Superman: Post Legacy and JL

[TerryMcGuiness]

One of the big questions surrounding the show is wether or not Legacy is something that will be acknowledged

I submit that it *was* albeit on an extremely subtle level.

Superman mentioned that he had worked for a long time to gain the trust of the people.

Also, I think the more chisled look of Superman can be explained by the idea that the Justice League takes place in a very later point in the careers of both Batman and Superman.

They are the veterans. They are the warhorses. I think what we see here is a Superman has been working for a long time to finally grow into his boots. He's not the fresh faced hero we knew before, but now a seasoned and even slightly wethered Man of Steel who in the later half of his prime. In a sense, it almost like the original TAS Superman was the Golden Age and now he's in in something equivalent to Silver Age. Not literally mind you, but he's probably more powerful and has become a very much looked up to symbol. He's past his "strange visitor from another planet" days, if you will.

I think this is even purposely reflected in his colors being the primary scheme. Almost like, *now* Clark has grown into the Superman most people know (minus the crap of course because this is still the Timmverse Superman)


I'd say the same of Batman for that matter.

So basically I think legacy is acknowledged but not in a big way because its not something that happened yesterday. I get the sense that its probably been as much as 10 years between Legacy and Secret Origins. Perhaps even longer.

I like this because it basically makes the Justice League something of a creshendo point for the careers of Batman and especially Superman.

Now as far as "the Call" goes. Its a great story, but as the idea of what ultimately happens to Superman.

[TerryMcGuiness]

*sigh* typo. -_-

The Call as the idea of what ultimately happens to Superman, it blows. Then again, I'm not sure if the Call was saying he had the influence of Starro for a short period of time or for years.

Still, I think it's better off as an "imaginary" story.

[Karkull]

I don't think that ten years have passed between Legacy and Secret Origins, it feels more like five (at the most!). In the mean time he's worked hard to earn back his trust.

Besides, Superman looks a bit older, but Batman's practically unchanged.

[kid_flash]

That's an interesting point on Batman and Superman. Superman ages slower, so why is he showing more signs of age than Batman? I think it's been some time since Legacy, at least enough for Superman to regain the public's trust. I don't think the whether or not Legacy exists has been commented on by any JL's producers.

[Maxie Zeus]

I took the "gain your trust" line to be purposefully and studiously ambiguous. I don't know what Timm & Co. have planned for eventual surprises, but that line could be interpreted either as an allusion to "Legacy" or simply to Supe's existence on Earth. That way, they satisfy both those who care and who don't care about continuity.

[metaphysician]

It also has the benefit of leaving their options open, allowing them to deal with the Legacy events, if they want, but not tying their hands.

I'd say that Secret Origins takes place at least a 1.5 years after Legacy, but no more than 4-5.

As for Bats: for all we know, he's "acquired" some of Ghul's Lazarus pits, or otherwise been exposed. Hell, it makes more sense than the way they kept the JSA young, in the comics.

P.S.: I really hope they base either a long arc ( 3 ep. ) or a movie on Tower of Babel.

[TerryMcGuiness]

Well guys, Batman wears a *mask*.

For all we know, Bruce Wayne could be grey underneath his cowl by this point. :p

[Mr. Obsession]

MY understanding is that from the time Superman first showed up in Metropolis in "Last Son..." to "Legacy" was a span of about 3 years. It's not said how much time has passed between "Legacy" and "Secret Origins" but I don't believe that it's more 2, maybe 3 years. The opening of "Secret Origins" covers 2 years. So Superman has been doing this for 6-7 years.

Now for fun:

Lets compare the Flash. Assuming that he had just started his Career when "Speed Demons" occurred (which would put it about 1 - 1.5 years in Supes career). So he's got somewhere around 5 years of experience.

Then there's Batman, the true veteran. MotP puts him in his early 20's when he took up the cowl. Most of us guestimate that he's in his mid 30's during TNBSA. So if we arbitrary put good old Bruce at 35 during "Legacy", as of "Secret Origins" he's been Batman for about 17 years.

WW has just started out as of "Secret Origins."

MM, though old, the majority of his experience is made up from his time fighting the invaders on Mars before their defeat and guarding their prison (500 years of which was spent in hibernation). So he's relatively new at the whole superhero thing.

Of course we don't even know how long Jon has been GL. Or how long Hawkgirl has been on Earth, and what kind of experience she has from her home world.

And all this is under the assumption that unless it contradicts something in JL, it still counts.


I love being a fanboy. :)