Kids WB Talkback: Yu-Gi-Oh (7/03/04)

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Yu-Gi-Oh!: Enter the Shadow Realm - Clash of the Coliseum Part VI
Saturday, July 3rd, 2004

It's Time For a Yu-Gi-Oh Talkback!

Yugi, Joey and some card monsters on Kids WB Today! (All Times are EST)

Time: 11:00am


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Clash at the Coliseum Part VI
U.S. Premiere!


After another turn or so, Kaiba's Ultimate Dragon is freed, and now he has to find Yami's Dark Magician. Will he find it? How will it turn out in the final part of this 6 part episode!? Find out today!


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NOTES

Week 2 and its going good.
Have a Good 4th of July people!
And Stay Safe! :)
Let's Begin!

[Samurai Karasu]

I love the Palidan's appearance it's really nicely done (although if Kaiba sent all his monsters to the graveyard I'm pretty positive in the real game the Dark Palidan would be boosted to enough points to wipe him out a million times over considering the effect of Dark Palidan also includes dragons in the graveyard.). Oh yes and on a side note, GOOD GOD KAIBA JUST SHUT UP!!! If I saw my face carved on a tablet from 5000 years ago I wouldnt just dismiss it as nothing.

[kaine23]

What. A. battle.

[Wolfie~Giri]

just like that tablet..Yugi's got dark magician and Kiba had blue eyes they both fused with other monsters but Yugi won because he has to win!

Who wants Kiaba to save the world..like he can actually beat Marik..:rolleyes:
how long was this duel a 5 part or more?

[Duke]

Who wants Kiaba to save the world..like he can actually beat Marik..:rolleyes:The only reason Marik beat Joey and Mai is because of those stupid Shadow powers. He can't win unless he uses the Shadow Realm, as he has no skill whatsoever. Serenity could whoop Marik in a regular Duel.

I mean, look at the past Duels Marik has been involved in:

-Bandit Keith: Might have won if he didn't run away.
-Rare Hunter: Totally collapsed in Part 2.
-Arkana: Got schooled by Yugi.
-Strings: Even with a God Card with sky-high ATK he still couldn't beat Yugi.
-Those twins: Yugi & Kaiba completely dominated when they finally started to work together.
-Joey: Couldn't even keep Joey's mind dormant, much less beat Yugi.
-Odion: Joey would have creamed him if not for that fake Ra going beserk.
-vs. Mai: Used the Shadow Powers to paralyze her from making a move.
-Bakura: Bakura would have won if not-as-evil Marik wasn't so stupid.
-vs. Joey: Barely won due to Joey passing out.

Marik may look kinda cool, but as a Duelist he is just pathetic.

This is the, what, 6th time or so we've gone over Kaiba's past? How many more times do we need to hear this damn thing over and over again?

[PowerZord]

Duke, You brought some Amazing Good points. God.. I still feel heart broken because I'm no longer able to do the talkbacks, but I'll move on.

Anyway I loved the way the duel ended. Altough I swear I read in TV tome that YUgi used Magic Hats to win.

Guess TV tome is wrong

[Zero Kagayaki]

It was good batlle

[Ajax]

God that felt good, seeing Kaiba loose, and it only gets sweeter when he has to hand over his God-card to Yugi.



The only reason Marik beat Joey and Mai is because of those stupid Shadow powers. He can't win unless he uses the Shadow Realm, as he has no skill whatsoever. Serenity could whoop Marik in a regular Duel.

I don't know about that reasoning. By that logic you could say that the only reason Yugi has gone this far is because of the spirit of Millennium puzzle. I mean thats there game. Marik is dangerous because of the Millennium Rod, Pegasus was the best because of his eye, and Yugi is God in Duel Monsters because of his puzzle. My point is, the only reason Yugi beat Kaiba was because Yugi can become Yami Yugi. Yugi is a skilled duelist, even without his Millennium Puzzle, but I bet Yugi could never beat Kaiba in a duel without it.
But thats just my opinion.

[bigddan11]

The TV Tome site did mention the magical hats and they didn't mention much of the Red Eyes Black Dragon, but keep in mind that 4Kids does edit the episodes so the Japanesse version may have magical hats involved at one point. I doubt it.

Now to the actual episode. I give this episode of Yu-Gi-Oh! Enter the Shadow Realm an 8 out of 10. They could have made this thing alot shorter than 6 episodes if they chose not to have all the Kaiba flashbacks, and those Kaiba flashbacks are getting tiresome. We'll only have to see them a few more times though since next week begins Joey versus Kaiba for the 3rd place match. I also loved how Yugi managed to trick Kaiba into attacking so he could difuse his Ultimate Dragon. I also loved how monster reborn appeared a grand total of 4 times due to the various magic and trap cards. Monster reborn is one of the best magic cards in the game. It's a shame you can only have 1 per deck.

[Wolfie~Giri]

The only reason Marik beat Joey and Mai is because of those stupid Shadow powers. He can't win unless he uses the Shadow Realm, as he has no skill whatsoever. Serenity could whoop Marik in a regular Duel.

I mean, look at the past Duels Marik has been involved in:

-Bandit Keith: Might have won if he didn't run away.
-Rare Hunter: Totally collapsed in Part 2.
-Arkana: Got schooled by Yugi.
-Strings: Even with a God Card with sky-high ATK he still couldn't beat Yugi.
-Those twins: Yugi & Kaiba completely dominated when they finally started to work together.
-Joey: Couldn't even keep Joey's mind dormant, much less beat Yugi.
-Odion: Joey would have creamed him if not for that fake Ra going beserk.
-vs. Mai: Used the Shadow Powers to paralyze her from making a move.
-Bakura: Bakura would have won if not-as-evil Marik wasn't so stupid.
-vs. Joey: Barely won due to Joey passing out.

Marik may look kinda cool, but as a Duelist he is just pathetic.

This is the, what, 6th time or so we've gone over Kaiba's past? How many more times do we need to hear this damn thing over and over again?
okay Marik has shadow powers..which makes him win a lot..so even Kiaba can beat him and save the world..luckily that won't happen..

Serenity still is confused with the differences of atk and def..I'd say she could still win if she had the shadow powers and not Marik..

then the evil Serenity would be played by Flay from seed gundam

[DSRGirl]

how long was this duel a 5 part or more?
It was a 6 part duel, the longest in the show's history. From what I hear though, that will be topped in the next arc.

I believe the Kailba and Yugi vrs Dartz Duel is 8 Episodes, but that features more then just regular dueling in that.

The only reason Marik beat Joey and Mai is because of those stupid Shadow powers. He can't win unless he uses the Shadow Realm, as he has no skill whatsoever. Serenity could whoop Marik in a regular Duel.
Marik may not have as much skill as the show makes us believe, but he is still pretty good. I mean, I doubt without his shadow powers he could regulary take on Yugi, Kailba or Joey, but he's still a lot better then some other duelists, espically "I'm not even sure if this is attack mode or not" Serenity.

I mean, look at the past Duels Marik has been involved in:Okay, let's:

-Bandit Keith: Might have won if he didn't run away.
He had no choice but to run away. Bakura used his Millenium Ring to free Bandit Keith from Marik's mind control, and couldn't get him back in time to finish the duel (also, in the original, it was Keith's own idea to smash the puzzle, not Marik-Possessed Keith).

-Rare Hunter: Totally collapsed in Part 2.
Marik didn't even possess him until the duel ended, and that was only to deliever who he was and that he wanted Yugi's Millenium Item.

-Arkana: Got schooled by Yugi.
Similary, Marik didn't possess him until the duel ended, to deliever some more backstory on why he wanted to be Pharoh. And Arkana held his own against Yugi. The Rare Hunter got totally schooled though.


-Strings: Even with a God Card with sky-high ATK he still couldn't beat Yugi.
Keep in Mind Yugi was about to quit at the end of part two until some reassuring words from Kailba made him keep fighting. And also, Yugi only won thanks to a very interesting combo that forced all the cards out of String's deck. Although String's/Marik's combo isn't invisible. It could be stopped by a special trap card or magic card. Like Harpie's Feather Duster. Too bad Yugi didn't have that.

-Those twins: Yugi & Kaiba completely dominated when they finally started to work together.
Umbra and Lumis dueled without Marik's mind control. Marik only bossed Lumis at the end to tell Yugi what he had done with his friends.

-Joey: Couldn't even keep Joey's mind dormant, much less beat Yugi.
- There was a point in the duel where he could of beat Yugi if Joey hadn't interfered with his plan and changed the attack.

-Odion: Joey would have creamed him if not for that fake Ra going beserk.
WHAT are you talking about? It's Marik's fault that Joey won in the first place. If Marik hadn't told Odion to use the Fake Ra, Odion would have just had his ancient insect destroy the rest of Joey's life points like he was about to. Joey only won because he could actually stand up after getting struck by Fake Ra's lightning.

-vs. Mai: Used the Shadow Powers to paralyze her from making a move.
That was at the very end when she was beat anyway. Although Mai probably would of won if she didn't try to use Ra or actually knew how to call it out of the egg. An english to egyptian dictionary would of been good there.

Bakura: Bakura would have won if not-as-evil Marik wasn't so stupid.
Regular Marik wasn't stupid, he just didn't know Ra as well Yami Marik did. Also, Yami Marik was always a step ahead of Yami Bakura in that duel.

-vs. Joey: Barely won due to Joey passing out.
That's true. If Joey had just called his attack, Marik would of lost big time. I believe that Joey was actually beating him the entire duel in fact. He always was able to counter all of Marik's moves, it's just that he couldn't win with "so much energy lost."

This is the, what, 6th time or so we've gone over Kaiba's past? How many more times do we need to hear this damn thing over and over again?I don't think they'll show it for at least awhile. But I wouldn't rule out forever.

Anyway I loved the way the duel ended. Altough I swear I read in TV tome that YUgi used Magic Hats to win.[QUOTE]

TVTome got a lot wrong about the Battle City Finals. For example, they say that somehow Joey got Ra into his hand during his duel with Marik and the power of Ra internally struck him down. As you saw on the show, it didn't happen like that.

[QUOTE]I don't know about that reasoning. By that logic you could say that the only reason Yugi has gone this far is because of the spirit of Millennium puzzle. I mean thats there game. Marik is dangerous because of the Millennium Rod, Pegasus was the best because of his eye, and Yugi is God in Duel Monsters because of his puzzle. My point is, the only reason Yugi beat Kaiba was because Yugi can become Yami Yugi. Yugi is a skilled duelist, even without his Millennium Puzzle, but I bet Yugi could never beat Kaiba in a duel without it.

That's true. I don't think Yugi could beat Joey at this point without help from the Millenium Puzzle, much less Kailba.

[Samurai Karasu]

He had no choice but to run away. Bakura used his Millenium Ring to free Bandit Keith from Marik's mind control, and couldn't get him back in time to finish the duel (also, in the original, it was Keith's own idea to smash the puzzle, not Marik-Possessed Keith).
...Was he confused and chose to do it or what? Cause I'm not quite sure why he'd do that. I just hope he wasn't like...being evil or something.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

Why does Serenity keep staying behind to watch Mai, I mean what's going to happen to her? She's in the "Shadow Realm" (or so 4Kids claims) and beating Marik is the only thing that'll save her. Not to mention they're on a blimp so there's no way someone could kidnap her without those Kaibacorp staff people knowing.

[DSRGirl]

...Was he confused and chose to do it or what? Cause I'm not quite sure why he'd do that. I just hope he wasn't like...being evil or something.
He wasn't evil. He just was confused and thought the puzzle was the thing controlling him and smashed it out of anger and not thinking it out.

Why does Serenity keep staying behind to watch Mai, I mean what's going to happen to her? She's in the "Shadow Realm" (or so 4Kids claims) and beating Marik is the only thing that'll save her. Not to mention they're on a blimp so there's no way someone could kidnap her without those Kaibacorp staff people knowing.
Actually, she is sent to the Shadow Realm in the Japanese version too. In the manga though, she's put in an hourglass with posionious and deadly inscets and if they don't save her in 24 hours she will die. The anime changed that so no one would worry too much about her during the Noa arc. And I guess Serenity feels more useful staying behind or something like that. Besides, like any of the regular gang knows really anything about the Shadow Realm besides that it's bad.

[Samurai Karasu]

He wasn't evil. He just was confused and thought the puzzle was the thing controlling him and smashed it out of anger and not thinking it out.


Actually, she is sent to the Shadow Realm in the Japanese version too. In the manga though, she's put in an hourglass with posionious and deadly inscets and if they don't save her in 24 hours she will die. The anime changed that so no one would worry too much about her during the Noa arc. And I guess Serenity feels more useful staying behind or something like that. Besides, like any of the regular gang knows really anything about the Shadow Realm besides that it's bad.
Well true I guess that makes sense.

Also changed from that duel (MalikVS.Mai) was the monsters Viser Death and Byser Shock who were changed to Holding Arms and Holding Legs. I hear they changed it because Viser Death and Byser Shock would really be painful to see or something. And in the comic the duel never had Mai winning at any point except when she destroyed his Executor Makurya

[lostrune]

Thank god Kaiba used that "reduce to 3 cards of choice" thingie spell card.
Otherwise, that duel would've gone on forever, with both of them pulling off moves out of their asses to save their butts. :p


Why does Serenity keep staying behind to watch Mai, I mean what's going to happen to her? She's in the "Shadow Realm" (or so 4Kids claims) and beating Marik is the only thing that'll save her. Not to mention they're on a blimp so there's no way someone could kidnap her without those Kaibacorp staff people knowing.

Well, ya never know what goes on in "nursing homes" these days.... :D

[Wolfie~Giri]

He wasn't evil. He just was confused and thought the puzzle was the thing controlling him and smashed it out of anger and not thinking it out.


Actually, she is sent to the Shadow Realm in the Japanese version too. In the manga though, she's put in an hourglass with posionious and deadly inscets and if they don't save her in 24 hours she will die. The anime changed that so no one would worry too much about her during the Noa arc. And I guess Serenity feels more useful staying behind or something like that. Besides, like any of the regular gang knows really anything about the Shadow Realm besides that it's bad.Isn't when someone's mind trapped in the shadow realm..a.k.a. dead?
Yes I read about that poisoinous insect thing in the manga also..

[bigddan11]

Isn't when someone's mind trapped in the shadow realm..a.k.a. dead?
They can't be dead if they're trapped in the Shadow Realm, because if they were, then how would Bakura come back? How would Seto, Mokuba, and Grandpa have come back from that first arc, because they were all trapped in the Shadow realm. We also see Marik's other half return from the Shadow Realm in previous episodes. Yugi sent Kaiba to the Shadow realm in the manga before with a penalty game, and he's still around. Basically it's an area where you are sent to either go crazy or regain yourself.

[DSRGirl]

Also changed from that duel (MalikVS.Mai) was the monsters Viser Death and Byser Shock who were changed to Holding Arms and Holding Legs. I hear they changed it because Viser Death and Byser Shock would really be painful to see or something. And in the comic the duel never had Mai winning at any point except when she destroyed his Executor MakuryaWell, all refrences to death in Yu-Gi-Oh are kind of taking out. Also taking out in that duel: The scene where Viser Death and Byser Shock attack Mai's life points directly. You only see the aftermath of that like with most direct life point attacks. I also remember hearing in the manga Mai never made any damage to Marik's life points. I remember also reading the first one who actually made any damage to Marik in a duel was Joey.

Isn't when someone's mind trapped in the shadow realm..a.k.a. dead?
Like bigddan11 said, you don't die in the Shadow Realm. However, the Shadow Realm is used as an excuse for death in the dub, like with what happened to Marik's father or in the Pandora and Mask Brother's duels.

[Wolfie~Giri]

Like bigddan11 said, you don't die in the Shadow Realm. However, the Shadow Realm is used as an excuse for death in the dub, like with what happened to Marik's father or in the Pandora and Mask Brother's duels.
Yeah that part about the Shadow Realm..
This idea came up in the episode when Yugi dueled Arkana who kept on Saying 'Your mind will be sent to the ShadowRealm Yugi"
Glad that's over with..Glad this 6 part duel is over also..:)