Jim Carrey for Joker! [Archive]

AF$

08-18-2004, 02:10 PM

Seriously, I think the man is really up to the job.I hated Nicolson as the clown prince of crime.Not only was he physically far from the icon, his acting wasn't much to comment on either.
Jim is tall, well built and has the maniac glint inherent in those eyes.I think he'd be PERFECT for the part.Jim is CRAZY!Just think what could happen if they ever do cast Jim for Joker!
Absolutely will not happen, for one because he was already the Riddler, and also because Carrey I think is a little too over the top for this role. I realize the Joker is crazy, but Carrey makes characters a little too fantastical.

Batman's Biggest Fan

08-18-2004, 02:28 PM

Absolutely not. If Jack Nicholson wasn't too old, I'd ask them to bring him back.

Knight

08-18-2004, 02:35 PM

I know they wont bring him in to be the Joker because of his past affiliation but I dont like that pick anyway. Carey is a very funny comedian but he doesnt have anything that makes me say "Joker".

TheEvilClown

08-18-2004, 03:43 PM

I am a big Jim Carrey fan. but he is no Clown Prince of Crime. If you ask me Christen Glover would be a better Joker than Jim Carrey

Sandoz

08-18-2004, 03:50 PM

I am a big Jim Carrey fan. but he is no Clown Prince of Crime. If you ask me Christen Glover would be a better Joker than Jim Carrey
Do you mean Crispin Glover? :D I agree with you on that one. No one can play a psycho like him.

As for Carrey, no way.

Icer

08-18-2004, 03:55 PM

He already did the Joker

Even though he was supposed to be the Riddler

Shaggy&Daphne

08-18-2004, 03:56 PM

Seriously, I think the man is really up to the job.I hated Nicolson as the clown prince of crime.Not only was he physically far from the icon, his acting wasn't much to comment on either.
Jim is tall, well built and has the maniac glint inherent in those eyes.I think he'd be PERFECT for the part.Jim is CRAZY!Just think what could happen if they ever do cast Jim for Joker!Yawn. So what you are saying is that Jim Carry is a better actor than Jack Nicolson. You got alot of nerve, you know that? You know, it's much wiser to keep your mouth shut and let people think that you're ignorant rather than open it to let it be confirmed.

ClockStomper

08-18-2004, 03:58 PM

Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin WAS the Joker in a Power Ranger mask. Who better to play the real thing?

Shaggy&Daphne

08-18-2004, 04:18 PM

This is something I wanted to add in my previous post, but I was to angry at the time.

Michael Keaton would make the PERFECT Joker if you ask me. His performance in Beetlejuice confirms that. When they do introduce the Joker in future sequals to Batman Begins they should really consider him.

Joker85

08-18-2004, 04:19 PM

Well I agree that Jim Carey is not right for the role, as I cannot stand him as an actor, but Shaggy&Daphne, your comments were just rude and completely unneccessary.

I also agree with whoever said that Willem Defoe was playing the Joker in a power rangers mask:p

Terminatah

08-18-2004, 04:49 PM

Absolutely will not happen, for one because he was already the Riddler, and also because Carrey I think is a little too over the top for this role. I realize the Joker is crazy, but Carrey makes characters a little too fantastical.If Chris Nolan wanted Carrey, he could get Carrey, Riddler or no Riddler. As for his "fantastical" tendencies, for that I oppose the most categorical denial. Carrey has a range and control about himself that is inhuman. He could play the Joker a million different ways, not just in that over-the-top squash-and-stretch you saw in Batman Forever. In case anyone hadn't noticed, that entire movie was meant to be overblown with camp and excess.

Yawn. So what you are saying is that Jim Carry is a better actor than Jack Nicolson. You got alot of nerve, you now that? You now, it's much wiser to keep your mouth shut and let people think that you're ignorant rather than open it to let it be confirmed.GOOD ADVICE.

-Terminatah

Chris Sanders MSX

08-18-2004, 04:58 PM

I know they wont bring him in to be the Joker because of his past affiliation but I dont like that pick anyway. Carey is a very funny comedian but he doesnt have anything that makes me say "Joker".
I always said Carey's Riddler was more of a Joker when I saw the movie. I think they should give him a call, he'd fit the role fine. Fans know whats going on and no one would instantly associate it with the older post Batman Returns sequals. Carey has proven his range as an actor, he can play the pissed but still terminally insane joker great.. as well as the mild mannered man he was before Batman knocked him in the vat.

Paint him up and most people wouldn't recognise him, also don't give him any billing, let it be more of a shocker to those going to see the film and aren't in on things like us.

Donald Duck 12

08-18-2004, 05:00 PM

Jim Carey as the Joker? I always pitted Robin Williams for that role. Both of them are great comedians that need to get back to their bread and butter, or at least their crackers and mustard. I love Jim, but I just can't picture him as the Joker. Now have Jim reprise the role of the Riddler (he's still living) that would be awesome! And Willia Dafoe as the Joker? I always thought Normie would be great as Two-Face (he is a Tommy look alike). Here is how I'd cast the Batman movies (it was tough and I didn't get many charchtors cast):

Batman: Kevin Conroy or Harrison Ford (I really wish they weren't aging!)
Robin: Will Friedle
Alfred: Alan Young
Jason Todd: Shawn Ashmore
Joker: Robin Williams
Commisener Gordon: Adam West
Bullock: Burt Ward
Bane: Lou Ferringo
Two-Face: William Dafoe
Superman: Brendan Fraiser

Fone Bone

08-18-2004, 05:07 PM

Marvel_Knight

08-18-2004, 05:16 PM

No offense Phantasm but...NO. I didn't like him as the Riddler (well somewhat) I wouldn't like him as Joker. In a Begins sequel, maybe Glover or Jude Law. For an older Joker (a la DKR), y'know, I've always wanted to post this cast:

Batman/Bruce Wayne: Clint Eastwood or Keaton
Joker: Mark Hamill
Superman: Bruce Cambell (My favorite choice!)

Dunno about the rest. But yeah Hamill's awesome. Carrey could play Riddler again if he wasn't over the top.

Phantasm

08-18-2004, 05:43 PM

He already did the Joker

Even though he was supposed to be the Riddler
That is what made me lean towards the idea. Although his performance as Riddler was crappy, he COULD do Joker.I mean he did Joker as the Riddler so might do a great Joker as the Joker!:p

Yeah Mark Hamil is DEAD ON!In the voicing part,at least.Does he look like the joker though?

John6777

08-18-2004, 05:45 PM

I think Carrey would be great. He only looks just like Joker. Especially Boland's Joker. He has the right look for it since he looks exactly like Joker.

John

Phantasm

08-18-2004, 05:47 PM

Yawn. So what you are saying is that Jim Carry is a better actor than Jack Nicolson. You got alot of nerve, you know that? You know, it's much wiser to keep your mouth shut and let people think that you're ignorant rather than open it to let it be confirmed.
So you are saying that I should keep my mouth shut because YOU would oppose my ideas?

And no.Jim Carrey is not neccesarily a BETTER actor, just seemingly more of a manic than Nicolson is.

Failure

08-18-2004, 06:04 PM

To all:

We're all going to have differences of opinions. However, we have to remain respectful of each other's opinions and not resort to belittlement. I hate to sound like an after-school special, but certain "ignorant" remarks warranted this.

On topic:
Personally, I thought JC's Riddler was more Joker-esque than the Riddler I had in mind. I think that he could pull off a pretty damn good Joker himself, if he got a shot. The Joker's about as off-the-wall as you can get, requiring a lot of range to pull off, and like Terminatah said I think JC's got the range to play it.

True Noir

08-18-2004, 06:14 PM

That's cool. Carrey would make a perfect Joker. Hopefully, he'll do as good as Jack N. did in Batman 1.

Fone Bone

08-18-2004, 06:37 PM

That is what made me lean towards the idea. Although his performance as Riddler was crappy, he COULD do Joker.I mean he did Joker as the Riddler so might do a great Joker as the Joker!:p

Yeah Mark Hamil is DEAD ON!In the voicing part,at least.Does he look like the joker though?
Watch Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. He most certainly does.

AF$

08-18-2004, 06:39 PM

And no.Jim Carrey is not neccesarily a BETTER actor, just seemingly more of a manic than Nicolson is.I doubt it, have you SEEN a Lakers game? Also, this would not work. Carrey is supposed to be playing a serious and dark character in the Unfortunate Events movies and the trailers have shown him as anything but. I'm not denying the guy has range, but I have a feeling we would get something not unlike his performance in The Cable Guy. At any rate, it's not going to happen.

Donald Duck 12

08-18-2004, 07:15 PM

Yeah, my man Ace needs to get back in comic shape. He is just killing me here. He is a comedian and there is nothing wrong with that.

Shaggy&Daphne

08-18-2004, 07:40 PM

So you are saying that I should keep my mouth shut because YOU would oppose my ideas?

And no.Jim Carrey is not neccesarily a BETTER actor, just seemingly more of a manic than Nicolson is.Obviously you are intitled to your own opinions and I'm fine with that, but you can't have Jim Carry as the Joker in a movie. He's to cartoony. I know alot of people think that Mark hammil would make a perfect Joker for a live-action movie, but he would be all wrong for the role as well for the same reason as Carry. They are both cartoony, which is something you just don't want for a live action movie, unless you're making a Joel Schumacher Batman movie. Also, disliking or "hating" an actors portrayal of a comic-book character due to their physical attributes is just absured and ridiculous. Tell me were you can fined a 6 '5 beanpole, with a long pointy nose and chin, who also happens to be a great athlete and a great actor. It doesn't exist. No one exists that resembles a comicbook character. What you have to understand is that comicbooks are set in an environment that is an exaggerated reality. When making a movie based on the material it has to be modified so it can be set in the real world. Jack Nicholson was great as the Joker. His Joker was a realistic interpretation of the character. How the Joker would act in the real world. He is a psycho who's mind snapes after being dropped into a vat of chemicals by Batman. That's how Jack plays it, and he was magnificant.

"Never rub another man's rubarb! Ahahahahaha!"

"I'm only laughing on the outside. My smile is just skin deep. If you could see inside I'm really crying. You might join me for a weep. Ahahahahaha!"

"And now folks, it's time for who do you trust...hubba hubba hubba...money money money...who do you trust..me, I'm giving away free money. And where is the Batman...he's at home, washin his tights! Ahahahaha...!"

"And now comes the part, were I relieve you the little people of the burden of your failed and useless lives, but as my plastic surgeon always said...if you gotta go, go with a smile!"

I love this movie! It should be re-released in theaters!

Shaggy&Daphne

08-18-2004, 09:01 PM

We all know you've got a passion for Michael Keaton, but he just doesn't have the right build or acting chops to play the Joker.
Obviously you haven't seen many of Michael Keatons performances. Did you see him in Clean and Sober? His performance in that film was incredible and he should have won and Oscar, but his name didn't even make it onto the list. He was robbed, which once again proves that award shows are a joke.
Michael Keaton is one of those actors that can do both comedy and drama. There are no limits to his acting ability and plays every role given to him to perfection. Whether a scene calls for humor, drama, or action, he's your man every time. I watch his face and body language closely in every one of his films, and he is always up to the demands of every role. He is as good and actor as any of the most celebrated stars, past or present, but is underappreciated.

shogunthethird

08-18-2004, 09:57 PM

personally, connecting Jim Carrey and Batman again leaves a bad taste in my mouth...however I am convinced he'd do a bang up job as Lupin the Third

SilverKnight

08-18-2004, 11:06 PM

[Effusive gushing about Jack Nicholson as Joker]You are indeed "intitled" to your opinion, but it would do well not to shove your opinion down our throats as unmitigated fact. Personally, I didn't find Nicholson's portrayal as anywhere near convincing. Joker is a raving lunatic, and completely chaotic--a thousand apologies, but I'm afraid that I saw neither lunacy nor chaos in Nicholson's portrayal. I personally saw a great actor being miscast. He did a good job for what he was given, but it simply never felt...well, right.

[Even more effusive gushing about Michael Keaton]Michael Keaton is a great actor, who has an incredible range. He's very underrated. However, I'll have to agree with GMahler on this one. Michael wouldn't work for Joker, personally. I hold no doubt he could play the Joker, but I'd rather someone who can play the Joker and actually have them somewhat look the part. Just once. If I'm going to pay $8.50 to see a movie based on a comic book, I want them to look somewhere near the characters they're portraying. Pardon me for being shallow, but there you go.

Shnay

08-18-2004, 11:29 PM

Obviously you are intitled to your own opinions and I'm fine with that, but you can't have Jim Carry as the Joker in a movie. He's to cartoony.
Have you seen Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? He's far from cartoony in that. I don't really have any opinion on the Joker issue, but I'd like to say that it's unfair to narrowly define an actor based on the first few movies he's done.

Pyro

08-18-2004, 11:29 PM

Paint him up and most people wouldn't recognise him, also don't give him any billing, let it be more of a shocker to those going to see the film and aren't in on things like us.Hehe, If people could recognize him as the Grinch, then they could definately recognize him as Joker.:D

Phantasm

08-18-2004, 11:48 PM

Jim did do a pretty good job as the Mask...which is slightly similar to the joker.SLIGHTLY!

guinaevere

08-19-2004, 12:09 AM

personally, connecting Jim Carrey and Batman again leaves a bad taste in my mouth...however I am convinced he'd do a bang up job as Lupin the ThirdHey. Now that's a possibility!

I personally saw a great actor being miscast. He did a good job for what he was given, but it simply never felt...well, right.I liked him as the Joker. But what I really wanted to comment on (read: rant about) are the never-ending onslought of Hollywood producers who throw big name stars into roles, because "Boobie, So-and-So Sells!"

I'm sick of seeing the same five actors in EVERY movie, when there are lesser known, more talented folks out there who, for one reason or another, are lesser known. Yes, there are some big name actors out there who are very talented. But that doesn't mean they're perfect for EVERY role. ARGH.

Okay. sorry. I think... I think that's out of my system...

I agree that Michael Keaton AND Jim Carrey are both very good, often- under- appreciated- for- their- talent actors.

I can't visualize Keaton as Mr J.

And to me, Carrey and a lot of other actors have too much baggage to be the Joker I want to see. And by that, I mean, when I see them in a role these days, I see them as THAT actor, and not the character he's trying to portray.

Patrick Bateman

08-19-2004, 02:31 AM

Personally, I think Crispin Glover, who played George McFly in Back to the Future, and more recently the title character in Willard, suits the Joker role perfectly.

Ferquin

08-19-2004, 03:48 AM

Here's a creepy-ass mockup I made of Mark Hamill as the Joker. Please excuse the quality.

http://www.ferquin.net/images/miscmedia/hamill_joker.jpg

I think he can pull it off with some makeup. He isn't too old to play the Joker.

Carrey (while having the right physical build) would spaz out way too much and totally ham up the role, whereas Hamill knows Joker inside and out.

shogunthethird

08-19-2004, 03:58 AM

ZorBrak

08-19-2004, 04:23 AM

I saw Jude Law for the joker. No question.

Wesyeed

08-19-2004, 05:41 AM

Have any of you seen LAZYTOWN.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitness/07/29/kids.exercise.ap/story.vert.lazy.town.ap.gif

http://www.lazytown.com/media/content/about/concept/robbierotten.jpg

This guy's act has a little bit of the Joker and JC's Grinch mixed together I think. Just thought I'd mention this.

Pyro

08-19-2004, 11:57 AM

^That's not his real chin, is it?
He looks very Jokerish, and he already has his shoes!:p
EDIT: I just caught a couple of minutes of this show today, which was weird considering I had never heard of it before. It was soo weird. I'll never understand why kid shows are so disturbing. And it's definitely not a real chin.

Damien

08-19-2004, 12:13 PM

I'd love to see Tim Roth play the Joker.

He was Mr. Orange in Resevoir Dogs, the guy who holds up the diner in Pulp Fiction, Gen. Thade in Planet of the Apes, and Ted the Bellboy in Four Rooms.

Shaggy&Daphne

08-19-2004, 12:27 PM

I agree that Michael Keaton AND Jim Carrey are both very good, often- under- appreciated- for- their- talent actors.

I can't visualize Keaton as Mr J.

And to me, Carrey and a lot of other actors have too much baggage to be the Joker I want to see. And by that, I mean, when I see them in a role these days, I see them as THAT actor, and not the character he's trying to portray.However, despite some ones star statues, if they are a good enough actor they can seemlessly disappear within their character and become totally unrecognizable to the point that there is no trace of the actors real personality within his performance. I'm not saying that Carry can pull that off, but their are alot of other high profile actors out their that can. Michael Keaton sure is capable of it.

BatKid

08-19-2004, 02:15 PM

There's only 4 people I've really considered for Joker, in order:

Jude Law
Adrien Brody
Vincent Gallo
Crispin Glover

These actors ALL have the physical characteristics for Joker, and they have some acting talent.

Phantasm

08-19-2004, 05:57 PM

Jude Law will do...he definatley has that thing in his eyes...

PaQ

08-20-2004, 03:13 AM

I enjoyed Nicholson as Joker. For how the character was written in that movie, I thought he did a good job of portraying him.

I just can't see Carrey as Joker.. I just don't think I'd get a sinister vibe from him. While I think Crispin Glover works the evil part, I just don't see him as a hysterical maniac..

I'd prefer an unknown, or lesser known actor.. Big names just usually don't work in these types of roles.. especially with the last few bat films.. :shrug:

Fone Bone

08-20-2004, 05:23 AM

this is going to sound a little wierd but ironically fitting: Jim Carrey as the Creeper, if there were ever a role for a spastic rubberfaced funnyman, then Jack Ryder is the one and as long as we're casting here, how about Wayne "Scorpius" Pygram as Mr. Freeze? the dude already looks like freeze-dried death and anyone who's seen Farscape can attest to his deadpan creepy factorWayne Pygram as Freeze SHOULD be a no-brainer. But you know suits. They'd rather have a "reliable box office draw" like Arnold Schwartzeneger so they can pay him $20 million.:rolleyes:

David64

08-20-2004, 11:00 AM

In my opinion, Jim Carrey as the Joker would be an ok idea. I think he might pull it off, but not as good as Jack. Jack Nicolson just looks like a sick psycho. He was born for the Joker.

I think Mark Hamill should play the Joker. He might not be the best actor, but he sure has the voice for it.

Knight

08-20-2004, 12:48 PM

this is going to sound a little wierd but ironically fitting: Jim Carrey as the Creeper, if there were ever a role for a spastic rubberfaced funnyman, then Jack Ryder is the one and as long as we're casting hereJim Carey would make a excellent Creeper. The Creeper is goofy and more in line with characters Carey has played in the past like The Mask,the Joker is not.

Wesyeed

08-20-2004, 11:29 PM

Crispin Glover is a no no. I've seen Willard.

Mark Hamil should but wont ever be a live action joker.

Me, nah I'm too good looking to play this part. Sorry everyone.

JC has always been playing the joker to some degree hasn't he? I would really love to see him in a good villian role instead of that riddler gunk. That was good, but too much of that 60's riddler/skinny man in tights wack.

TimTwoFace

08-21-2004, 02:01 PM

While I'm sure Jim Carrey could tone his zaniness down to play the Joker, and still do a good job with it, I'd still say there must be someone better. That said, I loved his way-over-the-top Riddler - the campy version of the character, but still, I think the Riddler is about the only Bat-villain that can be super-campy and still work.

Carrey as the Creeper would be perfect, too. But I doubt we'll ever see that character in the movies any time soon.

-Tim