Save Enterprise group gets $3 million dollar donation!

[DR.MID-NITE]

Its official. www.trekbbs.com (http://www.trekbbs.com) has the info from Trek United. Which has been fundraising for a 5th season of Trek.


Okay guys here's what you've been waiting for so long... as some have assumed, we got the deal worked out and this is the official press release http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


TrekUnited.com today announced that three anonymous contributors have stepped forward with a $3 million pledge toward the campaign to ensure a fifth season for the recently cancelled Star Trek: Enterprise.

Paramount Network Television and the United Paramount Network (UPN) jointly announced on Feb. 3 that this would be the last season of Enterprise on UPN. Fans pooled their skills, time and finances to form TrekUnited.com in an effort to fight the decision by raising money themselves to pay for a fifth season of the on-going space adventure.

The benefactors also added a statement explaining why they believe this campaign deserves such a substantial contribution:

"We think Star Trek and especially its latest incarnation, "Enterprise" is the kind of TV that should be aired more often. The people responsible at Paramount think this is just a show and we want to tell them, it is not. We are in the commercial space flight industry and would like to testify that at least one out of two of all the actual entrepreneurs involved in this industry has been inspired by Star Trek; and we are not only good at watching TV sci-fi , we are also good at writing checks, big checks. The people airing this kind of TV have a responsibility; inspiration. Star Trek has inspired us, and particularly Enterprise, with its superb theme song that tells so much about our struggle to move space travel forward and closer to the public, this inspiration is so self evident, that Virgin Galactic has ordered a 5-sub orbital ship fleet from Scaled Composites, a 100 million dollar investment, and the first one being built is going to be christened ‘VSS Enterprise.’ Now doesn’t that ring a bell in Paramount’s ears? Now, canceling the series so bluntly, for the sake of just ratings, tells very much about the kind of thinking going on inside Paramount. If we thought the same way, Paul Allen would have never funded the SpaceShipOne program. Sir Richard Branson would never have funded Virgin Galactic and Space Adventures would never have put two space tourists aboard the International Space Station. Instead, we would all be at home watching Survivor or some other reality TV show. Enterprise needs to be renewed, for the sake of fan loyalty, for being quality TV, for bringing imagination and hope for a better future to our homes, but over all that, for inspiring us so strongly that we have fought all our adult lives to bring that future closer to our children and to us."

TrekUnited Director Tim Brazeal also stated contributions like this one brings the campaign much closer to its goal. "We are overwhelmed at the generosity of these fellow Star Trek fans," Brazeal said. "We believe that Enterprise deserves a future. With contributions like the one from these generous individuals and those of millions of other Star Trek fans worldwide, we will succeed."

Under the terms of the TrekUnited charter, the campaign will be able to give the money to anything that will guarantee a fifth season of Star Trek: Enterprise.



We'd like to apologize for not being able to go ahead as planned right now due to a hack attempt at our server.

[Fone Bone]

I've said it before: I like Enterprise as much as the next geek but damned if I'm going to pay for it.

[DR.MID-NITE]

Fone,

You pay $15 for a cd of music or a movie on dvd.

[Lenonn]

Really, all TrekUnited is asking is $20 if you currently watch the show. It's not all that much.

[SilverKnight]

Several thoughts.

Three people who'd be willing to fork over three million dollars? I wonder who they might be. Obviously, they have money to spare; maybe celebs that like the show, or even people that work on the show that are trying to keep their meal ticket from going down the crapper?
Three million dollars?
I appreciate these guys' zeal, and Enterprise is better than most shows on television, but I still really wouldn't call it quality.
Three millions dollars??
If these guys are good at writing checks, big checks, why the hell did they plunk down three million dollars? I don't know much about producing a TV show, but I'm going under the assumption that it takes more than three mil to produce a season's worth of episodes. The writers, actors, and other various people working behind the scenes have gotta eat, too.
Three million freaking dollars??
Honorable as their intentions are, Paramount was in the right, if you want to get to the nitty gritty of it. Now, blame whoever you want about why it was underperforming, but the fact of the matter is, it was, and it was most likely losing Paramount money. It's common business sense to cancel something that isn't profiting them; no matter how crappy it may seem. Cold, sucky comfort, but there ya go. Besides, it could be worse. Enterprise could've been on FOX.
Oh, and by the way: Three. Million. Dollars. What the hell.

Okay, I'm done now.

[Peter Paltridge]

Ya know those rich spoiled teenage brats you see channels like MTV do documentaries on? I'm assuming three of them really like Star Trek.

[Robin2099]

Best of luck with that, Saveangel.org got around a million dollars to try and get Angel a sixth season and that did nothing. Ultimately UPN will just view Enterprise as a show to cancel since they've been thinking about doing it for several seasons.

[randomguy]

Oh, and by the way: Three. Million. Dollars. What the hell.
Indeed. I know what it's like to see a TV show you love go off the air, so I'm sympathetic to their plight. Still, I can't help but find an offer like that to be somewhat absurd.

For one thing, they're incorrect in their belief that Paramount has somehow erred on a moral level by cancelling Enterprise. It's great if TV inspires and encourages as it garners ratings, but that's a secondary purpose. Ultimately, these decisions have to be made on the basis of profitability. Paramount has no obligation to lose money on a show, even if it's one that inspires a (fairly small) group of viewers.

For another thing, going by the benefactors' statement, a big part of their motivation behind wanting to fund Enterprise is because it resonates with their own belief in the value of space travel. If that's the case, wouldn't it make more sense to spend that money investing in actual space travel ventures, such as the numerous private operations being done in the field currently? Or to give that money away as scholarships for prospective students in fields like astronomy, engineering, physics, etc.? Or, heck, just donate it to NASA? I mean, if they're writing these checks off with the underlying goal of encouraging the expansion of space travel (which is a perfectly respectable goal for any philanthropist), couldn't they do it more directly than by partially funding Enterprise?

[PaQ]

It'd be nice to see if all this effort pays off in some way. It's great that the fans are so motivated, this last season of Enterprise has been so good, I'd hate to see it end.

[Ben]

Are these guys for real? Berman and Braga need to be killed (or at least fired) before I start watching Enterprise again, not to mention paying for it to stay on the air. Why would I (or any Trek fan) want to subsidize the bastardization of the franchise?

What should happen:
1. Cancel Enterprise (mercy killing), then pretend it never happened for purposes of continuity. Send in the Orwellian past-rewriters and try to convince people it never existed. Kinda like the Star Wars Christmas Special. Then set about saving the franchise...
2. Make a Star Trek anthology program with a different cast/story every episode a la Twlight Zone. Limit it to five, six episodes a season tops to ensure quality. Replace Berman and Braga with competent outside exec producers. Get actual writers (Orson Scott Card, Neil Gaiman, hell, have Peter David adapt one of his books) to do the teleplays-- I'm sure there are lots of them who'd love to write a Trek special if there were no strings attached.
3. Get directors who would only stunt cast if the part called for it. The Trek name is already established and big names break the illusion.
4. Run them as "special television events." That way the hardcore base shows up, casual fans make it appointment viewing, and if you play your cards right some of the general public even tunes in too.

[James]

"We think Star Trek and especially its latest incarnation, "Enterprise" is the kind of TV that should be aired more often. Good lord, what a horrible thought.



The people responsible at Paramount think this is just a show and we want to tell them, it is not.
That's so bloody presumptious. That is precisely what it is. I love Babylon 5, Homicide: Life On The Street, Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who... all of them ARE shows, that is ALL they are - don't try and make something into what it isn't just to support your argument.



We are in the commercial space flight industry and would like to testify that at least one out of two of all the actual entrepreneurs involved in this industry has been inspired by Star Trek; and we are not only good at watching TV sci-fi , we are also good at writing checks, big checks. And what of the people who have been inspired into medicine by Scrubs? Or those who went into science through Doctor Who? For those who went into animation because of the Simpsons? Does it still justify their show over all others? When all is said and done, Star Trek was taking a break. How about those who were inspired into science or were just influenced by Sam Beckett into being a nice person through Quantum Leap? You can say goodbye to them getting Bakula back now.

We ALL know it would be back - it wasn't as if it was dead forever. This is such a weak excuse...



...and we are not only good at watching TV sci-fi , we are also good at writing checks, big checks. ... and this is the REAL excuse. They don't want it to go, they can afford to essentially BRIBE the network for a new show. Let's face it, this isn't showing a large fan following totally millions, this is a load of fan contribution then just 3 people BUYING their show back because they can. What angers me is they are so pleased with themselves for having such power.


The people airing this kind of TV have a responsibility; inspiration. Star Trek has inspired us, and particularly Enterprise, with its superb theme song that tells so much about our struggle to move space travel forward and closer to the public, this inspiration is so self evident, that Virgin Galactic has ordered a 5-sub orbital ship fleet from Scaled Composites, a 100 million dollar investment, and the first one being built is going to be christened ‘VSS Enterprise.’ Now doesn’t that ring a bell in Paramount’s ears? No, viewing figures, and audience appreciate rings bells in Paramounts ears. The VSS Enterprise is probably far more likely to be the thanks of TNG and TOS than this show. Yes these bribing scientists may have been inspired by Trek - but it will have most likely been TNG or TOS not Enterprise considering the show is only 5 years old, so again, they are using older, quality Trek to support their tantrum for losing one which isn't as popular.



Now, canceling the series so bluntly, for the sake of just ratings, tells very much about the kind of thinking going on inside Paramount. Yeah - that's what ALL shows deal with. Deal with it.


If we thought the same way, Paul Allen would have never funded the SpaceShipOne program. Sir Richard Branson would never have funded Virgin Galactic and Space Adventures would never have put two space tourists aboard the International Space Station. Good lord - this isn't science! It's a TV show made for mainstream audiences to watch while they eat their meals - it's not their to push the boundaries of science!


Instead, we would all be at home watching Survivor or some other reality TV show. Enterprise needs to be renewed, for the sake of fan loyalty, for being quality TV, for bringing imagination and hope for a better future to our homes, but over all that, for inspiring us so strongly that we have fought all our adult lives to bring that future closer to our children and to us." Same argument could have been made for ANGEL. It's not about science and all that bilge, it's about quality TV. Angel was a good program.. it had many people making it's donation and not just a large lump from THREE people. Hardly representative. Now even if you think Trek is STILL good, it's been going almost constantly from 1987.... so that's A LONG time... it needs a break.. maybe some people want to see some QUALITY.. and also Trek get rapped on the knuckles for being so LAZY in their last incarnations. What message has this given to Paramount? That the show needs to be on because of the gift it is to science? Or that people are willing pay lots of money for a silly TV show?

I know it's just one more season, but it's not deserved and the arrogance and power wielded by these three idiots who are dressing up mutton as lamb is just infuriating. It's a TV show - it's not science and it's no more inspirational to kids to go into certain work fields than any other genre is there to do the same. Get off your high horses.

I hope, now more than ever, that TREK dies if this sort of fan is the result of it's conception. I used to love the show, but now the thought of it, and how even it's fans can't let it rest for even a few years makes me angry. Almost 15 or so years of syndication plus the movies, plus the TOS, plus the animated series, plus Enterprise and some people are making out as if they've lost a precious baby which has had no time to evolve. Enterprise had 4 years, and at this rate, Paramount will be making bad Trek until everyone is so sick of it, it won't get a couple of years break, it will be buried with the soap operas... as that's what I have a feeling it will become.

[Fone Bone]

Good lord, what a horrible thought.

[/i] That's so bloody presumptious. That is precisely what it is. I love Babylon 5, Homicide: Life On The Street, Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who... all of them ARE shows, that is ALL they are - don't try and make something into what it isn't just to support your argument.

[/i] And what of the people who have been inspired into medicine by Scrubs? Or those who went into science through Doctor Who? For those who went into animation because of the Simpsons? Does it still justify their show over all others? When all is said and done, Star Trek was taking a break. How about those who were inspired into science or were just influenced by Sam Beckett into being a nice person through Quantum Leap? You can say goodbye to them getting Bakula back now.

We ALL know it would be back - it wasn't as if it was dead forever. This is such a weak excuse...

[/i] ... and this is the REAL excuse. They don't want it to go, they can afford to essentially BRIBE the network for a new show. Let's face it, this isn't showing a large fan following totally millions, this is a load of fan contribution then just 3 people BUYING their show back because they can. What angers me is they are so pleased with themselves for having such power.
[/i] No, viewing figures, and audience appreciate rings bells in Paramounts ears. The VSS Enterprise is probably far more likely to be the thanks of TNG and TOS than this show. Yes these bribing scientists may have been inspired by Trek - but it will have most likely been TNG or TOS not Enterprise considering the show is only 5 years old, so again, they are using older, quality Trek to support their tantrum for losing one which isn't as popular.


[/i] Yeah - that's what ALL shows deal with. Deal with it.

[/i] Good lord - this isn't science! It's a TV show made for mainstream audiences to watch while they eat their meals - it's not their to push the boundaries of science!

[/i] Same argument could have been made for ANGEL. It's not about science and all that bilge, it's about quality TV. Angel was a good program.. it had many people making it's donation and not just a large lump from THREE people. Hardly representative. Now even if you think Trek is STILL good, it's been going almost constantly from 1987.... so that's A LONG time... it needs a break.. maybe some people want to see some QUALITY.. and also Trek get rapped on the knuckles for being so LAZY in their last incarnations. What message has this given to Paramount? That the show needs to be on because of the gift it is to science? Or that people are willing pay lots of money for a silly TV show?

I know it's just one more season, but it's not deserved and the arrogance and power wielded by these three idiots who are dressing up mutton as lamb is just infuriating. It's a TV show - it's not science and it's no more inspirational to kids to go into certain work fields than any other genre is there to do the same. Get off your high horses.

I hope, now more than ever, that TREK dies if this sort of fan is the result of it's conception. I used to love the show, but now the thought of it, and how even it's fans can't let it rest for even a few years makes me angry. Almost 15 or so years of syndication plus the movies, plus the TOS, plus the animated series, plus Enterprise and some people are making out as if they've lost a precious baby which has had no time to evolve. Enterprise had 4 years, and at this rate, Paramount will be making bad Trek until everyone is so sick of it, it won't get a couple of years break, it will be buried with the soap operas... as that's what I have a feeling it will become.What happened to the million dollars Angel fans managed to raise?

And yeah, if these are the kind of Star Trek fans Enterprise is putting out maybe it's time to stop being a Trekkie.


Fone,

You pay $15 for a cd of music or a movie on dvd.

Which I am sure to get a return investment on. All of this raising money for Star Trek is purely speculative. It's pretty much a form of gambling. Besides it's one less $100 DVD set I have to be mad I can't afford. If Paramount REALLY wants people to support the show maybe they shouldn't make it so expensive to be a Trekkie.

[James]

Just for the record I'm not sure how much they raised for Angel. I based my comment on a previous post. A browse of www.saveangel.org brought no answer to me. Does anyone know out of interest what specific numbers we're talking about?

[William C. Maune]

Eh, what the benefactors wrote didn't sound all that bad to me. I've often read much much worse from fans of various things out there. I give them credit for trying to do something about the cancellation of the show they like instead of just making vitrolic complaints towards what/who may or may not be the reason for their shows cancellation.

[Matt-a-Tastic]

I'd love to say:

W:eek:W, but I can't since I've just found this out on BBC News LOL

Its pretty impressive, I think its good that these guys are trying to save this show by practicale methods, and not retarded internet petitons.

When did they start the fund raising?

Also, theres a very high chance that they won't manage it, as UPN say that they want 30 million dollars, there only a 10th of the way there

[James]

Also, theres a very high chance that they won't manage it, as UPN say that they want 30 million dollars, there only a 10th of the way there
I hope they don't. I get worried when rich people feel they can donate money to "buy" their favourite TV show back and dress it up as if it some way helps humanity.. (don't try and imply that Russell Watson's warbling ignites any passion aside from ramming a needle in the eye..).

If a huge amount of people make a group effort to bring back a show kicked before it's time, I admire that... there's less to admire when probably at least 3/4 of that fan fund raising comes from 3 people.. that just seems like back handing to me..

[Supremus]

I hope they don't. I get worried when rich people feel they can donate money to "buy" their favourite TV show back and dress it up as if it some way helps humanity.Yep, if you can afford to throw away 3 million, spend it on something that makes a real difference, rather than helping a sci-fi show overstay its welcome.

I know Trek fans are passionate people, but stop the insanity, and let the show go out with a bit of dignity.

[William C. Maune]

Yep, if you can afford to throw away 3 million, spend it on something that makes a real difference, rather than helping a sci-fi show overstay its welcome.

However, lots of people spend money on things they don't really need. On the continuum of "ways to blow 1 mil" (I'll assume 1 mil per each of the three people), I could think of a lot worse/more impractical things than trying to save your favorite show. It's not like most other folks who can afford to spend 1 mil on random things spend it on something that makes a real different either.

Plus, not everyone is in agreement that the show has overstayed its welcome. People may not have cared so much if this was last season, but due to the big upturn in quality this season, there are a lot of folks who want it to stay around. If the show is back up to a quality level then it isn't overstaying its welcome.

[James]

Plus, not everyone is in agreement that the show has overstayed its welcome. People may not have cared so much if this was last season, but due to the big upturn in quality this season, there are a lot of folks who want it to stay around. If the show is back up to a quality level then it isn't overstaying its welcome.
True, but how many other shows deserved the same with even MORE support? There seems to me a differnce between people pledging some money, fighting for a return and people just spending a large amounts because they can to get what they want. Dominate because you have cash. Maybe if they're statement wasn't so pious I might feel more sympathy, but it just reeks of tantrum and power.

I think for me, it's the franchise which has outstayed it's welcome, regardless of the seasons strengths. The franchise has dominated (in some cases, rumour has it Paramount's backing behind Trek would literally dominate and intimidate other rival shows) and it seems a rest would be good.

It just seems after almost 20 years of Trek, gluttonous to be pushing for more. Each trek till Enterprise has had 7 full seasons, so it's not like Trek fans have had their fair share - and that's ignoring movies.

It's sad that the show, which ended on a high note might be brought back by fans because they can't expect "All Good Things" to come to an end... to quote a relevant phrase. :p

After 20 years of domination, you'd think people would be willing for the franchise to have a rest.. maybe reinvent itself with a new production crew... just let it have a break.. it will come back regardless.. we know it will.. why not wait till it can come back and have full scifi fan support than prolong what to many Trek fans is an utter agony.... (I consider myself a Trek fan.. well, until they bludgeoned the franchise to melting point... to mix metaphors).

I appreciate that it is matter of opinion and in the end, it's not been confirmed either way, but it's just frustrating to see so much money squandered on a franchise which has had 20 GOOD years and then some. As a poor student, it makes me angry to see such a frivilous waste of money.

[William C. Maune]

True, but how many other shows deserved the same with even MORE support? There seems to me a differnce between people pledging some money, fighting for a return and people just spending a large amounts because they can to get what they want. Dominate because you have cash. Maybe if they're statement wasn't so pious I might feel more sympathy, but it just reeks of tantrum and power.

Whether other shows deserved the same or even more support is all very subjective. I don't think it could ever be determined that X shows deserves more support than Y show. Quality, etc. is all in the eye of the beholder. Some fans are going to think their show deserves more support, while other fans are going to think their other different show deserves more support. As for their dominating because they have cash, I'd agree with you if it was at the specific expense of something else, but I don't see it here. It's not like their 3 million puts other folks in a bad position. I still don't see their statement as being all that bad either and I especially don't see the tantrum and power. Overall it came across as their effort to try and do something good for their fandom. They come across as a little idealistic (the Star Trek as inspiration stuff), but I'm not sure that is that much of a bad thing. Their intentions seem good to me.


I think for me, it's the franchise which has outstayed it's welcome, regardless of the seasons strengths. The franchise has dominated (in some cases, rumour has it Paramount's backing behind Trek would literally dominate and intimidate other rival shows) and it seems a rest would be good.

Perhaps, if it was destroying rival shows, but I don't see it happening, especially with Enterprise in today's landscape. There are plenty of networks to pitch shows to, if Paramount has a profitable idea, I don't think they are going to squelch it for the sake of Enterprise. Both should be able to coexist.


After 20 years of domination, you'd think people would be willing for the franchise to have a rest.. maybe reinvent itself with a new production crew... just let it have a break.. it will come back regardless.. we know it will.. why not wait till it can come back and have full scifi fan support than prolong what to many Trek fans is an utter agony.... (I consider myself a Trek fan.. well, until they bludgeoned the franchise to melting point... to mix metaphors).

However, I don't think a rest, in and of itself, fixes anything. Just because time passes doesn't mean the same problems won't exist. The only thing that will change things is new folks at the helm, such as what started taking place this season. There are plenty of folks with great ideas out there right now. We don't have to wait X number of years for them to appear.

Edit: What would be interesting would be (assuming enough money was some how raised) if in exchange for the money being turned over to the studio, each fan who contributed was granted an interest in the series. In that case it is more of an investment/business deal and less just tossing money around.

[Lenonn]

Well, next season, Brannon Braga is working on his own, new, original television series, so he probably wouldn't be available.

As for Berman. Well, according to the source at TrekBBS known as Quills, if Berman would stop trying to write and focus more on production, and leave the writing to Coto, the Reeves-Stevenses and the others on staff, things would be good. And Coto has said that he's restart the open submission policy for fans and try to get other science fiction writers on board.

And, judging by the rumors about the season finale (I refuse to call it series finale), things aren't looking good and a new show might repair the season finale's damage.

[Supremus]

However, lots of people spend money on things they don't really need.There's a difference between buying a new pair of shoes you don't need and the grandiose gesture of throwing millions at a TV show. I am not against a little excess here and there if you can afford it, but this just stinks of ego and general Trek separation anxiety.


It's not like most other folks who can afford to spend 1 mil on random things spend it on something that makes a real different eitherDon't make me pull the old "if everybody else jumped off a bridge..." on you. Rappers living in castles with plasmas in the ceiling playing Scarface 24-7 is insane too.


Plus, not everyone is in agreement that the show has overstayed its welcome. People may not have cared so much if this was last season, but due to the big upturn in quality this season, there are a lot of folks who want it to stay around. If the show is back up to a quality level then it isn't overstaying its welcome.The recent jump in quality will make little or no difference to anyone other than the 7 trekkies still watching. People are just bored with Star Trek in general, and a recent better than average 3-parter, which was most likely just a fluke, doesn't seem like a good enough reason not to pull the plug. They've milked the cow dry, and the best thing to do is to put Trek on the shelf for 5-10 years and come back with something fresh and different.

[Beat]

I wish I had $3 million to spend on a show that I liked.

Seriously though. This goes beyond just liking a show. This is more along the lines of extremely frivolous spending. What happens when Enterprise fails to bring in viewers next season? Will they spend another $3 mil?

[William C. Maune]

Don't make me pull the old "if everybody else jumped off a bridge..." on you. Rappers living in castles with plasmas in the ceiling playing Scarface 24-7 is insane too.

While other folks also "jump off the bridge" people don't complain about them the same way folks are jumping on the Star Trek guys. At least here they are doing something for their fandom with their money as opposed to just doing something for themselves like in the example you give.


The recent jump in quality will make little or no difference to anyone other than the 7 trekkies still watching. People are just bored with Star Trek in general, and a recent better than average 3-parter, which was most likely just a fluke, doesn't seem like a good enough reason not to pull the plug. They've milked the cow dry, and the best thing to do is to put Trek on the shelf for 5-10 years and come back with something fresh and different.

There are plenty of fans still out there, including those who discuss the episodes on the forum each week. As for putting it on the shelf, I talked about that in my last post.

[Supremus]

While other folks also "jump off the bridge" people don't complain about them the same way folks are jumping on the Star Trek guys.It's kind of a moot point once they've jumped. :)


At least here they are doing something for their fandom with their money as opposed to just doing something for themselves like in the example you give.It's their money, and it's their decision what they do with it, of course, but that's not going to change my mind about how ridicilous it is.


There are plenty of fans still out there, including those who discuss the episodes on the forum each week."Plenty" is perhaps a strech, otherwise the show wouldn't be cancelled.


As for putting it on the shelf, I talked about that in my last post.I agree that putting it on the shelf isn't a solution in itself, but even if they came out with a great new Trek series tomorrow, it would still be a bit like getting a really nice piece of cake after having just eaten 20 bad or mediocre pieces. A long break is what's needed.

[DR.MID-NITE]

The following was just posted at the www.trekunited.com (http://www.trekunited.com) site:


I just wanted to personally let everyone know that we are in discussions with Paramount at this time. I cannot go into the slightest detail about anything at this point. We will continue to bring you updates on what is happening.

Just wanted to update you all.


Tim
At the Trek BBS site. A few people associated with TU have seemed very positive about what is being discussed. Supposedly, more will be revealed tomorrow.

[Artimus Gigan]

3 Million bucks?

You might as well build your own Enterprise....out of wood and paper mache, and then make the costumes...and then every weekend gather around and videotape your own episodes...and then go to Taiwan to blow the rest of your money on cheap booze, cheap hotels, and cheap women...

Really Enterprise was pretty much weak in storytelling when compared to other shows, I mean Stark Trek doesn't gaurentee quality, much like Gundam it really does need a rest. Yeah There are countless CSI clones on TV right now, is Enterprise better than them? Yeah. However is Enterprise better than GITS, FMA, or even a few others? No.

Also those Prototype Spaceships that many have built are pretty much along the lines of the first conceptual airplanes/helicopters/flying machines. Only they are much more expensive to build for so little flight time. So even if trek did inspire it's not like any of the actual technology can be intergrated to the extent that they want.

[David64]

Why can't Trekkies let the series die. It's time for a rest.

[Artimus Gigan]

Why can't Trekkies let the series die. It's time for a rest.
Because then their lives would be meaningless, seriously they have like umpteenth Trek books being released, you'd think they could take a page from Force Fans and use that to delve into the series

[Temple Fugate]

Because then their lives would be meaningless, seriously they have like umpteenth Trek books being released, you'd think they could take a page from Force Fans and use that to delve into the seriesAs much as I'd love to argue with that...you're pretty much right. I've been a Trek fan nearly all my life, but I know when enough is enough. I won't be contributing to this fan effort, that's for sure. It's one thing when fans unite for a show they believe in...it's another thing when they believe in the show for the wrong reasons. Enterprise doesn't have the same connotations TOS had back in the 60's. It's just another sci-fi show. A very entertaining one, I might add, but I see little similarity to the ideals upheld by Roddenberry's original. The new generation of Trek fans (including me) don't know what it's like to go a year or fifteen without new episodes. But it's certainly something I'm willing to live with. I've been watching since 1988. It's time for Trekkies to kick the habbit. ;)

[krazymed]

I'm just waiting for the fraud trial after the show is officially off-the-air and people start wondering where the three million dollars went...

[Matt-a-Tastic]

I agreee, 30 seaasons is enough for any series

[DR.MID-NITE]

I agreee, 30 seaasons is enough for any series
Unless, it was 30 seasons of Batman:Animated (The Timm version w/Kevin Conroy). :D

[Matt-a-Tastic]

Are you saying that there were 30 seasons of it or that there could/should of been?

[DR.MID-NITE]

I am not saying their should be 30 seasons of Enterprise.....Batman: Animated....well. ;)

If someone would have wanted to cancel Enterprise before season 4. I might not have been so against it. But, I am really enjoying this season.
I am just amazed at the negativity and outright nastiness regarding this attempt to save the show here and on other forums. If you don't like the show fine. But, their are lots of people who due. Some people have posted some of the meanest things. Nobody is taking money out of your pocket or forcing you to watch it. But, for what it costs me to buy a discounted dvd at Target. I take a chance and hope it works. If it does. Then it cost me $15 dollars for a season of a show. If it doesn't. I say we tried and my money is refunded.
How many other shows that you might love were canceled because of low ratings or because the executives of the studios didn't like them. I can give three examples of shows that were cancelled because an executive didn't like them...Special Unit 2, Now and Again (which did well in the ratings) and Miracles. And I am sure their are dozens of other.
All I am saying is that lots of people are saying things about Enterprise fans that wouldn't appreciate being called. How many people get crap from others for still watching cartoons or liking science fiction? I am married, don't live in my parents basement and have never worn a Star Trek uniform. But, I have never missed an episode or movie.

[livingfruitvirus]

Wow. $3 million? That'll pay for......what? 3/5 of an episode?

[DR.MID-NITE]

Wow. $3 million? That'll pay for......what? 3/5 of an episode?
Actually, a full season runs 30 million. So it would be 10% or 2 1/2 episodes. And they don't have to raise that. Just enough that Paramount makes some extra change.

[Fone Bone]

Here's a thought: Has anyone asked the actors on the show if they'd like it to come back? From what I've heard they've been displeased with the show for a while now and the recent upgrade in quality may be too little, too late. It would be kind of rude to try to get the show back on the air if the actors are looking forward to doing other projects. Besides I don't want Scott Bakula's role toned down in the proposed Quantum Leap relaunch.

[Ben]

Besides I don't want Scott Bakula's role toned down in the proposed Quantum Leap relaunch.

Isn't it just a TV movie at this point? It would be cool if out of the death of Enterprise we could get another QL series. It'd be two birds with one stone! :D

[Wounded_Dragon]

A few decades ago 3 people floating 3 million to try and get their show back on the air would be scrutinized heavily by anti-trust investigations (adjust the 3 million down for the time period).

[Matt-a-Tastic]

What will happen to the $3 dollars if they don't raise the $30? Will TrekUnited keep them, or will they somehow refund it?

Also, another thought occours, If Enterprise got cancelled due to bad ratings and it costs $30 million to make a series, then surely UPN must get at least some of that $30 million back.

[James]

What will happen to the $3 dollars if they don't raise the $30? Will TrekUnited keep them, or will they somehow refund it?

Also, another thought occours, If Enterprise got cancelled due to bad ratings and it costs $30 million to make a series, then surely UPN must get at least some of that $30 million back. I'm not sure what you mean, it's got a final full season, so there is no change to head back to UPN. If you are referring to another season, the money allotted is - as far as I'm aware (and kick me if I'm wrong) - budgeted per episode in a batches of around 13. Production very rarely spans 13 episodes at a time, back to back. It's doubtful than any new season would be cancelled after say 6 (although not unheard of). I any case, I don't think they just get lumped with 30 mill. They budget and get the 30 mill approved and then it's worked out by the episode (after long term costs have been paid for). So yeah, there may be a certain loss from the initial costs of running a season, but I guess they are negliable to paying out for the full budget as had been laid out before production began.

I don't think 3 million will change their mind in all honesty. What has swung the return of shows in the past has been numbers of people, not money. You make profit from a show being popular not been funded in some minor way through external sources. 3,4,5 million is negliable when it comes to how much money a scifi show costs - especially when it's compared to cheaper formats which bring in the same audiences. If the audience isn't there, then it's not worth the large outlay.

It's not a matter of money - they have the money, what they don't have is a certified audience and no amount of money thrown around by 3-4 rich people can make that.

[DR.MID-NITE]

If the show is not renewed the money is refunded.

[armerelhaV]

Here's a thought: Has anyone asked the actors on the show if they'd like it to come back? From what I've heard they've been displeased with the show for a while now and the recent upgrade in quality may be too little, too late. It would be kind of rude to try to get the show back on the air if the actors are looking forward to doing other projects.
That's exactly what I keep thinking when people try to "save" their favorite shows. What about the actors? They're people, too.

[Lord Dalek]

Rumor has it now that Spike may pick up Enterprise for season 5.

Shocked?

[Supremus]

Rumor has it now that Spike may pick up Enterprise for season 5.

Shocked?A little, considering that sounds like an old rumor that got shot down.

I say a compromise is in order. Take the 3 million, and whatever petty cash the network is prepared to kick in, produce a kick-ass mini-series wrapping it all up, and then let's call it a day.

[Casey Mack]

A little, considering that sounds like an old rumor that got shot down.

I say a compromise is in order. Take the 3 million, and whatever petty cash the network is prepared to kick in, produce a kick-ass mini-series wrapping it all up, and then let's call it a day.
the series finale is already 2 HOURS long anyways. But a min series would be cool it COULD be called

"ENTERPRISE: THE PEACEKEEPER WARS"!:D
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