If you saved Bruce Timm's life...

[Camaris]

...and he offered to make the episode/project/plotline of your choice, what would you pick?

For me, I would love to see Mr Timm and Co make an animated movie of the Kingdom Come saga. It has everything - our favourite characters, apocalyptic battles, metahuman mayhem, romance, despair, hope, philosophy. (I would also love to see it as a live action movie but I trust Mr Timm and Co more than I trust Hollywood to do it justice).

What about everyone else? A musical JLU episode? BB wiped from, or established as canon? Hawkgirl returns? Batman and Wonder Woman: The Wedding of the Year?

[Crow]

A full-blown movie with his Justice League, I don't really care about handcuffing Phantasm and Return of Joker, etc to their respectives shows for continuity's sake, so an DTV as you chaps call it using his Justice League (pre or post Starcrossed, I don't mind) with no boundaries/constraints to speak of, that'd be good.
Honourable mentions go to adapting the No Man's Land Rucka novel (it was heavily DCAU influenced anyway) or that Catwoman Beyond movie.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Well, I'd say he Bring Back the Old Batman Show. You know the Animated Series. BTAS, I think?

[Temple Fugate]

A Batman: TAS mini-series titled "Hush." :cool:

[Crambam]

The Death and Return of Superman done right.

A backstory on The Flash with a focus on Barry Allen and his death.

A new major epic story that is two hours minimum and prominently features Batman and Superman.

I'll think of more, and of course when Mr. Timm say, "I only promised you one story," I will remind him that I saved his life which I think he should think is worth more than one plot. :)

[Pksoze]

Kingdom Come and work on the Crime Syndicate of Amerika

90 minutes each

I did save his life ;)

[karasu]

My Superman script.

[Fone Bone]

A five part time spanning epic series finale with Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Hawkgirl, J'onn J'onnz, Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, Supergirl, Green Arrow, Aquaman, The Question, Batman Beyond, The JLU Beyond, Zeta, Ro, Static, Gear, Lex Luthor, Joker, Darkseid, Vandal Savage, Brainiac, Solomon Grundy, Lois Lane, Blight, Ra's Al Ghul, Booster Gold and Blue Beetle, Plastic Man, Bizarro, Mr. Mxysptlk, Grodd, Alfred, Penguin, Two-Face, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Inque, The entire JLU in cameos, The Green Lantern Corp, Shade, Captain Marvel, Dr. Fate, Jason Blood/Etrigan, Zatanna, Old Bruce Wayne, The Legion of Superheroes, and the Royal Flush Gang Beyond.

Besides, I've already saved his life twice. But does he say, "Thank you Matt Zimmer!"? Noooooo.

[Yarharhar]

Duckgirl:TAS

[SilverKnight]

>snickers and hums the DuckTales theme< :D

[karasu]

lol

[BigFatHairyDeal]

Hi everyone,

I have a plan. We come up with a scheme to put b.t.'s life in danger. I'll spot him crossing the street, and try to hit him with my car, and one of you guys can push him out of the way at the last possible moment. Then, we split the bounty and get an episode we want! It almost worked in The Simpsons.

[Mr. Obsession]

Gray Ghost: The Animated Series.


Yep.

[RONDC20]

I would have to say that I would love to see a Nightwing Animated series from him, set in Bludhaven with his own Rouges Gallery. This series could be taking place durring Justice League.


I would love to see him do some Marvel stuff, Like Fantastic Four and Spider-Man and Captain America and the Avengers.

Ronald C

[Supremus]

Tom Strong or Zorro The Animated Series.

... but Duckgirl sounds good too :)

[Phantasm]

Well I'd have brought Andrea in the animated series...somehow ANYHOW, even if just a mention of hers would have been lovely...SO sad that we NEVER heard of her again...:sad:

[EJill34]

Well I'd have brought Andrea in the animated series...somehow ANYHOW, even if just a mention of hers would have been lovely...SO sad that we NEVER heard of her again...:sad:Ever read Batman & Robin Adventures Annual #1 or Dan Slott's Batman Adventures arc (#5-8)? Track down those issues if you can, because they've got a big helping of Phantasm goodness.

[Phantasm]

Ever read Batman & Robin Adventures Annual #1 or Dan Slott's Batman Adventures arc (#5-8)? Track down those issues if you can, because they've got a big helping of Phantasm goodness.
Heard of them alot...but have currently no way to get my hands on a copy:sad:
but I'm talking about animated andrea...Bruce should have at least mentioned her...even if just once...

[awh1978]

He'll probably do this anyway, but I'd like to see some of the dangling plot points from the original Batman and Superman series' resolved:

1. There was this guy with a mullet, used to walk around in red, green, and yellow before he went back to basic black. What ever happened to him?
2. So Lois, did you ever realize that the incredibly well-built guy you work with who's always disappearing just before Superman shows up could in fact be Superman in disguise?


There are various JL/U plots that could also use some resolution, but I trust that they'll be addressed. BB being the big one, of course, and that's getting it's spotlight.

[The Frog]

I think I speak for us all when I say that I think the world needs Alfred:TAS ;)


Realisticly though (Well, as realisticly as it's going to get), it would be Starman:TAS

[Lunchbox]

"B'wana Beast and Copperhead's Excellent Adventure."

[Silverbolt]

Aside from making my JLU episode---Mating Season (Bwana Beast, Flash, and GA taking up the challenge of seeing who can land the females in the league) I would demand Hawkgirl TAS, at least 300 episodes.

That and a life sized picture of her in a bikini or less for my bedroom.

[Wizard]

If I saved b.t.'s life, I'd...

still feel unworthy.

But hypothetically... oh man... I'd love to see Teen Titans in the greater DCAU continuity, and the JSA, and Starman (with the Knights, Mikaal, the O'Dare's, the real uberbadass Shade, Good!Grundy...), and, and... you see the dilemna. I wouldn't be able to choose, so I'd go back to fawning and feeling unworthy.

Hey, b.t., if you're following this thread- suppose all limitations were removed. What show would you love to do?

[Phantasm]

That and a life sized picture of her in a bikini or less for my bedroom.
Oh dear...and I thought I was obsessively lusting after an animated character...:anime: ;) :D

[Brian Cruz]

22 minutes of Mary Marvel.

[Lunchbox]

Oh dear...and I thought I was obsessively lusting after an animated character...:anime: ;) :D
Oh, you still are. Don't worry, he's hardly a threat to your title of "Creepiest Obsessor Over a Fictional Character."

[Phantasm]

Oh, you still are. Don't worry, he's hardly a threat to your title of "Creepiest Obsessor Over a Fictional Character."
'CREEPY'?!:eek:
I guess it's the same old cliche isn't it?You don't understand something, you dismiss it...:shrug:

[Silverbolt]

Oh, you still are. Don't worry, he's hardly a threat to your title of "Creepiest Obsessor Over a Fictional Character."
I've only been posting here a few days. Give me time give me time.

[Fone Bone]

>snickers and hums the DuckTales theme< :D
Yeah, sorry about that. Wait, no I'm not.:D

[Calico]

--> Apocalypse of '09 (Come on, people, we've only got five years left!)


--> Batman the Wonder Years (Kevin Conroy does a voice narration while we see young Bruce Wayne deal with the trials of growing up: puberty, first love, and a deep-seated soul-crushing obsession.)


--> Batman and Flash: Road Trip. (These two hipsters hit the highways and
byways, lovin' ladies and knockin' down the bad guys. What trouble will they get into this week?)

[EJill34]

If I saved Bruce Timm's life...

I'd change my signature to "I saved Bruce Timm's life."

And ask him to make a Sewer King: TAS.

[MJC]

Blue & Gold:TAS

You know you want it.

[Phantasm]

--> Batman the Wonder Years (Kevin Conroy does a voice narration while we see young Bruce Wayne deal with the trials of growing up: puberty, first love, and a deep-seated soul-crushing obsession.)


--> Batman and Flash: Road Trip. (These two hipsters hit the highways and
byways, lovin' ladies and knockin' down the bad guys. What trouble will they get into this week?)
YEY!!!!!!LOL!!!Yes, Flash and Batman...Flash is SO gonna annoy Bats!!!It's gonna be so hilarious!!!!

[creeper]

Faith and Spike : TAS

nuff said

[randomguy]

I'd tell him to (at his leisure) move on to a Marvel project, preferably Daredevil, though I'd settle for The Avengers, The Fantastic Four, or Spider-Man.

Or Iron Man.

Or Thor.

Or The Hulk.

Hell, whichever Marvel character he wants, I don't care. Just something Marvel, done right for once.

[shany94a]

His Harley & Ivy mini-series that sat on the shelf for all those years and just got released this spring. With all the shower and underwear scenes intact.

[JackKnight]

Realisticly though (Well, as realisticly as it's going to get), it would be Starman:TAS
1st off, this is quite a strange premise for a thread.... anyway. The Frog took the words out of my mouth so to speak. A Starman (Jack Knight) series would kick arse.

[Lunchbox]

YEY!!!!!!LOL!!!Yes, Flash and Batman...Flash is SO gonna annoy Bats!!!It's gonna be so hilarious!!!!
I like how she says it as if it's really going to happen.

[Pksoze]

If I saved his life Twice I'd love for there to be a "Whatever happened to the Man of Tommorow" as his final Superman story.

Seeing it animated would be amazing.

[EddieTheEditor]

THE KILOWOG CHANNEL: ALL KILOWOG, ALL THE TIME.

[DisneyBoy]

--> Apocalypse of '09 (Come on, people, we've only got five years left!)


Seriously though! I know about all the restraints WB has imposed upon the ADCU (BA anybody?), but this is one mega-event that simply MUST be done. No matter what it takes.


For something a bit more realistic, however, all I really want is to love the Wonder Woman on JL/JLU. She's been stripped of her lasso, her purpose, her religion and her alies and foes have all been reinterpreted. All I really truely want is for him and his team to do something really special with her...cause there's more to life than Superman and Batman.

War of the Gods, redone, so that it accomodates JL continuity, but moves Diana beyond the banishment and gives her life meaning, and a mission. I've been trying really really hard to adore what we've been given in terms of a Wonder Woman, but I can't and I want to. So turn her into the heroine we all know and love, and I'll be happy.

But for good measure, I'll also mention a Batman/Two-Face/Catwoman DTV, and (once more) the Near Apocolipse.


Thanks for listening.

[Maestro]

DTV starring Superman. Batman has four already, it's only fair Supes gets one.

[kaine23]

A full-blown movie with his Justice League, I don't really care about handcuffing Phantasm and Return of Joker, etc to their respectives shows for continuity's sake, so an DTV as you chaps call it using his Justice League (pre or post Starcrossed, I don't mind) with no boundaries/constraints to speak of, that'd be good.
Honourable mentions go to adapting the No Man's Land Rucka novel (it was heavily DCAU influenced anyway) or that Catwoman Beyond movie.
Actually a DTV movie showing the the JL rebuilding and getting the idea for the JLU would be cool.

[randomguy]

THE KILOWOG CHANNEL: ALL KILOWOG, ALL THE TIME.
I love you.

[DLM]

I'd tell him to (at his leisure) move on to a Marvel project, preferably Daredevil,
OHHHHHH!!!!
Timm animated daredevil ?!?!?!
YES!

[Squall]

I'd ask for the following:

26 more episodes of TNBA

26 more episodes of JL (not JLU, a 3rd season in the JL style)

a JL direct-to-DVD movie

a Batman Beyond-era JLU direct-to-DVD movie

and I'd make sure that JLU got 52 episodes. :D :p :cool:

[HelloKittyKat]

Prometheus. Morrison seems like he had a ball writing that guy's dialogue.

"I call it the Ghost Zone. I found it, so I can call it any dumb thing I want."

"So much for your willpower ring. Right now you have all the willpower of an unrepentant heroin addict. I should shoot you simply out of mercy. There. I just did."

[EmaHalJordan]

Green Lantern HAL JORDAN The Animated Series
+
Aquaman The Animated Series
+
More JLU episodes
+
Shazam The Animated Series
+
Legion of SuperHeroes

[Red]

Apache Chief TAS. Nuff Said

[tedcassidy]

I would love to see him do a feature length animated movie on Cartoon Network of the 1960's Hanna Barbera space heroes; Galaxy Trio, Space Ghost, and Herculoids. I would also love to see him do an ongoing animated series of The Galaxy Trio. They have so much potential, and would be really cool if handled by someone like Bruce Timm.

[bat313]

I’d give him a giant eraser and have him erase Hawk and Dove :D :evil:

[EmaHalJordan]

Animated Movie of He-Man and She-ra :D

[Stu]

Dear God it'd have to be Spider-Man

[Style]

I'd ask him for a cool 50 grand.

What? Why you looking at me like that? I don't care if he created the key integral cartoon that most influenced my childhood, If he can't fork over the cash, Screw 'Im!

[tedcassidy]

Hey "Styl92" was that supposed to be funny?.....cause it wasn't.:shrug:

[EJill34]

Hey "Styl92" was that supposed to be funny?.....cause it wasn't.:shrug:
Hey tedcassidy, was that supposed to be rude...cause it was.

[Style]

While it's true that only about 10% of all the crap I throw at the wall actually manages to get a chuckle, I don't think what I said was offensive or anything. I mean, if you don't find it funny, fine, but you don't have to make it your mission to point out failed jokes on this board. But hey, you don't want me mucking up this thread with my minor joke, okay. Then here's a legitmate request: Spiderman, Bruce Timm style. That character really needs the b.t. touch, because not one animated series involving spidey has gotten it completely right, (Though the 90's Fox Kids series came closest.)

[Grimlock]

Apache Chief TAS. Nuff Said
Haha, have you been to seanbaby's site? He has a hilarious article on apache chief (and many other superfriends):

http://www.seanbaby.com/superfriends/apache.htm

[batman_batman]

just one mopre batman thing. episode. dtv whatever. i would like to see him tell the final batman story. pull out all the stops. affairs with catwoman, batgirl, lois lane, supergirl, harley quinn. a fight with superman, the death of the joker. two face turned back to normal. time travel into the future to kick batman beyond's butt. travel to the past to save his parents. i dunno. just one last trip with the old batman team. with a happy ending . bruce deserves it.
a wonder woman series would be nice too. she really got short changed. she should have gotten her own series before the justice league started.
how about a sandman animated series. the neil gaiman one.
i think that we should stop building his ego though, this season of the justice league sucks except for the child's play episode.

[killbot]

Hey guys. I'm a long time lurker on these boards, first time poster. I'm a huge fan of Bruce Timm's ADCU so it's funny that my first post is about wanting him to do something else, BUT...I'd like to see Mr. Timm handle a Star Wars cartoon with the original trilogy characters. There are various images around the 'net of Star Wars drawings he's done, and his gift for character design is as evident as ever. Season One could be pre-Episode 4, Seasons Two and Three could be between Episode 4 and 5, etc.

[Jared1981]

OK, first off, I agree wholehartedly with Killbot.....i've always said we needed a REAL Star Wars animated series, and if Timm was on the project.....SWEET, but we'd need all surviving original actors to reprise their roles in voice work. Hey., Mark Hamill's a friend of the studio, Carrie Fisher needs work, Harrison Ford MIGHT be hard to get, I'll admit...and, we all know James Earl Jones is the king of voice work...but, who should replace the late Sir Alec Guinness (Who HATED being Obi-Wan, BTW) as Obi-Wan?

OK, as for my request from Bruce...well, I honestly have so many, I can't choose just one

Add Blue Beetle, Plastic Man, and Captain Marvel to the JLU

DC vs. Marvel: The Animated Movie (Unlike Kyle, John would kick the Silver Surfer's butt!)

Tales of the Amalgam Universe: The Animated Series (anyone remember Amalgam?)

PLEASE bring Luthor back to the pseudo-pre-Crisis version...I mean, really Bruce, if you're reading this (b.t. IS Bruce, right?)....what was the point of bringing back mad scientist Luthor if he was just gonna revert back to the businessman again?

Live-Action JL (not JLU) movie using the animated roster, starring

Dean Cain..............................Superman
Alec Baldwin..............................Batman
Catherine Zeta-Jones.......Wonder Woman
Ashton Kutcher.......................The Flash
Samuel L. Jackson..............John Stewart
Sean Connery(Voice/CGI)......J'Onn J'Onzz
Amy "Lita" Dumas......................Hawkgirl *1

Billy Zane..............................Lex Luthor
Jim Carrey..............................The Joker
Kelsey Grammer(Voice/CGI).Ultra-Humanite
"Big Show" Paul Wight.......Solomon Grundy *2
Olivia D'Abo........................Star Sapphire *3
Gary Oldman..........................The Shade
Antonio Banderas..................Copperhead *4
Halle Berry..........................The Cheetah *5

1: OK, I'm a wrestling fan, and I'm sorry, but I always felt he animated Hawkgirl is a dead ringer for Lita
2: Wrestling fan again...Wight's huge (If you don't know who he is..the guy is legit 7'2" and billed at 500 lbs....hell, that may not be far from the truth! They were billing the guy as Andre the Giant's son when he first showed up, and he definitely had the build to pull it off), and he's funny enough to deliver Grundy's juvenile wit
3: I just don't think anyone besides D'Abo could do Sapphire justice
4: I'm pretty sure the animated Copperhead is supposed to be Hispanic/Latino, and I just couldn't think of anyone else
5: We never saw the human Cheetah in the animated DCU...she coulda been African-American. Plus, despite the dreadful Catwoman movie, which I feel was more the fault of an unfaithful script, I think she'd have what it takes to bring the tragic Dr. Minerva across

Also, I had to resist adding the non-Canon Superfriends character Samurai, played by Jet Li, just for the sake of ethnic diversity (Altho, in Dean Cain's defense, he IS at least part Asian, I believe)

[Toon Capone]

If I saved Bruce Timm's life I would want him to make a new Swamp Thing cartoon as well as a Secret Society Series.

[EmaHalJordan]

Jared1981: Live-Action JL (not JLU) movie using the animated roster, starring

Dean Cain..............................Superman
Alec Baldwin..............................Batman
Catherine Zeta-Jones.......Wonder Woman
Ashton Kutcher.......................The Flash
Samuel L. Jackson..............John Stewart
Sean Connery(Voice/CGI)......J'Onn J'Onzz
Amy "Lita" Dumas......................Hawkgirl *1 :mad: you are a bad person, to make a film of Justice League and not to have to the GL Hal Jordan version is the END OF THE WORD FOR MANY FANS.

The Justice League The Movie is SUPERMAN, BATMAN, GL HAL JORDAN, FLASH, WONDER WOMAN, J´ONN J´ONZZ & AQUAMAN!!!!
(not Hawkgirl, not Jhon Stewart. And yes cameos of Atom, Hawkgirl, Ollie & Katar)

EmaHalJordan

[Lunchbox]

I'd want a Green Lantern movie that incorporated Alan Scott, John Stewart, and Kyle Rayner. But not that other guy. He was pretty lame.

[Neo PrimeStar]

...and he offered to make the episode/project/plotline of your choice, what would you pick?

For me, I would love to see Mr Timm and Co make an animated movie of the Kingdom Come saga. It has everything - our favourite characters, apocalyptic battles, metahuman mayhem, romance, despair, hope, philosophy. (I would also love to see it as a live action movie but I trust Mr Timm and Co more than I trust Hollywood to do it justice).

What about everyone else? A musical JLU episode? BB wiped from, or established as canon? Hawkgirl returns? Batman and Wonder Woman: The Wedding of the Year?
:D I'd wear a sexy Supergirl outfit first. Then sit in his lap and say,"Mr Timm will you please make a Justice League Ep that introduces my fanmade DC character into the JL. THe Flash falls in love with her, and he becomes her partner as they battle the bad gus with the JL

Poor Timm, he doesn't even know me but how cute to be 4'11,petite ,slim and weara cute lil Supergirl outfit then tell him what I want. :evil:

just call me suduca

[Silverbolt]

Live-Action JL (not JLU) movie using the animated roster, starring

Dean Cain..............................Superman
Alec Baldwin..............................Batman
Catherine Zeta-Jones.......Wonder Woman
Ashton Kutcher.......................The Flash
Samuel L. Jackson..............John Stewart
Sean Connery(Voice/CGI)......J'Onn J'Onzz
Amy "Lita" Dumas......................Hawkgirl *1

Billy Zane..............................Lex Luthor
Jim Carrey..............................The Joker
Kelsey Grammer(Voice/CGI).Ultra-Humanite
"Big Show" Paul Wight.......Solomon Grundy *2
Olivia D'Abo........................Star Sapphire *3
Gary Oldman..........................The Shade
Antonio Banderas..................Copperhead *4
Halle Berry..........................The Cheetah *5


Thats way way to many big names to make a good movie. Remember big names usually = big egos. That means you have to split the screen time up way to much for each of them and water down the film. I'd replace Carey with Hamil for the Joker, with proper makeup I think that he could be a decent physical match and to me his voice work for the joker is dead on. I would stay far away from Berry as well and just go with some actress that can look good in the outfit and give the character minimal lines.

As for Hawkgirl, I'm a major and I mean major fan of the character and I wouldn't want any one touching that character that didn't have a background in acting. Certainly not some wrestling "diva" After talking it over with my girlfriend (who is very much like Hawkgirl and could play the part to the letter just by being herself) we both came up with the same person for the role Angelina Jolie.

As for Batman and Superman I'd want the pair that are playing them now to be in the movie just so don't have five different varieties of the same character. Welling for Supes and Bale for Batman and I would sign both to contracts that stated that they'd do JL with smaller less vital roles along with the parts in the Superman and Batman movies. Since both already have their own franchises you don't want to use up time that would be better served developing the others. Which is one of the reasons the later batman movies failed. While Batman still did the majority of the work instead of developing the plot you spent time developing five characters that really didn't have any major role in the film.

I would also stick with the animated league, that league was chosen for a reason, I see no major reason to walk away from that since it really hasn't failed. Plus I could see the same factors being used for the live action version.

[Batman49]

Women of the DCU, at Night: TAS

just for me though

[Yarharhar]

I'd want a Green Lantern movie that incorporated Alan Scott, John Stewart, and Kyle Rayner. But not that other guy. He was pretty lame.Agreed. What was his name? Hank Jergins?

[MJC]

Agreed. What was his name? Hank Jergins?

No, don't be silly. It was Harry Jenkins.

[DarqueGuy]

I'd ask for a JLU action/comedy spin-off called "The Inferior Five" but instead of using the actual members of the Inferior Five comic, I'd have some of the less serious heroes of the JLU be the members. My team would consist of:

Booster Gold (with Skeets)
B'wana Beast
Fire
Ice
Vibe

Don't get me wrong: this isn't meant to be insulting to the characters. I actually really dig all of them and their appearances on the JLU (well, maybe not Vibe), it'd just be a way to take the fun from TGSNT and expand it into a regular, on-going show. In fact, the heroes wouldn't even call themselves the Inferior Five...it would be given to them by the press after they botched something in the first episode and they spend the rest of the series trying to live it down.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Wow, good question.

Well, first I'd want a nice JL DTV that brings in an alternate reality (or Elseworld) similar to "A Better World" or even "Legends". I'd like to see our JLU interact with a DCAU version of Barry Allen-Flash and Hal Jordan-Green Lantern (because we do know Hal exists in the DCAU. In fact, it'd be cool to see stuff involving him and Star Sapphire). Maybe actually have their team called "The Justice League of America" and consist of them, Martain Manhunter (with that name), Aquaman, and Black Canary.

My other choice would be to see an episode (JLU, TNBA, whatever) where we see what Nightwing and Batgirl were doing during "Knighttime". It'd be cool to see their confrontation with Ra's Al Ghul (and whose brilliant idea it was to leave Tim alone).

[The Frog]

If I saved Bruce Timm's life I would want him to make a new Swamp Thing cartoon as well as a Secret Society Series.I haven't read Swamp Thing yet, but a Secret Society animated series would be pretty awesome. Actually, any animated series from a villain's perspective would be cool.

[shany94a]

Women of the DCU, at Night: TAS
Including the villainesses?

[Style]

Including the villainesses?
What kind of fun would the show be without them?
Ofcourse, Poison Ivey and Catwoman would have to revert to their BTAS forms...

[Wally West]

:D I'd wear a sexy Supergirl outfit first. Then sit in his lap and say,"Mr Timm will you please make a Justice League Ep that introduces my fanmade DC character into the JL. THe Flash falls in love with her, and he becomes her partner as they battle the bad gus with the JL

Poor Timm, he doesn't even know me but how cute to be 4'11,petite ,slim and weara cute lil Supergirl outfit then tell him what I want. :evil:

just call me suducaSweet. Flash would love to see you in that outfit.;)

If I saved Bruce's life,I'd request my own animated TV show! The live action bombed and was cancelled.So I request my own show. If Bats and Sups can have it,why can't I?