Are there ANY topics animation hasnt covered?

[Zorak Masaki]

Hopefully this wont get banned, but is there any topic that might be "too taboo" for animation? I mean, i havent seen any cartoons involving amputees or the mentally handicapped (South Park's timmy doesnt count since he's more physically handicapped).

[tucsoncoyote]

Hopefully this wont get banned, but is there any topic that might be "too taboo" for animation? I mean, i havent seen any cartoons involving amputees or the mentally handicapped (South Park's timmy doesnt count since he's more physically handicapped).I think the top issues that are out therre that have been done by Animations are as follows (in No Particluar Order):

1. Handguns and Gun Safety. (Static Shock, Gargoyles, and Bravestarr (Way back in the 1980's)

2. Drugs. (Here they've done a couple of Shows, including "Cartoon All Stars")

3. Handicapbable people (Disney has done a couple of Episodes like this, Kim Possible, Gargoyles, and even Darkwing Duck)

4.Body Image (Brace Face did this in an episode Called "Skin Deep" and The Real Ghostbusters did something like that in season 6 (Called "Janine is that you?) There are others just tying to find the examples here...

5. Shop Lifiting.. only one Braceface Episode comes to mind..(Maria Steals a ring from a Store..)


The Least done items are

6.Teen Alcoholism (Braceface adressed this in Miami Vices)
7. Teen Pregnancy and of course the three letter word we can't mention. (Braceface also did a couple episodes like that).
8. and of course Gang Violence (only one case of this and it was in a Captin Planet show..)

but there are other issues that Haven't been discussed on Cartoons and in fact the Reason why they haven't been discussed are probably because of the issues that they do discuss (I mean they approach the Teen Alcoholism and Pregnancy issues with "Kids Gloves" because of the fact that they feel that a lot of Kids are watching.. hence the issue on this..so really there's very few issues Cartoons haven't touched.. but if there are some I'd like to know if Cartoon makers are keeping away from these issues because of the "Topical Nature" of the issue, or is it that they are having Questions about "how to present this..)

:coyote:

[Fone Bone]

Womens Prison Movies.

[Classic Speedy]

Womens Prison Movies. Sorry, that's been covered in the Duckman episode "Aged Heat 2: Women in Heat".

I guess I'd say anything relating to planes hitting two identical towers. Yeah, that would go over REAL well. :ack:

[Fone Bone]

Sorry, that's been covered in the Duckman episode "Aged Heat 2: Women in Heat".
Haven't seen an entire series dedicated to it though.

[Jave]

Sorry, that's been covered in the Duckman episode "Aged Heat 2: Women in Heat".Johnny Bravo did it too.

[Dark Fact]

I guess I'd say anything relating to planes hitting two identical towers. Yeah, that would go over REAL well. :ack:

That won't be impossible. Just that the studios won't even consider doing something like that for another 10-20 years.

[Harley Quinn]

Cannibalism. Sadism. Taxidermy. Serial killers. Rape. Child pornography. The white slave trade. Shall I go on?

[Peter Paltridge]

Cannibalism. Sadism. Taxidermy. Serial killers. Rape. Child pornography. The white slave trade. Shall I go on?
Several of those have been done and done. You can see cannibals in black and white 30's cartoons.

[Harley Quinn]

Hmm, alright, and where can I find the child porn cartoon?

[Kenshin]

Hmm, alright, and where can I find the child porn cartoon?
The petafile down the street will sell ya one. (just kidding ;) )

[John Pannozzi]

Taxidermy.
Covered in one of the Ren and Stimpy :Untamed World" episodes.

[Anthonynotes]

>>
7. Teen Pregnancy and of course the three letter word we can't mention. (Braceface also did a couple episodes like that).<<

"Three letter word"... hmm...

"Sex"? "The Simpsons" has covered this ("Fuzzy Bunny's Guide to You-Know-What" Troy McClure classroom film shown to Bart; another ep with Homer and Marge's sex life problems; a first-season ep showing Homer with an exotic dancer, and various red-light district spots in Springfield).

"Gay"? Showtime runs/ran a five-minute cartoon after "Queer As Folk" (one-hour gay-centered soap opera---the mirror opposite of "Will and Grace"'s chasteness) called "Queer Duck", about, well, a gay duck (and friends). Voices for this one done by our own Maurice "The Brain" LaMarche and Jim Cummings.


-B.

[Samurai]

Hmm, alright, and where can I find the child porn cartoon?
Hentai...

[J. B. Warner]

Covered in one of the Ren and Stimpy :Untamed World" episodes.
As well as the 1945 Chuck Jones cartoon "Hare Conditioned" - the whole reason Bugs is retaliating in the cartoon is because the "Great Gildersneeze" plans to have him stuffed.

[Dee]

It's interesting to see how many topics have been covered by Braceface.

As for topics, do you guys think one day cartoons will take on events such as 9/11?

[STARTOUNZ]

5. Shop Lifiting.. only one Braceface Episode comes to mind..(Maria Steals a ring from a Store..)
That was also done on the Simpsons in the episode "Marge Be Not Proud", when Bart stole a video game and had to face the consequences after his efforts to hide his crime failed.

And I just remembered this also happened on the Powerpuff Girls in the episode "A Very Special Blossom", although it was more technically stealing since Blossom sneaked off with the set of golf clubs after MoJo damaged the sporting goods store during one of his usual attacks on Townsville.

[Dee]

I remember that episode of the simpsons well. It was a good portrayl of how much distrust can be created between a mother and her son, when he shoplifts.

[Jave]

Hmm, alright, and where can I find the child porn cartoon?There's a cartoon done by the Fleischer Studios as an "Inside Joke" (it was never oficially released). It's very graphic pornography and it's called "Buried Treasure". It was made in 1928 (which means it pre-dates Popeye) and a copy somehow made it to Ebay in a "cartoons for adults" tape. I've never seen, and hope I never, EVER will.

[Sunset Girl]

Fushigi Yuugi and Perfect Blue both deal with rape (although, to be fair, the rape in Perfect Blue is just an act).

Oh, and there's white slave trading discussed in Fushigi Yuugi (as well as something else that hasn't been discussed here: genocide).

[MonkeyFunk]

That was also done on the Simpsons in the episode "Marge Be Not Proud", when Bart stole a video game and had to face the consequences after his efforts to hide his crime failed.

And I just remembered this also happened on the Powerpuff Girls in the episode "A Very Special Blossom", although it was more technically stealing since Blossom sneaked off with the set of golf clubs after MoJo damaged the sporting goods store during one of his usual attacks on Townsville.
There was also the Recess episode where Gus steals some bublegum

[Classic Speedy]

Fushigi Yuugi and Perfect Blue both deal with rape (although, to be fair, the rape in Perfect Blue is just an act). Ikki Tousen also has implications of rape; a man licks his lips, you hear the screams off-camera, and then later on you see the man release her bruised body to Ryofu.

Matter of fact, that show has a LOT of adult material in it (lesbian relationships being another one). I love how it pushes the envelope but doesn't quite cross into porn/NC-17 territory.

[Kenshin]

There's a cartoon done by the Fleischer Studios as an "Inside Joke" (it was never oficially released). It's very graphic pornography and it's called "Buried Treasure". It was made in 1928 (which means it pre-dates Popeye) and a copy somehow made it to Ebay in a "cartoons for adults" tape. I've never seen, and hope I never, EVER will.
How much do you want to bet Micheal Jackson is the highest bidder?

[Samurai]

It's interesting to see how many topics have been covered by Braceface.

As for topics, do you guys think one day cartoons will take on events such as 9/11?Yeah, who the heck knew Braceface of all shows covered so many of these topics? I didn't really see any controversial topics from the episodes that I saw. Is somebody watching a different show from me or something?

Oh, and I think Matt Stone and Trey Parker have parodied 9/11. Particularly "Team America". Heck, those 2 are the reason why A LOT of off-limit topics have been addressed in animation already. Although I'm still not a fan of South Park, mainly because I've gotten SO used to the shock factor it doesn't seem as funny anymore... and that worries me for some reason.

[Emmanuel Cruz]

I read about a "Rugrats" episode that never came into full fruition that dealt with Angelica stealing a candy bar. Nick thought that would make Angelica WAY too evil.:rolleyes:


-Emmanuel:bosko:

[Harley Quinn]

You know what? Hentai should be outlawed. Honestly. Sick Japanese bastards. And no that's not derogatory. Hentai is Japanese.

[Fatneck]

Yeah, who the heck knew Braceface of all shows covered so many of these topics? I didn't really see any controversial topics from the episodes that I saw. Is somebody watching a different show from me or something? Nearly all the episodes in question were cut from the American broadcast. I'm not sure if those episodes were cut when they started showing them on Disney or when they were first brought to America and put on what? ABC family? Fox Family? Whatever channel the was called when Braceface started airing in America.

[Sunset Girl]

You know what? Hentai should be outlawed. Honestly. Sick Japanese bastards. And no that's not derogatory. Hentai is Japanese.
It *is* rather sick and scary. I can't believe that they get away with the underage crap, too.

[Peter Paltridge]

There's a cartoon done by the Fleischer Studios as an "Inside Joke" (it was never oficially released). It's very graphic pornography and it's called "Buried Treasure". It was made in 1928 (which means it pre-dates Popeye) and a copy somehow made it to Ebay in a "cartoons for adults" tape. I've never seen, and hope I never, EVER will.
Allegedly, the Disney veteran animators created a small sequence in which Jiminy Cricket does something I won't describe to Tinker Bell, so they could slip it into animatic checkings when rookies were learning the trade. The rookies would absolutely freak out and the vets would have yet another good laugh. The sequence was eventually destroyed and I'm just going on the word of Jim Hill Media.

[Tom Mewer]

In Braceface, Sharon has a racist grandfather and a homosexual friend.

Sharon even tried to set her homosexual friend up with another man in one episode.

Also, The Smurfs has an anti-drugs episode. Then again, they were using a magic orb instead of a drug.

[Mynd Hed]

You know what? Hentai should be outlawed. Honestly. Sick Japanese bastards. And no that's not derogatory. Hentai is Japanese.

You know what? The First Amendment grants free speech and makes no exception for things that you or I personally find disgusting... and I agree with it.
No one forces you to watch things you don't care for or find offensive. Everybody is against censorship... until they find something they themselves find objectionable. I'm sure right now, someone else is saying that something YOU enjoy-- be it a cartoon, movie, music, video game-- should be outlawed.

[Harley Quinn]

Hell yeah I'm a Howard Stern fan.

And don't get pissy, I was just thinking aloud. Jeezus.... It's not the thing itself, but the influence that these things leave behind. You can't whine about censorship unless you acknowledge that there should also be PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for what you're putting out there. I suppose you support the right to rape a minor that's portrayed in those cartoons? Because by condescending me about my wishful thinking, what you're doing is defending the sick freaks out there who get off on that kind of thing. And I guarantee you, their lust for that kind of material does NOT stop at animation....

[Skeeter]

That was also done on the Simpsons in the episode "Marge Be Not Proud", when Bart stole a video game and had to face the consequences after his efforts to hide his crime failed.

And I just remembered this also happened on the Powerpuff Girls in the episode "A Very Special Blossom", although it was more technically stealing since Blossom sneaked off with the set of golf clubs after MoJo damaged the sporting goods store during one of his usual attacks on Townsville.
Shoplifting t'was also done in a TTA short. After spending all of their money at the arcade, Plucky convinces Hamton to go along with his plan of shoplifting a candy bar from a convenience store. The pair was then subjected to the "Telltale Heart" treatment, after which they returned the purloined chocolate, apologized and swore never to do it again. The shopowner accepted the apology and banned them from the store threatening to call the cops if they ever stepped foot inside again.

[Mynd Hed]

And don't get pissy, I was just thinking aloud.

Sorry if I overreacted a little... but watch the attitude.


Jeezus.... It's not the thing itself, but the influence that these things leave behind.

Care to elaborate on that a bit?


You can't whine about censorship unless you acknowledge that there should also be PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for what you're putting out there. I suppose you support the right to rape a minor that's portrayed in those cartoons?

That was uncalled-for. Don't put words in my mouth. I'd like to think we can debate this like adults instead of resorting to this sort of rhetoric.


Because by condescending me about my wishful thinking, what you're doing is defending the sick freaks out there who get off on that kind of thing.

As long as their enjoyment of that sort of material is confined to their private lives and doesn't infringe upon the well-being of others, yes, I defend their right to it if not their artistic inclinations. Hate to sound cliche, but what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is their own business.


And I guarantee you, their lust for that kind of material does NOT stop at animation....

There has never been any competent scientific study supporting that idea. If anybody tried to act in real life the way people act in the explicit material in question, they would be locked away, probably for the rest of their lives, and they would deserve to be. But until and unless a person actually DOES decide to act that way, we can't condemn them.
You might just as easily say that a Howard Stern fan's enjoyment of that program will turn them mysoginistic and sex-obsessed, but of course we both know that's not true.

[Sunset Girl]

What people do in the privacy of their own homes is one thing, but when underage children are being depicted in hentai, um, well, technically, is that even legal? And I understand that hentai encompasses a lot more than that, but when was looking for artwork on the internet several years back and stumbled across Chibi-usa, well. . . how do I put this politely, when Mamoru and her were. . . well, you fill in the blanks before I get in to trouble on this board. That is just totally, totally offensive and wrong. If they're all "adults"; fine, whatever. But this? No.

[Tom Mewer]

They aren't real children and no one's forcing you to look at it, so who cares?

[CookieS]

Anyone done quantum physics?

[Master Moron]

Cannibalism. Sadism. Taxidermy. Serial killers. Rape. Child pornography. The white slave trade. Shall I go on?

Are we including anime in this too? Cause Fushigi Yugi dealt with rape. Actually, rape has probably been mentioned on quite a few animes, Trigun included.

[Scythemantis]

Just because some hentai involved underaged characters doesn't mean all hentai should be banned. Hentai is just a blanket term for any anime with extreme sexual themes, anyway. It doesn't always mean that it's neccessarily "pornography".


What people do in the privacy of their own homes is one thing, but when underage children are being depicted in hentai, um, well, technically, is that even legal?

The legal age is a LOT lower in japan, so in japan, yes, a lot of it is legal. Course, they STILL have "child porn" even by their standards, and then there's all those underaged girls used as borderline sex symbols (or just romantic interests) in even what's considered to be family-friendly anime including a lot that comes over to the US/UK. If anime were any indication it would seem half of Japan has a lolita complex.

But yes, EVERY issue Harley Quinn lists has been a major theme of plenty of japanese toons (well, I can't think of any particular example of a taxidermy anime, but I'm sure some series somewhere has had a villain that stuffs people)

[MonkeyFunk]

There was that one episode of Earthworm Jim where Monkey-for-a-head and Psycrow hire a taxidermist to stuff Earthworm Jim.

[Samurai]

They aren't real children and no one's forcing you to look at it, so who cares?I must agree here. The important thing about hentai is it's NOT real. I'd rather somebody watch hentai than watch real porn of underaged girls (and yes, there's a lot of people like that).

Again, while a lot of the stuff depicted in hentai might be gross, at least it's not hurting anyone in real life. I mean, there's not real girls in there being raped. And I don't believe that hentai will affect anyone's mind to go out there and do the same. Maybe 1 or 2 people, but those are the types who if they watched South Park or played GTA they'd go out there and emulate that stuff too. And besides, I don't know how anyone can do any of the stuff in hentai unless a guy can magically grow a giant tentacle...

[Prism]

Animation is just a medium that can be used to cover any topic. The trick is the target demographic and hours. And toons are simulated, they aren't real and many of them take place in different cultures/times with values,taboos and belief systems usually nonmodern. It's makebelieve and the majority know the difference between pretend and reality.

[Harley Quinn]

Care to elaborate on that a bit?
Well not anymore!

And thanks for the warning, babe. *blows kiss, walks out of thread*

[ktoriyama]

That is one topic that has not been covered, and speaking of not being covered, anything done by Captain Planet is not realistic and thus is to be discarded.

How about some new topics, like the ethics of piracy, whether it be music or movies. Or how about pop-star worship?

About Hentai? Yeah it can be sick at times, but it doesn't hurt me, doesn't hurt you, doesn't hurt children. Whilst you might argue that it hurts its creator and viewers spiritually, mentally, emotionally, or what ever, they do so voluntarily and it is their choice.

[Classic Speedy]

How about some new topics, like the ethics of piracy, whether it be music or movies. The Proud Family had an episode that dealt with music piracy and the consequences. A bit preachy, but hey, it was the best Matrix parody I've seen in years, simply because they didn't resort to the stupid slow motion riffing.

[Jave]

Well, one thing is for sure. No matter from which country, religion, race, ethnic group or culture you're from, there is at least one episode of South Park that should offend you.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Or how about pop-star worship?
I hate to step on Tucsoncoyote's toes, but Braceface did an episode of that too (if Braceface really that deep or is it just the most recent thing we can thing of?).

South Park did that child porn thing with the scouts episode. That also dealt with gay scout leaders.

[lostrune]

Or how about pop-star worship?
I hate to step on Tucsoncoyote's toes, but Braceface did an episode of that too
Perfect Blue (http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,293,hsvrhw,perfect_blue.html) too.

[ktoriyama]

The Proud Family had an episode that dealt with music piracy and the consequences. A bit preachy, but hey, it was the best Matrix parody I've seen in years, simply because they didn't resort to the stupid slow motion riffing.

That was utter bullsh*t, that was a lopsided biased POS. Same thing with the Futurama episode with KidNapster. Let's bring up some points.

Music is overpriced, fact. They showed the artist starving as a result of piracy, that is not going to happen, piracy is never going to be that rampant. Fair use of music? Not even mentioned. If I buy a CD, I have the right to rip it and make a mix CD, put it on my ipod, do whatever I like as long as it is for personal use. They don't mention that, and try to suppress it with DRM. Give a fair POV.


Well, one thing is for sure. No matter from which country, religion, race, ethnic group or culture you're from, there is at least one episode of South Park that should offend you.

Amen to that.

[Dee]

That was utter bullsh*t, that was a lopsided biased POS. Same thing with the Futurama episode with KidNapster. Let's bring up some points.

Music is overpriced, fact. They showed the artist starving as a result of piracy, that is not going to happen, piracy is never going to be that rampant. Fair use of music? Not even mentioned. If I buy a CD, I have the right to rip it and make a mix CD, put it on my ipod, do whatever I like as long as it is for personal use. They don't mention that, and try to suppress it with DRM. Give a fair POV.



Amen to that.
In the future, please do not skirt around the word filter with the * symbol. Thanks.

[Classic Speedy]

That was utter bullsh*t, that was a lopsided biased POS. Same thing with the Futurama episode with KidNapster. Let's bring up some points.

Music is overpriced, fact. They showed the artist starving as a result of piracy, that is not going to happen, piracy is never going to be that rampant. Fair use of music? Not even mentioned. If I buy a CD, I have the right to rip it and make a mix CD, put it on my ipod, do whatever I like as long as it is for personal use. They don't mention that, and try to suppress it with DRM. Give a fair POV. I didn't mention anything about whether I agreed or disagreed with the episode's stance on music downloading, I just said it was a fresher Matrix parody than what they usually do. For the record, I DO agree that music CDs are overpriced and that you're entitled to do whatever you want with a CD once you buy it, including making a personal copy for yourself. That's why I said the episode was preachy, because it oversimplified the situation.

[ktoriyama]

In the future, please do not skirt around the word filter with the * symbol. Thanks.

There is a word filter? News to me. I thought mild cussing was allowed as long as one was careful to use * to conceal them. Hmm gotta get rid of that habit.

[Mynd Hed]

There is a word filter? News to me. I thought mild cussing was allowed as long as one was careful to use * to conceal them. Hmm gotta get rid of that habit.

The rules concerning what language is allowed is different on the Adult Swim Forum (where I believe any language used on AS is allowed), maybe that's where you got the idea. But yes, there is a word filter, although either relying on it to blank out the words or blanking out the words yourself is still against the rules. You might want to take another read through the forum FAQ to make sure you know what's kosher and what's not.

[Harley Quinn]

Mynd, why didn't you whip out a warning like you did when I cursed with astericks to censor myself?

???

Is it because I was replying to YOU when I cursed and Ktoriyama wasn't?

[Dee]

Mynd, why didn't you whip out a warning like you did when I cursed with astericks to censor myself?

???

Is it because I was replying to YOU when I cursed and Ktoriyama wasn't?
Because I chose to address it in-thread to be a reminder to all.

[ktoriyama]

Sorry for that. Bye Bye bad words. Hello crap, shoot, and darn. And maybe the classic confound it. Atleast in this part of the forum.

[Harley Quinn]

Well, Delia97, I wish more of the mods were like you and Amazing Spidey.