Teen Titans "Wavelength" Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

Arcturus

10-23-2004, 08:35 PM

Pretty good episode, though I thought the beginning was a little drawn out, as was the squid fight. Really loved the Brother Blood vs Cyborg fight, you could see Cyborg was getting dominated with some of the moves Brother Blood was pulling (neo style wrist flick punch, jamming his finger through his armor). I'm also quite happy Bumblebee isn't voiced by the VA from Kids Next Door, she seems to voice every black female on cartoon network. Guys working on JLU should take a lesson from Titans in working CG in, some definetly impressive moments (tidal wave, explosion).

Glad to see things are coming into play for Titans East. Bumblebee being a double agent and Aqualad getting a communicator

Killtacular

10-23-2004, 08:38 PM

This episode was a good mix of comedy and action. I wouldn't mind seeing more of it. Seems like they're trying to force a "black superhero and black superheroine bound to become more than friends" subplot though.

LOTTO Animation continues to prove they're the best studio for the job. Seriously, is there any episode done by them that doesn't look good? I must know.

I like the use of foreshadowing in the "time to go" scene.

In summary, Ben Jones is a pretty great director.

MuscaDomestica

10-23-2004, 08:42 PM

. I'm also quite happy Bumblebee isn't voiced by the VA from Kids Next Door, she seems to voice every black female on cartoon network. .

And other chartoon characters... makes the ads for Drawn Together even more surreal.

Brother Blood in the comics is a cult leader who has no connection to H.I.V.E, he is a major thorn in the Titan's side, constantly trying to get his cult protected as a religion. Has control of the media so he excells at making the titans look bad... even if his name is Brother Blood (his seconds in command have simular type names). I think he is 600 years old and bathes in the blood of his enemies to keep his youth.

Has a skull mask and no sense of humor in the comic.

Duke

10-23-2004, 08:44 PM

LOTTO Animation continues to prove they're the best studio for the job. Seriously, is there any episode done by them that doesn't look good? I must know.
Which episodes were done by them?

Xtreme

10-23-2004, 08:46 PM

Awesome episode, with cool action and great animation. The fighting scenes were to love. I liked the return of Aqualad. Liked to see Bumblebee, she's a cool spy/hero.It had the funny moments like always. By the way, Dr. Light looks much cooler now, after 2 seasons.

Bubblegum Girl

10-23-2004, 08:46 PM

That was an awesomw episode.(I don't see why so many people hate Cyborg episodes...) Blood was so cool. Bumble Bee was awesome too. Boy did Cyborg really wanted to get Blood(Just like with Robin & Slade. ;) ). I twas nice to see Aqualad again.

Arcturus

10-23-2004, 08:48 PM

Which episodes were done by them?
Red X for one. Mostly any with a really well animated fight can be attributed to Lotto; easy way to spot their stuff is to look for motion blur during fights.

Captain Zechs

10-23-2004, 08:49 PM

Glad to see things are coming into play for Titans East. Bumblebee being a double agent and Aqualad getting a communicator

yes I was glad to see that starting as well. I liked this episode good for Cyborg to get back at Brother Blood and vice versa. I found it halarious when Raven said she would stay there and drown, yet she is my favorite cvharacter so I DIDN'T WANT HER TO DROWN. Starfire backflip into the water with joy was funny and also when BB kissed his butt LMAO!!!!!!!!!

9/10 all the way!

Killtacular

10-23-2004, 08:51 PM

Which episodes were done by them?
Previously? Haunted, X, Sum of His Parts, a few others. X is notably the most beautifully animated DCAU episode since.. well, I don't know, really.

Style

10-23-2004, 08:51 PM

This was a strange episode for me. Initially, it felt like it was going to be a high-action tale with no heart, (and, in Teen Titans, I prefer a small story with a lot of heart.) It was cool to see Aqualad again, especially when I wasn't expecting it, And Bumble Bee was very likeable.

Still, I kept wondering, deep in the show's heart, what was this episode really about? It was undeniable a Cyborg episode, and it started with an interesting twist for him. His blue prints being read by both Blood and Bee. When you think about this, it really is a violation of Cyborg's privacy. Probably more than we know. Infact, I would say the closest analogy would be if you were caught out naked in public on the same day that your diary became a national best seller, (without your consent, ofcourse.) And Cyborg seemed to become obsessive over, wanting to throttle Blood himself over the violation. When Robin points out that this isn't the best allocation of team resources, Cyborg really has a problem with it.

The handling of the Cyborg/Bumble Bee relationship is just weird. You really don't know how he feels about her. And the final line, after Robin says, "It's time to go," Cyborg says "I guess so." What is that supposed to mean? Does Cyborg want to leave the Teen Titans.

I suppose this goes into the show's problem with handling Cyborg. Now, I don't think he's a flat character, I think he's great. He's dedicated, sympathetic, a natural leader,(even if he didn't know it at first, see Final Exam,) and a Mechanical genius. It's just that, he gets all his best development when the shows aren't focused on him. It's a shame, because Cyborg-specific episodes just seem to flatten him out. I was really hoping that this season he'd get justice. And while there were hints of good ideas in this episode, it just didn't congeal into something meaningful. So it's strange. The episode tasted great going down, yet left me unsatisfied. Maybe "Titans East" will expand upon these ideas better.

Killtacular

10-23-2004, 08:56 PM

And the final line, after Robin says, "It's time to go," Cyborg says "I guess so." What is that supposed to mean? Does Cyborg want to leave the Teen Titans.
I assumed that's what they're implying.

Who would they replace him with though? That's a tough question to answer, I think.

Batman's Biggest Fan

10-23-2004, 08:56 PM

Is Cyborg gonna throw Robin out as leader?

Kasumi

10-23-2004, 08:57 PM

I'm also quite happy Bumblebee isn't voiced by the VA from Kids Next Door, she seems to voice every black female on cartoon network.[/spoiler]
Me too. That voice is so overused, it's not funny.

Anywho, I liked this episode so very much more than last week's. That one sucked. And I hate how everyone says Cyborg episodes suck. I'd probably get lots of backlash if I said Raven and Beast Boy episodes sucked :mad: . Truthfully I liked more Cyborg episodes than Raven and Beast Boy episodes combined.

Beast Boy kissing his own ass was great. And anime expressions on Brother Blood don't work at all. Bumblebee was okay, I guess. Her strength was very inconsistent. The animation was great. The best animated thing I've seen all week. Yes I'm serious. Nice seeing Cy obsessing over Brother Blood kind of stealing his mojo :D . And it seems the only time I like Raven is when she's being sarcastic and witty. Why can't she be like that all the time.

4 stars. Still can't beat Haunted. That was the best episode in my opinion.

Duke

10-23-2004, 08:58 PM

I do think Bumblebee and Cyborg will eventually get together, simply because of Cy's blueprints. She didn't invade his privacy like Brother Blood did, and I think he respects her for that.

Conekiller

10-23-2004, 09:00 PM

Maybe "Titans East" will expand upon these ideas better.
Titans East?! (I'm so behind on the loop :sweat: )

Killtacular

10-23-2004, 09:00 PM

Singularity

10-23-2004, 09:01 PM

"BumbleBee! Release the mind-controlled squid!"

Congratulations on destroying the little shred of seriousness left in your generic 'evil mastermind' persona.

Strollymonster

10-23-2004, 09:02 PM

Why didn't Aqualad just use his communicator, or at least just knock, instead of ripping their door down?

The CG was a bit unexpected, but well-done.

Cyborg had a crush on Jinx? Odd tastes...

Haha, BB can kiss his own ass.

Maybe Cyborg will leave...

Not a bad episode, but not overly great, either...***

Stickman

10-23-2004, 09:02 PM

I guess I'm with you, stly...

Except for the fact I just found this episode to be worse. Again. :shrug:

My main problem with "Wavelength" is that it way too predictable for me. I mean, really, was anyone here wrestling with themselves halfway through the show wondering if the Titans would be killed and the city destroyed?

I guess it wasn't so much the cop-out ending as it was the fact you could predict it from a mile away.

Killtacular

10-23-2004, 09:05 PM

I guess it wasn't so much the cop-out ending as it was the fact you could predict it from a mile away.
Why would you watch any superhero show, then, if you label any episode that ends with the day being saved as "predictable"?

Style

10-23-2004, 09:05 PM

Hmm, maybe I was being a little too hard on this ep. I suppose if the Cyborg character stuff brought up here is expanded in the season finale, Then this will prove to be a really great episode.

As far as Cyborg eps, I liked "Car Trouble," and while I thought "Sum of his Parts" and that one with Atlas had good Ideas, I sort of thought they didn't implement them as good as they could have been.

As for Brother Blood, he's just an *****hole. In that he's not the sort of villain that you love to hate, like Slade, Mad Mod, Mumbo Jumbo, Dr. Light, et al. He's just the sort of guy you just hate and you want to see the Titans stomp him fast and move on to more interesting villains. At least that's how I feel.

Duke Psychology

10-23-2004, 09:06 PM

i don't know why people hate Cyborg episodes. he's the most developed out of all the Titans. we know more about his past than we do about others (Robin not counting). this was a great episode. Brother Blood is cool and it's about time we have another cool recurring villain besides Slade. Bumblebee had a cliche personality, though, but otherwise, she was okay. Aqualad's return was a surprise and I liked him in this episode better than his debut and the tournament episode. all in all, a great episode of TT.

Rabi~en~Rose

10-23-2004, 09:09 PM

I didnt like Bumblebee or this weeks threat to the city I mean a tidalwave? before that it was a earthquake so whats next a super tornado? :confused: the bee girl just seemed lame and cheap I think Cyborg should have beat her easier :( it was a surprise to see Aqualad again but other then that a pretty boring episode

Xfox

10-23-2004, 09:10 PM

Great episode! Lots of cool action scenes and Brother Blood acting FAR cooler than he did in "Deception". Bumblebee was pretty cool (I didn't think I was going to like her) and I WAS right about Cyborg having a crush on Jinx. In your face, those that didn't believe me!

Some small problems I had-
-Arg! Why must we be subjected to Aqualad again??? And why did he rip off the Titans' front door? What an...well I won't say it.
-Beast Boy kissing his own butt? Ick, I never want to see that again!
-Mind controlled squid? With all the other cool stuff that happened, it was a bit of an awkward thing to have in there.
-What was wrong with Starfire in this episode? Was she high or something?

Overall though, I really dug this episode.

Style

10-23-2004, 09:12 PM

No seriously, if Aqualad, Speedy, and Bumblebee are all in Titans East, then who would replace Cyborg if he went to Titans East too? Unless they can pull a dues ex machina and revive Terra. Either way it'd be weird.. the intro animation would have to be changed... either to add all of TE or just to replace Cyborg.

I really hope they don't change things up until after season 4. I just can't see the Raven arc without Cy.

But I wonder how they will do Titans east? Will season four be mostly about the regular Titans, with say a couple of episodes about the Titans east, and maybe at least one team up episode? Maybe they'd all team up for the season finale?

I just hope they don't ship Cyborg eastward. But I suppose I could live with it if we still saw him now and then. But I think you're right, That if Cyborg goes east then Robin will remind Raven that she's supposed to be working on a way to revive Terra, so they can replenish their forces. (But I bet it would be like the comics, where she doesn't remember anything, or maybe only has vague memories of Beast Boy.)

Tea

10-23-2004, 09:13 PM

This episode had a very odd direction to me. We got to see BB kiss his own butt, an old man fight in spandex, a bee girl, a mind controlled squid (why is the idea of that so funny..), and the Titans ride in giant green whale's mouth.

Wow, Brother Blood. You're not exactly Slade material, are ya? You've been betrayed TWICE now.

"Is there anyone in my school who just comes to LEARN!?"

I was disappointed the Hive students were no where to be found but they'll show up sometime, I'm sure.

Bumble Bee is an alright character. So she keeps her strength even when becoming small?

I give it a 4/5.

Singularity

10-23-2004, 09:19 PM

we know more about his past than we do about others (Robin not counting). Raven. Starfire.

Duke

10-23-2004, 09:21 PM

Raven. Starfire.
We don't know much about Raven's past other than she comes from Azarath and hates her father.

Singularity

10-23-2004, 09:24 PM

...And what do we know of Cyborg? He was human. Shocking revelation, indeed.

Doomsday

10-23-2004, 09:25 PM

I'm surpise how hilarous this episode was. I died laughing when out of nowhere Starfire waved and Raven. Also Raven never been this funny before, rather wanted to drown then go inside BB again. Also the CG is really nice, TT now has animation and CG over JLU. Really the JLU needs the people that does the animation and CG for TT. Brother Blood is no Slade but he is better than some of the other TT villians. I feel bad for the guy, he got betrayed twice already and didn't see any of them coming. Nice to see some hints on the Titan East forming. Overall it was a great episode and I can't wait for the season finale to see how it ends. 4.5 stars, good stuff.

Style

10-23-2004, 09:25 PM

We don't know much about Raven's past other than she comes from Azarath and hates her father.
Based on what the series has given us, Starfire is the Titan who we know most about in reference to her backstory. Cyborg, Raven, and Robin have all had inferences and clues to their past, and we know nothing about Beast Boy.

I'm just starting to think the creators of this show are justifying not giving us back stories because they're assuming we've all dropped by Titanstower.com and brushed up on their backstories ourselves by now. ( I know I have...)

krazymed

10-23-2004, 09:27 PM

As far as origin stories go, I'm guessing they are being kept ambiguous for a reason. We don't need to know their entire history, just whatever is necessary for the story. Heck, we don't even know the name of the city they protect.

Arcturus

10-23-2004, 09:30 PM

I wonder if we'll ever see Doctor Light back in a real role considering his uh, indiscretions in Identity Crisis. I hope so though, he's a cool villain with some impressive powers.

Killtacular

10-23-2004, 09:35 PM

Fone Bone

10-23-2004, 09:36 PM

Good episode but as a Cyborg/Jinx shipper I was disappointed.

Starfire giggling while splashing in the water was a high point.

I like Brother Blood a lot.

I feel bad for Cyborg. I'd think about leaving the Titans too if I were in his boots.

Mind controlled squids make Fone Bone happy.

I was puzzled why the flesh taken out of Beast Boy's rump is the same color as his costume.

I can do without Aqualad and Bumblebee.

A nice episode. Good animation too. ****.

SterlingNorth

10-23-2004, 09:39 PM

[Commenting on Cree Summers' prevalence in VA-dom as the 'black girl'] Me too. That voice is so overused, it's not funny.
I know. Worse is that whenever I hear that particular voice, I first think Elmyra Duff from Tiny Toons/Animaniacs...

Killtacular

10-23-2004, 09:44 PM

I was puzzled why the flesh taken out of Beast Boy's rump is the same color as his costume.
Maybe it's his natural skin.

wrenchien

10-23-2004, 10:01 PM

Maybe it's his natural skin.

that would make sense, that's the color of his stripes when he's tiger, or spots when jaguar....

Merlin Missy

10-23-2004, 10:29 PM

I wonder if we'll ever see Doctor Light back in a real role considering his uh, indiscretions in Identity Crisis.Did anyone else get a little creeped out seeing him there on the screen? Anyone? *crickets*

Moving on, fun episode. Anything with Aqualad gets an extra star from me off the bat. (Wil Wheaton's blog is always more fun to read when he's working.) Is it bad that as soon as we met Bumblebee I was immediately struck with "Oh look. They're introducing Cy's love interest now." Which kills my last vestiges of hope for Cy/Raven. *moment o' silence for another sunken 'ship*

The husband was amused (or possibly shocked, it was a little hard to tell) by BB's um, well-placed kiss.

**** 1/2

MM:)

Chosen Raven

10-23-2004, 10:38 PM

I gotta say, I didn't really like this episode. I don't really like Cyborg episodes in general, but this one could have been great. Instead, I feel that Cyborg got cheated. First he gets the crap beat out of him by the annoyingly PC Bumblebee(something that should not have happened). Then he gets the crap beat out of him by Brother Blood. Finally, Bumblebee saves him and actually fights equally with Blood. The latter really diminishes Blood as a villian for me. I mean, come on, when last we saw him, Blood easily blocked a super powered up version of Cyborg's arm cannon. He looked like he'd be a great villian. Then suddenly he's getting knocked around by one of his students(she managed to get two hits on him while he got zero on her). Cyborg got cheated out of his fight with his villian(nobody would want to see Slade beat up by Aqualad, right?).

The animation in this episode was superb, however. The cg actually enhanced the viewing experience. Didn't expect that. Very nice.

And count me as a Cyborg/Jinx shipper. Just so you know.

One more thing, is Bumblebee a knock off of the Wasp or vice versa? They have the exact same powers. Which came first, comic wise?

Duke Psychology

10-23-2004, 10:45 PM

...And what do we know of Cyborg? He was human. Shocking revelation, indeed.
he was in an accident (though that's pretty obvious), he used to be an athlete, he dropped out of high school. That's more than we know about the others (again, not counting Robin). all we know about Raven is that she's from Azarath and she hates her father like another poster said. we know Starfire was a princess and that's it. we know nothing about Beast Boy.

Cyborg is the only character's whose innermost feelings have been prevelent next to Raven. so, yeah, i'm upset when people say Cyborg episodes are bad because i feel he is the second most developed character followed by Robin, but preceeded by Raven. Starfire and Beast Boy have virtually no development (sure bringup Terra, but BB doesn't seem to remember that.:rolleyes: )

n8twing

10-23-2004, 11:01 PM

<<I'm just starting to think the creators of this show are justifying not giving us back stories because they're assuming we've all dropped by Titanstower.com and brushed up on their backstories ourselves by now. ( I know I have...)>>

Heh. That post made my day. Thanks!

To be fair, they've folded quite a bit of backstory as we've gone along. I think Beast Boy is the least developed there-- because his spotlight eps seem to deal with the 'here and now'-- no refs to his backstory at all really.

Oh, and Wasp came before Bumblebee by at least 10 years. But in the comics, Bumblebee does not have shrinking powers.

I REALLY liked this episode! They really knocked the story arc into the next phase. Season Three's arc is more action-oriented/science-fiction -- so I'm expecting action-sci-James-Bond-- and they delivered!

And Bumblebee is another cool addition to the growing cast of allies.

Duke

10-23-2004, 11:05 PM

Cyborg is the only character's whose innermost feelings have been prevelent next to Raven. so, yeah, i'm upset when people say Cyborg episodes are bad because i feel he is the second most developed character followed by Robin, but preceeded by Raven. Starfire and Beast Boy have virtually no development (sure bringup Terra, but BB doesn't seem to remember that.:rolleyes: )
Even if it is development, that doesn't automatically mean an episode is good.

jaug

10-23-2004, 11:09 PM

Well I can see this was fun episode. I enjoyed having Aqualad in the episode and well I like Brother Blood. He dosen't quite have all his bases covered like Slade but he has been good villian for the most part. I take him seriously more then say Mad Mod.(Who I enjoy for comic value.) I enjoyed the plot and pretty much the way they made Cyborg feel so self conscious about his blue prints. Also I LOVED the Cyborg had a crush on JinX. I thought htat was funny. Albiet if she is still possible love interest for Cyborg he has choice of girl who takes her make up tips from Harley Quinn or girl who glies with bug wings. O_O Some interesting options for hor a half man/machine guy. XD oOverall a fun episode which they did excellent job in telling fun action story. It balanced out well for the pure crack that was the Mad Mod episode last week.

Jaug

Captain Zechs

10-23-2004, 11:11 PM

Me too. That voice is so overused, it's not funny.

Anywho, I liked this episode so very much more than last week's. That one sucked. And I hate how everyone says Cyborg episodes suck. I'd probably get lots of backlash if I said Raven and Beast Boy episodes sucked :mad: . Truthfully I liked more Cyborg episodes than Raven and Beast Boy episodes combined.

Beast Boy kissing his own ass was great. And anime expressions on Brother Blood don't work at all. Bumblebee was okay, I guess. Her strength was very inconsistent. The animation was great. The best animated thing I've seen all week. Yes I'm serious. Nice seeing Cy obsessing over Brother Blood kind of stealing his mojo :D . And it seems the only time I like Raven is when she's being sarcastic and witty. Why can't she be like that all the time.

4 stars. Still can't beat Haunted. That was the best episode in my opinion.

RAVEN EPISODES ROCK!! THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE DISSAPOINTING EPISODE OF HERS I THINK THEY NEED MORE!!!....psh talking bad about raven

Signifier

10-23-2004, 11:18 PM

Damn. Who the hell did this episode? It was almost better than X. When Brother Blood was watching Cyborg fight Bumble Bee, my jaw was hanging. That was some of the most interesting animation I've ever seen on Cartoon Network... seeing Blood and Cyborg's reaction to the same event, that was nuts. The close-ups of Cyborg, the smashing feet, all dynamic.

The fight between Brother Blood and Cyborg was incredible too. Blood is now officially way cooler than Slade... that suit he was wearing underneath the robes was just too awesome.

Beast Boy's reaction to getting his ass bitten was funny. Not hilarious, but hearing him say "booty" was pretty great. Bumble Bee was a let down... cliche, monotonous, boring. Comment about Jinx was interesting, though. Interaction between her and Cyborg was not. Cyborg's line at the end, of course, was.

I don't know what 'team' or 'company' did this episode, but it's the only team that CN should have doing Teen Titans. The animation was overwhelming... even the little stuff like the static effect on Cyborg, Starfire backflipping into the water, etc. I wish every TT episode was like this. Animation wise, it makes episodes like "Switched" and "Spellbound" look like garbage.

Kasumi

10-23-2004, 11:19 PM

So judging by some posts, I guess I'm the only Jynx/Cyborg/Raven fan. Shame. Yay threesomes love triangles!

Originally posted by Captain Zecs
RAVEN EPISODES ROCK!! THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE DISSAPOINTING EPISODE OF HERS I THINK THEY NEED MORE!!!....psh talking bad about raven Your yelling at me so makes me want to believe you :rolleyes:. Nevermore was her only good episode to me. And you could at least post your opinion over the episode instead of telling me my opinion's wrong because I don't like Raven. Love how you completely left out Beast Boy there too. Next time you want to yell at me, yell up a good argument. Please and thank you.

Conekiller

10-23-2004, 11:29 PM

Isn't it Jump City?
That's what they call in in the comics based off the cartoon....

I can't say i ever recall hearing the name in the show, they usually jsut refer to it as "the city" (how very Tick-like of them :D )

Swonker

10-23-2004, 11:37 PM

A very nice episode, if I say so myself. Fight scenes were excellent, the Cy/Bu fight got a little odd after Bumblebee shrank, though, still great. Loved Raven's comment on having to go back in BB's mouth.

"I'd rather just stay here and drown."

The CGI animation was terrific, a feat which JLU has yet to accomplish. :D

Overall, great episode, but am I the only one who noticed the homeage to the comics with the H.I.V.E. soldiers' uniforms?

Anon190

10-23-2004, 11:43 PM

Wow, T'Keyah Keymáh is more talented than I gave her credit for. Did you know, she's the lady who plays Raven's MOM on "That's So Raven"? Creepiness. o.o; Then again, David Odgen Stiers did play Cogsworth for Beauty and the Beast. I'm just waiting for Alan Alda to pop up in voice acting somewhere.

AND WIL WHEATON PLAYS AQUALAD?!! I should have known this before. I should have noticed. *headdesk* Now whenever I watch Star Trek I'll be thinking Aqualad. Joy.

Anyway, on to the episode.

This was fantastic! The animation was wonderful (yay for Lotto!), Starfire was adorable, all the Titans were amazing (WET HAIR ROBIN), heck I loved it all! ^^ I couldn't find anything bad - except for the CGI, but I don't like CGI, so it doesn't count. Five stars.

Anon190

10-23-2004, 11:45 PM

I don't know what 'team' or 'company' did this episode, but it's the only team that CN should have doing Teen Titans. The animation was overwhelming... even the little stuff like the static effect on Cyborg, Starfire backflipping into the water, etc. I wish every TT episode was like this. Animation wise, it makes episodes like "Switched" and "Spellbound" look like garbage.
Well, Switched always looked like garbage. Lotto did this one, X, Haunted, and I think Sum Of His Parts. Dong Woo did Revolution. Compare and contrast.

JDNobodi

10-23-2004, 11:55 PM

I have the feeling after today episode we are going to animated avatars of Beast Boy spitting out Raven's boot or Beast Boy kissing his butt.:rolleyes: Starfire sure was having fun today.

Fledgling

10-24-2004, 02:03 AM

Did anyone else get a little creeped out seeing him there on the screen? Anyone? *crickets*

I saw Dr. Light and thought, "looks like he finally recovered from Nevermore". I noticed he had extra improved gauntlets--looks like he's overcompensating...

Moving on, fun episode. Anything with Aqualad gets an extra star from me off the bat. (Wil Wheaton's blog is always more fun to read when he's working.) Is it bad that as soon as we met Bumblebee I was immediately struck with "Oh look. They're introducing Cy's love interest now." Which kills my last vestiges of hope for Cy/Raven. *moment o' silence for another sunken 'ship*

I'm going down with that ship myself, and though this episode and the end of Spellbound definately put holes it, I don't think they're at the waterline yet. I think it is funny though, that Cyborg has gone from the guy with no hints at romance, to a Cassinova in two episodes.
Stone's nickname must've been Ladykiller at the Academy...:sweat:
I think Cyborg/Bumblebee could go either way: they could end up brotherly/sisterly (certainly the banter between them lent to it), or more than that. If it does hint to the latter, my respect for the show will go down a notch (the message being sent: Jinx notwithstanding, Cyborg can only find a deep relationship with a girl of similar skin tone.)

My own Random Thoughts:

This episode was terrific.
There were some classic lines handed out in this one, such as Beast Boy's "Dude--you got schooled" line to Aqualad, Raven's Breath Mint line, (followed by Beast Boy burping up her boot :D I was howling!) and her I'd rather drown response to a repeat trip. I liked the Cy/Bumblebee banter--rather reminiscent of Beast Boy and Aqualad in Deep Six(except those two didn't get into mano-a-mano combat of course):
"If that had been a real fight you'd have been beeswax."
"You thought it was a real fight.":D

I think they did an excellent job translating Bumblebee to the small screen. She's got a full-rounded arsonal of tricks that won't be added to the next episode we see her (coughRavencough) and is enough to justify her as an independent operating heroine, able to rely on herself.
Doesn't mean she won't be willing to band with other heroes though (Titans East).

So now we know why Slade had all those robots--loyal underlings are so hard to find... :p

...is it just me, but the one episode where I expected to see The Annoying One, Jinx and Mammoth; and we only get Jinx's name dropped...???

I know they chiblified Brother Blood in Deception (when he chewed out Giz, Jinx and Mammoth), but his physical thing when he asked if anyone came to his school to learn was a little over-the-top for me.

Brother Blood's fight suit was most impressive. I didn't expect him to be a hand-to-hand smackdown artist. I was expecting more an Emperor Palpitine, and I felt I got the Emperor and Darth Sidious.

Very effective cliff hanger line. Sewed just enough doubt about where Cyborg wants to be. I think it's also interesting that as obsessed as Robin gets about Slade, the only time he threatened to leave about it was in Haunted, and only because the other Titans were not only ineffectual, they were getting in the way.
As much as Cy growls about his "spikey-haired" leader, they are more similar than I think he'd like to admit...

Swonker

10-24-2004, 02:42 AM

we know nothing about Beast Boy.

Which is why I want an episode with a Robotman cameo.

Ultra8

10-24-2004, 03:44 AM

An excellant episode.:D We get the return of Aqualad, Bumblebee's debut, and a smackdown between Cy and Brother Blood with unforseen results,:eek: dude can fight and really good. Wasn't expecting that from a guy in a bathrobe.
A++

"Release the Giant mind controlled Squid!"
Classic.:anime:

Fone Bone

10-24-2004, 08:58 AM

Maybe it's his natural skin.Doesn't explain why his cut open flesh was purple. Maybe he's part Klingon.

Slane

10-24-2004, 09:43 AM

Doesn't explain why his cut open flesh was purple. Maybe he's part Klingon.
I just figured that the animators decided to ignore logic and just imply that his outfit is part of his body; therefore, you cut out a chunk of his "suit," and that's all you get: his suit. Plus, it avoided having his bare green butt shown.

...Or maybe it was a reference to the Doom Patrol when Beast Boy disguised himself with purple body make-up.

[Review later when I can actually watch the whole episode.]

Classic Speedy

10-24-2004, 10:18 AM

I was sorta "half-watching" this episode because I was talking with someone through the first half, but from what I saw, it was pretty good. I liked the bit with everyone inside Beast-Boy-as-a-whale's mouth (including chibi flailing!) and later, Raven's line about doing it again: "I'd rather just stay here and drown." Action-wise, there were some good fight scenes and that tidal wave before the commercial garnered quite the suspense.

Slane

10-24-2004, 10:30 AM

I saw Dr. Light and thought, "looks like he finally recovered from Nevermore". I noticed he had extra improved gauntlets--looks like he's overcompensating...
Check out the "Sleepwalk" oekaki comic arch by Rina Cat; it gives some insight into how Light would react to seeing the Titans again. :D

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/10421819/

Tykazi

10-24-2004, 12:36 PM

So judging by some posts, I guess I'm the only Jynx/Cyborg/Raven fan. Shame. Yay threesomes love triangles!

:D

There was some really great moments in this episode, but I agree with some of you that Cyborg was cheated. He's a good character, but his episodes always come out like s***. I was not fond of Bumblebee at all. There are so many other cool characters in TT, I have to wonder why they chose her. *Where's Wonder Girl!?* I doubt the line at the end is supposed to mean Cyborg's going to leave the team. He's one of the five main-stay characters, so I have a hard time believing he's going anywhere. Maybe he just plans on blasting Robin's ass and telling him what's up. BOOYAH! Ok, I'll stop that now.

Did anyone else think Starfire was tripping hardcore in this episode? I could just imagine her going, "Raven, I can see you...but...I can't....whoa...see you...I'm so high right now...."

Hero Supreme

10-24-2004, 12:51 PM

so, what normally happens to BBs costume when he transforms? Maybe the "costume" is actually his skin?

Master Moron

10-24-2004, 01:08 PM

Snailbait

10-24-2004, 01:19 PM

It wasn't half bad. I liked Bumblebee alright, I just didn't like her shrinking ability. Overall, pretty good episode, but mostly because of Bumblebee's bigger part.

OmegaPaladin

10-24-2004, 01:25 PM

Did anyone else think Starfire was tripping hardcore in this episode? I could just imagine her going, "Raven, I can see you...but...I can't....whoa...see you...I'm so high right now...."
It probably would'n't be hard for her, she would probably get high off of some common item with her alien physiology.....

"Starfire, put the cinnamon DOWN!"

Eddy

10-24-2004, 02:25 PM

I like the idea of Cyborg/Jinx more-so than Cyborg/Bumble Bee, so I wasn't too crazy for Bumble Bee and her cliche lines. It was funny to hear Cyborg had a big crush on Jinx, though.

Hmm, Aqualad is back. At least this time around they didn't have Raven go all OOC and start swooning over him.

Raven's "I'd rather just stay here and drown" line was hillarious and I don't know whether to find Beast Boy's booty kiss funny or just plain creepy.

About delving into the characters pasts, maybe "The Beast Within" will tell more about Beast Boy.

Kurtman

10-24-2004, 02:33 PM

My god,I had to miss the saturday episode AGAIN! I only saw about 10 minutes of it when my mom forced me to watch the world series baseball game! Baseball sucks! The episode looked kinda cool. I guess I will have to watch the entire episode today at 10:00 P.M.

Singularity

10-24-2004, 03:07 PM

all we know about Raven is that she's from Azarath and she hates her father like another poster said.
Her father's a demon.

we know Starfire was a princess and that's it.
She has a sister named Blackfire, and a childhood nanny named Galfore. She's an alien from Tamaran. Her species goes through transformations during puberty.

Anarky

10-24-2004, 04:00 PM

cool ep

I guess the writers are putting Slade on the backburner for now and Brother Blood & the HIVE are the primary foes this Season.

also, Blood was headed East (hence the finale Titans East...but is that East Coast USA or the Far East like Japan???)

also, it seems Cy is growing weary of Robin's bossiness. Is Cy considering leaving the team??? We'll just have to wait to see how this drama unfolds.

i think next wkd is the last new ep for awhile. ):-(

Anon190

10-24-2004, 04:28 PM

also, it seems Cy is growing weary of Robin's bossiness. Is Cy considering leaving the team??? We'll just have to wait to see how this drama unfolds.

i think next wkd is the last new ep for awhile. ):-(
Cyborg is definitely getting sick of Robin being the leader. Think about it - he's a spiky-haired, traffic-light-wearing, bossy, overobsessive, (compared to Cy) midget. Both Cyborg and Robin are natural leaders. There's going to be some tension, and whoever cracks first...

Solitude1

10-24-2004, 05:35 PM

Wow is all I have to say to this ep. Like Matt said, it was a perfect blend of comedy and action. Amazing.

Teen Titans=Best animated fighting scenes on television. :cool: Cy VS BumB. was good but, Blood VS Cy was excellent. I definately got a Sith feel from seeing Blood in that costume and using his powers.

I really do love Brother Blood. Honestly, he is such a quirky villian. Slade was all serious which was ok but Blood is out to destroy and have fun with it. I really hope this isn't the only season we see him in.

Bumblebee......ugh. I hate her voice actress. She just sounds...so childish. Like an 8-yr old. And talk about cliched...another independent strong black chick who talks smack. Like a bad ep of Living Single. But maybe I'm being too harsh....

...nah. Get Bumblebee some decent lines and I may be able to stand her....may. :shrug:

If the writers try to play a BBee and Cy relationship I'm going to be pissed. Seriously. Cy and Jinx just seems like it could play better to plot. A hero in love with a villian. So many aspects you could go with that...

"It just might me be"......UH-OH! :eek: Titans East can't come soon enough...

jackofficer

10-24-2004, 05:42 PM

IF you ask me, you can really say that Brother Blood and Slade are very similar. There are some clear differences, though. I find that Slade is much more seirou, caluculative, logical; while Brother Blood is more emotional, grandiose, and has a little less subtlety. And Slade has no absolutely no powers, while Brother Blood seems to have some.

Style

10-24-2004, 07:38 PM

:D

Did anyone else think Starfire was tripping hardcore in this episode? I could just imagine her going, "Raven, I can see you...but...I can't....whoa...see you...I'm so high right now...."
I think that maybe she discovered the earthly joys of kool-aid but hasne't mastered the art of sugar-portioning. That's why she was a bit hyper.

Greg

10-24-2004, 07:50 PM

I have the feeling after today episode we are going to animated avatars of Beast Boy spitting out Raven's boot or Beast Boy kissing his butt.:rolleyes:
You just might--never can tell! ;) :D

Anyway, I thought this was an excellent episode--the animation was absolutely first rate! And the CGI looked really cool! Lotto rocks!

This episode was a good mix of comedy and action. I wouldn't mind seeing more of it.
I'll second that!, third it even!

Seems like they're trying to force a "black superhero and black superheroine bound to become more than friends" subplot though.
I don't think that would be such a bad thing. About time he had his own girlfriend! ;)

I like the use of foreshadowing in the "time to go" scene.

I wouldn't be surprised to see cyborg leave and head up Titan's East when the time comes. He seemed a little put out having to do things Robin's way---of course you could understand why he'd have a personal vendetta against Blood and want to take him down himself, seeing as how Brother B stole Cyborg's technology and to a great extent-- his privacy.

I think Bumblebee will make a good ally for the Titans....that girl can really kick some butt! And she seems pretty smart, too!

Bumblebee would have been cooler if she wasn't a walking cliché ("there's not a man alive that can tell ME what to do" pshhh )
I was thinking the exact same thing! I couldn't believe she said that!

Liked the dialogue from inside the belly of the beast(boy):

Cyborg: "Tell me we're not where I think we are!"
Starfire: "I know BeastBoy's action saved our lives, but I am still.....grossed out!"

and two from Raven:

"Two words: breath mints!!" and "I think I'll just stay here and drown!"

On that same note, it was good to see BB save the Titan's from a watery fate this time around. Last time, Aqualad kind of stole his thunder!

Redi

10-24-2004, 11:00 PM

Mister Intensity

10-24-2004, 11:06 PM

I liked how they built up the Robin/Cyborg tension from Divide and Conquer and Atlas (which I see as a Robin/Cyborg episode). It will see how things play out in the future.

Mister Intensity

All-Star 1.5

10-24-2004, 11:11 PM

Cyborg is got a raw deal with Blood.

Also, I thought Raven/Cyborg would be great...but instead he's getting set up with cliche-girl. :rolleyes: ...afropuffs haven't been in retro style since Lady of Rage in the earlier 90s.

I'm undecided on what to rate this episode.
Now come is Bumblebee any more cliche then Raven,Starfire, or a majority of villians and heros that appear. And seeing as how this series takes place in the in what seems like the 80s' and seeing as how this episode was sort of a James Bond tribute I don't think the afro puffs were out of style.

Redi

10-24-2004, 11:20 PM

Now come is Bumblebee any more cliche then Raven,Starfire, or a majority of villians and heros that appear. And seeing as how this series takes place in the in what seems like the 80s' and seeing as how this episode was sort of a James Bond tribute I don't think the afro puffs were out of style.
...she's cliche because of lines like "no man can tame me" or whatever. Plus, afro puffs? C'mon. I haven't seen a girl in afro puffs since 1994.

Fledgling

10-24-2004, 11:21 PM

Now come is Bumblebee any more cliche then Raven,Starfire, or a majority of villians and heros that appear. And seeing as how this series takes place in the in what seems like the 80s' and seeing as how this episode was sort of a James Bond tribute I don't think the afro puffs were out of style.

I'll agree with the cliche comment, though I'd extend it to the Titan guys as well: the group clown has to know his history via a cerial box... ;)
...And the puffs sort of look like an insect's compound eyes. We are talking about someone called Bumblebee, remember? :sweat:

Tykazi

10-24-2004, 11:28 PM

Well, I watched this episode again, (It was on and I had nothing to do) and I have to say I've changed my mind. That final scene with Cyborg is a harsh foreshadowing that he's probably going to leave, which makes me sad cause I like him. He is kind of a glue between the differing personalities.

Bystander

10-25-2004, 12:02 AM

Tykazi

10-25-2004, 12:04 AM

Was anyone else creeped out by the fact that Cyborg tried to step on Bumblebee, I know he thought she was a badguy but that still was wasy too sadistic a thing for a good guy to do. That the kind of thing Ant-Man's enemies kept trying to do to him, as a matter a fact half of the covers of books starring him showed him on the floor insect size with some villain towering over him about to step on him.
Yes I did. I couldn't help but wonder if Cyborg was aware that if you crush someone, they die...a simple fact of life buddy. Superheros aren't allowed to kill people (or so they say...).

Mr. Pedro

10-25-2004, 12:06 AM

Loved it. Awesome fights and quick laughs. Blood is a badass.

Probably my favorite episode of season 3 thus far (edging out "X" and "Revolution").

Grade: A

Kurtman

10-25-2004, 01:32 AM

Just saw the whole thing. It was pretty good in my oppinion. Brother Blood was quite tough and so was Bumblebee!

90'sCartoonMan

10-25-2004, 02:18 AM

This episode came just in time (my friend got my a Cyborg bobble-head for my birthday).

I liked the action, Brother Blood's got some tough fighting skills.

Poor Cyborg, I think he could've taken Bumblebee.

I've been waiting for a Cyborg/Jinx romance since "Deception". I mean, a hero/villain romance in Titans isn't completely unheard of ::cough::RoyHarper::cough:: Plus I'd like to see more of Jinx. I'd rather have him with her than, say, Raven, but either of them beats Bumblebee (not that I don't like her, I just don't want to see her paired with Cyborg).

Lastly, Cyborg really hates Robin's spikey hair, doesn't he? Maybe he's jealous he somehow lost his hair (unlike his comic book counterpart).

noahrave

10-25-2004, 06:00 AM

...she's cliche because of lines like "no man can tame me" or whatever. Plus, afro puffs? C'mon. I haven't seen a girl in afro puffs since 1994.

Bubblebee must have been went to the same hair stylist as Static's foe, Puff from Static Shock (girl who can take form of gas and create different types of gases)

tucsoncoyote

10-25-2004, 06:26 AM

After finally Catching Wavelength both nights I have to say that all in all this wasn't a bad episode to say the least..

First off the Return of Aqualad...(Seems the Titans toseed some garbage out into the ocean and Aqualad didn't like it.. (as it was it was the Hive's Brother blood and he had done something really up there in the 9 on the Evil scale..)

but what's even better is the introduction of Bumblebee in this ep, and in fact her and Cyborg having their "Mock" fight (For Brother B's enjoyment) was cool until we find out she's working as a spy.. (Bumblebee rocks and would be a great Titan... Bring her back guys!

The funniest moment? Beast Boy being bitten by a mecha-pirahhna, and then kissing his own hiney... (Oh well BB, that's the way the fish bites!) that and Raven wanting to go down with "The Base"...BLUB...at least her comment should have been the line of the night...

Raven (To Beast Boy): Two words... Breath Mints...

but all in all this one was well done, and i have to say that the fight sequences give this a solid 4 stars alone.. the introduction and re-introduction of characters give this the other half star... The only problem I had was .. WHere were the other Hive members? (All I saw was hive guards, Bumblebee, and in fact Brotherblood, poor form to not have even another Hive student there.. oh well final score on this tsunami (or is it toonami?) breaking performance.. 4.5 out of 5 stars

:coyote:

lostrune

10-25-2004, 07:00 AM

1. Heheh. Robin pushed off Cyborg's flame (anime) background. And Starfire was so giddy. :anime:

2. Wow, that Teen Titan sub really is useless. It hasn't done anything yet but get destroyed. :p

3. So, Cyborg reciprocated Jinx's crush? :o

4. Heheh. Cyborg wasn't moving like a butterfly but getting stung by a Bee. Having his butt pounded by a small fairy - that'd be embarrassing for his Justice League resume! :eek:

4b. Thought at the time: Hmmm... wonder why they decided she's black... quite rare around these parts..... Are they doing this just to present another token minority character?
Much later in the ep: Ooooooh. They're pairing those up, that's why! :sweat:

5. Haha! Beast Boy sure proved one can kiss his own butt! :D

6. Brother Blood: "Surf's up!" (with the finger thingy) :crying:

7. Whoa! Let's do kung-fu fighting! Even Bro Blood got some moves! (Following on the footsteps of the new Joker and Penguin.) Who will wins: Slade vs. Bro Blood?! Hmmm... that reminds me.... ;)

8. Heh, Raven would rather drown than experience BB's hygiene again. :ack:

Yengwa

10-25-2004, 09:17 AM

Beat Boy kissing his but was funny, Raven's comments were funny, Starfire's weirdness was funny, but the funniest thing of all was the MIND CONTROL SQUID.

Kurtman

10-25-2004, 10:12 AM

Beat Boy kissing his but was funny, Raven's comments were funny, Starfire's weirdness was funny, but the funniest thing of all was the MIND CONTROL SQUID.
Mind Controlled Squids are VERY funny! Squids are quite funny in general!

Yengwa

10-25-2004, 10:35 AM

It was very ridiculous. It seemed kinda out of character for Brother Blood.

Fone Bone

10-25-2004, 11:15 AM

Now come is Bumblebee any more cliche then Raven,Starfire, or a majority of villians and heros that appear. And seeing as how this series takes place in the in what seems like the 80s' and seeing as how this episode was sort of a James Bond tribute I don't think the afro puffs were out of style.Teen Titans takes place in the present day.

I didn't like Bumblebee. If she was just created to flirt with Cyborg, she's a useless character. Like Redi said she's a walking cliche.

creativerealms

10-25-2004, 12:07 PM

Good episode but I have a bit disapointed with how Bumble bee was not under Blood's control. They could have given us a better reason then a crappy "No man can control me" line. Still besides that it was a good episode. Can't wait for Titan's East.

SimonMoon5

10-25-2004, 12:14 PM

Could some of you Comic Fans give us a rundown on <snip> Bumblebee too, if you don't mind.

http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/bumble.html

Or, in other words:

Stupid hair puffs? No.
Shrinking power? No.
Bare face? No.
Big stinger things that have to be held? No.
Incredible strength and fighting ability? No.

The comics Bumblebee just has a suit she invented that lets her fly and project blasts. And she's got a cool mask with insect eyes.

Conekiller

10-25-2004, 12:55 PM

http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/bumble.html

Or, in other words:

Stupid hair puffs? No.
Shrinking power? No.
Bare face? No.
Big stinger things that have to be held? No.
Incredible strength and fighting ability? No.

The comics Bumblebee just has a suit she invented that lets her fly and project blasts. And she's got a cool mask with insect eyes.
I prefer her Toon design over the Comics verson. (tho I really would like some kind of explanation as to where all these kids are getting powers) It was her personality and dialogue that was off. The only thing that would have made her more cliché was if she was voiced by Cree Summer. And I don't like that they seemd to choose a black person to "pair up" with Cyborg. Untill that point we had a pretty good variety in skin colors (White, Black, Green, Orange, and Grey-ish. Terra was kinda tanned) So wahat's so wrong with a multi-racial relationship anyway!? Who cares if a black guy guy goes out with a grey chick (goes for Raven or Jinx)

oneeyemonkeypie

10-25-2004, 03:55 PM

I was a little surprised. Considering the show as a whole, the last line did more for the plot than the previous 29 9/10 minutes.

Personally, I don't see how Cyborg could possibly leave the titans. They have had the same intro for like 4 seasons, why would they do something to change it? Besides, Cyborg is a very stable character. It would be hard to prune him from the show. They did it earlier and the whole cast pretty much shut down without him. I'm guessing they did it to introduce tension into the cast and provide future material for a power struggle episode. Does anyone actually believe he could leave the titans?

I hated the fact that other than shutting the device down he was functionally useless in this ep.: he's my fav. male character. I wanted to see him kick ass. But the animation was jaw dropping and I loved both red angry Cy and up cose techy-looking Cy.

Style

10-25-2004, 05:23 PM

also, it seems Cy is growing weary of Robin's bossiness. Is Cy considering leaving the team??? We'll just have to wait to see how this drama unfolds.

Cyborg is definitely getting sick of Robin being the leader. Think about it - he's a spiky-haired, traffic-light-wearing, bossy, overobsessive, (compared to Cy) midget. Both Cyborg and Robin are natural leaders. There's going to be some tension, and whoever cracks first...

I liked how they built up the Robin/Cyborg tension from Divide and Conquer and Atlas (which I see as a Robin/Cyborg episode). It will see how things play out in the future.
The funny thing is, back before the show premiered I thought there was going to be this ongoing tension between the two, because that's what the promos made it look like. However, that was just trumping up the events of "Divide and Conquer."

Since that time, I look at the show, and I see a deep friendship and respect between the two, I don't think there's this ongoing tension. In "Final Exam," when Raven informs Starfire and Cyborg that Robin is missing, Cyborg takes it very personally, blaming himself for what happened to Robin. "If only I'd been there..." In Divide and conquer, Robin goes into Cyborg's room and looks at a picture of the two of them, framed on a shelf. That picture always suggested that it might be "pre-Titans," and that the two of them had been friends before the group even formed. In that episode, even though neither of them wound up having to apologize, Cyborg was prepared to, and captured Cinderblock to smooth things over. In Atlas, Robin is the only one Cyborg confides in about what's really bothering him. And in Haunted, Cyborg is the one who tries to reassure Robin that Slade is gone.

So, I don't think there's this ongoing tension between them. Although, Cyborg does acknowledge Robin's faults. He rightly calls him "hypercompetitive," (even though Cyborg has displayed this fault himself to a degree. See "Atlas.")

Lastly, Cyborg really hates Robin's spikey hair, doesn't he? Maybe he's jealous he somehow lost his hair (unlike his comic book counterpart).

Heh, yeah, Cyborg has dragged out this little gem now and then. I would suppose that maybe he just finds it tacky or something. I know I do in real life, but Robin is a cartoon character, so it never bothered me. It might bother Cy though...

I just think Cyborg was upset because he thought Robin was being hypocritical in that moment. When Slade comes a-knockin', everybody had better get the hell out of Robin's way, or they'll end up in the crossfire. But Robin denies Cyborg his comuppence. Sure, Robin's point is valid, and if he let Cy go after Blood then that would mean Cy would have to tell the flaw in his sonic cannon system to someone else, which is likely something he wouldn't want to do given what's occured.

So, then why do I think Cy wants to leave? Well, hunting Blood with Bumble Bee is most of it, and in that moment he was probably still annoyed with Robin. But, given their history, that annoyance will pass. So, I think if Cy does leave, it would probably be because the Titans East need him, and to be near Bumble Bee as a secondary motive. There would be no bad blood between Him and Robin, but I imagine it would be a touchy send off from one leader to his former second in command, who now can lead himself.

At least, that's how I would prefer it. Shoe-horning in a Robin/Cyborg tension at this stage of the game, (especially when Robin was in the right,) would just not be a good way to write the characters.

oneeyemonkeypie

10-25-2004, 08:06 PM

I agree, Robin and Cyborg are best friends. that doesn't mean that there cant be any tension between them, tho. Also, that may have been a throwaway line for ratings. Maybe...

I don't like Bumblebee at all. And personally I saw really no attraction between Cyborg and her at all. I didn't think that she and Cyborg would ever end up together. I still don't think they would dump Cyborg and send him to titans east unless the show was to concentrate on only titans east from now on, with the others to act as a support group. Which I am loath to see happen. I just want Cy to stay with the others, and I see no reason for him not to.

Conekiller

10-25-2004, 10:11 PM

I missed the line about the flaw in Cy's arm cannon, what was it?

adoptedBatpuppy

10-25-2004, 10:42 PM

I liked this episode. I think Bumblebee and Cyborg will get to be frendlier by the end of season 3. Brother Blood is very strong. How did he obtain such strenght? :confused: It was nice to see Aqualad again. I wondered what happend to Gizmo, Jinx, and the other students from the HIVE Academy? How come Bumblebee is the only student who stuck around Brother Blood?

Mister Intensity

10-26-2004, 12:06 AM

Friends do tend to have tension with each other. One thing that I like about Teen Titans is that there is always little things going on between the lines where they don't necessarily devote an episode to but its there in various throwaway lines and moments that occasionally come up in a future episode and make you go, "aha, now that makes sense." There is this undercurrent of competition between Robin and Cyborg that occasionally come up. I also think there is some resentment, although I don't think Cyborg is the only one who feels that way.

Let's face it, Robin almost always gets his way. When Robin gets all angsty, all the Titans must stop and devote there time helping him resolve it but when the other Titans get angsty it tends to get glossed over by Robin until it becomes a big problem. This most recently happenned in Spellbound regarding Raven's isolation and Beast Boy is a powder keg waiting to blow. Sometimes, it is all about Robin and I have feeling that, although they love him, they resent playing second fiddle to Robin and his problems.

Mister Intensity

Swonker

10-26-2004, 12:14 AM

Brother Blood is very strong. How did he obtain such strenght? :confused:

The cult of Brother Blood is over 700 years old. It began when a Christian priest named Brother Sebastian came upon what may be the prayer shawl of Christ. Whatever it was, it gave him invulnerability and drastically slowed his aging process. In order to gain the shawl, Sebastian had to slay the priest that led the Crusade's armies to invade Zandia. With his dying breath, the rebel priest cursed Sebastian, saying that the son must slay the father before the father's 100th birthday. Ignoring the curse, Sebastian donned the mantle and declared himself Brother Blood. It was this Brother Blood who began the practice of bathing in blood.

That's how he got it in the comics. Might apply to the show, too. (Except the bathing in blood part.)

PaQ

10-26-2004, 08:30 PM

I liked this episode a lot, I thought it did a good job of mixing the humor with action and developed a pretty nice episode. Got to show a lot more of Bumblebee, and I thought her personality was perfect to counteract with how Cyborg was going into this mission. He seemed to be really mad at Brother Blood using his technology like he did, her attitude really balanced well with Cyborg.

Another thing I liked about the episode was how it made Brother Blood look pretty powerful. I didn't really see much of that in his previous episode, so obviously this was a welcome sight. He seems pretty formidable now, the strength, the speed, and as all villains need, the wit to be a very cool villain. I can't wait to see what he does next. I think the only thing that bothered me, which is me being more nitpicky than anything was Aqualad triggering the alarms instead of using his communicator thingy, but I guess it was done for dramatic appeal.

"Wavelength" gets an A+.

I could definitely see Cyborg being the member to leave, if they decide to shake up the Titan lineup in the future. He definitely has leadership qualities, and could form another group somewhere else if they decide to do that. Just a good character would have to replace him though.

oneeyemonkeypie

10-26-2004, 10:38 PM

Cyborg would benefit another team greatly as the leader, but the current team would lose more than the other would gain. Think about it-Cyborg is the more stable, reliable character they have. His one weakness: not being able to push his limits, was disproved in the Atlas episode. And the power cell thing doesn't count, that only happens once every few years.
Raven is emotional
Starfire is too naieve
Beast Boy isn't the greatest hand to hand fighter
Robin shuts down at the mere mention of Slade
Cyborg is the anchor. Plus; who could they even try to replace him with? I don''t even wanna think about that.

Bottom line-I highly doubt they could succesfully replace him with anyone else. If they sent him off, the show would have to focus on the group he went to, and this group has too many unresolved issues/romances to be done away with yet. I really don't want to start watching episodes on Titans East when I was just getting to love this group. I hope TE turns out to be just a far away backup crew for the main titans.

RAINMAN

10-27-2004, 03:20 AM

The last thing i want to see is a CY/BB force couple just because their urban people. Cy is better off as a loner or atleast whit someone a bit more like him. I don`t want cy to leave sense hes the only one who stand up to robin when he acts like a jerk. Last thing we need is another JLU on our hands.:sweat: However, cy has ben acting different this season. I Notice he don`t yell BOO-YAH like he does so often.

JUMP CITY!? Really?:anime:

Sampo

10-27-2004, 02:04 PM

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Cyborg gets all fired-up when he learns that Brother Blood stole his tech and is going to use it to create a huge tidal wave that will flatten the city. But Robin takes charge of his mission and off they go to stop Blood. Before they can even enter the compound they encounter "The Mind-Controlled Squid"... which, IMO, doesn't sound strange coming from the same VA who did Drakken from Kim Possible . Beast Boy figures a way to save the drowning Titans after their T-Sub implodes, although in a quite disgusting way :) They seperate into groups to take down Brother Blood and his weapon. But of course this evil villian has many traps laying in wait, one of them is the lass Bumble Bee whom Cyborg has to face.

Not much else to say about the episode. It was pretty good and I did enjoy watching it. Favorite moments, Cyborg going nutts everytime he saw a piece of his tech used by Brother Blood. I digged Bumble Bee's VA. That little Bumble Bee and Cyborg moment, "You (I'll) take Blood." "I (You) disable the core.", right before they took down Blood and his tidal wave machine.

Screen caps located here. (http://www.angelfire.com/anime5/sampo/Teen_Titans.htm) No pans this time around though. :(

Everlasting

10-28-2004, 05:39 PM

I liked this episode. That last line of Cyborg's made me wonder, but I guess I just have to wait and see.

Brother Blood isn't really what I was looking for, but we can't always get what we want now can we? He's the opposite of Slade, but I'll just have to get used to him.

Bumblebee was interesting. She was better than I thought she would be and I was happy to see another heroine in Teen Titans. I can't wait to see her and the other honary Titans in "Titans East."

I would give this episode a 3.5/5

PS: I found a cool animated avatar at your site Sampo, and I think the site is really cool. =D

shoujoaifan

10-28-2004, 08:01 PM

William C. Maune

10-28-2004, 08:11 PM

Cartoon Network doesn't have a 52 episode rule.

Sampo

10-28-2004, 09:06 PM

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PS: I found a cool animated avatar at your site Sampo, and I think the site is really cool. =D

I'm glad you liked it and thanks for the kind comment. :) Gah, I should add more of those avatars when I have the time. :sweat:

Later.

Fone Bone

10-28-2004, 09:31 PM

Cartoon Network doesn't have a 52 episode rule.It's funny that you're the first person I've heard say that, because it's true. TONS of CN shows go beyond 52. Dexter's Laboratory, Powerpuff Girls, Justice League, Ed Edd and Eddy and others I'm sure I'm forgetting.

RAINMAN

10-29-2004, 03:51 AM

Now that blood is Cy nemsis, that leaves raven and bb as the only 2 whitout ones.

Slane

10-29-2004, 08:29 AM

Now that blood is Cy nemsis, that leaves raven and bb as the only 2 whitout ones.
Raven: We'll see soon...

Beast Boy: They could have developed Slade or Terra to fill that role, but the Slade focus has been on Robin this season, and Terra isn't a villain to him.

oneeyemonkeypie

10-31-2004, 10:18 PM

I don't think Cy would leave, because the other team is going to have Speedy, Aqualad and Bumblebee. Three great leaders already, they don't need a fourth.

As for replacing someone...

DONT READ THE FOLLOWING UNLESS YOU WANT A HUUUGE POTENTIAL SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!! (highlight to read)

I heard from someone that it is rumored Raven may be killed off. I personally dont believe it, but that may be the someone they replace.

Singularity

10-31-2004, 11:29 PM

Raven's enemy is obviously going to be Trigon. Nobody else would fit the role.

jeffrey 228

10-31-2004, 11:34 PM

Well during my time off the internet due to lack of payment I was unable to be on this talkback earlier after October 20th, but I did see the episode and well I have some details but was not as good as I saw it,

I mean I can say that this episode was very good but again a bit much on Cyborgs issue again, not my favorite character, and plus really was rude twards Bumble Bee wich kina upset me and stuff because he should have let her joined the gang because she got Cyborg out of Brother Bloods Issue, I mean I would be most happy that he would have thanked her but it seems with her being with HIVE it seems unlikly that he would figive her and stuff, but I guess that is for another time, so I give this episode 4 Stars.

Toon Capone

11-12-2004, 10:12 AM

My thoughts on Wavelength

At the beginning I don't understand why Aqualad couldn't just knock instead of tearing down the door.

Brother Blood is actually quite cool villain I like how he can be serious and funny at the same time. He was good in Deception but he much cooler in this episode.

It was kind of weird seeing the Titans ride in Beast Boy's mouth when he turned into a whale.

Bumblebee was a okay character, but I still don't understand how she can not be affected by Brother Blood's mind control. Another thing she should been able beat Cyborg like that and then later stand toe to toe Brother Blood that made no sense.

So Cyborg did have a crush on Jinx I'm surprised by that, I know she had one on him.

As for Beast Boy kissing his own butt I didn't need to see that.

I liked Raven's line "I'd rather just drown" in response to having to ride in Beast Boy's mouth again.

They seem to be hinting that Cyborg is going to leave the Titans.

Final thought what was up with Starfire in this episode?

Good episode.