Yu Yu Hakusho

[Greek Optimus]

I was wondering if I was the only one that wanted Yu Yu back on Adult Swim, the unedited version is so much better then the CN one right now. They could put it in old school anime block, since it did end in japan in 94.

[Ferquin]

Sorry. Now it's "only Toonami".

Want the unedited version? Buy the DVDs.

[Evil & Lovin It]

Yeah, I liked that show too, but I'd like to see something different on old school anime (As in something that hasn't been on as b4).

[Lord Dalek]

YYH isn't coming back, get over it. I have.

[Chad Bonin]

FUNimation only sells CN the edited version, so what you see on Toonami, you would get on ASA.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

FUNimation only sells CN the edited version, so what you see on Toonami, you would get on ASA.
If Funimation wanted it on AS, they'd sell CN the TV-PG/TV-14 versions like they did before. I agree that it isn't going back to AS, but that arguement holds no water at all.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Honestly... I think it would be awesome to have YYH after Case Closed if Lupin bites the dust (which it hopefully will not). Since AS could air uncut (or almost uncut) YYH for seasons 1 and 2 while Toonami premieres the edited 3rd season only on Saturday.

But that wont happen.

I'd be very happy if CN would give YYH a weekday prime time slot. It certainly has earned one.

[Fry&Leela]

I would like Yu Yu Hakusho back on Adult Swim.

[Shnay]

The show is made for a younger audience. It's the super-powered fighting that's oh-so-popular with the younger teen demographic. Williams Street has stated numerous times that this is not the audience it wants. Just because the "unedited" version would have more blood and "damns" doesn't mean that it fits the audience AS wants.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

The show is made for a younger audience. It's the super-powered fighting that's oh-so-popular with the younger teen demographic. Williams Street has stated numerous times that this is not the audience it wants. Just because the "unedited" version would have more blood and "damns" doesn't mean that it fits the audience AS wants.
Yu Yu Hakusho isn't made for a younger audience. The early episodes, maybe, but the later ones get much deeper and the fights take a backseat to much of the other stuff, not just another super-powered fighting show.

[Chuquita]

I'd like to have YYH back on adult swim, but I can be content with it on Toonami if I have to. I'm really enjoying the current arc they just started :D

[Youko Recca]

Yu Yu Hakusho is made for teens. Add that to the fact Toonami is supposed to be for teens and FUNi wants it there beyond anyone else's control. Now IF WS for some reason decided they wanted it on AS then maybe. AS does seem to not mind opening it's ass for teen ratings but that still isn't their goal no matter how hard they take it.

[Shnay]

Yu Yu Hakusho isn't made for a younger audience. The early episodes, maybe, but the later ones get much deeper and the fights take a backseat to much of the other stuff, not just another super-powered fighting show.I'll have to take your word for it, because every single time I see that show on TV there's an ultimate fighting tournament or a super-bad demon that there's no way they can possibly beat, but they somehow manage to use their inner strength to defeat it and save the day.

Edit: Also, isn't the magazine (Shonen Jump, I think) that carries the YYH manga also the same magazine that carries Dragonball Z and Yu-Gi-Oh and the like?

[Youko Recca]

Why does that matter? Running in the same magazine doesn't put it on the same levels. I don't know where you see there's an super demon they can't beat(they aren't even fighting demons now anyway), since they combat pretty nicely/equally.

[True Noir]

What's happening here? Newb's are starting to take over the forums. I don't remember it being this hectic a few months ago.

Anyway, Yu Yu Hakusho fine on Toonami. I would like to see the uncut version, but this is alright too.

[livingfruitvirus]

Why does that matter? Running in the same magazine doesn't put it on the same levels.
Oh yes it does.


What's happening here? Newb's are starting to take over the forums. I don't remember it being this hectic a few months ago.
For a message board with so much traffic, I'd say we're operating pretty well.

[Youko Recca]

Oh yes it does.
What levels do you think I'm talkin' about?

[Shnay]

I would be very surprised if the creators of this show were targetting a primarily adult audience. There's nothing wrong with liking stuff meant for a somewhat younger audience (I like tons of things that are meant for younger folk) but AS is not the place for it.

[Greek Optimus]

I think they should take Miguzi off, and put Toonami on Monday-Saturday. YYH new eps everyday!:anime: That would be great!

[shogunthethird]

putting YYH on adult swim would be like putting code lyoko on toonami...they're the mature shows on the block's they're in but they'd be an ill fit in their new blocks and frankly I prefer having the DVDs around...no commercials, completely uncut and great for bringing in people who haven't seen the uncut...why do you think I'm pushing so hard for One Piece uncut DVDs?

[creeper]

I remember this topic from way back. I believe the response i got for saying that I liked Yu Yu better on AS because it was closer to uncut, was get over it buy the DVD's. I won't go into my reasons for not being able to get the dvds back then because other posters don't live my life nor care what hardships befall me or anyone else outside their world. I don't believe in censorship. I don't believe in editting or altering someone's intellectual property to dumb down to kids. I think since the days of beavis and Butthead parents, and censors alike take things too seriously. Rather than educating their kids and controlling what they watch, the rest of us have to suffer with editted programing.

Ratings aside and speaking from a quality point of view. Yu Yu was better close to uncut. That's what made the fact that AS showed it that way really good. NOt to mention, not everyone can go out and buy the dvds.

[Evil & Lovin It]

I don't believe in censorship. I don't believe in editting or altering someone's intellectual property to dumb down to kids. I think since the days of beavis and Butthead parents, and censors alike take things too seriously. Rather than educating their kids and controlling what they watch, the rest of us have to suffer with editted programing.
Well said, unfortunately complaining about censorship is about all that can be done, as it seems to be backed by an army of uptight conservatives and their braindead politicians.

[G1Ravage]

"I'm gonna kick your ass" sounds a lot more threatening than "I'm gonna kick your butt", which we heard in last Saturday's episode.

It's also a lot more like Yusuke, who's SUPPOSED to have a foul mouth.

Since Toonami isn't ready yet to go for a full fledged "teen" rating, YYH is just wasting its time there. Sure, eventually Toonami will have some TV-PG ratings (we hope), but FUNi will ALWAYS be editing YYH for a Y7 audience, and they won't go back and re-edit the whole series.

And frankly, I don't see how Inu Yasha is any more "adult".

[Tash]

"I'm gonna kick your ass" sounds a lot more threatening than "I'm gonna kick your butt", which we heard in last Saturday's episode.

It's also a lot more like Yusuke, who's SUPPOSED to have a foul mouth....Am I the only one who thinks that 50% of the swearing in the uncut verson seems a bit out of place anyway?...

[KuwabaraTheMan]

...Am I the only one who thinks that 50% of the swearing in the uncut verson seems a bit out of place anyway?...
Yes.

Yes you are.

[Shnay]

And frankly, I don't see how Inu Yasha is any more "adult".
I would agree. I would also make the case that IY isn't really Adult Swim material either.

That's the problem. Shows like this, that have a bit too much cursing and violence for Toonami, but aren't really intended for the demographic that Adult Swim wants don't have anywhere to go.

[Ferquin]

I also agree. There's sort of that fine line that defines Toonami material and AS material. YYH is beating up demons. InuYasha is also about beating up demons. YYH stars high-schoolers. InuYasha stars two high-school aged characters and some older characters. YYH is all fighting. InuYasha has lots of fighting but has slightly more to it like complicated interpersonal relationship drama. YYH has big freaky monsters with super destructive powers. InuYasha has big freaky monsters that are more on the gory side with creepy occult powers like controlling the dead.

You're starting to get my point right?

Both shows are definitely geared for teens. YYH is geared for early teens while IY is geared for late teens. Pre- and early teens watch Toonami. Late teens and early 20s watch AS. YYH belongs on Toonami while IY belongs on AS.

Case Closed! (Tee hee! I couldn't resist!)

[Jowy Blight]

...Am I the only one who thinks that 50% of the swearing in the uncut verson seems a bit out of place anyway?...
Not really, if anything they don't swear nearly as much as most people their age.

[Greek Optimus]

Well, if you have seen the uncut version, then you know it belongs on Adult Swim. The swearing and blood is a proof that this show is not meant for little kids.

O and Yu-Gi-Oh is not meant for kids either, I've heard about all these edited parts where people were supposed to die, but on the WB, they go to the shadow realm. It's the American Anime laws that make all of them seem kiddish.

[Ferquin]

Ugh... do not bring YuGiOh into this forum! That argument belongs on the anime forum. And regardless of death, that doesn't make YuGiOh less of a childish monster-battling anime. Different countries, different standards. End of discussion on YGH!


The swearing and blood is a proof that this show is not meant for little kids.No, it just means that this show is not meant for little American kids. And even then, the swearing can have certain liberties added. "Damn" isn't that harsh, but again, not for little American kids. And how do we know that the translator didn't overexaggerate on the harshness of the swear just to add to the "edginess" of the content?

YYH may not be for children, but you're exaggerating the "maturity" level of the show. It's still good enough for pre- and early teens, but certainly not for Adult Swim. Blood, swearing, and super-fighting do not an adult show make. Concept-wise, YYH is on the level of DBZ, which most certainly is a Toonami show. I'll get flack for this, but I can also say the same for JLU. Of course, there are many situations and concepts in the writing content of the show that are certainly mature and more complex, but the show was built around standards that are aimed at a teenage audience, and it, too, is a Toonami show.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Please don't ever put YYH on the level of DBZ again. Maybe the Dark Tournament is close to the level of it, but even then it was still above. The Sensui Arc is far above anything DBZ has, and the concepts in it are much deeper than your average Toonami fan is willing to think about.

[Ferquin]

I know that, and you know that. But is the average Toonami viewer gonna give a crap?

Nope.

Your average Toonami viewer just wants to see some ass-kicking. Not delve into the characters' psyche and analyze why they fight. When you or I watch YYH, we don't come away from the experience with our minds enriched. We simply satisfy our latent violence-lust with cheap entertainment.

Really, it doesn't matter in the end now, does it? It's still gonna stay on Toonami because it hits the target demographic - pre- and early teens. It'll still be edited and that's that. Again, if you want your full-on uncut Kuwabara sword action, you can go and watch the DVDs. You can argue in circles all you want but it's still only Toonami-level entertainment. Not Adult Swim-level entertainment. That's why you'll never see YYH on AS again.

And don't deny that YYH has similarities to DBZ because it does. YYH may wax philosophical sometimes, but that doesn't change the fact that both series has long, drawn-out fights and a simplistic plot to save the world from monsters. The only thing YYH has up on DBZ is attitude and Kuwabara's macho bosuzoku biker hair.

[Killtacular]

This is a dumb thread about a stupid fantasy. They made an irreversible change; it's going to stay that way.

Yu Yu Hakusho was easy to transfer to Toonami because WS didn't have to worry about editting it beyond recognition as that was FUNi's job. AND YYH's animation is so poor and undetailed that it's incredibly easy to paint over blood and wounds.

Inuyasha would have been an editting nightmare for WS from start to finish, considering all of the violence in the show involves lots of moving cels, moving backgrounds, and there's hardly any holds that become easy targets for quick digital paints. Tons of repainting, frame by frame, for over 150 episodes. The show is largely cel animated which makes it worse, no original project files WS would be able to go into.

To those complaining that they have no money for DVDs: suck it up and save money. I don't care what 'hardships' you're dealing with, it is incredibly easy to net some money. Take back your old games to, say, a GameStop that has anime DVDs for sale, trade em! Go eBay. Take on more shifts at your job, or GET A JOB to begin with. Budget. If all else fails, you could always downgrade your cable service or cut off your internet access (or go back to dial-up).

[Zach Williams]

To those complaining that they have no money for DVDs: suck it up and save money. I don't care what 'hardships' you're dealing with, it is incredibly easy to net some money. Take back your old games to, say, a GameStop that has anime DVDs for sale, trade em! Go eBay. Take on more shifts at your job, or GET A JOB to begin with. Budget. If all else fails, you could always downgrade your cable service or cut off your internet access (or go back to dial-up).

And there it is, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Matt Wilson telling hos how to buy Yu Yu Hakusho DVD's. This moment is brought to you by the Toon Zone Forum.

[Ferquin]

Hey! There's an idea! Pimp out hos for money!

Depending on the quality of hos you have in your stable and your clientelle, you're sure to have enough for YYH DVDs perhaps in a week or so!

[shogunthethird]

Well said, unfortunately complaining about censorship is about all that can be done, as it seems to be backed by an army of uptight conservatives and their braindead politicians. hey hey hey, the uptight liberals are just as bad...the conservatives just seem to be a bit more vocal about it at the current time..I'm a fairly liberal myself (well libertarian except in the sense of official party affiliation) but what difference does the the brand make if they're going to put pants on the statue of Michaelangelo's David (a poor analogy but it gets the point across)


Edit: and as for Matt wilson's comment, I can't speak for others but YYH on toonami is precisely the reason I started buying DVDs, that and some booth at a convention had like half the Dark Tournament arc on sale for 25% off...I rounded up the rest and thanks to Conekiller's Best buy anime sale I now have all but the latest Sensui arc disc

[Master Moron]

You know, with all these comparisons of Yu Yu Hakusho to Dragonball Z I have to mention that Dragonball Z is really popular among college students(or it was when it was on). They could just as easily put Dragonball Z on Adult Swim and it would get a large enough adult audience, probably larger than most of the anime currently on Adult Swim.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

You're probably right about that and same goes for Sailor Moon and Gundam Wing. All because of when they first aired. Those viewers are in the Adult Swim demo now.

[Shnay]

You know, with all these comparisons of Yu Yu Hakusho to Dragonball Z I have to mention that Dragonball Z is really popular among college students(or it was when it was on). They could just as easily put Dragonball Z on Adult Swim and it would get a large enough adult audience, probably larger than most of the anime currently on Adult Swim.
The Powerpuff Girls are popular amongst college kids, too, but that doesn't mean that show should be considered for AS.

The fact is that in Japan, shows for pre-teens to younger teens can get away with more than shows for that audience can in the US. So, when these shows come here, there are two options. Either they're edited down for the younger crowd (which isn't good), or they're kept in tact and put with programming aimed for people older than the show's originally intended audience (which isn't good either). YYH went the way of the first option, while IY went the way of the second.

[creeper]

I won't go into the buying dvds thing cause the arguments been done before.

I stick by my guns when i say material should stay true to it's original form. No ones intellectual property should be altered for any reason. Their shouldn't be moments like, "she's faking her injuries" and things like that. If something is part of the story it shouldn't be altered. If someone has a potty mouth and it's part of their character it should remain a part of their character.

[Youko Recca]

Matt Wilson comes in with ideas people already probally considered and added attitude. Wonderful. Point has been made about where the show stands to be. People are probally just either angered by FUNi's editing procedures, somehow, or feel it's obligated and is destined for AS. Which it's not really. As long as Toonami believes it's tagetting teens that's where it needs to be. Inuyasha should be there also but it managed to squeeze in the doors of ASA just before it shut. I have yet to see more violence or anything in Inuyasha than YYH.

[Killtacular]

Matt Wilson comes in with ideas people already probally considered and added attitude. Wonderful. Point has been made about where the show stands to be. People are probally just either angered by FUNi's editing procedures, somehow, or feel it's obligated and is destined for AS. Which it's not really. As long as Toonami believes it's tagetting teens that's where it needs to be. Inuyasha should be there also but it managed to squeeze in the doors of ASA just before it shut. I have yet to see more violence or anything in Inuyasha than YYH.
The constant spraying of blood is one thing Inuyasha has over YYH. YYH has more spurts than anything, and wounds, where as people in Inuyasha get decapitated, sliced into various pieces... not to mention the one episode where it was literally raining BLOOD. But the main thing, going back to my last point, is that Inuyasha's depictions of violence are much more animated and realistic in comparison. Not to mention some of the bloodspray is somewhat exaggerated. It'd be a huge hassle for WS to have to work the show over. YYH tends to only have one or two severe blows an episode and they can be smoothed out easily because cels hold a LOT as it's an older anime and the drawings are undetailed enough that digital painting in that show is really easy. There were only a couple of shots with moving cels that had to be, as far as I know, retraced and recomposited in After Effects or something similar. But that was with cels where there was no actual animation on the characters, just sliding around. Inuyasha hardly has any holds ever, when it comes to action scenes.

[livingfruitvirus]

The fact is that in Japan, shows for pre-teens to younger teens can get away with more than shows for that audience can in the US. So, when these shows come here, there are two options. Either they're edited down for the younger crowd (which isn't good), or they're kept in tact and put with programming aimed for people older than the show's originally intended audience (which isn't good either). YYH went the way of the first option, while IY went the way of the second.
Or option 3 - leave them intact and put them on some art or foreign appreciation station where nobody will see them except a select few.

[Killtacular]

I stick by my guns when i say material should stay true to it's original form.
Maybe you feel that way, but there is an equal force/opposition that feels the opposite way.

[Ferquin]

I stick by my guns when i say material should stay true to it's original form. No ones intellectual property should be altered for any reason. Their shouldn't be moments like, "she's faking her injuries" and things like that. If something is part of the story it shouldn't be altered. If someone has a potty mouth and it's part of their character it should remain a part of their characterKeep on dreaming. In the real world, your scruples mean nothing. I'm against censorship too, but I'm not so naïve as to think that everyone thinks that way. There's just some stuff that people will not allow to be shown because it offends them.

You want uncut YYH? Go get it. But on TV, you have to play by the rules and edit out the bad stuff so people won't sue you. Get over it.

Someone close this thread. The topic has run its course. It's just going in circles.

[Youko Recca]

Someone close this thread. The topic has run its course. It's just going in circles.
I'm all for this.

I still think Inuyasha has no violence over YYH. Decapitations aren't shy in either. It was 1992 anyhow, I have no idea how much they would allow YYH to get away with.

[Pimmelmann]

I was wondering if I was the only one that wanted Yu Yu back on Adult Swim, the unedited version is so much better then the CN one right now. They could put it in old school anime block, since it did end in japan in 94.

A very good show with intense battles and a lot of heart, I'd surely be pleased to hear YYH had returned to Adult Swim. However, this has no chance of happening. I recommend to people that they read the manga anyway.

To address a side issue, this show is more than "adult" enough to air on Adult Swim. Blood and foul language are staples of certain "comedy" shows on Adult Swim, and these shows otherwise display little to nothing adult about the sophistication or targeting of their humor. Unedited, YYH would have enough bleeding, death, and curse words to meet what Adult Swim apparently feels is a real adult standard. ( :rolleyes: )

[Artemis]

Someone close this thread. The topic has run its course. It's just going in circles.

The post above me stresses this point.

[The Landstander]

I only let this go this long because some intelligent discussion came out of it, oddly enough.