C&C - Fullmetal Alchemist - "The Ishbal Massacre" [2/19]

[The Landstander]

oh no

[NickWhiz1]

Something tells me there's gonna be a helluva lot of flashbacks in this episode.

Also, from the preview, it looks like we'll get a battle between Scar and Mustang. That could be fun.

1000th post!

[kaine23]

Time to start breaking out the tissues...

[Youko Recca]

Really? I don't remember crying.

[WolfieKiwi]

*sigh* I'm always a fan of the minor characters (Scar)..
unless..he's a major..*praying*

In the name for the error of taping Flame vs Fullmetal I shall suceed in recording this ep..(or just buy the DVD)

yes, today I'm full of myself..:sweat:

[FlyByNite77]

"Oh this is perfect! Arm's falling off too!"haha

[NickWhiz1]

This show just keeps on getting better and better every week.

I must join the masses in kicking myself for not following the series when it aired in Japan.

[Juu-kuchi]

Big revelation episode. The drums that go "bum bum bum" continue to become louder as each episode is aired.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I got spoiled on Mustange being the one who killed Winry's parents, but I've remained spoiler free for most other things, thankfully. I deduced after last weeks episode that Scar was an Ishbalan, and that his brother was killed in the massacre. The scene between him and Ed was great, and the ending leaves a lot of questions open. I wonder who that other Alchemist in the flashbacks was.

[PearlRose86]

I found it kind of ... creepy? how Mustang and Marco were the two that killed Winry's parents. Extremely small world there.

The series keeps getting better and better.


-Maggie

[Juu-kuchi]

Pseudo-Middle Eastern ideology clash with Pseudo-Western hegemony.

Niiiiice.

[One Radical Dude]

It was an all right episode. It was definitely a creepy episode. I didn't expect Mustang and Marcoh to be responsible for the deaths of Winry's parents. I enjoyed the latter part of the episode (Al suffered a lot of damage, and Ed loses the metallic arm).

Rating: Borderline C+/B-

[JetMaster5]

I enjoyed Al punching Ed. Everything Al said to Ed was right. Al is the more mature of the Elric brothers and that scene showed it.

[Strollymonster]

Ishbal= Islam, or at least it's the comparison drawn.

Great episode, the series gets better by each episode. Mustang looked both humorous and torn apart by angst in the same episode, Al gets shattered, Horrendous Evil Flashback, MUSTANG KILLED WINRY'S 'RENTS?! , an explanation behind Ed's no-circle alchemy!

...sensory overload.

That's not even mentioning the Kenshin-esque fight debate over the reasons for Scar's killings...

Just a freakin' AWESOME episode.

[PaQ]

Oh man, this scene was a lot funnier this time around then seeing it subbed. When Hawkeye took out Roy's legs and explained to him how she saved his life, I literally chuckled. :p

[Happy]

I can't help but wonder who the forth alchemist in the flashbacks was.

[Freedom Fighter]

Scar continues on his crusade, Marcoh remembers the horrors of the famed "Ishbal Massacre" that he shared with Roy, Riza again stealing the spotlight by stopping Roy from making a fatal mistake, lots of brothery angst and caringness for each other - especially after Ed was willing to sacrifice his life to save Al's, not at first glance realizing the fallout from it, and... Roy was the one who killed Winry's parents?

There was a lot to absorb from the past and a good battle as the Elrics nearly paid for that information with their own lives. 8 out of 10 for this episode.

[Serena S.]

Scar is unstoppable with a deadly right hand.:eek: This episode was serious and funny. I felt sorry for Mustang and Marcoh; constantly have to be reminded of their past in that war.:( I even felt more sorry for Winry's parents; tryin' to help both the Alchemist and the civilians and had to end up losing both of their lives.:crying: Thankfully, her grandmother was still alive to take care of her.:) Ed speeches sometimes confuses me when he shouldn't be the main on talking but I understand him, well...a little bit.:sweat: When Al got blasted by Scar, I thought his armor was completely gone. I was trippin' when Al punched Ed, telling him that he shouldn't die without him and ect. and all of a sudden his arm fell off. He just started yellin' at Ed. I couldn't help but laugh.:sweat: I just wondering how is Ed and he are goin' to get their bodies fixed?:shrug: Well...this was a delightful episode to watch. I starting to like that endin' theme song. 5 out of 5.:D

[PickHut]

Pretty good episode with loads of plot development. Man, I know Scar was fast, but he could've at least gotten a couple of bullet wounds:sweat: . Also, I was surprised at Ed's quick recovery after Al punched him; that must've really hurt coming from him. There's also a ton of other stuff that happened that I......just don't feel like mentioning.:p

I give The Ishbal Massacre an A-.

[lostrune]

1. Heh, doesn't Ed have a rainjacket hood that he's not using? :shrug:

2. Lt. Mustang being stupid in the rain. Lucky for him Hawkeye was there. :D

3. Geez people: shoot first, ask questions later. Stop saying "freeze/halt" when you're gonna kill him anyways. :rolleyes:

4. Heh, at least Al retained some humor amidst their brush with death. :sweat:

5. So, it was Roy who executed the Dr. Rockbelles. :ack:
(And the nerve returning to their house.)

[LordTerminal]

I wonder who that other Alchemist in the flashbacks was. Maybe I'm mistaken, (since I've never seen the original FMA) But I think that was Zolf.

[Captain Zechs]

This show just keeps getting better and better. It never dissapoints me at all :).

That scar guy is weird, I mean the guy is a frikin hipocrit.

:mad: Mustang u killed her parents bad mustang bad.

I think her name is like Hawkeye...loved the quote "Stubborn Man" and she saves his life...he didn't even realize it was raining.

Question:Is she a alchemist? Is she a good alchemist?

Poor Chrystal Alchemist...

[Cyporiean]

5. So, it was Roy who executed the Dr. Rockbelles. :ack:
(And the nerve returning to their house.)
Prehaps he wished to pay respect to there graves?

Its not like he enjoyed killing them

[Lachesis]

3. Geez people: shoot first, ask questions later. Stop saying "freeze/halt" when you're gonna kill him anyways. :rolleyes:


Where's your sense of fair play? :P

And go Hawkeye.

[Zero Kagayaki]

the funny part when al hit ed. i like this series

[David Lucas]

Maybe I'm mistaken, (since I've never seen the original FMA) But I think that was Zolf.
Kimblee. He make people go boom

[TsuiTsui]

The final moments of this episode were pretty intense! My jaw was hanging wide open when Scar shattered Al's body and revealed the hidden ability of Ed's metal arm. And the story behind Mustang and Marcoh regarding Winry's parents ... ! :eek:

I was also cracking up when Hawkeye kicked Mustang down during the rain scene. :anime:

[Riza Hawkeye]

:mad: Mustang u killed her parents bad mustang bad. It wasn't very willingly though. He tried to kill himself afterwards (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap047.jpg).


I think her name is like Hawkeye...loved the quote "Stubborn Man" and she saves his life...he didn't even realize it was raining. This scene is one of my favorites in the entire series, maybe my favorite.

Roy gets serious (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap048.jpg)
Scar is always ready to fight a State Alchemist (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap050.jpg)
Fight start! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap051.jpg)
...Maybe not (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap052.jpg)
Riza puts Roy in his place 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap053.jpg)
Riza shows off her guns :D 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap054.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap055.jpg)
Riza puts Roy in his place 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap057.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap058.jpg)


Question:Is she a alchemist? Is she a good alchemist?
She is not. There are a lot of people on this show, but not everyone is an alchemist. Here's a little guide that may help:

Alchemist:
Roy Mustang (Flame Alchemist)
Edward Elric (Fullmetal Alchemist)
Alphonse Elric (no title, not State Alchemist)
Alex Louis Armstrong (Strong-Arm Alchemist)
Tim Marcoh (Crystal Alchemist)
Scar
Basque Grand (Iron-Blood Alchemist) - Dead

Not Alchemists:
Maes Hughes
Riza Hawkeye
Fuhrer King Bradrey
Jean Havok
Kain Fuery
Heymans Breda
Any of the sins

EDIT: I forgot to say this, but this is the most important episode thus far. So, I hope everyone paid very close attention to what was said in this episode, as well as what we saw happen.

[True Noir]

That's was another priceless scene.

Roy: That's no way to get promoted.
Riza: Relax. I just saved your life. Your flame attacks no use in the rain.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap058.jpg
There were a lot of surprising moments in "The Ishbal Massacre". Finding out more about Roy, the doctor, and even some of Winry's family's past. They really made every second worth watching. Also, I think that there was a lot fo character building between Ed and Al and individuals and as wholes. It was really courageous of Ed to ask Scar to take his life instead of Al's. Great scene there as well.

5/5

Extra:

I missed last week's episode so I wouldn't know, but that was a new ending? I liked it.

[Riza Hawkeye]

That's was another priceless scene.

Roy: That's no way to get promoted.
Riza: Relax. I just saved your life. Your flame attacks no use in the rain. I like what they said in the original a little better, though.

Roy: What are you doing all of a sudden?!
Riza: You're useless when it's raining, so please stay back, Colonel.


Extra:

I missed last week's episode so I wouldn't know, but that was a new ending? I liked it. Yep, the new ending started last week. It is my second favorite ending, only behind 'I Will'. What really sucks is that you can't hear the whole TV size version. I should also note that, the ending animation they show is toward the end of the song. In the original it starts with Winry and Den (her dog).

[True Noir]

I like what they said in the original a little better, though.

Roy: What are you doing all of a sudden?!
Riza: You're useless when it's raining, so please stay back, Colonel.
Haha, that's hilarious. :anime:


Yep, the new ending started last week. It is my second favorite ending, only behind 'I Will'. What really sucks is that you can't hear the whole TV size version. I should also note that, the ending animation they show is toward the end of the song. In the original it starts with Winry and Den (her dog).
I like Asian Kung-Fu Generation ending "Rewrite". This one is really cute too.

[Riza Hawkeye]

I like Asian Kung-Fu Generation ending "Rewrite". This one is really cute too.
'Rewrite' is the final opening, not ending. And for me, 'Rewrite' is my favorite FMA song overall.

[True Noir]

'Rewrite' is the final opening, not ending. And for me, 'Rewrite' is my favorite FMA song overall.
Really? I never got that far into the series. But yeah, then it's my favorite opening as well. I actuall have AKFG's cd with that song. It's pretty good.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Really? I never got that far into the series. But yeah, then it's my favorite opening as well. I actuall have AKFG's cd with that song. It's pretty good. Then you haven't heard, 'I Will' yet? It's too bad that when it does air, it will be a shortened version. I know we can't get the full version because of time constrants, but it would still be nice.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I just hope Ed and Al would be alright, they took quite a beating. I wonder what is going to happen to the doctor? :sweat:

[True Noir]

Then you haven't heard, 'I Will' yet? It's too bad that when it does air, it will be a shortened version. I know we can't get the full version because of time constrants, but it would still be nice.
No, i haven't. Who's it by?

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Then you haven't heard, 'I Will' yet? It's too bad that when it does air, it will be a shortened version. I know we can't get the full version because of time constrants, but it would still be nice.
How many episodes are there in Fullmetal Alchemist? How old is the series, since cartoon network started airing it a couple of months ago? Are DVD's will come out edited? :o I'm sorry I ask too many questions.

[Riza Hawkeye]

No, i haven't. Who's it by? Sowelu. I'm not sure what else she may have sung in the past, but I liked this song by her at least.


How many episodes are there in Fullmetal Alchemist? How old is the series, since cartoon network started airing it a couple of months ago? Are the DVD's coming out edited? :o I'm sorry if I ask too many questions. That's not too many questions. There are a total of 51 episodes. The series ran in Japan from 10-04-2003 to 10-02-2004. The DVD's are not edited, they contain everything as it originally aired in Japan. IE, the original first opening, 'Melissa', the Japanese logo for FMA where it should be, the full ending, etc.

[Master Moron]

So, how does Ed's arm enable him to use alchemy without a circle? The explanation went a little too fast for me.

[poncho]

So, how does Ed's arm enable him to use alchemy without a circle? The explanation went a little too fast for me. It wasn't a real explanation, just something along the lines of Ed being able to create the equivalent of an alchemic array by clapping his hands together and forming a sort of circle with his arms. It was only as much as Scar could deduce from watching him. The only important part is, of course, that Ed does need to clap his hands, and he can't do that with only one arm. ;)

[Tapout]

After that I hate the Ironblood Alchemest a lot less. He may be kind of a dick, but the whole massacre wasn't his idea and he was just trying to keep his men alive. He didn't seem to be enjoying it like that guy in the wifebeater was. Hopefully we find out what his deal is soon.

[JDNobodi]

I would like to know what will happen to Al now. The whole point for him not taking the exam was the top brass don't find that he is only a suit of armor. Is the State Alchemists going to confiscate him now?

[Cere]

I would like to know what will happen to Al now. The whole point for him not taking the exam was the top brass don't find that he is only a suit of armor. Is the State Alchemists going to confiscate him now?Well, the only people who saw him were underlings of Mustang and their friends, so I don't think Al's in too much trouble.

I like what they said in the original a little better, though.

Roy: What are you doing all of a sudden?!
Riza: You're useless when it's raining, so please stay back, Colonel.I love the way it was said in the original. Roy delivered that line perfectly.

[LordTerminal]

Kimblee. He make people go boom
Oh he goes by his last name? Because that's the guy I was talking about.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Oh he goes by his last name? Because that's the guy I was talking about. The only time the anime referred to him as Zolof Kimblee, was when Archer made a deal with him. Otherwise, he was only referred to as Kimblee. I know I always refer to him as Kimblee. It's easy for most people to not know his first name.

[Dark Soul]

This episode went deep into the Ishbal massacre. I am glad that bregedier general died. Scar does a dissapearing act, most of the villians when their defeated always have a dissapearing act. Ed and Al almost get killed and Al still has his humor.5/5

[ccwf]

Pseudo-Middle Eastern ideology clash with Pseudo-Western hegemony.

Niiiiice.
Ishbal= Islam, or at least it's the comparison drawn. I've seen many people make this analogy (and it seems reasonable). However, I've never seen anyone point out that Ishbal (various romanizations exist) is, I believe, Hebrew in origin, meaning “man of Baal”. It was the name of Saul's last son, who fought with David for seven years for dominion of Israel. From the Catholic Encyclopedia (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02175a.htm):
During the warlike reigns of Saul and David, the Israelites as a whole thought little of shaking Yahweh's yoke; such also was, apparently, the situation under Solomon's rule, although the example given by this prince must have told deplorably upon his subjects. After the division of his empire, the Northern Kingdom, first led by its rulers to an unlawful worship of Yahweh, sank speedily into the grossest Chanaanite superstitions. This was the more easy because certain customs, it seems, brought about confusion in the clouded minds of the uneducated portion of the people. Names like Esbaal (I Par., viii, 33; ix, 39), Meribbaal (I Par., viii, 34; ix, 40), Baaliada (I Par., xiv, 7), given by Saul, Johnathen, and David to their sons, suggest that Yahweh was possibly spoken of as Baal. The fact has been disputed; but the existence of such a name as Baalia ( i.e. "Yahweh is Baal", I Par., xii, 5) and the affirmation of Osee (ii, 16) are arguments that cannot be slighted. True, the word was used later on only in reference to idolatrous worship, and even deemed so obnoxious that bosheth, shame, was frequently substituted for it in compound proper names, thus giving, for instance, such inoffensive forms as Elioda (II Kings, v, 16), Yerubbesheth (II Kings, xi, 21, Hebr.)., Isboseth (II Kings, ii, 10) and elsewhere, Miphiboseth (II Kings, ix, 6; xxi, 8); but these corrections were due to a spirit which did not prevail until centuries after the age with which we shall presently deal.
Now, whether or not the unusual name is a coincidence…