Teen Titans "Cyborg the Barbarian" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Bird Boy]

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Episode #41 - Cyborg the Barbarian
Original Airdate - February 12th, 2005

Cyborg is mysteriously thrown into the distant past and lands in the middle of a barbarian village that needs his help. But with the nearest charging station 5,000 years in the future, Cy has no way to recharge, and his power supply is dwindling.

Comments?

[Juu-kuchi]

I'm lyrically challenged... Somebody make a ditty of "Cyborg the Barbarian" to the theme of "Dave the Barbarian".

Strange idea, but back to the episode. This seems to be an okay standalone episode. However it would work better if it was a last season episode, mainly because of its' Cyborg focus.

[Mr_Millions]

Alternative episode titles:

Teen Titans presents H.P. Lovecraft's Metallic Negroid fights Macbeth

OR

Sam Raimi's Cyborg vs. the Army of Darkness

An OK episode, but skews toward JLA-style story (Which I like just fine, I just like the shows seperate). I did appreciate the addition of reinforcements to Cyborg's appendedge connections. That being said, the last TT episode I saw was the Brother Blood finale, so this ep is somewhat stale. Nice ending, even if a little pedestrian.

[wakuchan]

Pretty decent episode, if nothing special. I did like the line "Evil beware...we have waffles", however :p
That girl's name...was it Saracen or Sarasa? If the latter, methinks someone on the creative team has been reading "Basara"....*cough*

[Djm912]

Again with Raven and the waffles.

A descent episode of TT this week, but you'd be pretty pressed to follow up after "Birthmark".

[kaine23]

Decent episode with a good ending.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Nice episode, not close to Birthmark, but not every TT episode can be the best ever. The past scenes were interesting, and I liked how they didn't have Cyborg get rescued conveniently after the battle. Nice episode, all in all.

[Temple Fugate]

I liked it. Even though Cyborg was dealing with the inhibitions of his robot body, this ep also focused on him as a person, fighting for a cause. If this was yet another morale-building Cyborg ep, I would have been very disappointed.

One of the best lines in the entire series: "Evil beware: We have waffles."

Teen Titans 4x04: "Cyborg the Barbarian" - ****

[Batman Fan]

I really liked this episode a lot. Pretty good considering we saw pretty much no one but Cyborg. The action scenes were really nice, but got a little boring as he battled those creatures like 4 times. I liked the relationship between Cyborg and the barbarian girl (looks like he's cheatin on the soap opera girl:anime: ) it showed us a more human side of Cyborg.

The beginning was cute, especially the evil beware, we have waffles line:D and the ending was nice too, with Raven somehow finding a book of the battle and Cyborg somehow managed to be in it:sweat: Time travel.... anyways another great episode for the 4th Season, it has yet to dissapoint me!

[The Koopinator]

Bah, the village probably deus ex machina'ed to win or something.

[Duke]

I wonder if somebody on TT was watching the "Zim Eats Waffles" episode of Invader Zim.

Decent episode, but would've been better as a 2-parter.

[Quincy Archer]

I like the pace of this episode it didnt get two jokey just after Birthmark So now when Employee of the Month is on next week the transition will be nice

[Iamthafacts]

Since the last season focused on Cyborg, I thougt them doing a Cyborg episode as the "second episode " of the fourth season was a little questionable at first. But boy, it grew on me for the first minute. In fact, "Deception" was the only Cyborg episode from season 3 more enjoyable than this one. But one thing thats becoming to common for Teen Titans, if a kiss is going to be execute, EXECUTE IT Please, that's all I have to say.

And the ending of the episode was really good, thank goodness it wasn't another boring Robin speech and more thanks that it was Raven playing a part.

[Outlander00]

Sam Raimi's Cyborg vs. the Army of Darkness Yeah... thats what I thought when I was watching it :p

I liked this story... not only cause it paid homage to Army of Darkness but it shows some of Cyborgs flaws and that he is human.

Ill give it a solid 4

[Strollymonster]

Didn't particularly care for this episode...maybe my perception is skewed by last week's spectacular episode, but anyways...

The opening segment was all right, producing the best line of the episode: "Evil beware, for we have waffles."

After that, though, followed some rather boring precedings. Tossed into a battle, okay. Enemy design was decent.

Four quibbles with the episode:

1- We never know why Cyborg got picked...there are stronger people, like Superman.

2- They spoke English...about 3500 years before it came about.

3- The people learned to generate electricity from Cyborg. Electricity is NOT something people had 5000 years ago. That should have REALLY f'd up the timeline, but it didn't, apparently?

Is it a plot hole, or is it like Gargoyles, where time simply can't be changed? And if that's the case, are the events of "How Long is Forever" going to have to come to pass?

4- The ending was pretty anti-climatic. I'm all for seeing Raven's powers, but it just kinda killed the power of the moment when he gets sucked back into the future.

Maybe I'm just a perfectionist...but I give it ** anyways.

[JLfan4life]

well....i hated this episode. i like Cyborg's character but i was not feeling this episode at all. :sad:

[Kino]

This, to me, was a very cookie-cutter episode, but when we saw Saracen, my sister and I wondered if Bumblebee had any Aztec or Mayan ancestry.

[DLM]

Yeah... thats what I thought when I was watching it :p

I liked this story... not only cause it paid homage to Army of Darkness but it shows some of Cyborgs flaws and that he is human.

Ill give it a solid 4 Homage? Eh, I suppose thats one way of looking at it. Im still waiting to see an original plot from the show this season. I kept waiting for Cyborg to say "Good, Bad, Im the guy with the gun" before blasting something. At least there was a twist at the end, even if it was kind of an anticlimax. Also, some good characterization with Cyborg. 3 stars.

[Fone Bone]

I'll admit this wasn't my favorite episode but it was okay. As neat as the twist was to have Cyborg return to the present mid-battle it also left the episode feeling a little unfulfilled. Still Raven's scene with Cyborg at the end was nice.

I really liked Cyborg's new girlfriend. She was very pretty.

The whole idea of the episode and Cyborg being thrown back in time to battle monsters in a sword and sorcery setting was neat, but it wasn't exactly a standard Teen Titans plot. I liked it anyways.

Oh, and the witch was creepy. ***1/2.

[Master Moron]

I loved Beast Boy's line at the beginning "Okay, before anyone says anything, this is SO NOT my fault!" Personally, I would have liked the ending better if they had just left it open instead of having Raven find that book.

[CyberCubed]

Anyone think the kiss between Cyborg and the girl looked way too fake? They're about to kiss and then a split second later Cyborg says "Sorry" and walks away.
It's almost as if they knew they weren't going to kiss.

[Tea]

An okay episode. Wow, Cyborg really loves his waffles. Geez, he's become a real lady's man. He had Jinx, the random soap opera girl, and now this.

Didn't care so much for the wars or mutant alien bug armies. Got a Starship Troopers vibe. *shudder*

3/5.

[Stickman]

See, my problem with Birthmark that I neglected to mention last week was that it set the standards so high for the rest of the series, all subsequent episodes can only look up in awe, wishing they were as good. "CtB", unfortunatly, is the first to succumb.

I'm not exactly what you'd call a fan of Cyborg shows, because while Cy himself is a nice guy, ALL of his shows (Sum of his Parts, Only Human, season 3 arc) dealt with the same concept: Cyborg's part-robot, but it's OK because he's part-human, too. And while "Barbarian" tries to mix this up with the time-travel concept, the cyborg factor is still there in the "recharging" and "armor" sequences. TT Writers: think of some new material for this guy.

"CtB" is a pretty good show (***-***1/2). So... we get a one-off comedy show in "Employee of the Month", and then that "TROQ" thing, and THEN...

We get "The Prophecy". This is gonna be the longest 3 weeks, like, ever.

[Batman Fan]

Originally posted by CyberCubed
Anyone think the kiss between Cyborg and the girl looked way too fake? They're about to kiss and then a split second later Cyborg says "Sorry" and walks away.
It's almost as if they knew they weren't going to kiss.

It looked to me as if they didn't kiss at all. I thought he just paused in the middle, said sorry, and walked away.

[90'sCartoonMan]

It looked to me as if they didn't kiss at all. I thought he just paused in the middle, said sorry, and walked away.
Ugh, that "kiss" angered me. It wasn't just Cyborg who paused, Saracen paused too. They had chemistry...along the lines of Raven/Malchior...but nope, didn't work out. I did feel his pain at the end when he failed to save her, but man, Cy is so slow in this episode. Slow to kiss, slow to fire his sonic cannon.

It wasn't a bad episode, sorta average. I just feel like it was "Only Human" + this Birds of Prey from a few years ago where Black Canary goes back in time, helps this barbarian dude, and finds him in a book when she returns to the future.

Sorry, you only get 2 and a half stars. That'll teach you to try and follow "Birthmark".

[Style]

A good actioneer, and it was a better Cyborg episode than most. Saracen was very cute.

There was really laugh-out-loud funny moment: When Cyborg says, "First rule of Sci-fi; Don't mess with the past or the world will be ruled by evil super-inteligent monkeys in the future." The visual of Cyborg poking the past with a stick is what sold it for me.

[SilverKnight]

"Evil beware: We have waffles."

"Oh man, don't touch anything, don't do anything! Rule number one of sci-fi: start messin' with the past, wind up havin' monkeys ruling in the future."

"Ha ha, I discovered electricity!"

Those were the three best things about this episode.

[Eddy]

I think it was the best Cyborg episode yet, excluding maybe "Titans East". There were some pretty funny lines and moments in episode too. Like Cyborg's "Sci-Fi Rule" line.

Cyborg is definatly a pimp. Jinx, Bumblebee, Rebecca and now Sarasan.

Raven: Evil beware... we have waffles.

[spidl]

Four quibbles with the episode:

1- We never know why Cyborg got picked...there are stronger people, like Superman.

2- They spoke English...about 3500 years before it came about.

3- The people learned to generate electricity from Cyborg. Electricity is NOT something people had 5000 years ago. That should have REALLY f'd up the timeline, but it didn't, apparently?

1. Cyborg's cannon completely destroyed the green guys. That would make him an effective choice against those monsters.
2. coulda been an effect of the magic the witch brought Cyborg over with.
3. This is the DC animated timeline. Who knows what happened in their time line. I mean people fly and green humans turn into animals.

Overall I like this episode. It had a nice Evil Dead feel to it. Cyborg had good character spotlight without being too stupid.

[MrTuesday]

Personally, I would have liked the ending better if they had just left it open instead of having Raven find that book. Nah, I would have hated it they left it like that. I needed closure. I needed to know if Saracen lived or died in that battle.

Nice episode, not a terrible one. Bit I can understand how people would see it as a 2 star ep, given how if follwed "Birthmark". But I see it as the average Titans ep. 3 stars.

And yes, Cyborg is a PIMP!

[Cliff24275]

I liked this episode. Of course, Im a big Cyborg fan. The guy is just so likeable. There is this feeling i get when watching him fight, I want him to win, I don't always get that with the other titans. Starting season 3, he has been a pimp too, which is funny cuz the first 2 seasons he was like the odd man out. Starfire and Robin obviously have feelings for each other, and Raven and Beastboy flirt all the time( I don't think they will have a relationship, but they certainly flirt.) Plus Beastboy and Terra. I was also intrigued by the episode's ending, it was like, noo, he has to save her you idiots, but then bam, she won anyway. It was also kinda cool that the electronics at the beginning, and in the commercials were a red herring, it was really the witches magic that brought him back in time. I also like the line "first rule of Sci-fi, dont mess with anything..."
That little frogger like video game thing they did when he was trying tp avoid everyone was funny. I have picked up on alot of video game refernces in this series, here some i have noticed: Atlas=Gutsman, in every dog has his day,
Solo's(or whatever the big aliens name was) sensors on his ship were like old-school video games, and one that might have been unintentional, but Blood's red outfit and fight moves in wavelength were very similar to M. Bison in Street Fighter, I am sure there are others but I cant think of them right now.

[paulie]

My favorite part was the Cyborg's Frogger-esque trip across the battefield in the beginning, that had me laughing out loud...

***1/2 from me, not outstanding, but still an entertaining episode.

[DLM]

My favorite part was the Cyborg's Frogger-esque trip across the battefield in the beginning, that had me laughing out loud...

***1/2 from me, not outstanding, but still an entertaining episode.Yeah, I loved that too. Whatever else I say about Teen Titans, I do have to give the show credit for some great past-culture references. From the Beatles/Monte Python stuff in "Revolutions", to the "Muppet Show/Disney's Alice in Wonderland" stuff in Bunny Raven, to the Jackie Chan references in that Robin climbing the mountain episode.....
No matter how flawed the Teen Titans show is its almost worth it to tune in every week just to see what old pop culture they are going to reference.

[tucsoncoyote]

I'm lyrically challenged... Somebody make a ditty of "Cyborg the Barbarian" to the theme of "Dave the Barbarian".
Because you asked for it...

Ba-ba-barbarian!
Ba-ba-barbarian!

Cy-borg the Bar-bar-ian!
Strong , Not a Whimp!
He Lives with the Teen Titans
and Beast Boy who's Turns into a Chimp!

Beastboy (Screams):NOT A MONKEY!

He went back in time to Fight some crime
and found that batteries don't exist!
He Left the titan's Hanging
Now Isn't that an Evil Twist??!

*Dum Dum Dum *

(Okay that's all I can come up with! so sue me!)

:coyote:

Edited Note: Over all not a bad episode.. I gave this one ****1/2 out of five..(Raven's line was a laugh .. Evil Beware! We have Waffles!

[Freedom Fighter]

2- They spoke English...about 3500 years before it came about.

3- The people learned to generate electricity from Cyborg. Electricity is NOT something people had 5000 years ago. That should have REALLY f'd up the timeline, but it didn't, apparently?Exactly a big reason why I loathe time travel episodes, no matter what the series. It gives the writers full reign to add their own little intrepretations of the past. Plus, as Cyborg puts it...


"Oh man, don't touch anything, don't do anything! Rule number one of sci-fi: start messin' with the past, wind up havin' monkeys ruling in the future."Well, okay, maybe not monkeys necessarily, but you get the picture.

Other 'been there, done that' conventions used in this episode:
- 'Top dog' replaced by the startling 'Newcomer.'
- 'Top dog' looking to enhance his reputation by teaming up with a sorceress to stage a fake attack.
- As evidenced by Cy in the opening scene, you try to have everything, and everything shall taketh thee away in an instant.
- Cy and that warrior gal wanting to kiss, thinking about kissing, then not actually kissing. Either you do or you don't... make up your mind!

Other notes:
- Blatant 'Froggy' homage during the opening battle!
- Cyborg being pulled home mid-battle, was a pleasant surprise. I personally thought they could've left us hanging for a satisfying, thoughtful ending... but seeing as this is a kids' show, it had to be resolved happily.

Aye, it's gotta suck when a show has a spectacular, stupendous episode one week, and then immediately the bar has to be raised for the show. Usually, the next episode to air suffers the most. "Cyborg the Barbarian" had its moments, but all of the cliches and of course, time travelling, 'specially since TT already had a time travel episode ("How Long is Forever?," which was slightly, and I do mean SLIGHTLY better), are gonna bring this score down.

It was a borderline 6/7, but after reading all of the reviews and re-evaluating my notes, instead of going high, I'll go low. 6 out of 10.

[DLM]

2- They spoke English...about 3500 years before it came about.
How does Darkseid speak english? How do Jax Ur and Malla speak english? How does every alien on both Stargate series speak english? How do Star Trek aliens speak english when there is no way there is a universal translator anywhere near, and even when there might be a universal translator how come their lips move in unison with english words? Trust me, if you want to enjoy pop culture fantasy and sci-fi at all the biggest suspension of disbelief you have to excersize as a prerequisite is the whole language thing. There is no good answer, just treat it as an area your brain isn't allowed to go and just relax and enjoy.

[Spidey2099]

Anyone think the kiss between Cyborg and the girl looked way too fake? They're about to kiss and then a split second later Cyborg says "Sorry" and walks away.
It's almost as if they knew they weren't going to kiss.There's that, and it looked like Cyborg was going for her nose, not her lips...

[lostrune]

1. Heh, GameStation (GameCube + PlayStation) XL! Yet, 8-bit Frogger? :cool:

2. Why is it always the monkeys ruling the future? :sweat:

3. Cyborg: "It's about time somebody went bronze age on your ass!"
Ahhh, pro.. uh... regress. :D

4. Rule #1: never accept a gift that'll just make someone pissed at you! :ack:

5. Heh, so they thought recharging station means food.... :o

6. I'd guess that's a rare pre-historic matriarchal society accepting a girl as leader? :shrug:

7. Saracen [to Cyborg]: "I'll show you my home."
For a moment there, I thought she was gonna take him upstairs. :anime:

8. So I guess Cyborg did hit Krull. :)

[Fone Bone]

How does Darkseid speak english? How do Jax Ur and Malla speak english? How does every alien on both Stargate series speak english? Very well, thank you.


How do Star Trek aliens speak english when there is no way there is a universal translator anywhere near, and even when there might be a universal translator how come their lips move in unison with english words?I think DS9 established that a few alien races have universal translater implants (like the Ferengi). Sort of like Farscape's translator microbes. As for lips moving in unison, well you shouldn't hear explosions in space either. Dramatic license.


Trust me, if you want to enjoy pop culture fantasy and sci-fi at all the biggest suspension of disbelief you have to excersize as a prerequisite is the whole language thing. There is no good answer, just treat it as an area your brain isn't allowed to go and just relax and enjoy.I thought Farscape's translator microbes were VERY clever.

I didn't even think about how no-one should have been able to speak English this episode. Maybe Cyborg has a dead language bank in his systems and was just speaking whatever language Seracen's people were speaking with translations handy for the home audience.

[shaman_mya19]

Because you asked for it...

Ba-ba-barbarian!
Ba-ba-barbarian!

Cy-borg the Bar-bar-ian!
Strong , Not a Whimp!
He Lives with the Teen Titans
and Beast Boy who's Turns into a Chimp!

Beastboy (Screams):NOT A MONKEY!

He went back in time to Fight some crime
and found that batteries don't exist!
He Left the titan's Hanging
Now Isn't that an Evil Twist??!

*Dum Dum Dum *

(Okay that's all I can come up with! so sue me!)

:coyote:

Edited Note: Over all not a bad episode.. I gave this one ****1/2 out of five..(Raven's line was a laugh .. Evil Beware! We have Waffles!
i didn't see the episode waiting for food!! but that is so funny!! i luv that show!!

[John6777]

Wow what a stinker this episode was. I could'nt of hated this more than any other episode of Teen Titans. One of my friends was over and she had never seen Teen Titans before and when she watched it. She turned to me and said "How could you watch this crap? It's so boring." And I agreed with everything she said. It was one of the most boring episodes i have ever seen. How could this follow Birthmark?


1 Star

[Gl_link]

Nice episode, not close to Birthmark, but not every TT episode can be the best ever. The past scenes were interesting, and I liked how they didn't have Cyborg get rescued conveniently after the battle. Nice episode, all in all.
WHat!!!!!!! Birthmark had to be the Lamest eppisode of TT EVER! Slade should not be a servant. and if they were going to show raven destroying the world, the least they could do is not steal from Hellboy.
As for this epp. I liked it. I thought at first they were going to pull an Army of Darkness line (I realy wanted to here him say "Gimme some sugar baby."). But this story was closer to an old "What if..." story where Iron man got stranded in the midle ages and had to make a battery.

[Chosen Raven]

Okay, well, didn't like this episode at all really. It had a slightly funny beginning, that's about it. It was very...JLU-ish.
Things that annoyed me:

1. How many times is the dude-turns-out-to-be-a-girl thing going to be used? You guys want to know a flawless way to tell whether a heavilly covered up figure is male or female? If said person is highly skilled and a male says the person is good, then it's female.

2. Cyborg and his "inventing" of electricity should have screwed up the timeline BIG TIME.

3. How in the heck did pictures get taken of the barbarian clan? It's not like the camera was invented or anything. And what's up with a fully human Cyborg being in the picture?

4. Why do writers give every black male on TV multiple love interests? The relationship here seemed incredibly forced.

I give the episode a 2/10. It wasn't bad because it followed Birthmark, it was bad because it wasn't good. It was a Teen Titans episode without a Teen Titans feel too it.

[Duke]

3. How in the heck did pictures get taken of the barbarian clan? It's not like the camera was invented or anything. And what's up with a fully human Cyborg being in the picture?
It was a drawing, not a photograph.

[Dorko]

I liked it. It was intended to be a fun episode, and it served it's purpose. 4/5

[Chosen Raven]

It was a drawing, not a photograph.
Well, I guess that explains the cyberless Cyborg. But I swear, that drawing looked way to much like the real thing(especially Saracen). I even checked the episode to see if it was a drawing before posting. Oh well.

And how the heck did they beat the monster dude? He and his minions were clobbering them.

[creeper]

The episode was ok, but it sucked because it failed to end the story. It's kinda like they got the 25 minute mark and said "oops out of time". Nothing was really resolved. Even if they managed to beat the guy, which I doubt, it leaves the matter of the witch. Only when both are dealt with does the story end. This should have been a two parter. It was doing well up to the point raven pulled him out..

[Behonkiss]

I, too, downright hated this episode. It felt different in a bad way and was stuffed with poorly done cliches- similar to that kung-fu Robin episode a few weeks back.

Maybe I'm just crazy, but am I the only one thinking that Cyborg helped win the fight at the end? I could swear he launched his last shot right before Raven grabbed him, and it was shown hurtling toward whatsisname while Cyborg was warped back.

[n8twing]

no one has mentioned that SaraSim is named after Sarah Simms, Cyborg's comic book love interest!

[Doomsday]

Not an bad episode. I wished Raven didn't show Cyborg the book at the end. The episode had a Army of Darkness kind of feel to it. I wished he said something like "This is my Boomstick" when he blowed the green creature away. Also would of liked to know more about the witch. Overall an ok episode but it could of been much better. 3.5 stars, next week looks like it has atleast good animation unlike this episode.

[Mystique]

I was sort of glad Raven showed Cyborg the book. I like knowing that the green monsters were defeated. :)

[Zako Busshi]

One of the best eps yet, but not as good as birthmark. :D

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I think it was a nice episode, I liked the character of Sararsim (Sorry, I forgot her name) The funny lines in the bigining, and in the end of the episode were a nice touch. :p I liked that Raven and Cyborg had to spend some time together, just like they did in episode "Car Trouble" Nice Animation. Too bad we don't know too much about the ancient civilization and the witch. (Like how they both come to exist in 3000 BC and be so advanced?) :confused:

[Warrior Kitana]

This episode was okay. It's not all bad considering it's a Cyborg centered episode. I really wasn't expecting a follow-up to Birthmark, so I wasn't quite as disappointed as some of the other fans were. But...

One of my main problems with these Cyborg centered episodes is that they usually revolve around him obsessing over a new toy (usually a car or something) or the usual, how his human half outweighs his robotic limits.

BTW, how many love interests is Cyborg going to have. I guess, since in seasons 1 and 2 many people considered him the odd guy left out because of the Robin/Starfire crush and the whole Raven/BeastBoy/Terra triangle thing that some fans consider. But Cyborg has had Jinx, BumbleBee, and now Saracen (or whatever her name was)

I wasn't really feeling the whole relationship with Cyborg and Saracen. It did seem rather predictable and forced. I did feel the Cyborg's dilemma of him not being able to save her at the end. But it was good to know she had managed to survive somehow.

I give this episode a 2.5 outta 5. Not bad, but could've been much better.

[Style]

1. How many times is the dude-turns-out-to-be-a-girl thing going to be used? You guys want to know a flawless way to tell whether a heavilly covered up figure is male or female? If said person is highly skilled and a male says the person is good, then it's female.I don't have a problem with Sarasim being a bad ass.



2. Cyborg and his "inventing" of electricity should have screwed up the timeline BIG TIME.
despite the fact that the village created a dynamo for Cyborg, I doubt they understood it enough to use it for other applications. All they really did was mimic Cyborg's design.



3. How in the heck did pictures get taken of the barbarian clan? It's not like the camera was invented or anything. And what's up with a fully human Cyborg being in the picture?
As has been said earlier, it's a picture. the Thematic Reason why Cy is Cyberless is because he proved himself to Sarasim as a true warrior, and she asked the drawer to draw him without his "armor." Remember, she said "True warriors don't need armor."



4. Why do writers give every black male on TV multiple love interests? The relationship here seemed incredibly forced.
Has Cyborg had any other love interest? That thing with BumbleBee was a situation with fans reading more into it than was ever there. And who else? The Soap Opera girl?

[DLM]

One of my main problems with these Cyborg centered episodes is that they usually revolve around him obsessing over a new toy (usually a car or something) or the usual, how his human half outweighs his robotic limits.

At least he isn't annoying. Up untill Birthmark, Cyborg was the only one of the kids I cared about even in the slightest. Robin is obsessive and annoying, Starfire is perky and annoying, Raven was Gothy and annoying, and Beast Boy is... well, annoying and annoying. Now, Birthmark changed my attitude about Raven at least. But I have to say the Cyborg character exposition was one of plusses to this episode in my book.

[Chosen Raven]

I don't have a problem with Sarasim being a bad ass.

Nor do I. I'm simply annoyed by the cliched way she was shown to be one. Whenever a girl is shown to have skill, writers always try to shove it in your face(I'm not just talking about TT here).


despite the fact that the village created a dynamo for Cyborg, I doubt they understood it enough to use it for other applications. All they really did was mimic Cyborg's design.

But they created a better working one on a larger scale. No matter what time period they're in, humanity is very curious. As soon as the battle was over, some of the brains would have immediately started work on a better generator.


As has been said earlier, it's a picture. the Thematic Reason why Cy is Cyberless is because he proved himself to Sarasim as a true warrior, and she asked the drawer to draw him without his "armor." Remember, she said "True warriors don't need armor."

I posted about this earlier. In my opinion, it's still way too perfect looking to be a drawing(even though I'm sure the creators of the show meant it to be).


Has Cyborg had any other love interest? That thing with BumbleBee was a situation with fans reading more into it than was ever there. And who else? The Soap Opera girl?
You're forgeting Jinx. And I forgot the Soap Opera girl...that makes four. Bumblebee seemed to pretty obviously have a thing for Cyborg. Even if the feeling wasn't mutual, which it didn't seem it was, it still counts as a love interest.

[I-Am That Is]

It was fun. Predictable as all Hell, & suffering from being shown after the magnificence of "Birthmark", but still fun.

BTW, is anyone else going nuts trying to figure out where he was? It's supposedly 3000 BC, the architecture seems Mesoamerican, they seemed to be Caucasian (exept Sarasim), their outfits when not armored were sterotypical Barbarian (read: Norse or Celt), the armor doesn't match ANYTHING I know of, & they seemed to be using iron or steel which makes no sense since I don't think those were developed before 500 BC.

[Outlander00]

BTW, is anyone else going nuts trying to figure out where he was? It's supposedly 3000 BC, the architecture seems Mesoamerican, they seemed to be Caucasian (exept Sarasim), their outfits when not armored were sterotypical Barbarian (read: Norse or Celt), the armor doesn't match ANYTHING I know of, & they seemed to be using iron or steel which makes no sense since I don't think those were developed before 500 BC.
I dont think they were going for historical/archealogical preciseness with the design... However I am impressed you picked up on all those different cultures/social markers ;)

[I-Am That Is]

I dont think they were going for historical/archealogical preciseness with the design... However I am impressed you picked up on all those different cultures/social markers ;)Thanks.:o

Another thing: I coulda sworn her name was Saracen, which was the name of a group of Muslims (I'm not sure if they were a nation, a tribe, an ethnic group, or a sub-sect), & she is dark enough to be mideastern.

[Crow]

This is a general Teen Titans question. From the outset TT showed it was a character-driven show and each episode gave a good spotlight to one character first and foremost; than secondly you had the plot; and or a lesser focus on another character who is either a goodie or baddie.

Now I do enjoy the show because of this, but it seems that from reading this thread that Cyborg is still stressing over his robo-bits. I did like episodes like Sum of his Parts and Only Human but to see him/the writers still plugging away at this seems a bit strange.

In Justice League Diana's no longer the Amazon she used to be/Hippolyta still is and (at least I hope) Superman has finally reconciled the fact he would be quite dangerous if he (and every single time he has done in S:TAS and JL) went rogue.

What I'm getting at is this - are the Titans getting on with their lives after the "showcased flaws" they each had in Series 1/2 and are the writers giving them new issues to come to grips with?

I don't know if this should be a new thread with a poll or not.

It seems that Raven is having her "time in the sun" at the moment, so I'll not bring her father/dark side issue up. Let's say she turns up next series and has a different bugbear.

Again I might not have all the facts, but Starfire's pet peeve seems to be she is afraid the team might stop liking her/she might do something wrong and lose them as friends if she isn't super-careful.

Beastboy, from what I could tell in that Beast Within talkback, has gotten a new character flaw and he's now "over Terra" and everything that happened to him in S2. This is a good thing if it is the case.

Robin's.......what? I'm interested to see what TT does with his character when I get to see S3 and S4.

Even the X-Files made sure Mulder and Scully weren't always simple cliches of almost-fanatic believer and close-minded sceptic; they started to change their ways around the time of its 3rd/4th series I think.

If Cyborg in this episode isn't just worrying about his human and inhuman parts, then great! But it sounds like he's still got this as his character flaw.

[CaptainRed]

Nice ending, even if a little pedestrian.

A LITTLE pedestrian? That thing got off the bus and crawled home.

The episode was good, for the most part, until the end. When they wrote that, I think they realized it was a half-hour show and had run out of time.


Bah, the village probably deus ex machina'ed to win or something.

The entire after and including Cyborg's trip home was a deus ex machina. Well, except for the book. I could buy Raven finding that book, but would've liked to have seen it about five to ten minutes later, when it should have happened.


Four quibbles with the episode:

1- We never know why Cyborg got picked...there are stronger people, like Superman.

That didn't bother me so much.


2- They spoke English...about 3500 years before it came about.

THANK YOU! I'd forgotten about that, and thank you for pointing it out. While watching the episode it really bothered me... considering that English as a language didn't exist for more than 1500 years after that, and until the 1600s probably wasn't something most English speakers would be able to grok.


3- The people learned to generate electricity from Cyborg. Electricity is NOT something people had 5000 years ago. That should have REALLY f'd up the timeline, but it didn't, apparently?

I'm almost willing to explain this one away. Just like I'm almost willing to explain away the fact that they were able to generate energy for him at all. Almost.


4- The ending was pretty anti-climatic. I'm all for seeing Raven's powers, but it just kinda killed the power of the moment when he gets sucked back into the future.

Maybe I'm just a perfectionist...but I give it ** anyways.

Seconded, seconded, and seconded.


How does Darkseid speak english? How do Jax Ur and Malla speak english? How does every alien on both Stargate series speak english? How do Star Trek aliens speak english when there is no way there is a universal translator anywhere near, and even when there might be a universal translator how come their lips move in unison with english words? Trust me, if you want to enjoy pop culture fantasy and sci-fi at all the biggest suspension of disbelief you have to excersize as a prerequisite is the whole language thing. There is no good answer, just treat it as an area your brain isn't allowed to go and just relax and enjoy.

Ahhh.... uh-uh.

I can technobabble out most of those examples with information given in the series. For those I can't, the scenario stands as a rather bad plot hole, as it is in this case.

Darkseid had plenty of time to learn English. He could easily transport spies to wherever he set his eye on next, to gather information in different areas, including that of language. When he made his first appearance, he revealed himself, rather than being spontaneously discovered.

I don't know about Star Trek recently, but I think they gave up on trying to reconcile the language issue a long time ago.

All your examples, though, involve either aliens, the far future, or both. These are areas we know little about, and have little belief to suspend in them. This episode took place in a theoretical past. I'm as willing as the next guy to accept a quick magic explanation for it, or some technobabble attached to Cyborg's machinery, but neither was offered.


The episode was ok, but it sucked because it failed to end the story. It's kinda like they got the 25 minute mark and said "oops out of time". Nothing was really resolved. Even if they managed to beat the guy, which I doubt, it leaves the matter of the witch. Only when both are dealt with does the story end. This should have been a two parter. It was doing well up to the point raven pulled him out..

Bah, beat me to it... by about three days.

I very much agree -- win or lose against or with both the guy and the witch; don't take the ball and go home early.

*honks hugs and whatever else*
Cappy Red

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I think Cyborg and Bumblebee are just good friends, not boyfriend/girlfriend the way Robin and Starfire are, or BB and Terra were. :yawn:

[Batman Fan]

Originally posted by adoptedBatpuppy
I think Cyborg and Bumblebee are just good friends, not boyfriend/girlfriend the way Robin and Starfire are, or BB and Terra were. :yawn:

I always thought BB and Terra were a bit more than just good friends.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Well, yes but Terra is not around anymore. :crying:

[wite_c]

K, I'd have to say this is my favorite Cyborg ep ever. That doesn't mean it's great, but it wasn't as bad as some I've seen.

"RAVEN, you like waffles doncha?" Well, now we know why. "Evil beware. We have waffles."

All in all, I'd say, 3 *. This is likely partially because we just saw birthmark, so sorry cy, but this one only gets 3.