buffy the vampire slayer

[anime fan]

dose enyone watch this show it rock

[Evil & Lovin It]

I watch it a little, but mostly because both my sisters are really into it, it's a decent show though.

[Phantasm]

I used to watch it.It had a couple of extremely well made episodes.I think it rocks!

[Shaggy&Daphne]

I watched about half a season of it and that was enough for me. I just found the whole concept of the show juvenal, and the characters themselves are "characterized" stereotypes that are very 2-dimentional and are not given any interesting qualities of there own. There's not even any logical reason I can fined as to why a young teenage girl would want to persue such a bizarre life style as this anyway. What is it? Is she longing for something more out of life than what she already has and intends to seek it through severe danger, and vampire slaying? Does it have something to do with her family life, or a lack there of? Is it her way of finding her place in society, possibly giving her a sense of importants and therefore a significant role in life? What is fueling her quest?

[Artemis]

There's not even any logical reason I can fined as to why a young teenage girl would want to persue such a bizarre life style as this anyway. What is it? Is she longing for something more out of life than what she already has and intends to seek it through severe danger, and vampire slaying? Does it have something to do with her family life, or a lack there of? Is it her way of finding her place in society, possibly giving her a sense of importants and therefore a significant role in life? What is fueling her quest?
Um, she was chosen dude. She's the Slayer because she was chosen so she really doesn't have a choice.

I actually discovered this show early this year through reruns on FX. It's actually pretty good and very well-written. Now that I'm done with it, I've been watching Angel through DVD boxsets. That's an awesome show, too.

[Storm]

I watched about half a season of it and that was enough for me. I just found the whole concept of the show juvenal, and the characters themselves are "characterized" stereotypes that are very 2-dimentional and are not given any interesting qualities of there own. There's not even any logical reason I can fined as to why a young teenage girl would want to persue such a bizarre life style as this anyway. What is it? Is she longing for something more out of life than what she already has and intends to seek it through severe danger, and vampire slaying? Does it have something to do with her family life, or a lack there of? Is it her way of finding her place in society, possibly giving her a sense of importants and therefore a significant role in life? What is fueling her quest?

:smacks head on computer desk:


I bet if Michael Keaton was in it you would just love it to death, right?


Yeessh.... I must explain everything! First of all let me say that BtVS is one of the most entertaining and ground breaking television shows out there. Now let me give you a lesson in BtVS 101. Are all the students present? Okay lets begin.


BtVS is about a young girl named Buffy Summers. Her and her mother move to Sunnydale when Buffy was kicked out of school when she burned down the school gymnasium due to vampires. She doesn't persue this lifestyle free willingly, she is chosen, like many other girls before her to become a vampire slayer. What is the slayer's purpose in the wacky world of Joss Whendon? It's simple they are the ultimate protectors of the dark forces and prevent such things as vampires, demons, and apocalypses. Out of all the slayers Buffy is the only slayer to expand the life span of any past slayers. Buffy is aided by her Giles (her watcher), Xander and Willow (her two best friends). Over the seasons she finds and loses love, gain and loses friends, and becomes an ultimate champion. If you don't get the world of Buffy now, then my friend you never will. If it appeals to you then great but if it doesn't oh well... I heard Michael Keaton's making a come back. During it's peak, BtVS was one of the most edgy shows out there and it just simple rocked. The characterization was very witty, on point, and was very three-dimensional. The character Buffy Summers broke the bold for many other action heroines in the same media and also spawned a television spinoff, Angel (who is also Buffy's ex-boyfriend and best lover ever).


For more Buffy information I recommend these sites:

http://www.angel-btvs.co.uk/ (http://www.angel-btvs.co.uk/)

http://www.chosentwo.com/buffy (http://www.chosentwo.com/buffy)



- Storm

[the Amanda]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is completely and totally awesome. I thought at first it was just a shallow teenager show too, but boy was I wrong. Even when it's cheesy, it's still good. :D

Shaggy & Daphne -- I really don't believe you watched "half a season" and 1) think that the characters are not given individual interesting qualities and 2) didn't realize that Buffy didn't choose to be the Slayer.

[creeper]

I watched about half a season of it and that was enough for me. I just found the whole concept of the show juvenal, and the characters themselves are "characterized" stereotypes that are very 2-dimentional and are not given any interesting qualities of there own. There's not even any logical reason I can fined as to why a young teenage girl would want to persue such a bizarre life style as this anyway. What is it? Is she longing for something more out of life than what she already has and intends to seek it through severe danger, and vampire slaying? Does it have something to do with her family life, or a lack there of? Is it her way of finding her place in society, possibly giving her a sense of importants and therefore a significant role in life? What is fueling her quest?
Everyone has a right to like or dislike whatever they want, but it seems you either watched and didn't pay attention, didn't watch, or everything was way over her head. Oh well..it's not for everyone.

BtVs was one of the best shows on tv.

[Evil & Lovin It]

I watched about half a season of it and that was enough for me. I just found the whole concept of the show juvenal, and the characters themselves are "characterized" stereotypes that are very 2-dimentional and are not given any interesting qualities of there own. There's not even any logical reason I can fined as to why a young teenage girl would want to persue such a bizarre life style as this anyway. What is it? Is she longing for something more out of life than what she already has and intends to seek it through severe danger, and vampire slaying? Does it have something to do with her family life, or a lack there of? Is it her way of finding her place in society, possibly giving her a sense of importants and therefore a significant role in life? What is fueling her quest?You know, the second I read this post, I thought to myself: hmm, this guy's gonna get yelled at. And look what happened. Word of advice shaggy (and this comes from experience), don't make fun of/criticize Buffy... the fans don't like it, they REALLY don't like it...

[the Amanda]

You know, the second I read this post, I thought to myself: hmm, this guy's gonna get yelled at. And look what happened. Word of advice shaggy (and this comes from experience), don't make fun of/criticize Buffy... the fans don't like it, they REALLY don't like it...
It wasn't because he made fun of or criticized Buffy, it's that he's either lying about how much he saw, or entirely missed the point. I ask you, how can you watch half a season of Buffy and not realize WHY Buffy is a Slayer? They even mention why at the beginning of every episode...

[Evil & Lovin It]

It wasn't because he made fun of or criticized Buffy, it's that he's either lying about how much he saw, or entirely missed the point. I ask you, how can you watch half a season of Buffy and not realize WHY Buffy is a Slayer? They even mention why at the beginning of every episode...I wasn't saying that specifically because of this thread, my post was just a general warning.

[the Amanda]

Buffy fans are sometimes an overly passionate bunch, it's true. I think it's because a lot of the advertising makes it look a lot worse than it is, so people tend to brand it as a bad show before they even watch it. Not saying that everyone should like it, but I really don't think it's the sort of show you can form a reasonable opinion on until you've seen an episode. Too defensive, I know. :sweat:

[Patrick Bateman]

I watched about half a season of it and that was enough for me. I just found the whole concept of the show juvenal, and the characters themselves are "characterized" stereotypes that are very 2-dimentional and are not given any interesting qualities of there own. There's not even any logical reason I can fined as to why a young teenage girl would want to persue such a bizarre life style as this anyway. What is it? Is she longing for something more out of life than what she already has and intends to seek it through severe danger, and vampire slaying? Does it have something to do with her family life, or a lack there of? Is it her way of finding her place in society, possibly giving her a sense of importants and therefore a significant role in life? What is fueling her quest?Funny, the Buffy the Vampire Slayer I watched had some of the most in-depth and well thought-out characters I've ever seen in any medium...:confused:

[Fone Bone]

I watched about half a season of it and that was enough for me. I just found the whole concept of the show juvenal, and the characters themselves are "characterized" stereotypes that are very 2-dimentional and are not given any interesting qualities of there own. There's not even any logical reason I can fined as to why a young teenage girl would want to persue such a bizarre life style as this anyway. What is it? Is she longing for something more out of life than what she already has and intends to seek it through severe danger, and vampire slaying? Does it have something to do with her family life, or a lack there of? Is it her way of finding her place in society, possibly giving her a sense of importants and therefore a significant role in life? What is fueling her quest?
And YOU flamed ME for saying Happy Days sucked. You claimed I had no reason to say it as I obviously hadn't seen enough of it. All those weekdays after school counted for nothing.

What's the lesson here? Different strokes, different folks.

BTW Buffy The Vampire Slayer is the greatest television show EVER!

[Damien]

I watched Buffy until she sent Angel to Hell. Everytime I tried to come back to it, I thought it sucked. The characters, the dialogue...everything. I did however, make it a point to see her face Dracula, see the last episode, and see the real last episode. My focus was on Angel, a far superior show.
However, I too have been catching the reruns on FX, tuning in when Angel became Angelus (oh yeah...:evil: ). I've missed a few since I started watching, but I'll continue to watch, I guess. The characters still annoy me for the most part, but my love of the Angel series has made me want to catch up on my knowledge of the "Buffyverse".

[Storm]

I watched Buffy until she sent Angel to Hell. Everytime I tried to come back to it, I thought it sucked. The characters, the dialogue...everything. I did however, make it a point to see her face Dracula, see the last episode, and see the real last episode. My focus was on Angel, a far superior show.
However, I too have been catching the reruns on FX, tuning in when Angel became Angelus (oh yeah...:evil: ). I've missed a few since I started watching, but I'll continue to watch, I guess. The characters still annoy me for the most part, but my love of the Angel series has made me want to catch up on my knowledge of the "Buffyverse".

Would you just say you prefer Angel over BtVS. So you stopped watching Buffy at the end of S2. During S2-S5 Buffy was still great (S6 and S7 were awesome however that can't touch the greatness for past seasons). I just think you're blinded by your love of Angel to give BtVS it's props. To say Angel is superior than Buffy is an opinion not a statement. A lot of people that I've talked to think the differ. Why watch a show that makes you dislike the characters especially the leading character?


- Storm

[the Amanda]

He never said that his opinions of Buffy and Angel were a fact... why are you jumping on his back just because he likes Angel better?

For the record, I really don't like Buffy the character either. I still love the show, though. There are many other characters I like, and the dialogue, and plot.

[Storm]

AuroraSzalinski,

Sorry you feel that way


- Storm

[the Amanda]

Uh... okay. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but I think you're taking this a little too seriously.

[Storm]

Uh... okay. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but I think you're taking this a little too seriously.

Maybe you are reading me wrong but how could you when it's just a message board and you don't really know the tone of my voice or comment. Who knows. I responded to Damien that way because he often does that. He compares BtVS and Angel a lot and often bashes the character of Buffy. Actually I took his quote "My focus was on Angel, a far superior show." as if he was making it as a statement. How could I tell if it was being opinionated or not? Maybe I read him wrong. I'm a very outspoken person, AuroraSzalinski so if my reply to him seemed lashful (I have to admit reading my post it does seem that way and maybe subconciously I was) then my bad.



- Storm

[the Amanda]

No problem. :)

[Shaggy&Daphne]

Maybe you are reading me wrong but how could you when it's just a message board and you don't really know the tone of my voice or comment. Who knows. I responded to Damien that way because he often does that. He compares BtVS and Angel a lot and often bashes the character of Buffy. Actually I took his quote "My focus was on Angel, a far superior show." as if he was making it as a statement. How could I tell if it was being opinionated or not? Maybe I read him wrong. I'm a very outspoken person, AuroraSzalinski so if my reply to him seemed lashful (I have to admit reading my post it does seem that way and maybe subconciously I was) then my bad.



- Storm
I'm not trying to offend you in any way here, so don't take this personally, but from the very brief time that I had watched the show I kind of got the impression that Buffy Summers is "easy".

[Storm]

Easy? Nope. She just has a thing for vampires and when she likes a guy she'll let them know. Angel - vampire who was her first true love, Riley Finn- the rebound guy, Spike - the "I dig you but I don't want to dig you" guy, and The Immortal - who I think is Dorien Grey. Her list of lovers is the same as any other superhero.


- Storm

[Shaggy&Daphne]

Easy? Nope. She just has a thing for vampires and when she likes a guy she'll let them know. Angel - vampire who was her first true love, Riley Finn- the rebound guy, Spike - the "I dig you but I don't want to dig you" guy, and The Immortal - who I think is Dorien Grey. Her list of lovers is the same as any other superhero.


- Storm
Thanks, you just clarified my point.

[Storm]

Thanks, you just clarified my point.
I think are defintions of a female or male being "easy" are totally different. Having four major lovers in your life is in no way being easy. You haven't even watched the show for a full season so you can't possible judge the character's love life.


- Storm

[Shaggy&Daphne]

I think are defintions of a female or male being "easy" are totally different. Having four major lovers in your life is in no way being easy. You haven't even watched the show for a full season so you can't possible judge the character's love life.


- StormAlternating partners like that can lead to alot of sexually transmited diseases.

[Storm]

I don't think vampires or demons carry sexual transmitted diseases besides it's fictional and I'm sure Buffy used protection with Riley. It seems that you find this whole thing assuming and it's kind of getting annoying so I'm going to leave now I think I've answered your queries about BtVS and have made my thoughts clear on the matter :)


- Storm

[the Amanda]

Not if 3/4 are vampires. :p

[creeper]

I'm not trying to offend you in any way here, so don't take this personally, but from the very brief time that I had watched the show I kind of got the impression that Buffy Summers is "easy".
What is this, flame-bait? You said you only watched a half a season of it. Which season did you watch? Buffy has only had sex with one person outside the context of a relationship. Easy would mean she did it with every guy that approached her for it. So I don't follow you logic. Care to explain how you got to that conclusion?

[Failure]

Folks,

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but let's try to back them up with some intelligent banter. The key to a good thread is conversational substance, rather than just throwing a couple quick opinionated comments out there that could be open to misinterpretation.

Also, even in the case that tempers flare, let's try to remain calm and respectful of each other. Disagreements are usually going to remain disagreements, but at no point does flaming or burning bridges need to come into play.

Thanks.

[Fone Bone]

Alternating partners like that can lead to alot of sexually transmited diseases.
Vampires don't transmit diseases and Buffy and Riley used condoms.

What gets me about this statement is the assumption that if a woman has four boyfriends she's easy. If a man has many, many more he's just sowing his oats. It's an ugly double standard and incredibly chauvanistic.

[Shaggy&Daphne]

Vampires don't transmit diseases and Buffy and Riley used condoms.

What gets me about this statement is the assumption that if a woman has four boyfriends she's easy. If a man has many, many more he's just sowing his oats. It's an ugly double standard and incredibly chauvanistic.
I don't remember saying that! I was talking specifically about the character of Buffy, not about women in general! Don't put words in my mouth!

[the Amanda]

There was the one guy from the swim team who told Buffy that he heard she's easy. Then he got his nose broken. :D

[Samhaine]

Funny, the Buffy the Vampire Slayer I watched had some of the most in-depth and well thought-out characters I've ever seen in any medium...:confused:Except, of course, for seasons 6 & 7. ;)

[the Amanda]

Seasons six and seven weren't that bad...


Especially if you ignored crap like "oh, magic is just like crack!" and "Giles can't touch anybody so we can pull a gimmicky stunt!" and "everybody loves Spike, right? Let's ruin his character!" :rolleyes:

[Fone Bone]

I'm not trying to offend you in any way here, so don't take this personally, but from the very brief time that I had watched the show I kind of got the impression that Buffy Summers is "easy".
There's where you said it. I like how you prefaced it with "I'm not trying to offend you.":rolleyes:

[Shaggy&Daphne]

There's where you said it. I like how you prefaced it with "I'm not trying to offend you.":rolleyes:
I said that because it seems that the fans of this show take any negativity towards it personally.

[the Amanda]

Buffy fans can be worse than Trekkies some times ;)

[Fone Bone]

I said that because it seems that the fans of this show take any negativity towards it personally.
'Kay. That's fair. But can you understand how a statement like "she's easy" can strike someone as personal?

[Shaggy&Daphne]

'Kay. That's fair. But can you understand how a statement like "she's easy" can strike someone as personal?
Yes, perhaps I can if a devoted fan of the show, who knows the character inside and out, can come up with something that proves me wrong, which wouldn't be hard to do since I haven't watched the show nearly enough to know the characters that well. I'm just basing my opinion on what I already do know.

[Storm]

This is want the Mob calls "Digging Your Grave Deeper and Deeper"


Shaggy&Daphne I think we gave questions to your answers and really there is no use for this thread. You will always think Buffy is easy no matter what we say and that's fine. I just don't get why would you base your opinion on a half of season. I really think you get off one this type of thing and this is your personal entertainment. I think it's stupid and chauvinistic to think that when a girl has four different partners in her whole life time she gets called easy and a whore and that's basically sums up what you think of any woman then.


Let me break it down so you can actually understand what you are doing.


So since you are making judgments without any real knowledge I guess I can make a judgment about Michael Keaton, right? I think Michael Keaton is a terrible actor and I'm only judging that on his performance in Jack Frost. You see how stupid that sounds? Of course Keaton is not a bad actor but just judging his talent on one movie is idiotic just like how you think Buffy is a slut (that's basically what you're calling her) just from a few episodes.


- Storm

[Fone Bone]

This is want the Mob calls "Digging Your Grave Deeper and Deeper"


Shaggy&Daphne I think we gave questions to your answers and really there is no use for this thread. You will always think Buffy is easy no matter what we say and that's fine. I just don't get why would you base your opinion on a half of season. I really think you get off one this type of thing and this is your personal entertainment. I think it's stupid and chauvinistic to think that when a girl has four different partners in her whole life time she gets called easy and a whore and that's basically sums up what you think of any woman then.


Let me break it down so you can actually understand what you are doing.


So since you are making judgments without any real knowledge I guess I can make a judgment about Michael Keaton, right? I think Michael Keaton is a terrible actor and I'm only judging that on his performance in Jack Frost. You see how stupid that sounds? Of course Keaton is not a bad actor but just judging his talent on one movie is idiotic just like how you think Buffy is a slut (that's basically what you're calling her) just from a few episodes.


- Storm
Okay, just so long as I'm not putting words in anyones mouth.:D

(Go Storm!)

I think THE biggest reason Buffy fans take ignorant comments about the show personally is because it's called BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER. Despite this being a board of superheroes and Sci-fi geeks the assumption that BTVS is an idiotic show based on the name and premise boils some of us fans' blood. We've been touched by this show. Moved by it's acting and storytelling to tears. We've seen characters we love through the hardest times in their lives, seen them love, grieve, triumph, grow and die. The High School is Hell metaphor is apt: I know I didn't have an easy time in school and this show speaks to me on a level no other show even TRIES to. If people just want to make smart-ass comments based on assumptions of a show they've barely watched which has moved us on a profound level, fine. But don't expect me to just shut up about it.

[the Amanda]

Personally, this Buffy fan would like to see the thread move off the topic of whether Buffy is "easy" or not :rolleyes: and onto something different.

SO! Who is your favorite Buffy character? My favorites are Oz, Spike and Giles! :D

[Shaggy&Daphne]

Okay, just so long as I'm not putting words in anyones mouth.:D

(Go Storm!)

I think THE biggest reason Buffy fans take ignorant comments about the show personally is because it's called BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER. Despite this being a board of superheroes and Sci-fi geeks the assumption that BTVS is an idiotic show based on the name and premise boils some of us fans' blood. We've been touched by this show. Moved by it's acting and storytelling to tears. We've seen characters we love through the hardest times in their lives, seen them love, grieve, triumph, grow and die. The High School is Hell metaphor is apt: I know I didn't have an easy time in school and this show speaks to me on a level no other show even TRIES to. If people just want to make smart-ass comments based on assumptions of a show they've barely watched which has moved us on a profound level, fine. But don't expect me to just shut up about it.I never thought that Buffy the Vampire Slayer was an idiotic show, it's just not my cup of tea, that's all. Maybe I just don't get it. I don't consider myself to be a close minded person, and I'm open to other people's thoughts and opinions, and if there was something about this series that appealed to me, or that I could relate to I would give it a chance, but as it turns out there is nothing about this show that I can relate to. NOTHING! I find the characters unlikeable, and the themes to be childish and juvenile, and that's just the way I feel. No body needs to get there panties in a ruffle over it.
Oh, and another thing, I really don't think that Sarah Michelle Gellar is all that attractive. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go watch "Happy Days" now.:D

[Storm]

Like AuroraSzalinski said lets move on....

My favorite characters are Buffy Summers played by the very sexy, outspoken, and classy Sarah Michelle Gellar :p, Rubert Giles, Oz, Glory, and Spike.


- Storm

[Fone Bone]

I never thought that Buffy the Vampire Slayer was an idiotic show, it's just not my cup of tea, that's all. Maybe I just don't get it. I don't consider myself to be a close minded person, and I'm open to other people's thoughts and opinions, and if there was something about this series that appealed to me, or that I could relate to I would give it a chance, but as it turns out there is nothing about this show that I can relate to. NOTHING! I find the characters unlikeable, and the themes to be childish and juvenile, and that's just the way I feel. No body needs to get there panties in a ruffle over it.
Oh, and another thing, I really don't think that Sarah Michelle Gellar is all that attractive. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go watch "Happy Days" now.:DAnd you finding Sarah Michelle Gellar unattractive is relevant because?...

Storm is right, you're just flamebaiting now.:sad:

[the Amanda]

Storm -- Glory was your favorite Big Bad? I always thought she didn't get enough appreciation. A lot of Buffy fans don't like her, and I myself prefer the Mayor and Angelus as Big Bads, but Glory was actually pretty cool. The minions were the best part, though. :D

Fone -- Of course he's flamebaiting. Let's ignore. :)

[Fone Bone]

Storm -- Glory was your favorite Big Bad? I always thought she didn't get enough appreciation. A lot of Buffy fans don't like her, and I myself prefer the Mayor and Angelus as Big Bads, but Glory was actually pretty cool. The minions were the best part, though. :D

Fone -- Of course he's flamebaiting. Let's ignore. :)
Do'h! Already edited my post to flamebait back.:o

My favorite Big Bad is The Mayor. He's got OCD just like me and is cheerful in a psychotic gonna kill ya way. Also the funniest Big Bad. His to-do list includes;

laundry

photo op with kids

become invincable

Meeting with PTA

Haircut:D

[Storm]

Storm -- Glory was your favorite Big Bad? I always thought she didn't get enough appreciation. A lot of Buffy fans don't like her, and I myself prefer the Mayor and Angelus as Big Bads, but Glory was actually pretty cool. The minions were the best part, though. :D

Fone -- Of course he's flamebaiting. Let's ignore. :)


AuroraSzalinski - Uh huh. I'm a rare breed. I really liked Glory. Some may call her annoying however I really liked her dialouge and quips. I think she gave Buffy a run for her money. Out of many of Buffy's archfoes she became a real toughie in battle to the point even Buffy herself knew it. Yes Glory's minions were the best! :D

Fone Bone- Just ignore the ignorant. SMG may not be the hottest thing on the planet however I'll take smarts, class, and old-fashion beauty any day of the week.


- Storm

[Fone Bone]

AuroraSzalinski - Uh huh. I'm a rare breed. I really liked Glory. Some may call her annoying however I really liked her dialouge and quips. I think she gave Buffy a run for her money. Out of many of Buffy's archfoes she became a real toughie in battle to the point even Buffy herself knew it. Yes Glory's minions were the best! :D

Fone Bone- Just ignore the ignorant. SMG may not be the hottest thing on the planet however I'll take smarts, class, and old-fashion beauty any day of the week.


- Storm
I think I would've liked Glory better if Clare Kramer were a better actress. She just didn't convince me of an ancient evil. That said I've been watching some season five eps and she's better than I remembered. I though her sneaking up on Buffy in No Place Like Home was the best sightgag since Spike growling over Joyce taunting Angel in Lover's Walk.:D

[the Amanda]

Fone -- The Mayor is my favorite too. He's just so hilarious, there's something inherently great about "wholesome, but also a demon" :D "Boys, watch the swearing."


Storm -- Glory was occasionally annoying, but that was just part of her character. And yes, she put up a tough fight! The part where Buffy invites Ben to the Scoobies' "stronghold" and he turns into Glory is a really great "OMG they're screwed!" moment. Also, the conversation with Spike about Bob Barker is wonderful.

[Fone Bone]

Fone -- The Mayor is my favorite too. He's just so hilarious, there's something inherently great about "wholesome, but also a demon" :D "Boys, watch the swearing."


Storm -- Glory was occasionally annoying, but that was just part of her character. And yes, she put up a tough fight! The part where Buffy invites Ben to the Scoobies' "stronghold" and he turns into Glory is a really great "OMG they're screwed!" moment. Also, the conversation with Spike about Bob Barker is wonderful.
Bob Barker IS the Key!:D

[Storm]

Bob Barker. LOL.

The Mayor was also a uber cool villain however I found his relationship w/ Faith oddly disturbing and erotic.

- Storm

[Fone Bone]

Bob Barker. LOL.

The Mayor was also a uber cool villain however I found his relationship w/ Faith oddly disturbing and erotic.

- Storm
EROTIC?! REALLY? Wow. Maybe she had a sugar daddy thing going on for the first couple of episodes, but after that I found it to be a touching father-daughter relationship. What was so great about it is he bestowed all the unconditional love on Faith she never got from her mom or the Scoobies. Basically they had this perfect relationship except for the fact that they were killing everybody. THAT I could see as disturbing.

But when Faith dropped into a coma, the Mayor dropped ALL his plans to find her. She was the most important thing in his life, Ascension be damned. I found it VERY touching.

[Shaggy&Daphne]

Fone Bone- Just ignore the ignorant. SMG may not be the hottest thing on the planet however I'll take smarts, class, and old-fashion beauty any day of the week.


- Storm
"Just ignore the ignorant."
You know, I could say the same thing about the people that continue to bash Michael Keatons performance as Batman, saying that he was miscast and totally wrong for the role just because he didn't look or act anything like the comicbook counterpart. That is true ignorants, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who didn't like his performance is just about as shallow as spit!
I'm done, and I will leave this board now, because I don't want to totally ruin it for the people who actually like this show, because I never came here to cause trouble or start "flamebaiting", but simply to express my own opinions.

[Fone Bone]

Who do you guys think is the most PERSONAL Big Bad: Angelus or Dark Willow? My money's on Angelus, since Willow didn't really turn ALL the way evil. Angelus was just a bastard, using his relationship with Buffy to hurt her EVEN MORE. And when he snapped Jenny Calendar's neck like it was nothing? Brrrr!

[the Amanda]

Definately Angelus. Personally, I think that the Dark Willow arc was seriously mishandled. Willow basically turned into some sort of non-Willow black magic entity and made vague threats. Angelus, on the other hand, used everything he had learned about Buffy and company to psychologically torture them.

[Fone Bone]

Definately Angelus. Personally, I think that the Dark Willow arc was seriously mishandled. Willow basically turned into some sort of non-Willow black magic entity and made vague threats. Angelus, on the other hand, used everything he had learned about Buffy and company to psychologically torture them.
Dark Willow would have been better if she had turned evil in the middle of the season, not at the end of it. Still, Alyson Hannigan is a great actress and the last two episodes of the season were awesome!

The thing that sticks with me about Angelus is when he laid Jenny's body on Glies bed for him to find. With the roses and the wine and music and THE CARD it was truly sick and horrible and you could hardly believe this was the same guy who used to make out with Buffy. The scene was so BAD because you had already seen him snap her neck and you knew Giles was gonna be hurt.

He also was a bastard to Holtz by killing his family and turning his young daughter. But that was on another show.;)

[the Amanda]

I think Dark Willow would have been better if she had gradually become evil throughout the season. The Rack arc bothered me because up until then magic had never been like a drug addiction, but like a power addiction. I thought it was clear that Willow was getting too dependent on having power over people (putting spells on Tara, for instance) and would be corrupted gradually that way, so it seemed to me to be a waste of storyline to go with "oh, magic is just like drugs..." and then Willow suddenly becomes evil when Tara dies.

And, oh, you are so right about the Jenny Calendar thing. I think it's one of the most sadistic things on the show. You see Angelus snap Jenny's neck... and then Giles comes home and there's the whole romantic setup... sick sick sick!

And if we're bringing up "old-time" Angelus stuff like Holtz, let's not forget what he did to Dru...

[Fone Bone]

I think Dark Willow would have been better if she had gradually become evil throughout the season. The Rack arc bothered me because up until then magic had never been like a drug addiction, but like a power addiction. I thought it was clear that Willow was getting too dependent on having power over people (putting spells on Tara, for instance) and would be corrupted gradually that way, so it seemed to me to be a waste of storyline to go with "oh, magic is just like drugs..." and then Willow suddenly becomes evil when Tara dies.
Very true. It WAS jarring to turn it into a drug addiction when she was threatening Giles and bringing Buffy back from the dead. I had never considered that. A gradual midway through the season deal would've been better than Tara'a death pushing her over the edge.




And, oh, you are so right about the Jenny Calendar thing. I think it's one of the most sadistic things on the show. You see Angelus snap Jenny's neck... and then Giles comes home and there's the whole romantic setup... sick sick sick!

And if we're bringing up "old-time" Angelus stuff like Holtz, let's not forget what he did to Dru...
Oh god, Dru, poor Dru. If SHE ever got her soul back she'd be a THOUSAND times more insane than either Spike or Angel EVER was reensouled.

[the Amanda]

I was disappointed that they only brought Dru back for a flashback in the last season of Angel. I would have liked to see her do a cameo ep, to see what she thinks of Spike having a soul...

I think if Dru were ever re-ensouled, she would probably just kill herself. Seriously.

[Fone Bone]

That WOULD have been cool. Hopefully she'll be in one of the Buffyverse movies that Joss Whedon is planning. The Girl in Question was a waste of one of the last episodes of Angel.

Speaking of the TV movies, who would everybody like to see show up? Buffy and Angel are long-shots (they would probably rather do a theater film) but I'd really like to see more of Spike, Oz, Illyria, Faith, Willow, Electro Gwen and Giles. (Xander would be cool too, but I'd be afraid they'd kill him off. I also don't think Gunn survived Not Fade Away.:sad: )

[the Amanda]

Oh, God, The Girl in Question was an incredible waste. It didn't actually tie up any loose ends, and its premise and execution were ridiculous. (Angel and Spike are in a bar. Buffy is dancing a stone throw's away, and of course we only see her hair. Fight breaks out. So... what, Buffy just ignores the fight that's carrying on just a few feet away?)


Ooh, TV movie cameos! Of course Buffy and Angel should be in it, but they probably wouldn't be. Spike is practically a given. I also think that Gunn is dead. Oz is a very long shot, but I love Oz and would be thrilled if he were in it. Willow probably wouldn't show either but would be a good addition. Illyria would be nice, I was really warming up to her in the last episode of Angel and there's no way she's dead. I would totally love to see more of Gwen; I think it's sad that there was never a followup to her tryst with Gunn. Xander would be nice. Giles should definately show, he's the Man.... Faith would be a good choice... I wouldn't mind seeing Andrew... Dawn and the Potentials can stay far away... Lorne is great but we won't see him again... did I cover everyone important and alive? :D

[Fone Bone]

Oh, God, The Girl in Question was an incredible waste. It didn't actually tie up any loose ends, and its premise and execution were ridiculous. (Angel and Spike are in a bar. Buffy is dancing a stone throw's away, and of course we only see her hair. Fight breaks out. So... what, Buffy just ignores the fight that's carrying on just a few feet away?)


Ooh, TV movie cameos! Of course Buffy and Angel should be in it, but they probably wouldn't be. Spike is practically a given. I also think that Gunn is dead. Oz is a very long shot, but I love Oz and would be thrilled if he were in it. Willow probably wouldn't show either but would be a good addition. Illyria would be nice, I was really warming up to her in the last episode of Angel and there's no way she's dead. I would totally love to see more of Gwen; I think it's sad that there was never a followup to her tryst with Gunn. Xander would be nice. Giles should definately show, he's the Man.... Faith would be a good choice... I wouldn't mind seeing Andrew... Dawn and the Potentials can stay far away... Lorne is great but we won't see him again... did I cover everyone important and alive? :D
Just about. I think Oz is likely because Joss has planned to add him to the cast of Angel had it been picked up for a sixth season. Seth Green and Joss are on great terms and I KNOW they both want to continue Oz's story in some form.

Willow's a definate maybe too. She hasn't been turning down TV work. I think it would depend on Alyson Hannigan's schedule.

I love Lorne but you're right. There is NO way he'd come back believably. He REALLY doesn't want to hang out with Angel's crew, although if it was just Spike he might reconsider.

[the Amanda]

I wish they would have actually brought back Oz :( I didn't know that Seth Green was actually willing, though. I didn't think he'd ever be on a Buffyverse show again, considering that he sort of left Joss hanging in the middle of Buffy's fourth season. I always thought it was sad that we never saw Oz much outside of his relationship with Willow. He had good chemistry with the rest of the gang (like the time he went patrolling with Buffy in "Living Conditions"). So, Oz should definately come back!

If Alyson Hannigan were that free, then why didn't we see her show up on Angel? I really hated the lame excuse of "the Buffy gang won't help them, they're evil now." Yeah, right, Buffy now won't associate with Angel because of Wolfram & Hart. The Buffy I know would say "screw that stuffy law firm, I'm helping Angel!" And Willow would come with her. So yes, Willow should show, but minus Kennedy.

Poor Lorne, he went through much more than he bargained for, and for no reason other than loyalty to the Angel crew. If there were a movie, I'd like someone to mention what happens to him. Maybe he opens another Caritas, somewhere safer and far away from the Angel/Buffy crowd. That would be awesome. :D

[Master Moron]

You know, everyone seems to be forgetting about Parker. He had sex with Buffy. So, Buffy's had five partners. That's really not slutty. But, who cares? She should be slutty. The only reason all women aren't slutty is because they're oppressed by a male dominated society that insists that they're whores if they act upon their natural instincts. I've always considered Faith to be somewhat feminist as she breaks the shackles of female oppression by having sex with multiple partners without having any emotional connection to them. She is able to do exactly what males do. In that sense she has completely broken free from the female sexual oppression of society.

Anyhow, season 1 and 2 of Angel were better than Buffy, but it went downhill after that. And why do so many people complain about Buffy season 6 and 7? They were nothing compared to the crap heap of season 4. Adam might have been a good villain if he didn't sit around and do NOTHING in every episode.

My favorite villain was the Mayor. Harry Groening was absolutely perfect.

[the Amanda]

I absolutely love the fourth season. I also usually forget that Adam was ever in it. Adam was simply a throwaway villain, the whole point of the fourth season was the character interaction and having a little fun, and lots of good eps came out of it: Hush. Restless. Superstar. New Moon Rising. Fear Itself. A New Man. This Year's Girl. Who Are You. Something Blue. Pangs.


Wow, this makes me want to go watch some fourth season Buffy :D

[Shawn Hopkins]

I missed the part where I get to indignantly defend it, so I'll just say Buffy is my favorite show ever. It's like somebody made a show just for me.

I think people are definitely too harsh in their criticism of seasons four and six and a little too harsh on season seven, although season seven definitely lost direction in my eyes part of the way through. I think it really was time to wrap the show up, by that season.

My favorite Big Bad is Angelus. None of the others could ever cause Buffy even a portion of the pain he did. The line where Buffy, I think it was in Go Fish, calls Angelus "something worse" than the monster of that week is apt, especially with how it's delivered. There are some things worse than death, which is all most of the others offered.

As for Willow the junkie, it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers some people. I didn't feel they really beat you over the head with it until Rack shows up, although I admit it couldn't be more obvious in Wrecked what they're getting at. Even if Dawn jumped up and down on the hood of the car and screamed "Willow has a drug problem!" It was even weirder because, up until then, there was almost no indication people in Sunnydale know what drugs are, then suddenly a major character is addicted to magi-crack. I agree that it would have been better if it had been more subtle, more about power.

I think Sarah Michelle Gellar is pretty. She's not the most attractive woman in the world, but she's easy on the eyes. And Alyson Hannigan is also attractive, just in case anybody starts that "she looks just like girls I see on the bus" crap that always seems to pop up in threads with Buffy bashers.

I'll ask an additional question to go with the others. Has any Buffy episode made you cry? I got a little misty during Becoming Part II and bawled during The Body. I also think the end of Family is very touching.

[Shaggy&Daphne]

You know, everyone seems to be forgetting about Parker. He had sex with Buffy. So, Buffy's had five partners. That's really not slutty. But, who cares? She should be slutty. The only reason all women aren't slutty is because they're oppressed by a male dominated society that insists that they're whores if they act upon their natural instincts. I've always considered Faith to be somewhat feminist as she breaks the shackles of female oppression by having sex with multiple partners without having any emotional connection to them. She is able to do exactly what males do. In that sense she has completely broken free from the female sexual oppression of society.

To be totally honest your ideas and beliefs truely frighten me. People like you are the reason why the morals of this country have absolutely gone to pot.

[the Amanda]

To continue a PERFECTLY PLEASANT BUFFY DISCUSSION :sweat: I will answer Shawn's question. Different eps of Buffy have made me tear up at different times. Becoming Part II and The Body probably are, overall, the saddest eps. Other particularly sad moments are Giles finding Jenny's body ("Passion") and Oz leaving forever ("New Moon Rising").

[Master Moron]

To be totally honest your ideas and beliefs truely frighten me. People like you are the reason why the morals of this country have absolutely gone to pot.

Well, I think an unhealthy attitude towards sex is why there's so many people in our country have emotional problems. You know, I one time read a history book that said that the Native Americans actually had a healthy attitude toward sex and frequently changed sexual partners before the Europeans came in and forced them to adopt Christian values(well, the ones that they didn't kill anyway). While I'm sure to the Europeans the Native Americans were immoral, to the Native Americans they had no concept of sex being immoral, for they had no reason to.

Anyway, I actually did used to think sex should be reserved for the ones you love, but after 4 years of college I've changed my attitude completely. I've noticed that people who do have multiple partners are more likely to get themselves in a stable relationship because they've had more experience with the opposite sex. Those who've had few sexual experiences often have trouble approaching the opposite sex and therefore have trouble getting into a stable relationship.

I also can't really think of sex as immoral. I mean, I have friends that are both male and female who have had sex with over a dozen partners. As long as they're safe, I don't have a problem with it. I know that they're good people, and the amount of people they have sex with doesn't change that fact.

And perhaps I should inform you that the idea of monogamy was really only put into place so kings and emperors could have multiple partners. If a peasant had sex with multiple females and made them all pregnant, there would be less women for the king and emperor to have sex with and it was considered important for the king to have many heirs. That is why the lower classes were encouraged to be monogamous and that is why we continue to have that attitude today. Of course, there's also the religious reasons, but I won't get into that as I might offend someone.

I'm not saying I'm opposed to monogamy. I actually do want to be married someday and don't particularly care to have multiple sex partners. I'm just saying that I don't think people who don't believe in monogamy are immoral people. I have no right to tell them what to do. Everyone should live their life the way they want to as long as it doesn't hurt other people. Obviously, if they have a disease and are having unprotected sex it's another story. But, as long as they're being safe I feel that I have no right to make a moral judgement against them.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

So yes, Willow should show, but minus Kennedy.
AMEN to that!

[Fone Bone]

I missed the part where I get to indignantly defend it, so I'll just say Buffy is my favorite show ever. It's like somebody made a show just for me.

I think people are definitely too harsh in their criticism of seasons four and six and a little too harsh on season seven, although season seven definitely lost direction in my eyes part of the way through. I think it really was time to wrap the show up, by that season.

My favorite Big Bad is Angelus. None of the others could ever cause Buffy even a portion of the pain he did. The line where Buffy, I think it was in Go Fish, calls Angelus "something worse" than the monster of that week is apt, especially with how it's delivered. There are some things worse than death, which is all most of the others offered.

As for Willow the junkie, it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers some people. I didn't feel they really beat you over the head with it until Rack shows up, although I admit it couldn't be more obvious in Wrecked what they're getting at. Even if Dawn jumped up and down on the hood of the car and screamed "Willow has a drug problem!" It was even weirder because, up until then, there was almost no indication people in Sunnydale know what drugs are, then suddenly a major character is addicted to magi-crack. I agree that it would have been better if it had been more subtle, more about power.

I think Sarah Michelle Gellar is pretty. She's not the most attractive woman in the world, but she's easy on the eyes. And Alyson Hannigan is also attractive, just in case anybody starts that "she looks just like girls I see on the bus" crap that always seems to pop up in threads with Buffy bashers.

I'll ask an additional question to go with the others. Has any Buffy episode made you cry? I got a little misty during Becoming Part II and bawled during The Body. I also think the end of Family is very touching.
I bawl at the end of Becoming part 2 and The Gift (who doesn't lose it at the sight of Spike sobbing uncontrolable?) The Body freaks me out so much that I don't cry, I'm just stunned. I teared up in season seven when Spike was being tortured by the First and it asks him why he thinks he'd be any good at all in this world and he says "Because she does. Because she believes in me." The end of Grave gets me too.

As for Angel I have a weak spot for I Will Remember You.

A TON of other Buffyverse episodes have made me cry, but those are the biggest.

[Nightflower]

I just want to step in and say that you guys are awesome forum posters for being the bigger people and continuing a mature discussion about Buffy without resorting to flames. :)

Anyway, I consider myself a fairly big Buffy fan, but I'm very critical of it too and I found a lot of problems with the show. Mostly to do with the fourth, sixth and seventh seasons though, and I understand a lot of people had problems with those too.

[the Amanda]

Fone -- How could I forget about the Gift, that's a good sad ep. And, oh, I forgot Lover's Walk. I couldn't really cry because most of it is so funny, but the end where Cordy and Oz walk into the warehouse and Cordy gets skewered is really sad.


Nightflower -- Awww, another person who had problems with the fourth season. I love it! The other two seasons most definately have problems though.... but even my least favorite season (six) has lots of good stuff (musical! :D )

[Fone Bone]

Fone -- How could I forget about the Gift, that's a good sad ep. And, oh, I forgot Lover's Walk. I couldn't really cry because most of it is so funny, but the end where Cordy and Oz walk into the warehouse and Cordy gets skewered is really sad.


Nightflower -- Awww, another person who had problems with the fourth season. I love it! The other two seasons most definately have problems though.... but even my least favorite season (six) has lots of good stuff (musical! :D )
Next to season six, four had the weakest story arc but it had more awesome standalone episodes than probably any season: Hush, Something Blue, The Harsh Light of Day, Restless. I know I only listed four but they were just SO good!:D Superstar, New Moon Rising, the Faith two-parter, and Wild at Heart were great too.

[Master Moron]

You know, I just remembered that I have a question after watching reruns of Angel on TNT. What happened to Nathan Reed? After Holland Manors was killed by Darla and Druscilla he was put in charge of Wolfram and Hart, then Linwood took over and I'm not sure what happened to Nathan Reed. Does anyone know?

[Fone Bone]

You know, I just remembered that I have a question after watching reruns of Angel on TNT. What happened to Nathan Reed? After Holland Manors was killed by Darla and Druscilla he was put in charge of Wolfram and Hart, then Linwood took over and I'm not sure what happened to Nathan Reed. Does anyone know?
Nothing happened to him on the show, he just disappeared after season two. Always bugged me. Also bugged me that Angel killed a Senior Partner in Reprise and it was never brought up again. In fact in the last couple episodes of Angel it was implied that the Wolf, the Ram, and the Hart were all still alive.

[Storm]

Somethings are better left unsolved my friend ;)

Question: If S5's The Gift was the real series ender how would Willow, Xander, Angel and co really handle Buffy's death? Would any of the Buffy cast members become Angel regulars? Would Buffy Summers herself be better off dead than her active S6 and S7 days?


- Storm

[Stu]

There's a lot to Buffy, my favourite season is season 2. I thought Angel was the coolest villian ever, completly bad ass. I wondered how they'd top a bad ass like that, and the anwser was a complete 180, with The Mayor. Brilliant stuff.

Unfortunatly, all the 'big bads' after that sucked. Adam was a waste of space. Glory was really annoying. Willow felt too rushed. It became so bad for a few seasons, before becoming somewhat tolerable for it's final season.

We've recently had season 3 re runs everyday, and I was truly surprised to remember how good it was. I rarely re-watch this show, but they still hold up, very entertaining viewing.

Still, like Angel much more. Best TV show ever...

[Storm]

Angel is okay. I watch it however Buffy will always be my favorite. Angel S1 and S2 were good however S3 and S4 were just uggg.... Connor, basically ruined everything for me. I only watched S4 for the Faith and Willow appearances and also Gwen. I love me some Gwen! S5 was nice. That's when I began to watch it and liked it. Thanks Spike! S5 and S1 are the only seasons I can actually watch. Angel is just not my cup of tea. I need to relate to the characters. I don't relate to a 1000 year old vampire... I do relate to Buffy and the Scoobies' high school problems more.

Adam was an okay villain. Not the best but he sure enough bets out some of Angel's foes like Jasmine for example. I liked Glory. She was funny and her minions ruled. Her character was suppose to be annoying. Every hero has an annoying villain. How rushed can you get w/ Evil Willow? I do think they took Evil Willow in the wrong direction. Something didn't click. Okay your girlfriend died and now what.... they only thing she had on Buffy was that she was Buffy's friend and that Buffy didn't really want to hurt her. Evil Willow did have her cool moments though. I actually liked Willow being bad.

BtVS' later seasons were not that bad. IMHO S4 and S5 were still good seasons. S4 gets a lot of slack however out of all the seasons it has the most entertaing and memberoable episodes. S5 was just great. I loved it. Buffy was becoming full circle w/ her duty as a slayer. I will admit the golden age of Buffy is still the best however the latter seasons were still rockin and entertaining.


- Storm

[Fone Bone]

I like Buffy and Angel equally. They really compliment each other. They seem to be two sides of the same coin. I love the mythology Buffy started and the way Angel expanded on it. It was BRILLIANT to make Illyria an Old One and expand on the story begun in The Harvest on Buffy.

[Storm]

I like Buffy and Angel equally. They really compliment each other. They seem to be two sides of the same coin. I love the mythology Buffy started and the way Angel expanded on it. It was BRILLIANT to make Illyria an Old One and expand on the story begun in The Harvest on Buffy.
Illyria was one of the best things that happened on Angel. I liked her better than Fred. Don't get me wrong I don't completely dislike the show Angel. I just prefer Buffy. I use to be like you Fone Bone. I use to like Buffy and Angel equally. I don't know what happen. I cried when Joyce died... I didn't feel any remorse when Fred died. Well, a little bit because Amy did such a great performance however I really didn't feel for her or Wesley. Like so many of the regulars on Angel... Fred didn't have a lot of focus. Gunn was just the black guy who smashed things, Lorne didn't really help when the gang out together. Angel, Spike, Wesley, Cordelia (thanks to her visions), and Faith are my ideal Fang Gang. Fred, Gunn, and Lorne just didn't click with me. What I'm saying about Fred, Gunn, and Lorne can be easily be said about Giles, Willow, and Xander during the later seasons of Buffy. Just a matter of preference. Although if Angel spawned into a comic series or a TV movie I will watch it because it's the Buffyverse. I'll watch or read anything in the Buffyverse.


- Storm

[Master Moron]

Nothing happened to him on the show, he just disappeared after season two. Always bugged me. Also bugged me that Angel killed a Senior Partner in Reprise and it was never brought up again. In fact in the last couple episodes of Angel it was implied that the Wolf, the Ram, and the Hart were all still alive.


Actually, in the first episode of season 4, which just reran yesterday on TNT, Lilah mentions that one of the senior partners is named Mr. Suvarta. So, it would appear that Wolf, Ram, and Hart are not the only senior partners. There could be dozens or even hundreds of senior partners. We really don't know because they haven't really given us any information on them.

Anyway, so I guess I should just assume that the actor who played Nathan Reed didn't want to commit to season 4? They still should have come up with a way to write him off...that's lame. So, they never mention him again after season 2?

[creeper]

Does anyone but me think that a good ending for Angel would be Buffy and the rest of the slayers saving them at the last moment. I would like to see Angel staked as Buffy is trying to come to his rescue. That would be an ending. Then Spike comforting her,and her turning away from him and just leaving with the immortal.

[Fone Bone]

Actually, in the first episode of season 4, which just reran yesterday on TNT, Lilah mentions that one of the senior partners is named Mr. Suvarta. So, it would appear that Wolf, Ram, and Hart are not the only senior partners. There could be dozens or even hundreds of senior partners. We really don't know because they haven't really given us any information on them.

Anyway, so I guess I should just assume that the actor who played Nathan Reed didn't want to commit to season 4? They still should have come up with a way to write him off...that's lame. So, they never mention him again after season 2?Ah, but The Wolf, The Ram and The Hart were never given proper names. Mr. Suvarta could STILL be one of them and it would be cool if there were only three Senior Partners, the ones the law firm was named after.

And no, Nathan Reed was never mentioned again after season two.

[audiecugi]

What about all the Buffy and Angel books and comics? Are they as good as the shows, not as good as the shows but still worth reading, or not worth the paper their printed on? Everythime I'm in the book store I consider picking one up, but I'm just not sure if I'll like them.

I've read a good portion of all the Star Wars novels. For those of you who have read both Buffy and Star Wars books, how do they compare to each other? Thanks!

[Storm]

I only read the BtVS comics and they are really good. The three TPBs/Graphic Novels that I recommend are the following:


Tales of the Slayers: If you are big on the Slayer mythos I suggest this one. TotS foretells the stories of other slayers such as The Primitive, Nikki Woods, and of course Fray. These stories are written by some of the best Buffy writers like Joss Whedon, Doug Petrie, Jane Espenson, and even Amber Benson. It's a must for all Buffy fans.


BtVS: Ring of Fire: Another great BtVS comic story. RoF takes place during Season Two when Angel went all evil. Doug Petrie scripts this wonderful tale and the art and dialouge are just a much treat. The best and most touching moment is when Giles grieves for Jenny and plus Kendra is there too and she kicks some major butt. I recommend this one.


Fray: I also recommend this one although I haven't completed it yet. I'll be writing a review on it real soon. So look out for that and it might help you base your opinion. It's very good and a nice bonus to the Slayer-mythos.



- Storm




What about all the Buffy and Angel books and comics? Are they as good as the shows, not as good as the shows but still worth reading, or not worth the paper their printed on? Everythime I'm in the book store I consider picking one up, but I'm just not sure if I'll like them.

I've read a good portion of all the Star Wars novels. For those of you who have read both Buffy and Star Wars books, how do they compare to each other? Thanks!

[Fone Bone]

I only read the BtVS comics and they are really good. The three TPBs/Graphic Novels that I recommend are the following:


Tales of the Slayers: If you are big on the Slayer mythos I suggest this one. TotS foretells the stories of other slayers such as The Primitive, Nikki Woods, and of course Fray. These stories are written by some of the best Buffy writers like Joss Whedon, Doug Petrie, Jane Espenson, and even Amber Benson. It's a must for all Buffy fans.


BtVS: Ring of Fire: Another great BtVS comic story. RoF takes place during Season Two when Angel went all evil. Doug Petrie scripts this wonderful tale and the art and dialouge are just a much treat. The best and most touching moment is when Giles grieves for Jenny and plus Kendra is there too and she kicks some major butt. I recommend this one.


Fray: I also recommend this one although I haven't completed it yet. I'll be writing a review on it real soon. So look out for that and it might help you base your opinion. It's very good and a nice bonus to the Slayer-mythos.



- StormYou are going to love the end of Fray, Storm. It is awesome. Where can I find Tales of the Slayer?

[Fone Bone]

Yeah, I know it's not cool to doublepost but I have another question. Rank the seasons of Buffy and Angel. Here, I'll do it first.

Buffy

1. Three

2. Five

3. Two

4. Seven

5. Four

6. Six

7. One

Angel

1. Five

2. Two

3. One

4. Four

5. Three

Altogether:

Buffy Year 3, Buffy Year 5, Angel Year 5, Buffy Year 2, Buffy Year 7, Angel Year 2, Buffy Year 4, Angel Year 1, Angel Year Four, Buffy Year Six, Angel Year 3, and Buffy Year 1.

How bout you folks?

[Stu]

Angel
4
5
3
2
1

Buffy
3
2
1
8
4/5/6/7 Sorry, didn't like these at all. :sad:

[Storm]

4/5/6/7 Sorry, didn't like these at all. :sad:
What a surprise :rolleyes: :p


Hmmm.... lemme see:


BtVS:

Season Five

Season Two

Season Three

Season Seven

Season One

Season Four

Season Six




Angel:

Season Four

Season Five

Season One

Season Two

Season Three



BTW, Fone Bone I went on TFAW.com (http://www.tfaw.com) and ordered Tales of the Slayer (which is still in stock). They have a mini Buffy store with DVDs, Comics, Toy, and everything Buffy. It's a must see.



- Storm

[Ruffian]

Buffy
1. Two
2. Three
3. One
4. Four
5. Six
6. Five
7. Seven

Angel
1. One
2. Five
3. Two
4. Three
5. Four

[Fone Bone]

What a surprise :rolleyes: :p


Hmmm.... lemme see:


BtVS:

Season Five

Season Two

Season Three

Season Seven

Season One

Season Four

Season Six




Angel:

Season Four

Season Five

Season One

Season Two

Season Three



BTW, Fone Bone I went on TFAW.com (http://www.tfaw.com/) and ordered Tales of the Slayer (which is still in stock). They have a mini Buffy store with DVDs, Comics, Toy, and everything Buffy. It's a must see.



- Storm
Cool, I'll check it out!

Who are everyone's favorite characters? Mine are Spike, Anya, The Mayor, Wesley, and Lorne.

[Shawn Hopkins]

For Buffy comics, Blood of Carthage is also really good. It isn't by any of the Buffy TV writers, but I liked the feel of it and its flashback take on Xander and Willow as children. Great art in those sequences by Chyna Clugston-Major.

The Origin is also a good read.

The Dust Waltz is probably the only Buffy comic I have that's truly terrible, and I have almost all of them.

You can try out some Buffy E-Comics at this site.

http://www.darkhorse.com/search/search.php?sstring=buffy+the+vampire+slayer&type=tpb

When it comes to Buffy seasons I'm:
Two
Three
Five
Six
Four
One
Seven

At least today. I haven't seen all of Angel, but I'm two, three, one so far.

[cheungcheung]

Fray was really good i think, although i feel that the ending was extremely rushed...

definitely tell us what u think when u are done, storm.

anyways, as for Buffy:

1.) Season 2

2.) Season 3

3.) Season 5

4.) Season 1

5.) Season 4

6.) Season 7

7.) Season 6

Season 6 was really crappy in my opinion, although upon a second viewing, it is not as bad as i remember..

The real pity was season 7, that had an amazing premiere and a great run of eps at the beginning but then really lost its focus in the middle and limped toward an OK ending... it could have been really great... :sad:

[Master Moron]

I actually really liked season 6. I loved how dark and serious the series became.

Buffy
1.Season 3:The mayor kicked ass. And it had Oz.
2.Season 6:I liked the trio, and I liked Spike's role in this season. And I liked how dark and serious it was.
3.Season 1:I liked the Master, the annointed one, and Darla as villains. Though, this season seems somewhat unpolished. Lots of little things here and there that I don't like.
Season 7:I liked Andrew, Spike, and the First and Caleb were good villains for the most part.
Season 5:The first half sucked cause it had Riley in it. But after they got rid of him the season started to get good.
Season 2:Sorry, I know a lot of people love this season, but as much as I love Spike as a good guy, as a villain he's kind of worthless. I mean, Buffy has shown in later seasons that she's way more powerful than him. And after we've seen Buffy beat the Master how are we supposed to take Angel, Spike, and Druscilla as a serious threat?
Season 4:One word, Riley.

Angel
Season 1:Loved Holland, Lilah, Lindsey, and Lee as villains.
Season 2:Darla rules
Season 4:This season started off as bad as season 3, but then I missed a bunch of episodes and I was like, why is everyone evil? Then I realized that this show was back.
Season 5:Harmony and Illyria was cool, but parts seemed really corny.
Season 3:Hated Justine, didn't care for Sahjohn, and Angel became too cuddly.

[Storm]

The real pity was season 7, that had an amazing premiere and a great run of eps at the beginning but then really lost its focus in the middle and limped toward an OK ending... it could have been really great... :sad:

Ditto. Season seven had it's highlights however it's like after "Conversations w/ Dead People" everything went downhill. I blame those Slayers in Training! :p It should of just been Buffy, Willow, Xander, Giles, Anya, Dawn, and The Council fighting the new big bad with the exceptions of Faith, Andrew, and Prinicpal Wood. No slayers in training.


- Storm