obvious reason why they are doing things the way they are: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Say $19.95 per disc... at 5 episodes per disc = 22 volumes = $438.90... 8 episodes per disc = 14 volumes = $279.30... 10 episodes per disc = 11 volumes = 219.45.

What would YOU rather have???

I've said that all along . WB have already had thier moneys worth
out of the series, so you would think they would do something for the fans this time around?. No they are going to get every last cent from the purchaser.Eventually it will happen one day , some executive will decide that coffers need filling up, and they have exhausted all thier other avenues.But like DG said if we don't buy the single discs this time , they might not bother to release any
again.

[Robin's Cape]

Originally posted by billy pye
But like DG said if we don't buy the single discs this time , they might not bother to release any again.

You just hit the nail on the head for me... why this whole thing has been bugging me: It's like Warner Bros. is blackmailing us!!! "Buy our cheapo, crappy, bare-bones minimum discs or else".

Or else you won't get anything better.

Or else we won't finish putting out the entire series.

Or else we'll decide there "isn't a market" for Batman Animated Series DVDs.

They have us caught between a rock and a hard place. We don't want to buy their lousy product, but if we don't we can say "sayonara" to EVER getting them on DVD. So we, like cattle, run out and buy these slapped-together cheap-o discs as a "vote" for them to release more of them. :mad:

If they'd just get it right in the FIRST place, they'd have a lot of happy customers... instead of alienating their core audience.

[baggins]

As I've said in previous posts, if they had brought out the complete series in box format , either in one set or broken down to two or even four. They would have had a standard , that they could of used over and over again.Where it to be to coinside with an anniversary issue, or to coinside with a movie release.
The point is the work would have been done ,and they would have had no further outlay on the process part of production.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by Robin's Cape


You just hit the nail on the head for me... why this whole thing has been bugging me: It's like Warner Bros. is blackmailing us!!! "Buy our cheapo, crappy, bare-bones minimum discs or else".

Or else you won't get anything better.

Or else we won't finish putting out the entire series.

Or else we'll decide there "isn't a market" for Batman Animated Series DVDs.

They have us caught between a rock and a hard place. We don't want to buy their lousy product, but if we don't we can say "sayonara" to EVER getting them on DVD. So we, like cattle, run out and buy these slapped-together cheap-o discs as a "vote" for them to release more of them. :mad:

If they'd just get it right in the FIRST place, they'd have a lot of happy customers... instead of alienating their core audience.

Kinda like what they are doing with Friends, with South Park, with Babylon 5.....

It strikes me that WB really doesn't know how to treat their TV products on DVD. As we have examined in previous posts, this is clearly a money issue, not keeping the best interest of the fans at heart.

To make matters worse, they have released complete season sets of Friends and South Park over in the UK, and I somehow wouldn't be all that surprised if they wound up doing the same with Babylon 5 and Batman, given their track record. I guess they don't have to "test" the market in the UK; they know people will buy season sets over there. Then again, season sets have always been popular in the UK and even in Europe even back in the days of VHS. Even tho season sets are proving to be a popular way of releasing shows here, WB seems to be lagging behind the times....some where in the late 80's.

[The Game]

Okay, I understand why you guys are upset... But you're all way too picky. I mean c'mon. A month ago it was "I just want all the episodes" but now you're complaining about the order they're being released, the format, etc. If the first disc sells well, they're release more and more, possibly all. If it doens't, fine. But please.... Stop whining....

[Robin's Cape]

Originally posted by calhoun07
I guess they don't have to "test" the market in the UK; they know people will buy season sets over there. Then again, season sets have always been popular in the UK and even in Europe even back in the days of VHS.

I can't speak for the European market, so I don't know about the history of how well season sets have sold there.

I do, however, know that... on VHS or DVD... that hardly any companies have EVER released season sets here. How do they KNOW that they won't sell here if they won't even try it???

[James Harvey]

I wonder now...how are WB gonna celebrate the show's 10th year this coming September. Well, I'm sure they won't even acknowledge it - but it would be awesome to see them do something special. Then again - we are getting a host of Batman DVDs next year, and hopefully some DTVs, so 2002 doesn't look all that bad.

[baggins]

Your'e missing the point.In this day of the DVD it's all about owning and having as much infomation on a subject as possible.
That's what being a fan now is all about!.To produce a DVD is a lot cheaper than a VHS video tape , and as we all know it is capable of holding quite a bit of data.Even the lastest video releases of movies (Gladiator)etc , are now also putting documentaries etc onto the tape.So if they are trying to keep up with the latest trends , surely a DVD release should give the fans what they want.When DVDs first came out that was there way of enticing the consumer away from video by putting all the extras onto the disc.Now that they have achived this do you think it really fair to put out a product that is not really worthy of the subject.

[baggins]

Originally posted by Robin's Cape


I can't speak for the European market, so I don't know about the history of how well season sets have sold there.

I do, however, know that... on VHS or DVD... that hardly any companies have EVER released season sets here. How do they KNOW that they won't sell here if they won't even try it???

Yes box sets sell very well in the U.K.Even VHS box sets have done big buisness.All the X-files series for intance and all the Star Trek series in all it's Guises.If WB are willing to release DVD box sets in the the U.K and make a profit , just imagine the possibilIties over in the U.S.

[James Harvey]

The UK market us vastly different from the US television market. Alot of it has to do with show rights, network policies, and money. The reason why WB aren't putting out DVDs from most of their property either has to do with syndication/cable rights and/or becuase producers of said shows don't want season sets produced (incase of COMEDY CENTRAL's "South Park" new random episode DVD). CARTOON NETWORK isn't gonna want a season set of BATMAN: TAS released just months after it begins airing all the episodes. It'll take away ratings. Therefore, releasing a DVD with 5 episodes won't do any damage to ratings. And releasing more DVDs gradually won't hurt ratings either. In the end - it's all about the all mighty dollar - something we fans can't compete with no matter how many of us there are.

And as for the "product not fitting the subject", well studios are still releasing popular movies on bare bones DVDs and people still snatch them up. It's not something new and won't go away. We are always gonna get bare bone DVDs. It's the nature of the beast.

I agree with thegame8866 - the episodes are coming to DVD, which is something we should be happy about. We should be celebrating this, not trying to find a way to pick it apart and destroy it. We have to support this disc if we're to get more. I am looking forward to this disc with open arms. If it is bare bones then fine - I'll still buy it. I want these episodes on DVD and I'm not going to nitpick about every little mistake that's made. The glass is half full, not half empty.


But everyone has a right to their own opinion and if they don't like it - more power to them. For those who do like it - mor epower to them, too.

[The Mad Hatter]

DG is right... would the B:TAS DVDs be better with more episodes per DVD, commentaries, and other extras? All released at once in one huge box set? Of course. But honestly, these DVDs are it. They're the only way we're going to get the entire run on DVD. There's not really anything we can do about it. Well, we could not buy it... and then we wouldn't even get the entire run, which is something the fans have been begging to get for years.

Realistically, this is our only option. This is a small bone thrown to us by the studios, and I for one am going to take what I can get.

[Calhoun07]

I agree that each of us need to buy this CD and send a message to WB in the only way they will understand our language...MONEY. We can sign all the petions we want until the cows come home, but all they care about is if we put our money where our mouths are.

I just hope we get more than this one DVD. Considering the first Batman Beyond DVD and Scooby Doo Original Mysteries, they seem to like to put out the first five episodes of these shows then give us nothing more again.

[Sugar Daddy]

I know this is kind of off topic, but I have heard that the uncut Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker is coming out on DVD. Is this true? And if it is, should I wait to buy that 1? thanks

[Calhoun07]

Yes, ROTJ uncut has been confirmed and should be out next year as part of the bumper crop of Batman and Superman DVDs that are coming out.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Yes, ROTJ uncut has been confirmed and should be out next year as part of the bumper crop of Batman and Superman DVDs that are coming out.


Thanks, I can't wait. And I hope that its early next year, as I really wanna see them

[James Harvey]

Should come in April or May and will include the original commentary recorded for the movie before the whole edit/mess began.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
Should come in April or May and will include the original commentary recorded for the movie before the whole edit/mess began.

Good to hear. And DG, a couple things. I just got this book called Batman Animated. It says there were 110 episodes of all the Batman animated series. Do you know why 109 is what is the number being thrown around? Also, is CN only doing a 1 week run of batman and superman, ending with the saturday marathan, or are they going to air all of the series' episodes? thanks

[James Harvey]

The guide in Batman Animated made some major mistakes. It counted the three part Superman episode World's Finest, and it counted that three parter as ONE episode. 2 mistakes. And Batman is returning for the foreseeable futre in January. Go to the EPISODE SCHEDULE in this site (http://wf.toonzone.net/worldsfinestpage/epsched.htm) and click on Batman's schedule. As you can see - he's here for good.

[baggins]

I'm not having a go at anyone .the point I'm trying to get across
is, it's like your mum saying to you ,'you can't have any more of that untill you've finished all of that'.Know what I mean.If WB are going to release all the episodes this way fine.But if they go the same way as the VHS versions went , well it could be a complete waste of time.I think WB could have at least said we are going to release the 22 DVDs at intervals.

[Robin's Cape]

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
DG is right... would the B:TAS DVDs be better with more episodes per DVD, commentaries, and other extras? All released at once in one huge box set? Of course. But honestly, these DVDs are it. They're the only way we're going to get the entire run on DVD. There's not really anything we can do about it. Well, we could not buy it... and then we wouldn't even get the entire run, which is something the fans have been begging to get for years.

Realistically, this is our only option. This is a small bone thrown to us by the studios, and I for one am going to take what I can get.

Believe it or not, I agree with you. I'm griping about the way that Warner Bros. has chosen to release the Batman: Animated Series disc(s)... but I will be there waiting in line to buy them the SECOND they come out.

I bought the entire run of the original "Star Trek" series on DVD, (despite their being bare-bones discs released just two episodes per disc,) and I will do the same with B:TAS.

We are voting with our $$$$$$$$$, and I have spoken loud and clear thus far with my Batman Animated DVD purchases. Despite the fact that I'm not a HUGE "Batman Beyond" fan, I bought that disc. And even though I wanted the un-edited version of "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker", I purchased the first one they released. I've also bought "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm" on DVD, but that was a no-brainer !!!! :D

The point I'm making is, despite my griping, I WILL buy what they release, and happily. I want to get whatever they choose to release on DVD. I just hope they eventually release the ENTIRE SERIES... in whatever form (individual volumes, box sets, thematic discs, etc.) that they choose.

[Sugar Daddy]

I wanted to get other peoples opinion on this. Is it worthwhile to record Batman of CN in January, or wait for WB to hopefully release all the episodes? Also, just wondering, who is the voice for Bruce Wayne in Batman Beyond?

[Calhoun07]

Has Warner announced they will release the entire series on DVD? We have seen other cartoon series come out with DVDs featuring the first five episodes (Batman Beyond and Scooby Doo) with no word on any additional releases. I see a track record here that worries me.

[James Harvey]

Bruce Wayne's voice in BATMAN BEYOND is still by Kevin Conroy - who will ALWAYS be Batman! And I'd recommend taping BATMAN. It may be awhile before all the eps go to DVD and this way you'll have VHS copies (tape in SP) as back up.

[Wing Zero]

Bruce Wayne is voiced by Kevin Conroy, the same person whose been doing Bruce Wayne/Batman since Batman:The Animated Series launched in1992...ah that was so long ago...

[Sugar Daddy]

DG, i read the faq where it says how to change where it says member under my user name, but its not working, what should I do? thanks

[James Harvey]

If you mean that "member" under your name, just go to Edit Options and the option is there. If not, just tell me what you want it changed to and I'll do it for ye.

[Sugar Daddy]

thanks

[James Harvey]

Alrighty then. Now - let's get back on topic shall we? Well...with the featurette on there...anything you'd like to see...

[Sugar Daddy]

I can't wait till all of this stuff comes out. Im gonna go to my local best buy and get them all! But going back on topic, I'd love to see again the episode that explains Dick Grayson becoming Nightwing and where Tim Drake becomes Robin. And on that note, where the original Robin and Batgirl come in to play. What memories

[James Harvey]

That episode! If WB goe sin order, that one won't pop up until volume #20 or #21.

Ya know, with Batman's appearance on Static Shock, that will make it exactly 115 appearances (Batman, Superman, Static). That'd make it enough episodes to issue one more DVD release.

[Poison Carley]

Wait the report I saw said Pretty Poison was on the first DVD and I didn't think that was part of the first 5 episodes?

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Poison Carley
Wait the report I saw said Pretty Poison was on the first DVD and I didn't think that was part of the first 5 episodes?

In production number order, Pretty Poison is episode #5, so it will be apart of the first five episodes on disc.

[Poison Carley]

I can't wait for the DVD's. I never bought the Poison Ivy video tape they released. So this will be good. :)

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
That episode! If WB goe sin order, that one won't pop up until volume #20 or #21.


Are you kidding?!?! that's unfair

[James Harvey]

I'm not kidding. The episode was #101 or #102, so if WB keeps doing this in production/chrnonlogical order, then it will be sometime before it hits the digital disc.

[vodo]

Originally posted by Heehaw
Am I the only one who is disappointed that the episodes aren't being released in airdate order. That is certainly preferable to production order, as it seems to be the case. What a crappy first disc(with the exception of On Leather Wings and Pretty Poison). If it were airdate order we would have gotten The Cat and the Claw 1, On Leather Wings, Heart of Ice, Feat of Clay 1 and 2. Three great episodes, 1 good(Cat), and 1 bad(Feat 1)

I'm not complaining, though, we're getting them and that's what matters. Now as long as they are remastered I'll be even happier. Those older shows sure are dirty. http://www.mnsi.net/~prcox/binauralhead.gif I agree. I think its awesome that these dvd are finally coming...but to just give us 5 episodes is a terrible idea. The ideal dvd would be the entire first season...or at least half of the first season. I think the Simpsons season 1 box set is a perfect example of how a show should be released on dvd.

[Calhoun07]

Welcome to the boards, Vodo! I agree...the first five episodes format makes me leary too. WB just doesn't have any kind of track record for doing any follow up to put out subsequent volumes when they do releases like this. I fear this will be the only Batman animated series DVD we will see.

[James Harvey]

Welcome to the boards, vodo! The ideal would be those season sets, which is what was initially reported and what we were all wishing for. I am a bit dissapointed that we'll only get 5 episodes at first, but I'm hoping it leads to more...please...

[baggins]

Are they showing just the first 85 episodes of BTAS on the CN or are they also showing , episodes 86-109 ,as they never showed them at all in the U.K.

[James Harvey]

They are showing all 109 episodes of Batman beginning on January 7th at 11pm. Another reason why WB isn't likely release season sets.

[baggins]

Well thats some great news anyway.I,m really looking forward to seeing the later episodes.We only got he World Finest Video in
the U.K.Are they going to show the Justice League episodes on any of the Sky channels.

[Calhoun07]

Slightly off topic-----

Did the X Files sets and other TV shows like Twilight Zone and Star Trek TOS hurt the syndicated ratings for those shows? It strikes me that all these shows still do well in reruns, in spite of being out on DVD. I was just curious, as these studios always use the excuse that as long as the shows are in syndication they won't likely put it out on DVD.

[James Harvey]

You know, Cal, now that you mention it - you think it'd be the reverse. A person isn't gonna buy a DVD of a show when they can watch it for "free" on television. You'd think the show airings would effect sales. So, in hindsight, their "video hurt tv ratings" theory is sorta...wrong.

[Calhoun07]

That's an excellent point, and very valid. In fact, people at work and others I know will sometimes tell me I am wasting my money on X Files sets and what not cuz you can just watch it on TV. I think there is a healthy amount of people out there who will not want these season sets and will continue to watch it on TV. The season sets are for the die hard fans, who would likely watch BOTH! I know sometimes I still watch X Files episodes on TV that I have on DVD.

[James Harvey]

WB should have jumped on this when CN took Batman off the air for a few months. I think it's been off the air since March or so, and that time would have been an ideal time to put some episode son DVD. It would have been the only way to see episodes of Batman unless they're already taped.

[Calhoun07]

http://www.contrabandent.com/pez//contrib/ruinkai/yelcutelaughA.gifWB have good timing! Oh, that was a good one DG! You should consider going on tuor with this material!http://www.contrabandent.com/pez//contrib/ruinkai/yelcutelaughA.gif

[James Harvey]

Yeah - I think I could headline Vegas with that material. But it would have been perfect timing. But this is WB we're tlaking about...the only major studio left who has yet to do a season set...

[baggins]

Was it not Fox who commissioned WB to make BTAS in the first place for thier Fox Kids network?.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
I'm not kidding. The episode was #101 or #102, so if WB keeps doing this in production/chrnonlogical order, then it will be sometime before it hits the digital disc.

Wait, so lets say that WB gives out 5 episodes every other month. So that means that would come out in like, over 3 years. That's not good!

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by baggins
Was it not Fox who commissioned WB to make BTAS in the first place for thier Fox Kids network?.

Too bad Fox isn't putting this show on DVD! :(

I wish WB would sell home video rights of their TV shows to Fox. It's obvious they don't want to do anything with them.

And I will look forward to seeing a new Batman disc everyother month when we start getting those Scooby Doo episodes every other month.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by calhoun07


Too bad Fox isn't putting this show on DVD! :(

I wish WB would sell home video rights of their TV shows to Fox. It's obvious they don't want to do anything with them.


It's funny, because a couple of months back, after there was this three or four hour marathon of the 60s batman show(which my vcr screwed up on recording), i called fox(who produced that show) to ask if they were putting it on soon on vhs or dvd. they said they dont own the copyright. They didnt say who did, but i figured it was wb, so i called them. They said we own the copyright, so i asked would copies of the episodes be coming out soon, as i have the movie release on dvd and id like some of the episodes. and i got a i dont know. i probably shouldnt have been suprised

[Maxie Zeus]

Warners was instrumental in the creation of the DVD. None of the other studios dared touch the technology while it was still in flux, and it was WHV which pulled the rival electronics companies together and knocked their heads until they agreed on a common format. And then WHV went and bullied the other studios into opening their vaults to the new format.

And now WB is the studio that really sux at doing DVD releases?

:Maxie reels in bafflement:

[The Mad Hatter]

Heh... fascinating point, there.

We can only hope that the B:TAS DVDs will garner great sales with all its mainstream critical acclaim and ensure we get the rest of the DVDs, but the company has screwed us before...

[James Harvey]

WB? Screw us over? Nooooo...

I was really hoping FOX still had the rights to the old 1960's show. I was wondering why we haven't seen a DVD release of that show yet. Well...now we, unfortunatly, have our answer.

BTW, I believe it was "billy pye/baggins" who was asking about VHS releases in the UK/US for Batman/Superman/Beyond. Here ya go.

http://www.batmanuk.freeserve.co.uk/batmanuk/btas.htm

http://www.batmanuk.freeserve.co.uk/batmanuk/tnba.htm

http://www.batmanuk.freeserve.co.uk/batmanuk/stas.htm

http://www.batmanuk.freeserve.co.uk/batmanuk/beyond.htm

Ya gotta scroll down abit, but there is some VHS info there which might be what you're looking for.

[baggins]

Thanks for that DG.I've got all the VHS episodes they released .They were the same IN THE U.K as in the U.S
When the CN start showing BTAS from the 7th of January.Are they putting the episodes in the same order as they were first released ,or production wise.Any way a least they will be digital
this timew arround.

[James Harvey]

As far as i know they won't be digitally remastered. CN has said nothing of this.

And CN will air them in Production number orders with exception, of course, with the two parters.

[Sugar Daddy]

on the midnight movie on new years, will that be a batman movie? just wondering, cause if it is i wanna record it

[James Harvey]

Anychance we can get back on topic here?

A bit fo the charm of the early episodes was the apparent dust and scratches on them. It's gonna be weird to see that episodes all "clean".

[mgibson72]

Sorry, dirt and scratches don't qualify as "charming" in my book. Let's hear it for cleaning those babies up!!! :D

[James Harvey]

I thought it gave the show that sort of classic retro-ish feel to it. But then again, I can also do without it as well. Sometimes it was too painfully obvious. There's a couple scene in HEART OF STEEL where the dust is overwhelming.

[mgibson72]

Part of what I loved about TNBA was how clean it looked. (The other part was the great redesign of the characters.) Everything moved so smoothly and the look was so crisp! If the older episodes can look even one quarter that good through digital restoration, then I'll be extremely happy.

[baggins]

Going back to those WB snap cases.The Wizard of Oz has just been released and the film has been digtally enhance so has the sound track.The disc has some of the best extras I've ever seen.
You would think that WB would have done a great box design.No it's the same snap case but with the ends yellow!, maybe thats some progess?.

[baggins]

Originally posted by mgibson72
Part of what I loved about TNBA was how clean it looked. (The other part was the great redesign of the characters.) Everything moved so smoothly and the look was so crisp! If the older episodes can look even one quarter that good through digital restoration, then I'll be extremely happy.

Sometimes less is more.The drawrings are alot more suttler.There is a good chapter on that theme in the Batman Animated book.

[baggins]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
As far as i know they won't be digitally remastered. CN has said nothing of this.

And CN will air them in Production number orders with exception, of course, with the two parters.

Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.No I ment the Sky broadcast is in Digital.

[Golden Age Flash]

Originally posted by mgibson72
Part of what I loved about TNBA was how clean it looked. (The other part was the great redesign of the characters.) Everything moved so smoothly and the look was so crisp! If the older episodes can look even one quarter that good through digital restoration, then I'll be extremely happy.

I think that they actually changed the way they were transferring the pencil drawings to the actual cels later in the series, adding to the cleaner look.

The manbat images (as well as some of the others from the earlier shows) actually faded pretty badly after they were used in production (good luck finding a manbat if you collect the cels).

[Calhoun07]

I am also for getting these episodes as clean as we can get them! I don't think scratches and grit add any more to my experience of watching as do scratches on an LP add to my expereince of listening to music. Give me the music on CD, and give me my episodes cleaned up!

[baggins]

In this day and age there is no excuse for showing bad prints of animation.If they can clean up some of those old animated films from the 30s-40s, then a show thats just ten years old shouldn't be a problem.

[James Harvey]

I'm still curious if we definatly will get the snapper case. With the revelation that it will be just one volume (for now) I thnik the odds are 100% that we will. Those cases are the most beastly things ever invented...why oh why...are they still around.

Oh wait...becuase WB owns majority stock in the company that makes them...grrr...

[Calhoun07]

I think you would be more successful in stopping the tide than stopping WB use snappers. It's an unfotunate force of nature, I'm afraid.

[The Game]

God I hate those snapper cases...

And I like alot of the WB and New Line dvds...

Do you know why New Line uses the snappers?

Anyway, what are the chances that there will be more than one DVD. I mean, it's kinda pointless to have just five episdodes on DVD. Will they all be released?

[James Harvey]

New Line uses them becuase they are also owned by Time-Warner, the same folk who own WB. That's why they use snappers. Although for theirr ecent "infinifilm" releases they have been using keep cases.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by thegame8866
Anyway, what are the chances that there will be more than one DVD. I mean, it's kinda pointless to have just five episdodes on DVD. Will they all be released?

The point of doing the first five episodes is that WB wants to test the waters with this release, to see if the sales justify putting out any more subsequent volumes. If they sell well, we will see more episodes, if not...well, we have five episodes. SO EVERYBODY BUY ONE! ;)

PS: If anybody is looking for the discussion on snapper cases, I felt it was growing big enough and veering far enough off the main topic of this thread to justify being split off and moved to the DVD Discussion Board (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14646) . There is a redirect on this page to that thead, or you may click on the link.

[James Harvey]

WB did that with Scooby and they got 5 or 6 more DVDs afterwards, with more on the way. I think the chances of getting more follow up DVDs is very, very good.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
WB did that with Scooby and they got 5 or 6 more DVDs afterwards, with more on the way. I think the chances of getting more follow up DVDs is very, very good.

I know this is slightly off topic, but are the Scooby Doo DVDs of the 60s(time period?) cartoon TV Show? Back to Batman, was Nightwing ever on B:TAS, or did was he only on TNBA? Just trying to remember how they explained it

[Arachkid]

Nightwing was only on TNBA. His resignation as Robin was touched on in the "Old Wounds" episode, and explained in greater detail in the "Batman: The Lost Years" comic mini. :)

[James Harvey]

Yup. WB has released 5 or 6 of the old Scooby show, as well as releases a new Scooby Doo DTV every year for the past 4 - 5 years I believe. Looks like Batman will be getting similair treatment...

[Arachkid]

The question is, will we ever see the Batman/Scooby crossover episodes on DVD? :D

[ZorBrak]

well, as far as I can remember "batman" (or a skitzo guy who wears a blue mask and thinks he is batman) only appeared on scooby movies once, but the movie wasn't very good and this was the campy style batman complete with a campy robin on the side

[GrayGhost]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
I'm still curious if we definatly will get the snapper case. With the revelation that it will be just one volume (for now) I thnik the odds are 100% that we will. Those cases are the most beastly things ever invented...why oh why...are they still around.

Oh wait...becuase WB owns majority stock in the company that makes them...grrr...

All Warner Bros movies and movie companies that are owned by Warner will always have the snapper cases. Warner owns part of the compnay that manufactures them. They will NEVER get rid of them. Trust me. This discussion has happened many, many times over on a DVD forum I chat at. Warner and snappers are basically set in stone. Which, of course, sucks.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
WB did that with Scooby and they got 5 or 6 more DVDs afterwards, with more on the way. I think the chances of getting more follow up DVDs is very, very good.

I thought those were DTVs that were released? :confused: Did they put out more episodes of the original series on DVD? I mean besides Original Mysteries and Spookiest Tales.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
Looks like Batman will be getting similair treatment...

I would be so happy if it did. I like regular episodes on a TV series just fine, but who can say "no" to a DTV: bigger, longer and (dare we say after ROTJ?) uncut. And no worrying that won't ever come out on DVD. I mean, where's the downside?

[James Harvey]

I know they released more. I know that one of them is called Greatest Mysteries. There are more. The DTVs are seperate, as I consider.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
I know they released more. I know that one of them is called Greatest Mysteries. There are more. The DTVs are seperate, as I consider.

Please don't tell me Canada has more Scooby episdoes on DVD than America does. That would suck. I did a search at www.dvdpricesearch.com on Scooby Doo since they search stores all over the net. Here are the results:




Title Search Results (8 Matches)


List is sorted by Title. Click on title to get price and detailed information. [Customize Table]

Titles (1-8) Genre Studio Lowest Price
(US$) DVD
Scooby Doo And The Alien Invaders Animation Warner $16.25
Scooby Doo And The Cyber Chase Animation Warner $17.85
Scooby Doo And The Witch's Ghost Animation, Family Warner $13.98
Scooby Doo Collection: Original Mysteries / Spookiest Tales Family Warner $25.75
Scooby Doo On Zombie Island Animation, Family Warner $13.50
Scooby Doo's Original Mysteries Animation Warner $13.98
Scooby Doo's Spookiest Tales Animation Warner $13.50
Scooby-Doo And The Reluctant Werewolf Comedy Warner $13.98

[James Harvey]

Well that doesn't look too bad. Batman is sort of in the oppostei position with there being less DTVs - that is until WB officially greenlights to three scripts that are just waiting in the wings. Still, since WB started putting Scooby to DVD in 1998, 8 DVDs in 3 years is pretty good, you gotta admit.

[Calhoun07]

If we get 8 Batman DVDs in the next three years, whether they are episodes or DTVs, I will be quite pleased!

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by calhoun07
If we get 8 Batman DVDs in the next three years, whether they are episodes or DTVs, I will be quite pleased!

me 2

[baggins]

Eight DVDs in three years seems crap to me.It's a case of all around the houses again.It's about time WB started treating fans like men and not like boy's.

[James Harvey]

Eight DVDs in three years would be good, and likely the best we'd get. That averages out to about 3 a year. so I'm not complaining. A new Batman DVD every 4 months would be cool. Although, deep down, I still wonder if we'd even get that many DVDs...I guess all we can do is wait and see. We have to be realistic and realize WB isn't gonna pour out all these DVDs to make a small group of hardcore fans pleased. They're gonna do it the best way they can stretch the dollar.

[Golden Age Flash]

Every 4 months or so seems like a great timeframe until you look at the actual number of months it would take to get out all of the episodes. I'm still concerned (as other posts are) that the WB is gonna stall at some point and abandon future DVD releases when we're one third of the way through the first season....but I guess I'll take any that I can get....!!!

[baggins]

If WB don't commit to doing the whole series , they can stick it for me.I'm sick of having my chain pulled.If they are going to put out all 22 DVDs over a period of time well o.k.But the must say when they will be released and over what period of time , otherwise forget it.As much as I love BTAS, there are plenty of other series for me to continue collecting(X-Files, Buffy,STTNG ETC)

[James Harvey]

The only way WB will continue to do these discs is if people buy them - so buy them. I know alot of you have a gripe with the discs, but this will be, infrtunatly, the only way to get these discs.

[ZorBrak]

<<They're gonna do it the best way they can stretch the dollar.>>

I'm not trying to clash with you here DG, but you and I both know if WB knew what the best methods were for making money in the home entertainment market, they would release season sets, remember folks this is WB, logic is not in their vocab. ;)

[Calhoun07]

I say pick them up as they come out. If you're going to wait until they come out with all 22 volumes, assuming they do come out with all 22 volumes, then imagine how much money you're going to have to pay all at once for those DVDs. But if you don't support it one disc at a time, then you are decreasing your chances to see all 22 volumes come out. The only way this is gonna work is if we all pitch in and show our support by buying the DVDs.

[baggins]

I'm not going against what you are saying DG, but you've got to admit it does stink.If WB came out and said they are going to put out the whole series , thats only fair.What if they go down the same road as they usually do and then stop delivering the goods.
Surely it would'nt hurt for them to give us some idea of thier plans.

[baggins]

As I've said all along why don't WB bring out both versions ,sets and individual DVDs.They have no trouble bringing out different versions of movies on DVD (Pan and Scan/Wide Screen/Dolby Digital/DTS).Then you are supplying all your fans needs and pocket powers.

[The Mad Hatter]

Yep, their plans suck. But honestly, this is one of the few bones WB has thrown us, and there is NOTHING we can do about it. So me, I'm going to sigh heavily, take what I can get, and hope that my dollars convince them that there's a market for more DVDs.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
So me, I'm going to sigh heavily, take what I can get, and hope that my dollars convince them that there's a market for more DVDs.


Me 2, Me 2. I am hoping that all the eps are released. Oh well

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by baggins
I'm not going against what you are saying DG, but you've got to admit it does stink.

I admit that it toally sucks in every way possible. WB really doesn't care for imput on their video division. If they did then they would make the email and phone addresses public record, and not hit them away. But if this is how I get my episodes, then this is how I'll get them.

[Heehaw]

The majority of episodes on the first DVD just plain stink. "Christmas with the Joker" is my personal selection for worst episode in the series. It quite possibly has the worst animation, voice delivery, plot, and everything else. Then we have "The Last Laugh" which features Conroy on one of his "horsey" throat days. He sounds like he just downed a bottle of vintage. Same for Hamill. The animation is typical Akom. Same goes for "Nothing to Fear", though the story is pretty decent. One of the better lesser episodes. "Pretty Poison" and "On Leather Wings" are strong shows, so there's a plus. Then, there was Clive Revell....yippee.

[Sugar Daddy]

All I can say is, I may not like the way I am getting the episodes, but I am getting them, at least 5 of them, so I cant wait 4 that

[baggins]

Is there an e-mail address for the ordinary punter to contact WB?.
Maybe if everyone voiced thier views , they might take notice.It's a long shot , but if you don't try you'll never know.

[James Harvey]

There was an email address bit it's been taken down and discontinued.

[baggins]

I thought so.I had thier e-mail address a few years ago when I was trying to find out if they did a video version of Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein. But they have changed it since then.If there is a lesson to be lernt from that , it is that all things come to those who wait.After finally
waiting for the video release of the movie ,Universal released it on DVD as well as all those great old monster movies.As in time I'm quite sure WB will release the whole BTAS in Box set.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by baggins
As in time I'm quite sure WB will release the whole BTAS in Box set.

I really hope that you are right

[baggins]

It's inevitable.When they run out of different avenues to go down, they will turn to making box sets of T.V animated series.
Maybe WB won't be the first .But once one of the studios does it first, then the rest will follow suit.Thats why I though WB had an opptunity here.With the show being an Emmy winner and it being it's tenth anniversary.Maybe with the release of Spiderman in the summer, Fox will release the animated T.V series in whole box sets.Fox seem to lead the way in everything else.It seems strange that they were the last studio to go in for DVD, and now they do the best extras of all the studios on DVD.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by baggins
.Maybe with the release of Spiderman in the summer, Fox will release the animated T.V series in whole box sets.Fox seem to lead the way in everything else.It seems strange that they were the last studio to go in for DVD, and now they do the best extras of all the studios on DVD.

The one thing I dont like about Fox is what they have done wiht my Dodgers, but thats a whole other issue

[baggins]

Dodgers? sorry never heard of it.But you must admit they have done some great extras on DVD. The Alien movies , Independence Day,Abyss,X-Men, Predator 1-2,The Fly 1986 Planet of the Apes 2001-1968.
The list goes on and on.
P.S Dodgers , do you mean the baseball team ?.I'm a football man myself (soccer) Liverpool, the greatest.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by baggins

P.S Dodgers , do you mean the baseball team ?.I'm a football man myself (soccer) Liverpool, the greatest.

yea, i mean the baseball team

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by baggins
The Alien movies , Independence Day,Abyss,X-Men, Terminator 1-2,The Fly 1986 Planet of the Apes 2001-1968.

FOX didn't release the Terminator DVDs. Companies Artisan and MGM released these DVDs. FOX has nothing to do with the Terminator franchise. Now letrs get back on topic here...

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
There was an email address bit it's been taken down and discontinued.

The email addresses were easy to find last year around the time of the ROTJ controversy. I suppose they made them private because they got sick of all of use emailing them. And could you imagine how sick they would be about us emailing them telling them how to do the Batman TAS on DVD? But then they might get a clue what customers really want, and you can't have that going on, now can you?

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Heehaw
The majority of episodes on the first DVD just plain stink. "Christmas with the Joker" is my personal selection for worst episode in the series. It quite possibly has the worst animation, voice delivery, plot, and everything else. Then we have "The Last Laugh" which features Conroy on one of his "horsey" throat days. He sounds like he just downed a bottle of vintage. Same for Hamill. The animation is typical Akom. Same goes for "Nothing to Fear", though the story is pretty decent. One of the better lesser episodes. "Pretty Poison" and "On Leather Wings" are strong shows, so there's a plus. Then, there was Clive Revell....yippee.

Yeah, you speak for me too. Although I'm not too fond of "Pretty Poison" either, so I'd basically only get "On Leather Wings" out of it.

But I'll get it anyway, both to support the idea of a systematic and complete release, and because I would want to have them all anyway.

[James Harvey]

The only compliment that WB has gotten from this (that I've read) is that the episodes are in the right episode order. I really hope the sale son this DVD are huge, I'd like to see more.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
The only compliment that WB has gotten from this (that I've read) is that the episodes are in the right episode order. I really hope the sale son this DVD are huge, I'd like to see more.


right on dg. Hey, do u tell ur sources at wb info. that u talk about here? like, how the people want the b:tas dvds released? just wondering

[James Harvey]

You better believe that I mention what the fans want - repeatedly. And some of my sources even agree that they should be done this way.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
You better believe that I mention what the fans want - repeatedly. And some of my sources even agree that they should be done this way.

i wonder whos the thickhead who decides not to listen

[James Harvey]

It mostly has to do with the very higher ups who crunch the numbers. There's alot more to this whole scheme then most people realize, but I still have faith that we may get what we want.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
It mostly has to do with the very higher ups who crunch the numbers. There's alot more to this whole scheme then most people realize, but I still have faith that we may get what we want.

if the wb continues at a 5 ep/dvd pace, then y would they make box sets after?

[Heehaw]

The only compliment that WB has gotten from this (that I've read) is that the episodes are in the right episode order

Ha, ha, maybe for you, but not for me. Airdate order is my personal preference.

[baggins]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
You better believe that I mention what the fans want - repeatedly. And some of my sources even agree that they should be done this way.

What do WB think of whole series box sets? and is there any feed back to this?.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by baggins


What do WB think of whole series box sets? and is there any feed back to this?.

Geeze that'd be expensive...

[Calhoun07]

Over the long run, you would wind up spending more money on the individual DVDs than you would on one box set. But if they release them individually, I am sure that would diminish the chances of a box set selling well, so I can't see them doing that.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by baggins


What do WB think of whole series box sets? and is there any feed back to this?.


WB said they're interested in doing box sets but wants to test the waters first.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
WB said they're interested in doing box sets but wants to test the waters first.
Here's my 1 problem with that: Ok, wb tests the waters with 2 dvds, and that would be 10 eps. then, they decide to make box sets. do i have to buy all the episodes over again? i think there were more than 10 eps in the first season, so id have to buy the box sets with eps i already have(which i probably would do, its jst annoying)

[James Harvey]

Yeah - that's the thing. Then again - I assume that maybe WB won't do a box season set, but a box episode set, which just collects 20 - 30 episodes. The seasons for Batman vary widely in episodes. First season is 60 episodes, second is 15, and the last two are 5 each. Then we got an 14 episode season and an 11 episode season. The seasons are very inconsistent which will cause problems. I'm assuming if WB pursues a box set, it'll be done by episodes, not seasons.

[Calhoun07]

If the first two DVDs do well, they can repackage those DVDs together if they want, but I too agree that I would be more reluctant to buy a box set if it included material I already owned.

[Golden Age Flash]

Depends how far they get before releasing the box set, 1 or 2 "test the water" DVD's doesnt bother me at all...

[baggins]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson



WB said they're interested in doing box sets but wants to test the waters first.

Do you think WB would test the waters in the U.K? the've done it before with series box sets.

[baggins]

Originally posted by lasportsbiggie

Here's my 1 problem with that: Ok, wb tests the waters with 2 dvds, and that would be 10 eps. then, they decide to make box sets. do i have to buy all the episodes over again? i think there were more than 10 eps in the first season, so id have to buy the box sets with eps i already have(which i probably would do, its jst annoying)

They have done this before. It all comes down to money.When the Batman movies first started comming out on VHS.I purchased
all 4 movies.Then they brought out all the movies in wide screen , again I bought all 4 movies Finally they brought them out on DVD
PS one side Wide screen on the other .Same story purchased all 4 films.Now I hear that WB are bringing all 4 films out again with more extras and in DTS.Same old story.

[James Harvey]

ALL companies have re-released movies on DVD before, even if they're already on DVD already. It's common. It's the nature of the beast. And they'll continue to do it. There's not really anything you can do about it. I know that we'll see DVD Re-releases of Batman and possible the the animated series, but I'm ready for it.

[baggins]

Wouldn't be a change for WB to give us something to get our teeth into, insted of all these scraps.

[James Harvey]

It'd be nice, but that's just how they do it, unfortunatly. We can always wish, though. I'm looking forward to these DVDs with optomism. No sense going into these DVDs with a bad attitude.

[Adam Tyner]

DVD Shrine has oodles of Warner release dates on their site (http://www.dvdshrine.com/story.shtml?id=8130&cat=current), and the highlights are:

04/23/02 - Batman & Mr. Freeze: Sub Zero
04/23/02 - Batman Beyond: The Return of the Joker (original cut)
04/23/02 - Batman/Superman Movie, The
04/23/02 - Batman: The Animated Series - The Legend Begins
04/23/02 - Justice League

Apologies if this has already been posted. I knew the 'April 2002' date had been bandied about, but I hadn't seen a full date until now.

[Calhoun07]

Thanks for the info! I knew April was the month we would see the JL and Batam TAS DVDs, but I had no idea they were planning on those other titles coming out that month. Dang, that's alot at once!

[baggins]

I'm looking forward to it too.As I've said before I have been a Batman fan since I saw the reruns of the old serials I used to go and watch at the Saturday Cinema club and the old DC comics my uncle used to bring home.BTAS is the finest example of the way
Bob Kane wished for Batman to be viewed.It's the way Batman was ment to be seen

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Adam Tyner
DVD Shrine has oodles of Warner release dates on their site (http://www.dvdshrine.com/story.shtml?id=8130&cat=current), and the highlights are:

04/23/02 - Batman & Mr. Freeze: Sub Zero
04/23/02 - Batman Beyond: The Return of the Joker (original cut)
04/23/02 - Batman/Superman Movie, The
04/23/02 - Batman: The Animated Series - The Legend Begins
04/23/02 - Justice League

Apologies if this has already been posted. I knew the 'April 2002' date had been bandied about, but I hadn't seen a full date until now.

Yya beat me to it! I was gonna post this up today! I got an email with the date last night and they match with these! Good job, though, finding these dates!