who is wonder woman father??

[bobspoland]

i dont know if this topic has been discussed before on here. anyone care too help me out here. if WW is from a island with no men...whos her father??

[Style]

I don't know a lot about WonderWoman's history, but I know that in at least one version of her story, she didn't have a father, nor was she born naturally. Basically, Hippolota was longing for a daughter, and sculpted a little girl out of clay. After which, Hippolota loved the clay statue girl so much that she begged Aphrodite to make the girl real. Aphrodite did, and the girl also had incredible power. Ofcourse, the price for this was that Dianna would eventually leave paradise Island to become a Champion of Peace and Freedom in Man's world.

[Karkull]

Wonder Woman's father was the nameless caveman who killed Hippolyta in her first life when she was pregnant with Diana.

[Style]

Wonder Woman's father was the nameless caveman who killed Hippolyta in her first life when she was pregnant with Diana.
Yeah, I know about the reincarnation aspect, but the "sculpted from clay" still holds true for when Wonderwoman was born the second time, right?

[Casey Mack]

Yeah, I know about the reincarnation aspect, but the "sculpted from clay" still holds true for when Wonderwoman was born the second time, right?

man dun worry stly92 you were right, Diana was carved out of clay. She was then blessed by the gods with incredible powers. Diana has no papa.
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[Russkafin]

OK, so... what about all the OTHER women on the island? If there are no men... who are ANY of their fathers??? :eek:

[Karkull]

Read my write-up for Wonder Woman. It should answer all of your questions:

http://jl.toonzone.net/wonder/wonder.htm

[WonderRaver]

While I think you did a marvelous job of summarizing Wonder Woman's backstory, I can help but realize that a lot of what you state is from her post-crisis comic book origin. I wonder how much of the animated version shares this history.


Actually, I wonder if the writers even care. In days of old, cartoon characters just were. We never had the backstory of The Superfriends (at first), Scooby Doo, Yogi Bear, etc. etc. People were content at just enjoying the day to day adventures of all their cartoon stars. Is the audience different today? Do we really care about the history of each character? Or is it an added bonus?

-Matt

[Karkull]

While I think you did a marvelous job of summarizing Wonder Woman's backstory, I can help but realize that a lot of what you state is from her post-crisis comic book origin. I wonder how much of the animated version shares this history.
That was the conclusion that I came up with based on my research and analysis. It was Wonder Woman as the "new hero" in a world that already had heroes (unlike pre-Crisis, where she was one of the first) and it adhered pretty closely to classical mythology (as the revamp did). Besides, did you see any Amazons riding kangaroos?

:p

[Fone Bone]

Wonder Woman's father was the nameless caveman who killed Hippolyta in her first life when she was pregnant with Diana.So wait, the caveman killed Hippolyta when she was pregnant with his kid? That's cold. No wonder Hippolyta hates men.

[El Zorro]

OK, so... what about all the OTHER women on the island? If there are no men... who are ANY of their fathers??? :eek: The Amazon's in Wonder Woman are loosly based on the Amazon's from Greek Mythology. Here's an excerpt from an article at Pantheon.org (http://www.pantheon.org/):
There are many variations to the all female tribe. As how they multiplied, some say the Amazons met with men from nearby societies, then after choosing a suitable partner would take them into the darkness of the forest and there they would couple with them. When the time came, and if they gave birth to a male, they would kill, blind or cripple the infant. If they kept them alive they would then use them when they grew into young men (if they were suitable) as a supply of male seed. They also took men prisoner in battle, after choosing the most handsome they then used them for their pleasure, and would either kill them or use them as slaves once their usefulness had been expended.
[Full Article (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/amazons.html)]

In the comics I believe its been established that the Amazon's are immortal & thus don't need to reproduce, thus solving the problem altogether. I've never followed WW too close in the comics, so others might know more.

You might also want to check out the article on Hyppolyta (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hippolyta.htm).

[WonderRaver]

Karkull, I think it is safe to bet that you are correct. The Animated Diana is most closely based on the Post-Crisis comic version. But, she is based on... not the exact same. No contest, no truth connection, a strong dislike for men... these are not parts of the comic book version, so who's to say that her origin is different as well? b.t.! Get over here and tell us everything you were thinking when you dreamed up this animated version of Wonder Woman!

Fone Bone, I don't think Hippolyta had any memories from her previous life. She may have later learned her origins from the gods, but I don't think she had any resentment from that incident. Now, her rape and torture by Heracles.... that's a different story.

El Zorro, you are correct that the DC Amazons are immortal and do not need to reproduce. However, there was an Egyptian tribe desended from the Greeks that was not immortal. They kept men handy for continuing the bloodline in the fashion you described. This Egyptian tribe (the Banas) eventually joined their sister Amazons on Themyscira. I don't recall if they have since gained immortality.

-Matt

[FALLEN ELDOR]

things like this could be answered if b.t. and crew would give us detailed write ups, kinda like an animated Who's Who. That's why I love Karkull so much for doing it for us :anime: still some official "yeah, that sounds good" would be nice :)

[Fone Bone]

Karkull, I think it is safe to bet that you are correct. The Animated Diana is most closely based on the Post-Crisis comic version. But, she is based on... not the exact same. No contest, no truth connection, a strong dislike for men... these are not parts of the comic book version, so who's to say that her origin is different as well? b.t.! Get over here and tell us everything you were thinking when you dreamed up this animated version of Wonder Woman!

Fone Bone, I don't think Hippolyta had any memories from her previous life. She may have later learned her origins from the gods, but I don't think she had any resentment from that incident. Now, her rape and torture by Heracles.... that's a different story.

El Zorro, you are correct that the DC Amazons are immortal and do not need to reproduce. However, there was an Egyptian tribe desended from the Greeks that was not immortal. They kept men handy for continuing the bloodline in the fashion you described. This Egyptian tribe (the Banas) eventually joined their sister Amazons on Themyscira. I don't recall if they have since gained immortality.

-MattJebus! Hercules raped and tortured Hippolyta? When did this happen? Who writes this stuff?

[V.L.]

Jebus! Hercules raped and tortured Hippolyta? When did this happen? Who writes this stuff? http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/upload/3/31/Mighty-Hercules-mw.jpg

Wanted for questioning? :confused:

[Spectre]

An 'H' on his buckle? Okay, that's just going too far.

[Merlin Missy]

Well, she does bear a slight resemblance to Mom's ex-boyfriend Hades ...

MM:)

[thearchduke]

Well, she does bear a slight resemblance to Mom's ex-boyfriend Hades ...


Would be cool if this scenario was explored, but I'm not holding my breath.

I also kinda wanted Zeus to be the daddy, a nod to his behavior in the traditional myths.

[Kazuya]

Darth Vader:p ;) :D

[Kazuya]

http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/upload/3/31/Mighty-Hercules-mw.jpg

Wanted for questioning? :confused:I so wish I could find those old hercules episodes they rocked, it sucked though I was called newt a lot in school:(

[DLM]

Im Wonder Woman's father. At least that what she said when I was whispering "who's your daddy" in her ear. :evil:

ahh, I know, lame joke.. but still fun

[Kazuya]

Im Wonder Woman's father. At least that what she said when I was whispering "who's your daddy" in her ear. :evil:

ahh, I know, lame joke.. but still funLMAO:zim:

[WonderRaver]

Jebus! Hercules raped and tortured Hippolyta? When did this happen? Who writes this stuff?
In ancient Mythology, Heracles was given twelve labors. One of which was to get the girdle of Hippolyta. In some stories, Herc killed Hippy. In others, he wooed her so that she gave it to him. There were several different takes on the myth.

Post-Crisis, Perez took the route of Heracles tricked Hippolyta and the Amazons (which was one interpretation from Greek folklore). He and his men basically poisoned all the Amazons, had their way with them, then chained them up as prisoners. After Heracles left for his next mission, Hippy was aided by the goddess Athena in escaping. She freed her sisters, which caused a big bloody battle. After which, half of the Amazons decided to break off and hunt for Heracles for retribution, while Hippy took her lot to Themyscira where the gods put them in charge of watching over Doom's Doorway.

Later in Perez' series, readers came to find out that Heracles was eventually punished for his crimes against the Amazons. He had been placed under Themyscira to hold it up (think Atlas). Diana rescued him, the gods relieved him of his punishment, and Hippy forgave him. All was nicey-nice between Herc and the Amazons until the evil John Byrne took over writing. But, I won't go into that.

-Matt
Keeper of all that is Wonder

[Fone Bone]

I don't know who John Byrne is but I like him already. Something like that you just don't forgive.:sad:

[BigFatHairyDeal]

I don't know who John Byrne is but I like him already. Something like that you just don't forgive.:sad:
In DCU circles, Byrne is perhaps most noted for his Superman revamp of the 1980's, re-defining the Man of Steel in all aspects. I really enjoyed his work on Superman.

However, WonderRaver's complaint about Byrne's work on WW is well-warranted. I believe he began work on WW starting with issue 101 or so, and had a significant disregard for the previous 100 issues and the encompassing developments. He made WW a side-character in her own book, focusing on other characters such as Hippolyta.

[Fone Bone]

In DCU circles, Byrne is perhaps most noted for his Superman revamp of the 1980's, re-defining the Man of Steel in all aspects. I really enjoyed his work on Superman.

However, WonderRaver's complaint about Byrne's work on WW is well-warranted. I believe he began work on WW starting with issue 101 or so, and had a significant disregard for the previous 100 issues and the encompassing developments. He made WW a side-character in her own book, focusing on other characters such as Hippolyta.What did he do with Hippolyta and Hercules that made Wonder Raver so mad?

[El Zorro]

In DCU circles, Byrne is perhaps most noted for his Superman revamp of the 1980's, re-defining the Man of Steel in all aspects. I really enjoyed his work on Superman.

However, WonderRaver's complaint about Byrne's work on WW is well-warranted. I believe he began work on WW starting with issue 101 or so, and had a significant disregard for the previous 100 issues and the encompassing developments. He made WW a side-character in her own book, focusing on other characters such as Hippolyta.
But does that really warrant calling the man "evil"? Seems a bit excessive to me...

[randomguy]

In ancient Mythology, Heracles was given twelve labors. One of which was to get the girdle of Hippolyta. In some stories, Herc killed Hippy. In others, he wooed her so that she gave it to him. There were several different takes on the myth.
As a brief aside, Kurt Busiek utilized this mythology to interesting effect in his JLA/Avengers crossover. Hercules is a real figure in the Marvel Universe; in fact, he's been in the Avengers multiple times. However, in Marvel's Universe, his involvement with Hippolyta was consensual. So when Wonder Woman meets up with him for the first time in JLA/Avengers, she proceeds to beat the living daylights out of him, and he has no idea why. It was pretty funny.

[WonderRaver]

But does that really warrant calling the man "evil"? Seems a bit excessive to me...It was meant as a joke, but I suppose you are correct. I do not like John Byrne much, but I could have used a different word. 'Egotistical' comes to mind.

Fone Bone, the whole thing with Hippy and Herc... I guess when you become immortal, you have a bit more time to contemplate things. Hippy didn't forgive Herc outright, he had to earn it. During Perez' run Heracles was quite heroic (once he was released from his prison). When Burne took over, Heracles became a trickster again, earning the wrath of Diana. Basically, Herc came to Earth and took on a persona of "The Champion". He used some godly magic to have Diana fall in love with him so that he could exact revenge on Hippy for embarrassing him. How she embarrassed him was never really explained. Later, Herc revealed that he couldn't continue his crusade, because he had fallen for Diana. Suddenly, Heracles' subplot was dropped from existence!

Truth be told, I often found myself wondering if Byrne would randomly write stuff only to make up more stuff to cover the previous made-up stuff.... confusing? You bet! So was most of Byrne's run on Wonder Woman.:confused:

-Matt
ps- My 200th post! Yipee!