"The Batman" Coming to Cartoon Network April 2nd (Pictures of new characters inside)

[CookieS]

Just thought I'd mention that the Kids WB series, The Batman (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/thebatman/index.html), will be coming to Cartoon Network on April 2nd (USA only) at 7 PM et/pt. It will be part of the weekly Toonami block!

[adoptedBatpuppy]

What show will The Batman be replacing? How do you feel about it coming to Cartoon Network?

[Duke]

What show will The Batman be replacing?
Actually, it will be airing at 8:30PM, not 7PM, unless there's been a weird change I haven't heard about. Duel Masters Season 2 is set to premiere the week before, and I can't see the show moving after a week.

The Batman will take over JLU's slot, while JLU will replace Megas XLR.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well ya never know... Duel Masters may have gotten delayed. It was apparently suppose to air in February though there have been conflicting reports on that matter.

But I think the 7PM thing was just a typo. The rest of the site mentions a 9PM premiere time. And the most recent schedules say 8:30PM between Teen Titans and JLU. But given the light hearted nature of Zatch Bell's dub they might actually stick it a 9PM afterall.

[Killtacular]

Did uh.. TZ ever show the pictures of Solomon Grundy and Ragdoll and Spellbinder? Grundy looks like he auditioned to be in the House of the Dead video games..

http://img15.exs.cx/img15/585/grundy3ww.png

http://img184.exs.cx/img184/1273/croc1zn.png
Well, he looks better than the TNBA version.

http://img184.exs.cx/img184/5608/spellbinder5nj.png
Uhhhhh..

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/4844/hugostrange8uy.png

Looks like the Atkins diet is working.

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/6040/ragdoll0ol.png
Hey, it's Scarecrow! wait no it isn't

No pictures of Batgirl or Commissioner Gordon or Ivy, though.

[Joker1238]

I like Megas XLR.It is a cool show, what will happen to that??
I do hate THE Batman though, dont like any of the new designs they have, expect maybe Catwoman. I hate the Joker's new look. And plenty of bad writting. I would have my left hand cut off, if they cancle THE batman, and have reruns of Batman TAS.

I hope they dont take off Megas, Megas is a better TV show than THE Batman. And I would hate to see Teen titans, JLU, or Megas get cut because of this show.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Wasn't Spellbinder a Batman Beyond villian?

[Duke]

http://img15.exs.cx/img15/585/grundy3ww.png
....Isn't Grundy supposed to be able to take on even Superman? This guy doesn't even look like can handle TNBA Robin or even Baby Superman.


http://img184.exs.cx/img184/5608/spellbinder5nj.png
...That looks more like Curare than Spellbinder.


http://img213.exs.cx/img213/4844/hugostrange8uy.png
GASP! It's Rupert Thorne, except older and with black hair dye!


I like Megas XLR.It is a cool show, what will happen to that??
I do hate THE Batman though, dont like any of the new designs they have, expect maybe Catwoman. I hate the Joker's new look. And plenty of bad writting. I would have my left hand cut off, if they cancle THE batman, and have reruns of Batman TAS.

I hope they dont take off Megas, Megas is a better TV show than THE Batman. And I would hate to see Teen titans, JLU, or Megas get cut because of this show.
Megas is off the network at the moment. A 3rd season is up in the air, though there have been rumors of a weekday run. Also, the first season is tentatively scheduled to be released on DVD this fall.

[Chad Bonin]

Toonami will thusly be 3/8ths DCAU.

... at least we'll get a kicking promo, and I'll actually be able to see the show...

[fatboy]

.....Megas is off the network at the moment. A 3rd season is up in the air, though there have been rumors of a weekday run. Also, the first season is tentatively scheduled to be released on DVD this fall.

Yeah, they only got a script pick up. It dosen't look good for the show. According to the few people I know on the show, most of the staff has gone on to get other gigs.

[Paul_Cousins]

Yeah, they only got a script pick up. It dosen't look good for the show. According to the few people I know on the show, most of the staff has gone on to get other gigs.And where have you heard this from?

If you are talking about Steven Blum and Wendee Lee, 10% of the dub anime released in the U.S. have those two in them... Of course they have gone to other projects for the time being... :sweat:

About "The Batman" Spellbinder, the character does look sort of like Curare.

Also, "The Batman" Strange looks like Marvel's Kingpin with long hair. :sweat:

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Yeah, they only got a script pick up. It dosen't look good for the show. According to the few people I know on the show, most of the staff has gone on to get other gigs.
If you mean writers... Then good riddance. We needed better ones anyway. Hopefully they will be replaced by better ones rather than worse ones.

[konakazi]

I'm all for the show being on CN, but I doubt it will make much of a fan out of me. I'll wind up watching it just because it will be on more often but as I've said, I don't care for it all that much.

I really think the character design is very uninspired and is just redesign for redesign's sake without adding anything, like bad karaoke, or Britney Spears singing "My Perogative". :sweat:

What's with the fée Crow-ish Riddler? Killer Croc looks like he should have been on TMNT. GRUNDY? What the hell? Cluemaster? Ugh. What a waste of cels this show is.

They should have just made a new DCAU Beyond story if they wanted "extreme".

[Phantasm]

*sigh*

It wouldn't kill them to have reruns of BTAS/TNBA/BB.:sad: :mad:

[creativerealms]

For the character designs of the new characters, I like Killer Croc, and Grundy’s new design is great. I was guessing Grundy would be the Justice League villain The Batman was going to use, they were basically finished with him after “Waking the Dead” anyway. I can’t think of any logical way for Grundy to return after that.



Yes this Grundy does not look like he could take on Superman but he still looks menacing and he does not look as wrong as some Batman designs. This Grundy might not be huge but he still looks like he could hold his own.



I hate Spellbinders look of course I was hoping The Batman would go for the female Spell Binder.



Wow the new collection of The Batman villains (Grundy, Rag doll, Riddler and Spellbinder look quite anorexic to say the least. Strange and Croc are the only of the new villain designs with any meat on their bodies at all.



Hugo Strange looks wrong, well at least he is not as fat as Clue master. Also from his description his episode might be interesting.



Rag doll? Is this a new villain created for the show? Anyway The Batman can’t Scarecrow thanks to Batman Begins so they make this cheap clone? Ok I guess I have to see the episode first.



Now about The Batman itself. I do not hate the show as much as other people in fact I want to see the season finally as it is actually suppose to be pretty good. There have been some really bad episodes but most of the time I find The Batman at least entertaining and even good from time to time.

[EJill34]

The Croc design is alright, but the others aren't suitable for a Batman show. For an Elseworlds Batman show they would be wonderfully freakish and I'd wholeheartedly approve of them because on their own, they are very cool . In fact, most of The Batman's designs are well-done, but I just think that for a show that's introducing Batman to a new generation of kids, its not doing its job correctly. If the writing was better (and I hear that the Season 1 finale is quite good) I would be more forgiving to the designs.

If they were advertising this show as a whole new kind of Batman (kind of like Batman Beyond) I could watch it and say "Hey, this whole horror movie thing is a really cool take on the Batman mythos" but I feel like its going to steer kids away from comics instead of making them interested in what is a dying industry. Comics may not be great literature, but its unfortunate that the industry has trouble supporting itself since no one except die-hard collectors buy them anymore.

[Bird Boy]

*sigh*

It wouldn't kill them to have reruns of BTAS/TNBA/BB.:sad: :mad:

If you hate this show so much, couldn't you just...ignore the show in it's entirety, including the threads? I mean really...I don't look at the threads for shows I hate, because that's considered to be pointless and a waste of time. No one wants to hear the reiteration of the same opinions by the same person over and over again if they never change and are slanted towards previous incarnations of the character.

-BB

[Killtacular]

*sigh*

It wouldn't kill them to have reruns of BTAS/TNBA/BB.:sad: :mad:
I don't think CN has the rights to any of those anymore. WB probably wouldn't sell them back either, because it would conflict with Batman Begins.

[creativerealms]

I don't see anything wrong with Grundy besides the fact he is smaller then he should be. He actually looks enought like Grundy for me not to hate the design.

[Sprocket]

I don't mean to flame, but I find Jeff Matsuda to be one of the worst character designers I've ever seen. Seriously.

[Style]

I don't think CN has the rights to any of those anymore. WB probably wouldn't sell them back either, because it would conflict with Batman Begins.
That's kind of unfortunate. But I'm not personally getting to worked up over it, because WB is releasing all those episodes, (well, not Batman Beyond...yet) on nice DVD sets. And when I have DVDs of a favorite show of mine, I stop watching reruns of it. So, were not exactly left out in the cold, is all I'm saying.

Personally, I like the new Grundy design. Not over the JLU design, I probably like that better, but I don't think The Batman's is bad. Interesting though, I'm kind of surprised Grundy is there. Isn't he a Flash villain? And is this why b.t. was so adamant that Grundy wasn't coming back? But, they've got a Grundy JLU action figure on the way, so isn't there a lot of conflict going on here?

[creativerealms]

I dislike his batman designs but Matsuda's designs are different to say the least. I hate most of them but ones like Grundy and Catwoman who are close to their regular designs are not that bad. Grundy looks thinner then normal but besides that his design is not that far off from normal.

[Joker1238]

Grudy is far off,

The Grudy of Superfreinds look almost like the one in JL.

[paulie]

The Croc design is alright, but the others aren't suitable for a Batman show. For an Elseworlds Batman show they would be wonderfully freakish and I'd wholeheartedly approve of them because on their own, they are very cool .How do you define "Elseworlds"? Would kids even know the difference? Heck, I can't even tell what is or isn't Elseworlds among the DCAU and however many Batbooks are out there. Can't the designs be "very cool", like you said, on their own merit?


In fact, most of The Batman's designs are well-done, but I just think that for a show that's introducing Batman to a new generation of kids, its not doing its job correctly. Is "The Batman" selling toys? On a basic level, I think that's the only job it has. I've peeked a lot of Batbooks because of the DCAU, and I don't blame the kids for NOT buying the comics.

In general, I like the designs and I am looking foward to how they come across animated. I think the designs and animation are by far the strongest thing about the show (color me obvious).

Grundy: when I see this design, all I can think of is "This is THRILLER! Thriller night!" Anyway, since there's no Superman (so far) in "The Batman", Grundy doesn't need to be anything other than what they say he is.

Killer Croc: I like this design way better than the TNBA version. It mostly has to do with the deeper green color, it looks more menacing and like a walking croc.

Spellbinder: I like this design, nothing wrong with it. It has potential to be more interesing than the Batman Beyond design.

[creativerealms]

Compared to other The batman villains he at least still looks like himself.

The Batman villains are not suppose to look like their comic book versions but many don't even look based on them in the littlest bit. At many of the villains I would have a hard time figuring out who they were suppose to be that is not the case with Grundy.

Ok I just happen to like the design and that won't change no matter what.

[EJill34]

How do you define "Elseworlds"?Big changes to the status quo (Batman as a pirate, Batman in a horror movie, etc.), but still some resemblances to the original.


Would kids even know the difference? Heck, I can't even tell what is or isn't Elseworlds among the DCAU and however many Batbooks are out there. Can't the designs be "very cool", like you said, on their own merit?Most of them are pretty cool, but like I said, there is a whole generation of kids who will grow up without ever knowing anything about the icon that is Batman and his colorful gallery of rogues.


Is "The Batman" selling toys? On a basic level, I think that's the only job it has.You make a good point, but nothing (aside from those pesky censors) is stopping the creators from going that extra step and making the show more than a 22-minute toy commercial. I've heard that the finale is a very humanistic story (which proves that the censors shouldn't be holding them back), so I'm holding out hope that the 2nd Season will continue in that vein of quality.


I've peeked a lot of Batbooks because of the DCAU, and I don't blame the kids for NOT buying the comics.There are a few Batbooks on the market that are good, but probably not entirely appropriate for the kids. Man, if only Batman Adventures hadn't been cancelled.

[Gaunt]

Hmm...nice designs.

Grundy looks far better, in my opinion. Wheras the other one can pass off as an albino Hulk, this one actually looks undead. Love the coat design. The haunting seems like a take from Gentlemen Ghost (the classic Batman villian).

Seems Hush-inspired. Don't like the "motivation" listed (Submerge the city for profit).

Rag-Doll is...interesting. His design screams "Scarecrow" but the conformist angle is somewhat original.

Shouldn't have used the Kingpin look for Hugo Strange. Can you imagine that figure in a Batman suit (for those that are confused, Hugo wanted to replace Batman in the comics)?

The worst is by far Spellbinder. The Batman Beyond villain had at least a cool costume to go along with his origin. Heck, it seems as if the new Spellbinder is a mix of Scarecrow (the hallucinations) and Ras Al Ghul (the mystical approach).

[Arsenal]

Interesting though, I'm kind of surprised Grundy is there. Isn't he a Flash villain?
Grundy used to be an all-purpose DC kind of villain who popped up whenever somebody needed a fight (see Copperhead). Nowaways he lurks around the swamps near Gotham and functions as a Batman rogue.


Wasn't Spellbinder a Batman Beyond villian?
Most Bat Beyond villains were based on obscure Bat-bad guys like Kobra, Spellbinder, and the Royal Flush Gang (the BB RFG is based on the Hector Hammond version). There have been three Spellbinders. The first was Dilbert Billings, an artist if I recall. When Neron wanted to make a deal with him, he refused. His girlfriend, Fay Moffit, accepted and murdered Dilbert. Thus she became the second Spellbinder. The third one was unaffiliated with the others, had a silly costume, and rolled with the Leaguebusters.

[paulie]

There are a few Batbooks on the market that are good, but probably not entirely appropriate for the kids. Man, if only Batman Adventures hadn't been cancelled.You know, from what I've read, "Batman Adventures" was the best of the lot. Maybe it's because I was familiar with the style and characters, but I thought it told the best stories.

Back OT:

Hugo Strange: I don't remember him much from BTAS (I need to get Vol. 2 still). But this design seems pretty generic by "The Batman" standards. Jury is out.

Scarecrow: Uummm, I don't know what they're planning on with this dude. Seems like a brown Riddler. Still, depending on how he moves (more like a doll or more like a person), it could work.

[Wanted]

What, is it like The Batman has new, CN exclusive episodes?

I think they should try to start at episode one, before they jump to all these new characters.

But, alas, The Batman is a welcome addition to the weekly Cartoon Network lineup.

[Duke]

The Batman IS starting at Episode 1, and it'll be Toonami-only for right now.

[Master Moron]

Hmm...nice designs.

Grundy looks far better, in my opinion. Wheras the other one can pass off as an albino Hulk, this one actually looks undead. Love the coat design. The haunting seems like a take from Gentlemen Ghost (the classic Batman villian).


But, a zombie is a dead human, that's what a zombie should look like, this Grundy looks like a monster, it doesn't really resemble a human at all.

[creativerealms]

Pualie that is not Scarecrow but a cheap imatation thanks to the fact that he is off limits until after Batman Begins airs. He does look like a doll but it fits this villain's name ragdoll.

[Gaunt]

But, a zombie is a dead human, that's what a zombie should look like, this Grundy looks like a monster, it doesn't really resemble a human at all.
But....it does resemble a human. It's clear that some decay has occured, but the human frame is intact. Check the picture again:
http://img15.exs.cx/img15/585/grundy3ww.png

I think that this version is more of a zombie than the Hulk-like Solomon Grundy seen in the comics and JLU.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

Batgirl's appearing next season? And commissioner Gordon? Is that true?

[Revelator]

Hugo Strange: ...this design seems pretty generic by "The Batman" standards. Jury is out.Very damn generic. I'm getting sick of those Matsuda squib noses, pouty mouths and pointy chins. These designs are symptomatic: after BTAS managed to at least get the visual look of many of the classic villains right by refocusing their comic appearances, The Batman, afraid of being directly compared to BTAS or repeating it, has tried getting as far away from BTAS and the comics as it can. In some cases the results are inspired, in others they seem merely like an attempt to be as way-out as possible just for the sake of being different--hence the superfreak look of so many of the villains. It seems a bit programmtic too: Grundy is slimmed down and the excess poundage goes to Strange instead. Why? Just so Strange could look like more freakish. (I always thought giving him that peanut head was enough, but that would be too subtle for this show.) But I am interested in seeing Rag Doll in action--he might work just as well or even better than the Scarecrow. Beyond considerations of design, I'm more interested in hearing who'll be writing the next season's episodes. The show will benefit from less Duane Capizzi and Adam Beechen and more Robert Goodman and Greg Weisman (provided he doesn't slip below the standard of the season finale). Hopefully they'll add some new writers too.

[William C. Maune]

I'm not sure we will see any more Greg Weisman episodes. He was put in charge of W.I.T.C.H. Season Two and I think that is keeping him pretty busy.

[paulie]

Pualie that is not Scarecrow but a cheap imatation thanks to the fact that he is off limits until after Batman Begins airs. He does look like a doll but it fits this villain's name ragdoll.
Oops, my mistake, thanks for clearing that up! It all makes so much more sense now...

[fatboy]

And where have you heard this from?

From people who worked on it. I think I wrote that in my first post.


If you are talking about Steven Blum and Wendee Lee, 10% of the dub anime released in the U.S. have those two in them... Of course they have gone to other projects for the time being... :sweat:

When I said "staff" I was refering to storyboard artist, designers, ect., not the voice talent. Most voice actors work on many shows at the same time.

[All-Star 1.5]

I'm not sure we will see any more Greg Weisman episodes. He was put in charge of W.I.T.C.H. Season Two and I think that is keeping him pretty busy.
From what I understood he wrote a few more then just three episodes for the series. And seeing as how he was just put in charge of W.I.T.C.H and the crew is most likely working on season 4 now then it's possible that he wrote a few episodes for season 2 and 3.

And exactly what are the descriptions for the new villians I can't exactly read them.


On a unrelated note I hear the second season starts March 12 this Saturday over Canada while we in the U.S still haven't gotten the first season finale does anyone know when it will air over air?

[Paul_Cousins]

1. From people who worked on it. I think I wrote that in my first post.

2. When I said "staff" I was refering to storyboard artist, designers, ect., not the voice talent. Most voice actors work on many shows at the same time.1. From where did you here it and when. Being vague only makes you look foolish and your statement only being chalked up to just a rumor.

2. You missed the humor in my statement. :sweat:

Now back on topic, it is not the character designs in "The Batman" that worry me, it's the character development (or lack there of). Character development is one of the main reasons that makes the DCAU so good. :cool:

[Duke]

1. From where did you here it and when. Being vague only makes you look foolish and your statement only being chalked up to just a rumor.It was revealed weeks ago. I think there's a thread about it somewhere around here.

EDIT: Found it. (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=1735)

[Paul_Cousins]

It was revealed weeks ago. I think there's a thread about it somewhere around here.I have been surfing TZ nearly every day for the last three months and I haven't heard one word about it.

The only thing close to that thread was the CN Series Renewal Line-up for the year and the reason Megas XLR was not announced can be chalked up to CN still thinking about it/negotiating it's contract.

Now can we please get back on topic. :sweat:

[Killtacular]

I have been surfing TZ nearly every day for the last three months and I haven't heard one word about it.
What makes you think he read about their comments here? There are other forms of communication besides these boards. He talks to imply that he knows these people personally.

[Radical]

What Batman website that you got the pictures of the new villains from since I can't read the description on their pics.

[CookieS]

Actually, it will be airing at 8:30PM, not 7PM, unless there's been a weird change I haven't heard about.
Cartoon Network's "The Batman" website says 7 PM.

[Killtacular]

Cartoon Network's "The Batman" website says 7 PM.
And the front page of CartoonNetwork.com says 9 PM. Seems CN cannot decide on a time to show it.

[William C. Maune]

Cartoon Network's "The Batman" website says 7 PM.

Although the CartoonNetwork.com main page says 9 PM and the schedule Toon Zone received says 8:30 PM.

Edit: Wilsowned.

[Batman91]

Ive seen the show on Kids WB and I like the way it looks and the plots.Batman the Animated Series in the early ninties was better but,I think you guys should give it time to develop.This Batman isn't as interesting or satisfying as Batman the Animated Series but,its still a good show.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Honestly I think I am more intersted in where it's going to air (with 3 possiblities mentioned) then I ever was in seeing the show.

[hobbyfan]

Did uh.. TZ ever show the pictures of Solomon Grundy and Ragdoll and Spellbinder? Grundy looks like he auditioned to be in the House of the Dead video games..

http://img15.exs.cx/img15/585/grundy3ww.png

The Grundy we've seen on Justice League (inc. Unlimited) looks better than this. Much better. This is the worst interpretation of Grundy ever!!:(

http://img184.exs.cx/img184/1273/croc1zn.png
Well, he looks better than the TNBA version.

I prefer the version in the comics.

http://img184.exs.cx/img184/5608/spellbinder5nj.png
Uhhhhh..

I second that emotion.

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/4844/hugostrange8uy.png

Looks like the Atkins diet is working.

Oh, for cryin' out loud! I can picture John Rhys-Davies doing the voice for this loser. (FWIW, Rhys-Davies played Kingpin in the Trial of the Incredible Hulk) This is what you get when you bring Jeff Matsuda over from Sony (Jackie Chan Advs.).

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/6040/ragdoll0ol.png
Hey, it's Scarecrow! wait no it isn't

The confusion's understandable. There was a Ragdoll in the comics, and he was double-jointed. That Ragdoll, though, was more of a corrupted Raggedy Andy.

No pictures of Batgirl or Commissioner Gordon or Ivy, though.
Let's establish that the series is set before Jim Gordon became commissioner. I've heard about Batgirl debuting in season 2. Is it Barbara, or are they creating a whole new character?

[Fatneck]

Let's establish that the series is set before Jim Gordon became commissioner. I've heard about Batgirl debuting in season 2. Is it Barbara, or are they creating a whole new character? I'm betting that they'll go with the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. I could easily see her in this show.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I'm betting that they'll go with the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. I could easily see her in this show.
Oh man, that would SO make up for these lame designs. Seriously, a nicely designed Cassie would make me blind to everyone else.

As for those we've seen, hate Grundy. I'll probably get used to Strange, and Kroc isn't bad (not after we've seen Bane anyway).

I kinda like the fact that they're using obscure villains, like Rag Doll. I've heard of him, but in all my years of reading comics and watching DCAU shows I haven't seen him do anything useful/memorable/cool. Maybe this'll help his rep.

[Killtacular]

April grids came out. The Batman is scheduled for 8:30 PM according to Adlink, and JLU is reruns, as I was saying would be the case. But it looks like new episodes of JLU are ready to kick in in MAY, and the next section of Teen Titans looks to start around the same time as well.

[Toddman]

I kinda like the fact that they're using obscure villains, like Rag Doll. I've heard of him, but in all my years of reading comics and watching DCAU shows I haven't seen him do anything useful/memorable/cool. Maybe this'll help his rep.Ragdoll has actually been treated pretty well in the comics. He was a Golden Age Flash villain originally. I first discovered him in an issue from the original Justice League of America comic book series from the early 80's. He was a member of the Secret Society in that story, and as someone posted earlier, he's a triple-jointed contortionist.

He was brought back to the spotlight during James Robinson's outstanding run on the Starman comic book series from the 90's as a serial killer from the past with a pop-icon/cult following.

And just to clear up some of the origins of the other villains...

Someone already pointed out that Spellbinder was an obscure Batman villain from the comics before he was totally re-vamped for Batman Beyond.

Solomon Grundy was originally a Golden Age Green Lantern villain from the 1940's, and in the modern era has been a regular foe of the JSA, Infinity Inc., and Batman. In those early stories from the 40's, Grundy was pretty tall, but was usually drawn with a lumbering, lanky design compared to the more popular Hulk-like look that is associated with the character now. So I think The Batman design is real return to his roots.


Toddman

[creativerealms]

As long as the rest of Wiesman's episodes are like the Clay face episodes and not the horrible freeze episode I will be fine with it.

[Karkull]

J'accuse!!! So, that's why Solomon Grundy was killed off!

[Harley_Quinn]

Killer Kroc isn't bad but the rest are just the same crappiness that this show has shown me over and over again.

[Simpler Simon]

J'accuse!!! So, that's why Solomon Grundy was killed off!
See, thats how rumours get started...

I like em. Killer Croc is pretty much like the beastly incarnation he is in the comics today, and you really can't alter Hugo Strange too much. I'm waiting to see how Grundy will be played stength-wise, since he's obviously no match for superman now.

And Rag Doll....? Talk about obscure...

[Karkull]

See, thats how rumours get started...
Hey, if the shoe fits...

[Style]

I feel ignored and sad now...:crying:

I was the first one to float the "Grundy's out of JLU becasue of The Batman" theory way back in post 21 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1654367), but no one listens until Karkull mentions it.:(

Anyway, what about my other question: Wasn't Grundy a Flash villain? If so, why is he on a Batman exclusive show?

...Now that I think about it, Grundy's bio on the first Superfriends single disc release mentioned he was a Batman villain, I just never believed it...

[krazymed]

I was the first one to float the "Grundy's out of JLU becasue of The Batman" theory way back in post 21 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1654367), but no one listens until Karkull mentions it.:(
The unwritten rule of private message boards: it doesn't mean anything until a moderator says it.

[Stu]

Well, I sincerley doubt Grundy is out because of the Bat-Embargo, seeing as how he first appeared in Justice League, not Batman. The fact Batman wasn't even in Grundy's last 2 appearances more or less confirms this. Plus, we don't need Grundy back. He's dead in DCU, leave it at that.

Seems like people will blame The Batman for anything these days...

[William C. Maune]

What he said. Grundy has already been used quite a bit in JL/U, his story has been told. There are plenty of villains out there, including many interesting ones that have received less focus than Grundy so far in JL/U. Even if Grundy is off limits now due to The Batman, JL/U doesn't really need Grundy any more anyway.

[Karkull]

The unwritten rule of private message boards: it doesn't mean anything until a moderator says it.;)


Well, I sincerley doubt Grundy is out because of the Bat-Embargo, seeing as how he first appeared in Justice League, not Batman. The fact Batman wasn't even in Grundy's last 2 appearances more or less confirms this. Plus, we don't need Grundy back. He's dead in DCU, leave it at that.

Seems like people will blame The Batman for anything these days...So, why again are we not getting a second Hugo Strange appearance on Justice League Unlimited?

And, for the record, Grundy started out as a Green Lantern villain (Golden Age / Alan Scott), but has been sort of adopted by the Bat-camp in recent years. It might have to do with both Bats and the Golden Age Lantern both being from Gotham City.

[Stu]

;)

So, why again are we not getting a second Hugo Strange appearance on Justice League Unlimited?

Because he's being used on The Batman. Happy? They have Bat villiain priorities now. My point was, in DCU continuity, he's not a Batman villain. He's a JL villain, so I doubt he'd be under the embargo. Not that we need to see him again anyway. Being that he's died. Twice. His story is over.

[Joker1238]

He is a zombie, Zombies dont die, I can see other storys with him.

Now that being sad, Is he a great villian like Darkside, Joker or LEx?? He does not break my top ten villian list.

[Master Moron]

He is a zombie, Zombies dont die, I can see other storys with him.

Now that being sad, Is he a great villian like Darkside, Joker or LEx?? He does not break my top ten villian list.

Actually, I think Grundy is my favorite villain. Not for any particular reason, I just like the idea of a zombie. I mean, Grundy's definitely a better villain than say...Copperhead, or Toyman, or Weather Wizard.

[Bird Boy]

The unwritten rule of private message boards: it doesn't mean anything until a moderator says it.

That's bull! I've been ignored so many times... :crying:


Because he's being used on The Batman. Happy? They have Bat villiain priorities now. My point was, in DCU continuity, he's not a Batman villain. He's a JL villain, so I doubt he'd be under the embargo. Not that we need to see him again anyway. Being that he's died. Twice. His story is over.

Erm...he said Hugo Strange, not Grundy. Unless Strange's appeared more times in DCAU than I remember...

-BB

[shany94a]

I'm still waiting for the final two Clayface episodes of The Batman's first season - February's two new eps were a tease!

I hope WB isn't waiting for May sweeps - is it?

[Yarharhar]

That's bull! I've been ignored so many times... :crying:
People aren't ignoring you! They just can't reply because you've closed their thread. :D

[Casey Mack]

That's bull! I've been ignored so many times... :crying:



Erm...he said Hugo Strange, not Grundy. Unless Strange's appeared more times in DCAU than I remember...

-BB
Yo Big Guy lets get this train back on the tracks, and not on The "Justice League". "The Batman" is haveing ths same problems Justice League season 1 had which is pore writing. Now don't expect The Batman to have witty writing its only a KIDS SHOW and thats all it is. The Batman is meant for this generations young kids not teenagers, or Adutls that won't let go. So dun be to hard on "the Batman" the ratings for the show are very good.
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[Toddman]

I feel ignored and sad now...

I was the first one to float the "Grundy's out of JLU becasue of The Batman" theory way back in post 21 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1654367), but no one listens until Karkull mentions it.:(

Anyway, what about my other question: Wasn't Grundy a Flash villain? If so, why is he on a Batman exclusive show?
You feel ignored and sad? I already answered the Grundy question back in post 55, and YOU ignored ME :crying: !!!



Solomon Grundy was originally a Golden Age Green Lantern villain from the 1940's, and in the modern era has been a regular foe of the JSA, Infinity Inc., and Batman. In those early stories from the 40's, Grundy was pretty tall, but was usually drawn with a lumbering, lanky design compared to the more popular Hulk-like look that is associated with the character now. So I think The Batman design is a real return to his roots.


Toddman
And, for the record, Grundy started out as a Green Lantern villain (Golden Age / Alan Scott), but has been sort of adopted by the Bat-camp in recent years. It might have to do with both Bats and the Golden Age Lantern both being from Gotham City.Hrmph. I guess the moderators ARE the only ones who people listen to around here.

(Hey, where's the bitterness emoticon???)


T:mad:ddman

[Style]

You feel ignored and sad? I already answered the Grundy question back in post 55, and YOU ignored ME :crying: !!! Hmm... I'm trying to figure out how I missed that... Oh, well, Mesa Sorry!


Hrmph. I guess the moderators ARE the only ones who people listen to around here.

(Hey, where's the bitterness emoticon???)


T:mad:ddman All right, there's been a lot of ignoring and sadness occuring on all sides. I think it's best if we all agree to stop ignoring each other. All of us have to fully and completely read each post in a thread before posting.

*Crickets Chirp*

Fine, then we all have to agree to stop complaining about it. I know, I started it, but I am including myself. So... no more complaining about being ignored, starting.....(Why don't people listen too me?:sad: )....NOW!

[Bird Boy]

People aren't ignoring you! They just can't reply because you've closed their thread. :D

:zim:


Yo Big Guy lets get this train back on the tracks, and not on The "Justice League". "The Batman" is haveing ths same problems Justice League season 1 had which is pore writing. Now don't expect The Batman to have witty writing its only a KIDS SHOW and thats all it is. The Batman is meant for this generations young kids not teenagers, or Adutls that won't let go. So dun be to hard on "the Batman" the ratings for the show are very good.

Uhh...what are you talking about. I never said anything negative toward the show in this thread...or mentioned Justice League.

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[RAINMAN]

I always saw grundy as a JL villain. Seeing him as a bats or flash villain is just not right. Does this mean that any DC viallin that fought batman can be pick up by the batman crew?:sad:

[Karkull]

That's my guess. Rag Doll was never a Batman villain and he's been snatched up.

Right now it looks like the only Bat-villains that haven't been claimed yet are Harley Quinn and the Mad Hatter. Harley probably won't show up again without Mr. J on Unlimited, and the Hatter has probably been retired entriely (from the DCAU and The Batman) because of Roddy McDowell's passing.

[Simpler Simon]

and the Hatter has probably been retired entriely (from the DCAU and The Batman) because of Roddy McDowell's passing. Why would he be retired from The Batman?

EDIT: Did I miss something? Has Two-Face been accounted for in The Batman?

[Karkull]

Why would he be retired from The Batman?
What I'm saying is that he may not be used out of respect. Or maybe he's not much of a physical combatant for a Batman show where the Penguin can fight (come to think of it, he looks a little Hatterish). Or maybe Spellbinder and Hugo Strange adequately fill the "mind-controling villain" slot. All I'm saying is that it's unlikely that the Mad Hatter will appear.

As for Two-Face, I think Harvey Dent's in the movie.

[Simpler Simon]

What I'm saying is that he may not be used out of respect. Or maybe he's not much of a physical combatant for a Batman show where the Penguin can fight (come to think of it, he looks a little Hatterish). Or maybe Spellbinder and Hugo Strange adequately fill the "mind-controling villain" slot. All I'm saying is that it's unlikely that the Mad Hatter will appear.

As for Two-Face, I think Harvey Dent's in the movie.
I can understand Timm and co. not using Hatter again, should the embargo be lifted, but I don't see a reason why The Batman should feel the same way. It's been about 7 years or so since Mr. McDowell passed away, and the Mad Hatter was not a character he introduced or created (unlike Egghead from the 60's series).

Though I agree with you on how The Batman is pulling out ample mind-control villain this coming season, so Hatter might be redundant.

[RAINMAN]

That's my guess. Rag Doll was never a Batman villain and he's been snatched up.

Right now it looks like the only Bat-villains that haven't been claimed yet are Harley Quinn and the Mad Hatter. Harley probably won't show up again without Mr. J on Unlimited, and the Hatter has probably been retired entriely (from the DCAU and The Batman) because of Roddy McDowell's passing.



I realy don`t understadn this offlimit or apargemnt thingly? Why can`t they just share? And who rag doll?

[TimTwoFace]

I can understand Timm and co. not using Hatter again, should the embargo be lifted, but I don't see a reason why The Batman should feel the same way. It's been about 7 years or so since Mr. McDowell passed away, and the Mad Hatter was not a character he introduced or created (unlike Egghead from the 60's series).

Though I agree with you on how The Batman is pulling out ample mind-control villain this coming season, so Hatter might be redundant.
I hope that McDowell's passing has nothing to do with any further Mad Hatter embargoes. I understood that it would be difficult to recast the character for the original series, but to wipe him out entirely just because his voice actor passed on - I think that's a little ludicrous.

As for the redundant mind-control thing - that would be true, but who's stopping the writers of THE BATMAN to eliminate that aspect of his personality, anyway? He could be used simply as a Lewis Carrol nut...it would lose a lot of his personality but this is THE BATMAN we're talking about.

Also, as for the unaccounted villains - Two-Face hasn't been given the go-ahead yet, but he's not even confirmed to be in BATMAN BEGINS. As far as I know, he's getting a passing mention, but nothing more than that...yet.

So that means the only other unused villains as yet are Harley, Mad Hatter, Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul, Talia, and, if you want to go with more BTAS-original villains, Lock-Up, Calendar Girl, Roxy Rockett, and Baby-Doll.

-Tim