Cartoon Network Greenlights New Seasons for JLU and Teen Titans

[BeastBoyWonder]

According to Cartoon Network's "Upfront" announcement,


Teen Titans: The series has been given the greenlight for a fifth season. The additional 13 episodes will bring the total up to 65.

Justice League Unlimited has been given the greenlight for a third season of 13 episodes, for a total of 39 episodes.


Teen Titans: Seventeen new episodes bring new and exciting changes for the Teen Titans in 2005. Cyborg has a final showdown with Brother Blood and the Teen Titans move to a new tower with five new members. This year, Aqualad, Bumblebee and Speedy pitch in to help the Teen Titans.

Justice League Unlimited: This season, Black Canary, Shayera, Vigilante, Vixen and The Question step up to face such villains as Lex Luthor, Felix Faust and Tobias Whale. And Superman takes on Cadmus in a battle that will determine the future of the league. Twenty-three new episodes will air in 2005.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

Alright! Let's hope both shows continue past that mark as well! :D

[Style]

good to know that TT and JLU are both totally officially going through season 5 now.;)

[BeastBoyWonder]

Alright! Let's hope both shows continue past that mark as well! :D

Nevermind, whoops, apparently everybody already knew about Teen Titans. Sorry, I'm pretty out of it.

[Style]

Nevermind, whoops, apparently everybody already knew about Teen Titans. Sorry, I'm pretty out of it.
Wha-?

Anyway, it makes sense to get Teen Titans up to 65 episodes. Even though Cartoon Network is content to strip a series at 52 episodes, (or 20, as was the case when TT first went to miguzi,) most other Networks prefer a series to have at least 65 episodes before it's stripped, that way they don't have to loop back to the beginning for 13 weeks.

As for JLU, I know fans consider it a new series, but I don't know if the networks do. It depends on if it will be stripped with JL or stripped separatly. If they plan on stripping it separatly, then maybe they do want it to have up to 52 or 65 eps before it ends.

[Fone Bone]

This is great news. The thing I'm happiest about is that Titans East will merely join our Titans rather than having a spin-off focused on them. It's a great idea.

And if JLU outlives the Bat-embargo I will be a happy camper (even happier if a Superman embargo never takes place).

What exactly is with the 17 episodes order and the 23 episodes order though? Those aren't exactly usual renewal numbers for a cartoon.

[Style]

This is great news. The thing I'm happiest about is that Titans East will merely join our Titans rather than having a spin-off focused on them. It's a great idea.

And if JLU outlives the Bat-embargo I will be a happy camper (even happier if a Superman embargo never takes place).

What exactly is with the 17 episodes order and the 23 episodes order though? Those aren't exactly usual renewal numbers for a cartoon.
Those aren't orders for the new season, they just say how many new episodes in total will air this year, including new ones that have already aired.

So for Teen Titans: 3 episodes from season three + 13 episodes from season four + 1 episode from Season five, (I suppose,)=17 new episodes for 2005.

For JLU, 2 episodes from season three + 13 episodes from Season four + 8 episodes from season five=23 new JLU's this year.

[Fone Bone]

Those aren't orders for the new season, they just say how many new episodes in total will air this year, including new ones that have already aired.

So for Teen Titans: 3 episodes from season three + 13 episodes from season four + 1 episode from Season five, (I suppose,)=17 new episodes for 2005.

For JLU, 2 episodes from season three + 13 episodes from Season four + 8 episodes from season five=23 new JLU's this year.Whoo hoo! I can't wait to see them all! I'm so happy the four-part season finale will be airing this year! Hopefully it won't be as long a wait as it was between Comfort and Joy and Starcrossed!

[bobspoland]

well am really suprised that JLU is coming back. with the bat embargo and a possible sups embargo storylines would be thin....but i dont understand how many epsiodes are going too be in season 5...8 or 13?? altrough am delighted thats its back. i love the justice league :D keep up the good work Burce Timm

[shoujoaifan]

Wha-?

Anyway, it makes sense to get Teen Titans up to 65 episodes. Even though Cartoon Network is content to strip a series at 52 episodes, (or 20, as was the case when TT first went to miguzi,) most other Networks prefer a series to have at least 65 episodes before it's stripped, that way they don't have to loop back to the beginning for 13 weeks.Plenty of other channels will stop at 52.

Like already said, TT S5 was already anounced, but I'm relieved JLU is getting a S3. I wouldn't have been too surprised if they had stop at S2, seeing how they still have 52 episodes of JL ontop of things.

STILL possible JLU could be stopped after S3, and it and JL stripped as 91 episodes, ALTHOUGH they seem to be treating JLU as a separate series (And the way its told and the new characters used and older ones not as much, it IS a new show!), so we might just get a S4.

Hopefully S2's current trend continues and they improve on S1's faults (although its kinda hard to get attached to alot of these guys when they barely show up, and for the record I actually like the comedic episodes, it was the taking them out of order and puting them back to back is what could've been avoided).

[Knight]

Good to know that there will be atleast one more season of JLU after this.

[SuperChicken]

Teen Titans: Seventeen new episodes bring new and exciting changes for the Teen Titans in 2005. Cyborg has a final showdown with Brother Blood and the Teen Titans move to a new tower with five new members. This year, Aqualad, Bumblebee and Speedy pitch in to help the Teen Titans.

Justice League Unlimited: This season, Black Canary, Shayera, Vigilante, Vixen and The Question step up to face such villains as Lex Luthor, Felix Faust and Tobias Whale. And Superman takes on Cadmus in a battle that will determine the future of the league. Twenty-three new episodes will air in 2005.

Is it meor do parts of these season's sound ALOT like what's happening now for S2? Do we really expect Supes to still be fighting Cadmus in S3?

Or are these combined synopsis of seasons 2&3 for JLU?

[Supremus]

Am I missing something here, or hasn't all this been known for a long time?

[William C. Maune]

Am I missing something here, or hasn't all this been known for a long time?

I believe this is the first time there has been an actual official announcement from the network regarding the new seasons.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I'm glad for all of this, however I'm still confused as to what does Batman/Superman Embargo has to deal with this? :sweat: Thanks

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Isn't there a new DCAU show in the works also called Justice League/Secret Society? :)

[Killtacular]

I don't see JLU airing 23 episodes this year. I see it airing maybe 15 or 16. JLU's production time is not like TT's, it's simply not as fast. Season 2 isn't even finished production yet, and after going into early reruns the show will (it seems) be replaced by The Batman on Toonami in April, meaning the next episode premiere date probably will not happen until the fall. Especially if The Batman is all 26 currently-produced episodes.

[EJill34]

I don't see JLU airing 23 episodes this year. I see it airing maybe 15 or 16.Agreed, but you never know.


JLU's production time is not like TT's, it's simply not as fast. Season 2 isn't even finished production yet, and after going into early reruns the show will (it seems) be replaced by The Batman on Toonami in April, meaning the next episode premiere date probably will not happen until the fall.Last I heard, The Batman was replacing Megas XLR. Did things change recently? And they definitely won't hold off the rest of the season until fall. Just look at this quote:


...i think the current plan IS to go right into "season 4" without a long hiatus....cool beans, eh? (though there WILL be some short breaks, i'm sure...)

[Killtacular]

Last I heard, The Batman was replacing Megas XLR. Did things change recently?
The Batman is airing at 8:30 pm, which means it will replace Justice League Unlimited. MAYBE JLU will move to 9 PM, but I assume it won't, unless MEGAS is underperforming. As a third MEGAS season has not even been bought yet, taking it off the air would be disasterous for any chance of a renewal (or would at the very least drain interest, resulting in even poorer ratings the third time around, as what happened to Powerpuff Girls). I'm keeping my mind open to what Toonami may do, I'm just saying it doesn't seem too likely. If you're lucky, Justice League Unlimited will take Teen Titans' timeslot once TT has finished airing their first batch of season 4 episodes (like they'd air all of them!).

[William C. Maune]

My guess is that JLU will move to 9pm while Megas gets bumped off the block and instead starts up a weekday run.

[All-Star 1.5]

So I take it that the Titans are moving to Steel City and will be joinig Titans East. My only problem with this move is that it sets the cast at around 10 members which means that not everyone will be getting there chance to shine like in the previous seasons.

[Merlin Missy]

^ Um, that's probably a mistake. Someone saw previews for "Titans East" and decided it meant the whole team is ,oving. Sort of like how CN's logline for JLU was that it was set forty years in the future. Whoever writes the presss releases isn't necessarily in tune with what's actually happening on the series.

MM:)

[TheWonderTwits]

just glad to hear there's another season coming!!!! :D

[maxnugget]

Call me crazy but didn't b.t. say the S2 finale was a five-parter? I just spent nearly a half-hour trying to find the post where he mentions it and failed, but everyone keeps saying it's a four-parter and I seem to remember him saying five.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

^No, he said four.

[Doomsday]

Call me crazy but didn't b.t. say the S2 finale was a five-parter? I just spent nearly a half-hour trying to find the post where he mentions it and failed, but everyone keeps saying it's a four-parter and I seem to remember him saying five.

Sorry b.t. said it was 4 parts. Can't remember what thread it was in. Try the rumor thread. And if anyone is confused about TT season describtion, that was season's 3, How Cyborg moved to Titan East and fought Brother Blood for a final showdown. JLU describtion is season two which is what we just started. All of this info has been told before. This season of TT has to do with Satan or whatever that S guy is, and the forth season will be about, my guess anyways, have to do with Starfire's sister and Starfire getting with Robin. Well that's cool the JLU is getting another season. I hope this means that Paul Dini can now write that dark serious episode b.t. said he can write if JLU goes into season 3.

[Hero Supreme]

Call me crazy but didn't b.t. say the S2 finale was a five-parter? I just spent nearly a half-hour trying to find the post where he mentions it and failed, but everyone keeps saying it's a four-parter and I seem to remember him saying five.

you are crazy. :D

i think the post was in the old rumors thread which i think no longer exists.

[BeastBoyWonder]

Sorry b.t. said it was 4 parts. Can't remember what thread it was in. Try the rumor thread. And if anyone is confused about TT season describtion, that was season's 3, How Cyborg moved to Titan East and fought Brother Blood for a final showdown. JLU describtion is season two which is what we just started. All of this info has been told before. This season of TT has to do with Satan or whatever that S guy is, and the forth season will be about, my guess anyways, have to do with Starfire's sister and Starfire getting with Robin. Well that's cool the JLU is getting another season. I hope this means that Paul Dini can now write that dark serious episode b.t. said he can write if JLU goes into season 3.

What dark serious episode?

[All-Star 1.5]

Sorry b.t. said it was 4 parts. Can't remember what thread it was in. Try the rumor thread. And if anyone is confused about TT season describtion, that was season's 3, How Cyborg moved to Titan East and fought Brother Blood for a final showdown. JLU describtion is season two which is what we just started. All of this info has been told before. This season of TT has to do with Satan or whatever that S guy is, and the forth season will be about, my guess anyways, have to do with Starfire's sister and Starfire getting with Robin. Well that's cool the JLU is getting another season. I hope this means that Paul Dini can now write that dark serious episode b.t. said he can write if JLU goes into season 3.
No, you are wrong I remember Season's three's logline awhile back and the logline that CN just released is a new one you know with the added info of TTW moving in with TTE. And we are in the fourth season of Teen Titan's now. So I guess this means that Cyborg gets two season story arcs???

[Casey Mack]

Sorry b.t. said it was 4 parts. Can't remember what thread it was in. Try the rumor thread. And if anyone is confused about TT season describtion, that was season's 3, How Cyborg moved to Titan East and fought Brother Blood for a final showdown. JLU describtion is season two which is what we just started. All of this info has been told before. This season of TT has to do with Satan or whatever that S guy is, and the forth season will be about, my guess anyways, have to do with Starfire's sister and Starfire getting with Robin. Well that's cool the JLU is getting another season. I hope this means that Paul Dini can now write that dark serious episode b.t. said he can write if JLU goes into season 3.
wrong all wrong.

1. season 4 is about Raven and her demonic Father Trigon, watch Teen Titans sometimes.:sad:
2. WE ARE ALREADY IN SEASON 4 OF TEEN TITANS!
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[Doomsday]

wrong all wrong.

1. season 4 is about Raven and her demonic Father Trigon, watch Teen Titans sometimes.:sad:
2. WE ARE ALREADY IN SEASON 4 OF TEEN TITANS!

Thats what I said. :confused:

Edit: Sorry. Just looked over what I typed and I messed up what I'm typing. I meant to say instead of "and the forth season will be about" I meant "and the fifth season will be about" Sorry about confussing you. :sweat:

[Doomsday]

What dark serious episode?

It was awhile back in one of the rumor threads I think. B.T. talked about if Dini wrote another JLU episode that he wanted it to be dark and serious like Over the Edge.


No, you are wrong I remember Season's three's logline awhile back and the logline that CN just released is a new one you know with the added info of TTW moving in with TTE. And we are in the fourth season of Teen Titan's now. So I guess this means that Cyborg gets two season story arcs???

I might be wrong but this sounds extremely like season 3. I bet we will see the Titan East again but only for an episode. I think they just used different words to describe it but its still season 3. They aren't even done with season 4 so theres no point to talk about season 5. They talked about season 3 because thats where TT started at the beginning of the year and CN doesn't know any beter. BUT I can be wrong so don't kill me if I am. :D

[The Master Con]

It was awhile back in one of the rumor threads I think. B.T. talked about if Dini wrote another JLU episode that he wanted it to be dark and serious like Over the Edge.
Isn't that what we all really want? Interesting though that it was picked up for 13 episodes which probably means only a 2 parter season finale.

[Harley_Quinn]

just glad to hear there's another season coming!!!! :D
Me too!:D

[Knight]

Isn't that what we all really want? Interesting though that it was picked up for 13 episodes which probably means only a 2 parter season finale. Or SERIES finale if this is indeed the last we get of the JLU which is very possible.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Or SERIES finale if this is indeed the last we get of the JLU which is very possible.
JLU's ratings are extremely good at this point. Unless the ratings fall of in exteme dosages, I'd say the chances of JLU Season 3 being the last is less than the chance of every single character on the series getting their own 52 episode spinoff, a Titans-JLU crossover, and new episodes of Batman Beyond.

Season Four will almost definitely be greenlit.

[Knight]

JLU's ratings are extremely good at this point. Unless the ratings fall of in exteme dosages, I'd say the chances of JLU Season 3 being the last is less than the chance of every single character on the series getting their own 52 episode spinoff, a Titans-JLU crossover, and new episodes of Batman Beyond.

Season Four will almost definitely be greenlit.Nothing like that is definite. Batman Beyond, BTAS, STAS and Static Shock have all had their collective plugs pulled and not renewed for one reason or another. You can never rule anything out. No matter the ratings the Cartoon Network can always say "good job thanks for all your hard work but we feel the show is done" and that would be it.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Nothing like that is definite. Batman Beyond, BTAS, STAS and Static Shock have all had their collective plugs pulled and not renewed for one reason or another. You can never rule anything out. No matter the ratings the Cartoon Network can always say "good job thanks for all your hard work but we feel the show is done" and that would be it.


Yes, but it would be unlikely. All of their high rated shows are getting renewals, it wouldn't make sense to just cut one off. It could happen, but after just three seasons, I doubt it.

[Knight]

Yes, but it would be unlikely. All of their high rated shows are getting renewals, it wouldn't make sense to just cut one off. It could happen, but after just three seasons, I doubt it.Well I certainly hope not. I would like to see the show put up Simpson level numbers as far as episodes produced.

[SuperChicken]

Yes, but it would be unlikely. All of their high rated shows are getting renewals, it wouldn't make sense to just cut one off. It could happen, but after just three seasons, I doubt it.

From I have heard, Season 3 almost didn't make it -- and that's WITH the high ratings S1 & now S2 have gotten.

Like the man said - nothign is for certain. CN has pulled the plug on decently rated shows before. All it will take is the cost of the show eating into their net ad revenue and bye-bye JLU.

Not to be an alarmist -- but that is the reality of TV -- even cartoon TV.

but for now -- HOORAY JLU & TT!

[Killtacular]

Well I certainly hope not. I would like to see the show put up Simpson level numbers as far as episodes produced.
Oh brother.

[Knight]

Oh brother.
Hey a person can dream cant they.:)

[Killtacular]

Hey a person can dream cant they.:)
Your franchise already has more episodes than every other show on Cartoon Network, now's not the time to be getting greedy.

[RAINMAN]

I don`t mine a show having a enough ep`s but there is a such thing as overdoing it. Just as long I can see more of the FLASH, I`m happy.:D

[maxnugget]

85 x BTAS
24 x TNBA
52 x BB
54 x STAS
52 x JL
39 x JLU
DCAU = 306 episodes and counting

Not to mention MOTP, Sub Zero, ROTJ, MOTB, and SS.

Looks pretty good to me. I hope JLU keeps going, and not just because I'm a rabid fanboy. There are an ENDLESS number of stories that can be told with JLU, with access to the entire DC universe. If the length of each series should be proportional to its scope, JL/JLU should last much longer than BTAS/STAS/BB. Why end a series with nearly unlimited possiblities to retread old ground with "The Batman" or "The Superman."

And just to be a bit more unbiased, if WB wanted Timm & co. to go back and make more episodes of BTAS/TNBA, even THAT would be a bad thing in comparison to sticking with more JLU.

[efumf]

You forgot Zeta Project.

[All-Star 1.5]

85 x BTAS
24 x TNBA
52 x BB
54 x STAS
52 x JL
39 x JLU
DCAU = 306 episodes and counting

Not to mention MOTP, Sub Zero, ROTJ, MOTB, and SS.

Looks pretty good to me. I hope JLU keeps going, and not just because I'm a rabid fanboy. There are an ENDLESS number of stories that can be told with JLU, with access to the entire DC universe. If the length of each series should be proportional to its scope, JL/JLU should last much longer than BTAS/STAS/BB. Why end a series with nearly unlimited possiblities to retread old ground with "The Batman" or "The Superman."

That's the thing Timm and Co. may not want to tell those unlimited amount of stories.

[greg!]

They usually have to have 65 episodes to syndicate a show. I hope this goes beyond that (Justice League). As far as I'm concerned, Bruce Timm & Co. have created the DC universe I always wanted when all I had was Superfriends. They do a much better job with character development, translating their powers for tv, & storytelling than I ever thought was possible. Justice League Unlimited is the only watchable show on Cartoon Network & I hope they keep it around for a long time to come.:D

[Style]

85 x BTAS
24 x TNBA
52 x BB
54 x STAS
52 x JL
39 x JLU
DCAU = 306 episodes and counting

Not to mention MOTP, Sub Zero, ROTJ, MOTB, and SS.

Looks pretty good to me. I hope JLU keeps going, and not just because I'm a rabid fanboy. There are an ENDLESS number of stories that can be told with JLU, with access to the entire DC universe. If the length of each series should be proportional to its scope, JL/JLU should last much longer than BTAS/STAS/BB. Why end a series with nearly unlimited possiblities to retread old ground with "The Batman" or "The Superman."

It might have a limitless scope in storytelling, but that isn't what CN will be looking for. Because after each season, CN will ask itself, "Is it financially worth it to pay for new episodes or would we achieve the same ratings and advertising revenue just showing the reruns." The moment they got enough episodes for stripping and the ratings boom is over, CN will start thinking about the reruns option.

[EJill34]

It might have a limitless scope in storytelling, but that isn't what CN will be looking for. Because after each season, CN will ask itself, "Is it financially worth it to pay for new episodes or would we achieve the same ratings and advertising revenue just showing the reruns." The moment they got enough episodes for stripping and the ratings boom is over, CN will start thinking about the reruns option.
I think JLU does have pretty good potential when it comes to renewals because of all the marketing tie-ins. There are really tons of characters to make figures of and kids are going to want to buy them. Then of course there are all the other things like party favors and oranges.

Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic, but if the ratings are good and new episodes+more characters=new toys+larger profits, then it might last beyond 4 seasons.

[Justice League 2000]

Yes Teen Titans gets a fifth season. and JLU gets a third season.:)

[Toddman]

Then of course there are all the other things like party favors and oranges.




...Oranges?...





T:confused:ddman

[Style]

I think JLU does have pretty good potential when it comes to renewals because of all the marketing tie-ins. There are really tons of characters to make figures of and kids are going to want to buy them. Then of course there are all the other things like party favors and oranges.

Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic, but if the ratings are good and new episodes+more characters=new toys+larger profits, then it might last beyond 4 seasons.
It's large base of characters might be JLU's ace in the hole- if they routinely bring to the forefront new characters, and make them popular, that's all kinds of marketing potential with toys and spin-offs and the like.

The question is if bt can keep it up, and if we can accept it. After all, pressure with introducing the new character of the week could turn it into the kind of toy commercial of '80's yore. And would we really want to see a Justice League where Superman, Batman, Wonderwoman, Green Lantern, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Shayera, and Green Arrow are virtually off the show, in favor of new guys?

[Toddman]

After all, pressure with introducing the new character of the week could turn it into the kind of toy commercial of '80's yore. And would we really want to see a Justice League where Superman, Batman, Wonderwoman, Green Lantern, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Shayera, and Green Arrow are virtually off the show, in favor of new guys?
While I'm not saying it'll never happen, thankfully that's not the case right now.

Sure, the JLU creative team has to accept a certain amount of "suggestions" from the higher-ups that undoubtedly have a marketing (read $) goal in mind, but at least the situation right now is that of a toyline based on a tv show, and not a tv show based on a toyline, like almost every action/adventure cartoon from the 80's was.

Toddman

[Squall]

I'm confused... So, did JLU get a season four, making the total now 52 episodes? Or is this a restatement of the news from a couple of months ago that JLU got a season three, for a total of 39 episodes?
:confused:

I really, really hope that JLU gets at least 52 episodes. :cool: If for no other reason, 39 is just such an odd number... If JLU is unfortunately forced to end here (I hope not!), at least they can give the creators one more episode for an even 40.

Personally, I hope JLU gets at least 52 episodes... but preferably 65, or 104!

[Style]

I'm confused... So, did JLU get a season four, making the total now 52 episodes? Or is this a restatement of the news from a couple of months ago that JLU got a season three, for a total of 39 episodes?
:confused:

I really, really hope that JLU gets at least 52 episodes. :cool: If for no other reason, 39 is just such an odd number... If JLU is unfortunately forced to end here (I hope not!), at least they can give the creators one more episode for an even 40.

Personally, I hope JLU gets at least 52 episodes... but preferably 65, or 104! It Just reiterates that Justice League has gotten a fifth season, for a total of 91 episodes.

[Squall]

Your franchise already has more episodes than every other show on Cartoon Network, now's not the time to be getting greedy.
Well, at least 52 episodes then. Minimum. :D Then JL/JLU could be released as four 26-episode box sets! :cool:

JL Season 1
JL Season 2
JLU Seasons 1 & 2
JLU Seasons 3 & 4

That would look nice on my DVD bookshelf...


As far as I'm concerned, Bruce Timm & Co. have created the DC universe I always wanted when all I had was Superfriends. They do a much better job with character development, translating their powers for tv, & storytelling than I ever thought was possible.
Me too. I can still remember watching "Secret Origins" and thinking to myself, "This is what SuperFriends should have been but never was. This is the show I've really wanted since I was 8 years old!"


It Just reiterates that Justice League has gotten a fifth season, for a total of 91 episodes.
JL and JLU are very different shows in my mind. I know, they all go to the same continuity (which is one of the main things I love about them!), but combining the two shows into 'one' show is like combining Star Trek: TNG, Star Trek: DS9, and Star Trek: Voyager into 'one' show. :p

That being said, I like it when franchises are kept together. I'd prefer to see all the Bruce Timm & Co. DCAU shows (B:TAS/TNBA, S:TAS, JL/JLU, BB; possibly even SS and TZP) grouped together in a single block (like, 2 hours, perhaps?), even if the shows had to take turns airing there.

[Grimlock]

Your franchise already has more episodes than every other show on Cartoon Network, now's not the time to be getting greedy.
"Your franchise"?

Considering how much you distance yourself from this show, why do you watch it?

And why do you post on a FAN message board if you dislike it so much?

[Fone Bone]

85 x BTAS
24 x TNBA
52 x BB
54 x STAS
52 x JL
39 x JLU
DCAU = 306 episodes and counting

Not to mention MOTP, Sub Zero, ROTJ, MOTB, and SS.

Looks pretty good to me. I hope JLU keeps going, and not just because I'm a rabid fanboy. There are an ENDLESS number of stories that can be told with JLU, with access to the entire DC universe. If the length of each series should be proportional to its scope, JL/JLU should last much longer than BTAS/STAS/BB. Why end a series with nearly unlimited possiblities to retread old ground with "The Batman" or "The Superman."

And just to be a bit more unbiased, if WB wanted Timm & co. to go back and make more episodes of BTAS/TNBA, even THAT would be a bad thing in comparison to sticking with more JLU.Add 52 Static Shock episodes and 26 Zeta Projects and you have... WHOA! 384 episodes! That's more half hours than The Simpsons and they've been on longer!

Wait. I have to deduct 23 episodes from JLU cause they aren't finished yet, but DANG 362 episodes is nothing to sneeze at (and STILL probably more than The Simpsons at this point.)

I want an Adventures in the DC Universe show when JLU finishes it's run. Badly. We could have solo adventures for Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Flash, Hawkgirl, and Green Arrow and maybe even GULP, ORIGIN STORIES. And we could have the occasional new Batman or Superman ep! We could even potentially revisit Batman Beyond, The Zeta Project and Static Shock! Oooh, the possibilities! I'd want 52 episodes of THAT for sure.:eek:

[CyberCubed]

Maybe if they find some way to get Teen Titans into continuity, you can add another 65 episodes to that list and get over 400. ;)

[Fone Bone]

Maybe if they find some way to get Teen Titans into continuity, you can add another 65 episodes to that list and get over 400. ;)Oooh! Crisis Type Alternate Multiverse story! You could throw in The Batman, Superfriends, Fleisher Superman, Filmation Batman, Krypto AND Teen Titans!

Although I think every single fanboy and girls head on the planet would explode in delight.

13 episode multi-arc, no?

[EJill34]

...Oranges?...





T:confused:ddman
Sorry, its just me being weird.

[Squall]

Oooh! Crisis Type Alternate Multiverse story! You could throw in The Batman, Superfriends, Fleisher Superman, Filmation Batman, Krypto AND Teen Titans!

Although I think every single fanboy and girls head on the planet would explode in delight.
Delight? Not likely. I'll accept Teen Titans as long as there's a "no anime expressions crap" rule when they're on JLU, but the others are the antithesis of what the modern DCAU stands for. Pollute and ruin the modern DCAU with fluff like the SuperFriends or Krypto and I'd be uber-pissed, personally.

I'm only being truthful because I care. :sweat:

[Fone Bone]

Delight? Not likely. I'll accept Teen Titans as long as there's a "no anime expressions crap" rule when they're on JLU, but the others are the antithesis of what the modern DCAU stands for. Pollute and ruin the modern DCAU with fluff like the SuperFriends or Krypto and I'd be uber-pissed, personally.

I'm only being truthful because I care. :sweat:Admit it. If Superfriends, The Batman and Krypto were cannon you'd buy every single damned boxed set of them too. And you'd LIKE it!:p

[Squall]

Admit it. If Superfriends, The Batman and Krypto were cannon you'd buy every single damned boxed set of them too. And you'd LIKE it!:p
Actually, I do have the SuperFriends DVD Box Set. But I bought it for the same reason I have MST3K, South Park, and Aqua Teen Hunger Force on DVD... it sits in my comedy section on the bookshelf. :evil:

Now, my Batman:TAS, Superman:TAS, Justice League, and Batman Beyond DVDs are in the sci-fi section on my bookshelf, next to Robotech, Cowboy Bebop, and Trigun. :)

I wouldn't buy "The Batman" or "Krypto" on DVD with your money and a coupon to get a free DVD of my choice from the store out of the deal. (Zing!) :zim:

[Fone Bone]

Actually, I do have the SuperFriends DVD Box Set. But I bought it for the same reason I have MST3K, South Park, and Aqua Teen Hunger Force on DVD... it sits in my comedy section on the bookshelf. :evil:

Now, my Batman:TAS, Superman:TAS, Justice League, and Batman Beyond DVDs are in the sci-fi section on my bookshelf, next to Robotech, Cowboy Bebop, and Trigun. :)

I wouldn't buy "The Batman" or "Krypto" on DVD with your money and a coupon to get a free DVD of my choice from the store out of the deal. (Zing!) :zim:Liar. If it was cannon you'd hire some old guy to go into the store and buy it for you because you'd be so embarrassed!:D

[90'sCartoonMan]

This is...good news, yes?

Woo-hoo!

Give me my DVD box sets, and heaven is a place called the DCAU.

[Greg]

I guess I'm a little behind the times, 'cause this is the first I'd read of two of my fave shows being renewed! Most excellent! I know TT was originally slated to run just four seasons, so it'll be interesting to see what they do with S-5!

So...I guess "The End" isn't really the end after all! :D

[EmaHalJordan]

23 episodes!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAHHHHHHHHH :D great news

I hope see in JLU: Firestorm!! Spectre!! Captain Cold!! Black Manta!! PsicoPirata!! Clok King!! Crimen Syndicate!! Brainiac with the robotic 80´s look!! More Mr.Miracle & Barda!! More Darkseid!! and obvious... MORE HAL JORDAN!! :D

and Wonder Girl!! Kid Flash!! Jericho!! Trigon!! in Teen Titans.

EmaHalJordan

[Killtacular]

"Your franchise"?
Yes, Justice League, your franchise. My franchise is Teen Titans.


Considering how much you distance yourself from this show, why do you watch it?
Why do you care, and what are you going to do about it? What are you expecting to accomplish with this interrogation? Pointless.


And why do you post on a FAN message board if you dislike it so much?
Oh, is this the Justice League Forum? I don't remember the forum being called that.

[Crow]

Two questions:

1. Anywhere to contact and talk with "Cartoon Network" in any way, shape or form? I've emphasised CN as I know there's probably a lot of ways one can interpret a tv station.

2. Any way of ensuring anything I can ask them will "get through" or what?

[Casey Mack]

Yes, Justice League, your franchise. My franchise is Teen Titans.


Why do you care, and what are you going to do about it? What are you expecting to accomplish with this interrogation? Pointless.


Oh, is this the Justice League Forum? I don't remember the forum being called that.
Mr. Wilson no one here talks about Teen Titans over the top problems, so i don't think you commenting on Justice League makes sense. Im not trying to insult you but, you simply post dumb and rather useless comments on the League in hopes to make people think Teen Titans is better show. Im a Teen Titans fan myself but, the show has its share of problems so does the Justice League. The Titans problem is they rush endings to stories, and some of their ideas and episodes are just to freaking childish. Did you see their season 3 finale, and the way Cyborg beat Brother blood?! It was laughable at best but, i still watch ignoring those dumb episodes. So before you open your mouth on Justice League epiosdes you don't even watch [Ties that bind], i suggest you don't....peace.
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[efumf]

The site that cannot be named just reported this:

Cartoon Network has announced additional episode orders for both Justice League Unlimited and Teen Titans.

There will be 23 new episodes of Justice League Unlimited.

Here's how the network describes the new season:

"This season, Black Canary, Shayera, Vigilante, Vixen and The Question step up to face such villains as Lex Luthor, Felix Faust and Tobias Whale. And Superman takes on Cadmus in a battle that will determine the future of the League."

There will be 17 new episode of Teen Titans.

Here's how the network describes the new season:

"Cyborg has a final showdown with Brother Blood and the Teen Titans move to a new tower with five new members. This year, Aqualad, Bumblebee and Speedy pitch in to help the Teen Titans."



I'm confused... Are they counting this season or something?

[GF2814]

Add 52 Static Shock episodes and 26 Zeta Projects and you have... WHOA! 384 episodes! That's more half hours than The Simpsons and they've been on longer!

Wait. I have to deduct 23 episodes from JLU cause they aren't finished yet, but DANG 362 episodes is nothing to sneeze at (and STILL probably more than The Simpsons at this point.)

I want an Adventures in the DC Universe show when JLU finishes it's run. Badly. We could have solo adventures for Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Flash, Hawkgirl, and Green Arrow and maybe even GULP, ORIGIN STORIES. And we could have the occasional new Batman or Superman ep! We could even potentially revisit Batman Beyond, The Zeta Project and Static Shock! Oooh, the possibilities! I'd want 52 episodes of THAT for sure.:eek:
I'd actually like to see that too, but let's face it, it can't be done. Most of the people on here are huge fans and have probably watched and read every feature and book on the DCAU. b.t. has a ridiculous amount of work to put into each show for character design, location etc. Look at all they had to go through to design Superman and Batmans shows. Imagine doing all new designs EVERY WEEK. It's insane. (Somehow I have the feeling you already know this;)...) That being said I'd LOVE to see it (and I've actually brought it up here before) especially b.t.'s visions for places like Central City and Coast City. (To be honest I'm mostly a Superman/Batman/GL guy, I know, but am not extremely familiar with many of the others.) I think it could add incredible depth to the characters we see. On a different note there have been a number of episodes of unlimited that focus in individual characters ever so slightly. Personally I enjoyed TCATC and FS due to the tight character interaction. I think if they wanted to they could push JLU in that direction more so than episodes like Dark Heart. Oh yeah, maybe bring in Prometheus for a big time ep. I read every one of Grant Morrisons JLA books, which is alot for me, personally I prefer the shows.

[Killtacular]

Mr. Wilson no one here talks about Teen Titans over the top problems, so i don't think you commenting on Justice League makes sense. Im not trying to insult you but, you simply post dumb and rather useless comments on the League in hopes to make people think Teen Titans is better show.
What? Your argument is absolutely and completely irrelevent to what Grimlock and I are talking about. Please don't feel that any time my name is brought up is an opportune time to throw an egg or two while the getting's good. We are talking statistics here, not show qualities; specifically episode committments, and Justice League has 104 half hours which is more than any original show Cartoon Network has ever owned, and people think that's an unfairly low amount, which is absurd. Even The Powerpuff Girls which was CN's biggest hit only ran to 79 episodes. Regardless of JLU being a "different show" (which really it isn't -- it is simply a faster and more expanded JL) you guys are lucky that JLU even exists at all. If they do get more purchases beyond 104 half hours, great, but I don't think anyone should be expecting or DEMANDING it. It'd be nice to see Timm work up another series to go from JLU to, like a spinoff. I don't expect or desire Teen Titans to stretch to 100 episodes myself. I don't want to see ideas start thinning out and the creativity starting to vanish, which has happened to too many shows that reach that length.

[Fone Bone]

I'd actually like to see that too, but let's face it, it can't be done. Most of the people on here are huge fans and have probably watched and read every feature and book on the DCAU. b.t. has a ridiculous amount of work to put into each show for character design, location etc. Look at all they had to go through to design Superman and Batmans shows. Imagine doing all new designs EVERY WEEK. It's insane. (Somehow I have the feeling you already know this;)...) That being said I'd LOVE to see it (and I've actually brought it up here before) especially b.t.'s visions for places like Central City and Coast City. (To be honest I'm mostly a Superman/Batman/GL guy, I know, but am not extremely familiar with many of the others.) I think it could add incredible depth to the characters we see. On a different note there have been a number of episodes of unlimited that focus in individual characters ever so slightly. Personally I enjoyed TCATC and FS due to the tight character interaction. I think if they wanted to they could push JLU in that direction more so than episodes like Dark Heart. Oh yeah, maybe bring in Prometheus for a big time ep. I read every one of Grant Morrisons JLA books, which is alot for me, personally I prefer the shows.If they use JLU as a template it COULD be done. They are using a lot of new settings this year. And I'm not asking for Vibe or Blue Devil to get their own episodes just the big seven, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Static Shock, Batman Beyond, The Zeta Project and the occasional Justice League two-parter. The best thing about this show is that it is even a better opportunity for spin-off potential than even JLU.

[EJill34]

It'd be nice to see Timm work up another series to go from JLU to, like a spinoff.Wow, I'm actually agreeing with Matt Wilson here.

I think 104 episodes is nice length for the Justice League franchise. Sure JLU could go on much longer, but I'm really interested in seeing Timm work on a creator-owned property. If JLU can get in the Bat-family, Ra's al Ghul and Adam Strange by the time it reaches episode 52, I'll be perfectly fine with the crew moving onto something else. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they might take a little break after JLU, which again, I'm fine with.

JLU is the best way to end the DCAU (an Adventures in the DCAU series would be somewhat repetitive) and I'd rather they finish off the show with a huge, satisfying finale than for it to just kind of fade away.

[Killtacular]

JLU is the best way to end the DCAU (an Adventures in the DCAU series would be somewhat repetitive) and I'd rather they finish off the show with a huge, satisfying finale than for it to just kind of fade away.
That's what makes it smart that Timm designs each season finale to bring the series to more and more completion. That way noone loses out.. you either get a solid finish to a long-running franchise, or you get a great episode to a STILL-running franchise. Starcrossed is excellent compared to most of the regular JL episodes for this reason. It wasn't a finale but it was a major epic nonetheless.

As for spinoffs, I initially hated Green Arrow but the season 2 premiere warmed me to him a little. I just think he still looks a little goofy to be the star of a show. But I wouldn't be surprised if he were spun off. I know a lot of people say Wonder Woman series or Green Lantern series but this seems a little more realistic to me.

[Grimlock]

Yes, Justice League, your franchise. My franchise is Teen Titans.
Oh, i didn't realize everyone was only allowed to like one show, silly me.



Why do you care, and what are you going to do about it? What are you expecting to accomplish with this interrogation? Pointless.
I care because you make this quality show out to be such an awful thing, and we don't need so much negativity around here. If you have valid criticism, fine, but saying, "i didn't even watch the episode, but i know it sucked big time" is actually the only pointless thing involved here.




Oh, is this the Justice League Forum? I don't remember the forum being called that.
You've been posting here since Justice League premiered years ago, and you continually post in threads and talkbacks about JLU episodes...so i'm pretty sure you come on here to talk about JLU. Yet if you hate the series so much, why bother? You still didn't answer that original question.

Are you going to?

[Killtacular]

Oh, i didn't realize everyone was only allowed to like one show, silly me.
Yes, that's my argument, why are YOU using it? You're the one who's saying "Don't like Justice League? THEN LEAVE!!"


If you have valid criticism, fine, but saying, "i didn't even watch the episode, but i know it sucked big time" is actually the only pointless thing involved here.
When did I say that in this thread? OH, you're talking about another thread! Wait a minute, you're admitting that you purposefully came in this thread to troll me about something completely irrelevent to the subject at hand. That wasn't very bright.

Can we get back to the REAL discussion, or does anyone else feel like flinging trash at me for no real reason about stuff that has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEASON RENEWALS??

[EJill34]

Can we get back to the REAL discussion, or does anyone else feel like flinging trash at me for no real reason about stuff that has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEASON RENEWALS??Uhm. I heard you don't like brussel sprouts and I really like brussel sprouts. With bacon.

Anyway, I wonder whether the 3rd season of JLU will have a subplot like Season 1/2 did. I'm leaning towards no because they only have 13 episodes and it hasn't been confirmed if there is going to be another set of 13. Seasons 1 and 2 were ordered back-to-back, so they could essentially have two season finales. What does everyone else think?

[efumf]

Wilson, where I come from they call people like you trolls. Don't try to turn the tables here.

I really hope JLU gets another 13 episodes if only so the DVDs won't be uneven. It'd suck if the last DCAU release only had 13 episodes - hardly even a box set.

[EJill34]

Wilson, where I come from they call people like you trolls. Don't try to turn the tables here.
Hey now, Matt Wilson may not be liked by the majority of the Toon Zone community (I've gotten into a fair amount of arguments with him) but you don't need to add to the fire. We've all had our moments of rudeness and comments like the one you just made is making Toon Zone less enjoyable than it once was.

So, while Matt Wilson isn't my favorite member, its unfair to insert yourself into an argument that in no way involves you.

[efumf]

I'm sorry, I can't stand by and watch him call someone else a troll. He's the biggest troll I've ever seen.

Nothing personal, he can troll all he likes - just be honest about it. Hypocrites irk me.

[William C. Maune]

Anyway, I wonder whether the 3rd season of JLU will have a subplot like Season 1/2 did. I'm leaning towards no because they only have 13 episodes and it hasn't been confirmed if there is going to be another set of 13. Seasons 1 and 2 were ordered back-to-back, so they could essentially have two season finales. What does everyone else think?

Considering they seem to be moving more and more towards doing story arcs, I think they will continue to do some sort of ongoing plot for those 13 episodes. Perhaps they'd even do a full 13 episode on going plot.

[EJill34]

Considering they seem to be moving more and more towards doing story arcs, I think they will continue to do some sort of ongoing plot for those 13 episodes. Perhaps they'd even do a full 13 episode on going plot.
I'm not sure I'd really enjoy that as much as what they're doing now. Having episodes like "FTMWHE" or "The Once and Future Thing" which aren't bogged down by a subplot are always among the most enjoyable episodes for me. Yes, I liked both "Ultimatum" and "Dark Heart," but they weren't even close to being my favorite episodes of Season 1. The only conspiracy episode that was really good was "Fearful Symmetry" and that's mainly because of The Question.

[William C. Maune]

I agree with ya actually, I'd rather they keep with a system that allows for good stand alone episodes and episodes that perhaps only slightly deal with the overall arc to exist within the overall story arc. That way we can get the best of both worlds, a good overall arc and good single episodes, as opposed to one or the other.

[EJill34]

I agree with ya actually, I'd rather they keep with a system that allows for good stand alone episodes and episodes that perhaps only slightly deal with the overall arc to exist within the overall story arc. That way we can get the best of both worlds, a good overall arc and good single episodes, as opposed to one or the other.Exactly. In JLU, it seems like they're starting out slowly and and will eventually build up to a huge climax. And since we're only getting teases of the conspiracy every few episodes, there are opportunities for personal stories like "Cat and the Canary" and "Ties That Bind."

[Killtacular]

Wilson, where I come from they call people like you trolls.
No, see, a troll goes into a completely random thread and attacks a person's character and integrity, makes their fight personal, and tries to drag others through the mud. There's a difference between doing that, which is what Grimlock is doing, and merely voicing opinions people don't readily agree with, which seems to be my one true forte.


Anyway, I wonder whether the 3rd season of JLU will have a subplot like Season 1/2 did. I'm leaning towards no because they only have 13 episodes and it hasn't been confirmed if there is going to be another set of 13. Seasons 1 and 2 were ordered back-to-back, so they could essentially have two season finales. What does everyone else think?
If season 3 has a subplot it will probably be like Teen Titans; beginning and ending within the same season but leaving plenty of room for one-shot stories to co-exist.

[EJill34]

If season 3 has a subplot it will probably be like Teen Titans; beginning and ending within the same season but leaving plenty of room for one-shot stories to co-exist.
That's actually not a bad format, but it'll seem rather anti-climactic after a 4-part finale that's capping off a 2-season long story arc. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind seeing a season that's all stand-alone episodes. No matter what, I'm just glad that JLU has been renewed.

[Fone Bone]

Yes, that's my argument, why are YOU using it? You're the one who's saying "Don't like Justice League? THEN LEAVE!!"


When did I say that in this thread? OH, you're talking about another thread! Wait a minute, you're admitting that you purposefully came in this thread to troll me about something completely irrelevent to the subject at hand. That wasn't very bright.

Can we get back to the REAL discussion, or does anyone else feel like flinging trash at me for no real reason about stuff that has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEASON RENEWALS??I don't know, Matt, efumf and Grimlock ARE being quite rude and that sucks but they sort of have a point. You yourself often take potshots at JLU that have nothing to do with the thread in question. I can't help feeling that it is a bit strange to complain about someone trolling someone about a subject irrelevent to the discussion when you often do the same thing to b.t. (albeit, more indirectly).

If that ISN'T efumf and Grimlock's point forget I said anything.

[Killtacular]

If that ISN'T efumf and Grimlock's point forget I said anything.
Grimlock's just referring to a non review I made in a JLU post. I didn't post that to review the episode, I just posted to comment on how the animation and staging had dropped in quality since the previous week. Maybe that won't be the case this week. But there's no need to follow me around to other threads to pick fights just because of that. Rabi en Rose has more closely followed Grimlock's definition of a "troll" and the mods already handle that proficiently as is expected.


That's actually not a bad format, but it'll seem rather anti-climactic after a 4-part finale that's capping off a 2-season long story arc.
Initiation didn't exactly follow through from Starcrossed either. It's too hard to connect many seasons together. It's much easier to establish one season-long continuity at a time. And it works out better too.

[Fone Bone]

Grimlock's just referring to a non review I made in a JLU post. I didn't post that to review the episode, I just posted to comment on how the animation and staging had dropped in quality since the previous week. Maybe that won't be the case this week. But there's no need to follow me around to other threads to pick fights just because of that. Rabi en Rose has more closely followed Grimlock's definition of a "troll" and the mods already handle that proficiently as is expected.

I wasn't trying to pick a fight, honest, I just wanted some clarification. I misunderstand things sometimes.

[maxnugget]

Anyway, I wonder whether the 3rd season of JLU will have a subplot like Season 1/2 did. I'm leaning towards no because they only have 13 episodes and it hasn't been confirmed if there is going to be another set of 13.

It's been done. The hawkgirl-betraying-the-league arc really took place mainly in Season 2, beginning with "Twilight." Season 1 didn't really directly contribute much of anything to this storyline other than giving us an extra 13 episodes to grow attached to Hawkgirl and trust her before the big revelation.

Of course, season 2's 13 episodes were 44 minutes long, so it's not a perfectly fair comparison, but they could definitely do a big story arc next season. And actually I wouldn't be surprised if they already had some inkling of season 5's main story arc back when they mapped out seasons 3 and 4.

[Crow]

Another question I'd like answered:

With JL starting out as an hour-long story for each arc; should I count each half-hour as one episode or (for example, Secret Origins) a "three-parter" as ONE episode?

That's a fundamental thing I'm not sure about, then I'll be able to understand this talk of how many episodes the show must reach to get whatever it may get in the future.

I'll try and stay away from this forum for a while due to that Doomsday episode being shown in the US in a few hours time. The talkback thread itself is easy to dodge but it's when people do things like posting new threads after it such as "What if the Justice Lord Flash didn't die, what would his costume look like?", that's when those who didn't/can't see the newly screened episode get unintentional spoilers.

So yeah, hopefully my questions can be answered now that the fishing for bites is over and done with.

[Style]

Another question I'd like answered:

With JL starting out as an hour-long story for each arc; should I count each half-hour as one episode or (for example, Secret Origins) a "three-parter" as ONE episode?

That's a fundamental thing I'm not sure about, then I'll be able to understand this talk of how many episodes the show must reach to get whatever it may get in the future.

I'll try and stay away from this forum for a while due to that Doomsday episode being shown in the US in a few hours time. The talkback thread itself is easy to dodge but it's when people do things like posting new threads after it such as "What if the Justice Lord Flash didn't die, what would his costume look like?", that's when those who didn't/can't see the newly screened episode get unintentional spoilers.

So yeah, hopefully my questions can be answered now that the fishing for bites is over and done with. Every half-hour of Justice League counts as an individual episode, no matter how it was initially aired. There are 52 episodes from seasons one and two. It just feels like less because virtually every episode was a two-or-three parter. Which is ultimatly why the move to half hour shows was good: we're finally getting our money's-worth out of the episode count.

[Grimlock]

Yes, that's my argument, why are YOU using it? You're the one who's saying "Don't like Justice League? THEN LEAVE!!"
It's called sarcasm...come on matt, you're smarter than that.



When did I say that in this thread? OH, you're talking about another thread! Wait a minute, you're admitting that you purposefully came in this thread to troll me about something completely irrelevent to the subject at hand. That wasn't very bright.
Um, no, i came into this thread to defend someone else you started to patronize. Me bringing up other examples to back my point is called defending myself with FACTS. You should look into them sometime.

What i was discussing wasn't irrelevant, i was asking why you called it "your show," and then you went into attack mode.



Can we get back to the REAL discussion, or does anyone else feel like flinging trash at me for no real reason about stuff that has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEASON RENEWALS??
My comment had to do with your comment on the thread. Everything i've discussed is perfectly relevant to anything YOU'VE said in this thread. So unless you got off topic, i'm on topic.

[Crow]

Cheers, stly!

[Squall]

Every half-hour of Justice League counts as an individual episode, no matter how it was initially aired. There are 52 episodes from seasons one and two. It just feels like less because virtually every episode was a two-or-three parter. Which is ultimatly why the move to half hour shows was good: we're finally getting our money's-worth out of the episode count.
Why does it have to be all half-hour episodes, or all hour-long episodes? I think that we get the most out of JLU's episode count when the decision to make one, two, three (or even four!) parts is made on a story-by-story basis.

For example, there are a few episodes of JL that would have been better off being one parters ("Metamorphosis", "Eclipsed" comes to mind) and a few episodes of JLU that would have been better off being two parters ("Initiation", "Doomsday Sanction" comes to mind).

JLU needs to find balance, not just go all one way or all the other.

[thanos28542]

My question is this, seasons 1 & 2 of JLU were 13 episodes each right? So now that they have added 23 more episodes, are those apart from the 26 episodes so that the new total of JLU episodes is 49? I hope they focus some episodes on members like Red Tornado, Rocket Red, Fire & Ice, Shining Knight,Vigilante & the JSA members should get an episode dedicated just to them. Let's not forget the big red cheese & I hope he throws down w/Supes!