Their Destiny is War - Gundam SEED Destiny Talkback, Part 2 (SPOILERS!)

[Duke]

DISCLAIMER: This series has not aired outside of Japan yet, and obviously will talk about spoilers for not only this series but it's prequel: Gundam SEED. If you do not wish to be spoiled at all, don't read the thread.

Since the previous (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=123697) Talkback was almost 30 pages, it's time for a brand new Talkback!

A recap of the first 10 episodes for those with short-term memory:

Phase-01: Shinn Asuka and his family are trying to escape Orb during the big battle from SEED. A errant explosion kills Shinn's mother, father, and little sister (all that's left of the sister is half an arm and a cell phone), and Shinn blames Freedom. Two years later, Cagalli, who has now taken her father's place as head representative of Orb, and Alex Zenon, her bodyguard (Secretly Athrun Zala), visit Gilbert Dullindal on the PLANTs to try and force ZAFT to stop using Orb's technology on their own Mobile Suits. Gilbert explains his situation with much charm, but before long, one of the hangers explodes, as three Earth Alliance operatives (Auel Nida, Sting Oakley, and Stellar Loussier) steal ZAFT's prototype Gundams: the Abyss, the Chaos, and the Gaia. In the commotion, Alex and Cagalli get into a nearby Zaku for safety. The three spies wreck havoc until Shinn arrives in his new Impulse Gundam...

Phase-02: Impulse Gundam (with its sword attachment) duels all three Gundams at once, barely holding its own. Alex attacks in his Zaku, but only succeeds in annoying the pilots, as the Zaku is wrecked and Cagalli suffers a concussion. Gilbert, meanwhile, retreats to the Minerva, ZAFT's newest warship. Impulse takes to the sky, but is still being overpowered. Outside the PLANT, Neo Roanoke is preparing for the return of his operatives with their Gundams. The battle still wages on, as Stellar becomes obsessed with destroying Impulse. Rey Za Burrel and Lunamaria Hawke arrive in their Zakus to provide much-needed relief. In order to stop Stellar's mad assault, Auel says Stellar's block word, which is "die," forcing her to go crazy as she tries to escape. Impulse switches to its Force Pack as Lunamaria's Zaku falls apart and the PLANT wall breaks, allowing everyone to escape. As Impulse, which is low on power, heads out, Alex and Cagalli board the Minerva and are escorted to Gilbert by Lunamaria. Unfortunately, Cagalli accidentally calls Alex "Athrun"...

Phase-03: Shinn is struggling against Neo's new Mobile Armor, which looks like an updated Mobius Zero, while Rey chases after him. Talia, the captain of the Minerva, orders the ship to launch to catch up to the Girty Lue, Neo's ship. As Gilbert watches on from the bridge, the Minerva heads outside to tangle with "Bogey-1." Neo realises that Shinn and Rey are too much for him alone, and retreats, as the Girty Lue detonates its propellant tanks to shake off the Minerva. Once the battle is over, Cagalli meets with Gilbert and tries to argue that these Mobile Suits are unneccessary since everyone is supposed to be trying to achieve peace. Shinn explodes in outburst, saying how Orb sugarcoats everything, as Rey tries to calm the young pilot down. Later, the three EA pilot rest and try to regain their strength in their pods, as it is revealed that they are the new EA druggies. On the Minerva, Gilbert wonders what Bogey-1's real name is, which leads him to reveal to the entire bridge crew that Alex is indeed Athrun Zala...

Phase-04: Shinn and Lunamaria launch as the Minerva follows the Girty Lue into an asteroid field. Gilbert explains that he wants to talk to Athrun as his true self, and that he holds no disdain for him. Meanwhile, the asteroid field proves to be a trap, as Auel, Sting, and Stellar attack. The Girty Lue manages to sneak behind the Minerva and eventually traps it next to a large asteroid, rendering the battleship a sitting duck. Shinn and Lunamaria are ordered to help out, but they're too busy with the Chaos, Abyss, and Gaia. As the Girty Lue fires another barrage of missles, Athrun tells the crew to head away from the asteroid. The hull is severly damaged and the ship is trapped. Rey launches manually in his Zaku Phantom, as Athrun devises a way to escape by shooting its thrusters and its weapons at the same time. Though the hull will be damaged, the ship can escape. Rey is too busy with Neo to help out, but the plan works, as the Minerva is able to seriously damage the Girty Lue. The ship and its crew retreats, as Talia tries to think of a new strategy. Later, Gilbert says that he has arranged for an Orb shuttle to pick up Athrun and Cagalli, as Shinn explodes in another outburst. Meanwhile, it seems Junius 7, for some reason, is falling out of orbit...

Phase-05: ZAFT notices the forced falling orbit of Junius 7, and the Minerva is deployed to stop it. As Cagalli and Athrun wonder what they can do, they overhear the pilots and the mechanics talking. Rey says that the only option is to shatter the destroyed PLANT, while Youlan says that letting it drop might make the PLANTs feel safer. Cagalli storms in and yells at the young mechanic, to which Shinn starts yelling at Cagalli (again), saying that Orb's full of BS. He finally reveals to Cagalli and Athrun that his family was killed due to Orb's ideals. Meanwhile, the leaders of Blue Cosmos come together to decide what's going on with Junius 7. Djibril, the supreme head, says that they should evacuate Earth, then return to unite the survivors against the Coordinators. Up on the Minerva, Athrun tells Cagalli to forget what Shinn said, as he is too angry to see any other view. He then goes and requests to use a Mobile Suit. Talia is intially against the idea, but Gilbert approves it, saying that they need all the help they can get. Meanwhile, Yzak and his team, which includes Dearka, launch to stop the drop, and run into the Chaos, Abyss, and Gaia. Hearing about a battle, all four Minerva pilots are re-fitted for battle and head out...

Phase-06: A small group of terrorists are responsible for the moving of Junius 7, and they defend their actions by attacking the ZAFT vessels that are trying to stop its decent. Yzak and Dearka attack, but are soon overwhelmed. The three Gundams arrive, as do Rey, Lunamaria, Shinn, and Athrun. Athrun shows off his skillz by completely pwning Sting, while the others hold their own. On Earth, the President of the United States adresses the situation, as does Orb. Kira watches on with a sorrowful face as Lacus plays with the children, and Djibril smiles smugly while petting his cat. In space, the Minerva sends a message to the Girty Lue that they are trying to stop Junius 7's descent. The battle heats up as the large PLANT splits in two. Unfortunately, the forward part is speeding up, heading into the atmosphere. Everyone but Athrun and Shinn retreat, as Athrun tries to destroy more of the asteroid. Sato, the leader of the terrorists, attacks Athrun, saying that Patrick Zala's ways of thinking were correct, but Shinn saves Athrun as the two of them head towards Earth. The Minerva prepares to head into the atmosphere as Gilbert retreats...

Phase-07: The Minerva descends into the atmosphere and fires its cannons to destroy as much of Junius 7 as they can. While most of it is destroyed, several fragments still connect, destroying Rome, Athens, Shanghai, Quebec, and Philadelphia, among other cities. Lacus sings a song to calm the children down. After the assault, Shinn manages to find Athrun and brings him safely aboard the Minerva, which makes Cagalli very happy. Djibril watches the chaos on Earth and smiles. Gilbert talks about how awful the current situation is with...Lacus!? On Earth, the Minerva lands in the Pacific Ocean. Cagalli is glad Athrun went, and is happy that the destruction is minimized, forcing Shinn to yell at her once again, saying she is naive and stupid, as well as feeling sorry for Athrun. Meanwhile, Djibril contacts the rest of Blue Cosmos and shows off pictures of the terrorist GINNs setting up the equipment on Junius 7, commenting that this is what they need to kill all Coordinators. The Minerva will head to Orb once repairs are completed, so the pilots blow off some steam using the target range. Rey is practically perfect, while Lunamaria is merely average. Athrun comes in, as Lunamaria goes into fangirl-mode, offering Athrun a try at the gun range. The young pilot is perfect, but hates this skill. Lunamaria says that it is neccessary to ward off enemies, but Athrun asks who the enemy is. Shinn asks Athrun why he is with Orb, but Athrun ignores him...

Phase-08: The Minerva finally arrives in Orb, as Cagalli is greeted by Yuna Roma Seylan, the son of one of the five heads of Orb. Yuna thanks "Alex" for protecting Cagalli as they walk off to discuss the current situation while the Minerva is being repaired. Murrue and Andy watch in the background, wondering what's going to happen. Inside the council, Cagalli is shocked that Orb has decided to accept the Earth Federation's proposal for an alliance. While Unato, Yuna's father, explains that it extends to all nations on Earth and provides relief services, Cagalli explains that ZAFT is innocent of the crime. Unato then shows her the pictures of the GINNs setting up flare motors, which Djibril released to the public. She is told that the people of Earth are too angry to defend ZAFT after what's happened. Later, Murrue, under the alias "Maria Vernes," and Murdoch arrive to help with the repairs. Murrue and Talia discuss the current situation and what will happen, but Murrue says that they shouldn't worry too much about the future, as there's no point. As the Minerva pilots wonder if they'll get to disembark, Athrun drives off and meets up with Kira and Lacus. As the three update each other on what's going on, Athrun and Kira discuss about what they are fighting for. Neither of them are too sure at this point. The next day, the Minerva pilots are allowed to disembark, and Shinn goes over to where his family was killed, seeing as it is now a park. Cagalli, meanwhile, tells Athrun of the new plan, forcing Athrun to decide to head for the PLANTs, but not before proposing to Cagalli and givnig her a ring. As Athrun takes off, Shinn and Kira meet at a memorial where Shinn says that no matter how beautiful an object is, someone will come to destroy it. The Atlantic Federation releases a list of demands for ZAFT, warning that if they do not agree, then they will have no choice but to declare war...

Phase-09: The ZAFT Council meets to discuss the terms the Atlantic Federation has demanded, including disarmament and the Supreme Council dissolved. Several members want to mobilize the military, but Gilbert warns that doing so would just repeat history. However, the Bloody Valentine is still fresh in everyone's minds, and the military is mobilized. Meanwhile, Athrun arrives at the PLANT and is updated on what's going on. On Earth, Djibril talks to the President, and believes that nothing can stand in his way now. They must clear the ugly weeds from an otherwide-beautiful garden. Mirallia takes pictures of some dead dolphins while Shinn dreams of playing with his sister. In space, the Earth Alliance officially declares war on ZAFT and launches an attack. Yzak and Dearka launch as well to intercept, and realize the new Windams being used are carrying nuclear weapons. Luckily for the PLANTs, they have a new Neutron Stampeder, which destroys any and all nuclear armaments. Gilbert is relieved that the attack has been stopped for now, though the Stampeder is now ka-put. Djibril is furious at this turn of events, and Athrun runs into a highly-energetic Lacus with a red Haro. Gilbert asks Athrun what's wrong, but he responds it's nothing...

Phase-10: Kira and Lacus see the battle in space, and both are unsure of what is to come. Athrun and Gilbert meet, as Athrun exclaims that he is confused on what to do, as he still feels that he lives in his father's shadow. Gilbert shows him war footage and tells Athrun that he is not Patrick Zala, he is Athrun Zala, a completely different person, and thus must pursue his own path. Then, "Lacus" shows up on the TV and manages to calm the people of the PLANTs (who want to kill all Naturals) down. Gilbert says that since he cannot find the real Lacus, this fake one will have to do, as Lacus Clyne is needed at this time. He then shows Athrun the 5th ZAFT Gundam, the Savior. Gilbert wants Athrun to use this Gundam to achieve his goals, even if it means not really joining up with ZAFT again. As Athrun decides what to do, he meets up with the fake Lacus, also known as Mia Campbell. Because she sounds like Lacus, Gilbert hired her to keep things at peace. The two have dinner, where Mia explains that she is a big Lacus fan and bugs Athrun for details about the pop idol. Athrun starts having flashbacks to the various battles he's fought, and stands up in angst. Like it or not, he needs the Savior Gundam right now...

Coming up: The return of Freedom and the Archangel, the Minerva is attacked while leaving Orb, and Athrun tries out his brand new Gundam!

[Lord Dalek]

Two episodes in a row, whoo boy.

[NickWhiz1]

Merry Christmas to Destiny viewers.

[FlyByNite77]

Japan gives ya a 1-hour two-episode showing for Christmas, and Cartoon Network bumps Gundam Seed...

another point for Japan... :D

[Captain Zechs]

So does anyone actually have any idea of when DESTINY will come to the U.S. and if so do you have any idea of which block it will be on, TOONAMI, Stealth or maybe possibly Adult Swim?

[Scirel]

The only gundam series that had success on CN were Wing and SD, all others did not live up to Wing`s success by any means. They didn`t even want the second season of SD even though they played the first like 10 times and all reports deemed it a success.

What makes you think that CN will ever air another Gundam Property? :rolleyes:

[Duke]

So does anyone actually have any idea of when DESTINY will come to the U.S. and if so do you have any idea of which block it will be on, TOONAMI, Stealth or maybe possibly Adult Swim?
No idea. Probably won't have any clue about broadcast rights until Summer, though Bandai may announce that it's about to start dubbing in Spring.

[shadowstrain]

Shall we re-make the thread every ten episodes? That way, if DESTINY ends up with 50, we'll have five threads, all organized for easy reference.

[Duke]

Shall we re-make the thread every ten episodes? That way, if DESTINY ends up with 50, we'll have five threads, all organized for easy reference.
The only reason I made a new thread was because it was getting upwards of 30 pages, which is usually where TZ likes to cut off long threads. And with the two new episodes airing this Saturday, I knew that the original thread would reach 35 pages easily, so I made this one in preparation.

[shadowstrain]

The only reason I made a new thread was because it was getting upwards of 30 pages, which is usually where TZ likes to cut off long threads. And with the two new episodes airing this Saturday, I knew that the original thread would reach 35 pages easily, so I made this one in preparation.
I know, but it'll happen again, so you might as well make it organized. Five threads was just a suggestion though.

[HellCat]

I've been giving my thoughts on Destiny's fate in the US in another current thread, so I won't bog this thread down with that same discussion.

As for having a set cut off point for the threads- I think it's something to consider. It could just be easier to say "Ok, it has so many pages let's just kill it now" but keeping each thread set to a certain number of eps makes it easier for anyone who may want to look up discussion for a certain ep later on.

[FlyByNite77]

I think Destiny depends more on how the Gundam Seed DVD sales are rather than the ratings on CN since I doubt Destiny will air on Cartoon Network and will just be a DVD-only release.

[Lord Dalek]

If Destiny airs anywhere, it will be on ASonDemand, UNCUT.

[FlyByNite77]

If Destiny airs anywhere, it will be on ASonDemand, UNCUT.Ah yea I forgot about that, they've shown F91 before it's release and it now has Char's Counterattack showing.


Although if Comcast/Sony do that Animax US channel maybe they'd go for a flagship product like Gundam. It would be cool if they could get back the stuff that aired on CN and then show a comprehensive all-inclusive Gundam lineup straight through the UC...

[HellCat]

http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/flag/jpf.jpg SEED DESTINY-EDITED-
Sunrise's official site (http://www.sunrise-anime.jp/sunnews/) has announced "SEED DESTINY -EDITED-" will air on Jan 29th at 6pm (the usual time slot for DESTINY). This 30 minute episode will introduce the new MS made by Earth Alliance, ZAFT, and Orb, each factions' strength/power, and analyze the episodes up to the Junius Seven drop.
Hope everyone is having a great Christmas! :)

[Juu-kuchi]

Well, it doesn't seem to be like any of the recap episodes of SEED.

[chris3116]

Episode 11: It was great. Yzak, Dearka and Athrun are going to see Nicol, Miguel, Rusty's Graves. I hate Yuuna. He's just a stupid b*****d. He talks with Cagalli about marriage.

Episode 12: Awesome Action Episode. Shinn in SEED Mode is going to blow. The Impulse destroyed many boats and Ships.

No episode next week so In two weeks, another character is going to SEED Mode. It's Kira with the Freedom.

Gundam Seed Destiny is going to be my favorite series in 2005. Merry Christmas.

And is Phase 17 going to be a Clip Show?

[Ryoutarou]

Clip show had to happen sometime knowing the SEED world, right? Just as long as there aren't as many in SEED D as there were in SEED.

[NickWhiz1]

It appears as if this is a special, and not part of the actual episode sequence. So, in a way, it's a clip show, but it doesn't really count as one :)

[Ryoutarou]

We still get another episode along with it, right? If not then it might as well count as an actual episode.:sweat:

[InfinityBlade]

Well, someone has to get this out of their system. May as well be me. Next episode...

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM!

*ahem*

[Ryoutarou]

Hmm...I might as well add
Shinn pwns Kira!!!!! That was rather rantish:sweat:

[Duke]

Yzak, Dearka and Athrun are going to see Nicol, Miguel, Rusty's Graves.
Wait, so they visit Rusty's grave, even though they never even bothered to give him a friggin face!? Even Olaf and Matthew at least had a face!

[Juu-kuchi]

Wait, so they visit Rusty's grave, even though they never even bothered to give him a friggin face!? Even Olaf and Matthew at least had a face!
He had a face, it was revealed in SEED Special Edition Episode 1.

[Duke]

He had a face, it was revealed in SEED Special Edition Episode 1.
...Now I actually have a reason for watching them...

[Deadly Messiah]

Can someone give me the name of all the new characters? I forgot who was who except for Shin and Lanork. Also, who is the brown haired guy with the scar on his face that looks like the Tiger dude from SEED?

Episode 11 was ok, kind of on the boring side. I haven't gotten to watch 12 yet, hopefully it will be better.

All in all though, this series has proven to be better than SEED 100 fold.

[Riza Hawkeye]

...Now I actually have a reason for watching them... Not just a face, he had a number of lines too. This is Rusty (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rusty2.jpg), he's sitting next to Athrun before they descend into Heliopolis.

[Juu-kuchi]

Wow Yzak, what a way to greet Athrun like that... At least Athrun's character arc seems to come to a stop right now with his mind set and ready to find his destiny, now I think the production crew will start getting into Shin's character now.

Further thoughts later.

Further thoughts: Yay, more of that mysterious SEED mode, and now we see that Shin can do that as well. Along with being more skilled at everything, he ANNIHILATES most of the Atlantic Federation's naval fleet. But still it sortof cheapens the idea that he didn't defeat all of them based on his normal skill, but the skill 'implanted' into him whenever SEED mode is enabled. But then again, extreme stress and situations can have people do amazing things like that. Also we get to see Athrun back in his original ZAFT uniform and he gets to wear a purple suit piloting Saviour. It's notable because I didn't expect his suit color to be that.

Well, Freedom returns next episode, and probably the last moment of the next episode will be Shin glaring at Freedom in rage or something as Reason plays for the final time as the ending of the series.

Another thing worth noting is that the next episode will air on January 8th. So that's a week without Destiny =/. Then the edited Destiny on the 29th. Geez, I hope we don't have a lot of these during it's run.

[NickWhiz1]

Also, who is the brown haired guy with the scar on his face that looks like the Tiger dude from SEED?
Exactly who you think it is.

Just watched 11 and 12...

I do believe that is the single most productive/destructive SEED mode we have seen in all 62 episodes of SEED/Destiny so far. He took out an entire fleet with SWORD IMPULSE. Not Blast Impulse, not Freedom, not docked with METEOR, just good ole' anti-ship sword on ship action.

Oh, and Yuuna needs to be shot in the head about 78 times.

[Scirel]

Impulse vs the mobile frog of death was pretty cool. Gotta love how he went nuts on all those ships.Everyone was like: :eek: . and the guys in the ships were like :crying: . And Shinn was like :cool: .

Since 11 was a talking ep, I`ll probably like it more after seeing the sub. Gilbert became one of my favorite charachters in ep 10. I hope that he is unrelated somehow to the ZAFT forces that attack Lacus with the cool mobile suits. I really want him to be a good guy.


I guess next week we will finally see which version of Kira vs. Shinn is true:

1.Kira lets Shinn wail on him
2. Kira pwns shinn easily

[Van Fleihight]

I guess next week we will finally see which version of Kira vs. Shinn is true:

1.Kira lets Shinn wail on him
2. Kira pwns shinn easily
I vote for #2 even if i haven't seen all of SEED or any SEED Destiny episodes..I need DSL or Broadband NOW!!! :crying: :crying: 56K dial up SUCKS! Kira will blow Shinn to bits. Shinn's shins will be gone lol. Seriously, I need a fast ISP. :mad:

[Duke]

Not just a face, he had a number of lines too. This is Rusty (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rusty2.jpg), he's sitting next to Athrun before they descend into Heliopolis.
You know, I was watching Episode 20 on DVD, and I noticed on Athrun's little bulliten board a teenager with wild red/orange hair, is that Rusty too?

[Juu-kuchi]

You know, I was watching Episode 20 on DVD, and I noticed on Athrun's little bulliten board a teenager with wild red/orange hair, is that Rusty too? I would think so... The way Athrun yelled his name at the first episode and having his picture up on the wall implies that there was a friendship between them.

Another thing worth noting on episode 12, the BGM playing while Shin wailed on the Earth Alliance seemed very reminiscent of the Imperial March for some reason.

[HellCat]

Regarding Impulse vs Freedom- I believe Kira is going to let Shin lash out as much as he wants for a while. I don't see anyway Kira can justify his mistake, so letting Shin attack one of the people who robbed him of his family is probably the best he can do to apolagise.

[Riza Hawkeye]

You know, I was watching Episode 20 on DVD, and I noticed on Athrun's little bulliten board a teenager with wild red/orange hair, is that Rusty too? Yeah, that would be Rusty. The board (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-board.jpg) has a number of pictures of people there, his mom, himself and Kira (two actually), himself and Miguel, and Rusty. If you watch that entire episode carefully there is a shot of the back of Rusty's head a little over half-way through, here (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-GroupShot.jpg).

[Duke]

Yeah, that would be Rusty. The board (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-board.jpg) has a number of pictures of people there, his mom, himself and Kira (two actually), himself and Miguel, and Rusty. If you watch that entire episode carefully there is a shot of the back of Rusty's head a little over half-way through, here (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-GroupShot.jpg).
Ah, that wasn't the shot I was talking about. I mean the one photograph on Athrun's BB where this kid had red/orange spikey hair, looking like he was running towards the camera. Kinda like the one Minerva mechanic (I think his name's Youlan) if his entire hairdo was orange instead of brown-with-orange-tuft.

[Michael]

dang they showed two? urrgh! i didnt know that... -_-

no one has a fansub of 12 yet either..doh!

[Riza Hawkeye]

Ah, that wasn't the shot I was talking about. I mean the one photograph on Athrun's BB where this kid had red/orange spikey hair, looking like he was running towards the camera. Kinda like the one Minerva mechanic (I think his name's Youlan) if his entire hairdo was orange instead of brown-with-orange-tuft. Are you sure that was from episode 20? I watched through the episode again and didn't see picture like that.

[Duke]

Are you sure that was from episode 20? I watched through the episode again and didn't see picture like that.
You mean there's another episode where we see Athrun's bulliten board?

[Michael]

Regarding Impulse vs Freedom- I believe Kira is going to let Shin lash out as much as he wants for a while. I don't see anyway Kira can justify his mistake, so letting Shin attack one of the people who robbed him of his family is probably the best he can do to apolagise.
hmm that will be a tough one, but an interesting one as well.

Power wise which do you think is more powerful. we know the Freedom is powered by a Nuclear Reactor, but is the Impulse? I havnet been able to catch that on when he "boots" it up?

[GWOtaku]

Impulse is powered by a battery power system just like most of the Gundams in Gundam Seed, although a far more advanced one--the practical result being that Phase Shift armor's longevity is now much improved. As such, with Justice long since destroyed its safe to assume based on what we know that Freedom is the only Gundam in the CE universe now fueled by nuclear energy.

As far as comparing the two goes, Impulse is probably the most advanced Gundam out of the the four made by ZAFT that we've seen so far (as Savior has not yet been seen outside of a hangar, I'm leaving that out). Still, in terms of power output Freedom is without a doubt superior. Even so in a serious fight Impulse could stand up to it; in Seed Raider, Forbidden, and Calamity could do that piloted by the so-called "druggie trio;" Impulse is more advanced than those three and I'm sure Shin is a better pilot.

Getting down to the heart of the rhetorical question, if both go all out without holding back I do think Kira wins out just because I'm convinced he's currently the most talented pilot in the CE universe right now, at this moment. In practice however its just not in Kira's character to lash out in retribution to Shin's anger, so an all-out brawl between the two will not happen at this particular point. Now maybe through one strange twist or many they will end up on opposite sides and need to fight. Its impossible to predict how things will end up so far down the line, but in the foreseeable future its not happening. So I too agree that Kira will merely allow Shin to vent in the event that he lashes out and worry about fixing the damage later. I do wonder whether Kira will travel with the Minerva after the fact, or not. It seems clear that Athrun is staying...

[Juu-kuchi]

I do wonder whether Kira will travel with the Minerva after the fact, or not. It seems clear that Athrun is staying... If Kira travels on the Minerva, I think I should bid farewell for any development on Shin. It will be just about Athrun and Kira all the time. I really do hope that since Athrun has now found his place in the war, it's Shin's time to develop, he just needs a motivator like Freedom to get him riled up.

[Riza Hawkeye]

You mean there's another episode where we see Athrun's bulliten board?
I'm not sure, but I could wade through some episode to see if I can find the particular photo you're talking about.

[Michael]

Impulse is powered by a battery power system just like most of the Gundams in Gundam Seed, although a far more advanced one--the practical result being that Phase Shift armor's longevity is now much improved. As such, with Justice long since destroyed its safe to assume based on what we know that Freedom is the only Gundam in the CE universe now fueled by nuclear energy.

As far as comparing the two goes, Impulse is probably the most advanced Gundam out of the the four made by ZAFT that we've seen so far (as Savior has not yet been seen outside of a hangar, I'm leaving that out). Still, in terms of power output Freedom is without a doubt superior. Even so in a serious fight Impulse could stand up to it; in Seed Raider, Forbidden, and Calamity could do that piloted by the so-called "druggie trio;" Impulse is more advanced than those three and I'm sure Shin is a better pilot.

Getting down to the heart of the rhetorical question, if both go all out without holding back I do think Kira wins out just because I'm convinced he's currently the most talented pilot in the CE universe right now, at this moment. In practice however its just not in Kira's character to lash out in retribution to Shin's anger, so an all-out brawl between the two will not happen at this particular point. Now maybe through one strange twist or many they will end up on opposite sides and need to fight. Its impossible to predict how things will end up so far down the line, but in the foreseeable future its not happening. So I too agree that Kira will merely allow Shin to vent in the event that he lashes out and worry about fixing the damage later. I do wonder whether Kira will travel with the Minerva after the fact, or not. It seems clear that Athrun is staying...
True about the Impulse being the most advanced since in epsiode 12 he can get the power back ie, phase shift armor again, by some "power beam" from the Minerva, which was interesting as well.....

Yeah it will be neat to see how it all ends up, but as in the intro we know that they will duke it out, now if that fight is in the next epsiode or back up in space, who knows :)

Funny how they all went back to battery powerup system since nuclear reactors are still possible, at least that would make more sense than worrying about a specified time limit you can do battle ya know

[HellCat]

Funny how they all went back to battery powerup system since nuclear reactors are still possible, at least that would make more sense than worrying about a specified time limit you can do battle ya know
It was part of the pretty useless post-war negotiations. Use of N-Jammer Cancellers were supposed to be prohibited for weapons along with Mirage Colloid (something the Alliance clearly went against when they equipped the Girty Lue with it).
Since the Alliance has already tried to nuke PLANT and since the nature of the conflict seems to be getting worse, I wouldn't be suprised if the Destiny and whatever MS the Alliance cook up for the second half make use of the Cancellers.

[God Of Death]

These last two episodes were great, especially as 11 offered a lot of plot development and 12 was full of action!

I do think Shinn will get more development from now on as they've shown him using his 'seed mode' and the upcoming confrontation with Kira will no doubt flesh out both his character and Kira's upcoming role in "Seed Destiny".
Still it was also interesting to see how he hangs out and interacts with Lunamaria. Lunamaria seems to be a close friend who cares for him, almost like a sister.

Although Kira and Lacus' both made appearances, they haven't really been prominently present either. From earlier episodes and this last episode it seems Lacus is just trying to be there for Kira while he struggles with his memories and feelings, seemingly knowing he'll have to fight again.

While it seems the fake Lacus -Mia- will serve as Chairman Dullindal's means to control Plant's public as well as Athrun ... I wonder what the real Lacus' role will be. Maybe the upcoming episode where she will be targetted by assasins sent from Plant will be used as a plot device to write her off for several episodes? (As I seriously doubt they'd kill off the real Lacus. Kira would go balistic! - But who knows, that may be the writers' intent? Guess we'll see.)

With Athrun having made his decision on where he will stand, chosing to return to ZAFT and pilot Saviour and Cagalli being forced into marriage to Yuna (and Orb being aligned to the EA) I'm curious to see how their paths will cross...(maybe they'll even end up confronting one another in battle)

I sincerely do hope Athrun and Cagalli get back together in the end.
(As Cagalli being married to Yuna is frankly just disturbing, especially considering he's just manipulating her. - Athrun should blast that weasel to bits with Saviour. :p )

[Riza Hawkeye]

No luck finding that picture Duke, but I did finally watch episodes 11 and 12 of Destiny. All I have to say is wow. Destiny is so much more enjoyable than SEED was at this point. Shinn going berzerk on the EA was amazing. It will cool when he gets control of 'seed mode'. I think Shinn is certainly unstable, though. I really want to see Saviour and in action, hopefully in the next episode. Kira politing the nuclear driven Freedom again, will be something to see. As well as his confrontation with Shinn. I really can't wait to see episode 13.

[Keiichi]

Jeez Gilbert sure knows how to pull sombodys strings. First the kind words, then his Fake Lacus, and finally sending in Athruns old teamates. And it looks like I was indeed right about Kira still not being over Flay's death as well as tol's it appears. I think he's coming back into the sorte a little too soon since it seems Shinn is finally going to get some character development. Speaking of Shinn I have mixed feeling about him getting seed mode. It seems like Fukoda is once again passing them around to people who should'nt have them. Ah well a good set of eps all in all.

[InfinityBlade]

Watching through Zeta (at Episode 22 right now), I'm starting to see subtle parallels between it and Destiny. As opposed to the outright, totally obvious things that SEED had.

Zeta spoilers follow.
I now see that Impulse Gundam is basically the SEED universe's version of the Gundam MK II. Like the MK II was an upgraded version of the original Gundam, Impulse is an upgraded version of the Strike. Now that I look at both series, I REALLY do think this is what they were going for, rather than being unimaginative and just copying Strike. Really, Strike and Impulse are SO similar, I thought they had to be getting at SOMETHING... and I think this is it.

As such, I REALLY think we may wind up seeing Destiny Gundam a lot sooner than Freedom appeared, and if it's not destroyed, I really expect Impulse to be handed off to someone else like with Emma getting the MK II.

Hey, the AEUG wound up stealing three Gundams too. Took a bit longer, but hey, it's SOMETHING. :p

Amuro's first big cameo is in Episode 6 of Zeta.
Kira? Guess. :p

Amuro doesn't return to action until Episode 14, but his first major episode is Episode 13. Though Kira's certainly been appearing, and has BEEN around, the most he's done is sit and angst, or just listen to Athrun babble. Kira is going to obviously have some major stuff in Episode 13 of Destiny. Not as direct a reference, but it's there.

I'm sure you could make a Miriallia the photographer = Kai the reporter argument as some SMALL reference. But since Mir doesn't carry a whip, act as a spy, or try to break into EA bases (not yet, anyway :p )... not so much. But hey.

Given Andy's actions in Episode 11, with Murrue and Kira obviously backing him silently, I wouldn't be surprised to see something of a small scale AEUG/Karaba-like organization eventually sprout up. Granted, we already had something like that in SEED at the end, but at least that was directly linked to a nation. But that's just speculation.

That's all I've got for right now. Nice to have little touches that fans can pick up on without crying out, "OMG RIP-OFF!" like some people did in SEED. :p

Either that or I'm watching WAAAAAAY too much Destiny and Zeta...

[Duke]

Amuro's first big cameo is in Episode 6 of Zeta.
Kira? Guess. :p

Amuro doesn't return to action until Episode 14, but his first major episode is Episode 13. Though Kira's certainly been appearing, and has BEEN around, the most he's done is sit and angst, or just listen to Athrun babble. Kira is going to obviously have some major stuff in Episode 13 of Destiny. Not as direct a reference, but it's there.There's one big difference though: Stuff can actually be shown WITHOUT Shinn being directly involved. Hell, if the Earth was nuked and turned into a wasteland in Zeta, they'd never actually show it unless Kamille's watching on Earth in his Gundam. And he NEEDS to be on Earth. Heaven forbid they show any Earth footage with Kamille in space...

EDIT: You know, I think the Gundam Savior may be the first Gundam to be in two different Gundam series (but NOT be the same suit).

EDIT x2: OK, screw that. Savior Gundam is not the first, Freedom Gundam is. The winner of the 2nd Gundam Fight in G Gundam was Gundam Freedom for Neo America.

[EnAll]

Just saw Ep 11 and 12

Ep 11: I.Want.To.Kill.Yuna

Ep 12: Wow. Shin in SEED mode with Sword Impulse, Athrun in ZAFT. I think the purple means he's with the Faith group

and because I can

SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVVVVVIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRR!!!

[Michael]

There's one big difference though: Stuff can actually be shown WITHOUT Shinn being directly involved. Hell, if the Earth was nuked and turned into a wasteland in Zeta, they'd never actually show it unless Kamille's watching on Earth in his Gundam. And he NEEDS to be on Earth. Heaven forbid they show any Earth footage with Kamille in space...

EDIT: You know, I think the Gundam Savior may be the first Gundam to be in two different Gundam series (but NOT be the same suit).

EDIT x2: OK, screw that. Savior Gundam is not the first, Freedom Gundam is. The winner of the 2nd Gundam Fight in G Gundam was Gundam Freedom for Neo America.
What other series was Savior in?

[HellCat]

What other series was Savior in?
I believe Duke is referring to the much loathed G-Saviour live action movie, with the title MS of the same name.

[Duke]

I believe Duke is referring to the much loathed G-Saviour live action movie, with the title MS of the same name.
Correct! As a reward, you get a G-Savior poster signed by Tomino's great-great grandfather!

[InfinityBlade]

Hey, this thread's going to be bumped by Saturday anyway, so might as well put forth a stupid question that popped into my head while watching newly aquired SEED DVDs...

In the first & second OPs, Strike Gundam appears at the title screen with Earth behind it.
In the second & third OPs, Freedom Gundam has the sun behind it.
In the first OP of Destiny, Impulse Gundam has the moon behind it.

So, the question must be asked... what's left to appear behind Shinn's second Gundam? :p That actually makes SENSE?

[Riza Hawkeye]

In the first & second OPs, Strike Gundam appears at the title screen with Earth behind it.
In the second & third OPs, Freedom Gundam has the sun behind it.
In the first OP of Destiny, Impulse Gundam has the moon behind it.

So, the question must be asked... what's left to appear behind Shinn's second Gundam? :p That actually makes SENSE?
The PLANTS ;)

[InfinityBlade]

The PLANTS ;)
Yeah, but they don't quite give off that nice little glow that makes the Gundam all shadowy. :p

Oooh... I know! In-space nuclear explosions!

Hey, at the rate this is going, that could be the PLANTs by then. :p

[Riza Hawkeye]

Nuclear explosions? They do have nice glow to them :evil:

[Deadly Messiah]

Did Ep 13 air this past week?

[Riza Hawkeye]

Did Ep 13 air this past week?
No, it was prempted because of the holiday.

[Juu-kuchi]

I saw the preview for episode 14 and I must say (in spoilers)...

That it is absolutely nice to see the Archangel again, along with some snazzy new uniforms as well. BUT REMEMBER IT'S SHIN ASUKA'S SHOW. I don't want Archangel to play tagalong with Minerva and there will be so many characters to develop that Shin will be left in the dust AGAIN. Along with all the OTHER characters that are supposed to be the new MAIN characters.

[GWOtaku]

Why does it have to be Shin's show? I don't see why developing him means having to leave the likes of Kira and Athrun behind.

[HellCat]

Why does it have to be Shin's show? I don't see why developing him means having to leave the likes of Kira and Athrun behind.
I don't think anyone's saying the original returning cast should be ignored. But at the moment they are hogging the spotlight. We had a series to get to know these characters and whilst they deserve to be further developed, there's no point adding new characters if the show does nothing with them. Who do the official statments about the show say is the lead? Shinn. Who appears on most of the merchandise? Shinn. Who pilots the poster boy Gundam? Shinn.
It's not going to hurt to have the 'oldies' take a back seat for a while. The new guys have done it long enough.

[Juu-kuchi]

Because supposedly he's the main character. The press releases say that he's the main character. Then although we see him speak and pilot mobile suits, it's Athrun that's getting the development. Now Kira is in the picture and essentially if he is going to be in it, then we may see nothing more than Destiny being Athrun and Kira's show. I mean come on, within the first 10 episodes we actually saw Kira develop and deal with the current situation and a lot of light was shown toward his uncertainty in the conflict as a Coordinator among Naturals. Now here's Shin and he hasn't even been given much of a spotlight than Kira even though it's supposedly his show. Athrun may be a major player, but he was the focus of the first part instead of Shin. At least he develops during that part and now we see conviction in him. But now that Kira is in the picture, I fear that we're not going to see anything much with Shin because it will be Kira and Athrun's story again.

Do not get me wrong, I enjoy Destiny and anticipate each week's episode, but focus on the new characters.

The show's lucky that it has at least 30+ episodes for this desire of character development within the new cast to be made. I'm given the impression that Shin Asuka is the main character when I watched the opening episode. But right now he's in the sidelines. They better push him into the spotlight.

I'm just really really irked at the lack of development on behalf of Shin.

[EnAll]

After Seeing the EP 14 Preview, I want to kill Yuna even more

Expect rant of how to touture Yuna to follow

[FlyByNite77]

Looking at ep 14 preview

What are the chances of Kira saying in Ep 14 to Cagalli "You...You're a girl?" :p

[NickWhiz1]

Looking at ep 14 preview

What are the chances of Kira saying in Ep 14 to Cagalli "You...You're a girl?" :p
I would laugh my ass off so hard it wouldn't be funny. That would be the...fourth time she's been called a girl like that? (Kira in SEED 1, Kira in SEED 19, and Athrun in SEED 24, IIRC)

[Duke]

Looking at ep 14 preview

What are the chances of Kira saying in Ep 14 to Cagalli "You...You're a girl?" :p
I'm surprised it hasn't been said yet. Maybe it's because Cagalli's not wearing her vest or something. Then again, Rey never speaks and Shinn's all angst whenever he's near her. And Gilby seems intent on belittling her, but in a charming way.

[InfinityBlade]

Who else is thinking, judging from the Episode 14 preview...

That Cagalli's wedding is going to have a Gundam dropping down in the middle of it? :p

As well, everyone looks pretty nice in their new uniforms. And Kira's new flight suit is pretty awesome, too. And hey, even Lacus is taking a role on the bridge crew!

And Episode 13 spoilers since I realize not everyone's seen it yet.

Aside from a few minutes with the Minerva at the beginning in the aftermath of Shinn kicking royal ass, this episode focuses mainly on Kira's little group and everyone with them.

I thought it was a good episode, overall. And it was nice to see Andy & Murrue actually get to kick a lot of ass with the assassins while everyone else was trying to get the children to safety. Then, of course...

*ahem*

FREEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Though one has to wonder where this facility to store Freedom (and presumably the Archangel has to be SOMEWHERE, given the preview for next week) came from (or at least, does Orb know about it? Did they build it?)... it was VERY nice to see Freedom back and kicking ass.

The apprehension Lacus had of Kira re-activating his Gundam was understandable, given what the previous war did to him on several occasions. Though ironic, considering SHE gave him Freedom in the first place. Thus, it actually makes sense that she would be holding the keys to unlock Freedom's chamber, to prevent it from being used in any time except when it was absolutely necessary.

But dammit, Kira, are you ever going to actually KISS her? :p (and that peck on the cheek in SEED 48 doesn't count)

On the subject of Shinn & company's screen time in comparison to Kira and Athrun... yeah, I wish Shinn would get a little more focus. But I think that after Shinn & Kira have their inevitable confrontation, we'll wind up seeing a lot more focus on him. I don't know why, but I just have that feeling. ^^;

[Juu-kuchi]

Finally saw the episode. I have to at least give props to the fact that for the first few minutes of the episode some focus is placed upon Shin and his fellow pilots. I didn't really understand but unlike when Kira or Athrun went into SEED and nobody really wondered what happened when they did that, they actually wondered how did Shin do such things. Rey compliments him in some way and everything seems all and good for right now.

Then comes the Lacus assassination part. The assassins were not really shown what allegiance they belonged to (although we can speculate what would be obvious), and at least Murrue and Andy did not act like Noirish on the assassins. I mention Noir because that anime had two people against a lot of others and they always won (that and Murrue's actions here remind me of another Mitsuishi Kotono character from that anime Mireille Bouquet). We finally see Freedom launch, and although I still think it's overpowered, it's great to see it back in action. What's also great is the action sequence between the ZAFT suits and Freedom. Although there were some recycled parts, most of the action was brand new and actually kicked ass for the whole two minutes it was on. Of course the gang won't get any answers thanks to all of them committing suicide, but there you go.

Good to see Neumann and Chandra back in the AA. I wonder if Tonemura, Paru, and Murdock will make their return as well. Then I also wonder what will happen next episode. Will they play out the wedding sequence and the Archangel launch, and what will Freedom do during that time as we see it launching. Well, I'll just have to find out next week.

[Duke]

I wanna know when Sai and Kuzzey are coming back. Or is Kuzzey hiding in a cave somewhere?

[NickWhiz1]

<3 Episode 13.


Wow, we get Rey actually smiling, a Matrix-style shootout in the Ramius/Waltfeld mansion, a Kira/Lacus romantic moment, and...

*clears throat*

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!1111oneeleven!


What a way to end the 1st coul.

Next week, we get a new OP and ED (I find it strange that "Life Goes On" hasn't been leaked in ANY way so far. It appears as if the first time we'll hear it will be the Episode 14 ED o_O), and (hopefully) a crashing of Cagalli's wedding, as well as Archangel and Freedom action ^_^;;;



BTW...Andy = Kazuya Sensui - bad attitude

Oh, and +10 to Fukuda & co. for playing "Tobe! Freedom!" during the Freedom fight sequence. That made my day :)

[Deadly Messiah]

Wow, ep 13 was amazing. We got the return of the Freedom!! Plus this episode had Lacus (my fav SEED character) in it a lot.

Next week Athrun and Cagali get married. Well, unless that freaking Yuna dude makes her not marry him like he told her in this episode with it being "forbidden" for a natural to marry a coordinator. :rolleyes:

This series is rocks. And while there have been some pretty boring episodes (9-11), this series is certainly better than SEED. Speaking of SEED, it is confusing as hell watching SEED on CN and watching this. When this ep started, I said "wait a minute, Athrun was about to shoot Lac...no, wait, that was SEED."

[Keiichi]

Well it looks like somebody wants the real Lacus Cline rubbed out of the picture and I think we know who it was since these assassines were armed with the lastest Zaft mobile suits. Also I wonder if Shinn may be a cordinator or perhaps volunteered to under go experiments and had his genes altered. Since there was talk about Gilbert being an expert on DNA.

[Juu-kuchi]

Also I wonder if Shinn may be a cordinator or perhaps volunteered to under go experiments and had his genes altered. Since there was talk about Gilbert being an expert on DNA. That was an interesting revelation. Then we have that Shin was picked over Rey to pilot the Impulse, and maybe this is certain character development for Rey as he may be jealous (though he hides it) of Shin.

This episode at least had people wonder what the heck happened out in the battlefield when Shin got into SEED mode. Nobody ever asked Kira about what happened during the desert arc or even when the Duel, Buster, and Blitz attacked them before the 8th Fleet.

[Funkatron]

That was an interesting revelation. Then we have that Shin was picked over Rey to pilot the Impulse, and maybe this is certain character development for Rey as he may be jealous (though he hides it) of Shin.

This episode at least had people wonder what the heck happened out in the battlefield when Shin got into SEED mode. Nobody ever asked Kira about what happened during the desert arc or even when the Duel, Buster, and Blitz attacked them before the 8th Fleet.
They didn't ask him, but it was pretty obvious that they had questions by the way kept calliing him amazing and whatnot.

With shin on the other hand, he is on a ship full of coordinaters. They should be somewhat on the same page, but Shinn even rocks by Coordinater standards

[Keiichi]

With shin on the other hand, he is on a ship full of coordinaters. They should be somewhat on the same page, but Shinn even rocks by Coordinater standards
Thats what I think as well. Esp since Shinn (as far as we know) is a natural and not a cordinator. Where as with Kira he was the only cordinator on Arc Angel so I guess his feats were just attributed to him being one.

[Funkatron]

Thats what I think as well. Esp since Shinn (as far as we know) is a natural and not a cordinator. Where as with Kira he was the only cordinator on Arc Angel so I guess his feats were just attributed to him being one.
I thought only Coordinaters could do the Seed thing.

Anywho, just cause he was from Orb doesn't mean he isn't a Coordinator. Kira was one and from ORB


Also I wonder if Shinn may be a cordinator or perhaps volunteered to under go experiments and had his genes altered. Isn't that the essense of being a coordinater in the first place?? Gense splicing?

[HellCat]

Shinn is a Coordinator. Info on the show says so and I don't see any reason he wouldn't be. He's in a known 'For Coordinators' army, living in their homeland (we see in episode 1 that even in peace time both sides still hold resentment so a Natural going to the Coordinator homeland would be a bad idea) and when the Minerva crew had that "Can the world ever forgive us for this?" moment after the colony drop, Shinn was included.
I don't think you need to be a Coordinator to have SEED Mode. Cagalli achieved it and she's a Natural. There've been discussions that the name implies the next step in evolution that George Glenn spoke of. Thanfully it looks like Bandai sat Fukuda down and told him to provide an answer this time.

As for the assasination attempt- forgive me if someone has already said this, but could Fake Lacus be behind it? From what we know of her, she only sees worth in her ability to copy Lacus and she seems dedicated to Gilbert. It's possible she's not too well mentally and so it's her that arranges to have Lacus killed, to remove a wildcard which threatens her new happiness and possibly Gilbert's plans.

[Keiichi]

I thought only Coordinaters could do the Seed thing.

Anywho, just cause he was from Orb doesn't mean he isn't a Coordinator. Kira was one and from ORB
Like hell cat said Cagalli was able to use Seed mode. And just because he was from Orb does'nt mean he's a cordinator. He hated the EA for attacking earth so he joined Zaft. I don't think Zaft is composed entirley of Cordinators since Patrick had concerns over future generations.


Isn't that the essense of being a coordinater in the first place?? Gense splicing?
Yes but look at the 3 EA pilots. If Shinn is'nt a cordinator he could have undergone experiments to help him be able to compete on the same level like they did.

@Hellcat: While that is an interesting theory I don't think Mia has the connections to send out an elite group of Zaft soliders and also supply them with the latest MS. This was a very thought out operation and the soliders even comminted suicide so the master minds identy would remain secret.

[Will Sturnick]

Great episode. It was nice to see Freedom again, but I wish they'd focus on the new cast some more. But as said before, after the Shinn/Kira duel the focus will shift to the Minerva crew. That and I see our friends from the Girty Lue making an appearance on Earth soon.

Oh yeah, I just noticed that "Tanhäuser" (the Minerva's main cannon) is the name of a Wagnerian opera, same for the Lohenegrin (The Arch-Angel's cannon). Just thought I'd share it.


As for the assasination attempt- forgive me if someone has already said this, but could Fake Lacus be behind it? From what we know of her, she only sees worth in her ability to copy Lacus and she seems dedicated to Gilbert. It's possible she's not too well mentally and so it's her that arranges to have Lacus killed, to remove a wildcard which threatens her new happiness and possibly Gilbert's plans.My theory is that our way too friendly chairman, Gilbert Dullindal organized it. He didn't want to risk the real Lacus appearing and possibly blowing his charade with Mia. And that would cause the people to no longer trust him (since he manipulated them), and possibly eject him from the power seat. I think that there is a far more sinister side to Dullindal.

[Funkatron]

I don't see anything that points to Shinn being a Natural; in fact, there is more to point that he is a Coordinator. I doubt Zaft would let a Natural be in thier military, let alone fly thier flagship gundam. I also don't see them wastng time programming a gundam so that a Naural would keep up.

[HellCat]

Like hell cat said Cagalli was able to use Seed mode. And just because he was from Orb does'nt mean he's a cordinator. He hated the EA for attacking earth so he joined Zaft. I don't think Zaft is composed entirley of Cordinators since Patrick had concerns over future generations.


Yes but look at the 3 EA pilots. If Shinn is'nt a cordinator he could have undergone experiments to help him be able to compete on the same level like they did.

@Hellcat: While that is an interesting theory I don't think Mia has the connections to send out an elite group of Zaft soliders and also supply them with the latest MS. This was a very thought out operation and the soliders even comminted suicide so the master minds identy would remain secret.
I'm sure I remember the earliest info on Shin from places like Gunota saying he was a "16 year old Coordinator".

[Duke]

I thought only Coordinaters could do the Seed thing.
The "Cosmic Era Terms" in Disc 6 of R1 SEED says that SEED Mode can be activated by anyone, whether Coordinator or Natural, since it's jumping to the next evolution (kinda like going SSJ in DBZ). I believe it's also stated by Erica Simmons in Episode 27.

[HellCat]

http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/flag/jpf.jpg Miscellaneous DESTINY news
The DVD jacket for Vol. 2 at Rakuten's Be-J Web Shop (http://www.rakuten.co.jp/be-j/522373/482717/650759/#606936), on sale March 25th.

And Kadokawa (http://www.kadokawa.co.jp/bunko/bk_search.php?pcd=200409000062) announced the first volume of the novelization of SEED DESTINY, on sale March 1st. The author is Riu Goto, who also did the SEED novels.
I guess after a cover like that there'll be outcry by some if Bandai don't use them in the US.

[NickWhiz1]

*prepares long hatemail for if we don't get that cover*

[FlyByNite77]

Yea, I think ole' Gil is behind the assassins and everything because if it's revealed he's using a fake Lacus it will hurt his position. I doubt Mia has the ability to field a squad of special OPs people, but then again Lacus had a lot of access in Seed so who knows... I still say it's Gil though, he acts way too nice and in charge.

Andy with the gun-arm is so much ownage... :p

[Will Sturnick]

*prepares long hatemail for if we don't get that cover*Yeesh...Am I the only one that doesn't really like that cover? I hope that covers for the entire series aren't just "characters on parade". I prefer the ones that illustrate an "important going on" from the DVD (like SEED's), or at least have an interesting picture/collage of characters The ones with a character and then their mecha (or just them) in the background just look too plain.

[Pepperidge]

My opinion is the complete opposite. I was dissapointed that the SEED covers didn't each have a character on them.

[Lord Dalek]

[deep breath] clears throat...


FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That was good.

[Duke]

Yeesh...Am I the only one that doesn't really like that cover? I hope that covers for the entire series aren't just "characters on parade". I prefer the ones that illustrate an "important going on" from the DVD (like SEED's), or at least have an interesting picture/collage of characters The ones with a character and then their mecha (or just them) in the background just look too plain.
Well, the first couple of SEED's were character profiles before switchting to scenes. Though they didn't focus on the second-tier characters like Lunamaria.

Personally, I like the scene covers better. R1 Volumes 3, 5, 7, 8, & 9's covers ROCK.

[Riza Hawkeye]

I just saw episode 13 and wow. This episode is now my new favorite episode. I'm sure that will change with the new episodes, but as it stands right now this is my favorite. Freedom kicked major butt in here, I didn't expect all the pilots to self destruct their machines but I guess I should have expected as much. The best parts of the episode for me would have to be Andy's arm gun (1 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-Andygun1.jpg)) (2 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-Andygun2.jpg)) and Freedom meticulously taking apart that last MS (1 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rightarm.jpg)) (2 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rightarm2.jpg)) (3 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-leftarm.jpg)) (4 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-leftarm2.jpg)) (5 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rightweapon.jpg)) (6 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-leftweapon.jpg)) (7 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-leftleg.jpg)) (8 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rightleg.jpg)) (9 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-whatsleft.jpg)). The way the pilots reacted when they realized it was Freedom was great because they knew they were so screwed.

[Pepperidge]

I'm worried that Destiny isn't going to have enough characters on the Blue Cosmos side. I know I shouldn't draw heavy comparisons to Zeta, but it has so many great characters on the Titan side, whereas in Destiny all we have is Djibril, the three druggies and a masked dude.

This show needs a Bask Om, or at least a deflector like Emma!

[Duke]

I'm worried that Destiny isn't going to have enough characters on the Blue Cosmos side. I know I shouldn't draw heavy comparisons to Zeta, but it has so many great characters on the Titan side, whereas in Destiny all we have is Djibril, the three druggies and a masked dude.
All it needs is a high-level person who sees the idiocy in all this and pushes for peace. I mean, Blue Cosmos is essentially a cult (one with military and political power, yes, but still a cult), and since when do they have moral oppositions within their organization?

[HellCat]

Yeesh...Am I the only one that doesn't really like that cover? I hope that covers for the entire series aren't just "characters on parade". I prefer the ones that illustrate an "important going on" from the DVD (like SEED's), or at least have an interesting picture/collage of characters The ones with a character and then their mecha (or just them) in the background just look too plain.
It certainly isn't the most flattering shot of the character... I think character covers can work if done well. Since Destiny will probably be 13 volumes, I'd say the remaining 11 will be- Rey, Athrun, Kira, Neo, Sting, Stellar, Auel, Shin in a pilot suit when he gets Destiny (after uniforms, Bandai tend to use the pilot suits for promotional things) and the others to be filled by characters we haven't met yet or characters who will later get an MS (I can see Yuna piloting one in the finale). Talia could work too if they used Minerva in place of an MS.

As for people switching sides- I can see Stellar doing that once Fukuda gets back to the Shin/Stellar angle. Auel will likely be killed to spice things up and Sting will probably be like Yzak, obsessed with taking out 'the transforming one'.

[Pepperidge]

I don't know if they'll go for killing the girly guy twice, but it would be nice if some sort of rivalry or obsession was incorporated into one of the male druggies. Even just a copy of the Yzak angle would do.

I thought of something watching volumes 8 and 9 of Zeta Gundam. Given that Shinn has been established as having such a big sister complex, do you think it's possible that they may introduce a Rosamia-type character later on in the show? I think that dynamic would be far more interesting in Destiny than it is in Zeta.

[MeggieMay]

I just saw episode 13 and wow. This episode is now my new favorite episode. I'm sure that will change with the new episodes, but as it stands right now this is my favorite. Freedom kicked major butt in here, I didn't expect all the pilots to self destruct their machines but I guess I should have expected as much. The best parts of the episode for me would have to be Andy's arm gun (1 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-Andygun1.jpg)) (2 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-Andygun2.jpg)) and Freedom meticulously taking apart that last MS (1 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rightarm.jpg)) (2 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rightarm2.jpg)) (3 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-leftarm.jpg)) (4 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-leftarm2.jpg)) (5 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rightweapon.jpg)) (6 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-leftweapon.jpg)) (7 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-leftleg.jpg)) (8 (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-rightleg.jpg)) (9 (http://server2.uploadit.org/files/RizaHawkeye-whatsleft.jpg)). The way the pilots reacted when they realized it was Freedom was great because they knew they were so screwed.Someone pretty please do a disco version of pictures 1 or 2, so I can put it with the other Andy's Disco Gun picture :evil: :D :anime: . I swear, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw Andy's new gun and ya'll know CN would do a dumb edit like that given the chance :rolleyes: :sweat: :evil:. [spoiler as not to give anyone at CN any ideas - not that I think GSD has a chance in hades of getting aired there (which is either a :( :mad: or :p mattering on my mood of the day).]

[Keiichi]

As for people switching sides- I can see Stellar doing that once Fukuda gets back to the Shin/Stellar angle. Auel will likely be killed to spice things up and Sting will probably be like Yzak, obsessed with taking out 'the transforming one'.
I don't know Stellar seems to have tragic figure written all over her. When this series first started I predicted she'd be anouther Four and I'm going to stick with that.

[HellCat]

I don't know Stellar seems to have tragic figure written all over her. When this series first started I predicted she'd be anouther Four and I'm going to stick with that.
Since they keep pitting her against Luna (catfight!), I've my own little theory- Shin developing actual feelings for Stellar will coincide with Luna being killed in battle by her. Meyrin's reaction to Shin having feelings for the girl who killed her sister is less than positive (imagine a cross between how Flay and Miri took their respective tragedies).

[Keiichi]

Why not she looks almost exactly like Flay.

[InfinityBlade]

Why not she looks almost exactly like Flay.
...which is exactly why I think something like that SHOULDN'T be done...

[rubberchicken]

Yeah, but the "OMG YOU KILLED MY BEST FRIEND AND NOW I'M ATTRACTED TO YOU" bit had some pretty heavy use in SEED already - Kira kills Miguel and Nichol, Athrun "kills" Kira and then latches on to Cagalli, Tolle gets killed by a Coordinator and then the whole Dearka/Miri thing starts... I'd prefer a different tack this time, myself.

And at the very least, they'd better not pull a Fllay and kill characters just because they can.

Anyway, just saw Ep. 13. Largely good stuff. I'm still no fan of SEED mode (ridiculously convenient way to get out of tough situations), but at least Shinn et al are taking a little time out to question it, instead of just "well, that's nifty. Back to the Kira/Fllay soap opera, guys." Kira now seems to be able to SEED at will; thus far, SEED mode has only come under extreme emotional stress, but Kira's pretty calm at the time he enters it in this episode.

Freedom makes its triumphant return, and it brings the HiMAT with it. -_- However, he only takes out a couple of suits with it, which gives me a little hope that it won't be quite as cheesy as it was in SEED.

The secret of Andy's arm is revealed... oh my.

Blooper time... when one of the assassins fires at the group through a grating, Murrue and Andy both return fire and kill him. However, you can see that their shots ricochet off the grate instead of going through it... :zim:

Murrue's little Matrix bullet-time shot seemed a little out of place here.

[Duke]

I can kinda see Stellar falling in love with Shinn, then realizes she's on the wrong side. However, her loyalty (along with the fact that Neo is probably as cunning as Gilbert is) keeps her on the Girty Lue until she makes a rash decision to betray her allies. She may try to convince Auel and Stinger to come too, but they'll probably refuse. Either Auel or Stinger will die when that happens. 6-7 Episodes later, Stellar meets her end as well after fulfilling her love for Shinn.


Kira now seems to be able to SEED at will; thus far, SEED mode has only come under extreme emotional stress, but Kira's pretty calm at the time he enters it in this episode.
Kira was pretty calm in Episode 35 of SEED as well.

[Keiichi]

I think what some of you seem to be forgetting is how mentally unstable Steller is. More so than Sting and Auel. Who knows what she may be like with out her treatments and theirs also her control word. This is the main reason I think of her as anouther Four. She and Shinn will probley get close but she can't just leave the EA due to her conditon and she may end up dieing saving shinn or she may totally flip out of control and Shinn may the one to put the poor girl out of her misery.

[Duke]

I think what some of you seem to be forgetting is how mentally unstable Steller is. More so than Sting and Auel. Who knows what she may be like with out her treatments and theirs also her control word. This is the main reason I think of her as anouther Four. She and Shinn will probley get close but she can't just leave the EA due to her conditon and she may end up dieing saving shinn or she may totally flip out of control and Shinn may the one to put the poor girl out of her misery.
Yea, you're right. To add to my previous post. Stellar may end up betraying the EA anyway and in the process, killing Auel. Stinger can't believe what happened and goes into withdrawal, while Stellar, as she's starting to go nuts, gives into primal urges. Or least tries to.

[Zapages]

Good episode(13), I really enjoyed just like Seed episodes...

[HellCat]

I think it's pretty obvious the two will hook up sooner or later, since they're taking the position in the OP that Kira and Lacus took in SEED and the OPs give alot of stuff away. How they'll do it is the big question. Fukuda still needs to develop the new cast to the point where we can care about them before any specific interactions will get a reaction from the audience. Personally, I hope my own theories are wrong. Those were cooked up based on the way things seem to be going but I'd like to believe that Fukuda can do better than that, just like how I'm one of those who thinks he's trying to trick us into thinking Gilbert is secretly up to something.

[NickWhiz1]

Needs more Lunamaria.
Needs more Shiho.
Needs a LOT less Yuuna.

I could live with that.

[EnAll]

Needs more Lunamaria.
Needs more Shiho.
Needs a LOT less Yuuna.
Needs more:
Rey
Gilbert
Mia

I could live with that.
Added

[rubberchicken]

Well, I'm going to stick to my "Stellar is way too unstable to survive a Gundam series" guns. We shall see.

I just want to see Cagalli actually do something. People have been telling her to shut up and behave since the middle of the first series, and it's starting to get just a wee bit annoying.

And it remains to be seen where Neo's loyalty actually lies. I mean, supposedly he's with Jibril, or maybe with the EA, but he's had so little coverage that there's no way to know what decisions he'll end up taking. Another Rau would be too easy (not to mention stupid, although still not as stupid as "look everybody, it's Mu!")

[HellCat]

DESTINY 2nd OP
Pics (http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/destop2.jpg)
Video (http://ranobe.sakuratan.com/up2/updata/up16231.rar) (14.5 MB zipped .avi) pass is "op2"
Oh so juicy. We get another big hint that Neo=Mu with a shot of a shocked Murrue holding a gun to him unmasked. Fanservice aplenty in the form of pilot suit Cagalli (with Miriallia in the background :D) and the poses of the existing characters. Plus, what looks to be our first look of Destiny Gundam. Unless the size comparison with Freedom is a metaphor, that thing's a Psyco Gundam-like monster!

[Funkatron]

OK, got it to work.

GSD= HEAVY METAL'D!!!!

[HellCat]

Just watched the video. Seems what may be Destiny and the giant Gundam are two seperate MS. Also looks like we're going to get two stories with the Archangel crew staying on Earth and Minerva returning to space.

[Keiichi]

Oh hell the look on Ramious face and neo's mask is off.....

[Juu-kuchi]

Well Dalek your... Scotsman on a Horse theory had the wrong person. :about Episode 14:

Man. Too many characters. I'm going to keep saying they better remember who to focus on.

[EnAll]

After seeing the pics

Atruhn's back!
I'll think up more

[Keiichi]

Man. Too many characters. I'm going to keep saying they better remember who to focus on.
Yeah Fukoda need to learn to let the previous cast step down like tomino did. Hopfully they'll just help the Minerva back into space or maybe they'll split ways once they're in space.

[GWOtaku]

Can anyone identify that guy with the orange Zaku?

And is that not a Gundam behind Andy? :eek:


posted by Monkey D. Luffy:

Yeah Fukoda need to learn to let the previous cast step down like tomino did. Hopfully they'll just help the Minerva back into space or maybe they'll split ways once they're in space.
Its no accident that Shin and company are the ones in the ending shot in the OP. I think we can expect the group of Shin/Athurn/Lunamaria/Ray to be in the forefront more than the others. However I neither expect nor want the others to go away, and I think they will be important as well.

[Juu-kuchi]

And is that not a Gundam behind Andy? :eek:
I think that's just a gold Murasame.

[Lord Dalek]

Well Dalek your... Scotsman on a Horse theory had the wrong person. :about Episode 14:Nuts. And am I the only one here who can't get the opening to work?... again.

Edit: Nevermind

[EnAll]

Nuts. And am I the only one here who can't get the opening to work?... again.
Your'e not alone

[Lord Dalek]

Allright, it's good to see Lacus in her post Phase 40 outfit again, but who's the new Zaft Guy they added?

And I'm happy Stellar finally got a new character portrait, but couldn't they do a new one for Athrun? I mean come on!

[Juu-kuchi]

Pride is a bit too grungy, but other than that it's decent.

[Pepperidge]

Please tell me that Athrun doesn't get more screentime in the opening than Shinn. :rolleyes:

Also, I'm guessing they use the same animation for the new ending theme?

[Duke]

Thoughts after looking at the screens:

-I like the fact that Lunamaria's sister is featured (albiet briefly) in the opening shot. It gives me hope that she'll be useful later on.
-Couldn't they give Cagalli something other than Strike Rogue. The color scheme is just so...wrong.
-Shocked Murrue=Goodness. But what's the Mobile Suit behind them?
-Andy gets the updated Hyaku Shiki! :anime:
-Who's the orange-haired guy? o.O
-Wuv the new portraits of both Lunamaria and especially Stellar.
-If the size comparison is accurate in the intro, then that Gundam in the background looks to be as big as the Grand Master Gundam!
-o.O Lacus is the navigator?

Anyway, I was thinking last night. It's quite obvious that Talia and Gilbert are lovers. I don't know if they actually love each other or what, but still. Anyway, let's assume that Gilbert is indeed planning something that will kill a lot of people. What do you think Talia would do? I'm going to assume that most of the Minerva crew would object and fight back, so would Talia join them and sorrowfully turn against the man she loves, or will she betray the Minerva and become Gilbert's second-in-command?

[HellCat]

Thoughts after looking at the screens:

-I like the fact that Lunamaria's sister is featured (albiet briefly) in the opening shot. It gives me hope that she'll be useful later on.
-Couldn't they give Cagalli something other than Strike Rogue. The color scheme is just so...wrong.
-Shocked Murrue=Goodness. But what's the Mobile Suit behind them?
-Andy gets the updated Hyaku Shiki! :anime:
-Who's the orange-haired guy? o.O
-Wuv the new portraits of both Lunamaria and especially Stellar.
-If the size comparison is accurate in the intro, then that Gundam in the background looks to be as big as the Grand Master Gundam!
-o.O Lacus is the navigator?

Anyway, I was thinking last night. It's quite obvious that Talia and Gilbert are lovers. I don't know if they actually love each other or what, but still. Anyway, let's assume that Gilbert is indeed planning something that will kill a lot of people. What do you think Talia would do? I'm going to assume that most of the Minerva crew would object and fight back, so would Talia join them and sorrowfully turn against the man she loves, or will she betray the Minerva and become Gilbert's second-in-command?
The burning MS looks like a Windam. Neo probably gets a custom one at some point.
As for Talia and Gilbert- I've been thinking about this myself. In the new OP they're facing away from each other and so are Murrue and Andy. It could be a sign that both these relationships are about to be broken apart by something (Murrue/Andy by Neo, Talia/Gilbert by his ambitions?). I think that out of all the Minerva crew Rey would be the most likely to stay loyal if Gilbert was revealed as a villain. He seems very loyal to him and apparently eager to prove he's better than Shin and Rey.

[InfinityBlade]

Please tell me that Athrun doesn't get more screentime in the opening than Shinn. :rolleyes:If anything, Kira, Shinn, and Athrun all get pretty much the same amount of screen time. With Shinn having just a bit more.


Also, I'm guessing they use the same animation for the new ending theme?Nope, brand new.

Oh, and the new OP rocks hard. It's easily shot up to one of my favorites.

As for comments of the old cast "needing to step down"... I don't think that's needed. I think that once Athrun gets firmly established on the Minerva's crew, and now that the Archangel's crew has been established and back in action that it's entirely possible to give focus to BOTH ships, with Minerva being the main attraction. I really do think that's the case. As it was pointed out, Shinn, Athrun, Rey, and Luna aren't featured how they are at the end of the OP for no reason. But you can't expect SEED's characters other than Athrun to just up and disappear.

[rubberchicken]

Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm...

Well, well. A new character, and we haven't even tried to introduce most of the existing ones. Get off your asses, writing team! I want to KNOW these people!

It's a little tough to tell from the picture, but it looks like Lunamaria and Meyrin are ALSO moving away from each other. Might take some significance away from the Murrue/Andy and Talia/Gilbert thing.

Since Andy and Murrue are both qualified to captain a capital ship, the moving-away bit may just mean that they're being separated by the upcoming actions - especially seeing as how they're both in uniform. A ship doesn't need two captains. Then again, there is that other shot with Andy and an MS, so maybe he'll just be piloting...

I don't know how much of a relationship Andy and Murrue actually have. Not much has been said, except for a little talk over coffee in the previous episode. If they were really, truly together, Fukuda would probably hit us with a nice subtle shot of them in bed together to prove it.

I hope Neo isn't Mu. I really don't. If he turns out to have miraculously survived my respect for the improved writing is going to take a serious nosedive. A more realistic suggestion would probably be the old theory of Neo being another Mu Sr. clone. Assuming this one looks more like Mu than Rau did (since Neo does share his voice), that could certainly explain the look of shock on Murrue's face; if I remember correctly, she never found out about the cloning experiments.

If they're going to keep Cagalli at the front of the lineup they'd better start actually having her do something.

Spiffy new uniforms. Wonder how large/organized this third party is going to end up being. Unless Freedom starts HiMATting with reckless abandon again, there's only so much damage a couple of cap ships can do.

[HellCat]

According to discussion over at Gundam Watch, Lunamaria's VA has said there will be tension between the two sisters. If that's true, then we could take it that 2 characters facing each other= continued partnership, 2 characters facing away from each other= breaking down of partnership.

[Lord Dalek]

Yuna whining like a little girl = priceless.

ALSO NEW ED'D!

[InfinityBlade]

*looks at the new guy and his Zaku*

Is that the orange Zaku from Episode 9?

[NickWhiz1]

*looks at the new guy and his Zaku*

Is that the orange Zaku from Episode 9?
It's quite possible.

Ep. 14...

OP:
Me likey. Animation wise, leagues above the 1st OP. It's not quite as fast-paced, which I don't mind, because I thought the 1st OP moved wayyyyy too fast. As for Pride, it's good, but not exceptional. Not bad for their first big song, though. (Not as good as Tamaki Nami's first song, but ehh =/ Of course, her first song was Believe, and we all remember how that turned out :sweat: )

Episode:
It was a bit slow, but the wedding crashing scene made it all worth it in the end :) Yuuna acted more animated during that scene than I've ever seen any other character in Gundam act. Nice that Kira put him in his place. While watching that, the first thing that came to my mind was that Yuuna = Azrael. He talks big, but throw him in a life-threatening situation, he turns into a big wimp (SEED Ep. 49 is a wonderful example of this).

ED:
It's going to take some getting used to. I liked the animation (quite different than the previous 3), but Life Goes On isn't clicking for me. I'm going to need a couple more episodes to see if I like it as the ED song. The song itself is fine, I just don't know if it fits or not.

Preview:
Saviour finally gets to kick some ass, as well as a return to the Minerva. If they do the two storyline idea (one storyline w/Archangel, one storyline w/Minerva), I wouldn't mind that. It would be a welcome departure from "focus on one ship/character the entire series" formula.

[InfinityBlade]

...oh, and I think we can all agree that Yuna has taken the title from Kuzzey for best girly-man cry.

[FlyByNite77]

Thoughts after looking at the screens:
-Shocked Murrue=Goodness. But what's the Mobile Suit behind them?
-Andy gets the updated Hyaku Shiki! :anime:
-Who's the orange-haired guy? o.O
Looks like a custom Windam possibly.

Lol. Athrun != Char. Andy is Char! haha. It looks cool though, guess Orb likes the gold since they did the Astray Gold Frame too and it looks like a custom Murasame.

I'd rather have Shiho show up instead of some new orange MS guy ;)

[HellCat]

It's been pointed out elsewhere that the orange MS looks more like a Gouf than a Zaku. Looks like Destiny isn't done bringing back classic Zeon MS.
Then there's this- http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?BAN933973 . Whoever this guy is, looks like he's a member of Faith.

[Riza Hawkeye]

I just saw 14 and here are my impressions of the new OP. I heard 'Pride' a few days ago and thought it was alright, but with the animation I liked it a lot more. I still like 'Ignited' more though. The animation really makes me think Neo is Mu, I guess it's possible he's another clone though :shrug: Murrue seems to recognize him without his mask, 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/OP1.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/OP2.jpg) If the opening is any indication, I don't think Shinn and Kira will have any lasting feud. Anyone have any idea on what this huge Gundam (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/NewGundam.jpg)(?) is?

I liked the scene on the bridge with Andy and Murrue, both have the merits to be captian but I guess it's only right that Murrue capian the Archangel again.

Does anyone know if the name of Andy's MS has been revealed? It looks pretty sweet (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/AndyMS.jpg)

I thought Yuna was going to pee in his pants here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/Yunascared.jpg) and here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/Yunascared2.jpg)

Anyone else reminded of King Kong here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FreedomasKK.jpg)?

It would have been funny for Kira to say 'You're a girl?' again, he instead commented that she looked good in her dress. I thought was funny because of the situation they were in. It was a nice dress afterall :p

[NickWhiz1]

Does anyone know if the name of Andy's MS has been revealed? It looks pretty sweet (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/AndyMS.jpg)

I believe that's Orb's new MP model, the Murasame, which has been likened to a MP version of Zeta Gundam. It appeared to be a custom version.

[Riza Hawkeye]

I believe that's Orb's new MP model, the Murasame, which has been likened to a MP version of Zeta Gundam. It appeared to be a custom version. I wonder how they get ahold of it unless it's already onboard (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/MSonBoard.jpg). It would have be the one in the background because I believe the one in the foreground is Freedom.

[NickWhiz1]

I wonder how they get ahold of it unless it's already onboard (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/MSonBoard.jpg). It would have be the one in the background because I believe the one in the foreground is Freedom.
The one in the background is Strike Rouge.

Check that same scene, at the bottom of the pan. You'll see what appears to be a red fighter plane. That's the Murasame in MA mode.

[Riza Hawkeye]

The one in the background is Strike Rouge.

Check that same scene, at the bottom of the pan. You'll see what appears to be a red fighter plane. That's the Murasame in MA mode.
I see. So it'll be red in MA mode and Gold in MS mode. I was thrown off by it being red :sweat:

[rubberchicken]

It's been pointed out elsewhere that the orange MS looks more like a Gouf than a Zaku. Looks like Destiny isn't done bringing back classic Zeon MS.


The lineup won't be complete until they've resurrected the Kaempfer.

[NickWhiz1]

To coincide with the wedding crashing, a new avatar and custom title.

I was going to put "Scared ****less by Freedom", but that would probably be too spoilerish.

[Duke]

I was going to put "Scared ****less by Freedom", but that would probably be too spoilerish.
There are only about a dozen people in the Cosmic Era NOT "scared ****less" by Freedom.

[NickWhiz1]

There are only about a dozen people in the Cosmic Era NOT "scared ****less" by Freedom.
Yeah...but Yuuna shows it better than anyone else :sweat: *edits*

[HellCat]

Don't think anyone else has posted this


DESTINY manga Vol. 1
Kodansha Book Club (http://shop.kodansha.jp/bc2_bc/search_view.jsp?b=3349640&x=C) has a pic of the cover for the first collected volume of Mizuho Takayama's manga adaption of SEED DESTINY. Included is a special "Episode Zero" which wasn't part of the TV series version. It comes out on January 17th, is 165 pages, and goes for 530 yen.

[Juu-kuchi]

I watched the raw of Episode 14. It's all right and all, but they really need to start picking up speed. I liked how Archangel and Freedom are back and how Pride and Life Goes On are pretty good as an opening and ending respectively. But they just really need to pick up speed. It's just crawling around like SEED was in this part but at least they don't alternate action/drama episodes.

[Deadly Messiah]

This episode was cool. I liked the new opening and closing. I still cannot believe Cagalli almost let that moron she does not even like marry her when you know she loves Athrun.

Something I noticed today when looking at the new NewType. THere are 3 characters shown in the NewType for SEED that wear the same type of outfits that the 3 kids who stole the Gundams in Eps 1-2 of Destiny wear. I wonder if there is some connection there.

[Duke]

*Glee*

I can't wait. Tomorrow I'll be back up at college and I can continue watching Destiny! Yay for me!

[boinging]

anyone of you guys notice shins new gundam in the op? it looks pretty sweet with the 2 swords in the back... sort of like a improved freedom.. :) Looks awsome!

[Ryoutarou]

Destiny gundam...think that's what it's called:sweat: It'll be a while before we actually get to see it. Anyone else think the new opening is kinda...spoilerish?^^;

[lostrune]

I still cannot believe Cagalli almost let that moron she does not even like marry her
So? Nothing a divorce or even just a geographical separation later can't fixed. :D

[Duke]

Destiny gundam...think that's what it's called:sweat: It'll be a while before we actually get to see it. Anyone else think the new opening is kinda...spoilerish?^^;
Believe is more spoiler-ish. We got Freedom, the druggies, and Mu piloting the Strike about 10 or so episodes before they actually happened.

[Juu-kuchi]

Fukuda what the hell are you planning based on the way "Life Goes On" is presented...

You have potential couples meet at the center and for some reason Stellar, Neo, and Auel are all upside down while the rest are right side up. Are you implying that they're gonna die?

Update: We have a name for the mysterious new pilot seen in "Pride". His name is apparently "Heinz Westenfluss (http://www.sunrise-anime.jp/sunnews_pic/image/0501171741091.jpg)", and is an elite pilot belonging to Athrun's FAITH unit and pilots a "Gouf Ignited (http://www.sunrise-anime.jp/sunnews_pic/image/0501171746040.jpg)". He will be voiced by Takanori Nishikawa (TM Revolution).

[NickWhiz1]

So Mr. Nishikawa is doing another character? I don't think he'll get the Miguel treatment (i.e. killed off within 3 episodes of appearing), as he appears in both the OP and E, and is a confirmed member of the FAITH squadron.

So, we can get a Heinz Westenfluss, but we can't get a Shiho Hahnenfuss? What the hell.

[Pepperidge]

Fukuda what the hell are you planning based on the way "Life Goes On" is presented...

You have potential couples meet at the center and for some reason Stellar, Neo, and Auel are all upside down while the rest are right side up. Are you implying that they're gonna die?
Honestly, I think their deaths are pretty obvious.

[Ryoutarou]

I can see Stellar and Auel's death happening. As Auel seems like the usual psycho pilot that gets killed off anyways, and Stellar seems like she might build a connection with Shinn...and we all know how that works out half the time. Neo is the only one I actually can't see dying.

[chris3116]

Good Episode 14. I laugh so hard when Yuuna "pissed on his pants" when he saw the Freedom. That pathetic loser should die. Very good new opening theme but the ending would be better if Reason was still there.

[Pepperidge]

My personal theory is that everyone in the show will die except for Yuuna.

[NickWhiz1]

My personal theory is that everyone in the show will die except for Yuuna.
BLASPHEMY!

[Duke]

Ah, good 'ol Freedom fanservice. Tis' sweet. :D

Hate the new OP, indifferent to the new ED.

Love Andy's gun-arm.

[MeggieMay]

Fukuda what the hell are you planning based on the way "Life Goes On" is presented...

You have potential couples meet at the center and for some reason Stellar, Neo, and Auel are all upside down while the rest are right side up. Are you implying that they're gonna die?I'm not sure if that's what the implication is or not. Keep in mind Sting is shown right-side up. So that could mean Sting is going to die; Neo, Stellar, and Auel, are going go to the good side, and Sting isn't; or maybe more probable - the animators thought Neo, Stellar, and Auel up-side down like they're floating in space looks way-cool :D.


Update: We have a name for the mysterious new pilot seen in "Pride". His name is apparently "Heinz Westenfluss (http://www.sunrise-anime.jp/sunnews_pic/image/0501171741091.jpg)", and is an elite pilot belonging to Athrun's FAITH unit and pilots a "Gouf Ignited (http://www.sunrise-anime.jp/sunnews_pic/image/0501171746040.jpg)". He will be voiced by Takanori Nishikawa (TM Revolution).I'm going to risk asking this here but where in the world is the Gouf originally from? I've picked up the vibe that Goufs have shown up in a earlier Gundam series or that they are in one of the G-SEED/Destiny mangas but I'm not clear as to which is which or if they are simply new and those into the Mech aspect of the show just knew they might show up to be used.

[InsaneZero]

The Gouf was from the original MSG.

Ramba Ral was the original pilot.

[Duke]

A Custom version was also used in the final 2-parter in 08th MS Team.

[HellCat]

Gouf Ignited? Wow, way not to plug more advertising for TM Revolution's music :rolleyes:

As for the Gouf's history- it first appears on Earth in the original series. Cosmetically, it looks like a meaner version of the Zaku. Because of this Amuro makes the incorrect assumption that it'll just perform like a powered up Zaku and we get the infamous "This isn't a Zaku you're fighting! Not a Zaku!!" quote when Amuro puts this theory into practice. Personally, I consider the look to be part of the designers trying to prove that- early Zaku pilots were taught to ram enemy ships with their shoulder spikes if the battle got that desperate. The fact that the Gouf's spikes are deformed could be taken as the designers saying a Gouf pilot will never need that strategy because the MS will always come out on top.

[FlyByNite77]

I wonder if Gouf Ignited plays Ignited on it's OS start-up music? :D

Seeing Yuuna cry and run like a scared little kid was awesome. Cagalli looked very pretty in her dress and all made up and I swear I wished Kira was a cold-blooded killer type so he could have stepped on that purple-haired idiot... Plus his Mother looked like an evil witch from a Disney movie or something... lol

So Archangel is submersible now? Well it makes sense if a ship can operate in the vacuum of space. I guess the only thing which stopped them before was not having the right type of engine to function in water. Although I wonder where the heck they plan to go, they fled Orb who joined the EA and now can't go to PLANT... Umm? :sad:

South Pole mebbe? :p

[Lord Dalek]

My personal theory is that everyone in the show will die except for Yuuna.I'll second that.

[Michael]

i liked the new epsiode, and seeing Yuna showing his true colors, greatness

[Keiichi]

Don't really care the new opening the new closing theme is alright. As for the episode it self was kind of dull. Hopfully with Athrun back next ep things will get interesting again.

[Juu-kuchi]

Hopefully we won't have any more episode skipping after the skip that happened on New Years Day and then this week with it's recap episode (which seems not in the episode count but is a standalone affair).

[Will Sturnick]

I like the new OP. It's got to be the most "rocky" theme's we've had for a Gundam, "Century Color" and, to an extent, "Stand Up to the Victory" are the only other rock songs I can think of. As for the visuals...It opens very similar to the way that "Moment" did. I'm assuming that the MS fighting Freedom, was the Destiny Gundam. Did anyone notice that Milliaria has a brief shot in the OP? During the scrolling picture w/ Kira & Cagalli, Milli is shown sitting on a crate right infront of the Strike Rogue

The new ED was pretty good too. The song is nice and was rather soothing. The visuals seemed to be a fusion of the visuals from "Jidai ga Naiteiru" and "Issenman-nen Ginga" from ZZ. I'm glad they didn't pull a "River" and use the same visuals from the old OP.

As for the episode itself, I new that Kira would use Freedom to save Cagalli as soon as he got the note. I also figured Yuuna would end being a big coward. I like Kira's new flight suit. Looks like like next week will bring the spotlight back to the ZAFT side of things, and hopefull begin to focus more on the newbies.

It's just me or is Gundam becoming ego food for Takanori Nishikawa? Not only does he perfrom some OP's & IN's, but he got a character in SEED, an episode in SEED narrated by him, but now he gets an OP worthy character who's name is name just one big homage to him.

EDIT: Added an extra observation to my OP commentary.

[HellCat]

It's just me or is Gundam becoming ego food for Takanori Nishikawa? Not only does he perfrom some OP's & IN's, but he got a character in SEED, an episode in SEED narrated by him, but now he gets an OP worthy character who's name is name just one big homage to him.
And his SEED character (Miguel) has been expanded on to be one of the major reasons the events from the Astray stories go the way they do.

[NickWhiz1]

It's Fukuda's fault.

No, seriously, it is.

Fukuda liked T.M. Revolution's "Thunderbird", signs Nishikawa on for the 1st SEED OP, the rest is history.

I still think this series needs more Tamaki Nami, considering SEED quite literally put her on the map (Believe, anyone?). A couple random animated shots on big screens on Orb buildings and a declined MSV character homage isn't enough.

[FlyByNite77]

It's Fukuda's fault.

No, seriously, it is.

Fukuda liked T.M. Revolution's "Thunderbird", signs Nishikawa on for the 1st SEED OP, the rest is history.
Yea, I had heard that before. Fukada was a big fan and it's like TM Revolution is able to force himself onto an anime. Fukada wants him involved. It does seem like this new guy is going to have a bigger role then Miguel, although it would be quite hard to have a SMALLER role then Miguel did... ;)

[InfinityBlade]

Yea, I had heard that before. Fukada was a big fan and it's like TM Revolution is able to force himself onto an anime. Fukada wants him involved. It does seem like this new guy is going to have a bigger role then Miguel, although it would be quite hard to have a SMALLER role then Miguel did... ;)
What about those other guys (other than Rusty) who died and Athrun didn't give the time of day to? :p

[FlyByNite77]

What about those other guys (other than Rusty) who died and Athrun didn't give the time of day to? :pOk point taken... I guess it is possible to have an even smaller role then Miguel. heh

[InfinityBlade]

*nod* ^^;

...y'know, Andy should be piloting the damn Gouf. But nooo...

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Well, okay, there's the fact he defected from ZAFT... but hey! Technicalities!

Doesn't seem to be hurting Athrun right now. :p

[NickWhiz1]

Well, they could have always had him say "This is no BuCUE boy...no BuCUE!!!" when he deployed the LaGOWE back in Ep. 21 of SEED. In fact, I was expecting him to say it, but they didn't take it that far =\

I still stand by my "more Tamaki Nami" theory. Of course, from what people are saying, the problem is on her side. I know that she declined to be Shiho, but I'm sure they've made more attempts to give her at least a cameo.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Is that avatar made from that pic I provided, Nick?


I like the new OP. It's got to be the most "rocky" theme's we've had for a Gundam, "Century Color" and, to an extent, "Stand Up to the Victory" are the only other rock songs I can think of. As for the visuals...It opens very similar to the way that "Moment" did. I'm assuming that the MS fighting Freedom, was the Destiny Gundam. Did anyone notice that Milliaria has a brief shot in the OP? 'Pride' has kinda grown on me. I didn't like it much when I heard it without the animation, but after listening to it a number of times with the animation, I like it more now.


During the scrolling picture w/ Kira & Cagalli, Milli is shown sitting on a crate right infront of the Strike Rogue I missed her the first time I watched, but caught her the after another viewing of it. She's only shown for about a second, which is less than in the first OP but since she is in the new OP I'm thinking she'll get more screen time than that little cameo a few episodes back.

[GWOtaku]

The new OP and ED were smashingly good. As good as "Ignited" and "Reason" were, the changes to the new OP and ED don't feel like a let down at all. "Pride" and "Life Goes On" are well done and supplant the animation very well; with the first two OP's and ED's so successful, it makes me wonder how they'll top it with the third.

The new animation was a bit of a surprise. I expected that they'd go with the side-scrollling background a bit longer, but the new ED looks great in its own right. Speaking of which, I actually don't think the way some characters are upside down while others are not is symbolic of anything. I think its purely a stylistic thing. Now it may be that Stellar, Neo, and Aeul will end up dead, but they might not. Now with Auel, anything could happen with hiim and not nearly enough has happened to make predictions. Neo however is Destiny's resident masked man and therefore probably will not die until the very end, if he dies at all. There will clearly be tension between him and Murrue, and rivalry between him and Rey. That being the case, I don't see how he could be killed off within the next 13 episodes. As for Stellar, Kamille/Four analogies notwithstanding a similar personality does not guarantee a similar fate. Destiny so far has pretty much been paving its own road, so I think all bets are off in terms of parallels to past Gundam sagas, such as Gundam Seed borrowing more than a few pages from Mobile Suit Gundam. Furthermore, imagery in the OP's appears to point against the possibility of Stellar's death, in my opinion. That there will be a Shin/Stellar relationship is a given, but it is significant that the second OP shows them together twice and both OP's have them together with the embrace in space in addition to the Kira/Lacus pairing that's been there since the first OP of Gundam SEED. The major relationships of Gundam Seed (Kira/Lacus, Athrun/Cagalli) were not tragic, so if the Shin/Stellar relationship follows the pattern it won't be either. Of course, it might not. And maybe I trying to read between the lines too much. Also, one could make the good point that Flay died tragically, and Stellar too might inherit some of that bad luck inherent to Gundam pilot girlfriends. But it is worth noting that Kira and Flay were never paired together as a couple in any OP, whereas he was with Lacus and Shin has been with Stellar.

Moving on to the new OP, the new footage was as informative as it was cool. Here's my observations on that.

1. The following parings are made:

-Kira/Lacus: No-brainer. They're obviously together and are going to stay that way.

-Athrun/Cagalli: Same as Kira and Lacus, wussy boy Yuna notwithstanding. Just wait, Cagalli's going to wear Athrun's ring again.

-Rey/Neo: Only natural. The first OP implies an antagonistic relationship between the two similar to the Mu La Fraga/Rau Le Creuset rivalry.

-Lunamaria/Meyrin: Its a natural pairing since they are sisters, but I find it curious that they have their backs to each other. It makes me wonder whether the two are heading for trouble. On the other hand Lunamaria is looking back at Meyrin and Meyrin does have her head turned, so maybe they are still facing each other. Even if not, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. It could be that they put Lunamaria in the forefront because she's presumably more important to the story than her sister.

-Murrue/Andy: They were grouped in OP 1 as well. It makes sense as they are basically the head officers on the Archangel now, but something tells me that there's a little something between them as well. They appear to be extremely comfortable and candid around each other, and their little coffe conversation a few episodes back piques curiosity. My theory is that there is mutual respect and some affection between them, although they do not share a relationship at all like the one Murrue had with Mu. I do think they are at a point where they care about each other quite a bit and greatly value each other's company. I don't see why not; Murrue and Andy have plenty in common. They were commanders in the war and fought together at the end of SEED, and more importantly they both experienced loss during the war.

-Talia/Glibert: Not much to explain here. Chain of command notwithstanding, their not-so-subtle bed scene in an early episode implies that there's something more between them. Personally though, I won't hold my breath waiting for the show to explore it. There's much more important things to do.

-Yzak/Dearka: I was very relived to see them present here. We have definitely not seen the last of them, which can only be a good thing. Here's hoping for future collaboration between the Minerva crew and the Joule team. Hell folks, we may yet get our Shiho cameo.

-Shin/Stellar: We saw this coming ten miles away. Hopefully the outcome won't be as obvious.


2. As I speculated awhile ago, Cagalli will once again assume the role of Gundam pilot. Shortly after the standard "stamp logo on top of flagship Gundam" bit, she's in a flight suit in front of the Strike Rouge right next to Kira in front of the Freedom. Its obvious what's going to happen. That shot with her and the Strike Rouge IWSP from the first OP is still there, so hopefully its the IWSP version she's piloting. I welcome the change; Cagalli was at her best when taking action, and her taking on an active role as a pilot is far preferable to seeing her chastised and marginalized by a bunch of manipulative, condescending pricks in suits episode after episode. Kick ass, girl. Go forth and kick ass.

3. Andy gets a mobile suit--and there was much rejoicing!

4. That fiery scene with Athrun and the ladies was supremely cool before, but replacing Justice with Savior in the background made it even better.

5. Mixed feelings on this new Heinz character. If he's there just so T.M. Revoltution can feel cool, he will suck and I hope he either gets written out or gets killed faster than the expendable crewman in a Star Trek episode. If he's contributing to the plot in some way, that's something different. At any rate, commercalization notwithstanding the Gouf Ignited is awesome.

6. New poses. Oddly enough, I love the shot of Stellar with the knife. It captures both her innocence and the contrasting fact that she's been trained and programmed to be a killer. Rey's is by far the best improvement. Athrun's pose is just copied from one of the old Gundam SEED OP's, but it suits him so well I can't bring myself to mind very much.

7. The implied new Gundam has me very confused. You'd think it would be the Destiny Gundam we all think is going to show up, but I keep looking over and over and I swear it looks very similar to the Freedom. Maybe even identical. Of course, it doesn't help that they deliberatley shroud it in black so you can't tell a damn thing.

8. Blargh...Murrue and Neo, pointing guns at each other. Murrue is shocked. Just like that, the Neo=Mu argument becomes significantly stronger. I very much hope it is not the case. It doesn't make sense to me, and even if the plot hole were explained away I don't like the idea of Mu, who was THE MAN in Gundam SEED, reduced to the role of nasty villian. Until the contrary is proven beyond a doubt, I'll continue to believe that Neo is some kiind of freak clone or someone who looks remarkably like Mu but is not, thus sparking a Flay complex in Murrue (just as Flay wnated to believe Rau was her father, so too Murrue would want to believe Neo was Mu...)

9. Lacus is in the right chair of the Archangel. If I'm remembering right there's where Mirallia used to sit, which means Lacus would be ending up with Mirallia's old job as CIC officer.

10. Speaking of Mirallia, there she is in the opening again. We need a cameo of her. Nah, we need several. Come on Fukuda, if you can cameo the old mechanic guy you can get her some airtime.

11. Minerva's second in command, Arthur, is nowhere to be seen in the OP. Not only is he dumb as a post, he's apparently quite unimportant and useless.

Memo to Fukuda: Cut out the middle man, kill off this loser, and make Athrun or Rey the first mate. But now, I merely dream.

[NickWhiz1]

Is that avatar made from that pic I provided, Nick?

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...Hey, what's that over there?

*runs*

[Keiichi]

Also, one could make the good point that Flay died tragically, and Stellar too might inherit some of that bad luck inherent to Gundam pilot girlfriends. But it is worth noting that Kira and Flay were never paired together as a couple in any OP, whereas he was with Lacus and Shin has been with Stellar.
Technically they were paired togeather in the 4th opening with Flay behind kira and Cagalli behind athrun.



8. Blargh...Murrue and Neo, pointing guns at each other. Murrue is shocked. Just like that, the Neo=Mu argument becomes significantly stronger. I very much hope it is not the case. It doesn't make sense to me, and even if the plot hole were explained away I don't like the idea of Mu, who was THE MAN in Gundam SEED, reduced to the role of nasty villian. Until the contrary is proven beyond a doubt, I'll continue to believe that Neo is some kiind of freak clone or someone who looks remarkably like Mu but is not, thus sparking a Flay complex in Murrue.

Well he did say he was a man that could make the impossible possible just before he "died". ;)

[GWOtaku]

posted by Monkey D. Luffy:

Technically they were paired togeather in the 4th opening with Flay behind kira and Cagalli behind Athrun.
Never embracing though, or anything like that. Kira was clearly paired up with Lacus in every OP. In the second he was with Cagalli with Flay looking on from a distance, and in the third she's basically chasing after him, which is indicative of separation. I think Flay was very important to Kira, but the role of Gundam pilot girlfriend fits Lacus much better.

Although, Stellar and Flay are alike in that they're both mentally unstable. :shrug: Oi.


Well he did say he was a man that could make the impossible possible just before he "died". ;)
LOL...well I'll say this, if Neo turns out to be Mu that'd be the best possible opening line in a confrontation between him and Murrue. "I told you I could make the impossible possible." *cue insane laughter* It'd be to Murrue what "I am your father" did to Luke Skywalker when confronting Darth Vader.... :D

[Riza Hawkeye]

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...Hey, what's that over there?

*runs* It's no problem, I can give you a better quality resize too. Here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/Yunaresize.jpg) If he wasn't shaking it would be better ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/ablums/v240/RizaHawkeye/Yunaresize.jpg

[Keiichi]

Never embracing though, or anything like that. Kira was clearly paired up with Lacus in every OP. In the second he was with Cagalli with Flay looking on from a distance, and in the third she's basically chasing after him, which is indicative of separation. I think Flay was very important to Kira, but the role of Gundam pilot girlfriend fits Lacus much better.
Kinda disagree with you here. Though through all the openings of Seed they showed Lacus and Kira togeather they were never a couple. When ever Lacus tried to have a moment with him all kira could think about was Flay. Flay fit the role of a gundam pilot girlfeind perfecty. Like most couples they'd start out rocky but when things finally started to smooth out disaster would always strike.


Although, Stellar and Flay are alike in that they're both mentally unstable. Oi.
Hahaha just about all the girls in seed are mentally unstable.



LOL...well I'll say this, if Neo turns out to be Mu that'd be the best possible opening line in a confrontation between him and Murrue. "I told you I could make the impossible possible." *cue insane laughter* It'd be to Murrue what "No Luke, I am your father" did to Luke Skywalker when confronting Darth Vader....
Yeah that be awsome.

[NickWhiz1]

Thanks, but I think the one I have now is sufficient. I plan on replacing it soon, eventually. I'll have about a million different things to replace it with when SEED Ep. 38 airs on Friday ;)

[Riza Hawkeye]

Thanks, but I think the one I have now is sufficient. I plan on replacing it soon, eventually. I'll have about a million different things to replace it with when SEED Ep. 38 airs on Friday ;) I understand. I believe episode 38 would be when Shinn's family's gets killed; that is if it were actually shown in SEED.

[NickWhiz1]

Actually, I completely forgot that when making that statement. OK, now there's a few more things I can think of...:evil:

(Argh, I'm going to have a hard time deciding between Azrael, Shani, Orga, Clotho, Calamity, Forbidden, Raider, Freedom, Justice, Mu in Strike, the animated Tamaki Nami again, the Orb Sunrise Girl, Asagi, Juri, Mayura, the M1 Astray, dead Asukas, etc. etc. etc. Too many possibilities >.< Damn 38 for being so plot-critical!)

[HellCat]

I missed her the first time I watched, but caught her the after another viewing of it. She's only shown for about a second, which is less than in the first OP but since she is in the new OP I'm thinking she'll get more screen time than that little cameo a few episodes back.
Now ya see, that's the kind of thing that leaps out to the likes of me. I wonder why she gave up as cosplaying as Domon Kasshu/ Lowe Guele?

As for who Kira's heart belongs to- in some ways I think it shows a conflict with who the director is being made to aimed the show at. Bandai are probably the ones most insistent that he be placed with the squeeky clean pop singer who sells Haro toys to kids, whilst Fukuda seems content to give him a whole Amuro-like vibe by implying that any woman after Flay for Kira isn't going to fill a certain part of his heart.

[Duke]

7. The implied new Gundam has me very confused. You'd think it would be the Destiny Gundam we all think is going to show up, but I keep looking over and over and I swear it looks very similar to the Freedom. Maybe even identical. Of course, it doesn't help that they deliberatley shroud it in black so you can't tell a damn thing.

It may be a way for ZAFT to counteract Freedom, since they now know it still exists. My theory: ZAFT contracted Freedom's designers after Kira swiped it in order to make a new Gundam that will work against it. After SEED ends, ZAFT assumes Freedom's kaput, and stops production. After all, they obviously know about Kira thanks to his connections to Lacus, Athrun, and Cagalli. They are surprised to see Freedom repaired after the failed assassination attempt, and re-start production of Destiny Gundam.


9. Lacus is in the right chair of the Archangel. If I'm remembering right there's where Mirallia used to sit, which means Lacus would be ending up with Mirallia's old job as CIC officer.

Actually, that's where Kuzzey sat in SEED. I find it really funny that that is Lacus' job on the Archangel: To say the enemy's coming. Since they're not with the EA, they won't keep not hearing from Alaska.

Besides, Mir's chair is for her and her alone.

[FlyByNite77]

Actually, that's where Kuzzey sat in SEED. I find it really funny that that is Lacus' job on the Archangel: To say the enemy's coming. Since they're not with the EA, they won't keep not hearing from Alaska.

Besides, Mir's chair is for her and her alone.Well Mir moved to that seat after Kuzzey left in the last 11 or 12 episodes whatever it is that's where Mir sits.

Episode 35(Kuzzey still onboard) (http://img72.exs.cx/img72/6615/231st.jpg)

Episode 43(well after Kuzzey left) (http://img72.exs.cx/img72/7289/43201513au.jpg)

I'd guess they restructured where people sat because all of sudden we then see Sai and Mir behind the Captain for the end of the series.

[HellCat]

10. Speaking of Mirallia, there she is in the opening again. We need a cameo of her. Nah, we need several. Come on Fukuda, if you can cameo the old mechanic guy you can get her some airtime.
Well, she has had that brief cameo taking photos of dolphins. The fact that she appears in the new opening (I've also heard her VA did an in-character teaser before the show started) implies one of two things to me- 1) She's joining back up with the Archangel or 2) She's going to be an ocassional cameo to show the destruction the war is causing.
For 1), I think it would be easy to get Miriallia and Sai back. Yuuna, fuming over his public humiliation, decides to get even by selling out the rest of the Archangel rebels to the Alliance. Sai and Miriallia have to go on the run and find the ship is the only 'safe' place for them.

[NickWhiz1]

Well, Sai is pretty much just waiting to get thrown back into the story, as his VA confirmed, well, you know, that Sai's coming back =/

How much of a role did Kai play in Zeta? If someone can answer that question, that's probably how much of a role Miriallia will play.

[Duke]

For 1), I think it would be easy to get Miriallia and Sai back. Yuuna, fuming over his public humiliation, decides to get even by selling out the rest of the Archangel rebels to the Alliance. Sai and Miriallia have to go on the run and find the ship is the only 'safe' place for them.I'm curious to see what Kuzzey will do. If he even bothers to show himself at all.

EDIT: Also, on Episode 14, was that an instrumental version of "Find the Way" I heard, or am I...hearing things?

[HellCat]

I'm curious to see what Kuzzey will do. If he even bothers to show himself at all.
*has fingers crossed Junius-7 took him out* :D

I don't think Fukuda will bring Kuzzey back. His character lost any use after about the halfway point of SEED.

[Duke]

I don't think Fukuda will bring Kuzzey back. His character lost any use after about the halfway point of SEED.
But with Dearka not showing up much, we need a whipping boy!

[Animeforever'04]

btw when does flay die??:shrug:

[Keiichi]

btw when does flay die??
She dies in the final ep of Seed. Poor girl.

[InfinityBlade]

Personally, I think that killing Stellar at any point would be one of the most outright stupid things to do.

Why?

Because Kira, the lead character of SEED, already has one dead girlfriend who was mentally unstable.

We DON'T need to repeat that plot point on SEED Destiny's lead character.

[God Of Death]

Episode 14 was terrific, loved how Kira crashed the wedding with "Freedom". :)

Nice new OP and ED, especially the new footage is great although I think the music still needs to grow on me...

Judging by the new images in the OP and ED and what people have posted here regarding them, I also speculate the following:

- Andy's new MS looks cool, it seems like it's the same model as the new Orb MS (of which Kira brought two down by clipping their wings) - that can transform into a Mobile Armor.

- I do think it seems Lunamaria and Meryin will drift away from each other and although they always pair Shin and Stellar in the OP's, I did notice the new ED has Meryin right next/under Shin, both opposite to Lunamaria. Could it be that Meryin also plays a significant role in Shin's life? (That she becomes a source of support or a new romantic interest if something tragic would happen between Shin and Stellar or to Stellar?) Could be...

- The darkened shot of that new Gundam that looks very much alike Freedom (The Gundam Destiny maybe?), appearing on the right side and Freedom appearing on the left side, set against a background with a Gundam head/torso. - Since it's a rather vague image, I could be wrong, but maybe Freedom and Destiny aren't facing/fighting each other but are both facing that Gundam in the background. A possible hint that Kira and Shin may unite against a common foe?
It could be possible, with Shin a part of ZAFT, Kira with the independent Archangel and Athrun now with Faith (which isn't 100% ZAFT), who knows in the end Shin and Kira may face Athrun together ... or all 3 could end up facing each other in combat over different beliefs/events, could be very dramatic.
But that's just a hypothesis.

There may be more potential in "Destiny" compared to "Seed" to have characters that once shared the same alleagiance/beliefs to drift apart and finally oppose each other.
With Athrun going back to ZAFT but still somewhat following his own path and now being assigned to/commanding Faith and the Minerva being assigned to Faith, it could be that ultimately not everyone on board Minerva will agree with his ideals for Faith and rejoin ZAFT's regular ranks. - Hence Faith could oppose ZAFT somewhere along the way.
Since Cagalli may join the independent Archangel, she and Kira may end up facing Athrun as well as ZAFT and/or the EA.
Who knows what Gibril is up to with the EA and the Gardi Rui/Neo and the stolen Gundams. That group may splinter into factions as well, Neo pursuing his own agenda or Sting, Auel and Stellar each going their own way...

Ah, the future episodes could prove very interesting...

Also, the OP and ED again seem to confirm Kira and Lacus as 'the' couple of "Seed" & " Seed Destiny" but ... is Kira ever going to say he loves her or kiss her? You can do it Kira!
(Else they risk to be protrayed a bit too much like some idyllic, unrealistic couple...)

[FlyByNite77]

*has fingers crossed Junius-7 took him out* :D

I don't think Fukuda will bring Kuzzey back. His character lost any use after about the halfway point of SEED.
Fukada should have shown Kuzzey fleeing Orb in the flashbacks to Shinn's family and we see Kuzzey get killed then we could all laugh and say "dumbass. Shoulda stayed on the Archangel" :p

[Duke]

Personally, I think that killing Stellar at any point would be one of the most outright stupid things to do.

Why?

Because Kira, the lead character of SEED, already has one dead girlfriend who was mentally unstable.

We DON'T need to repeat that plot point on SEED Destiny's lead character.But they're twins! It'll be cute! When you mention their dead girlfriends, one will fall down and cry for about 3 hours, and the other will snap and go beserk! It'd be fun! :anime: :D


- I do think it seems Lunamaria and Meryin will drift away from each other and although they always pair Shin and Stellar in the OP's, I did notice the new ED has Meryin right next/under Shin, both opposite to Lunamaria. Could it be that Meryin also plays a significant role in Shin's life? (That she becomes a source of support or a new romantic interest if something tragic would happen between Shin and Stellar or to Stellar?) Could be...
It could be that Shinn sees Mayu in Meryin and they become an non-biological brother/sister duo.

[NickWhiz1]

Well, with the popular rumor that Lunamaria and Meyrin's relationship is going to deteriorate, Meyrin may turn to Shinn as a brother figure. (Yes, there's always Vino and Youlan, but that wouldn't be any fun :p )

[Van Fleihight]

I haven't seen the Opening 2 yet but I have the full song so I know what its like. I've only seen Phase 1-9 and loving it so far. i must say Jibril looks gay O_O Kira is so passive now. He barely says anything at all. The "new" Athrun pose is just classic lol. I wanna see Yuna scared to death as you people say :D He is starting to annoy me.. Orphans talk too much. Haro speaks english :eek:O_O:eek: So will Heinz(i think thats the new guy's name) actually be a useful character or what? If not I will start saying he owns the ketchup company for no apparent reason :sweat:

[Juu-kuchi]

Gu after the nota.

http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/flag/jpf.jpg DESTINY hobby mag news
New MS:
Babi (http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/babi.jpg) - Transforming ZAFT MS.

New characters:
Coniel Almeta (http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/conil.jpg) - A young girl with the anti-Alliance resistance in Eurasia's Western Galnahan. 14-years-old. Under her guidance, the Minerva strikes an Alliance stronghold.

DESTINY MSV:
Proto Chaos (http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/protochaos.jpg) Okay, more kids. Hopefully she only stays on a handful of episodes.

Speculation: However... 14 year old girl... Anti-Alliance Sentiment... + Shin Asuka. Shin probably sees her as a kindred spirit and as a younger sister-figure of sorts. She probably dies horribly and Shin scarred once again for failing to protect her. She also looks rather cute in that young, rebellious kind of way.

She's the one on the lower right. *added picture*

[FlyByNite77]

She sounds like Cagalli's role in the desert episodes of Seed. If she has a younger friend who's part of the resistance we can write him off as soon as he appears :D

[Duke]

I think she'll be a bridge to Shinn finding a sisterly-connection with Merylin.

[rubberchicken]

This episode was largely a waste of space. *sigh* There were only about three or four minutes of footage that actually mattered, with the rest devoted either to flashbacks or discussion of flashbacks.

[HellCat]

The Babi is kinda Zeta-era like, as well as resembling Justice, Raider and Calamity. ZAFT sure is pumping new designs out quickly.

[Van Fleihight]

That Babi is like the third Gundam with a beam cannon located on the chest.(Calamity,Abyss,Babi) ZAFT must adore that thing O_o

[HellCat]

That Babi is like the third Gundam with a beam cannon located on the chest.(Calamity,Abyss,Babi) ZAFT must adore that thing O_o
Well, firstly it isn't a Gundam. Secondly, ZAFT didn't make the Calamity. The Earth forces did.

[rubberchicken]

HC, what's your sig from? Or did you make it up?

[HellCat]

HC, what's your sig from? Or did you make it up?
It's from something me and some friends do sometimes on AIM for a joke- taking anime characters and mixing them in with comedy quotes ;). For my sig, the original quote is from Futurama when Fry and Bender mutiny and replace Leela with Zap.

[rubberchicken]

It's from something me and some friends do sometimes on AIM for a joke- taking anime characters and mixing them in with comedy quotes ;). For my sig, the original quote is from Futurama when Fry and Bender mutiny and replace Leela with Zap.

You know, it's not really all that farfetched for a ZZ scene... :P

[InfinityBlade]

Episode 15!

The dog fight between Saviour and the two Murasame at the beginning was fairly cool. Poor, clueless Athrun. What took him so long to get there? :p Kira didn't seem to have any problems back when he got Freedom for the first time. Maybe Athrun stopped to sight-see again. ;)

Beyond that, it wasn't an action-heavy episode, but I didn't expect it to be.

Shinn's actually in the show again!

Then Saviour comes to Carpentaria as well. :p

The bit with Luna, Shinn, and Meyrin and saluting Athrun was hilarious.

Speaking of the two sisters, I can't help but feel like we're starting to see a small, tiny bit of that apparent "tension" that's supposed to occur. Though I was just watching it in just Japanese, Luna seemed almost annoyed when they were shopping, and she winds up cutting her little sister off so that she can escort Athrun out of the hanger.

And it's getting more and more obvious that Lunamaria's actions towards Athrun seem to be just a tad more than simple hero worship.

Oh, and Rey can play the piano.

I guess if he dies, we have a running gag. :p

That all said...

DAMN YOU SUNRISE AND YOUR DESTINY EDITED. ;_; We just had a week without a new episode at the beginning of the month, and now at the end, we're just gonna get a big, fat recap episode next week. Joy.

[GWOtaku]

Meh, a recap episode next week eh? I'd rather they took two in the middle like GW did, or something. Well all things considered its not a bad place to do a recap, I just hope we don't get an overdose of them like we did in Seed--two of them in the twenties was seriously overdoing it, having already had one before.

Maybe we'll be insanely fortunate and it'll be narrated by Gilbert Durandal, much like Treize Kushrenada had a recap episode all to himself in Gundam Wing. That'd be nice....

[InfinityBlade]

Meh, a recap episode next week eh? I'd rather they took two in the middle like GW did, or something. Well all things considered its not a bad place to do a recap, I just hope we don't get an overdose of them like we did in Seed--two of them in the twenties was seriously overdoing it, having already had one before.
Well, on the bright side, you get the impression this is being played off as a "special." So, maybe we'll be lucky and any GSD Edited episodes won't count towards the final number.


Maybe we'll be insanely fortunate and it'll be narrated by Gilbert Durandal, much like Treize Kushrenada had a recap episode all to himself in Gundam Wing. That'd be nice....
Oooh. An episode full just full of Ikeda talking would make it watchable, at least. :D Kind of like how SEED's first recap is fun to watch just for Rau's dialogue.

So long as it's not TM Revolution again.

[InfinityBlade]

Oh! And I forgot to mention, also in this episode...

The Cyber Newty- Pardon. Auel and Stellar are back, on an EA battleship in the ocean. Neo's there too on the bridge, so one assumes Sting's somewhere around as well.

Strangely, despite his actions towards her way back in Episode 2, Auel came across as... well. Incredibly protective of her at the end of this episode. When Stellar doesn't move for a couple of soldiers as she's sitting on the edge of the ship, one of them tries to pick her up... Auel sees this, does a leap over the second guy, grabs the guy trying to move Stellar around the neck and puts a gun to his head.

Now, it's possible Auel just gets off on seeing people squirm, but I dunno... I wonder if I may have misjudged his character.

(EDIT- Although, rewatching the scene, he could have just as easily done it just for the hell of it, given how he smirks. Meh. Need to wait to see this scene translated, I guess.)

As well, Stellar seems to brighten quite a bit at Auel's mention of Neo's name.

Whether or not Neo is Mu or a clone, or whatever, I'm suddenly reminded that Mu WAS at times protective of the younger soldiers aboard the Archangel. Mainly Kira, of course. But I can't help but wonder if some of that may sort of carry over to Neo, and I really can't help but wonder what exactly he IS to all of them...

[Juu-kuchi]

Finally we see the main cast back into action and some actual character development for most of them. Sure Shin was not in the spotlight in this episode, but at least the Minerva crew is the main focus as they should be. Plus, Neo is back.



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[HellCat]

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Authorities looking into the mass nose bleed epidemic striking male Toon Zone members believe they may today have a lead..

[Riza Hawkeye]

A good episode, it would have been more understandable if I knew more Japanese. Finally the new cast gets some screen time and we even got to see the new druggie trio.

Rey plays a piano!? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/ReyPiano.jpg)
Where does a member of FAITH rank? Everyone saluted him (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/Salute.jpg), expect Shinn when they learned he was a member of FAITH.
Meryin's reaction (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/ShinnSalute.jpg) to Shinn passing off his stuff to salute Athrun.
Luna seems to like Athrun, she talked over her sister when she was going to offer to bring him to the Captian; her reaction (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/MeryinReact.jpg).
Athrun reacts (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/AthrunReact1.jpg) to hearing of Cagalli's 'marriage'
Athrun's reaction (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/AthrunReact2.jpg) to hear about Freedom.
Auel seems to enjoy causing fear, here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/AuelwithGun.jpg).
A new member of FAITH, before (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/BeforeFaith.jpg) and after (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/NewmemberofFaith.jpg)

[InfinityBlade]

I just think Rey better hope that Strike Rouge doesn't have the Sword Striker pack.

:p

[NickWhiz1]

I just think Rey better hope that Strike Rouge doesn't have the Sword Striker pack.

:p
Cagalli =/= melee, so I don't think Rey has to worry about a giant anti-ship sword.

[FlyByNite77]

Remember the Tamaki Nami video on the screen in Orb in Seed? Well from episode 15...

http://img194.exs.cx/img194/1426/bscap0957zc.jpg

lol

Oh yea and the Babi mobile suit makes its first appearance
Shinn looking at a Babi MS (http://img177.exs.cx/img177/7456/bscap0967vg.jpg)

[Keiichi]

A much better episode than the last one. Athrun is certainly a pimp having Cagalli, Mia (fake lacus) Luna and now Meryin being attracted to him. Though in Meryin's case it seems to be more about having a higher rank and power. She certainly reminds me of Flay not only in looks but also her shopping habits. Things are about to heat up again with Neo and his druggies back in the picture its a shame they're going to do a clip show this week.

[Lord Dalek]

Geez, they're making this into a freakin harum show.

[Juu-kuchi]

Geez, they're making this into a freakin harum show. I don't mind as long as there are more shots of Lunamaria like the one I posted. ^_^

[HellCat]

...So that's what that 'Shin Tenchi Muyo' is!

:p

[Kaus]

^_^ I am finally able to join the discussion after two months of reading you guys speculating, which has been fun, you guys are a great source of info.

I've never been this excited about a Gundam series since Turn-A Gundam.



Also, the OP and ED again seem to confirm Kira and Lacus as 'the' couple of "Seed" & " Seed Destiny" but ... is Kira ever going to say he loves her or kiss her? You can do it Kira!
(Else they risk to be protrayed a bit too much like some idyllic, unrealistic couple...)The second opening was really upbeat, clicked the link and spent like 30 minutes replaying it. *a fool for cool openings*

I agree with Yuuna being the only one surviving, afterall, Fukuda seems to enjoy toying with the Gundam series quite a bit.

I laughed so hard when Flay died. It was awesome.

Episode 15 was alright, it was entertaining to say the least.

*hopes Lunamaria and Athrun relationship happens*

What makes me wonder about Stellar and Shin is that in the second opening Mayu's cell phone is in the scene? Maybe the sister relationship is between those two or some freaky "I love you but I see you as my sister at the same time." :sweat:


I don't mind as long as there are more shots of Lunamaria like the one I posted. ^_^...I wouldnt...find that...unsatisfactory...?

>.>
<.<

[Keiichi]

Somthing cute (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/KamenRider/1102429532004.jpg) for my fellow Luna fans boys. ;)

[Duke]

Somthing cute (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/KamenRider/1102429532004.jpg) for my fellow Luna fans boys. ;)
Hah! That friggin rocks!

[Michael]

good epsiode. Liked seeing Shinn and others again.

TO bad next week is a clip epsiode :(

[Ryoutarou]

Somthing cute (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/KamenRider/1102429532004.jpg) for my fellow Luna fans boys. ;) Gold bless you:p

Well I guess with next week being a clip show I can rewatch episode 7 in my free time. But I've got a question, if it doesn't actually count towards the final episode count, why not just show a new episode along with it?

[InfinityBlade]

Well I guess with next week being a clip show I can rewatch episode 7 in my free time. But I've got a question, if it doesn't actually count towards the final episode count, why not just show a new episode along with it?
So that they stretch out the show - and the ratings, and thus the money - even longer. :p

Plus, the network DOES have other shows airing...

[Duke]

Plus, the network DOES have other shows airing...
NEVER! They must show Gundam all day on Saturdays in Japan! This I command!

[Ryoutarou]

NEVER! They must show Gundam all day on Saturdays in Japan! This I command!Oh yes...then we wouldn't get any of the other...wonderful...Japanese dramas.:p

[HellCat]

Here's one that should probably please all you crazy Lunamaria fans-

http://www.boomspeed.com/hellcat/006.jpg

[Juu-kuchi]

Yay... Just... superyay.

[Will Sturnick]

It's nice to see the focus back on the Minerva crew. I seems that Athrun is going to be the force that splits Lunamaria & Meylin apart. Since they both seem to be lusting after him.

Talia didn't seemed to feel guilty about getting promoted into "Faith." Perhaps she feels her sexual relations with Dullindal are causing her to get special treatment. Looks like we're in for another Desert arc. I hope that this Coniel girl doesn't turn out to be a carbon copy of Cagalli.

So, Neo & the Pod-Druggies are on Earth now. Stellar & Shinn's reunion (since they technically met in Episode 1) can't be far off. Of the Pod-Druggies, Auel is my favorite. Stellar bugs me (she's too strange) & Sting seems to just be there.

As for ~Edited~, I hope that they give us some new/interesting information. Kinda like how SEED's first clip show gave us background information on the Coordinators & George Glen.

[rubberchicken]

A big step back up in quality after the preceding flashback-fest. No action in this episode, but it felt like it was going places, which is always good. And no long-winded philosophical crap! Yay!

Just some thoughts...

As the episode starts, Cagalli gets another one of her patented "break down crying in front of everybody while Kira/Athrun leads me by the hand" scenes. This is really getting annoying. We need to chip in and buy the girl a new backbone, or something.

Rey plays the piano. The tree has hidden depths.

INSERT: For about twenty seconds after Athrun hears "oh, by the way, Cagalli's marrying that wormy guy you hate so much" I was afraid that they were planning to embark on another SEED soap opera/love triangle subplot. Imagine my relief when he learns about the "abduction"...

Lunamaria allegedly puts the moves on Athrun... it strikes me more as hero worship than any kind of lovestruck adoration, to be honest. There hasn't really been a purely optimistic character like her in the series thus far - a good entry to the cast, although how somebody with that attitude ends up in the armed forces is beyond me. Maybe Nichol, but... nah. Of course it's not going to last, though.

Meyrin doesn't seem particularly nasty thus far... nor does she seem to have any antagonism towards her sister. Actually, she seems pretty normal - although her reaction to finding out just how much power Athrun has is a bit suspect.

Gilbert's motives are as murky as ever, and Talia's induction into FAITH is a foreshadowing of what's to come. Almost certainly ZAFT is going to make some kind of move that Talia won't like. Gilbert must have a high degree of trust/affection for her to give her the authority to disobey the government's commands. I can't see Durandal as being a bad guy (hell, he had ZAFT foaming at the mouth for the blood of the Naturals and chose to calm them rather than turning them loose - with the N-Stampeder on their side, it's not like the EA troops could've done anything to them if they decided to go on another genocidal rampage FOR GREAT JUSTICE). The worst I'm expecting of him is a Treize Kushrenada-like character - "I'm going to have to do some bad things in order to further the universal greater good, and I'm counting on you two to play the part of the heroes and clean the mess up for me."

I hope Stellar dies. I don't know why, I just do. And for some reason I keep seeing images of her and Shinn and thinking "What? Kira and Cagalli are together again?!?" Auel... well, I find him sort of annoying, although his relationship with Stellar is intriguing. He was happy to scare her half to death in the colony battle at the beginning, but now he seems almost affectionate towards her. Sting, of course, has had no development thus far. Good to see MwuTwo - er, Neo - back in action as well... these next episodes should be very exciting.

Well, very exciting once we get the useless recap out of the way - because NONE of us are capable of remembering what happened not that long ago in the series. :rolleyes:

[Duke]

Lunamaria allegedly puts the moves on Athrun... it strikes me more as hero worship than any kind of lovestruck adoration, to be honest. There hasn't really been a purely optimistic character like her in the series thus far - a good entry to the cast, although how somebody with that attitude ends up in the armed forces is beyond me. Maybe Nichol, but... nah. Of course it's not going to last, though.
She hasn't had any chance, really, to shine. I mean, in her debut fight, her Zaku breaks down! Also, while she may not be lovestruck, I somehow doubt she'd resist too much if Athrun suddenly started to seduce her.


Meyrin doesn't seem particularly nasty thus far... nor does she seem to have any antagonism towards her sister. Actually, she seems pretty normal - although her reaction to finding out just how much power Athrun has is a bit suspect.
Yea, Meyrin just seems very worried more than anything, though the last episode she may be feeling that she is drifting apart from her sister (I'm going to assume that the anime cliché of the sisters being really close together comes into play here) and is unsure of what exactly to do.

[rubberchicken]

She hasn't had any chance, really, to shine. I mean, in her debut fight, her Zaku breaks down! Also, while she may not be lovestruck, I somehow doubt she'd resist too much if Athrun suddenly started to seduce her.


Surely you jest. We're talking about Athrun, the man with the eloquence and charisma of a rock... :p

[Duke]

Surely you jest. We're talking about Athrun, the man with the eloquence and charisma of a rock... :p
I didn't say he was GOOD at seducing. More than likely he'd try to kiss her, but he'd be too nervous to go all the way. Lunamaria would get the hint and jump into his arms.

[rubberchicken]

Okay, NOW we're reaching. ;)

[NickWhiz1]

I wonder how Cagalli would take the news if she found out Athrun and Luna were hooking up. With her current incarnation, she'd probably go crying to Kira again :shrug:

Episode 16 better be extra super-duper special if we have to sit through a clip show to get to it >_> Of course, they seem to be promising us Minerva vs. EA trio action. We haven't had a decent battle since Episode 12 (it's the Desert Arc all over again >.<), so it'll be nice to see the ZGMF models bash each others' faces in some more :D

[rubberchicken]

I just had a disturbing premonition... If Talia's going to be defying ZAFT orders, does that make Arthur into Destiny's version of Natarle?

He's just not sexy enough...

[Juu-kuchi]

I've been reading some thoughts about Destiny elsewhere and some of the complaints is that there is not really any focus on the Minerva crew and that the Archangel crew is given equal spotlight, and a series where it's supposed to be about new characters is essentially SEED 2 plus new characters.

What do you think is the reason why the Archangel and it's crew is brought back into focus, and those who are supposed to be the main characters are pushed to the sidelines most of the time, and it's main protagonist never given any development?

[Pepperidge]

I don't care so much about the Archangel getting some screentime. I'm just sick of Athrun.

[InfinityBlade]

I've been reading some thoughts about Destiny elsewhere and some of the complaints is that there is not really any focus on the Minerva crew and that the Archangel crew is given equal spotlight, and a series where it's supposed to be about new characters is essentially SEED 2 plus new characters.

What do you think is the reason why the Archangel and it's crew is brought back into focus, and those who are supposed to be the main characters are pushed to the sidelines most of the time, and it's main protagonist never given any development?
Keep in mind we're only a quarter into the show.

I don't think it's necessary to push all of the old characters to the sidelines like some people think. They're getting attention NOW because having them suddenly popping up in the storyline and just BEING THERE without any set-up or motivation simply wouldn't work. I think very much that this new mission the Minerva's going on will give us a lot more focus on its crew. Kira and the Archangel don't even really know where they're GOING next.

Plus, MUCH more so than Zeta was, SEED is a DIRECT SEQUEL to SEED. It carries on its storyline directly, and the characters in SEED were the storyline. Whereas Zeta felt more like a different series that took place in the same world with a few old characters from MSG. (Not to say it's not GOOD, of course.)

No one ever said it was going to be ONLY about new characters. And I don't think they put Rey, Lunamaria, and Shinn in such prominent roles in the OPs and EDs just for the hell of it. They'll get their time. I'm sure of it.

[Juu-kuchi]

Sorry about the skepticism. It's that Destiny has so much going for it and has an impressive first quarter of episodes, and I fear at some point everything will come into a screeching halt.

[GWOtaku]

Fortunately Juu, that probably won't happen. Every Gundam show picks up steam the farther along it gets, with the early part often being slow or at least less action packed than later episodes. Destiny is already way ahead of the curve in the sense that more has happened and the episodes have overall been much better than the opening episodes of Gundam Seed or MSG...and yes, I'd have to say Gundam Wing too.

And hey, skepticism never hurt anybody. :) Its often a good catalyst for discussion.