Pre-editing Dubbed Lt/mm

[chuckamuck43]

This is the place to go to find answers.

I just finished watching GOOFY GROCERIES on Acme Hour. Had my usual frown as it irised out BEFORE the final gag. Then I noticed it was the dubbed version.
Here's my question - Do they dub the entire cartoon intact and then scissor out the parts they find offensive? Or do they leave the "bad" parts undubbed?

If its the latter, there is a very insidious kind of censorship at work here.

We all know that Warner's sees ONLY the bottom line when it comes to their cartoon library - $$$! From their P.O.V., why bother to dub or preserve any toons they can't show?

I just hope the original negatives/masters are being well-preserved. It'd be a shame to lose so much film history, as usual, due to corporate greed.

[Patrick McCart]

The editing is done on video...

[Larry T]

For some reason, I'm prone to think that the cartoon gets remastered/dubbed in it's entirety, then edited as networks see fit later. What leads me to this conclusion is that once I viewed a television production master while accompanying a friend of mine who worked at a nearby film transfer studio, probably 10 years ago or so. On one of the cartoon master reels' menus (which was being packaged to resend back to the original network for airplay), I noticed that one of the titles was "Uncle Tom's Bungalow".... and THAT has never aired publicly at least since that time, to my knowledge... so I think it's at the re-distribution stage between the actual film transfers and the title owners (then onto the networks) that the "extra" work gets done to the prints.

[Billy]

Really sorry I had to bring back up this topic but I just wanted to confirm that yes,they are remastered in there entirety and networks edit them. My theory on this was confirmed when I was watching Toonheads 2 days ago on CNUK (Cartoon Network UK,From an episode called 'When Elmer Fudd got fat') and the ending to Fresh Hare was seen,and the ending was in full,which then cut to the 'Dubbed version' ending.

I still don't understand why 5 Tom and Jerry cartoons on CNUK are edited though! Why is 'A Mouse In The House' edited while 'Casanova cat' isn't!

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by chuckamuck43
We all know that Warner's sees ONLY the bottom line when it comes to their cartoon library - $$$! From their P.O.V., why bother to dub or preserve any toons they can't show?

To show you how knuckleheaded AOL/TW is, they forget that they have TBS, TNT, and TCM as other channels. TCM would be the safest place to send the cartoon originals, all because 1) they do show cartoons on the "one-reel" segments, and 2) they truly preserve history in film.

What I don't understand is that TCM can show an Afr.-Am. short-subject from Vitaphone unedited and preserved and CN can't even show "September In The Rain" (or any other edited cartoon) in its original format. Can Ted Turner tell us what's wrong with this picture?