First look at Ultimate Hobgoblin (At least for me it is)

[Red X Unmasked]

Here's the cover for the new Ultimate Spider-Man coming in March!
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/3601/ultsm073covscaled8000ws.jpg

Not that spectacular, and obviously they're making Harry Hobgoblin, which isn't very pleasing, but why is he on fire? Did Harry do something to the Oz serum?
Discuss.

[Matt-a-Tastic]

:eek: WOW, that looks really cool, I havent been following the comic, but I think I might start to after seeing how cool that is:eek:

[Red X Unmasked]

Well, if you'd like summaries of all the chapters so far, let me know and I'll post a link up to them all.

[Donald Duck 12]

Well, if you'd like summaries of all the chapters so far, let me know and I'll post a link up to them all.

Please?

[Lightwave]

Awesome design, really. I'm hoping this arc will be better than some of the previous ones, as they seemed a little lacking story wise. I still love the art, though.

Now, I'm off to create some sort of an avatar from that image.

[ManicWebb]

I have to wonder what Harry's motivation for being the Hobgoblin could be. In the main Marvel universe (and animated series, and possibly the movies), Harry blamed Spider-Man for his father's death, and went looking for revenge as the new Green Goblin.

Last time I checked, Harry caught Spider-Man working with the Ultimates to stop his dad from attacking the White House. He has to know his father is in the wrong. Maybe his twisted logic will be less noble, this time around.

[Nick K.]

Why are we all drwaing the same conclusions? How do we know Harry is the Hobgoblin? Has that been confirmed? Maybe he is just returning and the Hobgoblin is someone else and Harry returns to find out who has stolen his father's things... you never know...

[ManicWebb]

Why are we all drwaing the same conclusions? How do we know Harry is the Hobgoblin? Has that been confirmed? Maybe he is just returning and the Hobgoblin is someone else and Harry returns to find out who has stolen his father's things... you never know... Good point. Because, really, Harry has little or no motivation to become the Hobgoblin.

[Red X Unmasked]

Why are we all drwaing the same conclusions? How do we know Harry is the Hobgoblin? Has that been confirmed? Maybe he is just returning and the Hobgoblin is someone else and Harry returns to find out who has stolen his father's things... you never know...
But then again, if they can make Ben Reilly NOT Peter's clone, what's stopping them from making Harry Hobgoblin?
Oh and here is the link to the summaries:
http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/title/spiderman_ultimate.html

[Nick K.]

But then again, if they can make Ben Reilly NOT Peter's clone, what's stopping them from making Harry Hobgoblin?
Oh and here is the link to the summaries:
http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/title/spiderman_ultimate.html
One thing has nothing to do with the other. I'm just saying that we're drawing conclusions to soon. He could be related to the story and the villain, but not actually be him.

[MJC]

Interesting, especially since I've speculated that Harry may be Hobgoblin in the next Spidey movie...if he is here, there would be a comics precident...

[Stu]

I hope it's not Harry. Hobgoblin is best when you don't know who he is. Some of the Hobgoblin stories from the 80's are some of Spidey's finest tales.

Please Bendis, don't screw this up like you have Venom and Carnage...

[Red X Unmasked]

I hope it's not Harry. Hobgoblin is best when you don't know who he is. Some of the Hobgoblin stories from the 80's are some of Spidey's finest tales.

Please Bendis, don't screw this up like you have Venom and Carnage...
What? Venome and Carnage (well at least Venom) were awesome. It was the best [realistic and logical] way to introduce him into the comic, because how were they going to have him get the suit from space? They can't use Jamenson's son, cause he's dead.

[Singularity]

I don't even need to point out that the comics Venom didn't have the same origin as the animated series. Nor is John Jameson the only person in the Ultimate universe qualified to go into outer space.

[ManicWebb]

To rephrase Red X Unmasked, how were they gonna make Venom without writing Ultimate Secret Wars?
Seriously, though, I liked Bendis' version of Venom. I think the mention of Carnage being connected to the black suit wasn't stressed enough. I almost didn't catch it. Besides, I like that Eddie Brock wasn't a news reporter who blamed Spider-Man for everything, almost out of left-field.

Personally, I'd rather the Hobgoblin not be more than one person. It got really annoying that there were so many goblins in the 616 universe, and we really don't need 4 Hobgoblins, 3 Green Goblins, 2 Turtledoves, and a good Goblin just to add to the confusion.

[Red X Unmasked]

To rephrase Red X Unmasked, how were they gonna make Venom without writing Ultimate Secret Wars?
What he said.


Seriously, though, I liked Bendis' version of Venom. I think the mention of Carnage being connected to the black suit wasn't stressed enough. I almost didn't catch it.
Same here.


Besides, I like that Eddie Brock wasn't a news reporter who blamed Spider-Man for everything, almost out of left-field.
Agreed. He was starting to sound like Dr. Doom.

[Spider-Man]

Please Bendis, don't screw this up like you have Venom and Carnage... I thought the Ultimate take on Venom and Carnage were great, and possibly better than the mainstream version. I thought the scientific explaination over the alien symbiotes was a much better explaination to their existance. As much as I liked the Venom and Carnage characters I never liked their respective backstories. I thought Bendis took a much better route with them.

[Gillespee]

I thought the scientific explaination over the alien symbiotes was a much better explaination to their existance. As much as I liked the Venom and Carnage characters I never liked their respective backstories. I thought Bendis took a much better route with them.
As one who really liked the idea of the suit coming from space and ending up in the hands of someone who already hated Peter, I thought Venom was done adequately. I thought Carnage was rushed and not as well done, but there wasn't much of another way they could have done Venom.

That being said Venom's not nearly as much the dark side of Spider-man anymore. I always liked how he had almost the same powers as Peter (only a little better) and was the dark side of Pete without being a clone or a long-lost brother or himself from the future or something. I do miss that aspect of the character, but I enjoyed Ultimate Venom quite a bit too. Just a new take on the character.

[Stu]

I enjoyed Venom's origin, specifically, how the suit was created, and why it was created. But once the suit bonded with Brock, the whole story went to hell. I think the early Venom appearances are great.

I realise a lot of the edge was lost because nearly of all the villains know he is Peter under the mask but Ultimate Venom had a bitterly dissapointing conclusion. In my opinion, the best Venom origin is still the animated one, despite the Venom confrontation not living up to Spidey's time in the suit.

Ultimate Carnage didn't really have a character. Why did it kill everyone? Why did it specifically kill Gwen? It was litterally a big blob that massacered things. As someone who greatly enjoyed Carnage's original 3 part origin story, I found the arc dreadfully dull.

[Icer]

Ultimate Venom was a good story, not great but good.

Carnage however, completely whiffed and sucked. Especially the ramifications it had with Gwen/Doc Connors. Awful job on that part.

Hopefully Hobgoblin is more like Venom.

[ManicWebb]

I didn't really enjoy the Ultimate Carnage arc (or character), but...


Ultimate Carnage didn't really have a character. Why did it kill everyone? Why did it specifically kill Gwen? My understanding is that Carnage was an unstable lifeform. It started out as a reddish fetus. When it broke free, it needed to absorb the genetic material of other humans, before it could take on a more stable appearance. With each person it killed, it became more human-looking. I doubt it specifically targetted Gwen. It thought it was Peter (due to the black suit's apparent ability to absorb knowledge), so it made its way to Pete's house in Queens. Gwen just happened to be there, so it killed her in the same way it killed the other cannon-fodder.

Really, it's moments like that I wish someone would've just dropped Gwen off of a bridge.

[Red X Unmasked]

My understanding is that Carnage was an unstable lifeform. It started out as a reddish fetus. When it broke free, it needed to absorb the genetic material of other humans, before it could take on a more stable appearance. With each person it killed, it became more human-looking. I doubt it specifically targetted Gwen. It thought it was Peter (due to the black suit's apparent ability to absorb knowledge), so it made its way to Pete's house in Queens. Gwen just happened to be there, so it killed her in the same way it killed the other cannon-fodder.

Correctomundo.