Case Closed TCG in June

[livingfruitvirus]

Score Plans Case Closed TCG
For June
January 24, 2005 Score Entertainment will release the Case Closed TCG in late June. The new game will be released in starters ($10.99) and boosters ($2.99). Starter displays will contain six units, booster displays will contain 12 -- configurations that have received a good reception from pop culture retailers.



Case Closed airs on the Adult Swim block on Cartoon Network. FUNimation is marketing the anime DVDs, and Viz the manga collections. Detective Conan, as the series is known in Japan, was very popular there, and initial response in the States has also been good. With this kind of broad awareness for the property, the Case Closed TCG should get a high initial trial from consumers. What's the point of this? Adult Swim's pretty much finished with new episodes. It's not like kids watch it. And "good response" in the States? If you say so. :rolleyes:

[MrBananagrabber]

Awfully odd choice for a show to convert into a card game. "I'll play my Brutually Maimed Naked Woman!" or "Ah hah, I'll counter you with my Rigor Mortis!" isn't really the way I'd see a card game being promoted.

[Discloner]

I'm still waiting for Case Closed Clue and Case Closed Clue JR. to come out.

[KnightusMaximus]

That does seem like an odd property to choose for a card game, a much more obvious one being something like the 2003 TCG of the Year "Yu Yu Hakusho" and shows like that. I mean, what Ryoga said. ;)

But nonetheless, Case Closed is getting some merchandise eh, I hope the TCG does well, I hope "the response in the States is good". Forget that, Case Closed needs to do a whole lot better than "good" when it gets back on TV if it wants to have a future. Hopefully the reruns will seem practically new by the time its back on and [AS] won't give it an even deadlier timeslot than they did before, like 1:30AM.

[RedBoot]

Well, well. This sounds like fun. I guess I'll have to cut down on buying my Yu Yu Hakusho, Inuyasha, and Shaman King TCG packs so that I can afford Case Closed TCG packs.

Or wait, maybe I should just ignore it. After all, it's only a matter of time before the One Piece, D.I.C.E, Zatch Bell, Naruto, and Bleach TCGs come out. Should I save my money for them? After all, all of these shows equally deserve a TCG, and will probably be supported for years on end with multiple expansions and a large player base. Oh, what shall I do?

:rolleyes:

[Beat]

OK, releasing a trading card game for a dead franchise on an adult block?

Further proof that Case Closed was out of its element with Americans. But this at least gives hope for the Law and Order and NYPD Blue trading card games.:p

[Zyzzybalubah]

Hahahaha that's so lame. The only way this could work is if we see "all new series, Case Closed this June on Toonami." Otherwise, that's just asking for wasted money.

[Gokou Ruri]

Everything has a card game in Japan. Berserk, Hentai, Case Closed, .hack... :D But most of them suck, IMO. The only good card games are those not based off the actual series themselves (Mainly Duel Masters, Magic, and Yu-Gi-Oh)

[Yash]

Awfully odd choice for a show to convert into a card game. "I'll play my Brutually Maimed Naked Woman!" or "Ah hah, I'll counter you with my Rigor Mortis!" isn't really the way I'd see a card game being promoted.
Naked Rachel/Conan hot springs would be sexay.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

That's interesting. Maybe the DVD sales have been good or something like that.

[Invader Z]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: WHAT?! CASE CLOSED AS A FRIGGIN' CARD GAME?!?!?!??! THAT ONLY HAPPENS WHEN THE ANIME SUCKS! CASE CLOSED DOES NOT SUCK! STOP IT NOW! WHY MUST ADULT SWIM SPIT ON CASE CLOSED'S BURIED ALIVE GRAVE?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!???!?!?!??!?!?!?? We gotta stop this! It would ruin CC forever! I hate TCGs! And how can a MYSTERY show BE A CARD GAME?! I want my CC back with only Manga, Anime, and DVDs! We gotta get Gosho to stop this!

[Sampo]

Awfully odd choice for a show to convert into a card game. "I'll play my Brutually Maimed Naked Woman!" or "Ah hah, I'll counter you with my Rigor Mortis!" isn't really the way I'd see a card game being promoted. I would try to make cards out of these images... But I don't have the time right now. :sweat:

Title of Card: Conan is screwed! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/conan1.jpg) Effect: If there is a Conan card in play, remove it from the field and throw it into the morgue.


Naked Rachel/Conan hot springs would be sexay. Since I posted that image one too many times, here is Another image of Conan and the hotsprings flashback. If Rachel found out, Conan would be VERY dead. Originally it was suppose to be used as a joke for something, but it never panned out. Don't worry about the content, it's nothing we haven't seen on Adult Swim. ;)

Title of Card: Hot Springs!!! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/conanbath2.jpg) Effect: Both players must reveal their cards to each other.

My take on this card stuff. What a waste of money to create a card game for this show. Oh well.

[William C. Maune]

Didn't Score also announce a card game around the time it was announced Yu Yu Hakusho would move to Toonami? Naw, that wouldn't happen...

[Demonic Raven]

Title of Card: Hot Springs!!! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/conanbath2.jpg) Conan was in a hot springs with naked Kagome!?!? GAH....DAMN YOU CONAN! :mad: :crying:

[Don_East]

And how can a MYSTERY show BE A CARD GAME?!Good question, & for the sake of Case Closed & the kids there will be no answer. Before Case Closed becomes maintream anime crap.

[Chad Bonin]

"That's it for Dragonball Z, Case Closed is next, only Toonami"

... wait... does Toonami even do those mid-show bumpers anymore?

[William C. Maune]

... wait... does Toonami even do those mid-show bumpers anymore?

Unfortunately not, otherwise they could have some fun transitioning from Master Roshi to Rachel's Dad.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Case Closed isn't moving to Toonami because of this. They can't show it on Toonami unless TV-PG is suddenly allowed, in which case I'd be okay, but the S&P wouldn't be.



And the YYH Card Game was announced several weeks after the move to Toonami was common knowledge.

[Chad Bonin]

Unfortunately not, otherwise they could have some fun transitioning from Master Roshi to Rachel's Dad.Actually, there's multiple ways they coulda done it. Letchery, chewing out little children, whatever...


Case Closed isn't moving to Toonami because of this. They can't show it on Toonami unless TV-PG is suddenly allowed, in which case I'd be okay, but the S&P wouldn't be.Hey, ya new know, we might get a shortened Case Closed: Adventures of the Junior Detective League.

Or, if it kicks off Kenshin, they could potentially get away with nobody noticing it's not that edited...

[William C. Maune]

Case Closed isn't moving to Toonami because of this. They can't show it on Toonami unless TV-PG is suddenly allowed, in which case I'd be okay, but the S&P wouldn't be.

It could happen at TV-Y7, although they'd probably have to cut some of the more objectionable episodes. Luckily most Case Closed episodes are stand alone.

Plus, almost half the Toonami shows would probably be TV-PG about anywhere else.


And the YYH Card Game was announced several weeks after the move to Toonami was common knowledge.

YYH to Toonami was announced Feb. 9, 2003.

YYH Card Game by Score announced Feb 17, 2003.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Okay, but my point remains that it was after the move was announced.


And some episodes, 90% of episodes would be cut. Too many episodes revolve aorund plot points like lit cigarettes, a body being naked, and all sorts of other objectionable content. Plus, just look at how badly guns have been mangled in a series like SEED, you think a more realistic series will let guns slide?

This show cannot air below TV-PG, it would be impossible.

[William C. Maune]

And some episodes, 90% of episodes would be cut. Too many episodes revolve aorund plot points like lit cigarettes, a body being naked, and all sorts of other objectionable content. Plus, just look at how badly guns have been mangled in a series like SEED, you think a more realistic series will let guns slide?

90% of the episodes don't revolve around things as objectionable as cigarettes and naked bodies. That's a big exaggeration. Guns are edited in SEED because they are pointed at kids. Relatively few Conan episodes involve people pointing guns at kids. It does happen, but only in a minority of episodes.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I didn't say 90% of them revolved around them, I used those as examples of what 90% of the episodes revolve around.

Guns would be edited because you have death revolving around guns, knives, drowning, and people getting limbs hacked off. Realistic death is not allowed on Toonami, only deaths from piloting mobile suits or people who have super powers like in YYH or JLU.

You just cannot have that kind of stuff on Toonami.

[Sampo]

Didn't Score also announce a card game around the time it was announced Yu Yu Hakusho would move to Toonami? Naw, that wouldn't happen... *As Sampo thinks of the above, a little Hamtaro jumps on a hamster wheel and starts his imagination running.*

Conan (using Richard Moore's voice) "After the Murderer suspect killed knocked the victim unconscious, he dragged her dead corpse body into the freezer. Then he tossed the bloodied knife blunt wea... instrument into the trashbin. To cover up his tracks, he wiped away the blood with a mop carefully cleaned up the crime scene. He hid the bloodied mop in the janitor's closet to implicate him in the murder crime.

So it was YOU Sampo! You are the one who killed hurt Mrs. Kirifuda because she was going to tell her husband about you making her your woman you didn't like her!"

Mr. Kirifuda "OMG YOU MURDERED! Hurt my wife! I can never forgive you!"

Dectective Meguire "I'll take it from here Moore. I guess I have to call the guys from the morgue the hospistal to expect the body patient."


I didn't say 90% of them revolved around them, I used those as examples of what 90% of the episodes revolve around.

Guns would be edited because you have death revolving around guns, knives, drowning, and people getting limbs hacked off. Realistic death is not allowed on Toonami, only deaths from piloting mobile suits or people who have super powers like in YYH or JLU.

You just cannot have that kind of stuff on Toonami.
*Sampo shrugs*

[Rabi~en~Rose]

funny lfv should be the one to post this news :eek:

prediction date - February 6th 2004
prediction upheld - January 24th 2005 (two weeks shy of a year)

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=101709&page=5


I declare FUNi will have a Case Closed TCG released. and when it does LFV will have to eat a pack of those cards. if by some twist of fate one doesn't come out I'll eat a pack of the YYH cards


not while it's on AS

if it moves to Toonami and they do, i will. otherwise you have to. that's called the Toxx Clause. so whatever the outcome, the victim must post pictures of themself eating the cards.

btw, they might never come out with one. so suggest a time frame (in the next X months?)

:D

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Bon Appetite.

[William C. Maune]

I didn't say 90% of them revolved around them, I used those as examples of what 90% of the episodes revolve around.

That's why I said "things as objectionable as" those things. Most episodes aren't as bad as you are making them out to be.


Guns would be edited because you have death revolving around guns, knives, drowning, and people getting limbs hacked off. Realistic death is not allowed on Toonami, only deaths from piloting mobile suits or people who have super powers like in YYH or JLU.

I think there could be an exception in Case Closed's case since the victim's are always found already dead, thus the intensity of the scene is lessened. Thus, you actually have less of an impact that a fight scene where one person ends up killing the other.


*As Sampo thinks of the above, a little Hamtaro jumps on a hamster wheel and starts his imagination running.*

Here in 2005, the words "kill" and "murder" are all over Toonami. As Sensui says on Yu Yu Hakusho, "Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill...."

[livingfruitvirus]

:Dhasn't moved to toonami. bet's only half-fulfilled

[Gokou Ruri]

The fact Toonami let guns kill Bee/Mr. Satan in DBZ is enough for CC to do just fine on Toonami, sans a few episode.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

hasn't moved to toonami. bet's only half-fulfilled

I only predicted the CC TCG you added in the move to Toonami :) but its ok we never shook on it or something so no worries :)

[Discloner]

I only predicted the CC TCG you added in the move to Toonami :) but its ok we never shook on it or something so no worries :)I was momentarily looking forward to seeing that picture too. :sad:

Couldn't you two call it a tie, and both eat half a pack of the respective card pack titles?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

That's why I said "things as objectionable as" those things. Most episodes aren't as bad as you are making them out to be.



I think there could be an exception in Case Closed's case since the victim's are always found already dead, thus the intensity of the scene is lessened. Thus, you actually have less of an impact that a fight scene where one person ends up killing the other.



Here in 2005, the words "kill" and "murder" are all over Toonami. As Sensui says on Yu Yu Hakusho, "Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill...."
The crime scenes are mentioned in detal by Conan though, and are realistic. Opening a tunnel to unleash demons is fine, because its unrealistic. Having people shot and burned alive is not kosher for Toonami.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

coughRurouniKenshincough

Just say'n...

You have to face the facts Kuwabara even though Case Closed shouldn't be edited it can be edited. It just wont be easy. And several episodes wouldn't air at all. But I still say 13 reruns to get the story established would suffice before airing any new episode that can be edited appropriately.

But I really do wish Toonami would just air it TV-PG at 10:30PM.

Adult Swim just isn't trying hard enough with Case Closed. It could be successful. The people I know who do like it air in college so it certainly doesn't fall on deph ears on Adult Swim.

The poor show got kicked to the curb and didn't even get two full runs.

And it's not FREAK'N OLD SKOOL!!!! It's only as old as Yu Yu Hakusho. Ignorant viewers and promoters!!!

If Toonami could some how save it... Then I'm all for it. I wont see every episode but at least I'll be able to see a fair share without having to buy every DVD (and boys that's gonna be a lot).

[William C. Maune]

However, I think there is a difference between a character suddenly being shot and a character being found already shot.

Also, as far as realism goes, we not only have a 17/18 year old who solves crimes for the Police Chief, but he is somehow trapped in an 8 year old's body, who has super special gadgets made for him by the genius professor.

[Sampo]

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I think there could be an exception in Case Closed's case since the victim's are always found already dead, thus the intensity of the scene is lessened. Thus, you actually have less of an impact that a fight scene where one person ends up killing the other.
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Yeah but when they recreate the crime and go into detail... Uh, a regular person could attempt that crime in a similar fashion. Exmple: WOW that guy posioned his bride to be with poison snuck into her drink. Hey I'll try the same thing with someone I hate at school!



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Here in 2005, the words "kill" and "murder" are all over Toonami. As Sensui says on Yu Yu Hakusho, "Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill...." Sensui is not a normal human being, since he can create a gun out of his hand. He stands infront of a portal filled with demons and is fighting a determined teenager that can fire a huge blast of enegry from his finger. Conan is a quirky kid (note, KID) who use to be a teenager. He has Dr. Agasa invent items for him to use. Without those items, he is just a regular little boy. By his side is a average down-on-his-luck detective and his daugther who knows karate (but never seems to use it much). They solve crimes that are similar to stuff you read in the newspaper or see on the Evening News such as spousal abuse, serial murderer, kidnappings, etc.

Also when he does use the term kill, he doesn't kill someone right there or show him doing the act of killing. When Hiei gutted Sniper, they removed that scene. Looking back at Gundam Seed, when the regular grunt died or gets killed, they removed it. "I'm going to kill them all!" I agree that's impressive for Toonami. But compared to "He just didn't kill her, he sliced her up in small pieces so he could carry her dead corpse with ease under his shirt."

A portion of each episode of Case Closed/Detective Conan describes how each unique crime is committed. Most of the time someone is dead because someone diced them up, hung them, shot, knifed, bodies impaled on various objects, and beheaded. So if you modify those cases (unless they are skipped), boy there will be lots of people heading to the hospital instead of the morgue.

[edit] bah, I type slow :sweat: oh well...

[William C. Maune]

Stuff

Look! A UFO!

<-- (runs)

[Sampo]

Look! A UFO!

<-- (runs)
I think the actual quote is "Look up there a Flying Saucer!!!"

:) I do agree that they CAN show Case Closed on Toonami. But it just that a bunch of episode will not be aired. Also they will have to something major about the recreations so that the "younger viewers" cannot do it themselves.

Oh well.

[Artimus Gigan]

There are like 300+ CC episodes and very few are connected right after the other. The series is very episodic so they could show the majority of the episodes out of order and no one would know, unless you have a listing already.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

A lot of episodes do make subtle references to past episodes, not to mention the new characters introduced and the characterization. If you showed episode one and then Episode 60 people would notice quite a few differences. Yes, its episodic, but there are new characters and references to past episodes.

[KnightusMaximus]

There are like 300+ CC episodes and very few are connected right after the other. The series is very episodic so they could show the majority of the episodes out of order and no one would know, unless you have a listing already.Its not as episodic in the future as it is within the first 127 episodes. People often say "nothing ever happens" in Case Closed and part of that is true - while the essence of everything remains the same today as it was in the beginning, over 30 major regularly recurring characters exist in the story (as oppose to in the beginning, where everything is pretty much JDL/Conan/Richard/Rachel), and gigantic changes often occur and give the impression the story is winding to a close (The Desperate Revival story arc and the Meeting with the Black Organization arc, for example), but what DC is infamous for is coming up with endings that put everything just like it was in the beginning. You're not really supposed to watch for the plot changes because like The Simpsons you're used to a cast of characters in the same place without many changes; but you're supposed to enjoy the ride and not skip around too much either if it could be avoided.

[email2003]

Case Closed aka Dectective Conan is a good anime series. I don't see why Adult Swim pulled it out of the line up. The dumb animes like Ghost in the Shell and Witch Hunter Robin are the ones that are boring.


BRING BACK DETECTIVE CONAN!!!!!!!!

Then one truth will prevale!

[Sampo]

Case Closed aka Dectective Conan is a good anime series. I don't see why Adult Swim pulled it out of the line up. The dumb animes like Ghost in the Shell and Witch Hunter Robin are the ones that are boring.


BRING BACK DETECTIVE CONAN!!!!!!!!

Then one truth will prevale! I am not sure I would classify Ghost in the Shell as a "dumb anime". The last episode Portriatz threw me for a loop. I though Togusa blew away that Cyborg and that lady got fried by an attack barrier, but after re-watching and reading the talkback for it... I am really confused what was real and not real during that particular episode. Also the episode of Idolator, there was a hotel scene between a tripped out guy and some cops. The fighting and resulting carnage was nuts...

As for Witch Hunter Robin. Uh,

*Points up to the sky*
Look up there! It's a flying saucer!

<---- Exits stage left.

[Pepperidge]

According to Gundam Official, there's a Gundam TCG coming to North America later this year.

I don't see that going to Toonami.

[Artimus Gigan]

Case Closed aka Dectective Conan is a good anime series. I don't see why Adult Swim pulled it out of the line up. The dumb animes like Ghost in the Shell and Witch Hunter Robin are the ones that are boring.


BRING BACK DETECTIVE CONAN!!!!!!!!

Then one truth will prevale!The people say nay...naaaay

Seriously it's out on DVD....just pony up the cash and get the umpteenth number of volumes...


And Sampo that's no UFO...that's a Death Ray

[Tash]

There are like 300+ CC episodes and very few are connected right after the other. The series is very episodic so they could show the majority of the episodes out of order and no one would know, unless you have a listing already.Yes, but you can't get rid of the first episode, which had one of the most violent killings in the series...

[MrBananagrabber]

Yes, but you can't get rid of the first episode, which had one of the most violent killings in the series...
"So, you made this guy on the roller coaster wear a white glowing mask over his head! You monster!" =P

I don't think it'll be coming to Toonami in the near future, since Adult Swim is going to rerun it sometime this year.

[Beat]

According to Gundam Official, there's a Gundam TCG coming to North America later this year.

I don't see that going to Toonami.
They had a TCG around the same time Wing was on, but it never took off...

[MattThomasM2B]

Blah.

The only thing worse than an anime that's edited and changed to suit an American audience......is an anime that's edited and changed to suit an American audience, and still fails.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I blame TMS for forcing the changes.

No one can ruin anime in the US like the Japanese.

[Lord Dalek]

Geez, they'll turn anything into a CCG nowadays.

[beren]

Yes, but you can't get rid of the first episode, which had one of the most violent killings in the series...

I don't think that was the most violent, a guy gets shot with a gun, or are you refering to the guy getting decapitated? There are lots of worse things that happen in the series

A guy gets stabbed to death in a muesuem by a guy in a suit of armor with a sword (that was very bloody), a guy gets stabbed to death in a house by a guy with a katana, there was that episode were the killer went around drowning people, there was the axe murdering fat skinny dude who cut people up with an axe and dropped thier body parts in a forest. There was the episode were the guy got shot in the face from above in a television station. I don't know how many times I saw swinging legs from when people had supposedly hung themselves.

I don't think the series would work at all edited down.

Conan "This guy is sleeping here (blood all over the place) someone drugged him to take his wallet";

Conan "ut oh that guy is going to shoot that train with his sniper rifle and make the people on the train late! ill kick a helmet at them"

Moore "hrmm this naked woman whose body I am feeling went into a coma when someone painted something on her forehead (the clue he is missing is the ping pong game, how that will relate I don't know)."

[Conan-san]

Case Closed aka Dectective Conan is a good anime series. I don't see why Adult Swim pulled it out of the line up. The dumb animes like Ghost in the Shell and Witch Hunter Robin are the ones that are boring.


BRING BACK DETECTIVE CONAN!!!!!!!!

Then one truth will prevale!
... dude, I fell your pain and all but Aim it at Super Malk Chan, no one gives a crap about that show.

[Killtacular]

Besides the fact that we already had this discussion and I believe I explained perfectly why Case Closed would not be put on Toonami, you just have to consider this as well; why spend an abundant amount of money, an almost ridiculous amount of money, on digital painting and editting, for a show that has been proven to be a ratings failure? Sean Akins already said they had no interest in running series on Toonami that would suffer heavy edits. He would only backpedal from that statement if he and Williams Street were completely sure that a series would become insanely popular and boost the entire block and the network's ratings. There is no logic, no logic at all, by any stretch, by any margin, in the universe, that could support your case at this point. If it actually happens, our star system might start collapsing from the new sudden probability of sheer implausibility.

[Conan-san]

Besides the fact that we already had this discussion and I believe I explained perfectly why Case Closed would not be put on Toonami, you just have to consider this as well; why spend an abundant amount of money, an almost ridiculous amount of money, on digital painting and editting, for a show that has been proven to be a ratings failure? Sean Akins already said they had no interest in running series on Toonami that would suffer heavy edits. He would only backpedal from that statement if he and Williams Street were completely sure that a series would become insanely popular and boost the entire block and the network's ratings. There is no logic, no logic at all, by any stretch, by any margin, in the universe, that could support your case at this point. If it actually happens, our star system might start collapsing from the new sudden probability of sheer implausibility. Just cause it's illogical doesn't meen that CN won't do it...

[William C. Maune]

Besides the fact that we already had this discussion and I believe I explained perfectly why Case Closed would not be put on Toonami, you just have to consider this as well; why spend an abundant amount of money, an almost ridiculous amount of money, on digital painting and editting, for a show that has been proven to be a ratings failure?

According to the Media Life Numbers it did very well with those younger than the Adult Swim demomgraphic.

[Killtacular]

According to the Media Life Numbers it did very well with those younger than the Adult Swim demomgraphic.
Every show on Adult Swim scores high with 12-24 year olds. But Toonami doesn't target 12-24. They target 6-11 and 9-14 year old boys.

Even still, if the 12-24 ratings were STRONG, Adult Swim would have bought more episodes, because those teens will become adults and continue to watch, pleasing sponsors. Clearly they were not strong enough. There is still no case that I can see for this decision.

[KnightusMaximus]

I've seen those Media Life reports being posted from place to place on the web, as I recall up until FMA/Ghost premiered Case Closed was the only anime on [adult swim] to show up in the Top 30 12-17 demographic besides Inuyasha. Well all we can do is assume it must've done very lackluster on the 18-24 part, not to even think about the 25-34. Of course, accomplishing something in 12-17 doesn't really matter unless the 12-14 part was stronger than the 14-17, in which case it can be redirected to the 9-14 demographic. But I don't know how well Case Closed would do with 9-12 year olds.

[William C. Maune]

Every show on Adult Swim scores high with 12-24 year olds. But Toonami doesn't target 12-24. They target 6-11 and 9-14 year old boys.

Even still, if the 12-24 ratings were STRONG, Adult Swim would have bought more episodes, because those teens will become adults and continue to watch, pleasing sponsors. Clearly they were not strong enough. There is still no case that I can see for this decision.

As KnightusMaximus pointed out, it was the 12-17 ratings that it did well in, I wasn't referring to the 12-24 ratings. Those ratings may not be 9-14 ratings, but I'd imagine there are less 9-14 year olds up at 1am than 12-17 year olds.

[Killtacular]

As KnightusMaximus pointed out, it was the 12-17 ratings that it did well in, I wasn't referring to the 12-24 ratings.
That's even worse. 12-17 is one of the smallest demographics on television. Much smaller than 18-24.

[William C. Maune]

12-17 = 6 years

18-24 = 7 years

Doesn't seem that much smaller to me. 12-17 year olds may have other things to keep them occupied, but I'd think that would apply just as much to 18-24s.

[livingfruitvirus]

As KnightusMaximus pointed out, it was the 12-17 ratings that it did well in, I wasn't referring to the 12-24 ratings. Those ratings may not be 9-14 ratings, but I'd imagine there are less 9-14 year olds up at 1am than 12-17 year olds.
Like 12-17 matters from 12-24 because advertisers use the numbers 6-11, 12-24, 18-34, 25-54, and 55+. They don't break them up into parts.

[William C. Maune]

Like 12-17 matters from 12-24 because advertisers use the numbers 6-11, 12-24, 18-34, 25-54, and 55+. They don't break them up into parts.

That may be true for some advertisers, but if it didn't matter at all networks wouldn't bother to report the other demographics.

[livingfruitvirus]

That may be true for some advertisers, but if it didn't matter at all networks wouldn't bother to report the other demographics.They report stuff like 9-14 or 18-24 for the sake of bragging about significant gains in portions of their audience by any means necessary, but check with any ad agency and they'll tell you that they stick to the 5 demos.

[William C. Maune]

They report stuff like 9-14 or 18-24 for the sake of bragging about significant gains in portions of their audience by any means necessary, but check with any ad agency and they'll tell you that they stick to the 5 demos.

Then who are they bragging too? While we certainly talk about the ratings numbers on these forums, it doesn't really matter what we think. Ultimately those press releases are for advertisers, a way to tell them "We are doing well, advertise on our network!!"

Also, while perhaps television is different from radio, the stations I worked for weren't targeted specifically towards those five demographics and those 5 specific demographics weren't what we sold to advertisers. There was some overlap, but it was broken down more than just those categories.