I miss the old Disney Channel *sigh*

[Lehteb]

I think I speak for most Disney fans when I say that the new Disney Channel really REALLY sucks! :sad:

It's kinda strnage feeling nostalgia for something when I'm not even in my twenties yet...

Back in the 1990's, when Disney at large was in good health, The Disney Channel used to be my TV domain (yes, Nickelodeon came second for me). They showed programs for almost everyone; sitcoms and movies for families, pre-school shows for the tykes, variety shows for teens, and classic cartoons for us old-school fans. Yeppers; they had it all back then. :cool:

The thing I miss most about the channel was the old logo. You know, the one that had Mickey's silohuette inside a horizontailly-grided rectangle. And those network ID's shown during commercials, which shows Mickey forming the logo in many creative ways. Change IS inevitable, but this was the one thing about The Disney Channel that NEVER EVER EVER EVER should've changed. :mad:

Nowadays, the Disney Channel is now idnetified by an ugly logo; nowhere near as versatile as the old 80's/90's logo. And all they really show anymore are stuff for babies and tweens, most of which is pure cookie-cutter junk. And they got into making "original" productions; all-new sitcoms and movies. :ack:

The worst part is that they rarely show anything made past 1990, including their own film library. They only show but a crumb of classic cartoons on the contemporary House of Mouse, otherwise, the show is merely present so no one can say that the Disney Channel DOESN'T show Mickey Mouse anymore. :(

I'm pretty sure that a lot of you guys are feeling the same way. The fact that the cartoons are being released on DVD is no excuse for way they still can't thrive on TV today. I mean, they already got started on releasing Kim Possible and That's So Raven on DVD... :shrug:

[Raven13]

uhhh well i never saw the old Disney channel but i do kinda like the new one!!!! Some of the shows on the new Disney channel a quite chessey but i do like Even Stevens and Phil of the future there pretty good shows anyway I never seen the old one before so i don't no what it i was like. But by your persepctive it sounded like a very good channel at the time!!:D

~ ~ Raven13 ~ ~

[Kury Wagner]

Do you remember the Mad Libs show? I loved that! I miss the old Disney Channel too. . .

[Ickis]

Do you remember the Mad Libs show? I loved that! I miss the old Disney Channel too. . .Mad libs,Off the wall,and the ink and paint club.I miss all of those.:sweat:

[loyalheart]

Back in the 1990's, when Disney at large was in good health, The Disney Channel used to be my TV domain (yes, Nickelodeon came second for me). They showed programs for almost everyone; sitcoms and movies for families, pre-school shows for the tykes, variety shows for teens, and classic cartoons for us old-school fans. Yeppers; they had it all back then.
yeah i liked the overall variety. I of course do like some current disney series, but most of them have or are ending, so i really dont watch anymore.
I have no problem that they can make original programs now, but it would be great if it was in more variety with classic disney mixed in...

i think the only thing positive now they are growing are potential stars. A few of the "co-stars" will flourish beyond the 'Disney Star' image britney and hilary gave.....Which is kinda why everyone can't stand the idea, they look at bri and hilary.... Infact, I'm suprised Disney isnt claiming Nicole Kidman as a former disney star, They did fund "Five Mile Creek" which had her in it lol

i miss "Dumbo's Circus" lol :)

[90'sCartoonMan]

uhhh well i never saw the old Disney channel but i do kinda like the new one!!!! Some of the shows on the new Disney channel a quite chessey but i do like Even Stevens and Phil of the future there pretty good shows anyway I never seen the old one before so i don't no what it i was like. But by your persepctive it sounded like a very good channel at the time!!:D

~ ~ Raven13 ~ ~
I think that was Lehteb's point. Evens Stevens and Phil of the Future, although quality shows, only appeal to a certain age group. The old Disney Channel had more of a variety.

I remember staying up at night and watching old cartoons and Zorro. That was on the Disney Channel, wasn't it? Wow, things have changed.

What really annoys me about Disney Channel now are their long commercials doing nothing but promoting Disney merchandise. And what's with all the music videos? Does every Disney Channel star have to come out with an album?

[Lehteb]

I remember staying up at night and watching old cartoons and Zorro. That was on the Disney Channel, wasn't it? Wow, things have changed.

What really annoys me about Disney Channel now are their long commercials doing nothing but promoting Disney merchandise. And what's with all the music videos? Does every Disney Channel star have to come out with an album?I think The Disney Channel today is a manifestation of the mediocrity that The Walt Disney Company has dwelled into.

In the past several years, the studio has given up on hand-drawn feature animation, the very thing that has identified the company for more than 80 years. And they've been relying more on remakes and sequels, both animated and live-action, to shape the revenue of their feature film department. It's like a fresh cuisine going stale. :sad:

The Walt Disney Company as a whole is abandoning its own history for the most part, and they're making lesser efforts to keep up with the company heritage and traditions. :eek:

[Geezil]

I think I speak for most Disney fans when I say that the new Disney Channel really REALLY sucks! :sad:
I stand with you, brother.

Hey Disney Channel: Bring back "Good Morning Mickey," "Donald Duck Presents," "Zorro," the original "MMC," and especially "Ink & Paint Club." Now. And thanks for listening, if you're still even capable of doing so.

[Wanted]

What do you mean new? The Disney Channel's current design is over two years old. You might, although, be able to call Toon Disney's current design new.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I miss a lot of things...

The old Disney Channel, the old Nickelodeon, the old Fox Kids, the old Kids WB! and above all else the old Cartoon Network.

Actually I just plain miss the television of my child hood and early teen years. Todays television sucks, especially daytime television.

Toon Disney sucks now too. Nothing from the old Disney Afternoon, but then again they never managed to air all the episodes of any of those shows anyway.

Disney used to have good original series and good movies. Kim Possible is pretty good but the rest of the newer stuff is total crap. Not that Zoog Disney was much better... but before that the Disney channel was pretty cool.

[Wolfcruiser]

Yeah, the new Disney Channel sucks compared to the old. They rely on a lot of original made-for-TV movies and live action shows (which I never liked). It's gotten very mediocre.

However, the positive, as someone mentioned, is the fact that the new DC has breeded lots of stars that have grown out of the Disney image. Hilary being one of them. And of course, Britney was the old school Disney representative from long ago.

[shaman_mya19]

I think I speak for most Disney fans when I say that the new Disney Channel really REALLY sucks! :sad:

It's kinda strnage feeling nostalgia for something when I'm not even in my twenties yet...

Back in the 1990's, when Disney at large was in good health, The Disney Channel used to be my TV domain (yes, Nickelodeon came second for me). They showed programs for almost everyone; sitcoms and movies for families, pre-school shows for the tykes, variety shows for teens, and classic cartoons for us old-school fans. Yeppers; they had it all back then. :cool:

The thing I miss most about the channel was the old logo. You know, the one that had Mickey's silohuette inside a horizontailly-grided rectangle. And those network ID's shown during commercials, which shows Mickey forming the logo in many creative ways. Change IS inevitable, but this was the one thing about The Disney Channel that NEVER EVER EVER EVER should've changed. :mad:

Nowadays, the Disney Channel is now idnetified by an ugly logo; nowhere near as versatile as the old 80's/90's logo. And all they really show anymore are stuff for babies and tweens, most of which is pure cookie-cutter junk. And they got into making "original" productions; all-new sitcoms and movies. :ack:

The worst part is that they rarely show anything made past 1990, including their own film library. They only show but a crumb of classic cartoons on the contemporary House of Mouse, otherwise, the show is merely present so no one can say that the Disney Channel DOESN'T show Mickey Mouse anymore. :(

I'm pretty sure that a lot of you guys are feeling the same way. The fact that the cartoons are being released on DVD is no excuse for way they still can't thrive on TV today. I mean, they already got started on releasing Kim Possible and That's So Raven on DVD... :shrug:

i miss all the old cartoon shows that are now on toon disney(i don't have toon disney)

[Tash]

i miss all the old cartoon shows that WERE on toon disney(i don't have toon disney)There, I made your post more accurate. They're almost all gone now.

[Captain C]

I TOTALLY understand. I miss "The New Mickey Mouse club" "DTV" and when they actually play Disney Cartoons! I also miss Mousercize, and Kids Incorperated. I mean, they don't even play those on ToonDisney, :mad: I used to spend so much time on the old DC, but all I only watch on the Disney Channel now is House of Mouse, and Kim Possible. I found an old comic book one time with an ad for the old Disney Channel with pictures of all the old shows, and I almost cried. Oh, does anyone else remember "Adventures in Wonderland?" I used to LOVE THAT SHOW!

[UmmYeahOk]

I remember and loved the old disney logo... ...I remember when the DC did not have commercial breaks. I remember when the MMC came to our mall to dance. ...Course, that was back when the Disney Store sold products with donald duck, and products for all ages... ...now youre lucky to even find donald with the mouse and the dog at WDW. Who the hell even likes that piece of Pooh anyway?!?

[Hurricane V1]

I miss Ocean Girl and Spellbinder. My family always let our subscribtion go right at the most crucial episodes.

[UmmYeahOk]

Yeah... ...I remember Spellbinder. I had a crush on that guy! The theme song rocked! I cant see why they wouldnt rerun that.

[RonDrakenfan17]

Yah I know how you feel brother. I miss the good old days when the shows like Aladdin use to air on the Disney channel and other good shows like My Little Pony. I feel the exact same way with Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network while I like the new shows just fine on those channels I just miss the old shows though and Stick Sickly hosting that was awesome much better than this stupid U-Pick Live my God that sucks.

[UmmYeahOk]

Stick Stickly annoyed the crap outta me. I wanted to break him. Upick live was a better host. But I agree with you that it was lame too. Did they have 12 year olds maning the camera switchboards?!?

[SuperStantzio]

I agree with everyone. I also Miss the Old Disney Channel,too. I really liked the Mickey Mouse Club and the Disney Afternoon shows and all the like. And I loved Stick Stickly on the Old nick and He picks out all the great older shows Like Inspector gadget, Garfield and Friends,etc. Now I really don't watch those channels anymore and most the newer shows are terrible in quality and I only watch the movies on the Disney Channel and a few good episodes of the Proud Family.:mad: :crying:

[Bryan]

The only shows I watch now on Disney are Recess, Even Stevens, and I do like Phil of the Future, but don't watch it much.

I never watched Disney as a kid. All I watched was Nickelodeon. I didn't even watch Cartoon Network. Now I watch all of them plus ToonDisney (which I love "The Weekenders", "Lloyd In Space", "X-Men", "Spider-Man", and more).

[Wesyeed]

I jumped onto the disney channel bandwagon just when it started devolving into the Kid's bop Ramma-damma-ding-Dong phase it's in now. Gone were those late nights catching classic Historical Disney shows and insights on the animation process. Gone were the excellent movies that forcefully injected the Disney name into every American's blood stream. Gone, were the good shows, Pooh's corner in the morning, some classic toons in the afternoon, a side of Disney's newer toons, and a dash of The man himself introducing us to his world late at night in vault disney. :sad: RIP old Disney Channel. You will be missed.

At least bring back Zorro!!! Come on.

[Cactus Gunman]

Nickelodeon and the Disney channels were the two networks I watched all the time growing up. Sure Nick was for kids but the Disney channel was for everyone and seeing it nowadays I can't imagine any parent wanting to sit through a half hour. But as crappy as it is now I still think the whole Zoog Disney years were by far the worst.

[Kury Wagner]

Wow, I completely forgot about Zoog Disney! I tried to block that out of my head.

[Cactus Gunman]

I didn't think it could get any worse but then they introduced a Zoog Disney version 2 with all the characters revamped into 3D and given a more hipper look.

[UmmYeahOk]

And I loved Stick Stickly on the Old nick and He picks out all the great older shows Like Inspector gadget, Garfield and Friends,etc.
I know its a DC discussion, but ya know what I liked? When Nick aired inspector gadget WITHOUT Stick Stickley. Nick also aired Charlie Brown, Heathcliff, and Looney Tunes.. ...without Stick Stickly

[Lehteb]

I didn't think it could get any worse but then they introduced a Zoog Disney version 2 with all the characters revamped into 3D and given a more hipper look.
Yeah. The Disney Channel today is now the "Zoog Disney Network". Anything BUT Disney or quality programming is now welcome. :(

[dminor]

I'm sorry to say but Disney nor Nickelodeon are good anymore. I mean I can list a WHOLE bunch of cartoons/shows that I would absolutely LOVE to come back which isn't. Me and my brother look back now and then about the diffrent cartoons we enjoyed watching when we were younger and it saddens me to look at these channels that I couldn't wait to watch I can even stand watching anymore. Its a bit depressing sometimes.

[Metroid_spy]

I miss a lot of things...

The old Disney Channel, the old Nickelodeon, the old Fox Kids, the old Kids WB! and above all else the old Cartoon Network.


yeah i miss all the old channels too. and yeah. a lot of disney channel stars come out with those music videos. and starting singing. i have no idea about that.

[chevy citation]

I miss the Disney Channel from the 80's. It wasn't presented as a kid's channel or tween channel like it is now, instead it seemed like a premium channel, like HBO or Showtime. Partly because of the lack of commercials ;) but mostly because they presented original disney shorts and documentaries of how their classic features were made. Yeah, they had goofy kids shows like the new Mickey Mouse Club and Kids Incorporated but the channel was mainly there to showcase classic disney.

[Slane]

I miss the TV shows that went on the Disney Channel before going into the Disney Afternoon, like Rescue Rangers, Talespin, Darkwing Duck, and Bonkers; sadly, syndication died, and so did the Afternoon.

I miss the animated specials they used to have, like the Dr. Seuss specials, especially Pontoffel Pock, Where Are You? [Note to Warner Bros. and Universal Studios: Airing How the Grinch Stole Christmas and releasing the other cartoons on DVD is not enough; please return these classics to television.]

I miss the movies they used to play: The Care Bear films, Felix the Cat, and American Rabbit (with Barry Gordon, voice of Donatello in the original Ninja Turtles).

I miss having a Disney Channel logo that still matched the duffel bag I got through a promotional offer.

I miss all of the old cable TV lineups that had non-toyetic programming (aside from Ninja Turtles, of course), that had wonderful humor and charm despite campiness and (at times) crappy animation. Heck, I miss a lot of the cartoons that had more intriguing character designs and even animation than some modern cartoons.

I miss it all...

[Classic Speedy]

I hate Toon Disney's new schedule. Come on, do we really need two hour blocks of The Weekenders, Recess, Filmore!, The Proud Family, and Buzz Lightyear? Talk about overload. They could easily run the old shows that they discarded in some of those spots, but nooooooo.

And little on Jetix interests me, except for X-Men reruns (their only smart move) and MAYBE Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force, which I rarely have little motivation to watch for some reason.

[UmmYeahOk]

I miss having a Disney Channel logo that still matched the duffel bag I got through a promotional offer.
I still have my disney channel pin. It had the old mickey ears against a square with horizontal lines. I suppose it represented disney being on TV, which made since. In addition to the logo it had bambi and thumper standing above the logo. Such a classic pin. It was a promotional freebie too.

[Slane]

I still have my disney channel pin. It had the old mickey ears against a square with horizontal lines. I suppose it represented disney being on TV, which made since. In addition to the logo it had bambi and thumper standing above the logo. Such a classic pin. It was a promotional freebie too. I wish the TV-esque logo was back. The second one (the TV with Mickey Mouse ears) was appropriate and fun-looking; the corner (decapitated) mouse head just doesn't appeal to me as much.

My tote bag is red with yellow top trim, a blue bottom, the old Disney Channel logo with blue horizontal bars and a yellow mouse symbol, as well as the words "America's Family Network (TM)."

...Something about the slogan just makes me roll my eyes after all these years. :p

Disney Channel used to get a lot of that promotional material out; I still have freaking Christmas dolls of Mickey and Pluto that are just too cute.

[tucsoncoyote]

Actually I've been reading over a lot of the posts in this thread and I've come to a rather simplistic conclusion as to why The Disney Channel has really gone south as it were.. it's tending to cater to just one or two "Specific" Age groups then to try and appeal to the family as a whole anymore...

but Disney in it's shortsightedness, has failed to realize the main issue at hand.. and that is that every last one of us is getting older, and that the teens and Tweens of today grow up and become the Adults of Tomorrow.. yet Disney in 10 years will come to realize this too late..

Why Cater to just 7-15 year old kids, when you have a larger audience of Adult viewers as well who really do want the older stuff? (That's why some of us older fans agree that Indeed the Disney Channel has falters.. and that's why some of us created this great idea called SaveDisneyshows.org. (now you may think that we're whack but we're not, we've been listening to the complaints and the problems that the Disney Channel has faced and in fact they really need to get back to "Basics" here as it were..

In fact, some of us would love to see some of the older shows come back out of the vault, and still we would like to see some of the newer ideas still exist as well.. so we're not saying that the older shows are better nor are we are saying the newer shows are better.. we're saying Disney Shows should be designed not to cater to those 7-15 year olds, but rather to the Family in general. (After all think about this.. in 10 years those teens and Tweens that are now anywhere from 7 to 15 years of Age, will be the 17 to 25 year old consumers who will be purchasing a lot of the older material.. Frankly I think Disney needs to Cater to those age groups as well. but sadly they don't think older folks buy cartoons? Think again.. after all they're not only buying the DVD's and VHS Tapes not only for the "Nostalgic" Purpose, but also for the fact that in the future, they want to show their own Children what shows they watched when they were kids..

That's a major issue The Walt Disney Comapny Hasn't thought of.. Also what about the possibility of some shows being "Revitalized and restored?" What about a show say like Dark wing duck where we could age the Characters a few years, and have a Teenage Gosalyn fighting crime along side her dad, while an Older Launchpad, is teaching Honker how to fly the Thunderquack, plus Honker showing Launchpad a thing of two about Gizmos and Gadgets...

Or what about bringing back shows Like Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers.. or even redoing Gargoyles the Way it should have been (in the Goliath Chronicles)

Frankly if The Walt Disney Company just did these simple things, A lot of Fans would be happier, and more content then the "Unrest" that I see.. Yet I have to counter with a comment made by some of the "naysayers" (and we know who you are), who say that Disney is doing it just for "Economic" reasons" My counter to this would be.. if Disney has the Money, why not invest some of it back into the animation, and add new stories to the current lists? and if they didn't they that would make perfect sense..(yet some economic people who say Disney is rich because of their successes fail to see that those successes could have been enhanced by further extending the storylines.. After all no book is left half Finished now is it? no Story should ever go uncompleted or left open to make the fans wonder.. in short, a Story should indeed have a conclusion, but not by means of Economic nor demographic means.. in Disney's Case, It's a Never Ending story.. and some shows are meant to last a lot longer then what they were designed for originally..

in conclusion, Disney needs to Rethink it's strategy, give the Fans and Consumers of Walt Disney Memoribilla what they want and in essence leave the fans content ahd happy, not disgruntled, Frustrated, and unhappy. after all if Disney is so popular, why is it that fewer viewers are really watching (Demographically Speaking ) Disney Channel and watching Other channels like Nickelodeon and even Cartoon Network?

your thoughts on this?

:coyote:

[UmmYeahOk]

Actually I've been reading over a lot of the posts in this thread and I've come to a rather simplistic conclusion as to why The Disney Channel has really gone south as it were.. it's tending to cater to just one or two "Specific" Age groups then to try and appeal to the family as a whole anymore...

but Disney in it's shortsightedness, has failed to realize the main issue at hand.. and that is that every last one of us is getting older, and that the teens and Tweens of today grow up and become the Adults of Tomorrow.. yet Disney in 10 years will come to realize this too late..


Well, basically the way I see it, is that Disney Channel turned into the Disney Store. Only during the holidays do you find adult clothing... ...with pooh? But basically I remember, even when I was young, that the disney store always had something for everybody, epecially adults. Adult cloths, hats, watches, even paint cells! That was the days when you also found donald duck merchandise. Its gotten to where even 8 year olds cant shop there because even they are too old.

I do understand that we are all older now. But there are shows that I watched as a kid, that I STILL enjoy as an adult, but on a whole new level. Because the mixed kid humor with adult humor. Things and references I never got as a kid, I do now, and therefore its like a whole new show. Plus, some old shows need to be reran for a new generation anyway. I was never big into the MMC, but when vault disney started showing the old black and white mickey mouse club, and old zorro (stuff my parents watched as kids) I enjoyed them. I cant imagine why the newer generation wouldnt like our old shows.

I like shows like kim possible, fillmore, and proud family. I just feel that they need to be shown once a day.

[magicjac]

I hate Toon Disney's new schedule. Come on, do we really need two hour blocks of The Weekenders, Recess, Filmore!, The Proud Family, and Buzz Lightyear? Talk about overload. They could easily run the old shows that they discarded in some of those spots, but nooooooo.

And little on Jetix interests me, except for X-Men reruns (their only smart move) and MAYBE Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force, which I rarely have little motivation to watch for some reason.I totally agree. TD's new schedule is awful. I miss the old TD when there was nothing but DA classics and old ABC cartoons like "What A Mess!", etc. The new TD is awful because they have long gotten rid of all of the old ABC cartoons and mainly all of the DA classics besides a small few. And if that was bad enough, they have to air those damned marathons daily and kill off basically the only shows left on TD. I shouldv'e known that when TD changed their logo and chaannel format back in August that this was the start of a whole new TD. I shouldv'e realized that most of my favorite DA classics would have been cancelled eventually, but I thought that they would last on TD forever. Boy was I wrong. And little on Jetix amuses me also. The only good things on Jetix are "X Men", "Gargoyles", "Spider Man" and "Spider Man And His Amazing Friends". I hate the fact that "Power Rangers" isn't even animated yet it airs on TD and there's even going to be yet another new PR is February:rolleyes:

[ilove80'sdisney]

I agree, the Disney Channel is not what it used to be. I loved it when they used to show the old Wonderful World of Disney, The Ink & Paint Club (classic Disney cartoons for you younger ones) and Vault Disney (classic Disney films and shows from the 50's-70's) Even though Vault Disney and Ink & Paint Club were on in the middle of the night, I would stay up and tape the movies they showed. I think Disney should launch a "Vault Disney Channel" that shows all of the old Disney cartoons, Wonderful World of Disney, Disney Specials, shows like The Mickey Mouse Club and of course all of their old and best Disney movies both live action and ainimated. (Why would it hurt for Disney to show The Little Mermaid, The Jungle Book or Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs once in a while)? I have to admit, I'm 25 and Even Stevens and Kim Possible just don't do it for me. I know Disney aims for the younger generation, but Disney isn't for just younger people! When they have so much in their film library, why should we have to rely on other channels to show their stuff?

[tucsoncoyote]

I agree, the Disney Channel is not what it used to be. I loved it when they used to show the old Wonderful World of Disney, The Ink & Paint Club (classic Disney cartoons for you younger ones) and Vault Disney (classic Disney films and shows from the 50's-70's) Even though Vault Disney and Ink & Paint Club were on in the middle of the night, I would stay up and tape the movies they showed. I think Disney should launch a "Vault Disney Channel" that shows all of the old Disney cartoons, Wonderful World of Disney, Disney Specials, shows like The Mickey Mouse Club and of course all of their old and best Disney movies both live action and ainimated. (Why would it hurt for Disney to show The Little Mermaid, The Jungle Book or Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs once in a while)? I have to admit, I'm 25 and Even Stevens and Kim Possible just don't do it for me. I know Disney aims for the younger generation, but Disney isn't for just younger people! When they have so much in their film library, why should we have to rely on other channels to show their stuff?I agree there, ilove80'sdisney, and in fact one show I came to love from the "older Disney days" was the "DTV" Music Video segments (where they took either Classic or Current Shows and put Music to them. In fact it's funny why they didn't carry that on into the early 2000's with some of the newer music..(and in fact you could even take some of the older songs of the 70's and 80's and put it to some of the shows they offer today..)

but sadly that's one show that got shelved.. it would be fun to see "DTV Music Videos once again..(Even with more Contemporary music that's More geared not just to the Kids, but the older folks too.

Just my $.02 ....
:coyote:

[ilove80'sdisney]

in fact one show I came to love from the "older Disney days" was the "DTV" Music Video segments (where they took either Classic or Current Shows and put Music to them.

Yes, I mentioned these in my post on "Weird 80's Disney Shows". I love and still do love the DTV specials. The DTV Valentine Specials were the best. I don't know what it was about watching the classic Disney cartoons play with songs like "Rock This Town" by the Stray Cats running in the background. It made the cartoons so awesome. During the vault Disney time, if you were lucky, you could catch them running DTV videos instead of a commercial. They are great, and I wish they would release some type of DTV DVD.

[Captain Caps]

I, too, lived for the old-school "fun-for-all-ages" Disney Channel. Unfortunately, times must and do change. We don't eat our young...Our young eat us.

I actually called some people at Disney up to give them feedback on their TV work. I proposed the idea of a D-C-C (Disney Channel Classic) to them. I even suggested turning ABC Family into the DCC. They basically told me that they thought about it, but decided it wasn't economically feasible. They provided cold comfort by mentioning how Hallmark airs a lot of old Disney movies, but that's not what I'm looking for.

The tapes I have of old Disney specials are starting to show their age, and I would love to see "Kids Incorporated", "MMC", the DTV interstitials, Canadian imports like "Avonlea" and "Danger Bay" and scads of others again.

Don't get me wrong. I still find some entertaining programming on the Disney Channel to this day, but I hope someday they'll toss the old-school Disney Channel fans a bone.

Sincerely,

John "Captain Caps" Kilduff

[paf]

i miss all the old cartoon shows that are now on toon disney(i don't have toon disney)
Well take heart, Toon Disney is no longer the place to go for classic Disney animation. Infact, if the cartoons on TD, chances are it can also been seen on DC, or in the case of Jetix, The Famiy Channel. It has really gone down hill as far as any classics go and many including myself are up in arms about it. Jetix is no problem where I'm concern, its those awful bonus stacks that just show the same program over and over. Usually a program you can see on DC, not exactly a channel worth having any longer. Not like it once was.

[sag_2002]

I agree there, ilove80'sdisney, and in fact one show I came to love from the "older Disney days" was the "DTV" Music Video segments (where they took either Classic or Current Shows and put Music to them. In fact it's funny why they didn't carry that on into the early 2000's with some of the newer music..(and in fact you could even take some of the older songs of the 70's and 80's and put it to some of the shows they offer today..)

but sadly that's one show that got shelved.. it would be fun to see "DTV Music Videos once again..(Even with more Contemporary music that's More geared not just to the Kids, but the older folks too.

Just my $.02 ....
:coyote:Ah, yes. I had completely forgotten about DTV until just now. I remember hearing Weird Al Yankovic's Eat It song played in a DTV segment. My obsession with Weird Al pretty much began with DTV.

Indeed, it would be cool to see DTV back. What I'd do is bring back the classic bits and (taking TC's idea) create new bits using the music of today.

[ilove80'sdisney]

I, too, lived for the old-school "fun-for-all-ages" Disney Channel. Unfortunately, times must and do change. We don't eat our young...Our young eat us.

I actually called some people at Disney up to give them feedback on their TV work. I proposed the idea of a D-C-C (Disney Channel Classic) to them. I even suggested turning ABC Family into the DCC. They basically told me that they thought about it, but decided it wasn't economically feasible. They provided cold comfort by mentioning how Hallmark airs a lot of old Disney movies, but that's not what I'm looking for.

I am so glad that I'm not the only one! I also contacted Disney about what happened to "Vault Disney", and they replied that they were adjusting their programming to meet the needs of the younger generation. Well at the time, all they were doing was re-running the evening shows during the time that Vault Disney was originally on- why are the younger generation watching from midnight until 3 in the morning anyway? I thought that was quite a lame excuse. I then asked if they would consider creating a channel just for the classic programming and they basically acted like I was crazy for suggesting such a thing.

How can a company, who was once so smart and innovative turn so dumb? They have more programming under their fingertips than any other network/company and they refuse to show any of it. But have you noticed that they haven't totally left us out? Instead of creating a network for classic programming, they are releasing crappy dvd's of the stuff hoping that they will make money off of us "old-timers". Trust me, I've bought some of the dvd's like Blackbeard's Ghost and Follow Me Boys, and the copies were worse than the versions I taped off of tv! Disney is in a sad state of affairs right now, and I hope that eventually, someone will wake up and realize that they have a whole other viewing group that they could reach and make a lot of money off of! Okay, off my soap box. ;)

[Lehteb]

I am so glad that I'm not the only one! I also contacted Disney about what happened to "Vault Disney", and they replied that they were adjusting their programming to meet the needs of the younger generation. Well at the time, all they were doing was re-running the evening shows during the time that Vault Disney was originally on- why are the younger generation watching from midnight until 3 in the morning anyway? I thought that was quite a lame excuse. I then asked if they would consider creating a channel just for the classic programming and they basically acted like I was crazy for suggesting such a thing.

How can a company, who was once so smart and innovative turn so dumb? They have more programming under their fingertips than any other network/company and they refuse to show any of it. But have you noticed that they haven't totally left us out? Instead of creating a network for classic programming, they are releasing crappy dvd's of the stuff hoping that they will make money off of us "old-timers". Trust me, I've bought some of the dvd's like Blackbeard's Ghost and Follow Me Boys, and the copies were worse than the versions I taped off of tv! Disney is in a sad state of affairs right now, and I hope that eventually, someone will wake up and realize that they have a whole other viewing group that they could reach and make a lot of money off of! Okay, off my soap box. ;)It seems like a lot of companies are trying to erase their own history these days. At least Nickelodeon has Nicktoons TV and Nick GaS for the older Nick fans. And Nick at Nite even has TV Land for the old-school sitcom fans. This is why, for me, the ball is rolling back into Nickelodeon's court, because even though they're also far removed from the superior network I grew up with in the 1990's, they're not neglecting their past the way Disney and Time Warner are.

Disney needs to understand that people still do enjoy the old stuff. DVD's alone aren't going to fix everything; I myself wouldn't mind buying some DVD's if they were at better prices. People today don't want to start rewriting the history books:

"It all started with a mouse..." (Walt Disney)

"...but ended with a rat." (Michael Eisner)

[Peter Paltridge]

During the vault Disney time, if you were lucky, you could catch them running DTV videos instead of a commercial. They are great, and I wish they would release some type of DTV DVD.What, are you serious? Vault Disney was in the late 90's, right? Were they really running DTV then?

[tucsoncoyote]

What, are you serious? Vault Disney was in the late 90's, right? Were they really running DTV then?Actually ilove80'sdisney is correct, MartianInvader.

During Some Vault Disney breaks, They actually Did run DTV Blocks of about 10-15 minutes..(Sometimes a half hour block. and in fact they were rather good. I liked a lot of stuff like that..

And yes Sag2002, they should bring that back, and instead of these Divas that are out there now promoting their "Songs" on Disney, we could even get a bit creative here.. putting in New DTV Blocks that Deal with Old Songs or New Music with Classic Video..(After all there is a lot you can do with Music and Video nowadays...)

(An Additional Note to Sag 2002 : ) PM Me for info, and I'll show you some rather fun stuff dealing with Disney and Music Videos some fans have done. I'll give you the details and you might be impressed.)

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[tucsoncoyote]

I am so glad that I'm not the only one! I also contacted Disney about what happened to "Vault Disney", and they replied that they were adjusting their programming to meet the needs of the younger generation. Well at the time, all they were doing was re-running the evening shows during the time that Vault Disney was originally on- why are the younger generation watching from midnight until 3 in the morning anyway? I thought that was quite a lame excuse. I then asked if they would consider creating a channel just for the classic programming and they basically acted like I was crazy for suggesting such a thing.

How can a company, who was once so smart and innovative turn so dumb? They have more programming under their fingertips than any other network/company and they refuse to show any of it. But have you noticed that they haven't totally left us out? Instead of creating a network for classic programming, they are releasing crappy dvd's of the stuff hoping that they will make money off of us "old-timers". Trust me, I've bought some of the dvd's like Blackbeard's Ghost and Follow Me Boys, and the copies were worse than the versions I taped off of tv! Disney is in a sad state of affairs right now, and I hope that eventually, someone will wake up and realize that they have a whole other viewing group that they could reach and make a lot of money off of! Okay, off my soap box. ;)I have to agree with you ,ilove80'sdisney , that indeed this type of answer they gave you really isn't a plausible and in fact your logic here rings very true..(What Kid would be up at 2 am watching a repeat of a Disney show that was on earlier in the day? (and yes why has The Walt Disney Company turned from a Positive experience to such a negative one for it's fans? That's what a number of us are trying to figure out here.. and in fact They need to bring back not only Vault Disney, but to have some sort of Balance here..(After all the Logic of supporting a "Younger Generation" Only goes so far, because in 10 years, that "younger Generation" (of 7-15 year olds) will be 17-25.. and no longer in "The Younger Generation" group..that Disney is trying to promote (Also that same 7-15 group will be getting smaller. and thus suggests that the Company is wanting to do "Selective Group Compression". After all There'll be a lot more older fans in 10 years then younger ones..(Unless someone isn't telling me about a "New Baby Boom" that is occuring.")

but yes your logic is sound here, ilove80'sdisney. and I agree 100%.

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[ilove80'sdisney]

I have to agree with you ,ilove80'sdisney , that indeed this type of answer they gave you really isn't a plausible and in fact your logic here rings very true..(What Kid would be up at 2 am watching a repeat of a Disney show that was on earlier in the day? (and yes why has The Walt Disney Company turned from a Positive experience to such a negative one for it's fans? That's what a number of us are trying to figure out here.. and in fact They need to bring back not only Vault Disney, but to have some sort of Balance here..(After all the Logic of supporting a "Younger Generation" Only goes so far, because in 10 years, that "younger Generation" (of 7-15 year olds) will be 17-25.. and no longer in "The Younger Generation" group..that Disney is trying to promote (Also that same 7-15 group will be getting smaller. and thus suggests that the Company is wanting to do "Selective Group Compression". After all There'll be a lot more older fans in 10 years then younger ones..(Unless someone isn't telling me about a "New Baby Boom" that is occuring.")

but yes your logic is sound here, ilove80'sdisney. and I agree 100%.

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I agree with you as well. There should be programming for the younger ages, hey that's how we have our memories. But yes, they should devote some of their airing time to their classic, even 80's programming and that's why I think they should just launch a whole new channel. I would love to see shows from the 80's like The Gummy Bears, Fraggle Rock, etc. as well as movies like Child of Glass, Lt. Robin Crusoe USN, etc. It's just sad that they have so much programming and are probably just letting it rot away.

[ilove80'sdisney]

What, are you serious? Vault Disney was in the late 90's, right? Were they really running DTV then?

Yes, during the feature film, instead of going to commercial, they would run a DTV video or a clip from another movie. For example, they would often run the video of the bobby soxer cartoon (them dancing around) being played to Rock This Town By the Stray Cats (this video also appears in the DTV Valentine Special). An example of a clip from another movie was Fantasia. They would show a segment of it and then go back to the movie. It was great! You were still getting classic Disney when you were supposed to be seeing commercials. I miss that and can't understand why they couldn't allocate just a couple of hours and return Vault Disney and Ink & Paint Club.

[ilove80'sdisney]

It seems like a lot of companies are trying to erase their own history these days. At least Nickelodeon has Nicktoons TV and Nick GaS for the older Nick fans. And Nick at Nite even has TV Land for the old-school sitcom fans. This is why, for me, the ball is rolling back into Nickelodeon's court, because even though they're also far removed from the superior network I grew up with in the 1990's, they're not neglecting their past the way Disney and Time Warner are.

Disney needs to understand that people still do enjoy the old stuff. DVD's alone aren't going to fix everything; I myself wouldn't mind buying some DVD's if they were at better prices. People today don't want to start rewriting the history books:

"It all started with a mouse..." (Walt Disney)

"...but ended with a rat." (Michael Eisner)


I don't know how old you are, but I used to love Nick and watched shows like Pinwheel and Today's Special (are you familiar with those?) Then as I got older I started liking Double Dare and Finders Keepers, which yes I'm glad I can still see now. I just wish they would show the other two shows I mentioned as well. Maybe I'm too old! But yes, Nick has done a better job allowing older fans to still enjoy their programming.

[tucsoncoyote]

I don't know how old you are, but I used to love Nick and watched shows like Pinwheel and Today's Special (are you familiar with those?) Then as I got older I started liking Double Dare and Finders Keepers, which yes I'm glad I can still see now. I just wish they would show the other two shows I mentioned as well. Maybe I'm too old! But yes, Nick has done a better job allowing older fans to still enjoy their programming.
I would have to Agree with you there, ilove80'sdisney, and in fact Nickelodeon has in fact done a far better job with their Perserving their Heritage..(And yes I remember those Old Nick shows that you mention..(And in fact I'm 42.. and I reembered those when I was in my mid 20's..)

but Lehteb is indeed correct in his observation.. and in fact some of us are trying to bring this issue to The Disney Company's Attention..(After all I have to also Agree that some of those Older shows are indeed important and in fact you are not crazy nor insane for suggesting that they restore "Vault Disney."

In fact I could forsee a Better Disney if they just really did Listen to even some of us older fans..(After all those 7-15 year old kids are just one part of the equation..) Yet in 10 to 20 years time.. that group of kids that are 7-15 now.. are going to be 17-25 (in 10 years) or 27-35 (in 20) and in fact they're the ones who will be having Kids of their Own.. and in fact they'll want to show what they enjoyed when they were a kid..

Yet it seems that Like Lehteb said, Some companies are wanting to obscure their history and in fact by doing that.. they're really hurting themselves..(After all I've talked to 50 Something Grandparents who enjoy even some of the older shows, but they also like shows Like Kim Possible, or Lilo and Stitch..

but with this happening.. I start to think that either The Walt Disney Company does want to care, but they don't want to listen to what the older fans have to say.. and that in itself is a bad thing..because it's just like Customer serivice.. You give a customer good service they will return, you give them bad service.. and ignore them.. they won't be back.. ever..and what is even worse.. they'll tell 10 other people.. (and like the Breck Commercial.. They'll tell 10 friends.. and so on and so on and.. Well You get the idea..)

but Frankly I have to say.. It's time to change.. and it can be done.. we just have to speak long and loud about the problem.. perhaps then the Walt Disney Company will get a hint..or at least a clue.. After all we're consumers as well..

that's really all I need to say..

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[Steve Carras]

Actually I've been reading over a lot of the posts in this thread and I've come to a rather simplistic conclusion as to why The Disney Channel has really gone south as it were.. it's tending to cater to just one or two "Specific" Age groups then to try and appeal to the family as a whole anymore...

but Disney in it's shortsightedness, has failed to realize the main issue at hand.. and that is that every last one of us is getting older, and that the teens and Tweens of today grow up and become the Adults of Tomorrow.. yet Disney in 10 years will come to realize this too late..

Why Cater to just 7-15 year old kids, when you have a larger audience of Adult viewers as well who really do want the older stuff? (That's why some of us older fans agree that Indeed the Disney Channel has falters.. and that's why some of us created this great idea called SaveDisneyshows.org. (now you may think that we're whack but we're not, we've been listening to the complaints and the problems that the Disney Channel has faced and in fact they really need to get back to "Basics" here as it were..

In fact, some of us would love to see some of the older shows come back out of the vault, and still we would like to see some of the newer ideas still exist as well.. so we're not saying that the older shows are better nor are we are saying the newer shows are better.. we're saying Disney Shows should be designed not to cater to those 7-15 year olds, but rather to the Family in general. (After all think about this.. in 10 years those teens and Tweens that are now anywhere from 7 to 15 years of Age, will be the 17 to 25 year old consumers who will be purchasing a lot of the older material.. Frankly I think Disney needs to Cater to those age groups as well. but sadly they don't think older folks buy cartoons? Think again.. after all they're not only buying the DVD's and VHS Tapes not only for the "Nostalgic" Purpose, but also for the fact that in the future, they want to show their own Children what shows they watched when they were kids..



:coyote:..not to mention some of of forty-fiver-er's (and up--born between 1945,say, and 1965-the boomers!:D_) would love to see ANnette, before her bikini American International "Frankie & Annette" dyas in the old B&W show.

(But of course, with few exceptions, you're stuck in colorland.After all, kids don't WATCH B&W, DO they?:roilleyes:)

[tucsoncoyote]

..not to mention some of of forty-fiver-er's (and up--born between 1945,say, and 1965-the boomers!:D_) would love to see ANnette, before her bikini American International "Frankie & Annette" dyas in the old B&W show.

(But of course, with few exceptions, you're stuck in colorland.After all, kids don't WATCH B&W, DO they?:roilleyes:)I definitely agree there Steve... After all Before 1984, The Original Mickey Mouse Club didn't have some limit to it.. in fact That Show ran for just 3 seasons.. but had well over 600 Episodes.. (That's right folks, 600! not 60..)

and besides I grew up with "The Mickey mouse Club (Actually I missed the original series which ended in 1958, but hey when Vault Disney was around, we could enjoy them. and not have to worry about this..

Also Ilove80's Disney, I agree with your thoughts as well. What would be nice is that instead of just having The Company create just a New Channel, they could use this new channel to promote not only the "Older Shows" that have been mentioned, but also the Newer ones as well.(After all I believe in a fine balance between older and newer shows. I mean Kim Possible is just as Enjoyable as Gummi Bears, Gargoyles or the rest of the older shows..(So I say yes to the New Channel idea, and in fact Yes to the balance.. After all it would be fun to see a mix of Old and Newer shows on this channel. and i think it would appeal to everyone.. Not just a select few.

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[ChristineFreak]

I really, really miss what Disney and Toon Disney used to be. I mean, Disney especially has gone from a great channel with great shows and cartoons to a boring channel with all these live-action "commedies" with some of the worst acting I've seen in a long time, not to say that the acting on Nickelodeon isn't worse. And face it Disney, half your "actors" can't sing either.


>Do you remember the Mad Libs show? I loved that! I miss the old Disney Channel too. . .

Yes! Yes! And their other one, "Off the Wall"? Those shows were so so so so awesome!

>What really annoys me about Disney Channel now are their long commercials doing nothing but promoting Disney merchandise.

Oh my! It's rediculous!

>And what's with all the music videos? Does every Disney Channel star have to come out with an album?

Apparently. Now let's just wait for them to find someone talented... (of course, Christy Romano and Anneliese are exceptions to this -- I do think they're talented singers, but other than that, no thank you)

>Toon Disney sucks now too. Nothing from the old Disney Afternoon, but then again they never managed to air all the episodes of any of those shows anyway.

Oh I know! Toon Disney used to be my favorite channel until they added Jetex (Sp?) and all these cartoons that they already show on the regular disney channel, and the stupid movies *every day*. It's rediculous. they are purposely filling up their schedule by showing the same show like at least 5 times a day. It's rediculous.

>However, the positive, as someone mentioned, is the fact that the new DC has breeded lots of stars that have grown out of the Disney image. Hilary being

one of them. And of course, Britney was the old school Disney representative from long ago.

Am I the only one who doesn't see this as a positive? I can't stand either Hilary or Britney, especially Hilary. *gags*

[tucsoncoyote]

I really, really miss what Disney and Toon Disney used to be. I mean, Disney especially has gone from a great channel with great shows and cartoons to a boring channel with all these live-action "commedies" with some of the worst acting I've seen in a long time, not to say that the acting on Nickelodeon isn't worse. And face it Disney, half your "actors" can't sing either.


>Do you remember the Mad Libs show? I loved that! I miss the old Disney Channel too. . .

Yes! Yes! And their other one, "Off the Wall"? Those shows were so so so so awesome!

>What really annoys me about Disney Channel now are their long commercials doing nothing but promoting Disney merchandise.

Oh my! It's rediculous!

>And what's with all the music videos? Does every Disney Channel star have to come out with an album?

Apparently. Now let's just wait for them to find someone talented... (of course, Christy Romano and Anneliese are exceptions to this -- I do think they're talented singers, but other than that, no thank you)

>Toon Disney sucks now too. Nothing from the old Disney Afternoon, but then again they never managed to air all the episodes of any of those shows anyway.

Oh I know! Toon Disney used to be my favorite channel until they added Jetex (Sp?) and all these cartoons that they already show on the regular disney channel, and the stupid movies *every day*. It's rediculous. they are purposely filling up their schedule by showing the same show like at least 5 times a day. It's rediculous.

>However, the positive, as someone mentioned, is the fact that the new DC has breeded lots of stars that have grown out of the Disney image. Hilary being

one of them. And of course, Britney was the old school Disney representative from long ago.

Am I the only one who doesn't see this as a positive? I can't stand either Hilary or Britney, especially Hilary. *gags*

Christine, you are not alone in your comments, in fact a lot of older fans want to see a lot fo the older shows return (I know that some of the Disney Afternoon (DA) Shows were wonderful to watch, and in fact there are a number of Good shows that Disney could offer not only to their Younger fans, but to their Older ones as well.(And in fact this is why I again emphasize that Balance here..(Old and New). though I will admit that there are some fans who would disagree with me. (Some would want All Old shows, while others just want the Newer shows Aimed At teens and Tweens.

as for the Music Videos why not a mix as well? (A mix of Old DTV and New DTV (after all I know a number of creative people who would love to do stuff like this..)

but I think the key thing a lot of Fans need to realize.. is that Without the old And the New.. The Disney Channel, Toon Disney, ABC Family, and Jetix, would really have no meaning.. and no real purprose. After all Like I said, you could put on maybe 2 channels all the shows Disney has, and run them, 1 episode a day for 13 or so weeks, and you would exhaust at least 80% of what Disney has currently (and that includes those "Muppet" Shows Like Fraggle Rock..(Which was originally an HBO Original idea.)

but yes they do need some sort of balance.. maybe that's why we need to stress this to them.. After all they are alienating a lot of Older fans here.. who could enjoy these channels as much as the Kids are now..

That's really All I have to say.

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[Ferquin]

Okay, it's been a while since I watched the Disney Channel and I tuned in and it was utter crap. It's all old bad 90s sitcoms and bad cartoons.

I miss the old days when Disney Channel was a premium channel like HBO or Showtime. It was a luxury. I remember early one morning as a wee lad, tuning in to find this surreal morning exercise show with giant live action Mickey costume and other characters exercising with kids. I remember in the noon times, they'd have those live action Winnie the Pooh and Dumbo's Circus. On weekends, they'd show cool children's movies like Pippi Longstocking or Flight of the Navigator or The Boy Who Could Fly. And during the afternoon, I'd watch the New Mickey Mouse Club and Kids Incorporated where young future talents like Jennifer Love Hewitt and Brittney Spears ran around making great, quality programming. I remember anticipating all these great new shows like TaleSpin and Darkwing Duck that were totally exclusive until the Disney Afternoon came along.

That was good times. I grew up with the very early days of cable and Disney Channel was one of my favorites back then.

Now it's utter crap.

Thankfully, on my cable provider, it is one channel away from Cartoon Network.

R.I.P. Disney Channel.

[StarScream64]

You mean the Disney Channel that showed no commercials? The one that actually showed their classic movies and shorts? The one that isn't almost completely directed to toddlers and tweens? Never heard of it. :p

I, too, miss the old Disney Channel. Ahh, yes. "Welcome to Pooh Corner." I can still recite Eeyore's song. Scary, ain't it?

And now that Ferquin mentioned it, yeah, it did used to have cool movies. I taped "The Flight of Dragons" off the Disney Channel and kept it up until several months ago. *sigh* Good times, good times.

[CyberCartoon]

Does anyone known the movie Toothless??????

[Vivace]

I agree I miss the old days. One thing I'm really tired of is cookie cutter stuff that has been on near every kids show now.

-Mom's a Genius
-Dad's an imcompetant idioit.
-Main character wildly popular in our real world but in the show is unpopular
-Popular people are ALL and I do mean ALL jerks
-Main character is either annoying to an older sibling or annoied by a younger sibling.
-And in more recent shows there always seems to be a tech geek character.

[Captain C]

I don't think Hilary is that bad. Plus, my little sister practiclly worships her. Frankly, though i'm not a huge fan of either, i'd rather my little sister listened to Hilary than Britney spears. I mean, at least Hilary doesn't rely on her boobies to get attention.

[funkrocker66]

does anyone have any vhs tapes or mpegs of the disney channel that you have recorded personally? i would greatlv appreciate it if you replied. check this site out retrojunk.com, it has old disney channel logos and shows.

[Tintin]

For my part, i miss the old-school Disney cartoon shows, you know, air during the week after school. What-a-glory years, but now, NOTHING!!! :crying:

But for you reassure, the old Disney Channel are none the only channel to miss me too, the first Teletoon years too

[Silly McGooses]

I really miss Vault Disney...desperately. It went off the air when I was 12 or 13...it made me VERY angry. Like any tween's watching DC at 2:00 AM anyway...

[Tintin]

does anyone have any vhs tapes or mpegs of the disney channel that you have recorded personally? i would greatlv appreciate it if you replied. check this site out retrojunk.com, it has old disney channel logos and shows.I got a tour to your site and i am much amusing with classic commercials and TV themes

[stargirl]

I agree! It's not only today's Disney shows, but today's Disney show sites! Let's take a look at when Kim Possible first aired, shall we?

When KP first aired, it had web pages that were only owned by the characters of the show and their own games! (So you could personally know more about them!)

Now, all those pages are filled with games only and characters only, with totally short descriptions of them!

It really stinks! :sad: :mad: :yawn:

[Tintin]

I agree! It's not only today's Disney shows, but today's Disney show sites! Let's take a look at when Kim Possible first aired, shall we?

When KP first aired, it had web pages that were only owned by the characters of the show and their own games! (So you could personally know more about them!)

Now, all those pages are filled with games only and characters only, with totally short descriptions of them!

It really stinks! :sad: :mad: :yawn:
Yeah. Disney Channel site is suck

[CookieS]

You guys can miss it, but seriously, move on. Times change and so should you. No channel is the same as it was even 5 years ago. I love old cartoons, but I know that every company has to keep releasing new content in order to stay competitive. I think Disney has done a great job in DVD releases to keep fans happy. Disney is striving to create a new family-friendly brand for itself. Airing 20 year old+ cartoons isn't going to cut it when Nick and Cartoon Network are airing something kids really like. Just look back with a smile, get your dvds, and let go...seriously.

[Sailor V]

Yeah sometimes I miss the old Disney!

[EscaflownePilot]

You guys can miss it, but seriously, move on. Times change and so should you. No channel is the same as it was even 5 years ago. I love old cartoons, but I know that every company has to keep releasing new content in order to stay competitive. I think Disney has done a great job in DVD releases to keep fans happy. Disney is striving to create a new family-friendly brand for itself. Airing 20 year old+ cartoons isn't going to cut it when Nick and Cartoon Network are airing something kids really like. Just look back with a smile, get your dvds, and let go...seriously.I'm inclined to agree with CookieS, although I wouldn't put it quite so harshly.

Sure, I miss the Cartoon Network, Nickelodian, and Disney Channel that I grew up with, and often have a craving to see the old shows and bumpers and stuff, but I don't think it's at all fair to say that there's nothing good on TV anymore. Who's to say if all of you were kids while Lizzie McGuire or Kim Possible or Phil of the Future were on that you wouldn't love all of those as much as you loved MMC, Zorro, Ink & Paint Club, etc.?

Honestly, as much as I miss the shows that I grew up with, I do also absolutely love Lizzie McGuire, Suite Life of Zack and Cody, and even Phil of the Future. As much as I miss Nick favorites like Hey Dude, The Little Bits, David the Gnome, and others, I'm really liking Danny Phantom, Avatar, Fairly Oddparents, and My Life as a Teenage Robot, and even Drake and Josh. And as much as I liked watching HB reruns and Courage and PPG on CN, I love Foster's Home and Teen Titans and... uh... um... okay, so CN is mostly crap, but the others are still great, IMO.

My point is, although the older shows probably had more charm for older viewers than the shows of today do, realize that you were younger when you enjoyed them most - and it's not like there wasn't also crap on these networks when you all were younger. I'm sure there were at least some shows on each of the three networks that you avoided like the plague.

My only complain about TV today is the utter lack of variety during a day - for some reason, marathons of one or two shows seems to dominate the schedules, and certain episodes of certain shows are repeated way more than they should be. But the programming in general has as much of a good:bad ratio as they did before, it's just that some of you here are so wrapped up in missing what you grew up with that you don't allow yourselves to enjoy what we have now.

[tucsoncoyote]

I'm inclined to agree with CookieS, although I wouldn't put it quite so harshly.

Sure, I miss the Cartoon Network, Nickelodian, and Disney Channel that I grew up with, and often have a craving to see the old shows and bumpers and stuff, but I don't think it's at all fair to say that there's nothing good on TV anymore. Who's to say if all of you were kids while Lizzie McGuire or Kim Possible or Phil of the Future were on that you wouldn't love all of those as much as you loved MMC, Zorro, Ink & Paint Club, etc.?

Honestly, as much as I miss the shows that I grew up with, I do also absolutely love Lizzie McGuire, Suite Life of Zack and Cody, and even Phil of the Future. As much as I miss Nick favorites like Hey Dude, The Little Bits, David the Gnome, and others, I'm really liking Danny Phantom, Avatar, Fairly Oddparents, and My Life as a Teenage Robot, and even Drake and Josh. And as much as I liked watching HB reruns and Courage and PPG on CN, I love Foster's Home and Teen Titans and... uh... um... okay, so CN is mostly crap, but the others are still great, IMO.

My point is, although the older shows probably had more charm for older viewers than the shows of today do, realize that you were younger when you enjoyed them most - and it's not like there wasn't also crap on these networks when you all were younger. I'm sure there were at least some shows on each of the three networks that you avoided like the plague.

My only complain about TV today is the utter lack of variety during a day - for some reason, marathons of one or two shows seems to dominate the schedules, and certain episodes of certain shows are repeated way more than they should be. But the programming in general has as much of a good:bad ratio as they did before, it's just that some of you here are so wrapped up in missing what you grew up with that you don't allow yourselves to enjoy what we have now. That's very True EscaflownePilot, but then a lot of times folks don't realize what they had until they LOSE it.. then when they want it again, they can't have it.

That's all the more reason some folks who are disney fans are fighting back, and in fact some of them have started to complain to Disney to produce those DVD's and Videos for their enjoyment, and if not for themselves, then for their children. After all this goes back to something I pointed out last yer and people pointed at me and Laughed saying I was nuts.

They laughed saying "Tuc, you know Disney is going to be around for quite a while."

I looked at them and replied calmly I might add, "Well don't say I didn't tell you so.. but..." and let it drop at that..

Now it's a year later and still folks are complaining, yet i have not seen fans join up as a group, and fight for the common good for Disney, and even thought things have maybe (and I stress Maybe), for the better, unless people speak up and ask Disney some serious questions, well they Disney reserves the right not to release anything that they deem "Profitable" or worthwile for their botom line which is of coure "Profitability".

But then You have to Looki Elsewhere in this Forum to see that it's taken well over a Decade and a half for shows Like Chip and Dales Rescue Rangers, and even Ducktales to finally find their way to Digital (DVD) media. It's taken Gargoyles over 10 years to do the same. and yet each year that goes by and nothing is done, is another year that some shows on the old beta video media loses it's luster or eventually deteriorates.

In the end, I still say that if fans don't speak up and tell Disney what they really want, then it's simple that folks get what they deserve, which in this case for a lot of Dinsey fans is a lot of old broken Video tapes and faded, and jaded Memories..

but until people start talking to Disney, and telling them what tehy want on DVD's, nothing ever is going to change. and eventually the magic they enjoed as a child / teen / young adult will be lost in the anals of history, never to return again.

It's prety straiight forward.. fight for it, or lose it. that's really all you got.

Nuff said.

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