It's Finally Happened... Naruto has been lisenced!

[Grenzer]

Check the front page at ANN. Viz/ShoPro got the license. I'll give my thoughts on the situation later after I have some time to think.

[Beat]

Well, there goes my ginger ale all over the monitor...

[Artimus Gigan]

BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES BOYS, AND START STACKING THOSE SANDBAGS!!!!

PREPARE FOR THE FLOOD AND EVEN THEN IT ALL MIGHT NO BE ENOUGH!!!

so pray...

*rumbling is heard off in the distance*

[Conan-san]

Check the front page at ANN. Viz/ShoPro got the license. I'll give my thoughts on the situation later after I have some time to think. Halea-fugein-Lua! ShoPro! That bumps the chances of us geting it over here (If Rock was any indication)! Now just hope that the WB don't get their hands on it.

[Classic Speedy]

Well there ya go. No 4Kids. That should make a lot of nail-biters happy.

[Conan-san]

Well there ya go. No 4Kids. That should make a lot of nail-biters happy. Well, they could...No, i'm going to shut up. No need to spoil the moment.

[Lord Dalek]

And so ends that grueling chapter.

No more discussion of this........ EVER.

[Catlover]

Hmm. VIZ/Shopro is okay. The only problem I have is the inevitable 3 episode per disk releases.

At least it's not 4Kids. :)

[Artimus Gigan]

I take solice in knowing that Naruto is 100+ episodes long and the DVDs will have the 3 episodes ratio....at 29.99 MSRP...

YAY BROKE ********S...and broke normal people

[silverwings]

On the one hand, NOT 4KIDS! :D

On the other hand... please tell me they won't use the manga translations for techniques in their subtitles. *begs for reassurance* :crying:

Otherwise, not too bad. I'd prefer Funi, but like I've said, not 4kids.

So, how is/are their dubs?

[Artimus Gigan]

So, how is/are their dubs?Viz did Inu-Yasha...

that's a prime example on how naruto could be...

[Conan-san]

Viz did Inu-Yasha...

that's a prime example on how naruto could be... The also did Rockman.exe so let's keep cautious at this point.

[Classic Speedy]

Viz also did the three Fatal Fury movies, which were certainly respectable dubs.

[silverwings]

Viz did Inu-Yasha...

that's a prime example on how naruto could be...Oh my.. Please tell me they won't put Richard Cox as Naruto. :crying:

[Beat]

Naruto has been licensed. Let me take this in for a minute...

OK.

Well, we all knew this day would come. HAHAHAHAHA!

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, we must all wonder where it's going to go.

In the next few days, expect...

Plannings for lots of Naruto plushies.
The Adult Swim message board to be flooded with requests to get the show.
People flipping out that KidsWB will grab it.
Lots of fansubbers getting new jobs.

[silverwings]

Naruto has been licensed. Let me take this in for a minute...

OK.

Well, we all knew this day would come. HAHAHAHAHA!

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, we must all wonder where it's going to go.
The only good thing I could see outta this, airing wise, is that there is a great chance that it'll replace Inuyasha on TV. I mean, they are both Viz shows. Any other Viz shows on CN at the moment? On tv?

[True Noir]

And so ends that grueling chapter.

No more discussion of this........ EVER.
I know what you mean. I'm just happy we won't be having repititive threads and convos. of Naruto and "why it ain't licenced yet".

[livingfruitvirus]

Every Viz dub is done by Ocean Group or Blue Water Studios. So expect one of those two. Probably the former.

[Conan-san]

The only good thing I could see outta this, airing wise, is that there is a great chance that it'll replace Inuyasha on TV. I mean, they are both Viz shows. Any other Viz shows on CN at the moment? On tv? On CN- Iny, on the WB- Megaman.

[Conekiller]

*shrugs shoulders* at least it ain't 4kids! I wonder how long till they'll actually start releasing it. They could have been sitting on it all this time only to release it shortly after the announcement.

as long as Scott McNeil is in it, I'm happy (cuz then the Uzumaki art-book bookmark he signed for my brother will actually be WORTH something ^_^)

[SuperSonicvs]

Oh bloody hell. It's NOT 4kids, but it better go to Adult Swim.

[Quincy Archer]

okay its licesned But remember who gave the first news about the game coming to the US in the fall me so this all was as Agent Smith says enivitable

[Peter Paltridge]

This might be the end of the who-gets-it question, but it's not the end of the whole thing by far. Case in point: this thread will have five pages of posts by tonight.

[PaQ]

woot. Good news. Finally we can start getting it over here. The long process begins. Can't wait to have the dvds. :anime:

[William C. Maune]

Suddenly I think we are going to be watching how ShoPro handles "Zatch Bell" (premiering next month) a lot more closely.

[Conan-san]

Suddenly I think we are going to be watching how ShoPro handles "Zatch Bell" (premiering next month) a lot more closely. Agreed. I just hope they bothier to import it over here.

[livingfruitvirus]

Oh bloody hell. It's NOT 4kids, but it better go to Adult Swim.No one said it would be on tv.

[Duke]

+ 4Kids didn't get it.

- I was hoping to have it shared between ADV/Geneon/FUNi, because I wanted to hear Steven Blum, Justin Cook, and Chris Patton in the same series.

- ADV/FUNi/Geneon would put actual extras on the DVDs...


No one said it would be on tv.
I'm willing to bet SOMEBODY at Williams Street is going to get a major push for it on Toonami...

[Naruffy]

On CN- Iny, on the WB- Megaman.
on 4Kids TV- Sonic X

[Conan-san]

No one said it would be on tv. The phrase "tv rights" were said in the PR along with explisit mentioning of "Tv partners" or such.


on 4Kids TV- Sonic X They had no hand in that, they only gave the rights to Sonic X to 4kids. nothing more.

[silverwings]

I'm not familiar with Viz at all outside Manga, but they leave in the music right? And when is it too early to start speculating on voices? :p

[Beat]

I'm willing to bet SOMEBODY at Williams Street is going to get a major push for it on Toonami...
Quothe the Adult Swim PR representative...

"I think Naruto is an amazing show."

[NickWhiz1]

About time.

Now it's time to find another show for people to complain about being potentially licensed by 4Kids.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

WHO SAID 4KIDS WOULDN'T GET IT??!!!!!!(Me, btw, and I'm sure other people as well).

Dalek, I got your liscensing hell right here.

This is great, I fully expect it to air on Adult Swim now, given that of all the Viz series, Inuyasha is the closest comparison to Naruto. Not to mention Kim Manning thinks Naruto is an amazing show.

I'm really psyched about this now!

[Conekiller]

Suddenly I think we are going to be watching how ShoPro handles "Zatch Bell" (premiering next month) a lot more closely.
not necessarilly, "Zatch Bell" skews a bit younger than Naruto does (at least, based on my observations)

I'm planning on staying optimistic and hoping for at least an Inuyasha style treatment (but hoping for upped Ep per DVD count)

[Naruffy]

The phrase "tv rights" were said in the PR along with explisit mentioning of "Tv partners" or such.

They had no hand in that, they only gave the rights to Sonic X to 4kids. nothing more.
What? Elaborate on that please! Cause from what I know Shopro are the agents for Sonic X not 4Kids or less you would see Sonic X on 4Kids web page listed as one of they're properties!

[Conan-san]

About time.

Now it's time to find another show for people to complain about being potentially licensed by 4Kids. Bleach and Hunter X Hunter, anyone? :D

[Quincy Archer]

About time.

Now it's time to find another show for people to complain about being potentially licensed by 4Kids.

No show on JP TV is THAT popular enough

[Duke]

I'm not familiar with Viz at all outside Manga, but they leave in the music right?Correct. Usually. If it airs on Cartoon Network, then it will most likely retain the original music.


And when is it too early to start speculating on voices? :pStart picking from Ocean Group. That's who will do the dubbing.


Quothe the Adult Swim PR representative...

"I think Naruto is an amazing show."The AS PR respresentative probably thinks a lot of shows are amazing.


What? Elaborate on that please! Cause from what I know Shopro are the agents for Sonic X not 4Kids or less you would see Sonic X on 4Kids web page listed as one of they're properties!4Kids does everything on Sonic X except for DVD Releases, which FUNi does.

[Naruffy]

What is this adult swim talk for they got the licences because they promised to market it to its best so putting it on Adult swim is one of the most dumb founding moves a company can make if they're going to want it to be successful amoung kids!

[livingfruitvirus]

Bleach and Hunter X Hunter, anyone? :DIsn't the latter a little old? Bleach I see being more realistic.

I think 4Kids is on the way down. Their Saturday morning shows are hurting, affiliates are dropping them every month. They're even beginning to appease Cartoon Network with TMNT world premieres because they know they'll want a backup network in case 4Kids TV goes up in smoke.

[Naruffy]

4Kids does everything on Sonic X except for DVD Releases, which FUNi does.
but still your shopro is still the agent for Sonic X if anything happens to sonic X it they're fault!

[William C. Maune]

not necessarilly, "Zatch Bell" skews a bit younger than Naruto does (at least, based on my observations)

Maybe a little younger, but Naruto never really struck me as an adult show either.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Maybe a little younger, but Naruto never really struck me as an adult show either.
But in Japan, Naruto skews older than Inuyasha.

[JTurner954]

Well now I can see what the hype is all about (those Naruto cosplayers I saw last year scared me). Based on the backlash I've heard on 4Kids, I'm glad they didn't get it. However, I kind of wish Funimation got it because I like how their DVD's had the dub subtitles and the literal translation for the Japanese dub. Hopefully Viz will do something similar (one version on DVD; another in the manga?).

Congratulations, VIZ.

[Naruffy]

Isn't the latter a little old? Bleach I see being more realistic.

I think 4Kids is on the way down. Their Saturday morning shows are hurting, affiliates are dropping them every month. They're even beginning to appease Cartoon Network with TMNT world premieres because they know they'll want a backup network in case 4Kids TV goes up in smoke.
4Kids TV is doing well, I don't understand why you guys continue to say that it isn't first of 4Kids Tv gets higher ratings than Jetix and Disney isn't pushing it aside think about it! last week saturday 4Kids TV tied with ABC Kids in Average over all ratings so claim down!

[livingfruitvirus]

But in Japan, Naruto skews older than Inuyasha.Doesn't matter where it skewed in Japan. When shows cross the border, target ages don't transition with them. Naruto is an overall good performing show in Japan from young kids to middle aged adults.

[livingfruitvirus]

4Kids TV is doing well, I don't understand why you guys continue to say that it isn't first of 4Kids Tv gets higher ratings than Jetix and Disney isn't pushing it aside think about it! last week saturday 4Kids TV tied with ABC Kids in Average over all ratings so claim down!Tied with ABC Kids is pretty cool.

[William C. Maune]

Doesn't matter where it skewed in Japan. When shows cross the border, target ages don't transition with them. Naruto is an overall good performing show in Japan from young kids to middle aged adults.

Also the press release specifically says "targeting tweens and teens." Hello Toonami here we come?

[Tay the Cat]

Well there ya go. No 4Kids. That should make a lot of nail-biters happy.

Considering that Viz/ShoPro and 4Kids are dealing partners, it
could possibly... no, I won't say it.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Doesn't matter where it skewed in Japan. When shows cross the border, target ages don't transition with them. Naruto is an overall good performing show in Japan from young kids to middle aged adults.
But so do Inuyasha, FMA, and Detective Conan. And content wise Naruto is in the same category as those as far as uneditable content.

[Jave]

Screw 4Kids, at least it's not DIC.

Viz/Shopro did Inuyasha, right?

[killer2004]

Also the press release specifically says "targeting tweens and teens." Hello Toonami here we come?I won't be surprised if that happens.


Screw 4Kids, at least it's not DIC.
or Nelvana which is worse than both.

[William C. Maune]

But so do Inuyasha, FMA, and Detective Conan. And content wise Naruto is in the same category as those as far as uneditable content.

Also, the press release specifically mentions things like the toys and trading card games. While it doesn't rule it out, it makes it lean more towards a non-adult target.

[Beat]

And here comes the location on TV arguing...

Naruto. Adult Swim. Fall 2005.:evil:

[Naruffy]

Also, the press release specifically mentions things like the toys and trading card games. While it doesn't rule it out, it makes it lean more towards a non-adult target.
Right on the money kid!

[Naruffy]

And here comes the location on TV arguing...

Naruto. Adult Swim. Fall 2005.:evil:
Kids WB Fall 2005!
Toonami Fall 2005!!
4Kids TV Fall 2005!

Either way I don't care, a show is a show in my eyes!

[livingfruitvirus]

And here comes the location on TV arguing...

Naruto. Adult Swim. Fall 2005.:evil:Hmm. Maybe a betting pool is in order.

[William C. Maune]

Naruto. Adult Swim. Fall 2005.:evil:

Sorry man, if the press release just mentioned teens I could see it (and seriously I personnally wouldn't really mind the show being on Adult Swim), but considering they said "tweens and teens," I don't think an adult block is the direction they are going.

[silverwings]

Hmm. Maybe a betting pool is in order.
Could work. Put me down for Late Toonami Slot, Late 2005. :D I'd like to think it go after Kenshin, if they continue the rights to it.

[Killtacular]

Well that sucks for Naruto. It's not VIZ that has Naruto, it's SHOPRO that has Naruto.. the same ShoPro that produced Megaman NT Warrior and Sonic X. The same ShoPro that doesn't release their anime uncut. The same ShoPro that has taken licenses and sat on them. Even though they have merged with Viz they are not obligated to use Viz's resources. They may do it themselves as they have done in the past, and you would all be SCREWED. So before cheering with jubilation maybe you should wait a couple of months to see how this pans out first.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Also, the press release specifically mentions things like the toys and trading card games. While it doesn't rule it out, it makes it lean more towards a non-adult target.
However, they wanted Inuyasha on Toonami, but S&P mandated that it go to AS due to Inuyasha being impaled to the tree, and there's stuff in Naruto that's much more violent than that.

[PaQ]

Personally i'd rather see it on AS than Toonami. I would definitely see it as a YYH type show that could go either way, but I also think it's more intense than Inuyasha at times.

Also I'd rather see it on AS because I'd like the ability to see it on weekdays, since at times the pacing of the show can be something to complain about. And with some of the people I've seen complaining about FMA's pacing, I'd probably guess they'd say the same for this show.

[Naruffy]

Well that sucks for Naruto. It's not VIZ that has Naruto, it's SHOPRO that has Naruto.. the same ShoPro that produced Megaman NT Warrior and Sonic X. The same ShoPro that doesn't release their anime uncut. The same ShoPro that has taken licenses and sat on them. Even though they have merged with Viz they are not obligated to use Viz's resources. They may do it themselves as they have done in the past, and you would all be SCREWED. So before cheering with jubilation maybe you should wait a couple of months to see how this pans out first.
Sweet music to my Ears!

[Killtacular]

Sorry man, if the press release just mentioned teens I could see it (and seriously I personnally wouldn't really mind the show being on Adult Swim), but considering they said "tweens and teens," I don't think an adult block is the direction they are going.
If ShoPro produces the translation themselves, it will definitely be on Toonami. If they hand it to Viz, Viz will probably place it on the block that has given them great success in the past. That's how I see things happening. Before people say "but Adult Swim would be detrimental to merchandise!!" ...just look around you. Inuyasha merchandise certainly exists. Not to mention import sales.

The problem is there's no real precedent here connecting Viz's Shonen Jump manga with either block in terms of Viz's actual CONTROLLED licensing. Oh wait, there is. Adult Swim Pipeline.

[William C. Maune]

Well that sucks for Naruto. It's not VIZ that has Naruto, it's SHOPRO that has Naruto.

ShoPro is Viz now (and vice versa). The merger may not be fully complete yet, but due to the merger there could be just as much Viz involvement here as ShoPro involvement.

[silverwings]

Well that sucks for Naruto. It's not VIZ that has Naruto, it's SHOPRO that has Naruto.. the same ShoPro that produced Megaman NT Warrior and Sonic X. The same ShoPro that doesn't release their anime uncut. The same ShoPro that has taken licenses and sat on them. Even though they have merged with Viz they are not obligated to use Viz's resources. They may do it themselves as they have done in the past, and you would all be SCREWED. So before cheering with jubilation maybe you should wait a couple of months to see how this pans out first.
All my jubilation just went flying out the window... :eek: :crying:

Great... now I can continue to fret until I get a dub cast and where it's going. Thanks. :( :sweat:

[William C. Maune]

If ShoPro produces the translation themselves, it will definitely be on Toonami. If they hand it to Viz, Viz will probably place it on the block that has given them great success in the past. That's how I see things happening. Before people say "but Adult Swim would be detrimental to merchandise!!" ...just look around you. Inuyasha merchandise certainly exists. Not to mention import sales.

I don't think import sales really count for much anything in the big mass market picture. And while Inu Yasha merchandise certainly exists, it isn't nearly as prevalent as other non-adult properties.


The problem is there's no real precedent here connecting Viz's Shonen Jump manga with either block in terms of Viz's actual CONTROLLED licensing. Oh wait, there is. Adult Swim Pipeline.

The same Adult Swim Pipeline that quickly died out a couple years ago?

[Lord Dalek]

Also, the press release specifically mentions things like the toys and trading card games. While it doesn't rule it out, it makes it lean more towards a non-adult target.Yeah, but Case Closed has a CCG coming out and that was on Adult Swim.

Anyway where is Hyper Luigi, he owes me five bucks about Funi getting it.

[Killtacular]

ShoPro is Viz now (and vice versa). The merger may not be fully complete yet, but due to the merger there could be just as much Viz involvement here as ShoPro involvement.
There could be. And then they also could not. You can't just assume anything.


Great... now I can continue to fret until I get a dub cast and where it's going. Thanks.
The dub cast doesn't really matter. Both ShoPro and Viz use the same dubbing studios.


The same Adult Swim Pipeline that quickly died out a couple years ago?
It's the only precedence there is, and Shonen Jump clearly had a "tween/teen" demographic in mind even then. Viz seems to feel that tweens/teens will watch an anime more if it's on a more mature block, a block slightly above their heads, than if it were on a block that talks directly or below to them. Maybe Williams Street would want it on Toonami but it's really not up to them, it's up to CN and the S&P.


Of course I knew that "Viz" had it all along. I kept pointing to that IGN article and noone ever listened to me.

[creativerealms]

Inuyasha is coming to an end on Adult swim soon and will need a replacement. Really I can't see a better replacement then Naruto. I too predict Adult Swim this fall.

[Artimus Gigan]

Yeah, but Case Closed has a CCG coming out and thats on Adult Swim.

Anyway where is Hyper Luigi, he owes me five bucks about Funi getting it.But remember CC=TeH fAiL!!!111

So they're just trying to milk whatever is left of it...

Also I could see Naruto going to Toonami, but it has ziltch of ever going on Adult Swim....if that was the case D.I.C.E. would have AS cards made for it already..

Also Inuyasha has 100+ episodes to go, and if history is a standard, reruns sell

[Jave]

Kids WB Fall 2005!
4Kids TV Fall 2005!Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... hum...

No, seriously. That was priceless...

Back to Naruto...

I'm willing to bet it'll be an Inuyasha kind of dub, which is GOOD. This is probably one of the best options if you wanted the show to air on TV. No 4Kids, no DIC, no Nelvana, this is very good. If we only could hope for uncut DVDs...

[Brent Long]

The way I see this:

VIZ: If ShoPro hands this over to Viz then we won't get song subtitles on the DVDs, original episode title cards, or original opening/closing sequences. We either won't get box sets for a while (In which case we'll get digipaks) or we will never get them at all and have to deal with 3 episode discs at $24.99 and what could very possibly be 250 episodes plus movies and specials.

ShoPro: If ShoPro handles it themselves it might just end up like NT Warrior, but then again this was the first title that they did themselves. I definitely need to check out Zatch Bell before I call this one.

4Kids: Who here seriously does not know what would happen?

[Lord Dalek]

But remember CC=TeH fAiL!!!111Yes, thats why I edited my post FIVE MINUTES AGO... (post time 3:01 =P). Your wind = long.

[William C. Maune]

However, they wanted Inuyasha on Toonami, but S&P mandated that it go to AS due to Inuyasha being impaled to the tree, and there's stuff in Naruto that's much more violent than that.

However, that was also a couple years ago, probably a least a year before they let Yusuke die by being hit by a car in YYH episode one on Toonami. It might be fine these days.

[Artimus Gigan]

Yes, thats why I edited my post FIVE MINUTES AGO... (post time 3:01 =P). Your wind = long.Ah crap my serves must not be synched up then...

[Killtacular]

http://img16.exs.cx/img16/7513/emotsynpa5os.gif

[Killtacular]

However, that was also a couple years ago, probably a least a year before they let Yusuke die by being hit by a car in YYH episode one on Toonami. It might be fine these days.
Except Rurouni Kenshin and YYH premiered on Toonami together and the S&P still did not allow impaling of any kind. So that argument.. doesn't really gel.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

However, that was also a couple years ago, probably a least a year before they let Yusuke die by being hit by a car in YYH episode one on Toonami. It might be fine these days.
Given what they've editted in Kenshin and recent episodes of Hakusho, I can't see Naruto working out. Zabuza and Haku's deaths are far worse than people being bound to trees, we have a guy being impaled through the chest in a long drawn out scene, and a guy dieing after being stabbed with 10 plus swords.

[PowerZord]

Hey, It's better than 4kids, nelvana, or DIC.

Remenber Saint seya?:p

[Artimus Gigan]

Given what they've editted in Kenshin and recent episodes of Hakusho, I can't see Naruto working out. Zabuza and Haku's deaths are far worse than people being bound to trees, we have a guy being impaled through the chest in a long drawn out scene, and a guy dieing after being stabbed with 10 plus swords.Two words:

Blue Blood

Ninjas bleed Kool-Aid

[Tienshin]

Given what they've editted in Kenshin and recent episodes of Hakusho, I can't see Naruto working out...

I haven't seen the series yet and don't know who those people are, but thanks for the spoilers nonetheless!

[Duke]

I haven't seen the series yet and don't know who those people are, but thanks for the spoilers nonetheless!
I have seen the series and yea...a lot of people get stabbed.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I haven't seen the series yet and don't know who those people are, but thanks for the spoilers nonetheless!
But the only people who would know who they are would have already gotten past that point, because I'm mentioning something that occurs very early in the series.

[creativerealms]

No theres like sixty Inu episodes left. I still think that its best chance is as INu's replacement, Adult Swim will need a long lasting popular show with NEW episodes. Inu can still be shown for reruns but new episodes is what draws people. I don't see Naruto fitting anywhere else. Ok maybe the last hour of Toonami when they start to actually let things happen other wise I say AS all the way. Too bad the music will still suck.

[Lord Dalek]

Oh my.. Please tell me they won't put Richard Cox as Naruto. :crying:More like Matt Hill.

I'd wager Scott McNeil as Kakashi

[Lord Dalek]

But the only people who would know who they are would have already gotten past that point, because I'm mentioning something that occurs very early in the series.Still it's a spoiler. Know your brackets kid.

[PowerZord]

On my college, there was a girl watching a Fansub of Naruto in the Open computer lab of the library. of the 3 mins I saw, I don't think it can work for Toonami, believe me.

[Duke]

More like Matt Hill.
Meh, I can't really see that. Scott McNeil might make a decent Naruto. My roommate wants Kelli Sheridan as Sakura and Kirby Morrow as Sasuke.

[creativerealms]

The early episodes are too naughty and the later episodes are too violent.

[Lord Dalek]

Meh, I can't really see that. Scott McNeil might make a decent Naruto. My roommate wants Kelli Sheridan as Sakura and Kirby Morrow as Sasuke.McNeil as Naruto? No way! His voice is too gutteral.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well I was wrong but thank God it wasn't 4kids.

Shizpro get's it eh? Well that's good news IMO. But hopefully they wont have Blue Water dub it. Interesting thing to note... in the press release they say Naruto is targeted at teens and tweens. CN will annouce Naruto this month for sure (it being February) and what's the only tween block? Oh yes... And where is Zatch Bell going? Oh yes... Naruto only Toonami baby. But hey it could be Adult Swim. Good news either way.

So then... FUNimation better get Bleach.

[Juu-kuchi]

DIZZAM! It has happened.




Shizpro get's it eh? Yay, somebody uses the name I gave Viz/Shopro after it's merger.

[Pepperidge]

So this means an Ocean dub? SWEET! Instant semi-CanCon. You hear that, Teletoon?

Oh, and it'll probably go to Adult Swim. There's just no point it making it work on Toonami when the exact same audience is going to watch it either way.

[Killtacular]

Oh, and it'll probably go to Adult Swim. There's just no point it making it work on Toonami when the exact same audience is going to watch it either way.
That's kind of the point I want to make, as well as the point Sean Akins has brought up, and the underlying logic behind Inuyasha and FMA being on Adult Swim in the first place.

[Weatherman]

Well, it's licenced. Yay.


Now we can all stop speculating and enjoy it when it comes out in the fall or something like that. *shrugs*

[Botman]

Well, it's licenced. Yay.


Now we can all stop speculating... Speculating is far from over, my friend...:evil:

As for my opinion: unless it airs on Adult Swim, I'll simply be sticking with the manga. I already gave Toonami a chance with SEED. Better to save me, and other people here a lot of stress.

[Naruffy]

Have you guys ever thought they would want to target both audience at the same time in which they would air it on SAT morning and then on AS night, Somelike what Fox and CN are doing with Family Guy and A-DAD. Like one airs it then the other airs it later! Could happen this way it is Marketed towards kids and is shown to its hard core audience like you guys! even though It makes no sense considering the fact that your getting uncut DVDs!

[Nik Jam]

Let's go CN.

[Lord Dalek]

Speculating is far from over, my friend...:evil:

As for my opinion: unless it airs on Adult Swim, I'll simply be sticking with the manga. I already gave Toonami a chance with SEED. Better to save me, and other people here a lot of stress.Yeah, disco shurikans. Good grief...

[William C. Maune]

As for my opinion: unless it airs on Adult Swim, I'll simply be sticking with the manga. I already gave Toonami a chance with SEED. Better to save me, and other people here a lot of stress.

is Naruto even adult though? Adult Swim should be for adult shows, not just an excuse to show unedited shows. Personnally, I think FMA qualifies as adult enough and while Inu Yasha may not exactly, that was a decision made a few years ago and the acquisitions have gotten more adult since then.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Have you guys ever thought they would want to target both audience at the same time in which they would air it on SAT morning and then on AS night, Somelike what Fox and CN are doing with Family Guy and A-DAD. Like one airs it then the other airs it later! Could happen this way it is Marketed towards kids and is shown to its hard core audience like you guys! even though It makes no sense considering the fact that your getting uncut DVDs!
Having a show air on a kids block and Adult Swim would be a law suit waiting to happen. Airing this on KidsWB makes no sense because they'd just be making senseless edits that would make the plot incomprehensible. It'll air on AS because that's where its target audience watches.

[Artimus Gigan]

is Naruto even adult though? Adult Swim should be for adult shows, not just an excuse to show unedited shows. Personnally, I think FMA qualifies as adult enough and while Inu Yasha may not exactly, that was a decision made a few years ago and the acquisitions have gotten more adult since then.Or put it like this

Does Naruto have more bloodshed than Jungle Cruise?

No, so therefore toonami bound

[Jude Santos]

Finally, it's licensed. It's like an era just ended...

Anyhow, Viz/Shopro (Viz) has done Maison Ikkoku, Ranma 1/2, Hana Yori Dango, Saikano, and Corrector Yui (ShoPro). There's more titles than InuYasha you guys know (and MMNT)...

[Funkatron]

Without breaking the Rules of the board, I'll say this: its not adult per say. But it has a lot of mature overtones and plenty of violence. Stabbings, death and horny old guys(ok, its only one guy). Plus a whole revenge speil I can't mention.

Now, all I want to know is when are we getting it dubbed? I want DVD's!!!

[Keiichi]

I'm glad 4kids did'nt get it but I'm not too excited about Shopro getting it either. Just going to sit back now and wait and see how everything plays out from here on in.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

is Naruto even adult though? Adult Swim should be for adult shows, not just an excuse to show unedited shows. Personnally, I think FMA qualifies as adult enough and while Inu Yasha may not exactly, that was a decision made a few years ago and the acquisitions have gotten more adult since then.
Yeah, I think its below FMA, but definitely above Inuyasha as far as being adult. And its above Kenshin, which Akins said should have gone to AS.

[Artimus Gigan]

Without breaking the Rules of the board, I'll say this: its not adult per say. But it has a lot of mature overtones and plenty of violence. Stabbings, death and horny old guys(ok, its only one guy). Plus a whole revenge speil I can't mention.It's not so much the themes, but moreso to the extent that they take them too.

I mean for instance Battle Royale has many of thsoe same themes but takes them much farther than Naruto

[PaQ]

I really don't see the difference in tones with FMA and Naruto. Although I think Naruto carries emotion better and is arguably a better, more entertaining series at points.

[Botman]

Is Naruto even adult though? Adult Swim should be for adult shows, not just an excuse to show unedited shows.
I partially agree with you, but it doesn't mean I'm going to act on it.

Remember, you're talking to someone who quit watching Yu Yu Hakusho after it moved to Toonami. (I've just now started watching Chapter Black on DVD.)

I shouldn't push myself to watch it, cause I'll just complain about the edits, like I did with SEED, and it would just cause a lot of grief on both sides.

So, yeah. I'll stick with the manga, and hope at least that remains uncut.

[William C. Maune]

Yeah, I think its below FMA, but definitely above Inuyasha as far as being adult. And its above Kenshin, which Akins said should have gone to AS.

He never said it should have gone to AS, at least not that specifically. He said that in hindsight considering it didn't work as expected on Toonami that they should have perhaps tried AS instead. And there was no indication that it would have been successful on AS either.

[Pepperidge]

is Naruto even adult though? Adult Swim should be for adult shows, not just an excuse to show unedited shows. Personnally, I think FMA qualifies as adult enough and while Inu Yasha may not exactly, that was a decision made a few years ago and the acquisitions have gotten more adult since then.
It's about the same level as FMA. It would work just fine.

Of course, they may just go and completely change the whole way anime is marketed on CN just for Naruto. We don't know. I'm just hoping that any editing is done by CN personally so that other English speaking markets don't have to put up with a potentially butchered version.

[Keiichi]

I really don't see the difference in tones with FMA and Naruto. Although I think Naruto carries emotion better and is arguably a better, more entertaining series at points.
FMA is alot darker than Naruto and can be really depressing at times.

[Arxane]

Good news:

It's finally licensed. Yay. And it's not 4Kids. Double yay.

Not-so-good news:

It was Viz. I don't hate Viz like other people do, but now I won't be able to step in the AoD forums for who knows how long. Dear God, the wank is going to be astronomical...

[KuwabaraTheMan]

He never said it should have gone to AS, at least not that specifically. He said that in hindsight considering it didn't work as expected on Toonami that they should have perhaps tried AS instead. And there was no indication that it would have been successful on AS either.
However, its much closer to FMA, than to Inuyasha or Kenshin. I'd say FMA has a leg up on it due to certain themes that I've seen in it, but they're pretty close, over all. Its certainly much more adult than Kenshin was.

[AstroNerdBoy]

Well there ya go. No 4Kids. That should make a lot of nail-biters happy.
Well, this is Viz we are talking about, so while an improvement, it still has a way to go. :p

Then again, this could be Viz's way of showing me that they are going to do a title right, dubs AND subs!

[Fresh V]

So, it's finally happened. The "licensing hell" finally got licensed by Viz/Shopro.

Woah, I came home and here was this shocking thread looking me in the eye. It's amazing it's finally happened.....

Thank god it's not 4Kids. Woulda preferred FUNi, but I'm not complaining. Still, wow, it's finally happened.....

EDIT: This shocking news gets my 500th post.:cool: This means I am halfway to on of my New Year's Resolution of getting 1000 posts or more!

[Zero Kagayaki]

yay.....no more who will license naruto topic

[Duke]

Where it'll go depends on what ShoPro/Viz wants to do with it. Do they want to make it like InuYasha, where it's considered a success but isn't a giant marketing machine; or do they want to market it to the existing fans of manga as well as casual anime fans; or do they want to turn it into the next DBZ/Pokemon/YGO?

Regardless, it's not ShoPro/Viz who will decide, it will be the CN brass that decides (with input from Williams Street).

[Kenshin5000]

Where it'll go depends on what ShoPro/Viz wants to do with it. Do they want to make it like InuYasha, where it's considered a success but isn't a giant marketing machine; or do they want to market it to the existing fans of manga as well as casual anime fans; or do they want to turn it into the next DBZ/Pokemon/YGO?

Regardless, it's not ShoPro/Viz who will decide, it will be the CN brass that decides (with input from Williams Street).
If I were CN/Viz, I would definitely go the route of pushing the show a la DBZ, but not dumbing it down like what happened with Saban's first two seasons. Make sure that people die and don't simply go to the "Next Dimension".

If they play their cards right, Naruto could easily be a marketable but still enjoyable giant.

[silverwings]

If I were CN/Viz, I would definitely go the route of pushing the show a la DBZ, but not dumbing it down like what happened with Saban's first two seasons. Make sure that people die and don't simply go to the "Next Dimension".

If they play their cards right, Naruto could easily be a marketable but still enjoyable giant.
Exactly. I don't see why it can't just air on Toonami towards the end, like where YYH, GT, and Kenshin are.

[William C. Maune]

Exactly. I don't see why it can't just air on Toonami towards the end, like where YYH, GT, and Kenshin are.

Especially considering the press release describes it like this:

"Through their adventures, the young ninjas learn the importance of friendship, teamwork, loyalty, hard work, creativity, ingenuity, and right vs. wrong."

[silverwings]

Especially considering the press release describes it like this:

"Through their adventures, the young ninjas learn the importance of friendship, teamwork, loyalty, hard work, creativity, ingenuity, and right vs. wrong."
Can't you say the same thing for Yu Yu Hakusho? :p

[William C. Maune]

Can't you say the same thing for Yu Yu Hakusho? :p

Exactly my point, the description isn't really befitting of a show that would be targeted at Adult Swim.

[silverwings]

Exactly my point, the description isn't really befitting of a show that would be targeted at Adult Swim.
Even though that show started on AS...

But anyways, I was saying that Naruto could air where YYH, Kenshin, GT, etc. are airing. That's not AS, that's late toonami, right? :p

[William C. Maune]

Even though that show started on AS...

And then was later booted off of AS.


But anyways, I was saying that Naruto could air where YYH, Kenshin, GT, etc. are airing. That's not AS, that's late toonami, right? :p

That's what I'm pretty much thinking as well. I think we actually agree for the most part here.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

But if you exclude the word ninja you could just as easily use that description for Inuyasha, FMA, or Case Closed. The show itself deals with themes that kids cannot handle. It has to go to AS.

[Kenshin5000]

I am all for Naruto airing on Toonami, since I think a show that is obviously as universally enjoyable it is (simply look at the fanbase that was created for it from FANSUBS ALONE) deserves an even bigger fanbase. Similar to, if not larger, than DBZ.

In essence, I want Naruto to get so big that it'll end up on the cover of Time magazine.

[silverwings]

That's what I'm pretty much thinking as well. I think we actually agree for the most part here.
Yep. :anime:

Oh, and are Ocean and Blue Water the same or are they different companies?

[Teek]

This is good to hear, a good company and a good chance it will go to Cartoon Network.

[William C. Maune]

But if you exclude the word ninja you could just as easily use that description for Inuyasha, FMA, or Case Closed. The show itself deals with themes that kids cannot handle. It has to go to AS.

Those words could be used to describe a lot of series, such as FMA and Case Closed, but I don't think those words describe the main themes of those series. (As for Inu Yasha, I don't really count it because it went to AS a few years ago now and I think the nature of their acquisitions has changed since then).

[William C. Maune]

Oh, and are Ocean and Blue Water the same or are they different companies?

They are two different dubbing studios owned by the same overall company.

Blue Water did things like G Gundam and Zoids: Chaotic Century.

Ocean did things like Gundam SEED and the first two seasons of Dragonball Z.

[LordByronius]

Tweens and teens? Yup, Toonami.

Adult Swim doesn't give a damn about those numbers; if they did, Inuyasha would take up half the block and Case Closed would get a new season.

[UberMonkey]

Hmm. You'd almost think after being liscensed we'd know more for certain. I think the real underlying factor about where the show will end up is how ShoPro handles the series.

I agree with the comment Maune made early on, I'm going to be looking closely at Zatch Bell.

[drakh]

The dub cast doesn't really matter. Both ShoPro and Viz use the same dubbing studios. Though different script adapters. Inuyasha was mostly done by Ocean's regular writers, while on Megaman NT Warrior ShoPro used the Digimon writing team (Mary McGlynn, Steve Blum) and then later switched to the ones from Lupin III (Grant Moran, Darlene Waddington).

[livingfruitvirus]

http://img239.exs.cx/img239/9507/pic025180xc.jpg

[Beat]

Get used to it LFV. Questions of where Naruto is headed will spread across the net like locusts.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Naruto = Miguzi'd if they want a mass market thing for it. Unless Toonami goes 5 days a week for Naruto it wont reach the mass audience it needs

[Chad Bonin]

He never said it should have gone to AS, at least not that specifically. He said that in hindsight considering it didn't work as expected on Toonami that they should have perhaps tried AS instead. And there was no indication that it would have been successful on AS either.And Kenshin's been doing really darn decently at 10:30 on Toonami now...

[Demon_Child]

I have to admit I am really shocked by this development. I was not expecting this to happen so soon. But I am glad it's finally over.

For T.V. I assume that it will go on Toonami and I think that is where it belongs. For all those naysayers you have to remember it will probably be a long time before we see on T.V. or DVD. Standards could change.

Also Naruto is probably the most popular FanSub anime ever. This gives it an advantage. If fans were to protest anything and refuse to buy it due to the large fanbase this could probably signigicantly damage sales. So something tells me that this release will be dictated very much by the fans.

[livingfruitvirus]

Naruto = Miguzi'd if they want a mass market thing for it. Unless Toonami goes 5 days a week for Naruto it wont reach the mass audience it needsThis is just an overall, difficult to market show. I'm surprised Viz stuck with Ranma 1/2 the whole way through.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Yeah, but Naruto aims quite a bit older than Kenshin. There are no episodes about circuses and other crap like that. And Sannin fight is a hundred times more mature than Kyoto Arc.

[Yash]

And while everyone's trapped in the midst of shock, I'll take the opportunity to call edit lists/talkbacks.

Owned.

[LordByronius]

Yeah, but Naruto aims quite a bit older than Kenshin. There are no episodes about circuses and other crap like that. And Sannin fight is a hundred times more mature than Kyoto Arc.
No. No it isn't.

Naruto isn't any more "mature" than any other Shonen Jump show ever made in the history of Shonen Jump shows.

In fact, it's about the same.

In One Piece, characters get shot by flintlock rifles. In Kenshin, characters get stabbed by swords. In Naruto, characters get scorched with ninja magic and stabbed with throwing stars and kunai.

I'm getting really tired of this "MORE MATURE" stuff. Because it isn't.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

No. No it isn't.

Naruto isn't any more "mature" than any other Shonen Jump show ever made in the history of Shonen Jump shows.

In fact, it's about the same.

In One Piece, characters get shot by flintlock rifles. In Kenshin, characters get stabbed by swords. In Naruto, characters get scorched with ninja magic and stabbed with throwing stars and kunai.

I'm getting really tired of this "MORE MATURE" stuff. Because it isn't.
I'm talking about how in that arc characters get drugged up(which is important to the plot), a woman is repeatedly stabbed through the chest, and there's a lot of really violent and depressing flashbacks.

And saying that Naruto is on the same maturity as any other Shonen Jump series is quite frankly, asinine. Naruto is clearly more mature than series like Yugiou, Hikaru no Go, and Dragonball. And I personally think its one of the more mature series to run in Shonen Jump.

It isn't acceptable to air at TV-Y7, its just impossible to do that.

[Arxane]

Just a reminder, if the Venture Bros. fansite (http://venture.mancubus.net/) is correct:

Cartoon Network's annual up-front breakfast, where they announce their plans for the year, will be tomorrow.

Maybe they'll mention Naruto then...

...maybe...

...please, God, let them...

[Beat]

Just a reminder, if the Venture Bros. fansite (http://venture.mancubus.net/) is correct:

Cartoon Network's annual up-front breakfast, where they announce their plans for the year, will be tomorrow.

Maybe they'll mention Naruto then...

...maybe...

...please, God, let them...
That would be the quickest turnaround from license to TV deal in a long time.

[Kenshin5000]

That would be the quickest turnaround from license to TV deal in a long time. If any series deserves it (at least judging by the built-in fanbase), it would be Naruto.

[LordByronius]

I'm talking about how in that arc characters get drugged up(which is important to the plot), a woman is repeatedly stabbed through the chest, and there's a lot of really violent and depressing flashbacks.

And saying that Naruto is on the same maturity as any other Shonen Jump series is quite frankly, asinine. Naruto is clearly more mature than series like Yugiou, Hikaru no Go, and Dragonball. And I personally think its one of the more mature series to run in Shonen Jump.

It isn't acceptable to air at TV-Y7, its just impossible to do that.
You're taking spoilerific incidents out of context and making them seem worse than they really are. Many of them are done offscreen or in some other stylized manner to reduce its impact. The especially dark scenes last mere seconds.

That's kinda what Shounen Jump titles are about. Stylized, fantasy violence. Yeah, it's more "mature" than Hikaru no Go in the sense that Go playing rarely involves bloodshed, but from a marketing standpoint they attract about the same age bracket.

[JohnCrichton]

Adult Swim is already more than fortified, Miguizi's flying high and Toonami needs an injection of power.

I say it goes to Toonami, because first and foremost, Naruto isn't strictly an adult anime. It's for little kids on up and they deserve to enjoy the anime just as much as us cratchety old adults.

Bleach seems a better fit and more rightful to the throne of Inuyasha.

Here's for hoping and I join in the sentiments...... that the LORD 4Kids didn't get it! :sweat:

[Artimus Gigan]

If it's directly related to SJ then history has said that Toonami is the place.


History always wins, I predict schedual

8:00, Teen Titans
8:30, JLU
9:00, MEGAS
9:30, DBGT
10:00, RK
10:30, Naruto

However no one has thought about G4Tech TV picking the series up...
I mean think about it....13 episodes repeated constantly, they could do it.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

You're taking spoilerific incidents out of context and making them seem worse than they really are. Many of them are done offscreen or in some other stylized manner to reduce its impact. The especially dark scenes last mere seconds.

That's kinda what Shounen Jump titles are about. Stylized, fantasy violence. Yeah, it's more "mature" than Hikaru no Go in the sense that Go playing rarely involves bloodshed, but from a marketing standpoint they attract about the same age bracket.
I'd hardly consider Gaara's three episode flashback as "mere seconds". Nor the fight between Kakashi and Zabuza, or the flasbhacks to Dan and Nabiki's deaths. These scenes are each the focus of their parts of the series, and are all really dark. Especially the third example, which absolutely can't get by on Toonami. You can't show a 12 year olds mangled corpse.

[chris3116]

Naruto will be bought by YTV. YTV, put it on BIONIX. It will be UNCUT in Canada. :evil: HAIL YTV who doesn't edit their proprities. Teletoon won't buy that.

My dream comes true Ocean Group (Westwood Studio) will dub the anime. Scott McNeil must be there. Kakashi = Scott McNeil.

For Naruto, I don't really know who will get the role. Rock Lee might be done by Brad Swaile. I can see Orochimaru done by Brian Drummond.

Great News. At last, 4Shame won't destroy it.

[Artimus Gigan]

You can't show a 12 year olds mangled corpse.Yes you can, just you the dodge/burn tool in the film editor and only have it visable for a few seconds...

besides the corpse really isn't all that detailed to begin with, it's not like those BGC Zombie Robot Hooker creatures

besides there is this equation set in stone forevermore:

Twelve Kingdoms>Naruto in terms of everything.

She goes psycho for O-

[killer2004]

Naruto will be bought by YTV. YTV, put it on BIONIX. It will be UNCUT in Canada. :evil: HAIL YTV who doesn't edit their proprities. Teletoon won't buy that.

My dream comes true Ocean Group (Westwood Studio) will dub the anime. Scott McNeil must be there. Kakashi = Scott McNeil.

For Naruto, I don't really know who will get the role. Rock Lee might be done by Brad Swaile. I can see Orochimaru done by Brian Drummond.

Great News. At last, 4Shame won't destroy it.
That's it! I'm moving to Canada! lol.

[LordByronius]

Dear KuwabaraTheMan:

Did you hear of this thing, called "digital paint"? It can work wonders. It can do all kinds of things, especially on shows that are on this format called "digibeta." It's been done before, and in some cases been quite successful.

And please, I'll be ignoring any "OMG WILLIAMS STREET RUINED SEED/KENSHIN WITH THEIR EDITS" because no, they didn't.

[kaine23]

That would be the quickest turnaround from license to TV deal in a long time. Would ya expect anything les sof a property like Naruto?

Well, this is good news, least not 4Shame and good that Naruto's manga and anime are in the same hands.

[Mog]

Adult Swim is already more than fortified, Miguizi's flying high and Toonami needs an injection of power.

I say it goes to Toonami, because first and foremost, Naruto isn't strictly an adult anime. It's for little kids on up and they deserve to enjoy the anime just as much as us cratchety old adults.

Bleach seems a better fit and more rightful to the throne of Inuyasha.

Here's for hoping and I join in the sentiments...... that the LORD 4Kids didn't get it! :sweat:
Yeah, I also think Bleach would make a much better IY replacement. Naruto should go to late Toonami so the edits would be minimal, hopefully as the AS lead-in. Maybe in a year or two we could have Naruto and Bleach back-to-back.

Big maybe.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Dear KuwabaraTheMan:

Did you hear of this thing, called "digital paint"? It can work wonders. It can do all kinds of things, especially on shows that are on this format called "digibeta." It's been done before, and in some cases been quite successful.

And please, I'll be ignoring any "OMG WILLIAMS STREET RUINED SEED/KENSHIN WITH THEIR EDITS" because no, they didn't.
Yes, but the point is that these things are important to the plot. Joe pilot's Astray getting blown up in SEED isn't important to the overall plot, Nabiki and especially Dan's deaths are. They have the technology to edit it, but the fact is that it would make the plot impossible to follow.

[Tash]

And while everyone's trapped in the midst of shock, I'll take the opportunity to call edit lists/talkbacks.

Owned.Normally, that would work. In the case of Naruto, it won't. No matter how soon you THINK you call edits lists/talkbacks, someone else already did. All hail the only show on television that gets edit lists called before it's even been licenced!

[Artemis]

Well the good news, it's finally licensed. Yay. And it's not 4Kids! Double yay.

The bad news is, it's licensed by Viz/Shopro. OK, while that's not inherently bad news, it's bad news because it means Animaze won't be doing the dub. And Steve Blum doing the voice of Kakashi fit so darn well.

Well, I guess it doesn't matter that much. Brian Drummond was the next best choice, anyway. Here's hoping the casting director in charge of Naruto's dub is smart.

[Menion420]

Im glad 4kids didnt get their hands on Naruto but it does kind of suck thinking about the new justsu names the anime is gonna have. Since Viz changed a lot of the names in the manga we will undoubtedly see them in the anime as well... but nevertheless it could be worse.

[Teek]

Nabiki and especially Dan's deathsNawaki.

The Naruto anime isn't so mature so as to push it to Adult Swim or anything, sure there are deaths and blood, but this isn't the Naruto manga were talking about. The anime series has already been toned down a whole heck of a lot from the manga. Digital paint can get rid of a majority of the blood, it would be a shame for it to be edited with digital paint and have shots cut, but in the scheme of things I would worry more about a loss of emotion and fun in the dubbing before stuff being edited out.

[InfinityBlade]

Gahhh. This was sudden.

I just hope WHERE it goes is announced quickly. So that we don't have to deal with hearing about it. :p

So long as it's more Inuyasha and less Megaman NT Warrior, we should (hopefully) be fine.

[Duke]

And while everyone's trapped in the midst of shock, I'll take the opportunity to call edit lists/talkbacks.

Owned.
I called the Talkbacks a few hours ago in the News forum. Maune, Knux, and Karl (aka my posse) can back me up on that. :cool:

Anyway,


Yeah, but Naruto aims quite a bit older than Kenshin. There are no episodes about circuses and other crap like that. And Sannin fight is a hundred times more mature than Kyoto Arc.
Yes, that's why we have episodes like any episode with "Sexy no Jutsu" in it, episodes like the clip show where Naruto makes fun of Sasuke, and the episode where Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke dress up as random ninja grunts in order to see what Kakashi looks like under the mask. While a horse grins widely with cartoony eyes.

[KnightusMaximus]

Having a show air on a kids block and Adult Swim would be a law suit waiting to happen. Airing this on KidsWB makes no sense because they'd just be making senseless edits that would make the plot incomprehensible. It'll air on AS because that's where its target audience watches.While its true that large numbers of teens and even tweens watch [adult swim], Inuyasha & FMA survive based off of their adult ratings. While say Case Closed's adult ratings were merely adequate, it usually averaged 600K teens a week (http://69.20.6.242/news2004/Jul04/Jul06/5_fri/news4friday.html) while it was still in premieres, which was ironically almost double its 18-34 numbers. So Case Closed really, really, really would've benefited from airing on Toonami if it were possible. But it wasn't, for reasons of S&P, and while the Case Closed CCG was a logical outgrowth to target those oh-so-many teens who watched, it of course doesn't help that show's future.

Putting Naruto on [adult swim], forgetting about the possibility of pressure from S&P (because if that's the case, then there's no real other factor that matters), would mean that ShoPro is confident in the adult demographic as the core audience of the show and teens/tweens as merely complimentary.

[herbkir]

Many here seem to assume that because Shopro and Viz are going to merge, that this gives CN an inside track on getting the Naruto USA TV rights. That's not a sure thing. Yes, CN is the biggest USA anime TV outlet there is. But if another network was willing to chop the living hell out of Naruto to get a TV-Y7 rating, there are other places where such a big-name property might run. While the real anime fans would scream bloody murder on the animation fanboards, the hordes of kids who don't know any better might still find Naruto a neat show even if it were edited to TV-Y7. (^_*)

[Beat]

If Naruto could work at TV-Y7, then 4Kids would have bought the rights a long time ago.

[Matsuo]

I have to say, I've been following Naruto for some time now. And as long as the current manga is made available I don't need the anime, since It'd take maybe a year, or more, to get to the current point of the anime (episode 121 was it?)

So, anyways. Given what I think the series would be pitched at, in terms of age, I'd think it's Toonami bound for sure. I'm leaning more towards it replacing GT or Kenshin on that Saturday block than having it on earlier in the day. But overall, a few edits will be made. I'm not sure how certain stabbity things will get edited, as some can be a tad graphic. I'm sure I could go through the series, and find a few places where minor blood edits can be made like...

But overal, my opinion is leaning on the super Toonami block. God save us if it goes Miguzi.

[Quincy Archer]

If Naruto could work at TV-Y7, then 4Kids would have bought the rights a long time ago.
Gundam SEED
Yu Yu Hakusho
Rurouni Kenshin
One Piece
want me to go on ;)

[Yash]

I called the Talkbacks a few hours ago in the News forum. Maune, Knux, and Karl (aka my posse) can back me up on that. :cool:

Feh, I still get edit lists...

[JohnCrichton]

Before people counter with, "Well Gundam SEED tanked!"

Gundam SEED was boring as hell at the beginning. Only those of mature mind saw the greatness in it.

Naruto on the other hand has mad ninja action that kicks yer arse right out of the box.

Naruto can work.

And Toonami will be great once again.

[Beat]

Gundam SEED
Yu Yu Hakusho
Rurouni Kenshin
One Piece
want me to go on ;) Tanked...
Stalled.
Tanked...
Mega Tanked...

1 out of 4 on the hit list. I don't want Naruto to make it 1 out of 5.

[Duke]

But overal, my opinion is leaning on the super Toonami block. God save us if it goes Miguzi.
If it went to Miguzi, then the press release would mention little kids. It didn't. Plus, Miguzi apparently wants to be as anime-free as possible (otherwise D.I.C.E. would've gone there).

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Gundam SEED
Yu Yu Hakusho
Rurouni Kenshin
One Piece
want me to go on ;)
Naruto's more violent than any of those are, and Hakusho is the only one of those with success anyways. Naruto cannot be editted to a Y7 level, and even if it could, kids would hate it like they hated SEED and Kenshin. Naruto has too much talking and thinking involved for kids tastes.

What kind of kid wants to watch 3 episode long flashbacks in their anime? None.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

This is just an overall, difficult to market show. I'm surprised Viz stuck with Ranma 1/2 the whole way through.

DBZ it

there will be uncut dvds regardless so hook the kids with the hackjob and get the dvd sales you would have gotten anyway


If it went to Miguzi, then the press release would mention little kids. It didn't. Plus, Miguzi apparently wants to be as anime-free as possible (otherwise D.I.C.E. would've gone there).

DICE isn't anime :confused:

[shoujoaifan]

It. Is. OVER.













SOOOOOOOOOOO.....how long do we have to put up with countless threads of "Where's Naruto Going?!!123", and perhaps even more importantly, what's the NEXT SERIES everyone will stress out while hoping 4Kids doesn't get it?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

It would air on Toonami before moving to Miguzi anyway. CN doesn't premiere animes on a once a week basis out of Toonami except for when they are already 6-11 winners. In which case... that would be just Rave Master.

Naruto could absolutely take the 10 or 10:30 slot of Toonami.

I'd be very happy happy happy if Toonami in Fall of 2005 looked a little something like this...

07:00 - Kids action show of some sort (preferably not DICE season 2)
07:30 - Teen Titans
08:00 - Megas XLR
08:30 - Justice League Unlimited
09:00 - Zatch Bell
09:30 - Dragonball Z
10:00 - Rurouni Kenshin, Yu Yu Hakusho, other anime
10:30 - Naruto

Or on the slim chance Gundam comes back... it could take 10:30 and Naruto could have 10PM.

The discription, age target, and the little bit on Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke points towards Toonami. And I couldn't be happier.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

It. Is. OVER.













SOOOOOOOOOOO.....how long do we have to put up with countless threads of "Where's Naruto Going?!!123", and perhaps even more importantly, what's the NEXT SERIES everyone will stress out while hoping 4Kids doesn't get it?
Good question. Nothing seems too likely for 4kids. On the off chance they may be interested in Bleach. But if they didn't get Naruto... Why would they get Bleach? FUNi or someone random will get Bleach. Maybe Geneon... having the edge in.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

It would air on Toonami before moving to Miguzi anyway. CN doesn't premiere animes on a once a week basis out of Toonami except for when they are already 6-11 winners.

like I said DBZ it :p buy 26/52 episodes and run them 7 days a week Miguzi is all about reruns and its ratings go up anyway so why premiere them once a week to low ratings instead of 7 to get to the sweet rerun ratings?

[Discloner]

Tanked... Because it's slow...and it was on once a week. I wholeheartedly think the show would have a slightly bigger audiences if we didn't have to wait 3 weeks to get a character's reaction to an event out of his system.

Stalled. Stalled? Says who? Last time I checked YYH was holding it's own.

Tanked... Tanked shows don't "get a ticket". SEED is on at 1am, because it's ratings were pretty bad. If Kenshin's were just as bad...something else would be taking it's place. Additionally, did you not catch the thread over on the Toonami forum? Kenshin was the 27th most watched cable program for teens 12-17. I hardly see how that's 'tanked'. If you're reffering to it's first removal from Toonami...I thought Akins cleared that up as the show was skewing higher then they wanted, and as you probably know but refuse to acknowledge, Toonami HAS aged up since.


Mega Tanked...Well duh...it's dubbed by 4Kids and it's on '4KidsTV'. You expected it to succeed?

As for whether or not Naturo will wind up on Toonami...is beyond me. I've never seen a single moving frame from the series, so I really can't judge. So I guess all I've got to do is sit back and wait for them to announce where it goes. Judging by the Press release...it's Toonami bound...but really, its trivial to get all stressed out over where it'll wind up airing.

[Matsuo]

Good question. Nothing seems too likely for 4kids. On the off chance they may be interested in Bleach. But if they didn't get Naruto... Why would they get Bleach? FUNi or someone random will get Bleach. Maybe Geneon... having the edge in.
Naw, I think Bleach won't go 4Kids. It's a lot like Naruto in some respects and it's manga rights are owned by Viz, just like Naruto. And I think it's a tad too early to be thinking about it.

4Kids getting Aah! My Goddess TV? Hot.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

like I said DBZ it :p buy 26/52 episodes and run them 7 days a week Miguzi is all about reruns and its ratings go up anyway so why premiere them once a week to low ratings instead of 7 to get to the sweet rerun ratings?
A. Miguzi won't air anime, cancelled made a point of that sometime last year. Also, the one time they tried airing an anime, it was the worst ratings in Miguzi's history.

2. Naruto is way too much for Miguzi. It could possibly work on Toonami if TV-PG were allowed, but Miguzi? A show about kids being trained as assassins simply doesn't work for daytime television.

III. Why would you actively encourage a company to hackdub a show? That's just stupid.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I see the most likely candidates in SJ's line-up for 4kids now are Beet and Legendz (there is an anime apparently). Neither for this Fall though.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

A. Miguzi won't air anime, cancelled made a point of that sometime last year. Also, the one time they tried airing an anime, it was the worst ratings in Miguzi's history.

Rave Master?


III. Why would you actively encourage a company to hackdub a show? That's just stupid.

not encouraging just saying the ways to mass market it I'm sure they don't want it to "flop" like OP and to be bigger then IY

[Duke]

I see the most likely candidates in SJ's line-up for 4kids now are Beet and Legendz (there is an anime apparently). Neither for this Fall though.
I believe the Legendz anime has been airing for months.

[KnightusMaximus]

Rave Master?
He could be distinguishing weekday Miguzi from Saturday Miguzi (Cartoon Network does like to throw all of its anime on Saturday nights, regardless of whatever block it ends up in)

ICV2 said Cartoon Network thought anime skewed too old Monday-Friday from 5PM-7PM, and that played a big role in the creation of Miguzi. I don't know if that's true but I assume the block will be stay dominated by mostly American shows in the future as well.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Rave Master?

I'm not counting that since it isn't a part of this rerun seven times a week Miguzi you're advocationg. 6:30 PM on Saturdays isn't exactly a ratings hotbed. They used to air freaking' mucha Lucha there, for gods sake.

Energon was a disaster when it aired on Miguzi. And TMNT's ratings have apparently not been as great recently, showing that kids most likely don't enjoy the continuing story aspect, and prefer shows like Static and Totaly Spies where they don't have to think. Naruto has subplots and long story arcs.




not encouraging just saying the ways to mass market it I'm sure they don't want it to "flop" like OP and to be bigger then IY
One Piece flopped BECAUSE it was a hackdub, though.And Inuyasha is for the most part a faithful dub(outside of "Backlash Wave" and a couple other things.) So what point are you trying to make here?

[Arxane]

Naw, I think Bleach won't go 4Kids. It's a lot like Naruto in some respects and it's manga rights are owned by Viz, just like Naruto.
Manga rights do not automatically mean the company will get the anime rights. Best example? One Piece.


And I think it's a tad too early to be thinking about it. Seconded.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

One Piece flopped BECAUSE it was a hackdub, though.And Inuyasha is for the most part a faithful dub(outside of "Backlash Wave" and a couple other things.) So what point are you trying to make here?

OP uncut dvds wont be a flop...

[GWOtaku]

First of all, very good news. 4Kids doesn't have it, and if Viz handles things the way it did Inu-Yasha then things will turn out pretty well. The DVD release may be irritating if they go with that three-episode-per-disc format, but if nothing else fans can hold out for boxsets. Its a promising outcome.

Second of all, concerning TV rights the reasoning I have witnessed in this topic confounds me. People have spent how long wringing their hands over Naruto being dumbed down for little kids, and now that it's licensed some of you want it a block primarily concerned with the 6-11 demographic? Don't be ridiculous. I am sorry, but picking out three isolated examples of less-than-mature moments doesn't cut it in terms of proving that Naruto is a kids' show. This is not a series on the same plane as Rave Master, or Megas, or Teen Titans, or TMNT.

Look, if nothing else Naruto is as much, and probably MORE violent than Ruruoni Kenshin, Inu-Yasha, and yes even Yu Yu Hakusho. Never mind the storyline. Don't believe it? I can easily PM numerous examples. Before you insist that Toonami or even Miguzi is the only proper home for Naruto, remember the extent to which Kenshin and even Gundam Seed have been drastically edited to make it work for the "target demographic." If the past is any indiction whatsoever, Naruto will never get by there without significant edits.

It seems to me that those who want this on Toonami want it there because they want to save the block from its state of medocrity compared to Adult Swim. With the current standards for the block, this is impossible. No I do not hate Toonami, there was a time when I liked it as much as the next person. Back in the time when it pushed the envelope and was serious about great programming as opposed to keeping the kiddies happy. Back when calling it an "experiment" was more than fanboy rhetoric. Today it instead persists in a perpetual, hazy status quo where it flails about trying to be both a kids' and a teen block, being the best of neither world. Adult Swim now does what it used to do. Naruto will not air as it should on Toonami unless the CN folks rethink its purpose, but they had a chance to do this with Gundam Seed and failed the test miserably. I see no reason why I or anyone else for that matter should believe things will be different this time. Instead of adhering to block loyalty, praying that one day it will reverse the trend its been on for 1-2 years, fans should instead consider what is best for this particular show. Where will it get the best ratings, the best promotion, and be seen as it was meant to be seen as much as possible in U.S. television? The answer is not rocket science. Naruto can and should be the next Inu-Yasha. If your desires were for "another DBZ" complete with widespread marketing and the fickle material things people seem to identify with "success," then quite frankly the logical position for that was to support 4Kids getting it in the first place. Do not put yourselves in the odd position of asking for all but entirely what you opposed in the first place.

[Arxane]

I am sorry, but picking out three isolated examples of less-than-mature moments doesn't cut it in terms of proving that Naruto is a kids' show.
That's weird, because some people are arguing that others are doing the opposite: picking out isolated examples of mature moments that don't cut it in terms of proving Naruto isn't a kids show.

Don't know, don't care.

[Lord Dalek]

First of all, very good news. 4Kids doesn't have it, and if Viz handles things the way it did Inu-Yasha then things will turn out pretty well. The DVD release may be irritating if they go with that three-episode-per-disc format, but if nothing else fans can hold out for boxsets. Its a promising outcome.

Second of all, concerning TV rights the reasoning I have witnessed in this topic confounds me. People have spent how long wringing their hands over Naruto being dumbed down for little kids, and now that its licensed some of you want it a block primarily concerned with the 6-11 demographic? Don't be ridiculous. I am sorry, but picking out three isolated examples of less-than-mature moments doesn't cut it in terms of proving that Naruto is a kids' show. This is not a series on the same plane as Rave Master, or Megas, or Teen Titans, or TMNT.

Look, if nothing else Naruto is as much, and probably MORE violent than Ruruoni Kenshin, Inu-Yasha, and yes even Yu Yu Hakusho. Never mind the storyline. Don't believe it? I can easily PM numerous examples. Before you insist that Toonami or even Miguzi is the only proper home for Naruto, remember the extent to which Kenshin and even Gundam Seed have been drastically edited to make it work for the "target demographic." If the past is any indiction whatsoever, Naruto will never get by there without significant edits.

It seems to me that those who want this on Toonami want it there because they want to save the block from its state of medocrity compared to Adult Swim. With the current standards for the block, this is impossible. No I do not hate Toonami, there was a time when I liked it as much as the next person. Back in the time when it pushed the envelope and was serious about great programming as opposed to keeping the kiddies happy. Back when calling it an "experiment" was more than fanboy rhetoric. Today it instead persists in a perpetual, hazy status quo where it flails about trying to be both a kids' and a teen block, being the best of neither world. Adult Swim now does what it used to do. Naruto will not air as it should on Toonami unless the CN folks rethink its purpose, but they had a chance to do this with Gundam Seed and failed the test miserably. I see no reason why I or anyone else for that matter should believe things will be different this time. Instead of adhering to block loyalty, praying that one day it will reverse the trend its been on for 1-2 years, fans should instead consider what is best for this particular show. Where will it get the best ratings, the best promotion, and be seen as it was meant to be seen as much as possible in U.S. television? The answer is not rocket science. Naruto can and should be the next Inu-Yasha. If your desires were for "another DBZ" complete with widespread marketing and the fickle material things people seem to identify with "success," then quite frankly the logical position for that was to support 4Kids getting it in the first place. Do not put yourselves in the odd position of asking for all but entirely what you opposed in the first place.Took the words right out of my mouth.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

That's weird, because some people are arguing that others are doing the opposite: picking out isolated examples of mature moments that don't cut it in terms of proving Naruto isn't a kids show.

Don't know, don't care.
I could make a whole list, but I've avoided doing so for the sake of keeping everything brief.

[Discloner]

Second of all, concerning TV rights the reasoning I have witnessed in this topic confounds me. People have spent how long wringing their hands over Naruto being dumbed down for little kids, and now that its licensed some of you want it a block primarily concerned with the 6-11 demographic? Don't be ridiculous. I am sorry, but picking out three isolated examples of less-than-mature moments doesn't cut it in terms of proving that Naruto is a kids' show. This is not a series on the same plane as Rave Master, or Megas, or Teen Titans, or TMNT.

Look, if nothing else Naruto is as much, and probably MORE violent than Ruruoni Kenshin, Inu-Yasha, and yes even Yu Yu Hakusho. Never mind the storyline. Don't believe it? I can easily PM numerous examples. Before you insist that Toonami or even Miguzi is the only proper home for Naruto, remember the extent to which Kenshin and even Gundam Seed have been drastically edited to make it work for the "target demographic." If the past is any indiction whatsoever, Naruto will never get by there without significant edits.

It seems to me that those who want this on Toonami want it there because they want to save the block from its state of medocrity compared to Adult Swim. With the current standards for the block, this is impossible. No I do not hate Toonami, there was a time when I liked it as much as the next person. Back in the time when it pushed the envelope and was serious about great programming as opposed to keeping the kiddies happy. Back when calling it an "experiment" was more than fanboy rhetoric. Today it instead persists in a perpetual, hazy status quo where it flails about trying to be both a kids' and a teen block, being the best of neither world. Adult Swim now does what it used to do. Naruto will not air as it should on Toonami unless the CN folks rethink its purpose, but they had a chance to do this with Gundam Seed and failed the test miserably. I see no reason why I or anyone else for that matter should believe things will be different this time. Instead of adhering to block loyalty, praying that one day it will reverse the trend its been on for 1-2 years, fans should instead consider what is best for this particular show. Where will it get the best ratings, the best promotion, and be seen as it was meant to be seen as much as possible in U.S. television? The answer is not rocket science. Naruto can and should be the next Inu-Yasha. If your desires were for "another DBZ" complete with widespread marketing and the fickle material things people seem to identify with "success," then quite frankly the logical position for that was to support 4Kids getting it in the first place. Do not put yourselves in the odd position of asking for all but entirely what you opposed in the first place.If you read the press release...it specifically mentions the merchandise and "for tweens and teens". I think a majority of people posting where they think it'll wind up are merely basing their opinions off what Shopro said in the PR. I think when it comes down too it...its nothing to get stressed over, nor spend endless hours defending your stance over. Wherever the licensers want the show to wind up, is exactly where the show will wind up...no matter what fans want it on AS or Toonami.

Hell...we haven't even heard anything about it being on TV at all yet, not to mention exclusively Cartoon Network.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

OP uncut dvds wont be a flop...
They will if they don't include a sub because Sanji's voice is gonna be the same in the uncut one too. There is an off chance Eric Stuart could pick up the role if the fans make it known they don't want David Moo doing the voice on the uncuts but come on... when do they truely listen to the fans when it comes to dubbing? Usopps voice will be awful still as well. It's sub only for this show. That's all there is to it.

I just remembered the one thing I fear from this... The translations. ShoViz will without a doubt use the Shonen Jump US translations for the attacks. Ugh... it's an embarrasment. Ah well.

Yes you're right GWO. I mostly want Naruto on Toonami because it would not only save Toonami from medicroty but it would also probably be the only show of recent years that could manage to get a weekday slot on CN in prime time that would possibly not be hacked like YGO and Rave Master. CN needs another DBZ for that to happen. As DBZ isn't even on weekdays right now. But also I don't think it's an adult show. It has mature stuff in it often enough but it's but set it many pegs below FMA and just one or two under Inuyasha when it comes to mature content. But regaurdless of that... They mentioned tweens... If they just said teens that'd be something else but they said tweens. Tweens means Toonami if were aren't talking about a 4kids job. It's dang near universal that way.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Hell...we haven't even heard anything about it being on TV at all yet, not to mention exclusively Cartoon Network.
That's true. But when it comes to ShoPro... The only other real option is KWB. And face it... they aren't even as risky as 4kidsTV. Sure would be something if out of nowhere Jetix gets it.

[GWOtaku]

That's weird, because some people are arguing that others are doing the opposite: picking out isolated examples of mature moments that don't cut it in terms of proving Naruto isn't a kids show.

Don't know, don't care.
Obviously, only one side can be right. It is a grey area, there's no doubt about that, but on the whole the storyline and tone of the show is not one that skewes toward little babes who get kicks watching sponebob in the afternoon. I say this as somone who has seen Naruto and is acutely aware of its content and has seen his share of both anime that has skewed old and anime that has skewed young. You cannot look at the show and insist that it is a kids' show because Naruto and company are pre-teens. By that logic, Paranoia Agent would be great for Miguzi because there's a little kid in it for the tikes to "relate" to. Content matters.

[Lord Dalek]

They will if they don't include a sub because Sanji's voice is gonna be the same in the uncut one too. There is an off chance Eric Stuart could pick up the role if the fans make it known they don't want David Moo doing the voice on the uncuts but come on... when do they truely listen to the fans when it comes to dubbing? Usopps voice will be awful still as well. It's sub only for this show. That's all there is to it.

I just remembered the one thing I fear from this... The translations. ShoViz will without a doubt use the Shonen Jump US translations for the attacks. Ugh... it's an embarrasment. Ah well.

Yes you're right GWO. I mostly want Naruto on Toonami because it would not only save Toonami from medicroty but it would also probably be the only show of recent years that could manage to get a weekday slot on CN in prime time that would possibly not be hacked like YGO and Rave Master. CN needs another DBZ for that to happen. As DBZ isn't even on weekdays right now. But also I don't think it's an adult show. It has mature stuff in it often enough but it's but set it many pegs below FMA and just one or two under Inuyasha when it comes to mature content. But regaurdless of that... They mentioned tweens... If they just said teens that'd be something else but they said tweens. Tweens means Toonami if were aren't talking about a 4kids job. It's dang near universal that way.Yeah, but as we've known since the Hakusho ratings fiasco, it's tweens that watch Adult Swim regardless of the disclaimer. Sorta like the 7-year olds who buy Eminem's new album.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I just remembered the one thing I fear from this... The translations. ShoViz will without a doubt use the Shonen Jump US translations for the attacks. Ugh... it's an embarrasment. Ah well.
Aren't Viz's anime and manga departments seperate? And doesn't Inuyasha's manga have some translations that are different from the anime translations?

[Duke]

Obviously, only one side can be right. It is a grey area, there's no doubt about that, but on the whole the storyline and tone of the show is not one that skewes toward little babes who get kicks watching sponebob in the afternoon. I say this as somone who has seen Naruto and is acutely aware of its content and has seen his share of both anime that has skewed old and anime that has skewed young. You cannot look at the show and insist that it is a kids' show because Naruto and company are pre-teens. By that logic, Paranoia Agent would be great for Miguzi because there's a little kid in it for the tikes to "relate" to. Content matters.
I talk as someone who has seen all 121 episodes and both specials. Let's say CN does get Naruto. Unless CN feels daring and airs it during AS Weeknights (or at 10:30PM), it'll air sometime between 9:30PM-1AM. Last I checked, none of the series in that time frame were for "little babies" no matter what editing was done.

And I honestly think the editing in SEED was a one-time thing. You don't see any disco guns anywhere else, do you?

Back to Naruto. There is already an established fanbase in Shonen Jump, which also features several series for young children in Yu-Gi-Oh!, One Piece, and Dragonball Z. A number of young children are already huge fans of Naruto, and that will grow once the anime gets on TV. Viz obviously wants to market this to the same age group, with anyone above 15 a bonus, and will most likely try to get Naruto in the most prime slot it can. Unless CN has a similar objection to Naruto that they did with IY and CC (which would be weird considering that a 4-foot-tall shuriken is a lot more cartoony than an arrow or a gun/knife), I believe it will most likely go to Toonami. Story-wise, I can't see anything that says it is more "mature" than Yu Yu Hakusho.

Your Paranoia Agent analogy doesn't work since that show has strippers, hookers, drugs, and other such nasty stuff. The closest thing that kind of stuff gets on Naruto are soldier pills and Anko's clothing.

If you're worried about parental protests, then that's a lost cause. If the shows gets on Cartoon Network at all and gets ratings, then parents will complain anyway. They'll say it's too violent for Toonami and they'll say it's not right to advertise an Adult Swim series to kids (via Shonen Jump), especially when the series stars children.

[livingfruitvirus]

If I were everyone here, I'd pay attention to CN's upfront announcement tomorrow.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Your Paranoia Agent analogy doesn't work since that show has strippers, hookers, drugs, and other such nasty stuff. The closest thing that kind of stuff gets on Naruto are soldier pills and Anko's clothing.


What about a certain thing slipped in a certain character's drink that was pretty integral to the plot? Oh, and there are the Akimichi pills too, which are different from Soldier pills.

[LordByronius]

blah blah blah
NARUTO. IS. A. KIDS. SHOW.

Naruto is a kids show in the same way that Yu Yu Hakusho was a kids show. It was violent, dark, bloody, and gruesome. Characters get shot, eaten alive, hacked into bits, et cetera, et cetera. Of course, what I'm doing is picking small, unimportant bits that appear for seconds and playing them out in an attempt to make the show seem "mature."

Which is insane. I love Naruto and YYH and the like because they ARE big dumb violent kids fodder. Naruto doesn't deserve a late-night, adults-only Adult Swim airing just because you say it does. Contrary to what you think, Aniplex, Viz/Shopro, and Studio Pierrot feel pretty strongly that Naruto, the series can connect well with kids in America. Hell, it already has, considering how well the manga has sold.

Now then. Look at the press release. Look at it real hard. Ignore the "EVEN ADULT SWIM SHOWS GET CCGS" posts. Ignore the posts about the violence. Ignore the posts about the kids being "trained assasins," which is silly in and of itself.

Look at the press release.

"Targeted for tweens and teens."

TWEENS. AND. TEENS.

Now think. Think. What outlet exists for cartoons, targeted for tweens and teens? And I mean, SPECIFICALLY for tweens and teens.

Think about that real, real hard. And then post.

And then keep going on and on and on about how "mature" Naruto is. Its starting to make me laugh a bit.

[Duke]

What about a certain thing slipped in a certain character's drink that was pretty integral to the plot?
As long as it's not referred to as alcohol, it should be fine. If they call it sake, that should be fine (it was for Kenshin).

[Ben]

OK guys, 1. spoiler tags, 2. stop double-posting.


But the only people who would know who they are would have already gotten past that point, because I'm mentioning something that occurs very early in the series.

Doesn't matter. Spoiler tags.


Just a reminder, if the Venture Bros. fansite (http://venture.mancubus.net/) is correct:

Cartoon Network's annual up-front breakfast, where they announce their plans for the year, will be tomorrow.

Maybe they'll mention Naruto then...

...maybe...

...please, God, let them...

Well, I'll be there tomorrow morning, so here's hoping. That would definitely make sense.

[Botman]

And I honestly think the editing in SEED was a one-time thing.
I'm not that optimistic. Which is why I'm going to stay away from this whole mess.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

As long as it's not referred to as alcohol, it should be fine. If they call it sake, that should be fine (it was for Kenshin).
So drugging someone up is acceptable on Toonami now? And what about a certain character taking a bunch of pills and getting an extremely negative side result? I believe people refer to that as OD'ing.

[Duke]

So drugging someone up is acceptable on Toonami now? And what about a certain character taking a bunch of pills and getting an extremely negative side result? I believe people refer to that as OD'ing.People have been drugged before on Toonami. Besides, the drug isn't all that serious (not like Jiraiya dies or anything, he's just paralyzed).

[Lord Dalek]

Lets face it, this show is not really a debate about where a show should go but a battle between reason and emotion.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

People have been drugged before on Toonami. Besides, the drug isn't all that serious (not like Jiraiya dies or anything, he's just paralyzed).
Really? I can't think of any examples.

and while it isn't that serious, it effects the main plot of the series, and they'd be hard pressed to explain why Jiraiya was suddenly making Konohamaru look like a genius.

[LordByronius]

Lets face it, this show is not really a debate about where a show should go but a battle between reason and emotion.
It's a pretty heated debate between obsessive fans who don't want icky TV people to RUIN THEIR FAVORITEST, MOST MATUREST SHOW EVER by putting it on Toonami, and the obsessive fans who pathetically cling to the notion that it'll be a huge TV ratings smash with some digital paint changes.

I'm obviously part of the latter.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

It's a pretty heated debate between obsessive fans who don't want icky TV people to RUIN THEIR FAVORITEST, MOST MATUREST SHOW EVER by putting it on Toonami, and the obsessive fans who pathetically cling to the notion that it'll be a huge TV ratings smash with some digital paint changes.

I'm obviously part of the latter.
Or people who think the show is just more mature then shows like Kenshin and Inuyasha, and that it would be a good fit for Adult Swim.

[Lord Dalek]

It's a pretty heated debate between obsessive fans who don't want icky TV people to RUIN THEIR FAVORITEST, MOST MATUREST SHOW EVER by putting it on Toonami, and the obsessive fans who pathetically cling to the notion that it'll be a huge TV ratings smash with some digital paint changes.

I'm obviously part of the latter.So what that would make me then, the guy who hates Naruto but realizes Toonami is so beyond the point of no return that even Naruto can't save it?

Hell put it on WB, Toonami's dead.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well I just want to mention my last prediction before tommorow hasn't changed since yesturday.

Naruto in Fall. October or November. ONLY Toonami. That is all.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

So what that would make me then, the guy who hates Naruto but realizes Toonami is so beyond the point of no return that even Naruto can't save it?

Hell put it on WB, Toonami's dead.
Toonami's been saved before.

[Lord Dalek]

Toonami's been saved before.Not by Saturday nights, not by Rave Master, not by D.I.C.E, and especially not by overediting Gundam Seed and then replacing it with annother busted overedited show.

There is no such thing as a killer ap in that ancient block's case.

[Duke]

Considering JLU, TT, GT, YYH, and Megas are still pulling in ratings, I'd say Toonami is far from dead.

But that's not the point of this thread. That belongs over in the Toonami Forum.

Here's a suggestion, why doesn't everybody take a breather and clear their heads before speculating again?

[Chad Bonin]

There is no such thing as a killer ap in that ancient block's case.Dragonball Z. Teen Titans. Justice League Unlimited. Gundam Wing.

... shall I continue?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Not by Saturday nights, not by Rave Master, not by D.I.C.E, and especially not by overediting Gundam Seed and then replacing it with annother busted overedited show.

There is no such thing as a killer ap in that ancient block's case.
It's never had a lasting savior since Gundam Wing, DBZ and Sailor Moon... But...

Kenshin and YYH kicked it into high gear early in 2003 and Gundam SEED did help with the image but Rave Master obviously didn't.

But come on now... Naruto is of DBZ proportions. And DBZ is truely made sure Toonami didn't die out like so many other CN action blocks before it.

[GWOtaku]

posted by LordByronius:

"blah blah blah"
Your distasteful condescension is almost worth ignoring outright, but I at least can hold enough regard for a differing opinion to address it with some measure of respect for the other individual.

Your post is but to say "I'm right, you're stupid, the press release agrees with me, shut up." You forget that Yu Yu Hakusho was once on Adult Swim and that Inu-Yasha, a show which by most standards is geared far more toward teens than adults, airs on Adult Swim as one of its most successful programs. What exactly differentiates Naruto from Inu-Yasha? What does Inu-Yasha have or not have that is or is not present in Naruto?

And I'm sorry, but the intense moments in Naruto are not "small bits." These young people fight, get impaled, bleed, and even die. You cannot overlook the battle on the bridge in the water country, nor the backstory of someone like Gaara, nor the severe beatings characters like Rock Lee, Hinata, and and many more take at one time or another. You cannot overlook the disturbing origins and behavior of main villian Orochimaru. All of which, it seems to me, at least comparable to what Naraku has done to Kikyo and countless other people? This goes on and on. Are these irrelevant, minor details? These are integral things weaved into the ongoing storyline, and unlike say, guns in Gundam Seed, they cannot be edited for convenience without compromising the storyline. Its not a kids show because you say so. And true Its not not a kids' show just because I say so. It is what it is because of what's in the show. Is Naruto mature in the way that Cowboy BeBop or Ghost in the Shell TV is mature? Of course not. No one is saying that. Is it a worthy successor or partner to a show like Inu-Yasha? Yes. Don't think so? Go beyond your kneejerk contempt, think it over, and explain rationally why it should not be.

[Dark Fact]

This thread hasn't caused the board to crash? :eek:

And people, calm...down! Read what you're all posting! You're all starting to act hostile against one another.

[Chuquita]

Wherever it ends up premiering, AS or Toonami, I'll give it a try. I'm enjoying the manga so far.

[Lord Dalek]

Am I the only one here who noticed that when the press release refered to "teens and tweens", they were referencing the Japanese demographic.

Our demo's are different.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

You're right about that. But the description... doesn't do it justice if they want this on Adult Swim. But in the end... it's probably up to CN and WS to decide more than ShoPro.

[Pepperidge]

I don't think they've decided where it's going to air on Cartoon Network yet, since they're probably going to market it the exact same way regardless.

[Duke]

And people, calm...down! Read what you're all posting! You're all starting to act hostile against one another.
Hence why I suggested we all take a breather and wait until tomorrow to start this up again.

[Discloner]

Could we all perhaps...agree that we're glad it's being dubbed and MIGHT wind up on CN? I mean, if it airs at all...atleast its airing somewhere.

Edit: Duke beat me to it. =/

[livingfruitvirus]

I don't think they've decided where it's going to air on Cartoon Network yetOr if.

[GWOtaku]

Even if nothing is announced tomorrow morning, there's Katsucon this weekend. We can always try to squeeze information from the obligatory panel. ;)

On that note, any ideas on questions that should be asked? I don't know what TZ'ers are going, but I am and I know comrade Grenzer will be there....

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'll be going to Katsucon, hopefully something will be revealed by then.

[Pepperidge]

There's only one thing I want to know:

Regardless of whether it's going to Toonami or Adult Swim, will any editing be handled by ShoPro/Viz or WS?

[Hordesman]

Dunno about you guys, but it's the kid in me most amused by uncut anime. James' fake breasts? Yugi's hand stabbing game? Zoro and Luffy cutting themselves? Kakashi reading hentai in front of his students? Yeah, my mom would've never let me near this kinda stuff as a kid but that's what makes it so freaking awesome. C'mon, what kid doesn't sneak the neat stuff? I know I did. So I wasn't allowed to watch Beavis and Butthead... MTV and Nickelodeon were a remote control button apart to save my skin.

[Freedom Fighter]

Oy, I know I'm late. I turned off my computer before dinner, spent the night doing other things, and then, not being sleepy, decided to check the MB... and lo and behold, I've spent God-knows-how long reading through this entire thread. Oh, hold on... *checks watch* I came on at 11:30, and it's now 1 am. An hour and a half, and it took me another half hour to write this. Again, oy.

Alright, I'm probably going to get stoned for saying this, so let me find a helmet... okay. I've been staying away from all of this Naruto stuff about licensing and everything until now for one reason.

I don't think Naruto's all that great.

Now, before you all bite my head off, let me say this is in reference to the manga. All of I've seen of the anime itself is in a handful of small doses upon browsing in anime speciality stores when the show is playing on their TVs. Anyway, I buy Shonen Jump every month, and although I always read it from cover-to-cover, Naruto ranks as my 2nd least favorite. DBZ being the least, but what do you expect when you're reading sound effects more often than dialogue?

Naruto does have its moments, but I find myself enjoying it the most when the comedy is accented more than the action. I'm sure some people share my views when I say that any show in the fighting genre looks completely flat and boring when you're reading it in a book/manga, as opposed to watching it. DBZ shares that sentiment, YYH and Shaman King (both to an extent), and Naruto does as well. That being said... I have absolute hope that when the show is made available to the public, I will be able to fully enjoy all of the kick-butt fighting sequences in their animated glory that everyone else in the world seems to squeal over in this series.

That being said... where should the show go if it's to be broadcast on TV? Considering the options, if it doesn't end up on Cartoon Network, it doesn't deserve to belong on TV. As for which block (Toonami or AS) specifically... well, here's how I see it.

First off... Naruto's a kids' show. Worthy to note that almost all of the anime currently on TV in the US were originally kids' shows in Japan. Our standards are different here. Remember, what's culturally accepted S&P-wise on Japanese TV is different from what's acceptable here. We have to accept the fact that because Cartoon Network is part of most (if not all) of the country's basic cable plan, and as such, there is no anime that the network can, by today's standards, air unedited. That being said, and considering what should likely be as few edits as possible to get the show aired safely... I would agree that it belongs on Toonami, more than likely in the 10 pm hour.

Sure, there is stuff in Naruto that, by our TV standards, should dictate the show go to Adult Swim. But think about what audience has already been exposed to the series through Shonen Jump. Plus, do you really want to see CN, Williams St., and AS repeat their mistakes of the past? Yu-Yu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin put on at the wrong times because of where their demos skewed? Case Closed being sunk by having Toonami-demoed ratings in a show that, by current standards, would become unwatchable if moved to Toonami?

Do I think Naruto could succeed if it were placed on Adult Swim? Probably yes. But if I were a betting man and all the companies involved in this deal were smart, they'd put the show where it would get the most exposure and they'd get the best ratings out of it. It's gotta be Toonami.

As for specific editing standards and how Viz/Shopro will do the releases... eh, that's a discussion for later down the road...

Anyway, I'll shut up now and go lurk on the other boards now. *makes sure not to take off helmet until after leaving the room* :sweat:

[TnAdct1]

After weeding through all the messages on the forum (and waiting for a time in which I can write this without being distracted), here's my commentary on the licensing of Naruto.

On which company ShoPro will hire to do the dub: There's no question about it. This will very likely be released by Viz. Two main things point to this:

The fact that Viz is nearly finished with Inu-Yasha. With that series almost over (at least dub-wise), Viz is going to need another big title to follow in IY's footsteps, and with the popularity of Naruto in both Japan and America, that title appears to be the obvious choice.
The show's being targetted to the 10-19 crowd. In other words: this is not the targetted age group that 4Idiots and Kids' WB is looking for.


On it airing on TV: Considering how big Naruto is, it would be company suicide if ShoPro doesn't put this show on TV. However the big question isn't which network (as CN is the obvious answer), but rather which block it will air on. Considering the target audience that ShoPro is trying to get, Naruto appears to be the show that could revive the Toonami block. However, there's a few things that also make this feel like AS is the better block. For starters, the show is VERY violent (with lots of bleeding and near death), which, unless ShoPro is able to fix it, could lead to some trouble on Toonami. Second, there's some other things that could be considered taboo in Toonami standards. Among some of them (from the earlier episodes):-the entire second episode (which does have somewhat importance to the series) focuses on Naruto training the Hokage's grandson on how to perform one of his signature moves, the Sexy no Jitsu (a move in which he turns into a lady, usually of the naked variety).
-In either episode 3 or 4, there's the infamous "Naruto/Sasuke kiss" scene, which could be troublesome (yes, I know YYH did have a "same sex kiss scene", but that kiss was already censored in the original Japanese version :anime: ).
-Kakashi's main reading material of choice is a hentai-esque book that could be too dirty for Toonami standards (although Funi did alter a similar situation in Dragon Ball).
In the end, where Naruto airs on CN (if it does air on CN) is still up in the air, especially considering how some teens do watch AS.

[Peter Paltridge]

This might be the end of the who-gets-it question, but it's not the end of the whole thing by far. Case in point: this thread will have five pages of posts by tonight.
Did I say five? I meant twelve.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well Freedom Fighter... I can understand why you feel that Naruto isn't THAT great. It truely isn't amazing for the most part. One Piece is possibly better (at the moment I think it is anyway but that could change when Naruto picks up again... dang flash backs durring fight scenes...). However it is a very good series. It's got lots of good qualities and most importantly it's got the stuff to do very well stateside. As it's already about as popular as a show can get just by the manga, imports and fansubs. It could be either the next Inuyasha or the next DBZ. It could reshape the way anime is handle on CN entirely as it's stuck in the middle of Toonami and Adult Swim quite thoroughly. It make some kind of impact no matter where it goes because it's a genuinely entertaining show with a lot of heart and a ton of action... and enough merchandise to make sure people take notice.

Naruto may not be the best anime ever but it's nothing to skof at either. It will surely make a difference somehow. That's why it's actually important.

[Ben]

Byronius, GWOtaku, knock it off. Cartoon demographics are not worth getting so worked up about.

[Nin-Nin69]

Couldn't care less about the translation for the dub. Just a great sub w/nice quality video and about 4-5 episodes per DVD with a free toy every now and then and I'm set. :anime:

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Couldn't care less about the translation for the dub. Just a great sub w/nice quality video and about 4-5 episodes per DVD with a free toy every now and then and I'm set. :anime:
Naruto got 1-3 episodes per DVD in Japan.

Viz released Inuyasha just like it was in Japan 3 episodes per disc.

It's painfully obvious Naruto will get 3 episodes per disc at best. Maybe 4 but certainly not 5.

[Grenzer]

People seem to be getting far too emotional about this. Granted Naruto is a great show and everything, but I would not get particularly stressed about things just yet. I think that we should all wait until after Katsucon before we start to assume too much. Viz/Shopro almost certainly chose to annouce the license this week to build up anticipation for their panel at Katsu (two of their series producers will be there at the very least) and most likely have their plans for marketing the series set up rather carefully. So until I know something definate about what Viz/Shopro plans to do about this series, I refuse to needlessly torture myself over an issue beyond my control.

Besides all that, people should view this news a little more positively. Last year people were on the edge of their seats waiting for this show to get licesened and be brought over here. Now that it has happened, why should we all be bickering over trivial details in our hour of triumph? People should learn to enjoy things for what they are.

[Conan-san]

People seem to be getting far too emotional about this. Granted Naruto is a great show and everything, but I would not get particularly stressed about things just yet. I think that we should all wait until after Katsucon before we start to assume too much. Viz/Shopro almost certainly chose to annouce the license this week to build up anticipation for their panel at Katsu (two of their series producers will be their at the very least) and most likely have their plans for marketing the series set up rather carefully. So until I know something definate about what Viz/Shopro plans to do about this series, I refuse to needlessly torture myself over an issue beyond my control.

Besides all that, people should view this news a little more positively. Last year people were on the edge of their seats waiting for this show to get licesened and be brought over here. Now that it has happened, why should we all be bickering over trivial details in our hour of triumph? People should learn to enjoy things for what they are. And at least be glad that it's garenteed. In the uk we'll be happy to even keep geting Shonen Jump.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

If there ever was an anime I'm sure you guys will get sooner than later (especially now). It would be Naruto. (probably gonna air just about anywhere DBZ has) Though ShizPro doesn't have the European rights so someone over there has to take care of it.

[Conan-san]

If there ever was an anime I'm sure you guys will get sooner than later (especially now). It would be Naruto. (probably gonna air just about anywhere DBZ has) Though ShizPro doesn't have the European rights so someone over there has to take care of it. That's what i'm affaid of...

Who's to say it won't end up on the YYH tv rights slope to hell?

Oh, I have no doubt it's going to (if not already has) air on other European contries, esecialy germany but if it ain't pokemon, then it ain't going to be here.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

It ain't Pokemon... But it sure is Dragonball. Don't get your knickers in a twist yet. It could be like Dragonball for all we know. Maybe someone else will dub it for the UK (though in the case of DB it was like that because FUNi didn't work for the Canadian rights or the UK rights.

[Pepperidge]

Actually, the whole decision to make an alternate dub for DB had nothing to do with FUNi specifically. It was the result of a huge complex web of confusion that, as far as I can tell, sprung from Ocean Studios continuing to serve as a middleman between FUNi and the rest of the world even after they stopped producing the dub and the desire from European fans to have the old voices back.

I don't know how many times I'm going to say this, but we are likely never going to see a situation like this happen again for the international broadcasts of any FUNi titles. Dragonball was a completely isolated incident and has no bearing on anything being released right now, especially on Naruto which isn't even being released by FUNi, so I'm not even sure why I'm pointing this out.

On that note, I'm extremely dissapointed with the number of pages in this thread. I thought for sure that it would easily surpass 20 pages by the end of the day.

[Duke]

There's only one thing I want to know:

Regardless of whether it's going to Toonami or Adult Swim, will any editing be handled by ShoPro/Viz or WS?
Williams Street will prefer to do the editing if they can.

[JDNobodi]

On that note, I'm extremely dissapointed with the number of pages in this thread. I thought for sure that it would easily surpass 20 pages by the end of the day.
Dear Lord, I'm glad that didn't happen. I got off a ten hour shift at 2:00am, and spent the last two hours reading this stupid thread.

Anyway, I feel ShoPro would be the stupidest company in history if they don't release hybrid DVDs. This show has the largest fan base for a series that was not licensed. (At this time) Fans want this show to be treated respectably and ShoPro would be throwing money away if they ignore the currant fan base. This isn't Mega Man NT or Sonic X-which hardly anyone cared for, and sales of those Dubbed DVDs weren’t much. There going to be a lot of people who would want to buy Naruto hybrid DVDs.

[Tash]

-the entire second episode (which does have somewhat importance to the series) focuses on Naruto training the Hokage's grandson on how to perform one of his signature moves, the Sexy no Jitsu (a move in which he turns into a lady, usually of the naked variety).
-In either episode 3 or 4, there's the infamous "Naruto/Sasuke kiss" scene, which could be troublesome (yes, I know YYH did have a "same sex kiss scene", but that kiss was already censored in the original Japanese version :anime: ).
-Kakashi's main reading material of choice is a hentai-esque book that could be too dirty for Toonami standards (although Funi did alter a similar situation in Dragon Ball).None of that stuff is beyond editing.
1. Digital Bikini
2. If they can't keep it, they can very easily cut it
3. They could just ignore the content of the book (it doesn't HAVE to be Hentai), but that might cause some problems later on. Or pull a dragonball.

It's not like the show is uneditable. Sure, stuff will be lost, but overall it can be kept intact.