Punisher 2 Probably not happening...

[ZorBrak]

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3382675/news?item_id=3501481
Everyone thank the masses who chose to see the other revenge movie with the terrible acting, ridiculous dialogue, poor writers, and ego trippin hack directer that came out the same weekend...I'm not saying any names...but really...how lame.

To all ye faithful BUY THE DVD...DVD could change things...

[Chad Bonin]

The Punisher easily became one of my favoite comic book movies.

[JDuncan]

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3382675/news?item_id=3501481
Everyone thank the masses who chose to see the other revenge movie with the terrible acting, ridiculous dialogue, poor writers, and ego trippin hack directer that came out the same weekend...I'm not saying any names...but really...how lame.

To all ye faithful BUY THE DVD...DVD could change things...I saw both on opening day and the 'masses' by far made the right choice.

[Frank Castle]

Nothing has been confirmed YET! It has yet to open in a lot of countries and dvd sales will be a huge factor. LGF has already made their money back from the US showings so all the money coming in now is all profit.

[Sigma]

I didn't want to pay full price to see it so I waited till it was on at the cheep theater and now it is. I haven't had the chance to see it yet I went yesterday, but they wouldn't let me in because im not 17 (im 16) and the old lady that works at the theater and the only person to card people there was working. So I think im going to go see it tonight if I can get off work early enough.

btw, There is no way The Punisher could be better then the other movie you mentioned.

[Nin-Nin69]

The only way to make a true sucessful Punisher movie is to have John Woo run the show. And we're not talking about the MI:2/Bulletime/CGI/Tree Hopping styled Woo. We need the old school Woo from Hard Boiled/The Killer. CGI and make believe human abilites takes away the drama and action from the movie. If the next Punisher can be anything close to Hard Boiled, we've got Oscar material on our hands.

There. I said it.

[Brent Long]

They shouldn't have opened The Punisher on the same date as Kill Bill in the first place. Kill Billl had too much of a fan base who had seen Volume 1 and had to see Volume 2. I know The Punisher has a long standing fan base dating to it's initiaon in the comic world, but Kill Bill in my opinion had much better promotion. Some of the public might have gone to see it alone based on the fact if they noted in the trailers that it was based on a comic in the Marvel universe among others like Spiderman, but the average viewer wouldn't even think it was a superhero movie by the promotion, and I agree with Knux Kill Bill was much better than The Punisher.

[randomguy]

The only way to make a true sucessful Punisher movie is to have John Woo run the show. And we're not talking about the MI:2/Bulletime/CGI/Tree Hopping styled Woo. We need the old school Woo from Hard Boiled/The Killer. CGI and make believe human abilites takes away the drama and action from the movie. If the next Punisher can be anything close to Hard Boiled, we've got Oscar material on our hands.

There. I said it.I think that John Woo is tied up and gagged in the other room. Somebody has stolen his face.

[MattThomasM2B]

Maybe if Punisher had a mace wielding school girl...

[Thanos]

Good. It was a terrible movie, an even worse comic book movie, and did terrible at the box office. A sequel would be totally undeserving.

[Frank Castle]

Good. It was a terrible movie, an even worse comic book movie, and did terrible at the box office. A sequel would be totally undeserving.You sound very bitter. Just because you didn't like the movie you want others to suffer?:rolleyes:

[Icer]

The Punisher was good, but I cant blame people for seeing Kill Bill.
It is exponentially better.

[Knight]

The Punisher was ok but it could have been a whole lot better. I was actually hoping they would make a sequel just so we could get a better movie. As for the dvd I might get a pre rented copy if its cheap enough.

[Thanos]

You sound very bitter. Just because you didn't like the movie you want others to suffer?:rolleyes:Not many will be suffering from the lack of a sequel, considering the poor box office The Punisher received. Plus, the majority of critics and people who had the misfortune of viewing the movie agree with me, the movie was terrible. Why would a sequel be produced for a movie that didn't make a lot of money? It's illogical.

[Frank Castle]

Not many will be suffering from the lack of a sequel, considering the poor box office The Punisher received. Plus, the majority of critics and people who had the misfortune of viewing the movie agree with me, the movie was terrible. Why would a sequel be produced for a movie that didn't make a lot a money? It's illogical.Most people did like it. Got to yahoo and read some fan responses and they'll say it was awesome. People are listening to critics way too much these days and when Punisher comes out on dvd the sales will be excellent. And a sequel does seem logical and if one does come out I hope you'll be happy that you contributed to the funding of that sequel by spending your hard earned money on seeing the first one. And if a sequel doesn't come out I'll be sad for about 5 minutes, but you still lost your money on seeing The Punisher and I know you don't want to see a sequel, so either way you lose.:)

[Thanos]

but you still lost your money on seeing The Punisher and I know you don't want to see a sequel, so either way you lose.:)
Actually, I'm quite glad I went to see the Punisher. It provided me with some great laughs, although it wasn't meant to. By the way, the majority of fan responses were negative. And why does making a sequel seem logical?

[Frank Castle]

Actually, I'm quite glad I went to see the Punisher. It provided me with some great laughs, although it wasn't meant to. By the way, the majority of fan responses were negative. And why does making a sequel seem logical?Glad that you enjoyed the movie. Something tells me you didn't look at the fan responses on yahoo either. Creating a sequel does seem logical because Frank can now go into full Punisher mode and start blastin' every thing that by God moves. I'm not sure why you should give a crap anyway since you hated the first one. So if you could explain why you should care please enlighten me.

[Chris Wood]

And why does making a sequel seem logical?
How about to make a better movie?

Come on people, buy that DVD! Buy two! Buy three! One for the office! One for the dog! The Punisher deserves more sequels than Blade or Crow at the very least.

[Thanos]

Glad that you enjoyed the movie. Something tells me you didn't look at the fan responses on yahoo either. Creating a sequel does seem logical because Frank can now go into full Punisher mode and start blastin' every thing that by God moves. I'm not sure why you should give a crap anyway since you hated the first one. So if you could explain why you should care please enlighten me.
I don't.

[Frank Castle]

I don't.Then why are you so hell bent on sending the Punisher franchise to hell?

[Thanos]

Then why are you so hell bent on sending the Punisher franchise to hell?
Despite the fact that it was a terrible movie, I'm really not "hell-bent on sending the Punisher franchise to hell." From the reviews and box office results, a sequel is undeserving. It's as simple as that. Besides, my hatred for the movie is not vehement enough to actually have an effect on the franchise, so your exagerration is highly idiotic.

[Frank Castle]

The thing is, they'd probably be better off letting the series rest for a few years. Then they could go about resurrecting it with a better plot, better script, better actors, etc.The comic book craze could be over by then and it would be too late. Besides I think TJ is a perfect fit for the Punisher.

[Frank Castle]

Despite the fact that it was a terrible movie, I'm really not "hell-bent on sending the Punisher franchise to hell." From the reviews and box office results, a sequel is undeserving. It's as simple as that. Besides, my hatred for the movie is not vehement enough to actually have an effect on the franchise, so your exagerration is highly idiotic.Well you sound hell-bent and I just can't figure out why you keep posting because you hate the movie and everytime you post somethin' I'm gonna answer right back no matter how idiotic it is.

[Daredevil_2003]

The comic book craze could be over by then and it would be too late. Besides I think TJ is a perfect fit for the Punisher.With movies like Batman Begins and the new Superman coming, not to mention the unstoppable monster that is Spider-Man and his forefathers the X-Men (movie-wise), I dont see the craze going away any time soon. Now on to the issue of Frank Castle. Granted, I've yet to see the second half, but I personally liked what I saw of The Punisher. It had problems and it's far from the best movie out there, but I got most of what I expected out of it, it was worth my money, I'd love to see a sequel and I'm definitely buying when it comes out on DVD.

[Frank Castle]

With movies like Batman Begins and the new Superman coming, not to mention the unstoppable monster that is Spider-Man and his forefathers the X-Men (movie-wise), I dont see the craze going away any time soon. Now on to the issue of Frank Castle. Granted, I've yet to see the second half, but I personally liked what I saw of The Punisher. It had problems and it's far from the best movie out there, but I got most of what I expected out of it, it was worth my money, I'd love to see a sequel and I'm definitely buying when it comes out on DVD.I'm glad someone is starting to see the light.:)

[Lord Dalek]

The thing is, they'd probably be better off letting the series rest for a few years. Then they could go about resurrecting it with a better plot, better script, better actors, etc.Uhh, that was the point of this film. And seeing as it has collapsed into itself with a mighty thud, lets forget it.

[Frank Castle]

Uhh, that was the point of this film. And seeing as it has collapsed into itself with a mighty thud, lets forget it.Fine but how 'bout you forget it and let the series continue.:)

[Thanos]

Well you sound hell-bent and I just can't figure out why you keep posting because you hate the movie and everytime you post somethin' I'm gonna answer right back no matter how idiotic it is.
I keep posting because some of your comments are directed towards me. Plus, the topic of this thread regards to the possibility of a Punisher sequel, so why would my disliking of the movie prevent me from posting. I've stated why I think a sequel should not be made, but you've yet to form a coherent message explaining your opinion.

[Frank Castle]

I keep posting because some of your comments are directed towards me. Plus, the topic of this thread regards to the possibility of a Punisher sequel, so why would my disliking of the movie prevent me from posting. I've stated why I think a sequel should not be made, but you've yet to form a coherent message explaining your opinion.I believe that a sequel should be made because the original WAS a good movie. I don't have a problem with you posting but it seems to me that you want to crush the hopes of everyone who wants a sequel.

[Chris Wood]

Uhh, that was the point of this film. And seeing as it has collapsed into itself with a mighty thud, lets forget it.

Why? Most people though Superman IV and Batman & Robin stunk, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be interested in new films from those franchises. Every franchise has an "off" film now and again.

[Frank Castle]

Would you mind expanding on that very grand statement?For starters I liked the moody atmosphere. I also liked that Frank's whole family was gotten rid of. The other reasons are that you wanted to feel sorry for Frank and at certain times for Howard Saint and TJ did an awesome job acting. And at the end of the movie the audience was applauding the screen because everyone expected to see an awesome movie and The Punisher delivered.

[Chad Bonin]

I certainly enjoyed the movie. Definitely made me take a look at catching up on the MAX Punisher comic.


I mean the movie really twisted his origin and destroyed the story it was based on (Welcome Back, Frank).Movieverse Punisher is different from Marvelverse Punisher who's different from 2099 Punisher who's different from Mangaverse Punisher...

So what? Movieverse Spidey's got organic web shooters from a genetically altered spider. Mangaverse Spidey doesn't have powers, but he is a kickin' kid ninja. Doesn't mean "Since it's not accurate, it sucks!" or anything.

[Frank Castle]

Well, Punisher's origin is what made him. It's like saying Batman's uncle and aunt got shot instead of his parents.But certainly you can change it but make sure the disasterous event is on a grander scale. Besides Batman's a special case because he is the most mainstream superhero and people know his backstory however there's not too many who know the Punisher's backstory so his can be changed.

[Chad Bonin]

Frank's son and wife get killed... or Frank's son, wife, and everyone with a shred of shared DNA in the northern hemisphere get killed.

[Frank Castle]

or Frank's son, wife, and everyone with a shred of shared DNA in the northern hemisphere get killed.Makes for a better story.:)

[Frank Castle]

Well just because its not as well-known as Batman's, it doesn't mean that you can be disrespectful to the source material.True but sometimes making the story different is what makes going to the movie and then reading the exact same story in a comic that not many people know or care about different. And that my friend is a good thing.

[Frank Castle]

How? Killing his wife and child makes him more of a focused character. When you kill every person who has any relation to him, it seems way too extravagant and more like a cheap stunt. It doesn't have the profound meaning that seeing your immediate family gunned down does. I'm sure Frank Castle didn't really care for every person who had some kind of distant relation to them, so their deaths become gratuitous. It becomes more like a plea for attention or trying too hard to make the audience feel bad for the character.It had a double purpose in the movie. It made Frank The Punisher and it showed how much of a b**** Livia Saint was.

[Fone Bone]

Ooooh! Controversy!

My man Joss Whedon (Astonishing X-Men) had this to say about the Punisher to Entertainment Weekly.




One of the things I like about the X-Men is they're not killing people. I miss the idea of... heroes who stop that kind of thing from happening. Here's why I'm not running Marvel: If I was, I would kill the Punisher. I don't believe in what he does. The Punisher just shoots up places. And if you're telling me he's never hit an innocent, then I'm telling you, that's fascist crap. Which is not to say I won't kill anybody. I mean, it's ME. If I didn't kill people, well, gosh, I would feel all ooky inside.

Me personally? I don't think there should be a sequel. I would rather more Marvel money go into adapting stuff like Iron Man and Fantastic Four.

[Knight]

Ooooh! Controversy!

My man Joss Whedon (Astonishing X-Men) had this to say about the Punisher to Entertainment Weekly.

Me personally? I don't think there should be a sequel. I would rather more Marvel money go into adapting stuff like Iron Man and Fantastic Four.
I agree instead of pumping more money into the Punisher they should go with their other properties.

[Spider-Man]

I thought the first movie was alright, but nothing special. I don't think we'll see a sequel. The box office returns were disappointing and it wasn't very well-recieved. Then again it seem sjust about any movie gets a sequel these days, no matter how unwarranted.

[Chad Bonin]

Here's the thing- The Punisher, as it was so damn cheap to make (what, a budget of twenty million or so?), is one of those movies that mostly just makes a profit. The Blair Witch Project is the most sucessful movie of all time, just because it cost maybe $21.73 to produce and made millions.

[JDuncan]

Here's the thing- The Punisher, as it was so damn cheap to make (what, a budget of twenty million or so?), is one of those movies that mostly just makes a profit. The Blair Witch Project is the most sucessful movie of all time, just because it cost maybe $21.73 to produce and made millions.I'm not sure that's the case here, at least not according to our old friend Box Office Mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=punisher.htm). They say that it has grossed a worldwide total of $43.3 mil, which is about $10 mil less than its $53 mil production and marketing costs. It'll probably break even with the theatrical rerelease and video, though.

[Frank Castle]

I'm not sure that's the case here, at least not according to our old friend Box Office Mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=punisher.htm). They say that it has grossed a worldwide total of $43.3 mil, which is about $10 mil less than its $53 mil production and marketing costs. It'll probably break even with the theatrical rerelease and video, though.But it still has to be released in many other countries so it will make back the production costs from the theatrical release and the dvd sales will be good.

[Knight]

All Punisher has to do is sale about 575,000 dvds (thats a lil over 10 million at about $18 a dvd) and it will have made its money back. Im sure atleast that many people are willing to buy the dvd...right?

[Frank Castle]

No, you see $43.3 million was the WORLDWIDE total according to jdoggg. So that means it was released in other countries. And what makes you so sure that the DVD sales will be good? If lots of people hated the movie, why would they buy the movie? Logic seems to be missing here.Please try to understand this. The Punisher has not opened in all the countries it's supposed to yet so that total is just from the countries that have opened the movie SO FAR.

[Frank Castle]

I thought you would wise up by now junior. You know why it was pushed out of theaters? Because there was way too much stuff coming in at once. Kill Bill and Punisher lasted 3 weeks at my 28 screen cinema to make room for newer releases. And besides on opening weekend Bill got a lot more commercials where as Punisher got hardly any. Word of mouth doesn't work these days so people have to listen to overweight, overpaid, and overrated critics who wouldn't know their head from their a**.

[JDuncan]

If Kill Bill got more ads it was because Miramax paid for them, not because the tv spot gods wanted to keep The Punisher down.

[Frank Castle]

How are you in any way qualified to judge that "word of mouth" doesn't work these days? Unless you've conducted some kind of extensive poll, I don't see where you could get that information. If you are able to provide me with hard facts that word of mouth does not work anymore, then I will gladly agree with you.I have not conducted a poll because I'm a very busy person but I will explain why I said that. People listen to critics a lot more than they used to.(mainly because it costs and arm and a leg to see a movie) And the general public looks at the numbers of millions on opening weekend a lot more closely than before. And when a movie does poorly on opening weekend and they read a bad review people don't see it. My whole school said The Punisher was great but around the time that everyone tried to spread the word people just didn't care because a cranky critic bashed the movie so bad that the person just lost interest. Victims of that are The Punisher, The Terminal, and The Chronicles of Riddick.

[Frank Castle]

If Kill Bill got more ads it was because Miramax paid for them, not because the tv spot gods wanted to keep The Punisher down.Well duh.:rolleyes: LGF screwed up by not paying for enough ads. I'm just saying that it would have benefited the movie if there were more ads.

[JDuncan]

Now CHUD (http://chud.com/news/june04/june28punish.php3) has an article up, sourcing Moviehole, saying that there may be a Punisher sequel, but one that goes straight-to-video and doesn't feature Thomas Jane.

[Frank Castle]

Now CHUD (http://chud.com/news/june04/june28punish.php3) has an article up, sourcing Moviehole, saying that there may be a Punisher sequel, but one that goes straight-to-video and doesn't feature Thomas Jane.I read the same one on SSH a couple of days ago and it's just a guess. LGF is watching their cards right now and waiting.

[ZorBrak]

I suppose I'll just never understand humanity. Punisher was presented how it was supposed to be...argue with me on that if you want I won't reply. rememeber a critic complaining because he DIDN'T HAVE SUPER POWERS IN THE MOVIE and then went on to say it was nothing like the comic. Well if she thinks The Punisher has super powers she's obviously a moron..and if she thinks that HTF could she know what the comics are like? Kill Bill however..I don't even know where to begin. It's fun. Fun. Fun movies don't equal good films. As a film...IT IS TERRIBLE. It's something that should have cult followings after it hits DVD...the fact that it grossed what it did in the month it did...is quite stupid. It's kind of the way how Sony makes the game system that costs the most and is the weakest peice of hardware. But every publisher and customer buys into them before buying into MS or Nintendo. Or how the original playstation outsold the DC. Bah I give up. I bet Catwoman will make a ton the way people's tastes seem to be now. I think everyone has decided Punisher is a terrible movie because every critic said it was. The reason that THEY in turn said it was is because they all either openly or subconsciously think Quentin is some sort of genious (when really he's just and egotistical hack). They took the oppurtunity to praise his crapfest of terrible dialog and jumbled corn and cheese in efforts to thwart the success of a movie with a similar concept. Eveyrone was rooting for KB2 because of their worship of Quentin and when the critics "certified" KB2's "genious" it was okay and the popular thing to ditch "The Punisher" because it was suddenly the revenge movie done wrong. You want to talk about a bad Marvel Movie coming down the pipes? Fantastic 4. Be afraid. And then watch it gross more than Punisher.

[Hurricane V1]

I saw the Punisher, it was a decent action flick. Not very original or brilliant but a fun popcorn movie, it improved over the original Punisher movie. I enjoyed Man on Fire and Kill Bill part 2 a little more.

Rather than a straight up sequel, why not let Frank Castle star in the first Marvel crossover movie? "The Punisher vs Nick Fury: Agent of Shield" that way we can see Tom Jane kill David Hasselhoff for that lousy Nick Fury movie he made years ago. Who's with me on this one?

[Frank Castle]

Rather than a straight up sequel, why not let Frank Castle star in the first Marvel crossover movie? "The Punisher vs Nick Fury: Agent of Shield" that way we can see Tom Jane kill David Hasselhoff for that lousy Nick Fury movie he made years ago. Who's with me on this one?Best idea I've heard all week.:)

[Jedigreedo]

That really bites, I was hoping for a Punisher sequel or two. It was a great film as it really is one of the most original movies in a long time. I think people in this time of watered-down goodness just can't handle the lack of cliches the Punisher presented with such a dark storyline, IE: no happy sappy ending with him and the girl hooking up.

One thing I think really didn't help this franchise was a TV trailer that was running before the movie came out. It focused on him and the woman while playing a love song through all these explosions and such. It really felt like they were making it a love story, makes you wonder if the person who made that trailer was even involved with the film itself.

It really is an underrated and underappreciated movie.

[ZorBrak]

That really bites, I was hoping for a Punisher sequel or two. It was a great film as it really is one of the most original movies in a long time. I think people in this time of watered-down goodness just can't handle the lack of cliches the Punisher presented with such a dark storyline, IE: no happy sappy ending with him and the girl hooking up.

One thing I think really didn't help this franchise was a TV trailer that was running before the movie came out. It focused on him and the woman while playing a love song through all these explosions and such. It really felt like they were making it a love story, makes you wonder if the person who made that trailer was even involved with the film itself.

It really is an underrated and underappreciated movie.
I myself have wondered if somebody at Lion's Gate sabotaged the film's success. Because...it almost seems like they freaking tried to. Releasing it against KB2...the bad trailers...the lack of promotion. And then they say they spent 20 MILLION in marketing. I don't believe that one bit. If that was their marketing budget I sur didn't see results (maybe somebody embezzled a lil bit). I can't believe it flopped like it did but it was because of all the critics who though KB2 was "genious." They wanted to promote it so they bashed what would be it's "rival" without really going into it with the right mentality. Many expecting a warm hearted man with super powers and then went on to say it was nothing like a comic. Well retards...IT WAS LIKE A PUNISHER COMIC. Damn...depressin' indeedy.

[Thanos]

Well retards...IT WAS LIKE A PUNISHER COMIC. Damn...depressin' indeedy.Well grand and almighty Punisher fanboy, may I ask, where was this uncanny resemblance this movie apparently shared with a comic? It sure wasn't the modernized Punisher that has been acclaimed by critics and fans and it sure wasn't like the comic it was based on?

The sad part is, I knew the movie would butcher my favorite character. I went into the theater expecting that maybe I would see a movie with an acceptable plot and talented acting. I was horrifyingly disappointed, and so was the majority of people who saw it. The undeserving sequel isn't going to happen. Give it up.

[ZorBrak]

Well grand and almighty Punisher fanboy, may I ask, where was this uncanny resemblance this movie apparently shared with a comic? It sure wasn't the modernized Punisher that has been acclaimed by critics and fans and it sure wasn't like the comic it was based on?

The sad part is, I knew the movie would butcher my favorite character. I went into the theater expecting that maybe I would see a movie with an acceptable plot and talented acting. I was horrifyingly disappointed, and so was the majority of people who saw it. The undeserving sequel isn't going to happen. Give it up.
Well almighty poster it's a thing called an opinion. You can express yours without being rude to other posters I assume? But you didn't nope. So agree to disagree perhaps it wasn't the closest it could have been but I think it was prepping to open up a can of whoop ass in part two. But as you told me "give it up". You could have just said I don't think it's going to happen btw. Telling someone to please be quiet also works better than telling someone to STFU usually.

[Frank Castle]

Geez can we just let this thread DIE! If a sequel gets made then it does. If it doesn't then it doesn't. Case closed.

[Chad Bonin]

Well, IGN.com posted a story about the death of the Punisher movie franchise being highly exageratted.

[Michael24]

My dad and I saw THE PUNISHER, and we enjoyed it. I went in expecting just a straight-forward revenge flick with little story and overflowing with action, but was happy to see something else. (Nothing against those types of movies, I like them, but I was glad to see the filmmakers decide to do something different). I saw it twice, and I will definitely buy the DVD. Personally, I'd rather see THE PUNISHER 2 and X-MEN 3.

[Thanos]

Well almighty poster it's a thing called an opinion. You can express yours without being rude to other posters I assume? But you didn't nope. So agree to disagree perhaps it wasn't the closest it could have been but I think it was prepping to open up a can of whoop ass in part two. But as you told me "give it up". You could have just said I don't think it's going to happen btw. Telling someone to please be quiet also works better than telling someone to STFU usually.
Ahhh yes, because you were the pinnacle of politeness when you referred to people who didn't like the movie as "retards". I sense a hypocrite.

But anyway, I've stated numerous times why I think a sequel is unjustified, and so have many other posters. The reasoning of "It was actually a good movie" and/or "Marketing purposely screwed the film" just doesn't cut it. So, as you have so amiably stated, please be quiet.

If this franchise lives, I'll be first in line to witness the continuation. Truthfully, I don't care if a sequel gets made; I just think the franchise is undeserving of it.

[Frank Castle]

Truthfully, I don't care if a sequel gets made;I guess that's the most positive thing about the franchise I'm going to hear from you.:)

[PaQ]

Hmm, I'm hoping they don't give up on The Punisher, I'd love to see another movie made. I think from this one to the one before it, was an improvement in leaps and bounds (although I enjoyed the Lundgren film too). I can't wait to get this on DVD.