Anime That You Would Like See Be Done With An American Crew...

[Carlos]

Like the thread title says, what are some animes you would like to see be done with American writers, storyboarders, voices, etc? I wouldn't mind seeing DBGT done with some of the writers from JLU, The Batman, and Gargoyles. I could see each season done with some stand-alone stories, two part stories, and an occasional three part story. Fights would be not as long as DBZ, and the story would actually make sense. It probably couldn't be worse as what we have now.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

Digimon I would like to see with the dub writers making a new story, as long as they wrote the way they dubbed Tamers.

[Space Cadet]

I would like to see YYH done with an American crew. While I like the stories in the anime, I would like to see more spirit detective stories done with minor villians. The format of the show would be done like TMNT 2003, with some filler stories, two part episodes, three part episodes, and maybe four part episodes.

Yusuke, Hiei, Kurama, and Kuwabara would be in the show along with new spirit detectives. The story would not be connected to the anime. It would be in its own universe. It would be made for CN and be on Toonami.

[Starwind Amada]

I would like to see NO anime done by an American crew. If it's not done by the Japanese, then it's not anime. [Also I don't like American animation.]

-deflaming by Twage

[Ryoutarou]

Now to take the post apart piece by piece, why? Because it's long and annoys people.
I would like to see NO anime done by an American crew. If it's not done by the Japanese, then it's not anime.Anime is short for animation...thus its always an anime, no matter what place of origin it is. So it just wouldn't be J-Anime
[I don't like American animation.]JLU,TMNT Gargoyals, all of these are American and have great story good animation...and it isn't simple.

Now as for what I'd like to see....An American take on Gundam would be cool.

[JetMaster5]

I'll take anything that has smart writing, entertaining characters, original story, and good setting regardless of where they're from, where it's made, yaddiyaddiyadda.

[Artimus Gigan]

[I don't like American animation.]FYI
Finding Nemo was the highest grossing animated feature in Japan IIRC

it even started an aquarium fad over there

[Samurai]

Anime is short for animation...thus its always an anime, no matter what place of origin it is.You know what, I hear this excuse a lot, but the fact is, Japan does differentiate between foreign animation and their own. I mean, anime is their word for all animation, but they know the difference between, say a Miyazaki work and a Disney work. Just like they're word for movies is the same, but they know the difference between Hollywood works and Japanese movies.

So, when people say American animation is anime, they are technically correct since anime means "animation". But that doesn't mean American animation is THE SAME as Japanese anime. That's like me saying sushi and Big Mac are the same since they're both food.

[Ryoutarou]

But the thing is, people get confused a lot. They think any American animation is a simple work meant for children, there are a lot of older works, but those are more geared towards comedy then serious stories. Japanese animation on the other hand is a LOT more vaired on what they have for childre,teens,adults,young adults and the diffrent generes.


And didn't Miyazaki as well as Tezuka get a lot of insperation from Disney?

[Harlan_Phoenix]

If I recall correctly, isn't anime just the Japanese word for cartoon, so that's what we use with that country's animation?

And Starwind Amada...don't insult American animation dude...that's just wrong...

[Samurai]

But the thing is, people get confused a lot. They think any American animation is a simple work meant for children, there are a lot of older works, but those are more geared towards comedy then serious stories. Japanese animation on the other hand is a LOT more vaired on what they have for childre,teens,adults,young adults and the diffrent generes.


And didn't Miyazaki as well as Tezuka get a lot of insperation from Disney?Yeah, Miyazaki and Tezuka were inspired by Disney. But they were also influenced by Japanese art and others animators, not just Disney and American animators. Now, if Miyazaki and Tezuka worked at Disney and did Disney films, that's a different story.

Second, American animation means just that, any animation made in America. If people think it's for kids, well that's a stereotype and can't be helped. Like the stereotype that anime is a lot of kiddie stuff or porno.

Animation is a medium, period. Just like film is a medium. But, there is a distinction between movies from different countries. Just like, if you see a French film, are you going to say it's an American film because they're both movies? No, and same thing with animation. There's animation from Japan, from America, from Canada, from France, etc.

Unless it's a clear artificial knock-off, like Totally Spies (France) or Atomic Betty (Canada). Then there's really no difference because they're just copying anime and American cartoons and made no attempt to do anything but copy those countries style.

[Ryoutarou]

Thats what I've been saying, but people just keep saying anime is a Japanese only thing...so its a lot eaiser for me to tell it apart just be using the country code system like; J-Anime(Japanese) USA-Anime(American) F-Anime(French anime) And so on.

TS I wouldn't call it a knock-off, it just took some traits from Japanese animation that it thought would work...and it did, didn't it?

[Samurai]

Thats what I've been saying, but people just keep saying anime is a Japanese only thing...so its a lot eaiser for me to tell it apart just be using the country code system like; J-Anime(Japanese) USA-Anime(American) F-Anime(French anime) And so on.

TS I wouldn't call it a knock-off, it just took some traits from Japanese animation that it thought would work...and it did, didn't it?Okay, I see what you're saying. Hey, I have no problem if you call Batman an American anime or Simpsons an American anime. But if you call Batman a Japanese anime, then that's wrong (unless that particular Batman was made in Japan for a Japanese audience).

[Starwind Amada]

If I recall correctly, isn't anime just the Japanese word for cartoon, so that's what we use with that country's animation?

And Starwind Amada...don't insult American animation dude...that's just wrong...

I don't care if it's wrong or not, the fact is that American animation is simple and watered-down. I mean, I just flipped on CN and their was some Christmas flick in which some chick said to her father "I know you've been depressed since Mother dissappeared..." C'MON, JUST SAY SHE DIED! Geez, they think the little kids are gonna get scared or something? Most of the adult stuff is lame comedy and/or repulsive stuff, like Ren & Stimpy, The Simpsons, Family Guy, (that one I like) and South Park. Adult anime (excuse me... Japanese animation) can have a variety of themes, such as drama, mystery, romance, action and even sex. Sometimes, it doesn't even seem like it's animation (Perfect Blue is a prime example of this). That's why I think Japanese animation is superior to the American stuff.

[Youko Recca]

stuff that sounds annoying as hell
So...tell me...how do you feel about those who like both equally? Are they fools? Would you wish to convert them to pure one hundred percent anime goodness...if you could?

[Harley Quinn]

I think it'd be interesting to see how Americans would have justified the rampant corniness and baffling randomness in an older show like Sailor Moon. Why, again, are they Sailors?

[Riza Hawkeye]

...the rampant corniness and baffling randomness in an older show like Sailor Moon. Why, again, are they Sailors?
Because the Japanese have a thing for young girls in sailor outfits :p

[Starwind Amada]

People are not fools for liking American cartoons. I'm just stating my distaste for them. Liking both anime and American stuff is even better, because you can compare the two and you have the anime to counteract the crappy American stuff and the American stuff to counteract the sometimes-complex anime.

[Starwind Amada]

So...tell me...how do you feel about those who like both equally? Are they fools? Would you wish to convert them to pure one hundred percent anime goodness...if you could?

People who like both are NOT fools. But, yes, I would convert them to 100% anime if I had the chance.

[killer2004]

You do know that American cartoons are popular in Japan too. Ever seen the South Park homages in FLCL? ANN shows which movies do well in the Japanese box office, and most recently, The Incredibles is in 2nd place. If it weren't for American cartoons, there wouldn't be anime. The earlier artists were influenced by American cartoons.

[Artimus Gigan]

Ok settle down

SA yoyu are essentialy doing what anti-otaku have done which is to sterotype anime as "Kids only" or "crappy", the only difference is that you're doing it to american animation...

There are many many well done north american animated films and series, the thing is you just have to know what you're looking for, much like anime was in america during the "dark ages".

Infact some series(i.e. Invasion America) are extremely well done, however they have not been put onto DVD or VHS and can only be found on copied tapes or illegal download sites, these are the rare gems that have been sought out by many because of the hard science fiction welded into the series and the overall progressive story.

Good series are out there, you just have to look

Yes Japan produce more overall animation than the US yearly, however a whole ton of that animation is stuff that is essentialy junk. Only a small percentage of it is actualy note worthy of viewing/owning...

[Ben]

I'd love to see an American Abenobashi or an American Wolf's Rain.

In fact, lo and behold, they're being done as we speak! (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=119569) ;)

[Youko Recca]

People who like both are NOT fools. But, yes, I would convert them to 100% anime if I had the chance.
So you'd willingly take someone from liking both, which is clearly better than just one or the other, to a less diverse understanding. Do you really want to think to only find anime superior? Is it by your will....or do the "facts" lay there clearly for you? Do you feel there are reedeming qualities to be found in American work?



you can compare the two and you have the anime to counteract the crappy American stuff and the American stuff to counteract the sometimes-complex anime.
Now if you find American cartoons crap overall...then why would they be good enough to counter anime? Shouldn't you fill that void with more anime? Or are you just sugar coating it? And if anime is sometimes complex...what does that make the other anime?

[Artimus Gigan]

Hey lets add more confusing pairups into the mix


INDIA ANIMATION VS CHINA ANIMATION

GO GO LAST SENGAIO

[Ryoutarou]

Hello...thats gonna be....Meh...French Animation Go!:sweat:

[Harley Quinn]

I need to apologize for my comments that Twage ever-so-kindly censored from this thread, just in case I offended anybody who might have read them.

Back OT, though, I'd be curious to see how Americans would take on Cowboy Bebop, because honestly, I don't think they'd change it very much at all. That show, to me, is about as Americanized as an anime can get.

[Ben]

Back OT, though, I'd be curious to see how Americans would take on Cowboy Bebop, because honestly, I don't think they'd change it very much at all. That show, to me, is about as Americanized as an anime can get.

True, which is why I think the most successful "American anime" is not Teen Titans or any other show that uses only the stylistic conventions of anime, but rather Samurai Jack, which takes a decidedly Japanese genre and places squarely in the American corner stylistically. It's much more fun to see anime in a style I could never get in Japan than to see an American imitation of what I could get in Japan.

[Samurai]

INDIA ANIMATION VS CHINA ANIMATION

GO GO LAST SENGAIOMost of the stuff is aimed squarely for kids, even moreso than American and Japanese animation. In fact, I'd say 90% of the animation around the world is made for kids. Most every other country in the world sees animation as nothing more than kid's stuff. In fact, I'd have to say America, Japan, and maybe some European countries and S.American countries (like Argentina and Chile) have the most liberal attitude towards animation (for Europe, some examples include Franco-Belgium animation, some stuff from Eastern European countries like Czech Republic, some UK claymation, but to be honest, most countries in Europe DO SEE animation as something for kids).

[Wilco911]

This thread has brought back memories of Saban Moon.

Thanks guys...no, really.

...

[Chad Bonin]

Super Milk-Chan

Well, at least one that makes American references... could be an easy "Rugrats Adult Party Cartoon".

Plus, it might make SMC tolerable.

[Artimus Gigan]

Super Milk-Chan

Well, at least one that makes American references... could be an easy "Rugrats Adult Party Cartoon".

Plus, it might make SMC tolerable.They have it

it's called Disc 2 when you open the DVD volumes

[Chad Bonin]

No, no, the Americanized version of Super Milk-Chan wasn't tolerable. More tolerable that the straight dub, but it still hurt.

Get Viacom to redub Rugrats (They're happy with "All Grown Up" now anyway), throw it on Spike TV's The Strip (does that even exist anymore?), and have some good writers on board.

[Samurai]

You do know that American cartoons are popular in Japan too. Ever seen the South Park homages in FLCL? ANN shows which movies do well in the Japanese box office, and most recently, The Incredibles is in 2nd place. If it weren't for American cartoons, there wouldn't be anime. The earlier artists were influenced by American cartoons.Ah, one of those great "What if?" questions: if there wasn't American cartoons, would there still be anime?

Well, first off, Japan has always had a strong art tradition. So, it's only natural they'd gravitate towards animation. And animation already existed in the world before American cartoons (for instance, the first modern cartoon was made by a Frenchman and in Japan they already had a long tradition of wood-block painting dating back several centuries that could be seen as a precursor to modern animation). So I think Japan still would have made "anime", regardless of rather or not there were any American cartoons.

Of course, without the influence of American cartoons, anime might look different today. So then the question becomes: How much did American animation influence Japanese anime? Well certainly, animators such as Tezuka and Miyazaki were influenced by Disney and Betty Boop. But they were also influenced by Japanese art, European and African art, other Asian art, etc.

So maybe the great big eyes of anime would be different today without the influence from Disney and Betty Boop. Who knows, maybe they'd look more similar to Kabuki art. Then again, Japanese has traditionally placed great emphasis on the eyes itself, even moreso than American animation (in anime, they believe the eyes is one of the best ways to show "emotion"). So maybe the eyes would still be as big today, again, who knows.

Anyways, this is one of those "What if?" questions we could wonder about for eternity, but I think Japan still would have made animation regardless of rather or not there was American cartoons. The only difference is they'd follow a different course of evolution.

[Artimus Gigan]

Ah, one of those great "What if?" questions: if there wasn't American cartoons, would there still be anime?

Well, first off, Japan has always had a strong art tradition. So, it's only natural they'd gravitate towards animation. And animation already existed in the world before American cartoons (for instance, the first modern cartoon was made by a Frenchman and Japan already had a tradition of wood-block paiting designed to animate a scene). So I think Japan still would have made "anime", regardless of rather or not there were any American cartoons.

Of course, anime might look different today, so then the question becomes: How much did American animation influence Japanese anime? Well certainly, the early animators such as Tezuka were influenced by Disney and Betty Boop. But they were also influenced by Japanese art, European and African art, other Asian art, etc.

So, without the influence from Disney and Betty Boop, maybe the great big eys of anime would be different today. Maybe they'd look more similar to Kabuki art, who knows. Then again, Japanese animation has traditionally placed great emphasis on the eyes itself, even moreso than American animation (in anime, they believe the eyes is one of the best ways to show "emotion"). And of course, European animation has also had large eyes, so maybe the eyes would still be as big today.

Anyways, this is one of those "What if?" questions we could wonder about for eternity, but I think Japan still would have made animation regardless of rather or not there was American cartoons.
However artists like Van Gough were influanced by Japanese artstyles...

[Ben]

Ah, one of those great "What if?" questions: if there wasn't American cartoons, would there still be anime?

And you can expose the absurdity of that question by realizing that if there weren't American cartoons there'd have to be no America, and with no America Japan would've had to wait much longer for their first encounter with Western modernity to come from faraway Europe, which means the Japanese defeats of China and Russia would not have happened and neither would their eventual economic and military empire in Asia. Japanese industry would've been stalled by decades and it's hard to imagine Kurosawa or Ozu ever making their pioneering films, not to mention Tezuka, Takahata and Miyazaki. Even if you grant that point, Japan probably wouldn't have developed the economic and political conditions necessary for television animation for entertainment purposes after World War II without the US.

So I guess that's my way of saying, "It's a dumb question."

[Tash]

My god this went off-topic fast.

Let's see... I'd like to see an American One Peice. (the Japanese version always stuck me as being a bit dry)

[Samurai]

And you can expose the absurdity of that question by realizing that if there weren't American cartoons there'd have to be no America, and with no America Japan would've had to wait much longer for their first encounter with Western modernity to come from faraway Europe, which means the Japanese defeats of China and Russia would not have happened and neither would their eventual economic and military empire in Asia. Japanese industry would've been stalled by decades and it's hard to imagine Kurosawa or Ozu ever making their pioneering films, not to mention Tezuka, Takahata and Miyazaki. Even if you grant that point, Japan probably wouldn't have developed the economic and political conditions necessary for television animation for entertainment purposes after World War II without the US.

So I guess that's my way of saying, "It's a dumb question."First off, my reply was to the poster's original assertion there'd be no anime if there was no American cartoons, which is in itself a hypothetical question. Second, I find your statement dumb that without American cartoons, there'd be no America. American cartoons and the existence of America are NOT mutually exclusive. America existed before there were any cartoons. So therefore, if there wasn't any American cartoons, America could still survive. Sure, a much different America perhaps, but America could go on without cartoons. Afterall, there weren't any cartoons during the American Revolution or the Industrial Revolution.

[Samurai]

Aww hell, it's the holiday season. So to get this topic back on board and not piss of a mod (although Twage referred to my whole post as nothing more than a "dumb question" :p)


It's much more fun to see anime in a style I could never get in Japan than to see an American imitation of what I could get in Japan.Okay, here I agree. Although, to take it farther, I would rather not see American animation and anime imitate each other. Being influenced is one thing, but a direct copy, that's a no-no in my book. Variety is good, it's the spice of life. Just like with foreign films and Hollywood films. Each has their strong points and their weakness. But I don't want to see foreign films copy American films or vice versa. Then what's the point of seeing something if it's trying to copy something you've already seen?

[Ben]

America existed before there were any cartoons. So therefore, if there wasn't any American cartoons, America could still survive.

Maybe America could, but I sure couldn't!

Sorry about my grumpiness earlier. This chicken-and-the-egg historical disucssion gets old after about the fifteen time you have it, that's all.

[Samurai]

Maybe America could, but I sure couldn't!
I don't know, if there weren't any American cartoons, you probably wouldn't even know what a cartoon was growing up! :p

So therefore, you'd probably have found something else to occupy your free time with. Such as movies, TV, books, games, bike riding, swimming, or a billion other things that people do as a hobby when they're bored.

[Artimus Gigan]

America would just have more variations of CSI

There would be:
CSI: Jersey City
CSI: Dallas
CSI: Boston
CSI: Northbrook

Oh and Cartoon Network would be MTV3 the third variation that promises more music because the other two MTV's went into Eternal Road Rules/Real World Marathon

[Samurai]

America would just have more variations of CSI

There would be:
CSI: Jersey City
CSI: Dallas
CSI: Boston
CSI: Northbrook

Oh and Cartoon Network would be MTV3 the third variation that promises more music because the other two MTV's went into Eternal Road Rules/Real World Marathon
Since Cartoon Network was originally part of the Turner Broadcasting Group, it'd probably be another variation of Turner Classic Movies or something. So instead of edited anime, you get edited versions of Casablanca :p

Anyways, anime I'd like to see be done with an American crew... uh, maybe Candy Candy or some of that Nippon Animation based off Western tales like Anne of Green Gables.

[Artimus Gigan]

Since Cartoon Network was originally part of the Turner Broadcasting Group, it'd probably be another variation of Turner Classic Movies or something. So instead of edited anime, you get edited versions of Casablanca :p

Anyways, anime I'd like to see be done with an American crew... uh, maybe Candy Candy or some of that Nippon Animation based off Western tales like Anne of Green Gables.Isn't AoGG already getting an animation?