The Flintstones on the Rocks

[Vin]

Did anyone happen to check out this world premiere, made for television Cartoon Network movie? It aired tonight during Cartoon Theatre at 7:00 PM. From what I saw, it was very funny and wasn't really aimed at children. However, I unfortunately fell asleep and didn't see the rest of the movie. I'll probably check it out tommorow morning, when it's rebroadcast.

[dendawg]

I personally am wondering why Joe Barbera approved this crap, if he in fact had a say in it?:confused:

[Jimmy Kustes]

This was great! Genndy Tartakovsky was in the credits!

They mention Fred as an American. I guess I should have took more than one year of U.S. history, because I thought the United States was around before the caveman area!:cool:

The stop-motion clay part was cool as well as Wilma!:eek:

[Jimmy Kustes]

Originally posted by dendawg
I personally am wondering why Joe Barbera approved this crap, if he in fact had a say in it?:confused:

I think it was in tribute of Joe Barbara. If I were expecting it to be exactly the same as the old ones I would be disappointed.

[Anthonynotes]

Get it? "Avalanche"? With rocks, and the Flintstones, and....*ahem*...OK, I'll save the rock-puns for later...

Questions include:
1. Who was Wilma's voice (in light of Jean Vander Pyl's death)? I assume Fred's voice was Henry Corden...who were Barney and Betty's voices?

2. How was the animation for this? Heard something about this being done to look like the first season of the original "Flintstones" series...

3. I assume the "adult" tone is in terms of making it more like the earlier Flintstones episodes, i.e. where their "Honeymooners" influences were the strongest and had various domestic squabbles and the like (vs. stuff like the Great Gazoo/Fred as an inventor/etc.)?

4. Not a question, but a comment: the Flintstones do seem to live in the United States of America, or some prehistoric version of it where various places/states have prehistoric names...a few places I recall (from the original and a few spinoff series---hey, the "Flintstone Kids" had to be good for *something* besides, um, giving its voice artists a paycheck and, er, well that's it. :-) :
Bostone (Boston, from the original show)
Indianrockpolis (Indianapolis, from the original series episode where Fred enters the Indy 500...apparently Flintstone race cars actually use engines, which served as the crux of the episode/of its ending)
Chipcago (Chicago, from the "Flintstone Kids")
Hollyrock (Hollywood, various)
Rock Vegas (Las Vegas, various)
Rockapulco (Acapulco, Mexico, original series)
Eurorock (Europe, original series)
New Rock City (New York City, various)
Washingstone (Washington DC....original show, I think)
Texarock (Texas, original series and those "Uncle Tex eps)
Parisrock(?) or Parisslab(?) (Paris, from the "Flintstone Kids" IIRC)
Honolurock (Honolulu, from "The Jetsons Meet the Flintstones")
Japanrock (Japan, from "The Flintstone Kids")
Floridarock (Florida, from some "Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm Show" ep)

-B.

[Vin]

Originally posted by Brainatra
Get it? "Avalanche"? With rocks, and the Flintstones, and....*ahem*...OK, I'll save the rock-puns for later...

Questions include:


2. How was the animation for this? Heard something about this being done to look like the first season of the original "Flintstones" series...

3. I assume the "adult" tone is in terms of making it more like the earlier Flintstones episodes, i.e. where their "Honeymooners" influences were the strongest and had various domestic squabbles and the like (vs. stuff like the Great Gazoo/Fred as an inventor/etc.)?
]-B.

Okay, even though I saw only a little of this, I can answer two of questions:

2. The animation is similar to that of the recent Cartoon Network productions. I don't watch "The Flinstones" often, but it does look similar to the earlier seasons of the show.

3. Yes, it did feel like the "Honeymooners" at times. Plus, there was a seen where Wilma and Fred were in bed (which is right around before I fell asleep) and you hear Barney and Betty is the next run and the bed is shaking and they are laughing. Of course, this is because they put coins into the beds to make the bed shake or whatever, which Barney had tried out before. However, it still seems like it has two meanings.

[Dub]

Well I personally LOVED it :)

Thought it was awesome. Had a bit of its gross out factor in the butt scene (LOL'ed at everyone that began screaming and covering thier kids eyes) but it was a really good tribute to first season Flintstones.



1. Who was Wilma's voice (in light of Jean Vander Pyl's death)? I assume Fred's voice was Henry Corden...who were Barney and Betty's voices?


Fred Flintsone - Jeff Bergman
Wilma Flintstone - Tress MacNeille
Betty Rubble - Grey Delisle
Barney Rubble - Kevin Michael Richardson

If you ask me Tress McNeille's voice was the most spot on of the group. Jeff Bergman did OK. He was a little slower in his output of Fred. the most glaring differences were Betty and barney. HOWEVER in defenbse of Barney he sounds moreso like the early mel Blanc Barney which is what they were aiming for anyway. Betty was OK. She sounded more like the high pitched skeaky 80's version, but she wasnt bad at all.



2. How was the animation for this? Heard something about this being done to look like the first season of the original "Flintstones" series...

It was like a mix of the First season Flintstones with Powerpuff girls with those Flintstones bumpers you see on occasion. Dont let that discourage you though if you dnt like PPG's style as it wasnt THAT stylized

Thier noses had resorted back to being very large (I think Barneys was a bit too large, but it didnt take away from the movie.

The animation was very good I thought ^___^ Captured the feel of the old version.

Another thing that I think really enhanced it was that they mixed Hoyt Curtins original music into the soundtrack and added some new pieces. And the new pieces of music FIT. They werent distracting and didnt stand out. It all gelled together.


I assume the "adult" tone is in terms of making it more like the earlier Flintstones episodes, i.e. where their "Honeymooners" influences were the strongest and had various domestic squabbles and the like (vs. stuff like the Great Gazoo/Fred as an inventor/etc.)?


OOOOOOOOOOOOOH YEAH. When Fred was a jerk - he was a REAL JERK. He wasnt the grumpy but loveable Fred until much later cause you could tell that thier marriage had really dissolved. and this time he was just mean. That was proibably the one thing I didnt like, BUT it was necessary for the story and fred did show his good side at the near end of the movie. :) So it was ok.

There were a couple of adult gags ESPECIALLY any that dealt with the vibrating bed! LOL! :D




On the topic of Flintstone movies - it was almost SHOCKING to see the animation for Flintstones meet the jetsons after having watched On The Rocks. It just looked downright old at times. :P I'd've probably preferred a man Called Flintstone to be shown rather than that one...

Does anyone know who has the rights to the two early 90's movies - Flintstones: I Yabba Dabba Do And Flintstones: Hollyrock A Bye Baby?

You know - the ones where Pebbles And Bamm Bamm get married and the second one where they have a baby? You'd think they'd be crucial to the Flintstones mythos considering and that Cartoon Network would air them....

I always assumed that they closed off the 80's portion of the series and from what I remember (which isnt much) they were quite good...


Flintstone Kids was never that bad to me nor was Pebbles and Bamm Bamm (though it was decidedly different). But certain portions of the flintstones from the "Comedy Show" version did grate at times. :P Lacked the adultness of the original and felt more "Saturday morning cartoonish" for lack of a better word. :P

[Vin]

From what I remember, I loved "The Flintstones: I Yabba Dabba Do" and "The Flintstones: Hollyrock A Bye Baby." I hope Cartoon Network has the rights to these two movies because they were great.

I saw more of "The Flintstones on the Rocks" and I loved it. I really hope Cartoon Network Studios continuing making more made for television movies. What I am wondering though is why Cartoon Network didn't promote this more. I hope it does well ratings-wise so we can get more these original movies.

[dendawg]

Originally posted by Jon "WB" Gray
Well I personally LOVED it :)

Does anyone know who has the rights to the two early 90's movies - Flintstones: I Yabba Dabba Do And Flintstones: Hollyrock A Bye Baby?

I believe that WB has the rights, since they handled the home videos as well.

[DR. BELCH]

Tres MacNeille was Wilma's voice--basically the same one she used for Martha Washington on Histeria--drawn through the nose similar to Billie's, but less Queens. Jeff Bergman voiced Fred, and I'm surprised he didn't do Barney too, considering he does several of Mel Blanc's other characters (e.g. Sam, Daffy, Bugs) fairly well. IMO, Richardson played it a tad too nasal.
And the animation was a bit weird in places. Not John K. Yogi weird, but...I was considering writing a scene into Caps' and Brainatra's Thansgiving fic where Stewie says to Barney, "For the love of all that's holy, man, were the artists pixilated when they drew you in "On the Rocks"? Your nose, Mr. Rubble, looked like a dill pickle! Why, you could have landed B-10's on that bloody thing! Hahahahahahahaha!" Barney then looks as if he's about to cry.
Also, Fred behaved a bit too jerky in places (shades of latter-day Homer and Peter Griffin)...and Wilma had crow's feet in several scenes! Very odd effect. I could have also done without seeing Fred and Barney's naked butts in loincloth speedos. Also, a bit of a tribute to All in the Family in a couple of places with a flushing toilet (and I shudder to think what animal served that purpose in the modern stone-age household, but I bet that's the worst job of the lot.)
Most adult bit--Wilma lying awake listening to some noises on the other side of the wall coming from Barney and Betty's room. Presumably the magic fingers, but, yes, I thought it was a little much for the kids, or those who grew up on classic Flinstones. That and the implications of infidelity.
Revelation: Wilma is not a natural redhead..and Barney appears to wear a rug (if not, Fred ripping his hair off would be even more painful that it looked).

[Anthonynotes]

Re: Fred's voice: was it done to sound like Fred's on the original "Flintstones" TV series, or like Mr. Corden's gravely-voiced rendition?

Re: "Hollyrock-a-Bye Baby"/"I Yabba Dabba Do": I viewed it more as something that could be viewed as something resembling a conclusion to the series as a whole (if one wanted to have a "final adventure" sort of thing for them), with the kids getting married and having kids of their own. I taped "Hollyrock" off TV, and enjoyed both films ("Hanna-Barbarian Studios".... "Granite's Chinese Theater"....heh :-) Though I did suspect that they must've been dying their hair for these films if they had to be at least in their 50's to become grandparents (which someone saying in FotR that Wilma wasn't a natural redhead kind of suggests....save for the fact that her mother's a redhead [don't recall what her father on "The Flintstone Kids" looked like; I think Mr. Slaghoople had brown hair, but it's been awhile]). Of course, there's also "A Flintstone Family Christmas", which featured the same Fred-and-co.-as-grandparents setting...

Apparently, one of the writers for those two films was Rich Fogel (of PatB fame), which probably explains why they were entertaining (and made various references to previous Flintstones incarnations, such as a bunch of celebrities from the original series showing up for the wedding, or the adult Bamm-Bamm still driving that stone-age dune buggy from their Sat. morning series [albeit with a coat of paint] and Pebbles' coworkers in the first film looking a lot like her two female friends from said spinoff series...).

Re: Fred acting too jerky: hmm..."jerk***** Fred"?! Hate the thought of using Fred Flintstone and Peter Griffin's name in the same sentence...
still, Fred had a temper on him in the original series (esp. the early episodes); guess having Pebbles toned him down a bit (or being bashed over the head by Wilma for his antics all those times :-)


In either case, AOL-Time-Warner/WB has the rights to these films...dunno why they haven't aired on Cartoon Network yet.

Re: toilets: I assume they'd just be drawn as stone-and-wood-constructed versions of modern toilets, much like their TV sets have stone cases but (apparently) work like ours....an early "Flintstones" ep showed the inside of one TV set, and it had vaccuum tubes/picture tubes/wires/etc. like sets of the early 60's...

And one last question: could someone describe what the plot of this film was (no spoilers, please)?


-B.

[Captain Caps]

not to impose or anything, but you mentioned having an idea for me and Brainatra's Thanksgiving story. Well, feel free to contribute to the story. I'm kind of stuck on where to go next, and if you could help at your earliest convenience, it would be nice. It's your call.

To keep this thing on-topic...all I can remember about 1 of the
90s "Flintstone" TV movies is that Bam-Bam was a struggling screenwriter (I'm sort of one, also), and Mary Hart and John Tesh (WARNERS: AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!) made cameos as prehistoric versions of themselves anchoring a Stone-Age version of "Entertainment Tonight". I think Raquel Welch (obvious joke material right there) made an appearance as a prehistoric version of herself, too.

Sincerely,

John "Captain Caps" Kilduff

[DR. BELCH]

Brainatra:
[W]as [Fred's voice] done to sound like...the original "Flintstones" TV series, or like Mr. Corden's gravely-voiced rendition?
Similar to Reed's, more or less.

Though I did suspect that they must've been dying their hair for these films if they had to be at least in their 50's to become grandparents...
Or succumbed to premature baldness and are wearing toupees to hide it (recalling again Fred's rather mean and thoughtless scalping of poor ol' Barn). If Mr. Slate and Fred are around the same age, I suppose he doesn't bother with that sort of vanity--he's been a chromedome since the sixties....


And one last question: could someone describe what the plot of this film was (no spoilers, please)?
Very tough, but...the Flintstones are having marital problems (and Fred's boorishness doesn't help. Yes, he can be grouchy and ill-tempered, but he never took Wilma for granted--in fact, after Pebbles was born his attitude was the exact opposite, and his fawning over her coupled with lack of sleep wound up with him getting in trouble with the law). The Rubbles offer to pay for a trip to Acapulco so they can rekindle that spark--or rather, it's stone-age incarnation Rockapulco. Fred gripes about not being able to read the signs in Spanish (calling it a "backwards language"), is condecending to a Hispanic hotel clerk, beats up a street vendor who refuses to haggle prices, gets miserably sunburned because he believes sunblock is for wusses and girly-men, and shows quite a bit of uncovered and obese flesh. There's the old bags-get-switched gag when a jewel thief bumps into Wilma, and he's forced to play Don Juan to get the loot back, while Fred leers all through the movie at a pretty lass (shades of Chevy Chase in National Lampoon's Vacation), complete with a great claymation sequence. Hopefully I didn't give too much away.

[Anthonynotes]

>>>>
Similar to Reed's, more or less.

Or succumbed to premature baldness and are wearing toupees to hide it (recalling again Fred's rather mean and thoughtless scalping of poor ol' Barn). If Mr. Slate and Fred are around the same age, I suppose he doesn't bother with that sort of vanity--he's been a chromedome since the sixties....
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I still say that Slate's older than Fred (not counting "The Flintstone Kids" depiction of them as same-age cohorts)....though I figure Slate is Slate. Good suggestion, though I still think it's "lots of modern stone-aged hair dye" myself :-)


>>Very tough, but...the Flintstones are having marital problems (and Fred's boorishness doesn't help. Yes, he can be grouchy and ill-tempered, but he never took Wilma for granted--in fact, after Pebbles was born his attitude was the exact opposite, and his fawning over her coupled with lack of sleep wound up with him getting in trouble with the law). The Rubbles offer to pay for a trip to Acapulco so they can rekindle that spark--or rather, it's stone-age incarnation Rockapulco. Fred gripes about not being able to read the signs in Spanish (calling it a "backwards language"), is condecending to a Hispanic hotel clerk, beats up a street vendor who refuses to haggle prices, gets miserably sunburned because he believes sunblock is for wusses and girly-men, and shows quite a bit of uncovered and obese flesh. There's the old bags-get-switched gag when a jewel thief bumps into Wilma, and he's forced to play Don Juan to get the loot back, while Fred leers all through the movie at a pretty lass (shades of Chevy Chase in National Lampoon's Vacation), complete with a great claymation sequence. Hopefully I didn't give too much away. <<<


Gee, all that *does* sound a lot like the way Homer Simpson's written nowadays....in fact, save for the jewel subplot, it probably *could* be a "Simpsons" episode nowadays (though one'd have to throw in such big-name celebrity guest stars like Gary Coleman, Kid Rock, or Britney Spears ;-)

Re: the Thanksgiving story: Admittedly, I was wondering if anyone was even *reading* the thing, let alone wanting to write something for it....especially since Caps says he doesn't know anything about "Jackie Chan" (which I've thrown into the plot, via including Jackie, Tohru, Chandu, and "introducing" Chandu's second cousins working as department store/McDonald's managers [having been employed in both areas, figured it'd seem, well, appropriate :-) ]), and admittedly, coming up with new material centered around Thanksgiving isn't easy...

-B.
-B.

[Defiant1DS9]

First off The flintstones was a CIA Expiriment in Mind Control, in fact here is the story.

In 1959, in the heat of the cold war, the CIA Commission the FL-1960 Commission in study of drug-inducted mind control and its effects on the human mind. In 1960, the CIA payed a group of people 5000$$ Each to participate in the expiriment. So The CIA put these people on a cruise ship and shipped them to a lower part of Africa. A Drug known as FL-1960 was placed in the water and the people believed they were cavemen with modern technology.

[Calhoun07]

I just watched it today (yeah, ok, I am a bit behind! SO?!!:D ) and I think it was excellent, even if they threw in that "American" flub. (But nobody seemed to notice that they also put in Mexico in there, too!). I hope they do more movies in this style. We hardly got to see any of Dino in this movie, and there is so much more of the Flintstones they could update. And it was much better than that pile of dinosaur dung known as Viva Rock Vegas.

[Anthonynotes]

Originally posted by calhoun07
I just watched it today (yeah, ok, I am a bit behind! SO?!!:D ) and I think it was excellent, even if they threw in that "American" flub. (But nobody seemed to notice that they also put in Mexico in there, too!). I hope they do more movies in this style. We hardly got to see any of Dino in this movie, and there is so much more of the Flintstones they could update. And it was much better than that pile of dinosaur dung known as Viva Rock Vegas.

Like I said above, it's not a flub...the Flintstones *are* American, and live in America....just some prehistoric version of it, where the familiar cities/states all have "rock" names (Texas = "Texarock", Indianapolis = "Indianrockolis", Hollywood = "Hollyrock", etc.). The same presumably goes for other countries as well (incl. Mexico)....

And while I haven't seen it (and probably won't until it comes out on video), I'm sure that it's easily better than "Viva Rock Vegas" (not sure I *want* to see that one; has anyone on here actually seen it? Wonder what the worst aspect about it was, though from what I've heard, I could take a few guesses....).

-B.
Read the Flintstones entry at the "Jump the shark" website, noting the entries voting for "Great Gazoo" the most for when the show in their opinion "jumped"....

[Calhoun07]

Ok, that's cool, I can buy Fred is "American" but why not change the name "America" to something more Flintstonesque? Say Americrock? I dunno? Just something else anyway.

I have seen Viva Rock Vegas. Unless you are a DIE HARD Flintstones fan and must have everything Flintstones, steer clear of it. It's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what I didn't like about it. Some of the common complaints I've read about it, such as all the puns and stuff in the movie...well, those were in the original cartoons, so they didn't bother me. It was just a mess, a pointless plot. Trust me, the cartoon movies are better. I am glad Cartoon Network made a new one. I just hope they do more.

[Anthonynotes]

>>Ok, that's cool, I can buy Fred is "American" but why not change the name "America" to something more Flintstonesque? Say Americrock? I dunno? Just something else anyway.
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Well, it might well be something like "The United *Slates* of America" or somesuch (where the "rock" pun is in the full name, rather than the "America" part). Though I think under Flintstone-naming rules, one's nationality doesn't get a "rock" pun (ie, someone Japanese is still "Japanese", German "German", etc.).

>>>
I have seen Viva Rock Vegas. Unless you are a DIE HARD Flintstones fan and must have everything Flintstones, steer clear of it. It's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what I didn't like about it. Some of the common complaints I've read about it, such as all the puns and stuff in the movie...well, those were in the original cartoons, so they didn't bother me. It was just a mess, a pointless plot. Trust me, the cartoon movies are better. I am glad Cartoon Network made a new one. I just hope they do more. <<<

Heard in "Viva Rock Vegas" there was some sort of dinosaur flatulence joke some point before even the opening credits roll....doesn't sound too promising based on that alone...


As long as we're discussing America's second-favorite animated family (Homer & co. presumably being #1), wonder how a Usenet-type discussion of the "Flintstones" might go:

USENET D00D: This show rilly sucks, d00d. Whats up with the "rock" jokes? "Michael Jackstone", thats rilly stupid and not funny. I think the writers need to get some real jokes like the way Homer yells at everyone on the SImpsons, that wuld be kewl. And some better celebrities, since Britney Speers would be way kewler than Tony Curtis. Oh, and Pebbles should be thrown off the show since babies arent funny.

:-)

Also note the comments on the "Jump the Shark" website about when the show allegedly "jumped the shark": the #1 vote-getter is when the "Great Gazoo" was added, while a somewhat distant #2 is "never jumped". ( http://www.jumptheshark.com/f/flintstones.htm )

And finally, my pointless votes for best/worst (or favorite/least favorite) Flintstones aspects:
Best movie: not having seen "On the Rocks" (or "A Man Called Flintstone"), will have to go with the other ones made: "The Jetsons Meet the Flintstones" or the two early-90's movies.

Worst movie: from the sounds of it, probably will be "Viva Rock Vegas" (if/when I ever bother to see it); second place: the *first* Flintstones movie

Best Christmas special: the original series Christmas episode or "A Flintstones Christmas Carol" (a pretty faithful rendition of the Dickens story--and they actually bothered to include the part with the thieves selling off Scrooge's stuff, which "Mickey's Christmas Carol" didn't do...).

Worst Christmas special: "A Flintstones Christmas" (the 70's one with the realistic, modern-looking Santa that Fred and Barney help, which while sort of entertaining isn't nearly as much so as the others made; recall my cousin complaining about the way it was (cheaply) animated...I fast-forwarded through the part with the singing elves myself (ick)). And I guess in between "best" and "worst" would be the remaining Christmas special, "A Flintstone Family Christmas" (the one made 5 years ago under the "Fred and Barney as grandparents"/adult-Pebbles & Bamm-Bamm setting).

And finally, anyone remember "The Flintstone Kids: Just Say No" special? It had: some kid who used marijuana (named IIRC "Stony"...wonder if that was a joke/reference to "being stoned" or not....), "Michael Jackstone" (and apparently there's also a Janet Jackstone in the Flintstones universe, from one of the early 90's movies), the 80's antidrug catchphrase "just say no", and Nancy Reagan. Sticks in my mind along with the "Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue" and "Punky Brewster" anti-drug specials when I think of, well, anti-drug specials...



-B.

[DrNobody]

As the creator of Ren and Stimpy said in the past, the 80's cartoons (the re-makes of the Flintstones and Jetsons and such...) were pretty much crap... They did not follow the original attitudes of the characters... Suddenly, out of no where, Fred is the perfect father. That was not Fred at all... Fred was a total... Well... We'll say jerk on the post... But that is how John K describes it... He worked on some of the cartoons then, and is totally disgusted by what he had done to them... So that is why Cartoon Network probably doesn't show those... Since they aren't really true to the characters...

And for who designed the characters on The Flintstones on the Rocks, Craig Kellman did... And I just recently saw his re-design of Judy Jetson at school (we had the character designer of Time Squad visit this past Wednesday, and he showed us a couple of Craig's drawings...), so I guess we can probably expect a new Jetsons movie any time now... Anyhoo... That's my 2 cents on this topic!!

[Anthonynotes]

>>As the creator of Ren and Stimpy said in the past, the 80's cartoons (the re-makes of the Flintstones and Jetsons and such...) were pretty much crap... They did not follow the original attitudes of the characters... Suddenly, out of no where, Fred is the perfect father. That was not Fred at all... Fred was a total... Well... We'll say jerk on the post... But that is how John K describes it... He worked on some of the cartoons then, and is totally disgusted by what he had done to them... So that is why Cartoon Network probably doesn't show those... Since they aren't really true to the characters...
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Hmm....even despite the lameness of most of the 70's/80's-era Flintstones spinoffs, Fred still did pretty blatantly stupid stuff (let alone being perfect)---they just seemed to tone down his temper a lot (or ignore it completely---perhaps a result of 70's/80's-era concerns over violence in kids' programming [and/or the shows' mediocre writing]?). As for the 80's-era spinoffs, not much chance for Fred to show his fathering skills, as of the two Flintstones series that were aired then, Pebbles (as a teenager) only appeared in the early 80's one (vs. the "Flintstone Kids", natch), and IIRC only in one short segment that would've involved the whole Flintstones clan. Pebbles also doesn't appear in the "Jetsons Meet the Flintstones" film they made in the 80's (for some reason or other---I was left to presume it could've taken place after her and Bamm-Bamm grew up and left home/at college/something-or-other). As for not showing them, wouldn't stuff like the various Flintstones spinoffs be airing on that "Boomerang" channel?

From what I can recall, the original series made Fred a bit more mellowed out temper-wise once Pebbles was born, though he still threatened to pound Barney on occasion (see: that "Adobe Dick" episode where he threatens to give Barney a "snootful of [his fist]"...still like the bit at the end where Fred starts chasing Barney around the yard and Barney acting irrelevant/jestful the whole while, though I wondered how [in an earlier scene] the brakes on Fred's car could've been "out"...).

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And for who designed the characters on The Flintstones on the Rocks, Craig Kellman did... And I just recently saw his re-design of Judy Jetson at school (we had the character designer of Time Squad visit this past Wednesday, and he showed us a couple of Craig's drawings...), so I guess we can probably expect a new Jetsons movie any time now... Anyhoo... That's my 2 cents on this topic!! <<<

-B.

[DrNobody]

The main problem with those cartoons, was that most of the people doing them didn't want to do cartoons... They wanted to do movies or tv sitcoms or such, and so they didn't write them with a cartoony intent to them... Now they have people that actually want to be there... So they are improving... As we have seen with the Flinstones and with the Justice League...