JLU needs new, threatning villains....

[The Avenger]

i was thinking...the villains on JLU for the most part arent really that...threatning or interesting. Anyone have a list of DCU baddies they havent used for JLU yet?


And i realized that the producers havent really used any villains from season 2. where's Despero, Dr.Destiny, etc? Well, i dont know, as you guys havent revealed plot details for the rest of the season.

And I know Vandal Savage is coming back....right?0

[DLM]

And i realized that the producers havent really used any villains from season 2. where's Despero, Dr.Destiny, etc? Well, i dont know, as you guys havent revealed plot details for the rest of the season.

And I know Vandal Savage is coming back....right?0I suspect that b.t.et.al. would rather have new fish to fry rather than reheat leftovers.

(I'd still like to see a Mxy episode though)

[Legionaire]

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Bring on The Fatal Five!

Tharok
Emerald Empress
Persuader
Mano
Validus

Now there's a challenge worthy of the JLU! :evil:

[Toddman]

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Bring on The Fatal Five!

Tharok
Emerald Empress
Persuader
Mano
Validus

Now there's a challenge worthy of the JLU! :evil:I concur.

Even though the above totally contradicts a minor nitpick I've had about JL/JLU....

I've been a little disappointed with the number of actual Justice League villains from the comic books that have been used on the show.

Season 1 was really surprising to me, since only three real JL villains showed up (Kanjar Ro, Felix Faust and the Injustice Gang). Even if you include the Manhunters from "In Blackest Night" (who were never exclusively JL villains, but the episodes they appeared in are an adaptation from the JLA comic book series), that means only four out of twelve stories from Season 1 included traditional JL villains.

Season 2 was a little better, as it featured five JL rogues (Amazo, Dr. Destiny, Despero, the Secret Society, and the Royal Flush Gang). But that's still five out of thirteen stories.

And now the recently completed Season 3 has really been sparce, with only one JL badguy turning up (Amazo again).

Now don't get me wrong, I love many of the episodes that feature non-JL villains like Darkseid and Mongul. Luthor's development on the show has been brilliant. And I can't imagine another ending for Season 2 that could have topped the story of Hawkgirl and the Thanagarians.

And I understand that the first season wanted to give each member a nice spotlight, so it made sense to have the Flash battle Grodd and Superman fight Mongul, but c'mon, where are some of the other traditional JL opponents? Even with Starro being off-limits because of his (its?) future appearance in "The Call", where are some of the other JL villains like the Key? Queen Bee? The Lord of Time? T.O. Morrow or Amos Fortune? Howabout the Construct? Shaggy Man? Even more recent JL baddies from the comics might be cool like Prometheus or the Queen of Fables.

Okay, rant over. I'm glad I got that off my chest.

Toddman

[Legionaire]

Even with Starro being off-limits because of his (its?) future appearance in "The Call", where are some of the other JL villains like the Key? Queen Bee? The Lord of Time? T.O. Morrow or Amos Fortune? Howabout the Construct? Shaggy Man? Maybe 'cause a lot of them are lame? :p

Seriously, while I agree with you on the concept of more "classic" JLA menaces, it's not clear who.

The Key and Queen Bee (always struck me as sort of a Star Sapphire wannabe, or is that the other way round?) could be done well if adapted. Although I've always been confused about what exactly the Key does. Psycho chemicals or somesuch originally, but then he morphed into some dimension guy or something.

Construct is just a poor man's Brainiac, but they might be able to do something with it.

Lord of Time and T.O.Morrow are probably out because they've done enough time-oriented eps already. Maybe late season 4 (with a Red Tornado origin flashback? :shrug: )

Amos Fortune just seemed to have the least explicable abilities. C'mon, luck energy? Besides, he already owns that casino from Wild Cards. (More of an easter egg than a cameo, but it probably checks him off the list.)

As for Shaggy Man, well, he is lame. Might as well bring back Super Duper. :p

Still, with a few of these, plus some returning villains (Dr. D, Faust), and some new creations or non-JLA villains, plus some more aliens (Gordanians anyone?) I suspect the creative team still has lots of material to work with. If not, they can always swipe some more Legion baddies. :evil:

[Knight]

Maybe 'cause a lot of them are lame? :p

Seriously, while I agree with you on the concept of more "classic" JLA menaces, it's not clear who.

The Key and Queen Bee (always struck me as sort of a Star Sapphire wannabe, or is that the other way round?) could be done well if adapted. Although I've always been confused about what exactly the Key does. Psycho chemicals or somesuch originally, but then he morphed into some dimension guy or something.

Construct is just a poor man's Brainiac, but they might be able to do something with it.

Lord of Time and T.O.Morrow are probably out because they've done enough time-oriented eps already. Maybe late season 4 (with a Red Tornado origin flashback? :shrug: )

Amos Fortune just seemed to have the least explicable abilities. C'mon, luck energy? Besides, he already owns that casino from Wild Cards. (More of an easter egg than a cameo, but it probably checks him off the list.)

As for Shaggy Man, well, he is lame. Might as well bring back Super Duper. :p

Still, with a few of these, plus some returning villains (Dr. D, Faust), and some new creations or non-JLA villains, plus some more aliens (Gordanians anyone?) I suspect the creative team still has lots of material to work with. If not, they can always swipe some more Legion baddies. :evil:
I agree some of those guys are best left in animation limbo (especially The Shaggy Man).



I would like to see Prometheus and The Crime Syndicate.

But there aren't a lot of really good strictly JLA villains that haven't been used yet.

[EJill34]

Bring in Prometheus and Shaggy Man (General Eiling in "Dark Heart" could set up a future appearance, paralleling the Ultramarines storyline).

[Squall]

I think that JLU works best when it has a mixture of new & old villians, just like it has a mixture of new & old heroes ('old' and 'new' refer to animated continuity).

[DerekPowers]

And I understand that the first season wanted to give each member a nice spotlight, so it made sense to have the Flash battle Grodd and Superman fight Mongul, but c'mon, where are some of the other traditional JL opponents? Even with Starro being off-limits because of his (its?) future appearance in "The Call", where are some of the other JL villains like the Key? Queen Bee? The Lord of Time? T.O. Morrow or Amos Fortune? Howabout the Construct? Shaggy Man? Even more recent JL baddies from the comics might be cool like Prometheus or the Queen of Fables.

Okay, rant over. I'm glad I got that off my chest.

Toddman
Yeah, i agree. this thread is good, i think. I'm not a JL comic reader (although i did pick up some old school JLA comics at the last con i went to, so i gotta read those), and i dont have any real knowledge of the JLA rogues gallery, BUT i'm willing to learn. And i'm very interested.

So yeah, so new cool JLA bad guys would be sweet. One of my favorite things about JLU is getting to know new heros/villians that i had no real knowledge of before. Its just cool, ESPECIALLY villians (ive always been a bad guy person). Like, i loved Chronos, Dr. Destiny, etc, i just love a good villian. And if theyre from JLA comics, it just makes it even more cool, especially if theyre adapted well, like all the btas and stas villians were (and not corny like the giggling hitler dude).

But, i'd still like to see Dr. Destiny again as well as other villians from past shows. Hey, btw, whose rogues gallery is Vandel Savage from? I always thought he was a JL villian. hmmm. thanks. peace.

[RAINMAN]

And who`s RG is shade,copperhead lumationes(the guy make fake images) and star shapfire from?

[Legionaire]

And who`s RG is shade,copperhead lumationes(the guy make fake images) and star shapfire from? Shade was originally either the JSA or the Golden Age Flash (ol' saucer head), I think.

Copperhead -- Batman
Luminous -- Superman (made for DCAU villain, I think; a combination of Dr. Light and Mirror Master)
Star Sapphire -- Hal Jordan

Brings to mind an interesting concept, though. Since the JSA is subsumed in the JLU, why not bring on some of their villains? Psycho Pirate has been mentioned.

Some of the other ones were parodied in Legends (Sportsmaster, Wizard, Fiddler, Icicle). Degaton is out, too much time travel already. Vandal Savage has been done, obviously. As has Roulette. The Crime Syndicate effectively appeared in A Better World.

Maybe The Myst? And even though he's a long-time Hawkman bad guy, what about The Gentleman Ghost?

If they need a cosmic-type guy, they can always dig up Aquarius, though that might be somewhat derivative...

Hmm.... Johny Sorrow--now there's some potential!

[Knight]

The Crime Syndicate effectively appeared in A Better World.

You cant really call The Justice Lords a Crime Syndicate like team. They are very different.

The Justice Lords were just extrme in their methods of protecting the planet. They still had goals of peace and no crime but were willing to do whatever it took to achieve that.

The Crime Syndicate however are pure villains who love to destroy and kill for fun.

[I-Am That Is]

Maybe 'cause a lot of them are lame? :p

Seriously, while I agree with you on the concept of more "classic" JLA menaces, it's not clear who.

The Key and Queen Bee (always struck me as sort of a Star Sapphire wannabe, or is that the other way round?) could be done well if adapted. Although I've always been confused about what exactly the Key does. Psycho chemicals or somesuch originally, but then he morphed into some dimension guy or something.

Construct is just a poor man's Brainiac, but they might be able to do something with it.

Lord of Time and T.O.Morrow are probably out because they've done enough time-oriented eps already. Maybe late season 4 (with a Red Tornado origin flashback? :shrug: )

Amos Fortune just seemed to have the least explicable abilities. C'mon, luck energy? Besides, he already owns that casino from Wild Cards. (More of an easter egg than a cameo, but it probably checks him off the list.)

As for Shaggy Man, well, he is lame. Might as well bring back Super Duper. :p

Still, with a few of these, plus some returning villains (Dr. D, Faust), and some new creations or non-JLA villains, plus some more aliens (Gordanians anyone?) I suspect the creative team still has lots of material to work with. If not, they can always swipe some more Legion baddies. :evil:Yeah, but one of the trademarks of the DCAU is taking lame chars & making 'em cool, viz Mr. Freeze.

And I for one would LOVE to see Prometheus.



You cant really call The Justice Lords a Crime Syndicate like team. They are very different.

The Justice Lords were just extrme in their methods of protecting the planet. They still had goals of peace and no crime but were willing to do whatever it took to achieve that.

The Crime Syndicate however are pure villains who love to destroy and kill for fun.
And that is why the Justice Lords are infintely cooler than the Crime Syndicate.

[Toddman]

In regards to the whole Justice Lords/Crime Syndicate comparison...

I don't know if any of you guys saw it, but in another thread b.t. mentioned that the two-part Justice Lords story started off as a straight-up Crime Syndicate adventure, but it evolved into what was eventually "A Better World". He also mentioned that the currently-shelved JL DTV called "Worlds Collide" was to feature the Crime Syndicate. Even if it is never made into a DTV, I'd love to see this story played out in the current JLU series. Maybe as a flashback to the days of "The Original Seven"...

A couple of other things:

I don't think Copperhead is really considered a Batman villain. He made his debut in a comic starring Batman, but it also guest starried Batgirl and Wonder Woman. After that, he mainly appeared in a primary role in the early issues of Secret Society of Super-Villains. Lately, he seems to have been folded into Hawkman's rogues gallery.

Vandal Savage started off as a bad guy in the original Green Lantern comics from the 1940's, but eventually settled into a role as a foe of the entire Justice Society of America. After stints as a potential main-stay adversary for both the Flash (Wally West) and Arsenal (the former Speedy) of all people, I think he's now kinda considered an all-purpose DC Universe mega-villain.


Legionaire, again I love your suggestion for Johnny Sorrow and Gentleman Ghost and I have also long-wanted to see the Psycho-Pirate show up in JL(U).

Toddman

[Batman Fan]

Originally posted by Legionaire
And even though he's a long-time Hawkman bad guy, what about The Gentleman Ghost?

If I remember correctly:sweat: , I recall them possibly wanting to use The Gentleman Ghost in B:TAS so we may see him.

[Sue]

Psycho Pirate's a good choice. He was acutally in an issue of JL Adventures, one of the better ones in fact.

[90'sCartoonMan]

After stints as a potential main-stay adversary for both the Flash (Wally West) and Arsenal (the former Speedy) of all people, I think he's now kinda considered an all-purpose DC Universe mega-villain.
Yeah, Speedy/Arsenal is one of Savage's descendants, perfect in case he needs a kidney one day.

I think what's nice about the JLA and DC is that they can interchange villains. Brainiac is powerful, he doesn't have to menace just Superman. Same for Grodd and Flash. In Marvel, if you see a bad guy with a mutant power, that's automatically an X-Men villain. I like what Justice League has been doing so far, and I'll be happy as long as we get returns of past villains and new ones/ones from the comics.

[Casey Mack]

i was thinking...the villains on JLU for the most part arent really that...threatning or interesting. Anyone have a list of DCU baddies they havent used for JLU yet?


And i realized that the producers havent really used any villains from season 2. where's Despero, Dr.Destiny, etc? Well, i dont know, as you guys havent revealed plot details for the rest of the season.

And I know Vandal Savage is coming back....right?0
yes you are right i suppose, i mean jeez AMaZO was so weak all he could do was shift planets into different dimensions...damn thats lame.:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
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[Enemy Ace]

Johnny Sorrow's a great idea. I'd also like at least one more try on the Secret Society to get a bunch more villians without the government thing in at once. Maybe even have Sorrow in place of Grodd as leader (Nothing against the big ape, he's always welcomed back as far as I'm concerned). Phobia's a good choice for someone with Scarecrow type powers in the team(though I can't decide between the classic green costume or the Siouxsie Sioux look she sported in Identity Crisis). Silver Banshee's another. Or Doctor Psycho.

...We can always bring in Krona and the Anti-Monitor to really screw around with everything. :D
:gir: Or Mxyzptlk on a real bad day.

[RAINMAN]

Can someone give make a list of all DCAU made villains? Starting from BTAS to JLU.