One Piece- "Luffy's Past! Red-Haired Shanks Appears!" Talkback [Archive]

Mog

10-09-2004, 02:06 AM

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Dub Title: The Passing of the Hat

Original Name: Luffy's Past! Red-Haired Shanks Appears!

Manga chapters : 1

One giant flashback initiated by Zolo to discover Luffy's origins and to meet the man that enfluenced Luffy to become a pirate. Also, we discover what makes Luffy's hat his one prized possesion.

Fatneck

10-09-2004, 09:48 AM

And I was naive enough to think they actually would let someone get shot and killed...I deserve to be disappointed.

Duke

10-09-2004, 09:53 AM

Anime Otaku

10-09-2004, 09:53 AM

-Shanks...has...Aussie(EDIT:OK, it's Irish. It just sounded more Aussie to me)...accent...GAH!
-Wow, they kept Shanks losing his arm...it seemed less bloody, though.

Grenzer

10-09-2004, 10:04 AM

Ugh. Shanks' voice is really awful. I might be able to stand it if he was a nameless extra, but that is NOT the voice I would picture Shanks having.

And now that I've really gotten to hear Nami's voice, it just doesn't sound right. It's a bit too mature for me or something.
Well it's just an immutable fact that anyone with red hair must be Irish, and everytime they speak corny Celtic music has to play in the background. We're looking at you Gaara!
/4Kids representive mode off

It was sad too, they left in so much else in this episode (Shanks losing his arm, accurate dialouge) but it just was a complete letdown with the voices, this only get a B-. At least Buggy sounded tolerable from the preview.

Keiichi

10-09-2004, 10:10 AM

Blah I really don't care for Shanks voice that much. Buggy's voice on the other hand sounds rather cool. As for edits last week we got a "hammer Gun" this week a Pop Gun. Also they recolred the Fat guys Gun and eddited out Shanks first mate's arm(can't think of his name) when he pointed his rilfle at the Bandit leader. Speaking of him I did'nt care much for his voice either. As for shanks arm they did a fine job with that. Oh the Name of the ep was "passing of the hat". Next Week one of my favorite villians appears Buggy the clown.

Zach Williams

10-09-2004, 10:12 AM

Good episode again. Love to see this every week, definately gonna be good. Especially next week.......';)

kaine23

10-09-2004, 10:44 AM

Note to 4Kids:

Red hair does not equal Irish accent.

Mog

10-09-2004, 11:19 AM

I'll say this. The edits, while corny and do take away from the original, don't look bad. These edits actually look like they were given some thought, instead of just slapping them on in five minutes and moving on.

As for the episode, I liked it. It gets a quatre.

Andrew T. Hingson

10-09-2004, 12:54 PM

The accents!!!!! It burns!!!! I knew this would happen... but I was still hoping it wouldn't.

Dang it I wanted Schemmel for Shanks... but he was the fat guy I think... and that AWFUL looking host. But that freak had some good lines about Shredder. (spikey helmeted momma... ha!)

Still waiting to hear Buggy... one more commercial to go.

AlphaPrime

10-09-2004, 01:04 PM

Andrew T. Hingson

10-09-2004, 01:09 PM

Buggy was acceptable...

Rabi~en~Rose

10-09-2004, 01:19 PM

Kida

10-09-2004, 01:25 PM

The pop gun thing made me do a double take. I don't think kids will be exited about the pirates in the show if they threaten each other with corks. o_o;

I like how they did the Shanks-losing-his-arm scene, though. But Nami kind of scared me. >.>;;

Sampo

10-09-2004, 01:40 PM

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I give 4kids a lot of credit, they left that scene in. Nice.

And I was naive enough to think they actually would let someone get shot and killed...I deserve to be disappointed.

Well this is airing on the FoxBox early in the morning when kids watch the show. Heck in my area, WinX club (or whatever you call that show with fairies) airs right after One Piece...

I'll say this. The edits, while corny and do take away from the original, don't look bad. These edits actually look like they were given some thought, instead of just slapping them on in five minutes and moving on.

As for the episode, I liked it. It gets a quatre.

I was cringing a bit when they stated it was a "cap gun", but meh the editing was pretty good.

IMO, Shanks VA sounded good (compared to Nami...) and I enjoyed the episode. I am looking forward to the next episode to see this Buggy guy. Yay I don't think I heard that awful circus music played during this episode.

Cheesecake

10-09-2004, 02:14 PM

"Whe he wakes up, tell him it was a cap gun"

No, he wont wake up cause he's dead.

This show kinda loses a lot of dramatic seriousness now that Pirates are threatening each other with spirngy hammer toys,super soakers and cork guns.

And Shanks accent..gah..the Va couldnt decide whether he was irish, australian or british. But it was nice that the arm losing scene was kept..but that doesnt surprise me since there was no way aorund it. Those god damn sea jokes are annoying and getting old. Meh

Typical 4 kids One piece production, bad but not 100% bad.

Conekiller

10-09-2004, 02:59 PM

what was wrong with Shanks voice? :confused: I thought it sounded fine and he sure seemed like Luffy is with the laid back attitude and his voice worked for that fine. I'm more annoyed with Nami. is she like a sidestory or something? she pops into every episode for about a minute and then isn't heard from until the next one kind of like Team Rocket :eek: the popgun stuff was silly but still effective and I feel sad for Shanks losing his arm :(
Nami becomes a regular part of the cast in the next episode. I wonder why tho, in the manga she doens't even show up (save for a huge splash page introducing the book) untill Luffy and Zoro are on the boat together.

Zero Kagayaki

10-09-2004, 03:47 PM

It ok episode i never heard shanks voice in japanese

Cheesecake

10-09-2004, 06:13 PM

Dark Soul

10-09-2004, 08:16 PM

Most pirates in that particular era had some sort of British accent. So I wasn't surpised on that. I was surprised that they showed the arm gone. 7/10.

Tash

10-09-2004, 08:44 PM

Whats really tsupid about theese gun eidts is that in Pokemon episode 12 "the squietle squad" Ash had four shotguns pointed right at his face and he begged the people to " Please dont shoot me!" How come they can get away owth that yet flintrock rifles have to be chnaged into super soakers and corks have to be digitally put into flintrock pistols? Its not like kids can use flintrock style guns nowadays anyway.That was BEFORE the anti-anime groups started showing up... (Ironicly, Pokemon is the reason most of them exist)

Come to think of it, I haven't heard from any angry parent groups in a while. How are they doing? What are they trying to get rid these days?

Beat

10-09-2004, 08:46 PM

Good question. Think they're still hung up on Janet?

4Kids get a prop (just one) for keeping in the armless Shanks. It's probably one of the more moving scenes in the earlier episodes, and editing it would be dumb beyond belief.

bigddan11

10-09-2004, 10:28 PM

Leaping Larry Jojo

10-09-2004, 11:08 PM

The arm was slightly edited, though. It was a bloody stump in the original. Over here they made it a little more a muddy stump. No big loss, point still came across.

I honestly don't have a problem with Shank's AUSTRALIAN accent. The show never say he is specifically any kind of race, so they gave him a mixed Australian accent to give him a somewhat wordly but laid back flavour. If you're not being picky and see it with an open mind, it actually works. I did have some problems with his inflections, but it wasn't that bad.

The cap gun thing was lame though.

And there is nothing wrong with Nami's voice. People are just looking for things to nitpick.

Simpler Simon

10-09-2004, 11:46 PM

I don't think the arm was edited by 4Kids? The original Japanese cut had to tone things down from the manga (which showed a lot more blood from the wound).

Cap gun and cork aside, this was the best episode of the dubbed series yet. I don't mind the voices at all, and the script was really faithful to the original (right down to calling the bartender Makino).

Is it me or did they edit out the ending though? I remember Luffy getting up after crashing to the ground.

Ian

10-10-2004, 04:12 AM

You know, if they had done this episode first, then I don't think many people would complain about what's happened with the series. I've seen a gradual improvement with each episode, and I'm loving it.
I agree. The arm, the alcoholic drinks (they didn't call them that, of course, but they didn't go out of their way to deny it, either, which is progress), the shot to the head (Egypt is wonderful this time of the year), are all things that I wouldn't have expected from any Fox Box show. Hopefully they'll continue to edit less or, if not, have the wackiest edits possible.

You know, watching this episode made me realize how decompressed the manga really is. Twenty-and-a-half minutes, and they were able to cover almost two chapters. I realize part of the whole concept of "comic books" includes the ability to have that type of deliberate pacing, but it still bugs.

So anyway to recap:

Arms and drinks: 20 points

Gun-related edits: -5 points

Luffy/Zolo/Nami/Buggy plot: 25 points. Very, very thin.

Shanks plot: 40 points. Better, but missing parts damage pacing.

Nami and Shank's voices: -10 points, minus six for Nami's and minus 4 for Shanks. They annoy a bit but aren't horrible.

No hammer-gun: -5,000,000 points.

Yay I don't think I heard that awful circus music played during this episode.

Oh, it was there. It was faster paced and softer, but I definetely heard pieces of clown music. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

ETA: I saw it a second time, and Shank's voice didn't annoy me as much. And the voice actor does manage to convey Shank's laid-back attitude/seriousness well, so, props for him.

Duke

10-10-2004, 08:21 AM

And there is nothing wrong with Nami's voice. People are just looking for things to nitpick.
Eh, it still doesn't seem quite right to me.

Keiichi

10-10-2004, 09:50 AM

Most pirates in that particular era had some sort of British accent. So I wasn't surpised on that. I was surprised that they showed the arm gone. 7/10.What era?! One Piece is'nt set back in the 1700's. Sure with its matchlock pistols and rifles and wooden ships it may seem that way but as we go along we see some things you can only find in the 20th century.

Lachesis

10-10-2004, 02:35 PM

Geezil

10-10-2004, 03:14 PM

Not ever seeing the original version and all*i hate subtitles so HA! and don't know japanese* i really like this show, even with the obvious edits, and yeah, they don't look outta place, well they do but they don't, get what i mean heh[...]
Yes, I get what you mean very well. And you'll do yourself a huge favor by giving the subtitled original version a try instead. Consider: No sloppy digital edits whatsoever, no super soakers or hammer guns, every bit of action & humor as it was meant to be, and soundtrack music that works 100% of the time (plus a gets-into-your-blood opening theme in the earliest episodes).

(BTW, for anyone who followed some of my earlier posts on "giving OP USA a chance" and might be wondering about this abrupt turnabout in opinion, you'll find that in my last one, the white flag of surrender was raised high. Have a nice life, FoxBox.)

Simpler Simon

10-10-2004, 05:13 PM

I'm still a little bothered by how choppy the pacing has gotten. It feels like they're still trimming establishing shots and reaction shots - there's really no time for anything to sink in.

Otherwise, not bad.
There was one shot in the original Japanese version that always bugged me - right after Shanks tells the sea monster to beat it, you see a long shot of it in the distance, then it dives into the water and disappears. This scene takes forever in the original, whereas they trimmed out the first few seconds in the Foxbox version so that it disappears almost immediately. I suppose there's something dramatic about the monster taking a bit longer to leave, but the audience already knows its scared of Shanks - so just get out of there.

Otherwise I think every episode is time compressed. OP, unedited, runs around 23:30 including opening and closing. Subtract 1:50 for the opening, and maybe 1:00 for the ending, and that gives you approx. 21:40 for the actual show. Foxbox and KidsWB love squeezing in more commercials, and only allow around 21:30 total, including credits and opening.

lostrune

10-10-2004, 07:08 PM

1. Now that Nami has talked some.... "Quiet, woman!" :p
The sailor in ep 1 who asked her to dance probably thought she was appealing too... before she opened her mouth. :sweat:

2. At least they kept the pirates chugging beer and the gun to the head, albeit "capped."

3. So, Luffy used to be an angry youth... till he traded in his loser attitude to copy Shank's goofiness no matter how dire the situation. :D

The pop gun thing made me do a double take. I don't think kids will be exited about the pirates in the show if they threaten each other with corks. o_o;
Typically, kids who enjoy pirates don't care for scary pirates. They like pirates because they think it's fun to be pirates; ergo they prefer fun pirates. Humor over drama.

And Shanks accent..gah..the Va couldnt decide whether he was irish, australian or british.
It doesn't really matter - those countries don't exist in One Piece. Who knows, maybe in the 4Kids world of One Piece, Shanks hails from the mythical island of Iraustritish, where that's how they speak. :D

Nin-Nin69

10-10-2004, 10:27 PM

This episode had plenty of unecessary edits to save time, but missed some important moments. Showing the reason why Luffy was upset at the pirates when they came back to the bar, Luffy helping Namy, ect.. Plus the whole "Lets draw a popgun for the pirate holding up Shanks, but we'll keep the scene in when he gets his head blown off."

I don't blame time cuts since they had plenty of time to air the entire episode minus the usual flashback at the begining.

Buggy so far seems to be the most true to the Japanese VA. Lets hope there isn't any unecessary circus humor thrown in to ruin his character.

Once again I'm very, very sorry about not showing the edited pictures. Comcast is too busy to visit my appartment to fix my connection. So I'm forced to use a friend's who has a 98 OP and no DVD drive. The pictures for this episode will come the latest by Friday.

Also you should begin every talkback with "Believe in Wonderland".

Freedom Fighter

10-12-2004, 03:48 PM

Things I didn't like about Episode 4:
- The theme song. Changing it to a rap song so that you'll wake people up and getting them dancing on a Saturday morning? That just screams 'desperate.'
- The order of the story. The events in the first four episodes take place in a scrambled order compared to the manga... and I too want to know why. Also... why have Nami from the beginning instead of waiting 'til Episode 5? Did the show's creators think they needed her in that early to draw fans?
- Inconsistent voices. So far, Luffy's is passable, Zoro's is great, and Nami's was decent... until this episode, where, for some reason, she sounded like a guy was voicing her! Talk about reversal of fortunes... it's usually the other way around!
- The 'cap gun' line. How low can you go?

Things I liked about Episode 4:
- The theme song. Yeah, hate 4Kids for it, but you have to admit... it's got a catchy beat! Besides, what do you think kept me tuned into watching Shaman King in the early going? The theme song.
- The wild character expressions. It's one of the reasons I loved the manga, and they've been far and few between... until this one. I hope there's more on the way.
- Shanks losing his arm. I guess asking for even a little blood was still asking too much... but a non-bleeding severed arm is better than not showing the arm at all.

Episode 4's final score: 3.5 out of 4

FerrariCake

10-12-2004, 04:08 PM

Grenzer

10-12-2004, 04:25 PM

Was this episode supposed to show how Luffy got the scar under his eye, or was that a manga- only thing?? And I assume that if it was in the anime it was cut for being an immitatable act (oh blimey I'm gonna go stab myself in the face cos I sawed it on the TV!!! Then I will be getting respect!!)
To answer your question, Luffy stabbing himself in the face as a kid was never animated by Toei, so anybody who only watched the OP anime would never know the background behind his scar. As much as we may complain about it, from a legal perspective it was smart because kids do sometimes imitate what they see on TV, with horrific end results.

Conan-san

10-12-2004, 04:43 PM

To answer your question, Luffy stabbing himself in the face as a kid was never animated by Toei, so anybody who only watched the OP anime would never know the background behind his scar. As much as we may complain about it, from a legal perspective it was smart because kids do sometimes imitate what they see on TV, with horrific end results.

Plus it's Toei and we have no honest clue what goes in those guys' minds...

Geezil

10-12-2004, 08:15 PM

Plus it's Toei and we have no honest clue what goes in those guys' minds...
When it's about OP, I'll take what's going on in Toei's minds over that stuff in 4Kids' minds anytime! :anime:

lostrune

10-13-2004, 09:16 AM

To answer your question, Luffy stabbing himself in the face as a kid was never animated by Toei, so anybody who only watched the OP anime would never know the background behind his scar.
OH NOEZ! Stupid edit Toei! 4Kids should animate that part and insert it into the series like they did with the Yugi-Oh movie. Or otherwise, forget about buying the DVDs! :p

Heh, Toei already rearranged the initial eps compared to the manga beginning. So, it shouldn't be a surprise anymore.

Conan-san

10-13-2004, 12:33 PM

When it's about OP, I'll take what's going on in Toei's minds over that stuff in 4Kids' minds anytime! :anime:

I was meaning some of there more ludicuous busness manouvers as of late but that too..

Grenzer

10-13-2004, 08:18 PM

I was meaning some of there more ludicuous busness manouvers as of late but that too..Well it probably comes from being so finacially secure compared to some of the other animated production companies in Japan. They have had one gigantic hit after another since the mid-80's and probably base their decisions on who to license their titles to based on which company has a similar view of anime production that they do (i.e. marketing the hell out of it). 4Kids is probably the one U.S. company that still has that attitude that you can market Pokemon, One Piece, etc. with products like paper plates and shampoo, something just about everybody else has turned away from. Taken from that perspective it could be that 4Kids is the only company Toei would trust to market their shows in this country.

As for the issue relating to Sailor Moon, while I agree it was a snub to the fans when they yanked the rights away from ADV, Toei again simply thought that it was not profitable to continue marketing the show in the U.S. when the only things that were selling anymore were the DVDs. A cruel reality maybe, but that's buisness for you.

Conan-san

10-14-2004, 10:39 AM

Well it probably comes from being so finacially secure compared to some of the other animated production companies in Japan. They have had one gigantic hit after another since the mid-80's and probably base their decisions on who to license thier titles to based on which company has a similar view of anime production that they do (i.e. marketing the hell out of it). 4Kids is probably the one U.S. company that still has that attitude that you can market Pokemon, One Piece, etc. products like paper plates shampoo, something just about everybody else has turned away from. Taken from that perspective it could be that 4Kids is the only company Toei would trust to market their shows in this country.

As for the issue relating to Sailor Moon, while I agree it was a snub to the fans when they yanked the rights away from ADV, Toei again simply thought that it was not profitable to continue market the show in the U.S. when the only things that were selling anymore were the DVDs. A cruel reality maybe, but that buisness for you.

That might be the case, but it's nothing more than a fan ****off and one of these bright days they'll go too far and end up screwing themselves over.

I meen, who's to say that One Piece won't be next? It could go so far you know.

A friendly word of warning is all I'm giving as far as that's concerned.

MeggieMay

10-15-2004, 06:50 AM

Well after finally seeing this episode tonight all I have to say is that the guy doing Shanks voice is trying to do a Australian accent one, not a Irish one - though he does slide into a Irish accent at one point toward the end of the episode :o .

The main thing is that the accent is a fake one done by either a American or Canadian VA. While I thought the VA was OK in the part (this is the first time I'm viewing the show), fake accents are usually noticable and it doesn't help if the person doing one is sliding around with it either (but at least he wasn't doing a failed Scottish accent - there's nothing worse IMO than would be highlanders mangaling a Scotish accent) :p.

Nin-Nin69

10-15-2004, 11:41 PM

Ok edit time. Woo! Sorry about being so late everyone. I'll hope to do it again in the afternoon tomorrow.

Let's start with a huge scene taken out when Luffy was taken hostage by the pirates. This scene helped build Luffy's stuborness and explained to us why he was in that situation. The reason 4Kids took it out still hasn't come to mind.

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Now here's the famous "pop gun" scene.

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Now here's Shank's missing arm.

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Lastly, the scenes that ended the episode which 4Kids left out. It killed the drama and left you with doubt that Luffy survived.

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