News: Judd Winick to take over Batman

[Emerald Archer]

This may be old news, but it has been announced that Judd Winick will be the new writer on Batman, with Doug Manhke doing art.

Comments?

[Jor-El]

Who here enjoys Winick's work? Have you ever heard of anyone who just really loved what he did to a title? Wherever I read reviews of Judd's work, it's damning, not praising. Where do Judd's readers come from besides those who buy his books to mock them?

[Daredevil_2003]

Who here enjoys Winick's work? Have you ever heard of anyone who just really loved what he did to a title? Wherever I read reviews of Judd's work, it's damning, not praising. Where do Judd's readers come from besides those who buy his books to mock them?I dont. I've known this for awhile, but it's still very sad news. :sad: Poor Batman, at least your movie's gonna be badass. :D

[Emerald Archer]

I knew Barry that you'd have to comment of Judd. You and I have shared many an interesting discussions about Mr. Winick:)

I also like the Sig, nice to see some support out there. Trust me I got taken to the Wood Shed for the whole thread.

EA

[Mad Monkey 7]

The guy at cinescape like them.

[EJill34]

Who here enjoys Winick's work? Have you ever heard of anyone who just really loved what he did to a title? Wherever I read reviews of Judd's work, it's damning, not praising. Where do Judd's readers come from besides those who buy his books to mock them?I really wish I knew. But I think there's a better question: Why is Chuck Austen still allowed to write comics?

But about Winick, I really wish he wasn't taking over Batman. His recent arc was nothing short of pointless. I read the last issue and considered smashing my head so hard on my stucco wall that I would bleed until I lost most of my memory.

[Stu]

This is pretty dissapointing, I'm sure someone far better would be willing to jump aboard the flagship Batman book, but hey, if he gets worse, he'll more than likely be asked to leave.

Otherwise, we all will. :D

[randomguy]

To be fair to Winnick, I think his work on Green Arrow is solid stuff. I'm not a huge fan of his stuff, but I don't think he's anywhere near the level of Chuck Austen in terms of sucktitude. And even Chuck has his good days. "Lionheart of Avalon" was badass for two issues.

[rggkjg1]

wow. i dont think i have ever seen this much negativity for a comic book writer, well maybe kevin smith. anyway, im sure this is some sad news. i havent read any of winnick's stuff, but if he is as bad as some of you say he is then i guess im glad i saved my money. i think it would be cool if bill willingham was chosen instead of winnick, i have enjoyed his run on robin so far and would like to read his batman stories. unfortunately the only writing for batman he will be doing is for the upcoming war games arc, which some people arent looking forward too.

not to get off topic, but i see some more negativity toward's chuck austen. i have read his first issue on action comics and i thought it was pretty good. i thought the spider-man like wise cracks werent neccessary though ("dude, thats like a good idea", "aw man. why did he have to loose doomsday", ect). regardless, i am looking forward to picking up his second issue and rucka's 1st issue on adventures.

i guess we'll just have to see how things turn out for the dark knight and the man of steel.

[Eddie G.]

I won't bash Mr. Winick because I haven't read enough of his stuff and dropped Batman when his arc started. So while based on what I do know of his writing and other people's opinions I am noy happy about this, I will check out Batman after War Games is over. It is also kind of good to have some sort of solid creative team on Batman again.

[Mister Intensity]

Like I said in the SDCC thread about this news, Judd doesn't write a particularly intelligent Batman so I doubt I'll be picking up Batman anytime soon. I might consider reading Batgirl, a character I despise but I love what Anderson Gabryich was doing in Detective so he may be able to make Batgirl readable. Then again maybe not because the concept behind the character of Cassandra Cain was really flawed to begin with (if you what to call any character a "Mary Sue," Cassandra Cain is the very definition of a "Mary Sue.")

Mister Intensity

[The Detective]

The only person who is glad about this is my wallet.....which won't have to worry about me picking up Batman again any time soon.......

[halinar]

But Wizard likes him!!! Wait, of course they spent 2 months pimping the Catwoman movie like a bunch of 13 year old boys and we know how that ended.
Nevermind :D

[Ed Liu]

Howdy,

I haven't read much of Judd Winick's work, but after reading some of Emerald Archer's reviews of the Judd-era Green Lantern, I think I can live without him. There's a pretty short list of creators I'd like to see on Batman monthly (Dan Slott...um, and Dan Slott :)), but I still don't know that I'd care enough to get any of them monthly.

Maybe Judd's one of those creators who does well in personal material and not so well for the corporate owned characters. I've heard lots of good things about Pedro and Me, for instance. For what it's worth, I think Bill Willingham is the same way (Fables and Proposition Player work for me, but Robin doesn't).

-- Ed/Ace

[Emerald Archer]

I've heard lots of good things about Pedro and Me, for instance. For what it's worth, I think Bill Willingham is the same way (Fables and Proposition Player work for me, but Robin doesn't).

-- Ed/Ace

Pedro and Me is a good read. The thing about it however is that it's based on Judd's experiences with Pedro Zamora who was with Judd on Real World and died of Aids. I think Judd can write wonderfully about things he cares about. Problem is, at least to me, he really brings a personal agenda to what he writes, so much so that he forces characters to conform to that agenda. Green Lantern was one example. His run on Green Arrow has been OK, but doesn't come close to the taught scripting of Kevin Smith or Brad Metzler. As for Outsiders, it just seems to me to be a pretty lost title. Almost like he still thinks's he's doing Exiles but this time for DC.

EA

[PaQ]

Well I haven't read enough, or maybe actually any of Winick's work to have an opinion on this. I just know from what I've heard, and a lot of people don't seem too fond of this guy's writing. It won't stop me from getting Batman though.

[Nick K.]

Is Judd Winick the dude from the Real World?

[randomguy]

Is Judd Winick the dude from the Real World?
Apparently, though I didn't know that, cause I don't watch MTV. Ever. That's an interesting factoid, though.

[Nick K.]

Apparently, though I didn't know that, cause I don't watch MTV. Ever. That's an interesting factoid, though.

Oh, I embarassingly mixed him up with Neil Gaiman... :o

Good thing it's him... cause he sucks. :p

[Clayface]

It won't stop me from getting Batman though.

It should.

Well, I said this in other threads, but I'll repeat it here. I'm horrified that this guy is taking over the regular writing duties on Batman. Only one other time in my life-long collecting of Batman titles have I not bought Batman - during Hama's post-NML run. This will be the second time. Winick's latest run on the title was horrible - making pointless and downright stupid changes to a member of Batman's rogue gallery. And now he apparently feels that more of the Batman villians need this "updating". I shudder to think what he has planned, and I won't be giving my money to the title while he's on it.

[Daredevil_2003]

What type of changes? and to whom? Dont tell me this 'Scarebeast' is the Scarecrow? :o Oh God...if that's true I hope Judd gets syphillis or at least really nasty case of athlete's foot or something for what he's doing to Batman. :p

[Jade_GL]

Two sides of the Judd Winnick coin for all of you.

I disliked most of what he did on Green Lantern. I thought that the morality was ham-fisted and what happened to GL afterwards was pretty out of character, as well as pretty much causing me to stop reading GL for a long while. There were some things I liked, like Jade and Kyle as a couple throughout his run, and some stories here and there, but nothing was outstanding. It was pretty much a letdown.

HOWEVER, Judd Winnick has done a great job on EXILES, one of my favorite, heck let's not lie, IT IS MY FAVORITE, Marvel comic books being put out today. He was the first writer on that book and it was great. Just awesome stuff and I keep telling people to read it. Of course, nothing in it is ham-fisted, it's funny in the right parts, just heartbreaking in others, a great book. I have all seven of the trades, though he didn't write the stories in the fifth trade paperback, Exiles: Unnatural insticts, Chuck Austen did.

The best storyline by far was With An Iron Fist, which was issues 23-25. One of the best comic stories I think I have read recently. Really, everyone who is down on Judd Winnick should pick up exiles and see that his work can be absolutely amazing.

However, that's not Batman, and I don't have a very good feeling about the whole thing. I didn't like the Green Lantern stuff, and I don't think Batman is right for him either. I don't know how it will all *fit* if you get me. Exiles works because it takes characters that are made up, or from different dimensions or whatever in the Marvel Universe and you can really do anything with them, Batman is an established character and I wonder if Winnick's style will play to that or not. I think not, with his GL work.

[Clayface]

What type of changes? and to whom? Dont tell me this 'Scarebeast' is the Scarecrow? :o Oh God...if that's true I hope Judd gets syphillis or at least really nasty case of athlete's foot or something for what he's doing to Batman. :p

Yep, Scarecrow now changes into a great big ugly (though cool looking) "Scarebeast" due to genetic tampering, similar to Langstrom/Man-Bat.

And that's only the first "improvement" Winick has cooked up for Batman's rogue gallery. Lord knows what other crap is going to spill out his mind and onto the page.

[Thanos]

I'm going to keep my comments concise. Judging strictly on Winick's last Batman arc, I can only have the utmost apprehension towards the prospect of Winick taking over the helm of Batman. The only bit of shining light in this seemingly pitch black announcement is the amount of laughter some of the ridiculous scenarios and moronic dialogue will surely bring about. However, I fear that the laughter will probably be met with an equal amount of perplexing anger.

In closing, why DC?

[The Detective]

I can just see it now.........Robin comes out of the closet and announces he's gay, then promptly gets beat up. Batman broods and leaves Gotham City.


*shudders*

</The Detective>

[Clayface]

I can just see it now.........Robin comes out of the closet and announces he's gay, then promptly gets beat up. Batman broods and leaves Gotham City.


*shudders*

</The Detective>

Well, Montoya is now "out of the closet", so I'm wondering if she's going to become a major character in his storylines, or if he'll actually be able to resist the tempation.

[Ed Liu]

Howdy,


I can just see it now.........Robin comes out of the closet and announces he's gay, then promptly gets beat up. Batman broods and leaves Gotham City.
Well, given the current status quo of the Batbooks, that would be, "Robin comse out of the close and announces SHE'S gay," but the follow-up to that starts getting too racy for an all-ages board :).

This is also if you assume that Steph is actually going to continue being Robin, and that the whole thing wasn't cooked up as a publicity stunt.

-- Ed/Ace

[Clayface]

Howdy,


Well, given the current status quo of the Batbooks, that would be, "Robin comse out of the close and announces SHE'S gay," but the follow-up to that starts getting too racy for an all-ages board :).

This is also if you assume that Steph is actually going to continue being Robin, and that the whole thing wasn't cooked up as a publicity stunt.

-- Ed/Ace

Well, if I'm reading it right, according to this week's Batman: The 12 cent Adventure

Steph is no longer Robin, as she's been fired by Batman. So, publicity stunt it is.

[Dark Night]

I am SOOOOOO glad she is no longer Robin-does this mean they're bringing Tim back?

And on another note, yeah, Judd Winick sucks as a Batman writer-just when you think the bad post-nml storylines are over (dating all the way up to Bruce Wayne: Fugitive) starting with the great "Hush" arc, fans are crapped on yet again.

Oh well, at least Jim Lee is supposed to return to the title for another storyline with Jeph Loeb once he is done with his Superman run.

[Clayface]

FYI, Dark Knight, I added a spoiler box around your first statement.


And on another note, yeah, Judd Winick sucks as a Batman writer-just when you think the bad post-nml storylines are over (dating all the way up to Bruce Wayne: Fugitive) starting with the great "Hush" arc, fans are crapped on yet again.

Hehe. Well, personally, I hated "Hush" and loved "Fugitive", but I know what you're saying.


Oh well, at least Jim Lee is supposed to return to the title for another storyline with Jeph Loeb once he is done with his Superman run.

Umm, well actually, that's not necessarily the case. That project seems to have disappeared off the radar. As pointed out by Cyber E. over in the "This Week In Comics: 07/28/2004" thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=117531&page=2&pp=20&highlight=Winick) :


Lee still has to finish Superman, and is rumored to do a twelve part storyarc with Greg Rucka in Wonder Woman next year. Loeb is doing Catwoman: When In Rome, the first issue of Solo and Superman/Batman up to #25, so it looks like we won't see the follow-up arc for quite some time, if ever.