Where are the Justice Lords?

[bat313]

The hawkgirl threat got me thinking, where exactly are the Justice Lords now. Everyone assumes they are in jail in our justice league's iniverse, but i would think the JL made sure to send them back, and let the Justice Lords Batman take care of them. THough it really dons't make sense to me how a power disrupter can take away ALL of their powers and leave them all normal :rolleyes: But despite that, i'd think they are locked up in thier own Universe, any thoughts?

[Harley_Quinn]

I would have to say that the BW Bats has them locked up in the same prison he had the Justice league in, I mean if it wasn't for the Flash our guys would never have gotten out.

So short answer, BW Bats is watching them.

[MJC]

I asked this question a while ago. No real answer, though.

[Stu]

Actually, I can't remember if they're in our dimension or not, but if they were... The Goverment would have them. They'd be able to study them and find thier strengths and weaknesses etc.

They'd also have a version of Batman/Flash they could unmask. Hmmmm.

[Supremus]

Actually, I can't remember if they're in our dimension or not, but if they were... The Goverment would have them. They'd be able to study them and find thier strengths and weaknesses etc.

They'd also have a version of Batman/Flash they could unmask. Hmmmm.They could unmask Flash, but didn't Lord Batman stay in his own dimension?

[MJC]

They could unmask Flash, but didn't Lord Batman stay in his own dimension?

Flash was dead in that dimension. So they wouldn't have either one of them. That said, I could see the other lorders voluntarily giving up Flash's and Batman's identities to get back at the league.

[Harley_Quinn]

Flash was dead in that dimension. So they wouldn't have either one of them. That said, I could see the other lorders voluntarily giving up Flash's and Batman's identities to get back at the league.
Which is why I think BW Bats has them, he would know that they were too dangerous to be left in the other dimension.

[Supremus]

Flash was dead in that dimension. So they wouldn't have either one of them. That said, I could see the other lorders voluntarily giving up Flash's and Batman's identities to get back at the league.Heh, as I wrote that I was thinking back to the big battle trying to remember if Batman was there, and I couldn't remember who Lord Flash was fighting. Now I know why. It's been a while since I saw this episode :)

It would certainly make sense for the Justice Lords to be involved in the Government conspiracy. Their story, and what happened in their dimension, could very well be what made the Government concerned about the JL(U) in the first place, and there is no reason why the Lords wouldn't reveal the identities of Flash, Batman, and even Superman.

[Knight]

Why would the Justice Lords Batman have them locked up?

It wasn't like he decided to change his way of thinking regarding the way The Lords did things. I thought he just just decided that The Lords shouldn't in force their way on The Justice League's Universe.

As far as what was done with the Lords that's a good question. They have a lot of information on The League since they are counterparts and could reveal a lot of damaging information to the authorities.

[Tash]

Flash was dead in that dimension. So they wouldn't have either one of them. That said, I could see the other lorders voluntarily giving up Flash's and Batman's identities to get back at the league.In our dimention, only Batman knew who they were. Why would the other league be any diffrent?

[MJC]

In our dimention, only Batman knew who they were. Why would the other league be any diffrent?

If you're going by our dimension, Superman and WW both know who Batman is, and J'onn knows who Superman is. Since Flash died, Batman probably made Flash's identity public so he could have a proper funeral and all.

[Allen CARR]

my guess is, Lord Batman is dead.since the other lords are powerless for NOW, im sure the goverment in that dimension, have arrested Lord Batman.Haveing no reason to fear the Lords now, the world has probbaly risen up. Or the other Justice lords escaped, and killed Lord Batman.

[Stu]

The Lords were in the batcave and John referred to Smallville as Superman's home town. Looks like they all know each other's identitys.

I'd like to see what Justice Lord Flash looked like. The rest of the designs whooped ass. :)

[Harley_Quinn]

I'd like to see what Justice Lord Flash looked like. The rest of the designs whooped ass. :)
I would to but the Flash would have had the same costume because he was dead at the start of that episode, when the rest of the Lords were wearing the same costumes as our Justice League.

[Fone Bone]

Heh, as I wrote that I was thinking back to the big battle trying to remember if Batman was there, and I couldn't remember who Lord Flash was fighting. Now I know why. It's been a while since I saw this episode :)

It would certainly make sense for the Justice Lords to be involved in the Government conspiracy. Their story, and what happened in their dimension, could very well be what made the Government concerned about the JL(U) in the first place, and there is no reason why the Lords wouldn't reveal the identities of Flash, Batman, and even Superman.That would be coolness cake on top of awesome pie. I would LOVE the Lords to make an appearance in the four part second season finale.

[DarkLantern]

Though it really dons't make sense to me how a power disrupter can take away ALL of their powers and leave them all normal :rolleyes: CLICK

Luthor’s power disrupter works by generating an energy wave that permanently disrupts the electrical impulses of the central nervous system so the Justice Lords couldn’t activate their natural powers/abilities (thus, Superman can’t fly, Hawkgirl can use her wings, etc). This includes preventing JLord GL from generating enough will power to activate his ring. Even Superman’s invulnerability, which is created by a electrochemical bio aura, would be shut down.

There was an old John Byrne Superman issue in the 80’s that explained this concept in greater detail, but in short, the JLords still have their powers, they just can’t use them anymore.

The disrupter can also disrupt the energy field in Hawkgirl’s mace, rendering that useless as well...

Lackey!

Ah... yes, boss?

You can monitor the tee zee boards later, we need your dissertation on how the Dark Lantern problem has finally been eliminated.

Yessir. Right away, sir.

CLICK

[Supremus]

Yay! It seems I finally got my DarkLantern decoder wheel calibrated correctly. I understood most of that.

[Style]

I don't think this one was coded.

What would happen if you used that power disruptor on Batman? You might think, "nothing," but the Superfriends version of the device actually jammed Batman's utility belt! I kinda thought that was cool...

[Allen CARR]

CLICK

Luthor’s power disrupter works by generating an energy wave that permanently disrupts the electrical impulses of the central nervous system so the Justice Lords couldn’t activate their natural powers/abilities (thus, Superman can’t fly, Hawkgirl can use her wings, etc). This includes preventing JLord GL from generating enough will power to activate his ring. Even Superman’s invulnerability, which is created by a electrochemical bio aura, would be shut down.

There was an old John Byrne Superman issue in the 80’s that explained this concept in greater detail, but in short, the JLords still have their powers, they just can’t use them anymore.

The disrupter can also disrupt the energy field in Hawkgirl’s mace, rendering that useless as well...

Lackey!

Ah... yes, boss?

You can monitor the tee zee boards later, we need your dissertation on how the Dark Lantern problem has finally been eliminated.

Yessir. Right away, sir.

CLICKthat entire explantion sounds so comic book. so in a sense, the Lords powers can return one day?IT ALL JUST SOUNDs LAUGHABLE[sorry it does]

[Kino]

CLICK

Luthor’s power disrupter works by generating an energy wave that permanently disrupts the electrical impulses of the central nervous system so the Justice Lords couldn’t activate their natural powers/abilities (thus, Superman can’t fly, Hawkgirl can use her wings, etc). This includes preventing JLord GL from generating enough will power to activate his ring. Even Superman’s invulnerability, which is created by a electrochemical bio aura, would be shut down.

There was an old John Byrne Superman issue in the 80’s that explained this concept in greater detail, but in short, the JLords still have their powers, they just can’t use them anymore.

The disrupter can also disrupt the energy field in Hawkgirl’s mace, rendering that useless as well...

It seems awfully nice for a government spy/lackey. Maybe it might consider switching sides in the future? :)

I figure that the Lords have been imprisoned either way, whether it be by their bat, or the prime universe's League. Then again, I wonder if they've been forced to do community service, of a sort? *pictures the Lords picking up roadside trash*

[bat313]

CLICK

Luthor’s power disrupter works by generating an energy wave that permanently disrupts the electrical impulses of the central nervous system so the Justice Lords couldn’t activate their natural powers/abilities (thus, Superman can’t fly, Hawkgirl can use her wings, etc). This includes preventing JLord GL from generating enough will power to activate his ring. Even Superman’s invulnerability, which is created by a electrochemical bio aura, would be shut down.

There was an old John Byrne Superman issue in the 80’s that explained this concept in greater detail, but in short, the JLords still have their powers, they just can’t use them anymore.

The disrupter can also disrupt the energy field in Hawkgirl’s mace, rendering that useless as well...

Lackey!

Ah... yes, boss?

You can monitor the tee zee boards later, we need your dissertation on how the Dark Lantern problem has finally been eliminated.

Yessir. Right away, sir.

CLICKYa know, i kinda buy that in a way, but now our JL has a weapon that is just toooo powerful. Even if they destroyed it after they used it, Luthor still knows how to make another one, and any old super villian could make one now. I don't like having these all powerful things in the DCUA, AMAZO is another good example. Maybe in a future episode the Energy Disrupter will shoot AMAZO, renduring him useless while similtanious using up the last of whatever "substance" powers the energy disrupter. Obvisouly that will never happen but i'd like some sort of explanation as to what happened to the darn thing, and how easily anoher one can be made. :sad:

Oh yeah!!!!, DarkLantern and Bruce Timm responding to me BOTH in one week, man do i feel special:D Thanks guys.

[Allen CARR]

Ya know, i kinda buy that in a way, but now our JL has a weapon that is just toooo powerful. Even if they destroyed it after they used it, Luthor still knows how to make another one, and any old super villian could make one now. I don't like having these all powerful things in the DCUA, AMAZO is another good example. Maybe in a future episode the Energy Disrupter will shoot AMAZO, renduring him useless while similtanious using up the last of whatever "substance" powers the energy disrupter. Obvisouly that will never happen but i'd like some sort of explanation as to what happened to the darn thing, and how easily anoher one can be made. :sad:

Oh yeah!!!!, DarkLantern and Bruce Timm responding to me BOTH in one week, man do i feel special:D Thanks guys.

Lex Luthor gave Superman the power disrupter, so Superman has it, and knows how to you is, if it was ever needed. also, Amazo would destroy anyone within seconds, of them thinking of the idea of useing the disruptor.

[bat313]

Lex Luthor gave Superman the power disrupter, so Superman has it, and knows how to you is, if it was ever needed. also, Amazo would destroy anyone within seconds, of them thinking of the idea of useing the disruptor.
Hence why i said "obviously that would never happen" but i still think anyone can make a NEW energy disrupter no matter who has the old one. What they need to do in the DCUA is get rid of that thing, or make it so no one can ever make it again, becuase i'm pretty sure of lex can make one, then darksied can make 1,00,000, ya know?:rolleyes:

[Allen CARR]

thats true

[b.t.]

besides keeping it out of villainous hands, the main reason luthor had to hand the power-disruptor over to superman (and, by extension, the j.l.) was so that they could analyse it and come up with some kind of "anti-power-disruptor" defense against it, should lex ever try to make another one.....lex is smart enough to realise they would do this, so he'd never bother making another one....

in other words, yes, "all-powerful weapons" are bad news, and should be disposed of as soon as possible....

(poor amazo).....

[Allen CARR]

besides keeping it out of villainous hands, the main reason luthor had to hand the power-disruptor over to superman (and, by extension, the j.l.) was so that they could analyse it and come up with some kind of "anti-power-disruptor" defense against it, should lex ever try to make another one.....lex is smart enough to realise they would do this, so he'd never bother making another one....

in other words, yes, "all-powerful weapons" are bad news, and should be disposed of as soon as possible....

(poor amazo).....

I always though, Lex had been working on the disruptor for awhile...like 4 years.

[b.t.]

I always though, Lex had been working on the disruptor for awhile...like 4 years.

yes, YES, that's what i MEANT to say! it takes a minimum of four years to make a power-disruptor! also, it was powered by a VERY rare element, deusexmachinum, so yeah, good luck finding another hunk of THAT, baldy!

[Allen CARR]

yes, YES, that's what i MEANT to say! it takes a minimum of four years to make a power-disruptor! also, it was powered by a VERY rare element, deusexmachinum, so yeah, good luck finding another hunk of THAT, baldy!
Luthor can do anything,!! how else do you go to to toe with the man of steel, and not break a sweat.

[randomguy]

deusexmachinum
Now that's priceless.

[Funkatron]

yes, YES, that's what i MEANT to say! it takes a minimum of four years to make a power-disruptor! also, it was powered by a VERY rare element, deusexmachinum, so yeah, good luck finding another hunk of THAT, baldy!
LMAO!!

I know I liked the DCAU for a reason: the creators have a sense of humor

[Sue]

The disrupter can also disrupt the energy field in Hawkgirl’s mace, rendering that useless as well...
Well, not totally. She could still beat the living crap out of someone with it if she wanted to. Like on a slow night, for instance :evil:

[90'sCartoonMan]

also, it was powered by a VERY rare element, deusexmachinum, so yeah, good luck finding another hunk of THAT, baldy!
lol, I thought Amazo was made up of all the deusexmachinum in the Solar System.

Hm, this poses an interesting question. Should the power disrupter just be used on every super powered being, good or bad, to prevent things from getting out of hand?

Or would the Joker just destory us all within 24 hours of that happening?

[Toddman]

WARNING

*WILD SPECULATION ALERT!* WILD SPECULATION ALERT!*

I stopped keeping up with the JLU rumor thread quite a few months ago (it was getting too spoilery for me), so if this theory has already been brought up, somebody please shut me up...

Anyway, first off, I think the J-Lords are back in their own dimension. Why? I'll tell ya...

1)Lorder Batman seemed to have a change of heart (more on that later)

2)We were shown that it would be very easy for Bats to keep the J-Lords prisoner, since the League was only able to escape thanks to the Flash (who is taking the big dirt nap in J-Lord World).

3)As many have pointed out earlier, keeping the Lords in the "real" world is just asking for trouble, whether the Lords powers were permanently eliminated or not (secret identities being just the tip of the iceberg).

Now, on to my wild speculation...

A lot of fans have felt that the current course the League is taking in both organization and action is very reminiscent of the way things were being run in the J-Lords' world, i.e. a fully staffed watchtower and a more pre-emptive way of dealing with potential threats. The running plotline which seems to be leading up to some kind of confronation with the authorities and the long-rumored Presidential candadacy of Lex Luthor next season also plays into this theory.

So if any of that were true, and the Justice League is becoming more like the Justice Lords, one has to ask one's self, "Self, could somebody be responsible for such a change? And if so, what would their motive be? And most importantly, who could pull it all off?" I'm glad you asked.

Let's think back to part 2 of "A Better World." It was obvious that all of the J-Lords were willing to transform the "real" Earth into a copy of their own, with Superman being the most resolute about it. But Lorder Supes was obviously beaten and captured at the end of the episode. So were all of the J-Lords... except two. Flash was of course pushing up daisies, so that would leave him out as a suspect. That would leave only one guy...

Remember this exchange from ABW pt 2?:

SUPERMAN: You fooled them. Even I thought you were him for a moment.

JUSTICE LORD BATMAN: I am him.

What if we end up hearing this bit of dialogue at the end of the next season?

BATMAN: Guess what, Kent? I'm still him.


Perhaps (if you are still interested in what I am speculating) you are asking youself, "Self, how could such a switch have happened? And why would a switch like that have taken place?" I'm glad you asked.

In ABW pt 2, we never actually witness "our" Batman swaying "the other" Batman to his side. We assume most of that transformation took place in the ride to bright and sunny Arkham Asylum. We are led to believe that from the moment League Batman says, "You win" to his counterpart, he has already begun to play a mindgame, and continues to do so by bringing up Batman's dead parents and speculating on what their opinion of "a better world" would be. When Bats and the League depart for home, we see only a nod exchanged between the two Batmen. Again, we are led to believe that our Batman has left the other behind to put his world back on course.

But what if there was more to it all? What if each decided there was some real truth to what the other was saying, and that despite some of the more extreme differences between them, there might be a middle ground to be reached. Wouldn't it be interesting if each decided to stay in the other's world to bring a little balance to both. Our Batman stays behind to ensure that more freedom is brought back to the alternate Earth, and Lorder Batman goes back with the League with hopes of helping them "step into the light"?

It wouldn't have been that difficult for an impersonating Batman to slip into the life of his counterpart. And with the upheaval the League suffered after "Starcrossed", what better timing for a restructured (and more pre-emptive) team?

Yes, I know revealing that the Batman we have been watching all through Season 3 (and quite a lot of Season 2), has in fact been only a doppleganger of the original is venturing into "Spider-Clone" territory, and could prove to be a wildly unpopular move for the show's creators. But after reading about b.t.'s admiration for the work of David Lynch and Lynch's controversial "f you" to viewers in the series finale of Twin Peaks, it got me thinking.

Maybe Timm and company would love to screw with all of us die-hard fans a little for what might have been a series finale. After all if the show ended with that kind of revelation, we would only be able to voice a complaint (if any of us felt so inclined) about a show that is no longer in production. How fruitless would that be? And if JLU was to get picked up for another season (which it has), the creators would have an entire season to re-establish, within the framework of the show, the Batman we have all grown to love.

Okay, WILD SPECULATION now over.

Thanks for listening,

Toddman

[FALLEN ELDOR]

it could also explain why we don't see the bat clan. Maybe he has them locked up so he couldn't be foiled by them?

[Merlin Missy]

Luthor’s power disrupter works by generating an energy wave that permanently disrupts the electrical impulses of the central nervous system so the Justice Lords couldn’t activate their natural powers/abilities (thus, Superman can’t fly, Hawkgirl can use her wings, etc). This includes preventing JLord GL from generating enough will power to activate his ring. Even Superman’s invulnerability, which is created by a electrochemical bio aura, would be shut down.Disrupts the impulses from the central nervous system, huh? So what you're telling us is, they're dead now. All is explained. Thank you.

Toddman, coolest speculation ever!

MM, who is sure someone's going to speculate the Mace is also constructed of deusexmachinum :)

[Allen CARR]

it could also explain why we don't see the bat clan. Maybe he has them locked up so he couldn't be foiled by them?

we don't see the bat clan, because, "The Batman" has the rights to them.If the Batman were to go off the air, then you will see the bat-clan.

[Fone Bone]

Toddman please don't give b.t. any more ideas.;) I'd HATE it if that were the case. If that wasn't OUR Bruce singing in TLP then the entire episode was worthless.:p


b.t., don't do this. I'm not kidding.

[b.t.]

Toddman please don't give b.t. any more ideas.;) I'd HATE it if that were the case. If that wasn't OUR Bruce singing in TLP then the entire episode was worthless.:p


b.t., don't do this. I'm not kidding.

heh heh heh....

nah, just messin' witcha, matt...i only WISH we'd thought of that....woulda been an EXCELLENT twist.....bravo, toddman....j.j. abrams could use you on ALIAS next time he feels the need to re-boot that series (any day now, i'm thinking)...

but no.

[Stu]

Thank. God.

Clone Saga anyone?

[b.t.]

lol, I thought Amazo was made up of all the deusexmachinum in the Solar System.

Hm, this poses an interesting question. Should the power disrupter just be used on every super powered being, good or bad, to prevent things from getting out of hand?

that WOULD have been a bright thing for the jl to do, only shucks, too bad for them, the deusexmachinum has a VERY short shelf-life...in fact, luthor used up its full charge taking down the j-lords....

[Fone Bone]

heh heh heh....

nah, just messin' witcha, matt...i only WISH we'd thought of that....woulda been an EXCELLENT twist.....bravo, toddman....j.j. abrams could use you on ALIAS next time he feels the need to re-boot that series (any day now, i'm thinking)...

but no.Sigh of relief. I have to admit that it WOULD have been a clever twist. I just wouldn't have liked it.

Friends?:D

Alias was just rebooted wasn't it? Do you think they'd do another one so soon? Um, you haven't heard something I haven't right?:ack:

[b.t.]

besides, if the jl were TRULY bright, every time they faced a group of bad guys, superman would just BLINK really hard, the resulting ultra-percussive wind-blast knocking the slime-buckets into the next county...and if anyone miraculously survived THAT, gl could just hurl them into the sun with his very own "most powerful weapon in the universe"....then they'd have plenty of time to sit around and discuss truly important issues, like say, the ethics of killing soulless zombie-shells....wouldn't THAT be a fun show to watch? ;)

[Fone Bone]

besides, if the jl were TRULY bright, every time they faced a group of bad guys, superman would just BLINK really hard, the resulting ultra-percussive wind-blast knocking the slime-buckets into the next county...and if anyone miraculously survived THAT, gl could just hurl them into the sun with his very own "most powerful weapon in the universe"....then they'd have plenty of time to sit around and discuss truly important issues, like say, the ethics of killing soulless zombie-shells....wouldn't THAT be a fun show to watch? ;)If YOU made it? Probably.;)

[Style]

that WOULD have been a bright thing for the jl to do, only shucks, too bad for them, the deusexmachinum has a VERY short shelf-life...in fact, luthor used up its full charge taking down the j-lords....Sadly, you're forgetting about the most important properties of deusexmachinum: Not only can it be refined for any purpose as needed, but there is also enough of it in the universe to fulfill all possible needs. The only limitation on it is that it can only be utilized if there's no other convenient way to solve the problem. ;)

But here: it's also known that if necessary, deusexmachinum can anihilate itself. Meaning; Power disruptor + Amazo = both gone for good.

Not That I'm saying that's what you SHOULD do, but if these dangling plot threads from season 2 should prove too troublesome, well...

[DisneyBoy]

I only wish Hephesteus had crafted Diana's lasso out of some deusexmachinum. Wouldn't have minded that in the least.

[b.t.]

lol, I thought Amazo was made up of all the deusexmachinum in the Solar System.=

true, but deusexmachinum CAN be found OUTSIDE the solar system, specifically on war world, where it exists in a gaseous form, mixed in with the atmosphere...

good thing ol' lex doesn't have an ftl-capable starship, eh?

[ryeck]

true, but deusexmachinum CAN be found OUTSIDE the solar system, specifically on war world, where it exists in a gaseous form, mixed in with the atmosphere...


So that's what affected J'onn on War World, thereby resulting in his strength being sapped:p

[Harley Quinn]

Hm. Upon careful thought I've decided that a due sex machinum would be a fine thing to have. A very fine thing indeed.

[bat313]

Hm. Upon careful thought I've decided that a due sex machinum would be a fine thing to have. A very fine thing indeed.
lol, leave it up to H.Q. to make the inapropriate jokes :sweat: just teasing H.Q. though i do think Superman is in desperate need of some help from the due sex machinum these days....i mean he's so wound up......

[bat313]

true, but deusexmachinum CAN be found OUTSIDE the solar system, specifically on war world, where it exists in a gaseous form, mixed in with the atmosphere...

good thing ol' lex doesn't have an ftl-capable starship, eh?
Man, that Barry Turpintime really comes out with some off the wall comments don't he? :evil:

[Harley Quinn]

lol, leave it up to H.Q. to make the inapropriate jokes:sweat:
Heh heh... Ain't I a putz? :evil:

[Style]

Heh heh... Ain't I a putz? :evil:I'm sorry Harley, but the WB censors have ruled that the lasted word in your post be editted and rendered as "yutz"

Don't worry, a year and a half from now, long after the post has become irrelevant, they'll allow you to restore it to it's original form.

[Style]

true, but deusexmachinum CAN be found OUTSIDE the solar system, specifically on war world, where it exists in a gaseous form, mixed in with the atmosphere...

good thing ol' lex doesn't have an ftl-capable starship, eh?
I'm still wondering how Batman has one. Remember, he built the Javelin 7, which Wonderwoman made a very clear point of reminding us in "The Brave and The Bold."

[Allen CARR]

LET ME SETTLE THIS, "WHERE ARE THE JUSTICE LORDS" BUISSINESS RIGHT NOW. THE JUSTICE LORDS, ARE IN THE FORBIDDEN ZONE. THIS ZONE, IS BEYOND TIME, BUT SUBJECT TO THE LIMITS OF REALITY. ONCE YOU ENTER THIS ZONE, THE ONLY WAY OUT IS IN. TO CONQUER THE FORBIDDEN ZONE, YOU MUST FIRST CONQUER YOUR FEARS, AND THEN YOUR WORST ENEMY.IF YOU CANNOT, YOU SHALL BE STUCK IN THE ZONE, TILL THE END OF TIME. OR UNTIL TIME RESETS, AND WE DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN...PEACE.

[bat313]

LET ME SETTLE THIS, "WHERE ARE THE JUSTICE LORDS" BUISSINESS RIGHT NOW. THE JUSTICE LORDS, ARE IN THE FORBIDDEN ZONE. THIS ZONE, IS BEYOND TIME, BUT SUBJECT TO THE LIMITS OF REALITY. ONCE YOU ENTER THIS ZONE, THE ONLY WAY OUT IS IN. TO CONQUER THE FORBIDDEN ZONE, YOU MUST FIRST CONQUER YOUR FEARS, AND THEN YOUR WORST ENEMY.IF YOU CANNOT, YOU SHALL BE STUCK IN THE ZONE, TILL THE END OF TIME. OR UNTIL TIME RESETS, AND WE DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN...PEACE.
Wow, so they only went to the Sizzler, thanks AC!!

[DLM]

Maybe they're in the black lodge.

[Anthonynotes]

Hmph, apparently they didn't answer the same question I'd been wondering about the Justice Lords' fates after I saw that episode.

I suppose there's always what the JLA and JSA did to the Crime Syndicate at the end of their slugfest with them in the 1960's "Crisis On Earth-3" story, which was having GL imprison them all in a power-ring-generated bubble in the "limbo" space between Earths. Though the way it was written in the original story always seemed a bit dubious (the JLA seemed to play judge and jury---unless the CS were put on trial by the authorities first and we just didn't see it), and the TAS GL doesn't seem (from what I saw) powerful enough to pull off such a stunt...

Hmmm... and just to cap it off, here's a repost of the sarcastic MST3K-style review I wrote (that no one at the time apparently liked, judging from its responses or a lack thereof :-)) with this thread's question asked at the end, along with Luthor's deus-ex-machina ray gun thingy:

>>
(Open on: Brainatra, sitting with none other than the illustrious Justice League itself, in front of his living room TV. Flash is seen bouncing Brainatra's one-year-old niece on his knee, while trying to make cutesy noises to the baby; Hawkgirl looks a bit perplexed by this.)

BRAINATRA: Greetings, fanboys. Your old pal Brainatra here, who's managed, through the magic of fanboy bulletin board postings, to snag the JL here to watch the interdimensional hootenanny known as "A Better World," in order to make a few lucid points...

FLASH: "Lucid"?

GREEN LANTERN: You know, as in "clear"...

FLASH: Oh, *right*. Like when J'onn here turns himself invisible?

GREEN LANTERN: Something like that.

FLASH: Cool! Score one for the red guy!

BRAINATRA: Erm, yeah....let's watch the show...

>>Clip: the transition to "two years later."

BRAINATRA: So lemme get this straight: in just two years' time, your doppelgangers decided to *all* change costumes?

FLASH: Guess so----apparently "kewl new futuristic-style threads" is mandatory for all dystopic-style futures... didn't you see "Blade Runner"? Or at least that "Brave New Metropolis" episode of "Superman"?

BRAINATRA: (Flatly/mildly annoyed) I would if Cartoon Network were actually *rerunning* the old Superman and Batman series instead of airing stuff like "Yu-Gi-Oh" at a prime-time timeslot... (Supes and Bats nod in agreement)

FLASH: Oh, *right*... er, never mind...

BATMAN: (to Superman) Remind us to arrange a... "meeting"... with those Cartoon Network executives...

>>Clip: Lex in his green-and-blue battle armor...

BRAINATRA: (Sighs) What childhood memories seeing Lex in that battle armor brings back.... the ol' pre-Crisis Earth-One Lex-as-mad-scientist stuff... even if Lex *was* only shown in that armor between the time it was introduced in 1983, for Supes' 45th anniversary in comics, and 1986, when they "Byrne"-d it all to the ground.

FLASH: Uh... "Earth-One"?

BRAINATRA: You know, the Earth of the universe where you live, or at least, used to live...the "Silver Age" universe...does "Flash of Two Worlds" mean anything to you?

FLASH: *What* of two worlds?

BRAINATRA: (Rolls eyes) Never mind...

FLASH: Hey, what do I look like---a history major?


>>Clip: The ersatz-JL in the alternate Batman's Batcave

BRAINATRA: (Perplexed) So lemme get this straight: the whole episode basically hinges on the idea that Batman, or at least an extremely-similar alternate reality version of him, is willing to spend his spare time *not* tending to his business, *not* tending to Robin, Alfred, etc., *not* training some teenager in a souped-up cyber-Bat-costume as his replacement, but researching dimesional travel---let alone having a dimensional portal sitting around in the Batcave?!

BATMAN: Uh...

BRAINATRA: (Thumbing through a copy of "Previews", rolling his eyes in disgust) Never mind... according to this stupid thing, it's all purportedly explained in the next Bat-comic miniseries "Secret Files of the Legend of the Demon of the Story of the Tale of the Myth of the Shadow of the Ego of the Bat"... along with that "how come Dick Grayson grew up but Bruce Wayne managed to stay the same age" thing...

FLASH: (Grabbing the "Previews", flips through it at superspeed) Yeah, whatever---where's the section with the statues of those Image babes?! (Brainatra, Hawkgirl, and Wonder Woman sigh)

>>Clip: the Doomsday knockoff coming to Earth and getting slapped around by ersatz-Supes

BRAINATRA: Doomsday...gah, what a stupid, worthless villain. (Sees the others about to say something) Relative the the logic of pursuing crime in the first place, of course. Though at least this is the most *entertaining* he's been...

(Cut to: Doomsday, sitting in a bar somewhere, hunched over a drink with a little umbrella in it and watching his big three-minute-long scene...)

DOOMSDAY: (Refined British voice) Gads! My one chance to prove I'm not a completely worthless, annoying supervillain and I get taken out in less than five minutes! (Breaks down sobbing) Am I *really* that *lame*?!? (More sobbing)

(Back to the JL and Brainatra, as more of the episode plays... we see Brainatra's niece start crying, as the various heroes begin to pass her down to each other, trying to calm her. When Flash abruputly hands her to Batman, she instantly calms down, much to everyone's surprise...)

FLASH: No way...

BATMAN: (Smirking) She obviously has good taste.

FLASH: (pointing to himself) Versus...?

HAWKGIRL: (Cutting Bats off) Nah...too easy.

>>Clip of the JL tied up in those high tech-looking restraining devices.

WONDER WOMAN: (Semi-sarcastic) Gee, the same restraining devices *I* was tied up in a few episodes ago. What a coincidence.

FLASH: Guess "kewl-looking dystopic future restraining devices" were on sale down at Wal-Mart...


>>Clips of hero vs. "hero"

BRAINATRA: All this sorta reminds me of the Crime Syndicate... (sees Flash about to say something, hands him a copy of the relevant reference from the TPB "Crisis on Multiple Earths"----still available!) well, except for the ersatz-Wonder Woman's costume looking a lot like Wonder Girl's.

WONDER WOMAN: Actually, you're mistaken...my costume's reminiscient of Wonder Girl's, since she came into existence as a hero before I did... no, wait, or is that my taking the costume after my mother who travelled back in time to become Wonder Woman decades in the past...or is it just me resembling my Earth-Two counterpart or... uh...erm... (a la Lucy Ricardo, confused) eeewwwww....

BRAINATRA: (Flatly/ominous tone) Post-Crisis, post-Zero Hour "continuity"... *fear it.*

HAWKGIRL: You're telling *me*... (fake cough)*cough*Hawkworld*cough*...

>>Clip: Luthor taking down the entire ersatz-JL with a laser-light-ray-thingy, followed by the final scenes and the closing credits.

(Cut back to Brainatra's living room; Brainatra's tending to his niece, who's now inexplicably trying to stick a Batarang into her mouth...)

SUPERMAN: (Seeing the infant) Erm...are you sure that's safe?

BATMAN: (Serious voice) Don't worry. It's non-toxic.

BRAINATRA: Great episode, guys....

FLASH: Of course it was---I was in it, after all---didn't you catch that "moral center of the team" stuff? (The others roll their eyes) And remember what *else* we've learned from watching it...

BRAINATRA: What'd we learn? (Puts niece on the floor, who begins to crawl around and start waving the Batarang in front of Hawkgirl while babbling happily) Uh, let's see:

- that it's possible for Batman to become an expert in interdimensional travel in his spare time, *and* has dimensional teleportation equipment lying around the Batcave somewhere...

- that parallel Earths, DC corporate rhetoric to the contrary, *aren't* inherently confusing...

- that Doomsday *didn't* have to suck as much as he did in the original comics...

- that between Lex Luthor's ultra-convenient-power-sapping-gizmo-thingamajig and that Dr. Destiny episode, all prisons apparently have ultra-super-high-tech scientific equipment just sitting around that's available for prisoners' use...

- and that Cartoon Network considers that 10-second Recycled Stock Footage™-using bumper of Batman standing perfectly motionless while saying "I am vengeance" as an adequate substitution for rerunning his old show...uh, that's it.

FLASH: Yep, I think that about covers it. (Others nod in agreement)

BRAINATRA: Just one question though: what happened to those Crime Syndicate-wannabes? Did you send 'em back to their own Earth? I mean, a bunch of sinister doppelgangers who know all your secrets, including your secret identities, sitting around in the same universe as you in some prison, with a possibility of breaking out of jail and wreaking complete havok in a future episode, might not seem like the best idea, even if they are powerless thanks to Luthor's gizmo...thingy. But I'm sure you guys took care of that, right?

(Sees the others' faces looking, well, surprised)

BRAINATRA: (Nervous) Uh....right?

FLASH: (Breaks the silence) Hey, Bats, you did take care of that, right? I mean, you've always got a plan, right?

BATMAN: Well, between dealing with my own doppelganger and whatnot, I thought Green Lantern was handling that particular situation.

GREEN LANTERN: *Me*?! I thought Superman was taking care of it...

SUPERMAN: Don't look at me---I was too busy mulling over Lex Luthor being allowed to run loose on the streets again. Wonder Woman? (Shakes her head) J'onn? (Shakes his head) Hawkgirl? (Shakes her head)

FLASH: (Making a face) Ewwww....

WONDER WOMAN: (Worried/rushed tone) Uh.... we've got to get going. (gets up, quickly shakes Brainatra's hand) Nice meeting you... (the others quickly file toward the door)

HAWKGIRL: (Annoyed, sarcastically) I thought *you* had it covered, Mr. "I can beat anyone with enough time to prepare"...

BATMAN: (Annoyed) Don't blame *me*... can I help it if I *didn't* have "enough time to prepare" this time? I was only being *electrocuted* and *tied up* by my own *doppelganger*, after all...

(We hear the JL-ers begin arguing, as they all exit the scene...Brainatra shrugs, while his niece, who's dropped her Batarang on the floor, waves "bye-bye.")

THE END
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-B.

[Fone Bone]

Brainatra that essay must have been ahead of it's time. It was perfect.

[Toddman]

heh heh heh....

nah, just messin' witcha, matt...i only WISH we'd thought of that....woulda been an EXCELLENT twist.....bravo, toddman....j.j. abrams could use you on ALIAS next time he feels the need to re-boot that series (any day now, i'm thinking)...

but no.Oh well, I figured I was just letting my fanboy imagination run a little too wild.:)

I only wish all my wild speculation hadn't been squashed so soon. I would have loved for it to mutate into a full-blown internet rumor...:evil:

Guess I'll have to find some website were I can start posting rumors about Angelina Jolie breaking up Brad Pitt's marriage or somethin'.

Toddman

[Harley_Quinn]

Oh well, I figured I was just letting my fanboy imagination run a little too wild.:)

I only wish all my wild speculation hadn't been squashed so soon. I would have loved for it to mutate into a full-blown internet rumor...

Guess I'll have to find some website were I can start posting rumors about Angelina Jolie breaking up Brad Pitt's marriage or somethin'.

Toddman
Too late :D