"Spider-Man 2" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Spider-Man]

The Story Continues...
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"I want a life of my own. I am Spider-Man...no more." - Peter ParkerRelease Date: June 30, 2004
Studio: Columbia Pictures
Director: Sam Raimi
Screenwriter: Alvin Sargent
Starring: Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, James Franco, Rosemary Harris, J.K. Simmons, Alfred Molina, Brooke Adams, Dylan Baker, Elizabeth Banks, Bruce Campbell, Daniel Gillies, Donna Murphy, Vanessa Ferlito, Ted Raimi
Genre: Action, Adventure
MPAA Rating: PG-13 (for stylized action violence)
Talkback: Spider-Man (2002) (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31938)
Official Website: SonyPictures.com (http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/)

(http://www.serendipity-themovie.com/)Plot Summary: Two years have passed, and the mild-mannered Peter Parker faces new challenges as he struggles with "the gift and the curse," desperately trying to balance his dual identities as the web-slinging superhero Spider-Man and his life as a college student. Tormented by his secrets, Peter finds that his relationships with all those he holds dear are in danger of unraveling. His life-long yearning for M.J. (Dunst) becomes even stronger as he fights the impulse to reveal his secret life and declare his love. His friendship with Harry Osborn (Franco) is complicated by the young Osborn's bitterness over his father's death and his growing vendetta against Spider-Man. Even Peter's beloved Aunt May (Harris), who has fallen on hard times after the death of Uncle Ben, begins to have doubts about her nephew. Peter's life is about to become even more complicated as he encounters a formidable new foe -- Dr. Otto Octavius (Molina). Peter must use all the powers at his disposal to try to stop this diabolical madman in his octagonal tracks.

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[The Penguin]

It has begun!! The midnight showings are upon us! The biggest movie of the summer is here!

Good work Spider-Man. ;)

[Comic Book Boy]

Sombody PLEASE tell me....IS there something after the credits?!?

[GCFyouthcamper]

I saw it! I just came back from the mall. First showing, opening day. Let's start this discussion rolling!

[Hatter]

Oh man, just got back...

It was bloody amazing! I wasn't too fond of the first film, but anything that one did well, this one does better. I never need to watch the original again!

I finally understand what Spider-Man's about... it's not a superhero story like X-Men. It's a love story, wherein the hook/catch/gimmick is that the guy is also trying to be a superhero. It puts the superheroics in a completely different light.

This was a funnier film than the first, with JJJ stealing every scene he's in. He has some classic scenes where he rants about Spidey, which could have come straight from the '60's cartoon or the comic.

Doctor Octopus is so more interesting than the Goblin, it really makes you realize how much they screwed the Goblin up. But watching Doc Ock move or fight... it's entrancing. So graceful, even though he's pounding through the pavement with metal arms.

Any of the Spidey/Doc Ock fight sequences are absolutely mindblowing. Especially the Clock Tower/Train fight. Like watching a ballet of destruction. Completely faithful to their classic encounters.

Some nice tidbits for comic fans, like the "Based on the comic by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko" opening credit, and Alex Ross' wonderful opening paintings.
Even some Marvel-Universe name dropping for sharp-eared fans...

Man, I've definitely got to see this one again. Superheroics, comedy, tragedy and a hell of a lot of heart.

[GCFyouthcamper]

I laughed a lot in this movie. "My back! My back!" (nice reference to Tobey's real life back problems)

Just noticing some things that were left hanging, or rather to be continued in Spider-Man 3... Harry and Peter didn't get a chance to resolve anything. The fluctuating spider powers.

I like how they managed to put in Norman Osborn and Uncle Ben.

Truth be told, I heard about the ending a long time ago, the part where Harry breaks the mirror. It was strictly rumor back then and was quickly forgotten.

[Colin]

OMG... WOW!

Just got back from the midnight showing, and everything is still sinking in. This movie definitely stands up, if not surpasses the first movie in everything (tho, one does need to see the first movie to fully grasp this one). The animation and effects seemed rather fluid and worked well.

The humor stayed true with the "Hey, we know we're a comic movie" thing that the first film set up.

The ongoing character relationships continue to build, and we see them branch off into several different directions... all being rather believable in their end conclusions...

The endings work well in continuing the story line, and obviously setting up the third and (supposedly) final film in the series. Can't wait to see what the future holds for our webslinger...

In the meantime, I'm certain I'll be seeing this *several* more times... this week ;)


...and the quote I probably would have put up top... "There are bigger things here than you and me." I think that quote really sums up the whole character aspect of the film, showing how Peter is struggling to maintain his relationships with his friends and family while carrying the role of Superhero....

[Avery]

I have no problem with the movie . . . in fact, I loved it, one of my favorites of all time. But I gotta say, I *was* a little dissapointed, mainly becasue everyone kept telling me "OMG! The ending was so surprising!" So I was expecting something BIG. Instead, we got what we did-- whcih was cool and all, but didn't surprise me AT ALL. Like, there was no question in my mind that Harry would end up in th eposition he did. A bit of a letdown.

However, the movie still absolutely rocks my socks.

TRAINS!

[Sigma]

I just got back from the midnight showing and wow was it amazing. I loved the first film and this one surpasses it in every way possible. I will more then likely go and see it again!

[Samhaine]

I think my favorite scene in the entire movie was Ock's breakout from the hospital. It was one of the only times in both movies where I could clearly tell it was Raimi directing the pic. Those shots reminded me alot of Evil Dead.

Of course, Bruce Cambell was awesome in his little role. And JJJ had the next best scenes. I'm glad they put him in more this time.

But I have to say, it felt like I'd already seen a good chunk of this movie before, 2 years ago, when the first film was released. The fire, Peter on the roof, looking through his glasses - they all just seemed to be retreading his discovery of his powers. I could have done without those parts.

Oh, and I literally groaned when the arms started talking to him, much like the goblin was the one controlling Osborn in the first film. It just ruined things for me.

And while I predicted that the third movie would be Harry as GG, I was hoping that I was wrong. I can't watch the first movie anymore, mainly because of how the scenes between Spidey and Goblin look. The masks moving with no mouths kind of ruins the drama for me. At least in the cartoon his mask moved while he spoke. And I didn't get why Harry was seeing his father as an halucination. It's not like he had the gas in him like his father.

While it may seem like I hated the movie, that is not the case. I thought it was a thoroughly passable action movie. It was better than the first film if for no other reason than the hospital death scene, but I cannot say it deserved the four stars the local newspaper gave it. Two and a half, at most.

[creeper]

I had written a post right after the movie, but when i hit post reply i had connectivitey problems with toonzone. So I'm writing it now after i have had a few hours to sleep on it.

The movie was great. I loved the whole thing. As a movie all together it was "solid". They did a great job blending the story and the action, which is a feat that most comic book movies fail at *coughhulkcough*. Anyways, they did a great job setting everything up. I like how they created Doc Ock. He was definitley a character with layers, despite his ruthlessness during the movie. Actually having a reason for a villian to be evil is great.


And while I predicted that the third movie would be Harry as GG, I was hoping that I was wrong. I can't watch the first movie anymore, mainly because of how the scenes between Spidey and Goblin look. The masks moving with no mouths kind of ruins the drama for me. At least in the cartoon his mask moved while he spoke. And I didn't get why Harry was seeing his father as an halucination. It's not like he had the gas in him like his father.

When you obsess over a subject for a long period of time it tends to do things to your mind. You have to think that Harry had been plotting to get spider-man for the longest time. Then poof he has him and it's his friend Peter. Not to mention all the drinking that he had been doing. Harry is truly a mentally traumatized individual, without the gas. So i imagine that the gas will fortify any mentel stability he has.

The only gripe about the movie is a small one
everyone finding out about peters identity. It would have been better for me if the people that saw him all died. That would definitley fortify his belief about no one knowing in order to protect them. I don't mind the Harry revelation as it was predestined, but all those people...hmmm..

The movie was great. 2 web shooters up.

[Deadly Messiah]

Anything after the credits? I have tickets for the 11 am showing, can't wait.

[Jimmy Kustes]

The newspaper I work at just put their special on it up this morning (http://www.louisvillescene.com/2004/06/30/movie_spiderman2.html). I worked on the photo gallery if you want to take a peek.

[matta2fatta]

does this mean that maybe the lizard might be the next villian

[Killtacular]

Good.

But I had to take off points because of the absurdly blatant homages to B Movie cinematography. I don't care if Sam Raini directed Evil Dead. Those shots do not belong in this movie. A shot of a woman running up to a camera and screaming exaggeratively looks so ridiculously campy that it makes me feel like I stepped out of Spiderman 2 and into Batman and Robin. Some of the shots where the robot arms are hovering around, snapping their mouths open and closed like there are Muppets supposed to drape over them, really felt stupid. We're supposed to be against Schumakian direction like this, not praising it.

The best scene was in the train where they break the convention of inspirational "You'll have to get through me" crowd scenes.

[GCFyouthcamper]

Yo, this IS a spoilers thread so I'm not bothering to put anything in spoiler brackets.



My favorite scene was the train and what the people did regarding his unmasking.



Did anyone notice the impact webbing? It was during the battle on the clock tower. You know, I really expected Peter to build some webshooters when his powers were waning. Perhaps this will happen in the sequel?

[FredNash]

I laughed a lot in this movie. "My back! My back!" (nice reference to Tobey's real life back problems)I didn't think of that, I forgot Tobey had some real life back problems, what I thought it was referencing was right before he jumped when he said "I'm back!" then he falls and limps off saying "My back!"... heh.


Just noticing some things that were left hanging, or rather to be continued in Spider-Man 3... Harry and Peter didn't get a chance to resolve anything. The fluctuating spider powers.
Of course the Harry/Green Goblin thing was left hanging intentionally, but I thought they finished off the powers thing in this movie. He had his moment of doubt, and he overcame it. He decided to be Spiderman, so he's got his powers. I don't think they'll retread this in any subsequent movie, IMO.

Also, I liked the hospital scene! Of course it was obvious that it was taken practically right out of the Evil Dead series (nails on the floor, camera jumping around, chainsaw...) but I didn't think it was cheesy, it was a refreshing change of pace, and set the mood nicely. It was exciting and a little scary, and introduced the 'real' Doc Ock appropriately I thought...

[Evil Dr. Reef]

does this mean that maybe the lizard might be the next villianIf Lizard was going to be next, they wouldn't have ended the movie with Harry finding Norman's GG equipment. I think all the stuff with Connors was more comic book homage than future story set-up.

[matta2fatta]

i really hope that that green goblin aint the only villian in the 3rd one cause its the same thing from the first one i want someone new spidey isnt spidey without venom

[Squall]

does this mean that maybe the lizard might be the next villian
No! :( I want VENOM to be the villian in the final Spider-Man movie! Hopefully Harry as Green Goblin will be a bit part, a villian that Spider-Man dispatches within the first 15 minutes of the movie or so... in a black spidey suit that will turn on him later in the movie :D

[Marvel_Knight]

Venom? With Raimi around? Don't get your hopes up. I don't want Venom in these films. I want the more classic villians. I declare this day SPIDER-MAN (2) DAY!!!!!!

Today started out like any other day. Got up, showered dressed. But I dressed in my Spidey gear! Well, my Spidey shirt and hat. At about 1:00, I'm gonna get refreshments and watch Spider-Man on the big screen TV. Go for the theater at 3:15 and watch Spidey 2 at 4:05!!! See ya again at around oh say 7:30.

[Ryoutarou]

Sweet jesus this was one ass kicking movie! Gotta go see it again...like the ending and still everyone finding out about peter was kinda...eff i would have changed that but oh well...now bring on spiderman3

[rggkjg1]

great movie. glad to see stan lee in the sequel. i am really hoping venom will be in the 3rd one. with the way things are going in the movie series, i feel it would work if harry became venom. the goblin thing will be repetitive. although, we've seen norman come back from the dead many times. i wouldnt be suprised if he would be back in the 3rd one.

wasn't expecting art by alex ross in the opening credits. that was cool too.

[Quagmire]

Great Movie!!!

The fight scenes were awesome, the character development of Harry and Peter progressed the movie well too. So now Peter's 2 closest friends know the secret...

I definately think there will be at least 2 villains in the third one, or there should be. Harry as GG and the Lizard or Venom...

[ZorBrak]

INCREDIBLE. JUST INCREDIBLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS DONE AS WELL AS IT WAS BUT WOW. They did just abotu everything I wanted to see happen in this one so the story could move right along...to Venom. :D

My pitch for spidey 3...be nice I wrote it on the fly lol... :cool:

I think they should go ahead and have Harry as the Goblin next, but get a new suit man...the thing looks like a damn power ranger outfit.

Anyways number 3 should begin with Spidey's powers retreading to an unstable condition again and he has to go seek help from and confide in his college professor Dr. Kurt Conners who has recently made a break through discovery about human regeneration in the genetics field and become well known world wide. He concludes to Peter that his powers were an only temporary genetic mutation that it will be more difficult to reacticate overtime but will remain dormant in his DNA. As time goes on only heightened moments of rage or that release high levels of adrenaline will be able to trigger them and eventually he will be completely unable to reactivate them. He concludes Spider-man will have to give it up.

Peter has no emotional conflict over whether he should or shouldn't be Spider-man this time around, he refuses to quit but he has to face his own physical limitations of his dwindling abilities. MJ and Peter are finally together but this is unkown to JJ who would obviously not like this :P. MJ and Peter discuss what is happening with her admitting she would not mind having less Spider-man and more Peter....but aware of the promises he has made to himself and understanding of them. She will help him cope with what is happening to him.

Peter has spoken with Harry many times since the occurance but Harry is now in a mental institution...He thinks Spider-man and Peter to not be the same person (which keeps his identity safe) and has become schizophrenic and begun to suffer from Multiple Personality Disorder. His "father" wants him to kill Peter/Spider-man and he only wants to kill Spider-man and convinces himself they are not the same person. It is still unknown to the world that Harry has the goods to be the Goblin...and the lust to kill Spider-man, something he keeps hidden within himself.

While Spidey's powers are leaving him Jameson's son is making the world's first Space Shuttle landing in the state of New York. At the same time Harry escapes from the institution now fully controlled by "Norman". The Shuttle is attacked by Harry Osborn, the new Green Goblin, and catches fire on landing. Peter was there, ready to take pictures of the shuttle's landing. There is a battle between Spider-Man and Harry who is intent on killing peter now in his new non-power ranger Gobin suit and "Norman" personality. During the fight the shuttle explodes and kills everyone aboard and presumabley kills Spider-man as well who falls into the wreakage. He falls through the burning ceiling of the shuttle and into an onboard labratory where he sees viles of a strange tar like substance as they suddenly explode. The screen then goes black.


It opens again looking at a TV screen with News reports following the scene live witness the explosion of the shuttle that occurs shortly after Spider-man's fall into the wreakage. JJ is in the landing control room watching in horror and cursing Spider-Man. He believes the explosion was because of Spider-man and now hates him with vicious intent. However, Spider-man is presumed dead on the TV. As the scene fades out the reporter begins to speak of the charges being brought against the recently apprehended Wilson Fisk (had to tip the hat...not a player in this:P)

Eh gimme more time for the rest but there's the first part of my pitch :p

[wrenchien]

yeah.. remind me to go see this one when the theaters get a little less busy..

of course, knowing my local home town.. even if all the theaters in one cinema were used and half of the good films still out were put in the other one,

i'd think getting a ticket today would be impossible now. and tomorrow won't be looking very good, either.

as for doc octopus.. other than the arms, he's the most normal-looking supervillian ever made.. he even wasn't fashionable in the 70's when he was doing stories in between all the goblin and electro visitations, and yet , somehow.. he's been a very cool villian as people apparently kept asking for more of his stories.

[Daredevil_2003]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ! This is the best superhero film, EVER!!! I just got back from the 12.15 show and it was SO badass!!!! I cant even form a coherent opinion, it was that damned good! Oh, I loved every minute of it. It trounces the first one and every other superhero movie ever made. Oh man, I gotta go see it again. :D :D :D

[Conekiller]

so....ANYTHING AFTER THE CREDITS?

(at least anything worth watching, unlike the atrocious after credits nonsence in Dodgeball)

[Hatter]

No. There was nothing after the credits. (Which, by the way, seemed to be the shortest credits of all time for a major special effects picture...)


Another little touch that I liked... I don't think it was intentional, but the last shot of Doctor Octopus, in silhouette as he sinks into the river, sort of echoes the cover of Amazing Spider-Man #3, the first time we ever see him, also in silhouette.

http://www.sf-fan.de/sf-comic/cover/amazing_spider-man_3.jpg

[Lord Dalek]

That rocked. I can't think of anything else to say.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

Phil Lammar is in this movie. LOOK for him. :)

[Lord Dalek]

Phil Lammar is in this movie. LOOK for him. :)That was him on the train right?

I think I also saw Terry Gilliam.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

Yeah I had more to say but Windows was shutting down. I loved this movie. It's my new favorite movie kind of like how Spider-Man 1 was my favorite till Love Actually was released. I thought everything was great and I always dig it when you can laugh and spot things.

"Hey! He stole that guys pizza!" haha It made me laugh more so because of who that guy is. He's on both Dave Chapelle's show and Ricki Lake's show.

I saw Phil Lamarr on the train in the corner. I dunno why he didn't have a speaking role. It bugged me that all those people knew his identity cause SOMEONE is bound to tell another person but then again, none of this people knew who Peter Parker was and the only thing they'd be able to say is that they know his white and in 20's. So it wasn't so bad.

I suspect the next film will have 2 villians. Or it will have 1 and Harry will be have dissapeared during the 3rd film and have a few alluding cameos so by the 4th film he can return as The Goblin full time. I want to see Venom and came up with a way for that happen. It's kinda stupid but I don't care. Basically the symbiote is made in a lab by Harry(the Goblin) and some scientists to increase his stregth but it gets free and you know the whole black suit saga. It's a little raw but thats the basis.

I'm going again because this movie surpassed my expectations.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

That was him on the train right?

I think I also saw Terry Gilliam.
Yeah! I have no idea why he didn't say anything. haha

[DKstormyknight]

I have to say, that was a great, Spectacular, and Amazing (pun intended) movie!
The story was smart and captivating, and I loved how they explored the characters psychologically, and tied-up and built on the storylines from the first film.
It was great to see Peter work through his struggle of wanting a normal life and choosing to be a hero. It was very human and realistic.
Now that I said basically what I think of the movie, time for so fan-boy fun!
Ock rocked! The fight scenes between Spidey and him were wicked cool.
The train scene/fight was great too!
I was so happy that Harry took the mask off, and they didn’t just make some lame excuse not to- and that they let MJ find out too. I’m glad they finally let Peter and MJ be together instead of them going on in a never ending circle.
Harry at the end was great! The evil laughter, Norman in the mirror trying to get him to kill Peter, Harry throwing the knife through it, and then finding the Goblin gear.
Really, the entire movie was just beautiful to watch!



:harley:

[Icer]

What a great movie, you couldn't ask for any more.

The Evil Dead similarities I could do without though. But if that's what it costs for Raimi to be the director, bring em on.

[Deadly Messiah]

What an awesome movie. I really enjoyed it, but I do like the first one better because I was never a fan of Doc Ock. I prefer the Goblins who fly around blowing up everything with missles and pumpkin bombs.

I laughed my ass off when Jameson was sad that he drove Spider-Man to quit, and then started back up again the moment the costume disappeared.

Somehow I knew Norman would appear to tempt Harry into becoming the Goblin.

It was also funny seeing all those people on the train tell Ock he would have to go through them, so he did.

I did feel a little let down on the soundtrack because it just wasn't as good.

I give the movie a 4.5/5.

[superprime]

Wow. This was an incredible movie. It topped the first one in every way. The action, the drama, the humor, everything was better. I loved Doc Ock. They did a really good job bringing him into the movie world. I liked that they had the tenticles talk to him. I thought it was kind of creepy that they had minds of their own. The fights between Spidey and the Doc were amazing. They looked incredible and really put Spidey's agility and Docs tenticles to great use. The Peter and MJ stuff was good, as were the scenes between Peter and Aunt May. I can't believe he told her about what he did to lead to Uncle Ben's death. On the subject of Ben, the scene between Peter and him was really good too. I liked that even though he didn't have powers, Peter still went into the building to rescue that girl. Jonah Jameson was great too. He did steal every scene he was in. I'm also glad that Robbie and Betty got bigger parts, and we actually heard their names this time. I was surpirsed that MJ and Harry found out Peter was Spider-Man. My heart was pounding the through the whole scene where Harry finds out. It was cool that he found the Goblin gear at the end and it's a good set up for the third one. This was a great movie and now I really can't wait for the next one.

[BBunny]

I thought the movie was better than the first.

I had a feeling that Stan Lee would have a cameo in the movie.:D

Was Brooke Adams' scene cut? I didn't see her in the movie.:sad:

I wasn't to fond of the ending, but the movie was still great.:D

[Mike Spartz]

Was Brooke Adams' scene cut? I didn't see her in the movieBrooke Adams was a hoax

The movie was good but not great.

James Franco gave a fantastic performance as Harry Osborn but Tobey Maguire and Kristen Dunst were both very weak as Peter and MJ. Maguire and Dunst have little chemistry when playing star crossed lovers and all their scenes together felt forced and unatural. I'm also sick of Maguire's countless "blank stares" and the reused scenes from the first movie (ie. the fire rescue, the rooftop run). The effects were awesome and Ock looked and acted just as I'd imagined him from the comics. Peters scenes with Anut May were touching and I'll admit that there was more humor in this movie than in the first one. However, the script had some cheesy dialogue (ie. "punch me and I bleed" :rolleyes: ) and the music was boring and repetitive. the ending was cool, I'm glad they didn't kill Ock and the final shot of MJ looking out the window was very effective.

Conclusion: X2 is still the best comic book movie ever. Spidey 2 could've taken the title away if only the leads were given better dailogue to work with and actually had chemsitry together. Oh, and if the soundtrack acually had some new tunes instead of the same old, same old.

4/5 stars

[Daredevil_2003]

Conclusion: X2 is still the best comic book movie ever. Spidey 2 could've taken the title away if only the leads were given better dailogue to work with and actually had chemsitry together. Oh, and if the soundtrack acually had some new tunes instead of the same old, same old.

4/5 starsAfter thinking about it for awhile, I did flinch at some of the dialogue in Spidey 2, and I was more than slightly irritated at Mr. Elfmans constant rehasing of his first score, but it doesn't change my opinion that Spidey 2 is now the best superhero movie. I used to think it was X2, as well, but after seeing this my thoughts have changed, but X2 is still a close second. :D

[Chris Sanders MSX]

After thinking about it for awhile, I did flinch at some of the dialogue in Spidey 2, and I was more than slightly irritated at Mr. Elfmans constant rehasing of his first score, but it doesn't change my opinion that Spidey 2 is now the best superhero movie. I used to think it was X2, as well, but after seeing this my thoughts have changed, but X2 is still a close second. :D
I look at it like, We all loved the animated series and that show rehashed the musical score. It didn't bother me one bit. It let you know this is an ongoing saga.

I found Dunst to be kinda homely in this film. I dunno why. She was much more hot to me in the first film. I still stand behind my choice of Nikki Cox for the roll. Ah well I still loved it.

[Mike Spartz]

After thinking about it for awhile, I did flinch at some of the dialogue in Spidey 2, and I was more than slightly irritated at Mr. Elfmans constant rehasing of his first score, but it doesn't change my opinion that Spidey 2 is now the best superhero movie. I used to think it was X2, as well, but after seeing this my thoughts have changed, but X2 is still a close second. :DI was particularly peeved at the constant "I love you Peter," and Tobey's line at the end: "thank you Mary Jane Watson" was so URRGGGHH!!!!

It also seemed like Peter was a stoner in some of the scenes, especially in that one with Aunt May and Henry. I hated his blank stare (this was Maguires fault IMO) and those glasses made it worse.

And whats with the bank scene, Ock rips off a metal door to a vault full of gold coins and no one notices until he threw the door and it almost hit Aunt May before Peter saved her. I mean how staged was that???

[Nick K.]

Awesome! Best "hero" movie I've seen. It was nice to see a lot of the focus on Parker, and Spidey so much. Doc Ock was a great character as well. I really liked it a lot. I can't wait to have this on DVD! :)

[Lord Dalek]

Did anyone else get a kick out of seeing the Ash-master himself as the obnoxious usher?

[Mike Spartz]

Did anyone else get a kick out of seeing the Ash-master himself as the obnoxious usher?Yup, Bruce rocked as the usher. He was one of good things about Spidey 2. Molina was FABULOUS!!!!! as well, I forgot to mention him. His OCk will go down in history as one of the greatest movie villians of all time.

[Nick K.]

Bruce Cambell is overrated.

[Discloner]

It was good, definetly a diffrent direction then the first, which kind of threw me off...but still well worth my money.

It had an excellent blend of just about everything. Humor, Romance, Drama, Action, yadda yadda, yadda. Although the 'B movie' constant screaming and running that was ever so apparent really threw me off gaurd. I honestly can say if a man with tenticles was climbing up the wall of a building I was in, I'd sure as hell yell or scream as well...but I doubt I'd break the 4th wall.

Still, it was a good time, and I'm glad I saw it. Certain parts were very well done, and while the fight sequence CGI wasn't exactly up to par with what a big name blockbuster probably should have...it fit the bill. I can honestly say it didn't bother me as much as say...the plastic people in the Matrix Reloaded.

[Charlie]

I just got back from seeing it and I loved it. I enjoyed this one alot more than the first one. Mostly because of Dr. Oct, which I belive was one of the best acting performances for a villian I've seen in a while, especially considering the last few movies had them terribly portrayed (the latest Ridrick movie comes to mind here). The Peater and MJ love bits where probably the biggest downers I saw in the movie, pretty much every scene I saw with them was terrible. And the ending, what the heck! I wanted to see Venom or something, not Green Goblin again. Ehh, other than that it was great.


4 outa 5. I suddently have the urge to play City of Heroes.

[Spidey2099]

I just got back from the movie, and the crappy seats almost kept me from enjoying the second half of the film. (It was like sitting on cement!) :mad:

Anyways, I enjoyed the movie, and if they plan on Harry being the Goblin for the third, I really hope he recruits the Sinister Six as the main antagonists (to make up for the extreme lack of villain cameos. I mean, weren't we supposed to see the Rhino and the Lizard?).

[krazymed]

Every scene in X2 had a point. 30 minutes can be taken from Spider-man 2 and it would be an okay movie. And Raimi either needs to do another Evil Dead movie or let it go, because that's not what I paid to see. Nor did I pay to see a forty-minute retelling of the first movie. Mask that over what was otherwise a decent story, and it was fine. Not good or great, but fine.

[Deadly Messiah]

I want them to finish the Goblin story before doing anything else such as Venom. In fact, I hope the 3rd movie is on the Goblin Wars because Hobgoblin would look great in a movie.

Thing that sucks is that we have to wait until 2007 for the next one.

I still think the first one is the best comic movie ever though.

Who else is going to see this movie a second time if they have the chance?

[Nick K.]

Every scene in X2 had a point. 30 minutes can be taken from Spider-man 2 and it would be an okay movie. And Raimi either needs to do another Evil Dead movie or let it go, because that's not what I paid to see. Nor did I pay to see a forty-minute retelling of the first movie. Mask that over what was otherwise a decent story, and it was fine. Not good or great, but fine.

Where'd you get 40-minute retelling of the first? I got they were incorporating what happened in teh first into dialogue so viewers would have a sense of Spider-Man's story. They were connecting the two films. And it certainly wasn't 40 minutes worth.

[ZorBrak]

I look at it like, We all loved the animated series and that show rehashed the musical score. It didn't bother me one bit. It let you know this is an ongoing saga.

I found Dunst to be kinda homely in this film. I dunno why. She was much more hot to me in the first film. I still stand behind my choice of Nikki Cox for the roll. Ah well I still loved it.

You know what? I noticed a change about Dunst too. I've always thought she was beautiful with red hair since seeing Spidey but something about her in this made her less attractive than before. But definitely not unattractive.

[ZorBrak]

I was particularly peeved at the constant "I love you Peter," and Tobey's line at the end: "thank you Mary Jane Watson" was so URRGGGHH!!!!

Not much of the dialogue made me squirm this time...not like the woman in the world peace fest in the first one who smiled and yelled it's spider-man with so much glee while grenades and debris fell around her. THAT was God awful. But I was like um yeah Peter you are supposed to say "I love you too" not "thank you". Sheesh.

[Deadly Messiah]

Don't know what you guys were smoking, but I have never found Dunst good looking at all.

Oh, and I just thought of something. Did anyone notice there were 2 gliders behind Harry in that hidden room? Perhaps that means we will get both Goblins in the next movie. I hope.

[Lord Dalek]

Bruce Cambell is overrated.Someone fetch me my boomstick.

[Mike Spartz]

And that black chick who yelled "Yeah! Go get 'em Spidey!" I was :rolleyes: my eyes at that one!

[Cyber E.]

You know what? I noticed a change about Dunst too. I've always thought she was beautiful with red hair since seeing Spidey but something about her in this made her less attractive than before. But definitely not unattractive.
Dunst wore a wig in the first movie. She decided to dye her hair red for the future installments of Spider-Man because she liked the look.

BTW Spider-Man 2 rocks and anyone who says otherwise does not. =]

[Mike Spartz]

BTW Spider-Man 2 rocks and anyone who says otherwise does not. =]
please elaborate

[Eddie G.]

BLUE WOLF'S RANDOM THOUGHTS ABOUT SPIDERMAN 2...


There was some bad CGI, which I suppose is unfair since Spiderman was done wondefully. But CGI Oct (full CGI Oct, not when the arms were CGI but arms and Molina) and the CGI train people were rather poor, not horrible but it was so obviously CGI...

Anyway the film was very well done, the Spiderman story was interesting. I got a little bored with feeling bad for Pete at one point, I mean it just got taken a little too far, maybe they should of cut some out of the script or in the editting room. But I was glad that most of the film was focused on Peter and his relationship with MJ. I also liked the Bugle play, in the previous film it felt a little tacked on... only done because it is part of the Spiderman story.

With Doc Oct, not the way I imagined. I liked the whole origin, the effects, and Molina was so good (I need to see Fiddler on the Roof). But I just never saw him as a poor soul. I mean I understand that he was once a good man but I see him now as nothing but a madman. But it was a nice angle and really worked out well, some great action scenes.

The elevated train scene would have been better in the Bronx or Brooklyn where elevated trains exist. But I did love the scene, as corny as it was I felt like crying when all the people confronted the unmasked Spidey.

The ending, great. MJ looking out the window as Spidey swung to save people was bitter sweet and a perfect way to end it. With Harry, I knew it was going to happen but it was nice to hear the person next to me go, "Holy Crap."

I also loved the hints and cameos, JJ's son, Pre-Lizard, Dr. Strange Mention, Spiderman mentioning his enemies. Screw the Bloods and the mafia, we know he was talking about Electro, Kingpin, and the Vulture. I also sure the Eastern European girl as the closest thing to Gwen that we were going to see.

Great film, I can't wait to see 3.

A-

[krazymed]

Where'd you get 40-minute retelling of the first? I got they were incorporating what happened in teh first into dialogue so viewers would have a sense of Spider-Man's story. They were connecting the two films. And it certainly wasn't 40 minutes worth.
Things like Harry's whiny obsession with Spidey killing his father or MJ's continual interest in people not named Peter Parker, we pretty much got that from the first movie. That's what I mean.

[InfinityBlade]

With Harry, I knew it was going to happen but it was nice to hear the person next to me go, "Holy Crap."

Heh. Similar reaction here. Most of my theater collectively gasped when Norman appeared in the mirror, while one guy shouted "son of a &%#)!" XD

[Colin]

Things like Harry's whiny obsession with Spidey killing his father or MJ's continual interest in people not named Peter Parker, we pretty much got that from the first movie. That's what I mean.
So, then... you wanted to the first Harry/Spidey confrontation to be something like this:

Harry: "You killed my father! I hate you!"
Spidey: "I'm sorry."
Harry: "That's okay. I forgive you now."

the obsession was obviously a 2 year thing that Harry's been trying to deal with... and judging by the fact that he's drinking heavily, plus still bitter about Peter regarding the whole Spiderman thing, it's obviously been a long, hard 2 years for Harry.

As for MJ's "continual interest in people not named Peter Parker" ...people/characters aren't allowed to be interested in people/characters because of what some internet fanboys think?

Both of the two "problems" that seemed like "holdovers" from the first movie to you are natural parts of life and moving on.... for traumatic events like Harry's you're not gonna rest until you get some resolution; and as for MJ and her moving on, maybe in the last 2 years she thought she realized that something with Peter just wasn't gonna happen so it's time to seek out other options.

(and as an added aside: seen the movie twice now... ;))

[krazymed]

In the short run my opinion doesn't matter at all. I obviously know little about superhero movies and know nothing about social interactions with other human beings. It's actually funny because it's the truth.

[Nick K.]

In the short run my opinion doesn't matter at all. I obviously know little about superhero movies and know nothing about social interactions with other human beings. It's actually funny because it's the truth.

Awww... don't say that. :)

Your points were valid and discussion worthy.

[Hurricane V1]

I absolutley loved the movie. The Spiderman movies and the MTV series make me wanna cry because I would so love to websling like Spidey.

So many surprises in Spiderman 2, so much comedy as well.

"Nice Spidey suit....it looks a little uncomfortable"

"Yeah, it's a little itchy....and it rides the crotch a bit"

I shouldn't criticize at all, but one little thing bothered me. Spiderman has superior strength and speed compared to a human being, in this movie he looked like Superman by trying to stop the train with his foot and holding up that huge wall that was going to crush MJ. How is it his punches don't decapitate, let alone knock out, Doc Ock? Especially in the heat of a fight you'd think Spidey couldn't pull his punches well.

Bah, great movie, one of my favs. Can't wait for the DVD.

I went to see it in my Spiderman costume. I even cut out reflective eyepieces from my cheap sunglasses to add to the mask. Little did I realize there would be five other guys in Spidey costumes at the premiere as well. I felt so overshadowed.

[Master Moron]

I'm glad they didn't kill Ock and the final shot of MJ looking out the window was very effective.


Huh? Ock drowned in the river didn't he?



I also loved the hints and cameos, JJ's son, Pre-Lizard, Dr. Strange Mention, Spiderman mentioning his enemies. Screw the Bloods and the mafia, we know he was talking about Electro, Kingpin, and the Vulture. I also sure the Eastern European girl as the closest thing to Gwen that we were going to see.

Great film, I can't wait to see 3.

A-

Huh? What reference to his enemies were you talking about?

You know, I also agree that there were some unnecessary scenes. I didn't understand the point of that whole scene with Peter having cake with that blonde chick, what did that have to do with anything?

I really don't see how anyone could say Doc Ock is a better villain than Green Goblin. I thought Green Goblin's mask was creepy as hell. If the mouth moved it would have been corny. I also loved Willem Defoe's laugh. And the whole riding on a hovercraft throwing bombs was awesome. But, Doc Ock had his moments too, but he definitely wasn't as creepy as the Green Goblin.

[Mike Spartz]

Huh? Ock drowned in the river didn't he?



Huh? What reference to his enemies were you talking about?

You know, I also agree that there were some unnecessary scenes. I didn't understand the point of that whole scene with Peter having cake with that blonde chick, what did that have to do with anything?

I really don't see how anyone could say Doc Ock is a better villain than Green Goblin. I thought Green Goblin's mask was creepy as hell. If the mouth moved it would have been corny. I also loved Willem Defoe's laugh. And the whole riding on a hovercraft throwing bombs was awesome. But, Doc Ock had his moments too, but he definitely wasn't as creepy as the Green Goblin.
Let me be a little clearer, they didn't make Ock's death obvious. For all we know, Ock could've escaped death by drowning, we never actually saw him die and he didn't look hurt in that last shot of him in the movie.

[Hurricane V1]

You know, I also agree that there were some unnecessary scenes. I didn't understand the point of that whole scene with Peter having cake with that blonde chick, what did that have to do with anything?

I really don't see how anyone could say Doc Ock is a better villain than Green Goblin. I thought Green Goblin's mask was creepy as hell. If the mouth moved it would have been corny. I also loved Willem Defoe's laugh. And the whole riding on a hovercraft throwing bombs was awesome. But, Doc Ock had his moments too, but he definitely wasn't as creepy as the Green Goblin.
The scene with Peter eating cake with his landlord's daughter probably had to do with complications in Peter's life. One of the cool things about Peter Parker in the comics was that he had a whole lot of different love interests before settling down with MJ. Since the first movie ignored this part, I'm figuring that's the reason why Peter had cake and why Betty was giving him encouraging words at the Bugle, to show that Pete still has charm.

I thought the scene where the tentacles first run wild was creepy as heck. The way that one poor female surgeon got dragged along to her doom while screaming "noooo" reminds me of an upcoming scene in Ultimate Spidey where Carnage does the same thing to some poor woman and her b/f in an alley. GG creeped me out a couple times though, especially when that one pumpkin bomb totally fried that group of men into skeletons instantly. Nasty.

[shogunthethird]

Freakin' SWEET dude! seriously! you guys! Seriously you guys!

okay, Carman-isms aside that movie ROCKED!

and as much as I'm a fan of Venom, he's one of those characters that doesn't translate well to live-action and as for movie three I gotta go with the sinister six, it's actually semi-plausible, Harry as Green Goblin #2 for one, Scorpion, Sandman, Mysterio and Rhino as the next four and to fill in the last slot I'm thinking Kraven as a hired mercenary or something, I dunno....unless they can make the Vulture seem badass or something, I mean how many villains are there in spidey's rogue's gallery you could actually make a decent movie around?

[Nick K.]

The way that one poor female surgeon got dragged along to her doom while screaming "noooo" reminds me of an upcoming scene in Ultimate Spidey where Carnage does the same thing to some poor woman and her b/f in an alley.

Spoiler tags!

[Patrick Bateman]

Spoiler tags!Why? The thread says there's gonna be spoilers. I don't know why anyone would come read this stuff without seeing the movie first...

Anyway, this movie was FANTASTIC. Start to finish, my butt was glued to my seat, a smile plastered on my face. The beefed up version of the Spidey theme playing over Alex Ross paintings was awesome, and I liked how they recapped the first film during the intro, with pictures, instead of wasting time with a narrated flashback or something like that. The nods to the comics were there in full force, and J. Jonah Jameson was at his peak. He was a scene stealer. "Sir, your wife lost her check book." "Thanks for the good news!" :D James Franco was another standout in the film. I really enjoyed his performance. I see nothing but great things in his future. Tobey Maguire was a little shaky as Spidey the first time around, IMO, but here in movie 2 I thought he did exceptionally well, and he became Spider-Man to me. Bruce Campbell, funny as always. And Alfred Molina. Man oh man, he's a great actor. I hadn't seen him before, but his first scene with Peter at his lab/home, it really got across the message that he wasn't exactly a villain by natural selection. Great comedy, great drama, wonderous action, and a story with real heart. Easily my favorite comic film to date.

On a side note, the "Raindrops fallin' on my head" musical montage was HILARIOUS, especially the Mary Tyler Moore-esque freeze-frame at the end of it.:D

[Nick K.]

Why? The thread says there's gonna be spoilers. I don't know why anyone would come read this stuff without seeing the movie first...


If you read what I asked spoiler tags for, you'd see it's for an upcoming issue of Ultimate Spider-Man which hasn't been released and now spoiled.

[Mike Spartz]

If you read what I asked spoiler tags for, you'd see it's for an upcoming issue of Ultimate Spider-Man which hasn't been released and now spoiled.
Oh, don't be such a nicky pickle! Spidey 2 the movie just came out! Let's party!!

[Nick K.]

Oh, don't be such a nicky pickle! Spidey 2 the movie just came out! Let's party!!

Harry Potter will die by the end of the seventh book. Let's party!

[Mike Spartz]

Harry Potter will die by the end of the seventh book. Let's party!You want to go off topic? Fine.

The entire Justice League and all the superhero's on earth, excluding Wonder Woman, will be murdered by Darkseid's minions at the end of JLU's season finale. Earth will be enslaved by evil aliens from outer space and Wonder Woman will be forced to undergo plastic surgury and become Darkseid's new man servant.

Happy?

[Chris Sanders MSX]

Are you guys kidding me?:shrug:

*Sigh* Back on Topic

Uhh.. I'm betting Spider Man is gonna set SOME record because almost everyone who has seen it once plans to see it again.

On villians, I just don't see the Sinister Six working. It just seems like overkill. The Lizard seems like a step down, I mean to me. Like it could involve some cool sewer scenes but it'd be tough to top this film with the Lizard.

Venom is the best bet.

I can see it happening, with Harry's Goblin being the next villian, but not in a major way. Like Harry wouldn't be as good as his dad was and would be more easily defeated. The second movie introduced JJ's kid so that could lead to the next film featuring him returning or going to space. Either way with him returning with Symbiote which shortly drives Peter insane, during a battle with The Goblin or something, is rejected by Peter, finds the new side character..Eddie Brock.

Who becomes Venom, who goes looking for Peter who is dealing with the Goblin. Venom easily gets the Goblin out of the way as he wants Spider-Man to himself and an awesome battle begins. So it could happen....

[Mike Spartz]

Are you guys kidding me?:shrug:

*Sigh* Back on Topic

Uhh.. I'm betting Spider Man is gonna set SOME record because almost everyone who has seen it once plans to see it again.

On villians, I just don't see the Sinister Six working. It just seems like overkill. The Lizard seems like a step down, I mean to me. Like it could involve some cool sewer scenes but it'd be tough to top this film with the Lizard.

Venom is the best bet.

I think spidey 3 villians will be Green Goblin 2 and maybe lizard or Hobgoblin.

Venom should be saved for a later movie because his alter ego hasn't even been intorduced yet and the goblin arc isn't finished.

If they do a sinister six, it has to be in the sixth movie.

[Spidey2099]

If they do a sinister six, it has to be in the sixth movie.Raimi's stopping at three. I think. :confused:

Anyways, I see the Sinister Six angle having more chance than the Venom one. We really get the nostalgia of Peter's early years with these two movies, why not have the third one conclude the series with one final tour of Spidey's Classic Rouges Gallery (tm) ? The Sinister Six could easily be brought into the plot with very brief introductions. Besides, they would only be "Harry's Revenge Squad;" most of the characters, Vulture, Sandman, Electro, Mysterio, have origins that are very straightforward and can easily be explained within a few introductory scenes. Since the Goblin would be the leader, and if Doc Ock is alive, Kraven really doesn't need to be involved.

And yes, I know everyone probably thinks there would be a problem with leadership between the Goblin and Ock, but to me, it seemed like Otto really wasn't the take-control boss man he was in the comics. He seemed more confused and conflicted due to the tentacles trying to take control of him.

[The Clown Prince]

I shouldn't criticize at all, but one little thing bothered me. Spiderman has superior strength and speed compared to a human being, in this movie he looked like Superman by trying to stop the train with his foot and holding up that huge wall that was going to crush MJ. How is it his punches don't decapitate, let alone knock out, Doc Ock? Especially in the heat of a fight you'd think Spidey couldn't pull his punches well.Regarding the train scene, despite having his powers for 2 years, he probably didn't quite yet know the extent of his strength in what he could or in that scene's case, couldn't do. He had to try didn't he? ;) And also, he's always holding up collapsing walls in the comics as well. He is that strong. ;)

And yeah, he was pulling his punches. He does have super strength, but he doesn't want to kill who ever it is he's hitting. This is touched on all the time in the comics. Superman does the exact same thing.

Regarding the movie, just absolutley wonderful! A perfect blend of everything. Not too much action or too little. Great character development scenes. For at least Spider-Man 3, it'll be in good hands.

My guess is that if in fact we do see Harry as the Green Goblin, my guess is that to not make it exactly like the first film, we'll see a slightly or maybe even complete overhauled redesign of the Green Goblin suit. And for me, it would be much welcomed because I'm among those that feel that the design of the GG suit was botched. The body suit was fine I guess, but the mask was just a disaster. It would also be a nice nod that this is not the same Green Goblin, so a new costume is called for.

My nit pick comes with Aunt May's big scene with Spidey and Doc Ock. I don't think she should have been in that much distress. It could have been calmed down quite a bit if they needed since they were obviously working with the idea that May was going to change her opinion of Spider-Man.

I'll definatley be seeing this again this summer, but not until the theaters calm down a bit.

And regarding all this Sinister Six talk, for Spidey 3 and future movies, NO MULTIPLE VILLIANS! God, not even 2. Batman Returns was OK with this concept, but Batman Forever and Batman and Robin showed us that mulitple villians can't be done. Not if you plan on having a 3 hour plus movie, because I'd like a proper introduction to these villians. Who they are, how and why they got their powers, and then actually develope them. Not just stick them in their for the sake of it. The first X-Men film could have handled the multiple villians if they had enough time, but I guess that goes for the heros too. I have a feeling though that we may get the combo of Harry Green Goblin and The Lizard for the third film.

The Clown Prince

[cheungcheung]

the movie was great...

for some reason, i feel like i enjoyed the first one a little more... i came outta that movie completely amazed, but i definitely can admit that the story in this one was much better... i'll probably have another opinion after i watch it again this weekend some time...

as well as the villain.. doc ock was beyond cool. all of the doc ock/spidey action scenes were extremely cool... even though i didn't like the emotional stuff that occurred on the train with all of them new yorkers...


i really like the mj/peter scenes, and mj's final line to peter was the perfect way to end the movie...

there were points in the first hour or so that bored me... they kinda overdid it with the whole 'peter's life sucks hardcore' stuff...

as for the third one, i can't believe we have to wait til freakin 2007!! argh!!

they're all only contracted til this one, with dunst coming out blatantly saying that that will be her last one... :(

as for the enemies, i read in some interview, that they have decided that the enemies work best in these movies if they have a personal connection for peter, which is why there can never be like six of them in a movie... it wouldn't work well, in my opinion..

i personally want venom, but if raimi doesn't have an interest or passion in that villain, then whatever, i'll be happy with whatever he does, i believe.. i have faith in that man...

[Eddie G.]

Huh? What reference to his enemies were you talking about?"All my enemies..."
"Spiderman will always have enemies."

I admit those enemies could be the Bloods, but it's nice to believe that they are comic book enemies. Also two characters in the film will one day be Spidey badies.


You know, I also agree that there were some unnecessary scenes. I didn't understand the point of that whole scene with Peter having cake with that blonde chick, what did that have to do with anything?It showed that he only had eyes for MJ, he doesn't care about Betty or her (who for our purposes I'm just going to call Gwen because I was 90% sure she was intended to be Gwen Stacey). I wouldn't have minded the scene being cut, but the character and scene does feed into the whole theme of us doing what we want to do, we can be whoever want to be.*

*That I find intresting how each film has a moral and theme, not just superheroes are awesome

1st film-"We are who we choose to be."
The first movie dealt very much with the choices we make and the consequences we must face for these choices. This theme was a little more loud than that of the second film.

2nd film-"We can be whoever we want to be."
Want is the key word, we see a lot of it. Peter wants to do the right thing, but he wants a normal life. MJ wants Peter. Doc Oct wants to be a good man and in the ending it is his wanting that overcomes the outside forces that make him do evil.

[CerebralSocko]

Saw it yesterday. Waited about 20 minutes in line, and the theater was PACKED. Anyway, a pretty damn good sequel, and I'll probably watch it again when the hype dies down.

-XD @ "Spider-Man stole that guy's pizzas!!"
-Every scene with Jonah was hilarious, especially when he and Ted Raimi's characters were trying to come up with names for Doc Ock. Or when JJ was preaching that the city needed Spider-Man, then made a quick 180 after Spidey retrives his costume.
-JJ: "I'll give you $150 for the photo." / Peter: "I want $300." / JJ: "$300?! That's outrageous! Done."
-LMAO @ the elevator scene. Never in a million years would I ever expect to see Spider-Man ride the elevator. And the conversation with that dude while in it.. X friggin' D
-Heh, the theater let out a collective groan when they saw Ock put on the metallic arms for the first time. Must've been the needles, I guess.
-The Doc's hospital scene = gruesome.
-Damn, that was a hell of a whack Aunt May gave Otto upside the head. @_@
-"I believe there's a hero in all of us." <-- wise words, indeed.
-The clocktower fight is probably my favorite fight scene in the movie. WOW.
-The train scene where various New Yorkers brought an unmasked Spidey to the middle of the car was pretty powerful.
-I can't understand why Doc Ock would agree to a deal with Harry, when he could've just as easily demanded Osborn to cough up the trilum (?) by threatening to throw him off the balcony. Unless, of course, Ock had his own agenda with Web-head, which I couldn't think of (well, except in the console game where he thought Spider-Man killed his wife).
-Only thing I didn't like is how they kinda swept the scene where Harry finds out Spidey's identity aside. It's a huge revelation, and should've been treated as such. Ah well, maybe in Spider-Man 3.
-Damn. Otto seemed too much of a nice guy to turn all Bwahaha-evil, but I suppose that's what loosing your wife and your life's work will do to ya.
-WHOA. Didn't expect MJ to find out Spidey's true identity, too. Harry, I knew. Otto was expected. But MJ, too?
-So now Harry knows who his Pop was. Question is, will he still carry on his grudge towards Spidey now that he realizes his father's death was justified, or will he have a change of heart? Very interesting stuff for part 3 ahead.

[Cool Blue]

Ok, I just skimmed this thread but for those of you who think that the Green Goblin is the only villian for the next movie, I got some good news. Venom is going to be in. Just click on this page right here for all movies coming out relating to comic books. Just click Spider-Man 2 on the side. http://www.efavata.com/CBM/index.htm. This site is informative. And for my thoughts on the second movie. I saw it twice in under 24 hrs. I saw the midnight show and then the 645 show. This movie ws phenominal and one of the greatest. It has good humor and great fight scenes. The story was really awesome and it should get all 4 stars. It is one of the best Superhero movies ever

[staticblue]

hey guys.. with all the talk about venom and the goblins and such, no one has mentioned that Jonahs son is also destined to become the minor spidey villian Man-Wolf. C'mon everyone lets hear 3 cheers for man-wolf being the next big spidey villian!!!





ok i have that out of my system. now, my take on the film......absolutley excellent. I loved this movie, nothing more, nothing less. Im going to see it again, for the 4th because it was that great. My take on the next villian/s

1. Although it is always destined for harry to become green goblin, it would probably be an interesting change of pase to have him call himself hobgoblin, the deadlier of the goblins. Think about it, we already get an idea that he sees his father as calling him weak and not fit to follow in his footseps. he could think, if i cant be as good as my father, ill carve a different goblin legacy, but still keep the homage to the man i want to avenge.

2. Lizard. I see spidey dealing with him in the beginning of the film. then when harry comes out as the goblin he is planning to become, rather it be hob or green, he unleashes lizard on spidey, to slow him down and keep him distracted from harry.

3. Man-wolf. All jokes aside, since he is destined to become manwolf in the comics, team him and lizard up or something.

just minor points, I hadnt really thought these out.

[DR.MID-NITE]

All of the scenes when Peter gives up being Spidey. Reminded me of when Supes gives up his powers in Supes 2.

[Marvel_Knight]

Uh...okay. I'm just going to do PROS & CONS.

Pros:

*Pretty much most of the film. The acting was great. Tobey was just as good (as the first film), Kirsten was better, Rosemary, James, all great. Alfred Molina was an incredible Ock.

*Action scenes I were really impressed with. SOme of my favorite action scenes.

* I admit, I was skeptical of the special effects at first. They were impressive.

*The story I loved. Kept me involved. I was never bored.




Cons:

*I feel like I didn't see Octavious enough.


*I just have to compare. In the novel, it made you feel more for Otto when he lost Rosie. They should've kept the scene with Otto meeting Curt (in the movie, my friends didn't even notice he had only one arm). John had more emotion when MJ didn't make it. Aunt May lashed out at Peter after he told her about Ben. One scene I wish Raimi had kept (Raimi said he cut about 5 mins of the movie. I'm pretty sure this was it. It's gonna be on a Spider-Man 2.5 after the first S-M2 DVD) Betty looks into JJJ's office and sees him wearing the Spidey suit, pretending to be Spider-Man.

[Spider-Man]

Spider-Man 2 far exceeded my expectations. Not only am I obviously a huge fan of the character but I love the director’s work, too and the homages he put in this movie made me enjoy it ever so much. From Peter’s walk down the street to that song to the chainsaw in the hospital scene, it was such a fun ride.

There are a couple downers. I wish Doc Ock was in it a bit more and that his device and fate were explained more. And I wish a few less people saw Parker without his mask. It seems like everyone knows who he is, even though they don’t know his name under the mask. They just know his face so I guess it’s not a big deal.

But those couple downers are nothing compared to how much I enjoyed this film. The fight scenes were breathtaking and the acting was great. Seeing Norman Osborn in that mirror was haunting. I heard a collective gasp from the audience when Harry saw him. Plus that dream sequence with Peter and Uncle Ben was touching. It worked well as symbolizing Peter turning his back on his promise of responsibility.

Back to the action scenes, which I thought were amazing. Even though a couple had some faulty CGI, almost all of them were amazing. There were some scenes where I could tell if it was CGI or live-action. They certainly amped up the CGI here and it looked marvelous. The fight scenes were so intense to watch. My heart was racing during most of them, especially the train sequence. They really outdid themselves with all of this.

The various subplots were good too. I like how we are going to be kept guessing about the fallout from Harry’s two discoveries. Those will definitely drive the next movie. I also wonder how they will take the Peter and MJ subplot. Will they go the comic route or make some changes? I am not sure but I do know I really enjoyed this and thought the movie was executed close to perfection. Molina was perfect as Doc Ock, and the rest of the cast was back in their top form from the first. Maguire, Dunst, Franco, Rosemary, all of them.

The movie also pulled in alot of money last night according to SuperheroHype!. According to the site, the movie pulled in an estimated $40.5 million! The full report is up here (http://superherohype.com/spider-man/index.php?id=1658).

A perfect sequel and possibly the best comic book movie ever! I can't wait to see this movie again!

[Tobias]

Eh. Overhyped and underwritten. Still, better than the Hulk and FAR better than the upcoming Catwoman, but I just didn't care for SM2, and now I'm not anticipating SM3 as much as I was yesterday.

[Deadly Messiah]

Eh. Overhyped and underwritten. Still, better than the Hulk and FAR better than the upcoming Catwoman, but I just didn't care for SM2, and now I'm not anticipating SM3 as much as I was yesterday.
What didn't you like about it? I can understand overhyped, but explain underwritten.

[Conekiller]

I highly enjoyed it. BUt I think everyone might be barking up the wrong tree with Harry here. Now he knows that his best friend is Spidey AND his dad was the Goblin, a murderer and enemy of spider-man. I hope he can come to grips with this knowledge and accept that Spiderman did not kil his father in cold blood, but that it was a neccessary thing.

But he did lose his damn mind so......


Something I really liked was the design of the Oct tentacles. Specifically the top 2 ( the bottom 2 were designed to be more like feet) they were animated with such personality. Raimi and Molina did a great job in depicting the tentacles' twisting the truth in Otto's mind (anyone notice the Garden of Eden's Serpent immagery everytime Otto would be....persuaded by the tentacles) Another thing, we kow the tentacles all had cameras built into them, but can Otto see from those too? that would be freaky. I would have liked to see simple scene where a bug, or something lands on Otto's cheek and he , unconciously, brings in a tentacle to move it out of the way, stops, and does it with his own hand. but I can understand the cost of doing something liek that would make it not neccessary.

I felt the scene after spidey saved the train and was being elevated above the people to be kinda silly. the only innapropriately silly scene in the movie (I liked the B-movie -ish scenes, especially the hospital scene)

Was Alex Ross credited with the art at the beginning? I don't recall seeing his name. That was a great way to keep people up to speed.

I can't decide which was better, this or X2.......It's a tough decision.

[Tobias]

What didn't you like about it? I can understand overhyped, but explain underwritten.

I didn't see any real characterization that didn't happen in the first movie. Mary Jane loves Peter, Peter loves MJ, she doesn't realize it, goes out with another guy only to come around at the end. Except for the new 'happy' ending, this happened in the first movie.

Peter grapples with being both himself and Spider-Man, and just being Peter causes others to suffer. Not using his powers (even if couldn't) cost someone their life, just like Uncle Ben dying in the first movie.

Peter makes friends with a genius, whose experiment blows up in his face, turns him evil, he kidnaps MJ, beats the snot out of Spidey, he saves MJ, villain dies after getting a moment of clarity. This happened in the first movie.

I didn't see any real character growth since the ending of SM1. And having Spidey unmasked to what could be dozens of people was pushing it. Does he honestly expect that many people to keep their mouth shut? Even if they don't know his name, they know his face. That's enough to recognize him walking down the street.

[Nick K.]

You want to go off topic? Fine.

The entire Justice League and all the superhero's on earth, excluding Wonder Woman, will be murdered by Darkseid's minions at the end of JLU's season finale. Earth will be enslaved by evil aliens from outer space and Wonder Woman will be forced to undergo plastic surgury and become Darkseid's new man servant.

Happy?

LOL :rolleyes:


I didn't see any real characterization that didn't happen in the first movie. Mary Jane loves Peter, Peter loves MJ, she doesn't realize it, goes out with another guy only to come around at the end. Except for the new 'happy' ending, this happened in the first movie.


MJ realized Peter loved her the whole time. What she didn't know was why he wouldn't tell her.

[Spidey2099]

And regarding all this Sinister Six talk, for Spidey 3 and future movies, NO MULTIPLE VILLIANS!
Granted, we were scarred by Batman & Robin. But this is one franchise where numerous villains would actually be appreciated in the movie. Okay, maybe not thrown into the plot, that's reserved for the Harry/ Peter dilemma. But cameos would be very nice, and would actually establish that Peter has made these so-called enemies, further explaining why he's worried about involving MJ in his life. Besides, the next movie will be the only time that we will ever see any of Spidey's rouges on screen, so yes, if Raimi isn't doing the Sinister Six angle, cameos would still be nice.

[creeper]

I didn't see any real characterization that didn't happen in the first movie. Mary Jane loves Peter, Peter loves MJ, she doesn't realize it, goes out with another guy only to come around at the end. Except for the new 'happy' ending, this happened in the first movie.
In the first movie MJ didn't know she loved Peter until the end. In this one she loved him the throughout the time, but since she was rejected in the first film she moved on. This would be the aftermath of Peter's decision. Peter gets to decide to finally be with MJ, which entails him giving up his Spidey persona. The second film was more a cause and effect thing. You get to see the aftermath of the ordeals in the first movie and how the characters are dealing with it.


Peter grapples with being both himself and Spider-Man, and just being Peter causes others to suffer. Not using his powers (even if couldn't) cost someone their life, just like Uncle Ben dying in the first movie.

In the first movie Peter didn't know how being Spider-man would effect is life. In the second one we see his schooling has suffered, and his job availability/reliability had suffered. Not to mention we see that Peter is tired of taking pictures of Spider-man and being trashed. Again we see the cause and effect of his choice of being Spider-man.



Peter makes friends with a genius, whose experiment blows up in his face, turns him evil, he kidnaps MJ, beats the snot out of Spidey, he saves MJ, villain dies after getting a moment of clarity. This happened in the first movie.
Green Goblin didn't die in a moment of clarity. He prentended to have one, to kill Spidey. He was too far gone to honestly save. Plus I don't think Peter made friends with either Norman or Otto. The met and both realized Peter's potential. What superhero movie don't they kidnap or kill the hero's significant other?



I didn't see any real character growth since the ending of SM1. And having Spidey unmasked to what could be dozens of people was pushing it. Does he honestly expect that many people to keep their mouth shut? Even if they don't know his name, they know his face. That's enough to recognize him walking down the street.
To me Spidey 2 was all about the character growth, and/or consequences from the first movie. I think the path they took with each character was very dead on or as dead on as a comic book movie can be. I didn't like the spidey unmasked thing too, but I think that was very important to see the "goodness" in the people that Spidey helped. We have to assume from the direction that they will keep the secret. I think Peter needed that momment too, making what he's being spidey for, worth it.

[Slade_Wilson]

I was afraid of this. Everytime a new highly expected movie comes out, we get a I-Dont-Know-How-Long thread which has half of the community prasing it like it was Jesus, and half of the people bashing it like it was Gigli. Cooler heads do prevail and give it the amount of credit that it deserves. Such statements as "overhyped" "not living up to the first" and "Underwritten" are completely unnecessary especially when I know for a fact that half of you more than likely do not have the proper education to understand what constitutes as a good movie. Now I know what most of you are saying now after that last statement,that I'm flaming.but what I'm actually saying is that a lot of you have not recieved any education related to film or mass communications at all.it could be that your not in school, it could be that your too young, but take it as you want.

the fact is, opinions are the number one ruinations of movies, especially those of people that have no reason opening their mouthes in the first place.again i say, if this offends you, the obviously the comment relates to you in some way.Prime example is Catwoman. This movie may end up suprising many of you, but because it's not done the way you think it should be, a lot of you want it to fail. that's like telling your child not to do his homework or study cause he's just gonna mess up regardless.the only rebuttle I can offer to those are, if you think your so great, why aren't you making movies.

now that that's out of the way, Spiderman 2. Hardly underwritten, as it was more story than action. Peter had real problems, real issues, a choices that he struggled with the whole time. And when push came to shove, he did what any of us would most likely do, He said forget it. I do think they could have showed more of how spiderman action was getting in the way of his life. All we saw was him juggling these problems. he was Spidey for like, 2 or 3 times before a fought ock.

Speaking of Ock, I actually held him up to high praise, even a role model...til he went good at the end. But I guess it had to happen to one of these villains. He was makin all the right moves and I was actually crying at how masterful he was portrayed. he even went old school and robbed a bank.

Revealing his identity was also a WTF moment for me. It worked, but it also felt as if they were pulling moves that should have been saved for his possibly last movie. It was also a bit unreal. out of all those people on that train, your telling me not one had a camera phone or something? But I guess they wanted to show that people actually have morals and hearts and even conscience and wanted to help someone that has put his life on the line for them and others on so many occasions. after all he was nothing but a mere 20 year old boy. Trust me I know, he graduated when I did. and while almost everybody saw his face, he mught as well had walked up into JJJ's office with the suit on.but i guess thats what the challenge of a part 3 is all about.

[Tobias]

Green Goblin didn't die in a moment of clarity. He prentended to have one, to kill Spidey. He was too far gone to honestly save. Plus I don't think Peter made friends with either Norman or Otto. The met and both realized Peter's potential. What superhero movie don't they kidnap or kill the hero's significant other?


I meant after he got gutted by the glider and was a few seconds away from dying and told Peter not to let Harry know what he'd done.

[Deadly Messiah]

I didn't see any real characterization that didn't happen in the first movie. Mary Jane loves Peter, Peter loves MJ, she doesn't realize it, goes out with another guy only to come around at the end. Except for the new 'happy' ending, this happened in the first movie.
I can kind of understand that, but she didn't know why he refused to tell her.




Peter grapples with being both himself and Spider-Man, and just being Peter causes others to suffer. Not using his powers (even if couldn't) cost someone their life, just like Uncle Ben dying in the first movie.
The person in the fire had nothing to do with Peter though. IT was no one he knew, therefore nothing he could get all bent out about. He might not have even been there to save the child if he was busy doing other stuff as Spider-Man. Of course, this whole fire scene was way too much like the one from the first one. They should've tried something different.



Peter makes friends with a genius, whose experiment blows up in his face, turns him evil, he kidnaps MJ, beats the snot out of Spidey, he saves MJ, villain dies after getting a moment of clarity. This happened in the first movie.
Nearly all villains in comic series seem to have become villains due to experimental accidents. Lizard, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Doctor Doom, Mr Freeze, etc.


I didn't see any real character growth since the ending of SM1. And having Spidey unmasked to what could be dozens of people was pushing it. Does he honestly expect that many people to keep their mouth shut? Even if they don't know his name, they know his face. That's enough to recognize him walking down the street.
Actually I think that was pretty cool. I mean it is kind of hard to believe that a hero can constantly do stuff when saving people without getting thier cover blown at least once or twice. Besides, if a hero saved your life, would you want to reveal his identity?

[Tobias]

Actually I think that was pretty cool. I mean it is kind of hard to believe that a hero can constantly do stuff when saving people without getting thier cover blown at least once or twice. Besides, if a hero saved your life, would you want to reveal his identity?

An entire train of honest citizens? Even if the world of make believe, I don't buy an ENTIRE train of people knowing his face, without one trying to cash in on it, or trying to track down his real name for blackmail, etc.

[UberMonkey]

Ok, I just skimmed this thread but for those of you who think that the Green Goblin is the only villian for the next movie, I got some good news. Venom is going to be in. Just click on this page right here for all movies coming out relating to comic books. Just click Spider-Man 2 on the side. http://www.efavata.com/CBM/index.htm. This site is informative. And for my thoughts on the second movie. I saw it twice in under 24 hrs. I saw the midnight show and then the 645 show. This movie ws phenominal and one of the greatest. It has good humor and great fight scenes. The story was really awesome and it should get all 4 stars. It is one of the best Superhero movies ever
If you've seen the movie twice, I would hope you realize that the rumor is horribly false because it totally guessed the ending wrong.

I don't think they could handle Venom really well in just one movie. I don't really want to see him that much, and I'm glad Raimi says he's not interested. Plus, throwing aliens in to the mix might be a bit much for most movie-goers.

Anyways, I saw it yesterday, and it really was great. I was really kinda suprised by how much I was laughing at this movie (sometimes the humor was unitentional though - Doc Ock's slowed down groan for example). I sorta wish they did something with Rosie... I know it would've been cliche, but Spidey could've mentioned that what the tentacles have changed Octavius into is not something she would've liked. But it seems like she was just there to have a drawn out death scene. I guess Doc Ock did mourn her a bit. Still, seemed underused.

It felt a little strange that his identity was thrown around so loosely towards the end - even if the people on the train wouldn't really know who he was. Most of the revalations (y'know, to the bigger characters) were handled well, however.

It's good Aunt May likes Spider-Man, and her interactions with Peter were good, too. Peter's confession and her reaction were nice. Can't help but wonder if that hero speech was because she thinks Peter's a chicken after running away at the bank, though.

Well, I guess there's not really too much to say, a great summer movie, a great superhero movie. Nice touches all around, with only minor complaints. Definetely can't wait to see it again.

[TheEvilClown]

You know Multiple Villians don't really worked however Batman Returns IMO was pretty good even if it had two Villians in Catwoman and The Penguin. I think Spiderman 3 can pull off Two Villians if they just used The Lizard as a secondary Villian going on rampages and Spiderman trying to help him. Then we have the Green Goblin who is of course Harry trying to kill spiderman for killing his father.

In Future movies if they make anymore who knows. I was just playing SP2 the game and Mysterio in that game looks awesome IMO If they could show him in a movie I wonder how they would do it.

[Deadly Messiah]

An entire train of honest citizens? Even if the world of make believe, I don't buy an ENTIRE train of people knowing his face, without one trying to cash in on it, or trying to track down his real name for blackmail, etc.Perhaps, but the entire train did not see his face. It was really just that one car and the people in it.

Actually I was expecting someone to say "Hey, he is the guy that saved that kid in the fire the other day."

[randomguy]

Mediocre.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it on a lot of levels, and I'm certainly glad I saw it. But it's not the slam-dunk the first one was, and it's certainly not anywhere near the quality of X2. Speaking in skeletal terms, I don't think there's anything hugely wrong with it. Sometimes, you'll see a movie which is conceptually great, but full of small inconsistencies that drag the whole thing down. Generally, I can overlook the small problems, but when you get a movie where they really pile up, they can occasionally overwhelm the good stuff. Spider-Man 2 is such a film. Tiny oddities and filmmaking mistakes do add up, and it really hurts the movie in the long run.

For example, Matt mentioned Raimi's fondness for B-movie moments, and although I certainly have an appreciation for them (particularly in a comic book movie, which shouldn't take itself too seriously), they reach the point of utmost excess and cheesiness in this film. At one point, one guy in my party leaned over and said "there's way too much screaming in this movie". And by God, he's right. It never ends. May is screaming, MJ is screaming, Dock Ock's wife is screaming, random people are screaming... there's just a whole lot of screaming, and once it's been pointed out to you, it's crazy-glaring.

There's a lot of other little contrivances, too. MJ getting captured again had me rolling my eyes, Spider-Man stopping a train was a little much, Aunt May's bit with the cane was absurd, and Doc Ock's fusion experiment is a pointless MacGuffin that shouldn't have been used outside of the original accident. I hated the inspirational bit with the New Yorkers passing Spider-Man's body, although I was happy to see Raimi dispose with the "you'll have to get through me" cliche.

The big annoyance, though, was the way they played the whole "Spider-Man No More" bit. See, I think it was brilliant to have that as part of the movie. I was pleased beyond words that they decided to have the identity crisis. However, having Spidey lose his powers was just... dumb. Sorry, but Spider-Man doesn't just lose his powers, let alone for some stupid-ass reason like not believing in himself. They're genetic, they don't go away. It's just overkill, is all I'm saying. Having the identity crisis is enough. You don't need to go so far as to actually take away the powers, because that added absolutely nothing to the film, other then a truly kooky scene where Peter's doctor apparently knows he's Spider-Man.

Oh, and the elevator bit, which I will admit was hilarious.

The losing powers bit leads into big problem number two, which is that there's not enough Spider-Man in this Spider-Man film. The focus on Peter is smart, but I just didn't think there was enough web-slinging in this one. Hell, half the time he didn't even have his mask on.

A lot of the dialogue sounded annoyingly scripted, too. May's monologue about heroes is the kind of thing that's just ridiculously convenient. And I kind of miss Spider-Man being funny. He really only got one traditional Spidey one-liner in the whole flick, and it wasn't even a good one. Whoever wrote this, they forgot that a big part of Spidey's appeal, when he's in costume, is the humor. I missed that element a lot. It's just not as charming without it.

Still, everybody who's pointed out how awesome Dr. Octopus was is correct. They really nailed Doc Ock. Alfred Molina was perfect for the role, and the tentacles were enough to make a fanboy like me cry. They really captured the power that Octavius is supposed to convey. I think they could've handled Octopus' insanity thing a bit better, but still, I didn't have any major problems with the good doctor. Good work with him.

Although Kirsten looked better with the wig, I'm gonna break away with popular opinion and say that I thought MJ was more attractive in this film. She didn't look as super-modelly, which is always a plus in my book. She had some serious cuteness going on in her first scene at Peter's house. I wonder if the blonde was intended to be Gwen. It sure seemed like it.

Don't need to say how awesome JK Simmons is, because we all know.

The fights and effects were a huge improvement. The Spidey/Doc Ock battles are absolutely the best thing about this movie. I wish there were more.

The musical montage for powerless Peter was pretty funny. Nice music choice there.

I mean, when all is said and done, I enjoyed it, but it's just full of things that bug me, and it bogs the whole flick down. It's better than Daredevil or X-Men 1, but it's not up to the standards of the original film or X2. Still looking forward to the third one though, because I think the setup in this one is nice.

[JLU Dude]

I just came back from the theaters. It was excellent. I do have to argee that his powers waning was the results of his doubts and once Doc Ock kidnapped MJ, he got over those doubts and his powers started working normally again. Nice to hear the Doctor Strange reference and see the cameos by Willem Defoe and Cliff Robertson. Also glad to see the movie version of Peter and MJ together. I wonder what'll happen in the movie version of Harry dons the Goblin disguise.

[Deadly Messiah]

Cliff Robertson?

[Mynd Hed]

Randomguy pretty much summed up my thoughts (with ample reference to other posters in this thread, like Matt Wilson). It was fun, but it wasn't perfect and it was hardly the best superhero movie I've ever seen. It suffered from an overabundance of cheesy dialogue and not enough grade-A action (the only really spectacular action scene was the train fight, which was undeniably excellent). Raimi went waaaaay overboard with cheesy B-horror-movie shots. There was too much emphasis on the love plot-- yes, soap-opera-ish lovey stuff is an undeniable part of Spidey, but they could've covered it in a third of the screen time. It seemed like they spent three-quarters of the movie on setup and far too short a time on the payoff.
And sweet zombie Jeebus, what was up with Aunt May's oh-so-convenient, "Here's my speech about how you should be Spider-Man again, even though I'm not supposed to know you ever were Spider-Man" scene? Dumb, dumb-dumb dumb dumb DUMB!!!
Also, the whole "Mary Jane and Peter can never be together because it's too dangerous" argument wears kind of thin after the second villain in a row kidnaps her to get to Spidey through Peter. I mean, how can it possibly be any more dangerous for her to know why she's constantly getting nabbed than being in the dark about it?
It did have its high points. Besides the train scene mentioned above, Doc Ock's tentacles were wonderful, the CG as a whole was far more convincing than the video-game-cinematic fare that dominated the first one, Harry Osborne's descent into madness was elegantly portrayed (although how he can be so retarded as to not figure out that Peter is Spidey until he actually pulls off the mask is beyond me). All the little references for comic book geeks were neat, too.

Overall Grade: B-: Good, but no X-Men 2, or even Spider-Man 1.

[TheEvilClown]

J.K Simmons is awesome.

I liked the part where Peter asked if he could get paided in advanced and he just laughed. He really was one of the show stealers in that and he was the perfect casting when they casted him in the 1st one.

[Hurricane V1]

First off, I am really sorry about that Ultimate Spidey spoiler earlier, I was excited and avoiding sleep for too long.

That said, my friends and I had a crazy theory for the next movie's villians. What if JJ's son became Venom? He lost MJ to Peter and he's an astronaught right? The symbiote doesn't really need an alien origin either, like the way it's portrayed in Ultimate Spiderman. I think the first two Spidey movies show that creative liberties can be used quite well in the right hands. If the fans demand Venom enough, I say give them Venom in some form. Let the Lizard be taken down in the first ten minutes of the next movie and let the next Goblin and Venom star in the rest.

Just a couple thoughts.

[randomguy]

Unfortunately, I don't think Venom's happening. I know Raimi's not fond of him, and there really hasn't been anything suggested so far (of substance) to indicate that he would show up in Spider-Man 3.

Maybe when the franchise gets restarted in thirty years.

[ZorBrak]

And that black chick who yelled "Yeah! Go get 'em Spidey!" I was :rolleyes: my eyes at that one!
Go back and get a load of the similar scene in the world peace fest in the first one...it's even worse!

[Trogdor]

I thought it was spectacular! Doc Ock was done beautifully, and they made sure to pay attention to weight; His sides shifted rythmically as he walked, and he never lifted the arms with his own legs, because there's no way he could lift so much weight by himself. Which is the mistake they made in the old school comics :p I've never read them, I just know :shrug:

I think this one pulled a Shrek 2 and surpassed it's predicessor (sp?). Also, now that they've gotten past all the emotional, story building informative stuff, they'll get to all the real action in the next one! And I loved how they portrayed Harry learning about his father and the Goblin, and beginning to go a little crazy. My parents and older brother started clapping when that scene faded out :sweat: It was such a good closing scene, they thought it was the end of the movie :rolleyes:

Lesse, so far, Bruce Cambell (Ash from Evil Dead and Elvis from Bubba Hotep, for those of you who don't bother to memorize names) has been the ring anouncer in the first movie, and the ticket guy at the theater in this one, so whaddaya wanna bet he'll be in the next one, too? :D I hope so, he kicks ass. Also, did anyone ever notice that pretty much famous comedian Jim Norton appeared as one of the people talking about the early sightings of Spider Man in the first movie? I was just wondering 'cause I only just noticed it when I watched the DVD the other night. Anyway, it's fun how Stan Lee appears in all the movies that have to do with him; It's also fun how he only wants them to get him in a scen for about a half a second so you and your friends and family can play 'Spot Stan Lee' :anime: He was listed as 'Man Dodging Debris' in the credits :D

[ZorBrak]

Are you guys kidding me?:shrug:

*Sigh* Back on Topic

Uhh.. I'm betting Spider Man is gonna set SOME record because almost everyone who has seen it once plans to see it again.

On villians, I just don't see the Sinister Six working. It just seems like overkill. The Lizard seems like a step down, I mean to me. Like it could involve some cool sewer scenes but it'd be tough to top this film with the Lizard.

Venom is the best bet.

I can see it happening, with Harry's Goblin being the next villian, but not in a major way. Like Harry wouldn't be as good as his dad was and would be more easily defeated. The second movie introduced JJ's kid so that could lead to the next film featuring him returning or going to space. Either way with him returning with Symbiote which shortly drives Peter insane, during a battle with The Goblin or something, is rejected by Peter, finds the new side character..Eddie Brock.

Who becomes Venom, who goes looking for Peter who is dealing with the Goblin. Venom easily gets the Goblin out of the way as he wants Spider-Man to himself and an awesome battle begins. So it could happen....
Just check out my idea for it a few pages back. Here it is in a very small nutshell: Peter loses powers or they begin to dwindle again, talks with Conners, Harry gets multiple personality and schizophrenia "Norman" takes him over and attacks space shuttle kills JJ's son, symbiote bonds with spidey, jj does smear on spider so peter uses alien costume to solve the power loss/identity smear...and then after that anything could go but at least they should do that much in spidery 3...they could go with him then using the suit until the end of the movie when it leaves him. At this point Conners finds a way to help peter but then Venom comes along and kills Harry...hey it works and ya know it ;) damn I wanna write spidey 3 lol...or even if we don't want to have venom show up in 3 at least the alien costume...and i mean come on peopel NO SINSISTER SIX....batman taught us multiple villains suck...2 tops and only one major one if there are 2...GG being the major in part 3...but he needs to lose the power ranger suit.

[Conekiller]

Regarding some of (most of) Spidey's rouges gallery: most of them are glorified thugs with power. The Lizard (not as much) Vulture, Mysterio, Shcoker, Rhino, Kraven, Sandman, Electro. They're all pretty cool as pathetic swine who deicde to use their powers to make themselves rich , and for Spidey to whomp on.

But they're nowhere near what is needed for a serious villain. We need someone like the Goblins, like the Doc Ocks, someone like the Kingpin (who would be cool, but innapropriate in the next flick) to round up these thug-with-powers to really be something to fear. Spidey needs a mastermind to go agianst, someone who is not just a threat to Spiderman, MJ, and New York, but much more.
The Sinister Six, while cool on one level would reqire a good half hour of non-stop fighting , one-on-one for Spidey to be victorious. I really don't see it working.

If Raimi were to bow to fan demand and include venom in the next verison, it shoudln't HAVE to be an alien suit. They could take a page from the Ultimate books (whoch would alienate certain fans) and have it be scientifically based. Maybe Harry sends the new-fouind Goblin chemical to his R&D crew and they develop a "suit" out of it. Could be Harry, or even John Jameson, jealous at losing his fiancee to Spiderman.

and if harry wants to become the next goblin let's evolve to the Hobgoblin and give him some seriosuly evil looking tatterd capes and robes and stuff.

[Frank White]

Was anybody else waiting for MJ to say "Face it Tiger, you just hit the jackpot?"

(Even though its not in movie MJs character:rolleyes: )

Oh and another thing was I liked the cinematography in the scene where Harry finds the Goblin gear, especially when the camera zooms out and you just see the mask.:D

Oh and one more thing, wasn't it ironic that Dr."Ock" died by drowning, he he he:p

Oh yeah good movie and everything blah blah blah I just wanted to get something original in the thread.

[JLApe]

Did Doc Ock really die? :p Part of me isn't so sure.

And forget Kingpin. He's officially the property of Fox's Daredevil.

[Deadly Messiah]

Ok, what do you guys mean Venom was not an alien in the Ultimate Spider-Man series? What was his origin then?

[Chris Sanders MSX]

An entire train of honest citizens? Even if the world of make believe, I don't buy an ENTIRE train of people knowing his face, without one trying to cash in on it, or trying to track down his real name for blackmail, etc.
I said it before. Think about someone you know. You don't really know what they look like, but when you see them or something similar it all comes rushing back. Those people didn't know who Peter Parker was and would have had to go through alot to try to tell someone who he was. Peter isn't famous so it's not like they'd see him at some fund raiser or on TV and go "Thats Spider-Man". And as far as the camera phone some one mentioned.. At that moment would you pull out your phone? I don't think so. And as previously stated, the guy just saved their freaking lives. They aren't going to go out and try to ruin him.

And if they did it'd go like this.

I KNOW what Spider-Man looks like!:evil:
Really?:eek:
Yeah! He's white and has brown hair and blue eyes and a pointy nose.
You mean to tell me your cousin Tom is Spider-Man? Or our neighbor? Or the kids dentist ?!:eek:
Uh.. Yeah.:sweat:

Peter is average looking and them seeing him wouldn't make a difference even if they were all not so honest people.

[staticblue]

and if harry wants to become the next goblin let's evolve to the Hobgoblin and give him some seriosuly evil looking tatterd capes and robes and stuff.[/QUOTE]

Thank you! Thats what ive been suggesting, I actually think that The first green goblin costume could have been perfect if he had a tattered robe covering the body. The mask was excellent. It was the best part of the entire outfit. So I think harry needs to spraypaint his daddys mask orange, get trained up on how to use that glider, call himself hobgoblin, or even better, take too much of his dads serum, get ingredibly psycho or whatever,(physical changes?) and call himself demogoblin, and go nuts in spidey 3

[Nick K.]

J.K Simmons is awesome.

I liked the part where Peter asked if he could get paided in advanced and he just laughed. He really was one of the show stealers in that and he was the perfect casting when they casted him in the 1st one.

Check him out on Oz. He's even better on that.

[Hurricane V1]

I thought it was spectacular! Doc Ock was done beautifully, and they made sure to pay attention to weight; His sides shifted rythmically as he walked, and he never lifted the arms with his own legs, because there's no way he could lift so much weight by himself. Which is the mistake they made in the old school comics :p I've never read them, I just know :shrug:
Um, I believe Doc Ock was walking with his legs when he first escaped the hospital. You know, right before he flipped the taxi cab, I believe all four arms were hovering above his head.



If Raimi were to bow to fan demand and include venom in the next verison, it shoudln't HAVE to be an alien suit. They could take a page from the Ultimate books (whoch would alienate certain fans) and have it be scientifically based. Maybe Harry sends the new-fouind Goblin chemical to his R&D crew and they develop a "suit" out of it. Could be Harry, or even John Jameson, jealous at losing his fiancee to Spiderman.
ARGH, that's what I said just a few posts above you! Curse you! On second thought, never mind, I can't be mad at a fellow One Piece fan.

[Animelee]

I had a cold while watching this movie, yet I still enjoyed it immensly -- more than any other live-action film I've ever seen! This movie, along with the first Spider-man movie, are easily the best live-action films I've ever seen! *Nods* I don't know how they'll be able to top this with Spider-man 3!

I'd say more, but everyone else praising the film's said it for me. :D

[Mike Spartz]

if a hero saved your life, would you want to reveal his identity?
If I knew I could cash in on it, probably yes.

[Nick K.]

If I knew I could cash in on it, probably yes.

Well, they saw his face, but could anyone associate it to Parker?

[creeper]

I doubt the people on the train are worthless human beings like the rest of us. Besides, why can't we look for some redeeming value in people. The one place we should be able to find it is a comic book movie. So i doubt any of the people will tell.

[kaine23]

The train scene was a way for the people carrying him to know Spider-Man was a real person jus tlike them, only a college kid risking his own life to save them.

[TheEvilClown]

Folks for god damn shakes don't let them ruin the comic. I mean yeah sure I would love the Hobgoblin to appear more than the Green Goblin again but Harry was Never and I mean Never the Hobgoblin so don't make him it. Don't make JJ Venom if you want JJ to be a villian turn him into Man-Wolf because that was the Villian he turned into.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

I said it before. Think about someone you know. You don't really know what they look like, but when you see them or something similar it all comes rushing back. Those people didn't know who Peter Parker was and would have had to go through alot to try to tell someone who he was. Peter isn't famous so it's not like they'd see him at some fund raiser or on TV and go "Thats Spider-Man". And as far as the camera phone some one mentioned.. At that moment would you pull out your phone? I don't think so. And as previously stated, the guy just saved their freaking lives. They aren't going to go out and try to ruin him.

And if they did it'd go like this.

I KNOW what Spider-Man looks like!:evil:
Really?:eek:
Yeah! He's white and has brown hair and blue eyes and a pointy nose.
You mean to tell me your cousin Tom is Spider-Man? Or our neighbor? Or the kids dentist ?!:eek:
Uh.. Yeah.:sweat:

Peter is average looking and them seeing him wouldn't make a difference even if they were all not so honest people.
Thats for all those who keep bringing up cashing in on what Spider-Man looks like. It's almost impossible anyway and wouldn't do much.

Spontaneous Mike even after knowing that his identity protects people he loves more than himself, you'd still try to cash in on it? Thats a little sick. I mean the guy just saved your frigging life. The least you could do is hold your beak.

[Mike Spartz]

Thats for all those who keep bringing up cashing in on what Spider-Man looks like. It's almost impossible anyway and wouldn't do much.

Spontaneous Mike even after knowing that his identity protects people he loves more than himself, you'd still try to cash in on it? Thats a little sick. I mean the guy just saved your frigging life. The least you could do is hold your beak.
I'm not nice, but calling me sick is an offensive remark. In the real world, there are always be people who'll put cash over dignity and I'm just being honest about what I'd do.

[Conekiller]

I'm not nice, but calling me sick is an offensive remark. In the real world, there are always be people who'll put cash over dignity and I'm just being honest about what I'd do.If you were on that train and convinced that you were a few seconds from dying you're telling me you'd be in the right mind to whip out a camera/cell phone just to tag Spiderman? I'd be to ratteld to even do that, regardless of personal motivations.


In regards to staying 100% faithful to the comics: It's not gonna happen, see the Green Goblin in the first movie. hell, Peter was supposed to have Gwen Satcey as a g/f before MJ and .....well, we al know what happened there. My point is they've already strayed form the original source, but they're taking waht was cool in the comic and making it cooler/feasible within a more realistic/beleivable movie world.

My suggestion to turn John Jameson into the Venom was purley made by using the caracters and situations and motivations given to us in the second movie.

[Mike Spartz]

If you were on that train and convinced that you were a few seconds from dying you're telling me you'd be in the right mind to whip out a camera/cell phone just to tag Spiderman? I'd be to ratteld to even do that, regardless of personal motivations.


In regards to staying 100% faithful to the comics: It's not gonna happen, see the Green Goblin in the first movie. hell, Peter was supposed to have Gwen Satcey as a g/f before MJ and .....well, we al know what happened there. My point is they've already strayed form the original source, but they're taking waht was cool in the comic and making it cooler/feasible within a more realistic/beleivable movie world.

My suggestion to turn John Jameson into the Venom was purley made by using the caracters and situations and motivations given to us in the second movie.
If I managed to get a picture of Spidey unmasked. I'd definately sell it to the media, it'd make for some great scandel.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

I'm not nice, but calling me sick is an offensive remark. In the real world, there are always be people who'll put cash over dignity and I'm just being honest about what I'd do.
No offense meant but we both know what you'd do is sick. Your putting other peoples lives in jepordy for your personal gain. Your honest about what you'd do, so accept the label that would come with it. But it's okay cause odds are if you pulled out your camera some one would either a)punch you and take your phone or camera breaking it or b)going off on you and then taking it away from you for your lack of respect for someone who just saved your life.

I've read enough comics to know.:D

[Mike Spartz]

But it's okay cause odds are if you pulled out your camera some one would either a)punch you and take your phone or camera breaking it or b)going off on you and then taking it away from you for your lack of respect for someone who just saved your life.

I've read enough comics to know.:DI'm guessing that someone would be you?

Anyway, I probably wouldn't even thank Spidey for saving me because that would mean going against my label.

Sorry, this next bit is off topic

I'm kinda like Snape from Harry Potter, I don't want to be saved by anyone other than myself. So if someone saved my life, I'd consider it an insult and I'd loathe that person because I owe him/her a life debt.

I'm not a nice person; I'm a realist. If an opportunity presents itself that can make me richer and more powerful, I'll take it. I think for myself first on most occasions and I'll sell people out if I know I can get away with it. I'm not here to make friends nor is it my goal to offend other posters. My sore purpose is to use this place to relax and gain insight into other peoples opinions and feelings. But I'll be honest with every statement I make and if you don't like it, please talk to me first and be honest about how you feel. Trusting me to always do the "right thing" for someone else would be a mistake.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

I'm guessing that someone would be you?

Anyway, I probably wouldn't even thank Spidey for saving me because that would mean going against my label.

Sorry, this next bit is off topic

I'm kinda like Snape from Harry Potter, I don't want to be saved by anyone other than myself. So if someone saved my life, I'd consider it an insult and I'd loathe that person because I owe him/her a life debt.

I'm not a nice person; I'm a realist. If an opportunity presents itself that can make me richer and more powerful, I'll take it. I think for myself first on most occasions and I'll sell people out if I know I can get away with it. I'm not here to make friends nor is it my goal to offend other posters. My sore purpose is to use this place to relax and gain insight into other peoples opinions and feelings. But I'll be honest with every statement I make and if you don't like it, please talk to me first and be honest about how you feel. Trusting me to always do the "right thing" for someone else would be a mistake.
Haha Okay. :D I'm just saying you shouldn't of been surprised when I called you sick then. Someone like you shouldn't be insulted by such remarks. Ha. I can defeinetly tell your a RPer (your wrestling fed). I used to be in one back in the day and sometimes my character spilled over but that was me. I'm getting off topic though. Although this does bring about an interesting question.:evil: More on that later.

Does anyone know where I can find the current box office gross for the movie?

[Youko Minamino]

There is no way Venom will be in 3. I mean, first of all Raimi(sp?) hates CGI use from what has been said, and would rather have the fighting done with real people, but that's not even the real trouble. The trouble comes with having the writers come up with a method in order for Venom to "lose" to Spidey in the end, unless they take Kirsten Dunst's idea and kill Spiderman in Spiderman3, but that's doubtful, and somewhat predictable. But I'd definately rather see a Green Goblin/The Lizard team up. Though I'm not partial to the actor who played Doc Connors, to do nothing with the character would be ludicrous. A Goblin/Lizard team up would definately be the best possible option up to date. Especially since, like with X-Men, the cast isn't signed up to no further than Spiderman 3, so they should think about Venom and doing things for the fans more so with the possibility of the 4th.

[JLApe]

The tally of people who know Spidey's identity:
1. Doc Ock
2. Harry Osborn
3. MJ
4. Aunt May? (I believe she suspects. The way she worded the "Hero" speech seem to imply she at least suspects.)

My wife thinks Joe Robertson suspects (if he hasn't figure it out) from the way he saw Peter respond when Jameson asks Peter what happened to Spide-Man. But I don't believe so.

[Nick K.]

The tally of people who know Spidey's identity:
1. Doc Ock
2. Harry Osborn
3. MJ
4. Aunt May? (I believe she suspects. The way she worded the "Hero" speech seem to imply she at least suspects.)

My wife thinks Joe Robertson suspects (if he hasn't figure it out) from the way he saw Peter respond when Jameson asks Peter what happened to Spide-Man. But I don't believe so.

Don't forget Norman Osborn. ;)

[Colin]

Don't forget Norman Osborn. ;)
Though, for all intents and purposes, two of those names on the list are dead... so really, if we're gonna do that, we can say that Uncle Ben knows Pete is Spidey :D (even if it's just a way for Pete to channel himself and think things through...sort of like a "spirit guide" type thingy, if you will)

[Spongebrain2.0]

And all those people on the subway/train he saved!;)

[Nick K.]

Though, for all intents and purposes, two of those names on the list are dead... so really, if we're gonna do that, we can say that Uncle Ben knows Pete is Spidey :D (even if it's just a way for Pete to channel himself and think things through...sort of like a "spirit guide" type thingy, if you will)

But Ben never knew when he was alive, so he doesn't count.

And as for the people on the train, like I said before, they may not associate him with Parker. Millions of People live in NY. Some 30 people see him, bu t they may not know who he is. There are millions of other people in the city and Peter isn't famous.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

THAT WAS AMAZINING [SPIDER-MAN]

A huge step up from the first. Less campy in the fight scenes by far but still had that good camp in other scenes.

The Spider powers issue could bring up the Man Spider if there is another set of movies after the first 3.

Crap man, it broke all the rules of a Super Hero movie. MJ knows, Harry knows, and chances are (as hinted) Aunt May knows (but she wont say she does).

I knew the second I saw Octavius wife that she would die durring the demonstration... it kinda makes me sad that they put that in. He never had a wife in the old cartoons or in the comics (I believe) and they also didn't delevop her death as something that Oto was really mad about (a reason for revenge) but that's a good thing in a way because it would have been rather cliche.

The fight scenes were fantastic. They beat the pants off of every fights scene in the first movie. Doc Ock was brutal the whole time.

The train scene was unbelievable. I've never read or seen Spider-Man stop a train it was a brilliant thing to throw in.

The humor was also a step up from the last movie because it was far less forced and the 20 dollars joke is a classic that was well used.

The effects blow the first movie away as well.

Dr. Connors could be a bigger player in the third but was he missing an arm (like he's suppose to be?), I couldn't tell. Also... if the MTV Spider-Man really is between these two movies than there would be no reason to bring up the Lizard since he already had his conflict (though he could have a relapse like some many other times).

It might have been nice to have the another villian on top of Doc Ock but the inner turmoil was villian enough and obviously if they had two villians than this movie would probably have turned out feeling shallow.

We all know Harry as the GB2 or possibly the Hobgoblin will be part of the next movie but I like the idea of Venom being the main villian. Using the black Spider-Man accidently killing or nearly killing Harry would be perfect incident to make Spider-Man reject the suit... and adding a wedding for MJ and Peter might over crowd things but it would be a good use of GB (like in the cartoon he could snatch MJ durring the cermony which would put Pete over the edge even without the costume).

I can't wait for the 3rd now and I'm all over going to see this one at least one or two more times (I saw the first 3 times in the theatre) and it will be added to my collection the day it comes out on DVD (just like the first).

I have to agree with the critics. This IS the best Super Hero movie I have ever seen. It had everything and it had it in spades.

Rock on Spider-Man!

[Haruhara]

I HAD to take my little brother to see it wednesday. It was okay I suppose. IMHO, Alfred Molina is a HORRIBLE actor. I was almost embrassed for him in the fighting scenes. Was the landlords daughter a part of the comic? O_o;

so ya...overall i am undecided..

[Nick K.]

I HAD to take my little brother to see it wednesday. It was okay I suppose. IMHO, Alfred Molina is a HORRIBLE actor. I was almost embrassed for him in the fighting scenes. Was the landlords daughter a part of the comic? O_o;

so ya...overall i am undecided..

:eek: ... What is so horrible about Molina?

[Chris Sanders MSX]

I HAD to take my little brother to see it wednesday. It was okay I suppose. IMHO, Alfred Molina is a HORRIBLE actor. I was almost embrassed for him in the fighting scenes. Was the landlords daughter a part of the comic? O_o;

so ya...overall i am undecided..
No Comment on Molina but no the landlord's daughter was not in the comic. A lot of us think she was a homage to Gwen Stacy, the girl Peter dated in the comics that was killed by the Green Goblin.

[Buddy Lee]

*** out of ****

I saw it Monday at a special sneak preview and just saw it again. It is one of the better comic book adaptations of all time and far exceeded its predecessor. Just below Richard Donner's 1978 "Superman The Movie" and Bryan Singer's "X2".

The action sequences were better, the CGI looked much better, the acting was solid, and the humor was even funnier. I just had a problem with Spider-Man removing his mask every 2 minutes. I think someone really needs to have a talk with Peter Parker about the concept of "secret identity".

I rather liked Tobey Maguire's understated acting approach to Peter Parker/Spider-Man, J.K. Simmons was the scene-stealer, and Alfred Molina was brilliant as the villain, who didn't have to rely on scenery-chewing, twirling of the mustache type of cartoon villainy we have come to see in movies like "Batman Forever" or "Batman and Robin".

Does anyone else think Lindsay Lohan would have been a better choice for Mary Jane Watson? Anyway, I am looking forward to 2007 for "Spider-Man 3" and hoping to see either Venom, Hobgoblin, or the Scorpion (one of my personal fav from Spidey's Rogues Gallery).

[creeper]

I HAD to take my little brother to see it wednesday. It was okay I suppose. IMHO, Alfred Molina is a HORRIBLE actor. I was almost embrassed for him in the fighting scenes. Was the landlords daughter a part of the comic? O_o;

so ya...overall i am undecided..
What about Alfred Molina did you find Horrible?

[Chris Sanders MSX]

Does anyone else think Lindsay Lohan would have been a better choice for Mary Jane Watson? Anyway, I am looking forward to 2007 for "Spider-Man 3" and hoping to see either Venom, Hobgoblin, or the Scorpion (one of my personal fav from Spidey's Rogues Gallery).
Thats creepy. Haha. She 's not and doesn't look old enough for the role. I will forever proclaim Nikki Cox the true MJ!:p

[ZorBrak]

Thats creepy. Haha. She 's not and doesn't look old enough for the role. I will forever proclaim Nikki Cox the true MJ!:p
...Dina Meyer if she were younger

[JonnyQuest]

This movie is AMAZING !!!!! I saw it last night and I was, well amazed by how good the movie was, loved Alfred Molina as Doc Ock, and I'm looking forward to the third one, that will hopefully include Harry Osborn :)

I'm seeing this one again....

[SirLemming]

What a wonderful movie this was. The first one was great, but this one was nearly flawless.

I was really surprised how many people learned his true identity, but it was cool because it hasn't been done before and it made sense. There was a good chance that nobody on the train would recognize Peter Parker. If he didn't reveal himself to Doctor Octopus, the city might've been destroyed. And he didn't quite reveal himself to Aunt May, but I think after he talked to her about what happened when Uncle Ben died, the idea of him being Spider-Man made even more sense to her. And that was necessary for Peter to do, because despite the danger she's put in by knowing who Spider-Man is, the guilt she felt over Ben's death was already a much worse fate than anything any villain could do to her.
And although he didn't mean to reveal himself to Mary Jane, I really like what happened with that. I really thought they were going to wind up living semi-unhappily ever after, especially after all that talk about having to give up your dreams. And it seemed too late for a twist. But then when the bridesmaid walked down the aisle with that note, and Mary Jane told Peter Parker to let her make this decision for once, it was a moment worthy of many cheers.

The movie overall was less cheesy than the first, even though it never bothered me much. Doctor Octopus was a better villain than Green Goblin, and the artificial intelligence of the arms was a good explanation for why he acted so crazy. He's hardly a classic movie villain, but that's only because the movie couldn't afford to focus too much on a villain. The real conflict was between Peter Parker and Spider-Man.

[screw on head]

Well, this definately surpassed the first movie, easily one of the best superhero movies of all time. Though, it didn't beat out X2 for me, but it was still a well worthy follow up.

Ooh, I love the combination of that Marvel logo and the opening music before the credits, really got me excited. I'm surprised how true Alex Ross kept to his style, those paintings didn't look as dolled up as I thought they'd be. They were gorgeous though, hope he was payed a king's ransom for that. I really, really loved that fade between Ross's painting of Mary Jane, and the fade to the real Kirstin Dunst: beautiful, seemless transition, worked wonderfully. I wondered if Alex had to trace a photo of her, he's very capable of getting her exactly right, so I'll be awaiting his comment on that one...

I loved that Peter's a pizza boy, and he inevitably has to deliver pizzas via web slinging, awesome idea. They sent across the "You're late" message pretty well, sending it home that poor ol' Peter's slacking.

Alfred Molina was perfect as Doc Ock, couldn't cast anyone better than him. He has the perfect build, reminds me of a 50's weight lifter, and that's a very good thing. Molina has a great voice and presense, and delivered his lines with just the right amount of confidence. In the experiment scene, seeing him first walk off that platform was a trip, because it really looked like he was carrying the tentacles on his back. The "Synaptic Inhibitor" and all that worked well, they didn't really sell me on the practicality in using the arms to mainstain the sphere, but hey, it worked well enough where I went along with it. That whole accident scene was directed perfectly, everything moved the way it should have.

For my money, I wouldn't have had the operating scene directed any other way, I loved it to death and then some, thought it worked like gang busters. I don't see that direction as campy, I see it as very unique with Sam's approach and it was just oozing with style. I love that he indulged in the arms' attack on the doctors, he went for it and I really loved all of it, even the woman's finging nails actually graiting the floor. Honestly, it's one of my favorite parts of the movie, just awesome.

I thought the elevator scene was hilarious for some reason. They really milked it for as long as they could, just in doing that and staying with it, it was very funny. They really alotted the most amount of time to it just before it got too absurd.

Honestly, I enjoyed the fight at the bank and ensuing fight on the building more than the one later on that follows it on the train. I was very surprised how well they handled Ock robbing a bank, it just felt right. It was so much fun to watch, loved it all the way.

It's really weird seeing that Butler's Goodbye scene with Harry and Doc Ock later arrival in the context of the movie. I saw this clip at Wizard Con, and thought it was awefully campy. But in the framework of the film, it really works well. Raimi's got quite the approach.

Peter's abstainance from the Spidey costume worked really well. Wasn't boring at all, I was actually into that whole stretch. I love that humbling mention about the person that died on the fifth floor of the burning building, just after Peter had saved that little girl on the second floor. I loved that scene where Peter is standing in front of the damaged Cafe, just after Doc Ock barged in and kidnapped MJ. That played out really well, especially that Raimi shot of Peter staring down, clenching his fist.

I wasn't too crazy about the 3 o'clock fight. It looked gorgeous, but I wasn't too floored by it. Peter stopping the train was a bit much, but I'm surprised how well they pulled it off. I loved the time and cared devoted to the people helping Peter get his bearings. I love the mood there, where he could trust all of them, and that they're genuinely nice people, and no one flashed a camera or pulled a ransom on him. I too loved Doc Ock's "parting of the sea" to get to Peter through the crowd, really nicely done.

Harry's whole realization about Pete was well done, no complaints there. I can't say I didn't consider Harry having hallucinations, but seeing his father again was fun. And then Harry breaking the mirror and seeing his discovery, that was great stuff.

The Spidey stopping Doc Ock from activating the device scene didn't fly with me. It all worked really well, but my interest wasn't invested in all of it. Great stuff, but it just didn't pack a punch. I didn't like that I focused more on stopping that device than being interested in how Peter and Dr. Octavious's relationship and conflict would be resolved. I like how Doc Ock went out though :-/ .

The ending was nice and happy, I really enjoyed. I thought for a second we might see a second villain's arrival, but I like how it all ended. I loved the look of MJ running to Pete's apartment, with the heavenly white glow. I like that whole moment with Pete and MJ, great for him. I loved the web sling at the end, spectacular stuff. I thought the choppers flying along Peter was a great touch. They've supplied enough characters and enough establishing moments to go in any direction they want with future sequels. They could have a man go on the moon and come back with something nasty. We could see a slitherin' scientist. A second tier Green Gobby. I love the possibilites they've established, can't wait for the next movie...

[Barb Gordon]

Wow!!!!!
I just, yeah, wow. I haven't had a chance to read the eight pages of comments, gah, so I really don't want to repeat any great sum ups others have already written. For now, I'll just say that movie was just so insanely fantastic. Again and again am awed and excited and thrilled that a comic book movie has been done so incredibly well...everything a comic book put to film should be. It makes me happy just to love comics in general to see it done just so right...and makes me yearn even more for other directors and writers for other comic heroes to take the lessons Spiderman gives them and actually use them to make their own great movies.
I never thought a comic book movie sequel could be so great, as great as the first! I can't believe how much happened in this one, as I try to recall it all, a heck of a lot of major scenes...and all done so well. I cannot wait till the chance to see this movie again, it was such a treat. Spiderman 2 just rocked it all.

~Barb

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

Best. Superhero movie. EVER

Anyway want to tell me the name of the song in the ending credits I've got to hear it again immediately!

[Daredevil_2003]

Best. Superhero movie. EVER

Anyway want to tell me the name of the song in the ending credits I've got to hear it again immediately!That would be "Vindicated" by Dashboard Confessional.

[Joker85]

Wow! What can I say that probably hasn't already been said in 8 pages? It was awesome! And I thought no comic book sequel could match X2, but boy was I wrong! I loved the story, and the acting was superb. Both James Franco and Kirsten Dunst seemed to be more comfortable in their roles. It was also a pleasant surprise to see cameos from Uncle Ben and Norman. Alfred Molina was perfect as Doc Ock. The special effects were better this time around, and I can't think of anything about it that disappointed me. oh, and it was cool to see Bruce Campbell back as the Usher.:D And set up for sequel much? Can't wait to see Spider-Man 3, but for now I'll settle for seeing this one a couple more times.

[AF$]

Alfred Molina was amazing in this, anyone who thinks otherwise is delirious.

[Batmex]

Just saw it myself:

AMAZING!!

Everything was well balanced and handled, Peter's problems with his dual identity.

Molina rocks!

"Harry and the chamber of secrets" no pun intended:D hope he develops a better costume for part 3 tough. it will be interesting to see what happens to him with so many crushing revelations hitting him at once.

[Daredevil_2003]

Just saw it myself:

AMAZING!!

Everything was well balanced and handled, Peter's problems with his dual identity.

Molina rocks!

"Harry and the chamber of secrets" no pun intended:D hope he develops a better costume for part 3 tough. it will be interesting to see what happens to him with so many crushing revelations hitting him at once.I think we already know what happens to him. He's turned into a delusional, schizophrenic, psychopath. The real question is: what will he do about these new things he knows?

[Batmex]

I think we already know what happens to him. He's turned into a delusional, schizophrenic, psychopath. The real question is: what will he do about these new things he knows?
Oopss sorry I meant that. :D

[ZorBrak]

My only gripe is the same one I had in the first one...he needs to be more of a smart ass in costume. "Nice suit...your husband make that for you?" THAT was great...and after hearing that I expected many more good spidey quotes in the movies...but it was basically the only one...SPIDER-MAN IS A SMART ASS SAM!..aside from that the movies are near perfect.

[Patrick Bateman]

My only gripe is the same one I had in the first one...he needs to be more of a smart ass in costume. "Nice suit...your husband make that for you?" THAT was great...and after hearing that I expected many more good spidey quotes in the movies...but it was basically the only one...SPIDER-MAN IS A SMART ASS SAM!..aside from that the movies are near perfect.I tend to agree. I hope the lack of wisecracks in the 2 films so far have been because Peter's mind was wrapped around so many things. But now, his big cares have been lifted. By the end of the second film, everything that'd been making him so broody and down in the dumps had been vanquished, and you could tell by his "Woohoo!"'s as he swung away just before the credits. So by movie 3, maybe he'll have his confidence and witty remarks. *crosses fingers*

[Daredevil_2003]

I tend to agree. I hope the lack of wisecracks in the 2 films so far have been because Peter's mind was wrapped around so many things. But now, his big cares have been lifted. By the end of the second film, everything that'd been making him so broody and down in the dumps had been vanquished, and you could tell by his "Woohoo!"'s as he swung away just before the credits. So by movie 3, maybe he'll have his confidence and witty remarks. *crosses fingers*I agree wholeheartedly, I want more smartass remarks in 3! :bosko:

[Viper]

I absolutely loved it!!!!:D

The special effects and graphics were superb! They really outdid themselves for this!:D

I'm so glad Tobey & director Sam patched up their little spat. I'm not sure if the movie would've been the same without him.

Also, nice plot twist at the end between Harry and the ghost of his father. Too bad the third one won't be 'til 2007.

Great movie! 5 Spidey stars all the way!:D

[wrenchien]

Thats for all those who keep bringing up cashing in on what Spider-Man looks like. It's almost impossible anyway and wouldn't do much.

Spontaneous Mike even after knowing that his identity protects people he loves more than himself, you'd still try to cash in on it? Thats a little sick. I mean the guy just saved your frigging life. The least you could do is hold your beak.

hold your beak.. i'll have to remember that one!!

[Batmex]

It was sweet to see a Aunt May get a piece of the action.

The people at the theatre cheered aunt May when she smacked Doc Ock with her umbrela.:D

[Chosen Raven]

The best live action movie I've ever seen. Period. I do have some very minor nitpicks though. Certain overly campy scenes. Namely a few too many close-ups of screaming faces, Doc Ock holding his hands up in the air while ranting, and especially Mary Jane's slow-motion running at the end.

Otherwise, this movie was superb. Molina was a great Doc Ock. The special effects were amazing. The fight scenes were the best action sequences I've ever scene. And the overall feel and tone of the movie was just...perfect. We, as comic book fans, really lucked out getting Sam Raimi to direct the Spider-Man movies.

Personally, I'm really hoping the Lizard is in the next movie. He's my favorite classic Spider-Man villian. I hope it's the smarter version of the Lizard, though. To do this, they're going to have to forget having the Spider-Man animated series be in continuity. I'm all for that, especially since it didn't feel like it was in continuity in the first place.

[B.W.H.]

I'm going to have to go aganistv popular opinon and say this was a step down from the first one. First the overuse of B Movie shots once is enough in any type of movie seriously the close-up of Peter's face as he was trying to stop the train made me want to gough my eyes out, also all the screaming faces and thump thump scenes terrible as well. Acting was good for the most part except for a couple of scenes with Mcguire and Molina especially the no after Doc escaped the hospital. Also some scenes didnt flow very well into each other. CGI was mediocre. Humor was good especially the asian women on the violin playing the 67 theme. Overall I give it a C-.

[Knight]

Saw Spiderman 2 today good movie, great special effects and a pretty nice story.

The only this that really annoyed me was the whole Mary J/ Peter love thing and the fact that one person can have so much bad luck. Pete literally walks around with a black cloud over his head and it started becoming predictable that something bad was going to happen to him.

Also Spiderman stopping that train seemed a little out of his strength range. If he can do that he should be knocking people out with one punch.

Anyway I know 3 will be coming soon so here's looking on to that one.

[MattThomasM2B]

I just saw Spider-man 2. I didn't read the rest of the thread so apologies if I'm treading on old ground. The following is what I posted on the Superhero Hype! boards right after getting home:

I'm not going to waste time setting up a mood or mincing words. I just saw the movie and what I think is that 'heroic' bystanders stink. Back in 2002, 9/11 was still a fresh wound for a lot of people and I could tolerate it when the Green Goblin let himself get junk thrown at him by people whom he should've just nuked with the same bombs he used on those people in Times Square.

But now it's 2004 and I expect my heroes to be heroes and not have to always get saved by a bunch of nobodies. Yeah yeah everybody is a hero, thank you for the self motivation. Now get over it.

Of course what I'm refering to is the scene where Spider-man stops the train, gets saved from falling by the passengers, gets carried across the subway with his mask off by the people like he's a christ figure and gets told by the people that nobody, no matter how much money they would be swimming in to spill the beans, will tell who he is. Oh, and some kids just magically catch the mask that he threw off. At this rate the movie verse will be like the Ultimate verse, with everybody and their dog knowing.

But I digress. I consider the subway bystander scene corny and unrealistic and hope that nothing like it ever happens in 3. The only part I enjoyed about that part was when Doc Ock burst into the train, the people started saying that they'll protect Spider-man and Ock smacked them aside like the fools they were.

Okay, now I'm done venting.

[Nick K.]

I just saw Spider-man 2. I didn't read the rest of the thread so apologies if I'm treading on old ground. The following is what I posted on the Superhero Hype! boards right after getting home:

I'm not going to waste time setting up a mood or mincing words. I just saw the movie and what I think is that 'heroic' bystanders stink. Back in 2002, 9/11 was still a fresh wound for a lot of people and I could tolerate it when the Green Goblin let himself get junk thrown at him by people whom he should've just nuked with the same bombs he used on those people in Times Square.

But now it's 2004 and I expect my heroes to be heroes and not have to always get saved by a bunch of nobodies. Yeah yeah everybody is a hero, thank you for the self motivation. Now get over it.

Of course what I'm refering to is the scene where Spider-man stops the train, gets saved from falling by the passengers, gets carried across the subway with his mask off by the people like he's a christ figure and gets told by the people that nobody, no matter how much money they would be swimming in to spill the beans, will tell who he is. Oh, and some kids just magically catch the mask that he threw off. At this rate the movie verse will be like the Ultimate verse, with everybody and their dog knowing.

But I digress. I consider the subway bystander scene corny and unrealistic and hope that nothing like it ever happens in 3. The only part I enjoyed about that part was when Doc Ock burst into the train, the people started saying that they'll protect Spider-man and Ock smacked them aside like the fools they were.

Okay, now I'm done venting.

That's what New Yorkers do... Where are you from?

I said this before, but you said you didn't read through...

Just because they saw Spider-Man w/out his mask doesn't mean they can associate that face to Peter Parker. There are millions living in New York. He is one in a million, and not famous or anything like that. He goes to school and takes pictures of Spider-Man. He's not all over the place. Plus, they saw his face for about 5 - 7 minutes. They may or may not remember what he looks like after a while.

[Wounded_Dragon]

A) Any one of them would need the resources of a good sketch artist to even think of cashing in. How many average New Yorkers have access?

B) Witnesses can vary widely. His build, his feature. Someone may notice his eyes but not his hair. Perception is a funny thing.

C) He did just save their lives

Now, if Harry didn't know, he could probably have found out with Oscorp resources used on the incident. But he doesn't need to.

The scene was necessary. The whole movie was about an identity crisis (unlike the first one, which was establishing an identity). The wear of family, friends, and society was grinding him down. Those pillars needed to be rebuilty. His relationship with Aunt May was renewed. His love for Mary Jane was fully realized (both aware, not just one sided). And despite the damage the Bugle does to his character, New Yorkers still believe in him.

The rehashing of his power scenes was important. This was about him, not his abilities. For example, despite lacking powers, he runs into the burning building. He comes to understand that at the core, Spider-Man isn't the powers, it's him. His responsibility, his duty. The rehashed scenes show that *he* makes the choice this time.

Until they drag the harbor and show me Doc Ock's body, I won't believe he's dead. And since it's a comic book movie, maybe not even then.

Maybe it's because of the Spider-Man marathon on Toon Disney/ABCFamily, but I could see Man-Spider showing up. The powers messing up could bring up some genetic stuff, so we could have the Lizard too. Maybe the Hobgoblin. And to appease the fans, they could set up a second trilogy that Venom could be in with however Spider-Man's powers are stablized.

I disagree on multiple villains. It *could* work, but only if it's clear who's the real villain. Which we have the perfect model for: Harry. Not as a Goblin necessarily, but as a man of wealth waging a vendetta. He could use his money to cause situations that would make Peter's life hell.

[Marvel_Knight]

Oh yeah. I just saw this for the second time. It wasn't as good as the first [time] but it was still really good. I happened to really like the score a lot. I laughed at Peter's geekiness (in some scenes) and still awed at the Spidey/Ock scenes. I was on the look out for things I hadn't noticed the first time. Didn't really find anything. I tried to make out what was in the reflection of the door next to MJ in the last part. In the immortal words of Peter Parker, "I'm back! I'm back!" Ain't that the truth.

[Behonkiss]

Just got back, and I'm happy.

The first movie's strength over other superhero flicks was the same as the comic: Peter's struggles really add to his character and let you feel for him. The scene at the planetarium where everything imaginable goes wrong was heartbreaking.

Sam Raimi is really good at casting villains, because Alfred Molina was excellent. Like Willem Defoe, he had a lot of fun and really got into his role. It also helps that he actually looks like Octavius. (And I agree that he should have appeared more.)

I for one liked the change of focus from action to plot. As cool as the action scenes in both movies are, I was most involved with the movie during the trials Peter goes through. Stuff like the scenes with Jameson, who once again stole the movie, the pizza boss, and the landlord were the highlights.

Speaking of the elevator scene, did anyone else recognize the guy? :D

The over-the-top cheesiness in the action scenes was my big beef with the first movie, and though it was toned down here, it's still too heavy. Case in point: The otherwise awesome hospital scene was brought down a notch by the female surgeon's constant howling, and Ock's long "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" at the end. Raimi needs to lose this in the 3rd movie. (On a side note, at least MJ's dialogue was changed so that "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH" was only about a quarter of her dialogue instead of half.)

4/5.

[randomguy]

On a sidenote, I reccommend that everyone who enjoyed Spider-Man 2, and most people who didn't, check out the Lego version (http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1277881&sdm=web&qtw=480&qth=300). For my money, this is the better of the two.

[wrenchien]

Speaking of the elevator scene, did anyone else recognize the guy? :D




that guy!!? not really. i have no idea who he is. maybe he's that rick jones character that should have been in the hulk movie. or maybe he's the guy who played spiderman in the live action tv show. perhaps he's the guy who'll become venom. either that or he's just extra guy, the rather lamely dressed hero that always seems to appear just as other heros appear, to take a few bullets and cruise missiles and mystical pickle morphing beams that could otherwise cause collateral damage or hurt civilians.. and it always hurts a hero to have to be held responsible for the damage he does to property just trying to save a life, so extra guy has to be there, already willing his meager savings to pay for collateral damage should he die, and also.. extra guy , in his will, takes responsibility for any damage heroes do as well as the blame... as well as the other 492 official extra guys as plentiful as fake santas are in new york .. even during christmases in july.

i've seen that scene in my mind and the trailer... and i have no clue. perhaps if i go see the movie next week? it could ring a bell.

[Pyro]

Having read these nine pages, I can bring something new to the table...
Gotta love that singing violinist! :D
I loved the movie. My current favorite. It was thrilling for me to see this movie being the Spider-Man-fan that I am. Numerous funny scenes, intentional or not, great action scenes, drama even. All the actors did great justice to their characters, though I don't think Peter should stare as much. :p I really loved the homages to the comics, especially the Spider-Man No More! part and definately the Alex Ross paintings at the opening credits. They were a great nod to comic fans and they told the previous story for the general audience. "Raindrops" and the elevator scene were hilarious.
I had no problem with the screaming. It's based on a comic book. It's fitting and hearing the screaming is much better than seeing AIIEEE!'s all over the page. Cornyisms aren't maligned in my book as long as I'm entertained.
I too questioned the girl+cake scene's meaning. It was cute, but odd. I guess since Peter was lamenting his complicated life, it was a scene providing a simple moment of someone else just showing kindness and interest in him. Though I will agree any sort of Gwen we receive will have been in her (even though Gwen’s personality was nothing like hers).
Some people might be a little phased in thinking that the movie had too much stuff they had seen before but that's only because they probably have, though not necessarily in the first movie. A lot of the story I may have seen before in the comics or in the shows, but I still enjoyed it.
I was glad I pretty much abstained from anything regarding the movie ahead of time because watching it spoiler-free was very satisfying. Though I did miss being hyped up for it. :shrug:

[wrenchien]

before i start my usual rambling, i saw the blade 3 trailer prior to this.... that looks pretty cool. i sincerely hope that wesley snipes trilogy ending, with blade and a title of 'trinity' , does a lot better than keanu reeves' trilogy with matrix and a girl named 'trinity', btw.. hmm. nice outfits, btw for that series's third outing, and a possibly intriguing plot among all the vampire shaftings.... but anyway, on with the show.

nice drawings, ross. and nice way we all got brought up to speed. too bad mcfarlane wouldn't be contacted about returning to help with the 3rd.. for a while, he was the man for spiderman.

i can pretty much identify with how peter parker got everything overburdened at one time... just too many responsibilities.. messed up in school and the pizza biz.. my oh my. that takes me back...

and winding up on the way out of his mind and into bad luck.....

my god, i blinked and 1 1/2 hours vanished. where did they go!?!?

octopus's arms look like they're within the realm of possibility and no longer just drawings.. nice little sun he made, though. accept no substitutes, though, that thing's gravity well really upset a lot of apple carts. wow.. seeing that glass go right into his wife's eye from the glass's point of view.. something i've not expected to see.

although octopus managed to get away while robbing his first bank, still spider man tried to stop him.. yet failed. that's right aunt may, even if you don't know who your son is yet.. you still get in trouble once a movie, don't you? and it's not just the foreclosure this time that made you cry @_@

boy, can't aunt may get a break? i had one of those aunts named may, too, but she's not around anymore .. oh well.

that was just the bummer spider man couldn't make it to save mary jane from that werewolf.. to be, anyway. to be married, to. and to be married, too.

i wouldn't toss my overalls in the garbage, they're too valuable.

oh look, i got spiderman's undies, i'm the man, thinks his cold hearted boss..

i wouldn't give my aunt a recap of the first movie if i knew what was good for me.

i wonder what it is with burning buildings and spider man..

funny your powers should reignite when your ex - girlfriend wants to give you another round of smooch in a coffee shop and a car gets tossed at your head.

really ..' rip the skin off'... hey, save it for that eddie brock guy should he ever rear his ugly symbiote-covered head.

i also sympathize, btw, with parker in that i also have a bad back.

those undies got nailed to the wall, good thing they denail. really, can't his boss ever realize spider man is the good guy!?!

another reason i hate trains. how could they put a train that high in the air anyway!!??! underground i know, in dallas, they exist.

nice move , trying to stop the train with his legs then lots of web. oh my god, spider man's... uh. who the heck is this guy, anyway?

word of advice to the young: NEVER, ever tell a villian to 'go through me'. especially one with 4 arms.

you'd better not blab about spider man, kid. he might figure out where you live.. and he wouldn't have any trouble getting there now that his moped.. is in heaven, sorta.

looks like goblin jr is well on his way.. and his first evil plan did work.

dump the sun into the water. how clever, but those cars i wonder.. wouldn't have been drawn in so quickly when everything was captured by the sun's well..oh look, his second sun's a bit bigger!

i talked the villian into the ocean, how nice. ... but he did say he was an octopus!!!!

my goodness, he's really got a lot on his shoulders, huh!?!

and a nice shock couple of endings... not so shocking is how goblin jr finds out he can be the 2nd goblin. it's in your court now.

marry the lady when you get back, parker. even if your future kid never sees the light of day.. well, in the universe you're in, anyway.

i wonder where gwen stacy might be, anyway!?!? maybe it's better she stay the heck out of it. and i wonder who was in those choppers following peter as he went to save god knows what this time out? maybe nick fury had a job for him.

out of 8 available limbs, i give it 4 arms up and 2 arms.. well, only at half mast because of all that old school spiderman song being played on the violin... and not seeing eddie brock or venom at all this time out.. and that rather old school song after parker decides to just be parker when his powers go out.... but oh well.... the other 2 legs i'd give and put up, but i'd fall on my back and go 'ow'.

let's just hope it does turn a profit next weekend. so we can get to see the next spiderman already, and eddie.. or goblin jr... or maybe even spider - ham, huh? mmm, it's bacon!

for such a popular film as it is.. why was it so empty when i saw the film, though!?! the theater??!

a new spin on the same old thread,

wrenchien

[Spider-Man]

I tend to agree. I hope the lack of wisecracks in the 2 films so far have been because Peter's mind was wrapped around so many things. But now, his big cares have been lifted. By the end of the second film, everything that'd been making him so broody and down in the dumps had been vanquished, and you could tell by his "Woohoo!"'s as he swung away just before the credits. So by movie 3, maybe he'll have his confidence and witty remarks. *crosses fingers*
That's one thing I hope to see in the next one. The really good cracks are really missed. They could even get Brian Michael Bendis to write a couple in for the third movie. He's had some tremendous weight taken off his shoulders and it would be nice to see his attitude reflect that. Yeah Harry knowing his secret can't be great for their friendship, which is probably now over, but he doesn't have so much to deal with. He now probably has a better handle on things.

[Boy Wonder]

Expect a response Monday... For the first time in a while, I'll see this in a theater. Whoopee!

[TOM 002]

Speaking of the elevator scene, did anyone else recognize the guy? :D

Ah yes. Hal Sparks, now best known for being one of VH1's crazy commentators in their "I Love the...." series!

I saw the movie, and I really liked it. The last touch of "Go get'em Tiger," by MJ was the sweetest part for any comic book geek.

And of course there was the obligatory Stan Lee cameo. I'm sure you got that, right?

[Peter Paltridge]

Before the film came out everyone was complaining that they just showed the whole movie in the trailer. For 2/3 of it I was thinking just that, but they still had a few surprises left to warrant an enjoyable time. For one thing, Harry actually DID find Parker under the Spidey costume, and they showed that scene so many times in the previews I was certain it wouldn't be him and they were faking us out. They sure fooled ME...

Parker also managed to actually keep several of his appointments. He missed the play, but made it to everything else he promised to be in. A cliche of superhero movies is that their alter-egos are always making these meetings and things that they can't keep.

Doc Ock redeemed himself at the end--that was also good. Too many of these guys live and die villains.

And at the end when Parker got yet ANOTHER chance--when MJ showed up in the bride dress--I was thinking, "Okay, if you blow it THIS time, I'll knock your block off." He didn't. About time. More power to the new couple in movie 3......

I agree Hobgoblin is stupid, but so are a looooot of Spider-Man villains. Batman has all the cool ones, Spider-Man gets stuck with octopus men and human rhinos and an old ugly man calling himself "The Vulture." It's only gonna get worse unless they bring in Venom, and they can't without covering the extremely long back story that no one would sit through.

To the guy who said this would be a six-movie series--geez, I hope not. Everybody knows franchises begin to lose steam by movie 3, and there has never been a good #4.

[Knight]

To the guy who said this would be a six-movie series--geez, I hope not. Everybody knows franchises begin to lose steam by movie 3, and there has never been a good #4.
What about the James Bond movie franchise? They are well past four.

Anyway I dont understand the fan thinking on some movies. So after 3 of any movie is made they dont need to do anymore? And not because there isnt avaliable material. But simply because its hit its third movie. :confused:

I say they keep making them until they cant turn a profit anymore (thats really all the studios care about).

[Spider-Man]

I saw the movie, and I really liked it. The last touch of "Go get'em Tiger," by MJ was the sweetest part for any comic book geek.
That was a great line. And when they followed it up with the shot of her looking out the window looking worried you just know this can't end good for either of them. I'm glad they went with that line and cut out the "Face it, Tiger. You just hit the jackpot" line that she was supposed to say when he opened the door.

[Discloner]

Anyway I dont understand the fan thinking on some movies. So after 3 of any movie is made they dont need to do anymore? And not because there isnt avaliable material. But simply because its hit its third movie. :confused:

I say they keep making them until they cant turn a profit anymore (thats really all the studios care about).I think the Batman franchise is still fresh enough in everyone's head that the thought of Spidey after 3 is a tad weary. After all, I believe it's come directly from director Sam Raimi's mouth, that he is only interested in doing three movies. (I may have heard wrong, but on a E! interview he said something about the 'final film' [3] being released in 2008.)

If Sony were to pick up another director...it very well could be a repeat of the whole batman fiasco. Not that it WILL, just that these films are so good, it'd be a shame for the franchise to be dragged down by horrible movies after 3.

[EJill34]

I think the Batman franchise is still fresh enough in everyone's head that the thought of Spidey after 3 is a tad weary. After all, I believe it's come directly from director Sam Raimi's mouth, that he is only interested in doing three movies. (I may have heard wrong, but on a E! interview he said something about the 'final film' [3] being released in 2008.
I saw that as well, and Raimi saying 2008 confused me. I was under the impression that it was going to be released in May of 2007. Can somebody clear this up?

[Stu]

This was finally released in the UK yesterday, so I went to see it last night, after a brutal 2 weeks of avoiding any and all spoilers of the film.

And it was quite simply the best film I've ever seen in a cinema. Ever.

As a huge fan of the first film, I was glad to see they continued the story, instead of having the simple "Spider-Man fights a new villian" which plagued the mediocre Batman franchise.

And the new villian was quite simply the best translation of a comic book villian to the big screen ever, Molina was perfect as Doc Ock. He was also a much better character than his comic book counterpart.

Whilst the trailer gave away a lot of the plot, it didn't really matter, as it was so much fun throughout the film. Not that it was without it's drama and scenes which pulled at the heartstrings, the more memorable ones of which where Peter and his Uncle Ben talking about his future, Peter finally explaining to his Aunt May how his Uncle died, and the death of Rosie. I didn't see Ock's death coming either...

There was also some great surpises along the way, the aforementiond Uncle Ben scene, and the return of Willem Dafoe. How creepy was that picture of him in the opening credits?

Speaking of the credits, I really dug them. The score was basically a remixed version of the first film, but it worked marvelously.

The CG was a huge improvement over the first film, no doubt. I was a little weary of how well Doc Ock would translate to the big screen, but the fights were absoloutly stunning, some of the best I've seen.

The acting was also a step above the original, the 3 main stars seem more comfortable in thier roles, especially Harry who was a little wooden. Franco played the obsessiveness of his character very well. He was also very good as the executive, a role I couldn't see him playing before. Kristen was better, and looked a hell of a lot more attractive without the wig.

And finally, Spider-Man himself. Whilst the giving up Spider-Man role has been done dozens of times before, this was the best attempt, because you could see his frustration at trying to balance everything, and failing miserably. I originally thought it would be a depressing film, but the humour, from everyone, even without the Spidey one liners was spot on. There were more than a few eruptions from the audience, mostly Jameson, and the "He stole that guys pizza!" line.

Overall, an outstanding film. Going to see it again tomorrow

***** or "Amazing"

[Spider-Man]

The acting was also a step above the original, the 3 main stars seem more comfortable in thier roles, especially Harry who was a little wooden. Franco played the obsessiveness of his character very well. He was also very good as the executive, a role I couldn't see him playing before. Kristen was better, and looked a hell of a lot more attractive without the wig.

While Franco did a good job I found him to be the poorest actor among him, Dunst, and Maguire. Aside from some of his silly dialogue he delivered some of it pretty badly. He did have a couple great scenes, but then he would just bring out a mediocre performance in another. He didn't do bad by any means just not as good as he should have.

[Stu]

He did have a couple great scenes, but then he would just bring out a mediocre performance in another. He didn't do bad by any means just not as good as he should have.

I thought his best scene was at Aunt May's house, at Peter's birthday celebration. His best line was in that scene

"If you knew who he was, you'd tell me, right?"

Some of his scenes were a bit...iffy, the part with him and Doc Ock and his "find Spider-Man for me" speech. Overall, he was a helluva lot better than I thought he'd be.

To be fair to they guy, he had a great cast alongside him...which as you said above, makes him look bad in comparison.

Still, awesome film. November 19th can't come fast enough.

[Spider-Man]

I thought his best scene was at Aunt May's house, at Peter's birthday celebration. His best line was in that scene

"If you knew who he was, you'd tell me, right?"

Some of his scenes were a bit...iffy, the part with him and Doc Ock and his "find Spider-Man for me" speech. Overall, he was a helluva lot better than I thought he'd be. I thought most of the stuff when he's drunk was pretty good like when he lashes out at Peter. A completely understandable thing to do just the very wrong time. I have no idea how they'll take him the next movie now that he knows his dad was the Green Goblin.

[Damien]

The first one was better.

They took some pretty important steps plot-wise, such as MJ and Harry (and Doc Ock and half the city) finding out Peter Parker = Spider-Man, and Peter admitting his role in Uncle Ben's death, and let's not forget the introduction of John Jameson, but the bad part is that those steps were the only things new to this movie. Everything else, ever little skirmish, was just a rehash from the first one. Those burning buildings are getting about as old as that Superman homage.
And the villain...just...I wasn't feelin' it. Molina did a great job acting it out, but I wasn't really getting why they went with the internal conflict of man vs. his machnical arms (does that even happen in the comics?), I wasn't really understanding or caring what his motive was for doing whatever it was he was even trying to do, and for most of the movie, I forgot he was even an issue.

Three 1/2 stars. The best part was when "Spider-Man stole that guy's pizzas!"

[NicK']

To the guy who said this would be a six-movie series--geez, I hope not. Everybody knows franchises begin to lose steam by movie 3, and there has never been a good #4.
Actually, a lot of movies start "losing steam" by the second, but Spiderman2 was better than the first. So for all we know, it could go the opposite road, and get better with every movie.

[ryeck]

Just went to see it today, and I have not bothered to read through ten pages of talkback, so what I say may seem redundant.

Thought it was pretty good, but I liked the first one better. It was nice to see a little more of Robbie Robertson and him championing Spidey. J. Jonah was hilarious, I liked how he thought that Spidey was truly a hero after Doc Ock kidnapped MJ, until the costume was "stolen" back from Jameson's office. However, some of the dialogue seemed off, or corny.
I liked the characterization of Octavious, but I didn't care for Alfred Molina as Doc Ock. I thought the idea of his extra limbs being highly intelligent and causing the change in his personality was interesting, and this made him similar to Two-Face with the duality theme. The only major complaints I have are the "crowd surfing" of Spidey after he stopped the train and temporary loss of his powers. For the train, I'm sorry, but those people would not have waited there that long to see if Spider-Man was alright, they would be stupid not to get off as soon as possible. And did Spider-Man losing his powers have to do with losing confidence, because it seemed like that was the connection the filmakers were going for. I seem to remember in the mid 1990's animated series that Parker did go through physiological changes , but I can't remember if he lost his powers. Anyway, I thought Parker losing his powers was without any reason was kind of lame.

Overall, pretty good, but I hope #3 is better, and they can close out in a big way.

[Jolly Bengali]

Maguire and Dunst have little chemistry when playing star crossed lovers and all their scenes together felt forced and unatural.

However, the script had some cheesy dialogue (ie. "punch me and I bleed" :rolleyes: )
You missed the point of Peter Parker's character. He's socially awkward, and while he loves MJ, he doesn't really know how to connect with her. That's why the forced dialogue between Parker and MJ makes sense. The "punch me and I bleed" line is supposed to be cringe-worthy because it shows just how awkward Peter is around women.

[Kinel Ozoa]

Wow! Finally...those were 10 VERY long pages.

I went to see it, but upon waiting for my girlfriend to show up I got into the movie a bit late. I missed the preveiws and about the first 10 minutes, but on to what I did see. Which is bad seeming as how I keep hearing the begging was so good with how it brought everyone up to speed. :(

Though there was a lack of actual SPIDER-MAN in this movie, the rest was still interesting. I'm led to beleive they very well could take their own means of creating venom in the next movie, if any of the suposed rumors or true that is, but so little time after the second movie it's really hard to tell. Back on subject though. with the way Pete kept losing his powers, as have been pointed out several times in this thread, was remanicient to the comics, I was hoping for man spider next movie, but I guess they just put their own spin on the whole power loss.

If you ask me, the best part of this movie was the amount I could laugh at it. Spidey wasn't his usual smart-ass but he still had a few of his good one liners, like when he first tried to stop the train by simply braceing himself on the track infront of it:

Old guy: Got anymore bright ideas?

Spidey: ....yeah, I got a few!

The sarcasm dripping from that line just made me laugh, I think I got a few odd looks for that one.

It had it's pros and cons, but most movies do. I give it a **** out of *****


I'm so glad Tobey & director Sam patched up their little spat. I'm not sure if the movie would've been the same without him.There was a spat? What spat?

[Caffeine King]

I thought that it was amazing.

Can't wait for Spiderman 3! :D

Did anyone else see Donnel Rawlings (from Chappelle's Show) in the beginning? :p

[DonkeyKongSnes]

I didn't think it was as good as everybody else thought it was. Sure the special effects were great and everything but the trailer has basically ruined the whole story. Plus how peter parkers identity was revealed so soon was absurd in my opinion.

[Spider-Man]

Plus how peter parkers identity was revealed so soon was absurd in my opinion.I actually like the fact that his ID was revealed to Harry and Mary Jane so soon. This isn't like the comics where this little subplot could be stretched out for months and months. It's the movies and some stuff can't be put off for too long. Yes, they could have waited until the third movie but then that would have made Harry and Mary Jane's role in the movie a bit useless. Now that they know his identity, they can explore with their those characters where this can all go. Will Harry go to the dark side, or realize Spider-Man was trying to stop an insane man. Does Peter and Spider-Man being the same affect how Mary Jane feels for him.

And come on, with Peter and Mary Jane hooking up, you know JJJ won't be happy about that, especially her leaving his son at the altar.

[ClockStomper]

I don't see this series going beyond movie 3, so I thought the reveals were excellent. It'll probably fizzle out and have to be rebooted once Tobey, Dunst and Rami leave...I just hope the last movie focuses on Harry versus Peter and brings the Trilogy to a dramatic finish. Yeah, it'd be nice to see all Spidey characters onscreen, but it's not sensible...throwing in other villians and side characters now would be hollow.

I was thinking a creepy look for Harry Goblin would be a cracked version of Dad's mask...shaped like the Phantom of the Opera, with half of his lower face exposed and no lenses. It's not like Peter would be in the dark on who this new Goblin could be anyway...

[Spider-Man]

I was thinking a creepy look for Harry Goblin would be a cracked version of Dad's mask...shaped like the Phantom of the Opera, with half of his lower face exposed and no lenses. It's not like Peter would be in the dark on who this new Goblin could be anyway...
That could be one of the cool ways to take it. Since Harry and Peterknow each other's IDs it would provide some very cool out-of-costume moments between the two characters. There's alot to be explored that wouldn't make it just a repeat of the first movie.

[Fone Bone]

The best superhero movie I've ever seen.

VERY funny in a lot of places. From "Spider-Man just stole that guy's pizzas" to the elevator scene it was awesome. I loved the "Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head" montage.

J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson stole the entire movie. I really disliked the character in the comics and cartoons because he seemed so mean-spirited, but here he was a lovable goof: firing and rehiring Peter multiple times, cracking that it was good news that his wife's checkbook was stolen, giving a tribute to Spider-Man that turned into a rant when he saw his hilariously strung up costume was stolen, and telling the caterer to make sure nobody opened up the caviar when MJ stood John up at the altar. My only beef is that he didn't have the brave streak he had in the first movie, where he denied knowing Parker to the Goblin to protect him, even though he barely knew him. Course he wasn't in jeopardy AT ALL during the sequel so it was forgivable.

Alfred Molina as Doctor Octopus was really good. Creepy, but sympathetic. I loved how he pulled a Darth Vader and reformed right at the end. The tenticles with the minds of their own were a nice touch.

Willem Dafoe's cameo surprised the heck out of me. It was a great revelation and Harry finding his old hideout was awesome. His finally unmaking Spider-Man was a great scene, especially the look he got when he realized Peter had killed his father. Sure, now he knows WHY but I don't think he's gonna be that forgiving.

My biggest complaint about the movie were all the Peter and Mary Jane scenes. We get it, they're starcrossed lovers, move on already. You could tell the creators of Smallville were involved and that is NOT a compliment. The surprise happy ending made it worth it though, and I hope it means less Clark and Lana-ish crap next movie. SO glad Mary Jane now knows and the reveal was awesome. Smallville could take a page on this.

I really disliked Dylan Baker as Curt Connors. He's from that awful show The Pitts and he was all wrong. I actually WANT a recast for the next movie.

Tobey Maguire was a revelation in the film. His was the best performance in a superhero movie EVER! The little touched of his so-called "blank stares" were actually nuances where we could read what he was thinking without him saying a word. He reminded me of a male Sarah Michelle Gellar. Blank stares indeed.:rolleyes:

Bruce Campbell's cameo was hilarious. I love him. Also spotted Stan Lee's blink-and-you'll-miss-'im scene.

Who was the blonde girl who offered cake to Peter played by? Was it the same actress who plays Glynnis on "Joan of Arcadia"? She is SO cute!

Also, don't anyone get their hopes up for Venom in the next movie. Raimi HATES him and thinks alien costumes cheapen the Spider-Man mythos. Me, personally? I want to see Harry as the new Green Goblin, provided that they improve his design to include a cloak.

A terrific movie. The best I've seen since Return of the King. *****.

[Batman]

OMG that was one hell of a good movie. It was way better than the first One, Don't get me wrong the first one was great . But the second one was Amaznig. I was On the edge of my seat thought the whole movie. I loved the villian Doc Ock was cool very cool. But what I like the most was that Aunt May & Mary Jane both know that Peter Parker & Spider-Man are one and the same.Also I loved the elevator scene & The I'm Back scene where he runs & jumps into the air screaming "I'm Back !!!!!!!!! & then he falls down into the ally & says "My Back"http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/ez-laugh.gif http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/ez-laugh.gif http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/ez-laugh.gif http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/ez-laugh.gif http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/ez-laugh.gif http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/ez-laugh.gif & the train scene was amazing!!!!!!http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/ez-eek.gif Plus I pretty sure that Spidey 3 pete & MJ are going to get married now that she know. I can't wait for Spider-Man 3 !!!!!!!!!!http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/ez-wink.gif I give Spidey 2 10/10 This byfar is going to be the best Summer movie of the Year !!!!!!!!

[Wesyeed]

:sad: I don't know man. I think it's bittersweet fellas. On one hand we have this excellent spider-man movie that makes the first one look like the rehearsal for this one, but on the other hand, how in the world is it going to get any better? Like most third movies in these mega franchises, things could start to fall apart.

I just hope we haven't hit the top of the rollercoaster just yet.



Peace out.

[Spider-Man]

Like most third movies in these mega franchises, things could start to fall apart. I think the third film will compliment this one nicely, tie up all the loose ends before Riami hands over the directing reigns and Tobey hands off the costume.

Does anyone plan to see this one more time before it's kicked out of theaters. It's down to the final showings in my area.

[Daredevil_2003]

I think the third film will compliment this one nicely, tie up all the loose ends before Riami hands over the directing reigns and Tobey hands off the costume.

Does anyone plan to see this one more time before it's kicked out of theaters. It's down to the final showings in my area.Nah, I'm just gonna wait until the DVD. A few months after the dust has settled, I still say this is the best movie of the year, and the best comic book film EVER, at least until Begins, there are flaws with this movie, mostly bad dialogue that makes me cringe at points, but overall this movie is the shiznit, I hope the 3rd one does wrap things up nicely so that, in the event the non-Raimi ones suck ass, we wont be too dissapointed. I really just want to see the whole Goblin "saga" wrapped up with something really big and cool. Anything in subsequent films, like Venom and such, would only be dessert, for me. I wonder if Ash will be in #3? :D

[Spider-Man]

Nah, I'm just gonna wait until the DVD. A few months after the dust has settled, I still say this is the best movie of the year, and the best comic book film EVER, at least until Begins, there are flaws with this movie, mostly bad dialogue that makes me cringe at points, but overall this movie is the shiznit, I hope the 3rd one does wrap things up nicely so that, in the event the non-Raimi ones suck ass, we wont be too dissapointed. I really just want to see the whole Goblin "saga" wrapped up with something really big and cool. Anything in subsequent films, like Venom and such, would only be dessert, for me. I wonder if Ash will be in #3? :DI can't seem to find any other posts by you in this thread. I'd like to discuss some of the "bad dialogue" if you (or anyone else) has the time. I'm curious to see what you didn't like about some of it.

And I think we all want to see Bruce Campbell again in the third one!

[Stu]

I think some of the people have problems with Peter's dialouge, I thought it was good, seeing as it showed his awkwardness. Remember, Peter is a geek, he's bound to say something that makes you shake your head.

With the DVD recently been announced, I'm dissapointed to find we have no deleted scenes again. Which no doubt means Spider-Man 2.5. :rolleyes:

I hope we see Bruce again too. Maybe in a slightly bigger role.

[Spider-Man]

I think some of the people have problems with Peter's dialouge, I thought it was good, seeing as it showed his awkwardness. Remember, Peter is a geek, he's bound to say something that makes you shake your head.
Exactly! I have been in some of the same situations where I'll blurt some crap out and just shake my heads afterwards, thinking of what I should have said. Peter is still awkward when it comes Mary Jane and how to deal with her. I think the movies have actually played up this aspect of Peter's personality better than any of the cartoons.

[Stu]

The MTV show played that aspect of it well, he tried, but really wasn't cool at all.


Exactly! I have been in some of the same situations where I'll blurt some crap out and just shake my heads afterwards, thinking of what I should have said.

Happens all the time with me.

Peter acts nervous around other people, probably because he's never really had friends before, with the exception of Harry. Most people he knew picked on him, so there's no doubt he'd be awkward around people.

[Batman]

The MTV show played that aspect of it well, he tried, but really wasn't cool at all. Ok for me The MTV Spider-man Sucked. It was really stupid their really wasn't really a good story. By far The 1990 Spider-man animated series kicked ass. If they wanted to do another spidey cartoon. they should have had a better story.

[Stu]

The amazing sequel is finally released on DVD today! How does the film hold up after multiple viewings?

To talk about the features/presentation of the DVD, check out the DVD talkback thread! (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=127738)

If you're up for some discussion on the animated adventures of Spider-Man head over to The Marvel Animated Forum (http://forums.toonzone.net/forumdisplay.php?f=83).

[PowerZord]

Great, beautiful movie. My neighbor let me borrow his copy of the movie, and I loved it.

[Punisher]

I just recently saw it on DVD, and while it was pretty good, it would be much better if they would just include better villans. Venom was a great villan, and if he would be in the movie it would be great.

[JohnStewart-GL]

For me it holds up beautifully. ive seen it like 5 times i love it. Ock was so much better than the Goblin the fights were amazing tha CGI top notch and the story was filled with surprises. Fave comic movie yet!

[Spider-Man]

Spider-Man 2 is up for some Academy Awards! The film will face off against The Incredibles and The Polar Express in Sound Editing; by The Aviator, The Incredibles, The Polar Express and Ray in Sound Mixing; and by Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban and I, Robot in Visual Effects.

[Stu]

With the expanded edition of Spider-Man 2 now out on DVD, dubbed Spider-Man 2.1, now seemed to be the ideal time to bump up this talkback (just in time for Spider-Man 3).

SPIDER-MAN 2/SPIDER-MAN 2.1


http://www.wfdvdreport.com/news/images/t-spider2.1.jpg (http://wfdvdreport.com/index.php?action=fullnews&id=49)

"I want a life of my own. I am Spider-Man...no more." - Peter ParkerRelease Date: June 30, 2004
Release Date: April 17th, 2007 (for Spider-Man 2.1)
Studio: Columbia Pictures
Director: Sam Raimi
Screenwriter: Alvin Sargent
Starring: Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, James Franco, Rosemary Harris, J.K. Simmons, Alfred Molina, Brooke Adams, Dylan Baker, Elizabeth Banks, Bruce Campbell, Daniel Gillies, Donna Murphy, Vanessa Ferlito, Ted Raimi
Genre: Action, Adventure
MPAA Rating: PG-13 (for stylized action violence)
Talkback: Spider-Man Talkback (Spoilers) (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31820)
Official Website: SonyPictures.com (http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/)

Plot Summary: Two years have passed, and the mild-mannered Peter Parker faces new challenges as he struggles with "the gift and the curse," desperately trying to balance his dual identities as the web-slinging superhero Spider-Man and his life as a college student. Tormented by his secrets, Peter finds that his relationships with all those he holds dear are in danger of unraveling. His life-long yearning for M.J. (Dunst) becomes even stronger as he fights the impulse to reveal his secret life and declare his love. His friendship with Harry Osborn (Franco) is complicated by the young Osborn's bitterness over his father's death and his growing vendetta against Spider-Man. Even Peter's beloved Aunt May (Harris), who has fallen on hard times after the death of Uncle Ben, begins to have doubts about her nephew. Peter's life is about to become even more complicated as he encounters a formidable new foe -- Dr. Otto Octavius (Molina). Peter must use all the powers at his disposal to try to stop this diabolical madman in his octagonal tracks.

Comments?

Note: Please discuss the Spider-Man 2.1 DVD here (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=188806)!

[Batman]

I Recently watched back too back Spider-man 2 & Spider-man 2.1 on dvd , 2.1 makes spidey 2 even better , I love the two extended fight sequence between Spidey vs. Doc Ock .

[dmxx116]

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