I Suggest BirdBoy Grow a Sense of Humour

[efumf]

I know Batman49 spent literally hours taking screenshots for this thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=134121) and I'm beyong pissed that BirdBoy closed it. His reasoning? I said "Great Heras!"

Please.

This isn't the first time his overbearing "moderating" has irked me, the other day he saw fit to merge a thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=119710&page=6) (scroll to bottom) of mine with a huge (and old) review thread, and effectively kill it. There was no reason to merge those threads, and my request to him to de-merge it was ignored with no apology. In fact, I think he must have developed a grudge against me or something for daring to question the hand of BirdBoy, or perhaps his apparent complete lack of a sense of humour has overclouded his judgement.

I'm writing this thread not for me, but for all the people who put a lot of time into taking or finding screenshots that best depicted Bruce Timm's expertise at drawing females. There was no sane reason to close that thread, and I can't just stand by and watch this fascist behaviour go on.

If the thread isn't un-closed by another administrator, I don't think I want to post in such hostile, fascist surroundings where any hint of fun is declared illegal.

Thank you for your sanity in dealing with this.

[RD!]

I know Batman49 spent literally hours taking screenshots for this thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=134121) and I'm beyong pissed that BirdBoy closed it. His reasoning? I said "Great Heras!"Which is ironic when you know BirdBoy's real sense of humor...

[Bleu Unicorn]

Ok, my first thought on this is that the Feeback board isn't really the place you should bring this to first. Basically, you just flamed a member - and that's just rude. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding it.

Beyond that, you should be going to Bird Boy personally. Not spouting this on a public forum. That's rather disrespectful of your fellow TZer. Not to mention, you're pointing the finger at someone without giving him the chance for a rebuttal.

Ignoring the derogatory stuff you said, what really gets me is that you didn't just report what you felt was unfair behavior. There are TONS of other mods and admins here at TZ that you could have privately PMed or emailed or IMed to talk this through. Instead you're setting yourself up to be attacked more ferociously than you just attacked Bird Boy. And yeah, you attacked him, if only taking into account everything I just wrote above.

I'm not trying to get in the middle because goodness knows it's not a fun place to be. But posting something like this doesn't make Bird Boy look the worse, it makes you. You're coming off as immature and crude - and based on this post alone, if I'd just walked onto the boards today for the first time, I'd side with him.

[Borg4of3]

Fun is good. We have an entire Fun and Games forum that goes haywire with random insanity. However, that thread was only fun in a lustful, deviant sense. Sure its part of the geek tradition to oggle scantily clad females, but even nerds will agree there's something disturbing about it, especially in open public. You can try to say you were talking about Timm's art in the artistic sense, but just read the comments in there and its the type of thing that starts to border on a creepy, just as BB noted.

Anyway, all your pictures are still up there, all he did was halt the continuation of pubescent behavior on a family board.

[guinaevere]

First. Such complaints are not best handled publicly. Generally, it's MUCH better policy when one has issue with another's decisions, to discuss the disagreement privately. It's better netiquette, as it is in life.

One wouldn't expect to say outloud at work, "my boss has no sense of humor, he cut off funding for my project!" and expect the problem to be solved that way. If anything, the results would be a VERY irritated boss, and embarrased coworkers for having to listen to your inappropriate tirade.

Have a problem? Address the person you have the problem with out of the public eye. It won't always satiate the complainer, but it is the best manner of handling disagreements.


Second. I'm sure BirdBoy is more than able to answer for himself, but for what it's worth, you might want to remember that TZ is a PG-rated community. We have kids here as young as 13. The thread discussing bust lines and hinting at lesbianism was not doing so in a mature way, and was not PG material.

From reading the final post, I think if anything, BirdBoy was attempting to close the thread in a light-hearted manner, rather than making some of the posters feel too bad about crossing certain lines. So, I'd suggest the comment that BirdBoy is wanting in the humor department, is completely unfounded. Not to mention, it has nothing to do with his responsibilities here.

[efumf]

But see - you're judging me. Whether or not I find a drawing attractive is my business - we can even debate the artistic merit of it all if you want (providing they un-close my thread). But an admin shouldn't be able to close a thread because it doesn't interest him personally. That's not his job, his job is to uphold the board rules. The thread wasn't breaking any rules. Any advocate of free speech should be offended by this. :shrug:

And I thought this was the forum to complain about things like this, I come from IGN and we're encouraged to bring up these issues on IGN's version of this board - I looked around, but couldn't find any guidelines regarding complaints, but this board seemed to be the right place for this sort of thing.

Also, as I said - BirdBoy is ignoring me. And if he feels my thread was "morally degrading" or some such anti-democratic nonsense, then I don't see the point in arguing this with him. The way I see it, he's flaming me by constantly ruining every thread I make so I feel justified in defending myself with this thread.

If this is the kind of board where members don't get any say in things, and the admins can do whatever they want and ban anyone who questions their methods, then feel free to close this thread and you'll never hear from me again. I have no interest in wasting my time in a community like that.


EDIT:

TZ is a PG-rated community. We have kids here as young as 13. The thread discussing bust lines and hinting at lesbianism was not doing so in a mature way, and was not PG material. Those screens all came from a kids show on CN. If the show can get away with it without the FCC batting an eyelid, I don't see why images from that show can't be displayed on an internet message board without a self-rightious (as far as I can see, being new) admin deciding what the board members can and cannot see.

And there's nothing wrong with homosexuality, but I'll pretend you didn't just say that. I know how crazy you Americans are since Janet Jackson flashed some cleavage. :confused:

And yeah, I realise I'm being harsh on BB, but I put a lot of work into that thread. I still have another dozen screens I want to post. And as if it wasn't obvious, I'm not seriously turned on by cartoon characters. I just have a sense of humour :anime:

As for the thread not being "mature" - That's your personal opinion. Obviously no one in the thread agreed with you and admins shouldn't close threads based on personal feelings like that.

[Borg4of3]

And I thought this was the forum to complain about things like this, I come from IGN and we're encouraged to bring up these issues on IGN's version of this board - I looked around, but couldn't find any guidelines regarding complaints, but this board seemed to be the right place for this sort of thing. You have two avenues for complaints. One is reporting a post. The second is PM'ing the admins.


If this is the kind of board where members don't get any say in things, and the admins can do whatever they want and ban anyone who questions their methods, then feel free to close this thread and you'll never hear from me again. I have no interest in wasting my time in a community like that.People get a huge say in things. The reason we hushed up on politics wasn't because there were too many liberals or conservatives or nazis showing up - it was because people couldn't behave themselves. That's when the administrative action comes in. Beliefs and behavior aren't the same thing, but one can heavily influence the other.

Btw, about your Hawk and Dove post, you linked wrong - I'm sure most users can only see 20 posts per page, so you had me searching. What I did find was you talk about free speech and then insult a person who gives his reasons for not liking 'This Little Piggy'? For shame.

And, its been said before, but there are correct places to do things. You may disagree, but sexual deviancy is not what I consider apporpriate, and talk of getting 'turned on'... well, I recommend you have fun at this site instead: Animated Lust (http://www.dragonfare.com/AL/). Have at it there all you want.

[Bleu Unicorn]

I wasn't going to reply again, but one thing in your comment stuck out and I just can't keep my virtual mouth shut.

No one in any of the above posts was judging you. We read your post and through a process called observation and thought came to conclusions that we felt necessary to point out. Judging you would have sounded something like this, "Based on your comments regarding Bird Boy and how you handled the situation, you must be incredibly slow in school." Now obviously I didn't say that, nor did I mean that in any way - so remember that because everyone that knows me knows I don't judge based on anything but fact. It's a common courtessy - and it's one I expect in return as a rather decent human being.

The other thing that seems to allude you, and guinaevere touched on a bit, is that you're waving the First Amendment around like a shield. Unfortunately, no you don't have the right to say whatever you want here. Profanity isn't allowed, for several very legitimate reasons. Nor are any types of political discussions. Nor flames - or derogatory, hurtfuul, cruel, etc. comments directed at your fellow TZer or non-TZer. As guinaevere said above, that thread was definitely not within the confines of the PG environment that is to be maintained here - and it's something that should be respected given the huge amount of younger people hat frequent this board.

As far as Bird Boy is concerned - how do you know he's ignoring you? Did you try and contact him privately? I can tell you right now, he's not on the boards, so he can't be ignoring you right now, if he isn't around.

And quite honestly, if being here is such a strain on your ideals - then by all means leave. No one's stopping you. I'm not saying you should take off, but if you find it so horrible to be around here and that mods are targetting you specifically. Then why torture yourself?

Lastly, no as I said before, publically bringing this out on the forum was not the way to handle it. I won't repeat what I said above - nor what guinaevere reitterated so elegantly. But how about reading over what you wrote as if it were directed to you - how would you feel if all the thousands of TZ members saw that? What do you think they would think of the person that wrote it?

Just to make myself clear, once more - I am not, in any way juding you. I don't even know you. So, it'd be pointless. And frankly, I'm personally offended that you would say that.

[Maxie Zeus]

Alright, for good or ill the complaint has been publicly made, a few comments added, and so forth. I don't see anything healthy coming from letting this go on.

I'll let someone who's more involved in DCAF stuff handle anything else that has to be handled.

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[Bird Boy]

All of this has already been handled, but I didn't want it to appear as if I'd been ignoring this thread. By the time I got on the PC yesterday, it had already been dealt with and I had a myriad of other things to get done. Hence the lag time in my reply.

efumf, I don't know if you're still posting here, but if you are and you're reading this, I was never ignoring you because I was never on when this was happening. This was also my first time in ever dealing with your threads, so I don't know how I could have irked you previously with my "overbearing 'moderating'"; there are other moderators on the board, and the thread merger you pointed out wasn't done by me. Regardless, I would have merged them had I gotten to it first; they were essentially the same topic and deserved to be in the same thread.

As previously mentioned, this is a PG site with almost all of the forums having the same rating. If you want to debate this more, feel free to PM me. I don't know why you felt the need to post this publicly, unless you simply wanted to "rally the troops" against your "cause" for discussion of Wonder Woman's breasts and butt. The only reason I'm posting this here instead of PMing you is beacuse you took the same course of action; unless you even want to start a PM discussion, I'm not going to go there.

-Joseph "Bird Boy"