Does Chrono Cross try to hard?

[Opaque]

I've been playing for a few hours, and it seems to me like the story is trying to get deep and epic to fast. Characters join your "party" before there is even a quest or reason to have a party, the story takes it's first plot twist and moves on before the main character has time to even care about what has happened, and with almost no prompting whatsoever the main character agrees to attack the most protected mansion in the area. Really, at this point in other RPGs, you might have two other characters with you; but they are never people you have never met before, the characters never go anywhere just because, and no one wants to join you for no real reason.

It just feels like it's trying to hard. I don't mind waiting a little bit to have more characters in my party, and I wouldn't mind some story explaining why I'm doing anything I'm doing. Thoughts?

[Captain Harlock]

I thought that Chrono Cross was very weak in the same sense that Suikoden was very weak. The game throws several characters at you, and a vast majority of them are unneeded and really don't have any character development. As for the plot.. well, it is kinda weak. The true point of the plot doesn't reveal itself until about 75% of the way through Disc 1. I don't want to give away any spoilers, but when I finished the game, I thought the whole experience was pointless. I know many people hail this game as one of the best RPGs of all time; but I find it to be a disappointment. Maybe it's because I liked Chrono Trigger so much, or maybe it's because the same just seems like a half-hearted effort on Square's part.

If you haven't played through Chrono Trigger, the plot may not make sense - I'm not sure if the game adequately explains the connecting plot elements for those unfamiliar with CT. The plot definately comes together, but if you like it or not is a different story.

[Opaque]

See in terms of gameplay, music and graphics the game is amazing; I can understand why people give it high praise. But yeah, the story isn't very filling at all, and most things seem to happen just because.

[Artimus Gigan]

The one thing that it does better than CT is that there is one solid ultimate final ending that is fairly easy to attain w/o any prerequets except to use the color code in the final battle

unlike OMG WORLD BOOM if you lose or that you don't gather all the cats in the beginning and then realise, crap you missed your chance.

[Peter Paltridge]

Chrono Cross not only tried too hard, it forgot its roots. There is no way this and Chrono Trigger have anything in common, I'm sorry. The worst of it is that Square released this and Vagrant Story at the same time, causing VS to be ignored. I'm working my way through Vagrant Story right now and I'm going to have to say it's the most flawless game I've ever seen. I mean that--aside from the forest navigation, I can't find a single thing wrong with this game. AT ALL. This is a huge thing to say. Go find Vagrant Story!

[Invader_Spooch]

Indeed, Vagrant Story and Valkyrie Profile have to be two of the most underrated RPGs of all time. I think they both get a bum rap for nothing else (outside of being hard to find) than being brutally difficult.

I can't begin to recount how many times those games PWND me, and left me an pile of emotional goo.

Though I kept coming back (God, Valkyrie Profile was good).

[Master Moron]

The one thing that it does better than CT is that there is one solid ultimate final ending that is fairly easy to attain w/o any prerequets except to use the color code in the final battle

unlike OMG WORLD BOOM if you lose or that you don't gather all the cats in the beginning and then realise, crap you missed your chance.

Ummm...the cats in Chrono Trigger automatically multiply as long as you keep feeding your cat. And the number of cats you have do not change the ending at all.

Anyway, Chrono Cross was a very good game, and I for one loved the number of characters you get, my main problem is that you can only have 3 characters in your party at a time. With this many characters you need a party of five or so people in order to use them all. However, my biggest complaint with this game is that there are only two dimensions. I mean, Chrono Trigger had about 5 timelines to visit, so why does this game only have two dimensions to visit? Why can't you visit the reptite dimension that's mentioned in the story? It doesn't help that the two dimensions are way too similar either.

[RAINMAN]

Every RPG try to be hard. Why else would people call it the deepest gean in VG? AS for the praise CC got? My guess is in the late 90`s 3D games were becoming populare then 2D games, RPG`s were one of the main reason for that. And it was made by square before the enix.

[Opaque]

Every RPG try to be hard. Why else would people call it the deepest gean in VG? AS for the praise CC got? My guess is in the late 90`s 3D games were becoming (more?) populare then 2D games, RPG`s were one of the main reason for that. And it was made by square before the enix.All things in bold either have horrible grammatical errors or just plane don't make sense.

Now, not all RPGs try to hard, infact most ease you into everything and don't become "epic" untill they have truely earned it. Also, CC deserves the praise it got, the gameplay, music and graphics are bested by none; it has nothing to do with "3D games becoming more popluar than 2D", which is almost completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Also, if you truly believe RPGs had anything to do with 3D gaming becoming popular, than I just don't even know if there are words to describe how out of the loop you are.

Lastly, what is this "and it was made by square before the enix" line? Before the merger? Before Enix released a good PSX RPG? Anything?

[Invader_Spooch]

All things in bold either have horrible grammatical errors or just plane don't make sense.

Now, not all RPGs try to hard, infact most ease you into everything and don't become "epic" untill they have truely earned it. Also, CC deserves the praise it got, the gameplay, music and graphics are bested by none; it has nothing to do with "3D games becoming more popluar than 2D", which is almost completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Also, if you truly believe RPGs had anything to do with 3D gaming becoming popular, than I just don't even know if there are words to describe how out of the loop you are.

Lastly, what is this "and it was made by square before the enix" line? Before the merger? Before Enix released a good PSX RPG? Anything?
God, thank you for taking the words right out of my mouth.:zim:

[Squall]

Chrono Trigger was such as well designed game, with such an amazing story & characters (it still holds up suprisingly well after all these years, two generations removed from the Super NES/Sega Genesis era), that the creators of Chrono Cross knew it was going to be hard to top. So they decided to take the game in a different direction.

I still think that Chrono Trigger was the far better game of the two, but Chrono Cross was a good game in its own right. After all, it's hard to deal with time travel and alternate dimensions at the same time on a global scale in already-established continuity when you're a writer! :sweat: Even on the day that Chrono Cross was announced, I had the feeling that "Chrono Trigger seems to have covered all the bases. What else can they do?" and I'm sure the writers felt the same way...

[RAINMAN]

All things in bold either have horrible grammatical errors or just plane don't make sense.

Now, not all RPGs try to hard, infact most ease you into everything and don't become "epic" untill they have truely earned it. Also, CC deserves the praise it got, the gameplay, music and graphics are bested by none; it has nothing to do with "3D games becoming more popluar than 2D", which is almost completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Also, if you truly believe RPGs had anything to do with 3D gaming becoming popular, than I just don't even know if there are words to describe how out of the loop you are.

Lastly, what is this "and it was made by square before the enix" line? Before the merger? Before Enix released a good PSX RPG? Anything?



IF RPG`s are not one of the main reason 3D games did not become so big then you tell me what was it? 3D improve on a lots of things that were impossabile or hard to do in 2D RPG`s games like special effect, better graphics and long CGI or Anime cut sceanes. RPG Gamers were so wow whit seeing that they would fall in love whit almost any RPG game.

As for the square before the enix thing. I ment the game was made before the merger.

[Opaque]

IF RPG`s are not one of the main reason 3D games did not become so big then you tell me what was it? 3D improve on a lots of things that were impossabile or hard to do in 2D RPG`s games like special effect, better graphics and long CGI or Anime cut sceanes. RPG Gamers were so wow whit seeing that they would fall in love whit almost any RPG game.
Did 3D make RPGs better? Yes. Did RPGs have anything to do with 3D gaming in general becoming big? No... hell no. You are taking one point (that 3D made RPGs more capable) and trying to have that correlate to 3D becoming popular in general, which in no way makes sense. 3D gaming became big becuase of sports titles, platformers and action/adventure games, not because of RPGs.

[RAINMAN]

Did 3D make RPGs better? Yes. Did RPGs have anything to do with 3D gaming in general becoming big? No... hell no. You are taking one point (that 3D made RPGs more capable) and trying to have that correlate to 3D becoming popular in general, which in no way makes sense. 3D gaming became big becuase of sports titles, platformers and action/adventure games, not because of RPGs.


So your saying RPG`s had nothing do whit 3D games becming populare but sports games did? Sports games did not become populare until this gen. RPG`s were one of the main reason why the PS1 did so well. Unless you really think crash and madden were the only reasons? Better yet, when people talk about good games from the ps1 which game gean alway come up? I`m awar this gen sports games have become popluare but in the ps1 era RPG`s ruled. You are baseing stuff off the present while overlooking the past. That like someone saying the 49ers are the worst team in the history of the NFL due to the current team and overlooking the teams past years from the 80`s and 90`s.:sweat:

[Artimus Gigan]

So your saying RPG`s had nothing do whit 3D games becming populare but sports games did? Sports games did not become populare until this gen. RPG`s were one of the main reason why the PS1 did so well. Unless you really think crash and madden were the only reasons? Better yet, when people talk about good games from the ps1 which game gean alway come up? I`m awar this gen sports games have become popluare but in the ps1 era RPG`s ruled. You are baseing stuff off the present while overlooking the past. That like someone saying the 49ers are the worst team in the history of the NFL due to the current team and overlooking the teams past years from the 80`s and 90`s.:sweat:
What?

If you're refering to FFVII selling a gazillion copies, the game did it with it's storyline and gameplay. Not to mention Xenogears was released AFTER FFVII and that game uses 6-way sprites(meaning each character's side had a different graphic rendered in sprites that was used when they changed direction) to render characters and has animated(not CGI) cut scenes, and polygons were only used for the mechs in battle mode.

[Opaque]

So your saying RPG`s had nothing do whit 3D games becming populare but sports games did? Sports games did not become populare until this gen. RPG`s were one of the main reason why the PS1 did so well. Unless you really think crash and madden were the only reasons? Better yet, when people talk about good games from the ps1 which game gean alway come up? I`m awar this gen sports games have become popluare but in the ps1 era RPG`s ruled. You are baseing stuff off the present while overlooking the past. That like someone saying the 49ers are the worst team in the history of the NFL due to the current team and overlooking the teams past years from the 80`s and 90`s.:sweat:
Sports games became popular this generation? You haveno idea what you are talking about do you? Yes people, like us, talk about RPGs being great on the PSX, but we are not the majority. Was the PSX a shining time for RPGs? yes. Are RPGs the reasons the PSX was a shinning point in gaming? no. All humans are mammals, but not all mammals are humans; it would be wise for you to learn how many things in this world work that way.

I mean really, do you even know how uneducated on the subject matter you sound? There are few people on this planet naive enough to believe that RPGs have ever had a role in anything becoming popular, infact untill FFVII the average consumer had never played or shown any interest in the genre. People didn't jump to 3D because of Final Fantasy or Chrono Cross, they jumped becuase of Mario 64, Legend of Zelda, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Tony Hawk, Madden and Gran Turismo. Not to mention that to the general consumer more advanced graphics = a better game. My uncle didn't buy the N64 becuase of the game selection, he bought it because he was uneducated, and to him more powerful (read:3D) graphics ment it was the way to go at the time.