Redrawn Colorized Cartoon Mistakes

[Pietro]

This is a topic that we haven't done on this board since the WWWThreads version of the TTTP on Toon Zone. Now, I think we've all stomached those horrible redrawn colorized cartoons one time or another, but what do you think some of the worst mistakes in these are?

Here are my picks:

"The Daffy Doc": This one has several unnecessary edits including some of the funnier scenes (like most of Porky and Daffy's saw chase sequence).

"Daffy's Southern Exposure": I'll just say this, brown Daffy.

"Puss 'N Booty": Lots of mistakes here. At one point, the mistress of the house seems to be walking on invisible stairs. Another (rather humorous) mistake is that Petey is drawn with his eyes open while he is suppose to be sleeping!

"The House Builder Upper": The whole thing is pretty badly redrawn. One scene, that I believe was mentioned awhile back was the scene involving Wimpy painting the floor of Olive's the house. The odd thing is, you see the paint fill in on the floor without Wimpy actually painting it.

"Felix Turns the Tide" (renamed "The Inventor"): By far the worst redrawn colorized cartoon I've ever seen. There are several mistakes here. I would say the biggest is the new titles and the addition of the new 1970s soundtrack. But there are several animation mistakes here and several "disappearing acts." Oh, and did I mention that Felix is colored bright orange?

-Pietro:daffy:

[Daffysleftfoot]

"Daffy's Southern Exposure": I'll just say this, brown Daffy.


The version I have, Daffy's white collar is painted pink. :shrug:

[The Spectre]

Both Daffy's Southern Exposure and The House Builder-Upper have that mistake where the foreground moves away from the audience but the background doesn't. ("You'll be sorry!" and the spinach-eating scene respectively)

[RetroMan]

The Impatient Patient:Also has a brown Daffy and with a yellow collar

Ali Baba Bound: I haven't seen it, but I hear you can see flies trapped under the cells

Jeepers Creepers: yellow ghost, red shadows and red police uniform.

Porky's Hare Hunt: I saw a version that ends with a heart-shaped Iris out

[Daniel P]

There are several classic black-and-white Popeye cartoons where when Popeye twirled his pipe, and the redrawers didn't bother to redraw the twirling animation. The twirling sound is kept on the soundtrack, making it look even more sloppy than a redrawn already looks. These redrawns include Many Tanks, Shakespearean Spinach, The Spinach Overture, and Learn Polikeness. And in King of the Mardi Gras, the circus tent sign that is supposed to say "Bluto" says "Bloto" instead. Wimpy's hat and coat also changes color in different scenes in the same cartoon.


-Dan

[RetroMan]

That reminded me of a cartoon where Popeye, Olive and Wimpy build a bridge and (besides the non-twirling pipe) during a scene where wimpy tosses rivets at popeye and he taps them into place, a couple of cells horribly misaligned ruining the whole scene. There's also a scene with a meat truck with it's sign mispelled "ment".

[J. B. Warner]

"The Impatient Patient" holds the record in my book for worst redrawn B&W Warner short. Watch the animation of the Napoleon cuckoo bird saying "Sshhh!" and you'll see just what I mean. To add to all the glitches and miscolorings, the opening and closing titles are deplorable beyond belief - they retain the original soundtrack, but THE VIDEO IS LIFTED FROM A MID-1960S SEVEN ARTS PRODUCTION. Is it THAT hard to just take the opening rings from a color 1942 cartoon?

When I saw this one during "Looney Tunes: Back to the Drawing Board" on Boomerang at a relative's house last Thanksgiving, I made several snide remarks at the aforementioned animation atrocities. My mom and my sister thought I was making too big a deal out of it.

[A.Magik]

There are several classic black-and-white Popeye cartoons where when Popeye twirled his pipe, and the redrawers didn't bother to redraw the twirling animation. The twirling sound is kept on the soundtrack, making it look even more sloppy than a redrawn already looks. These redrawns include Many Tanks, Shakespearean Spinach, The Spinach Overture, and Learn Polikeness. And in King of the Mardi Gras, the circus tent sign that is supposed to say "Bluto" says "Bloto" instead. Wimpy's hat and coat also changes color in different scenes in the same cartoon.


-Dan
Don't forget the redrawn job on the short where Popeye searches for his father, especially the final scene when the film strip breaks! In the B&W version, we see a hand stitch the separations back together, not in the redrawn one.

They also did a few redrawn Betty Boop cartoons. And to add insult to injury, the A&E Biography episode on Betty displayed those redrawns in B&W!

A.Magik

[Larry T]

Considering ALL the redrawn cartoons in themselves are basically mistakes, you could say there's a mistake in every one. :p

But another I know of is in the Korean version of "The Film Fan", the marquee reads, "WE CHANGE OUR SHAHTS EVERYDAY". :rolleyes:

[Mibbitmaker]

"The Impatient Patient" holds the record in my book for worst redrawn B&W Warner short. Watch the animation of the Napoleon cuckoo bird saying "Sshhh!" and you'll see just what I mean. To add to all the glitches and miscolorings, the opening and closing titles are deplorable beyond belief - they retain the original soundtrack, but THE VIDEO IS LIFTED FROM A MID-1960S SEVEN ARTS PRODUCTION. Is it THAT hard to just take the opening rings from a color 1942 cartoon?

When I was a kid in the early '70s, all the redrawn LTs had that opening and closing, whereas I never saw the Seven Arts cartoons except on network TV without original openings/closings. The effect of all this was that I thought those were the original openings (in as much as I thought early on that these were originally made that way). Oddly enough, most kind of match the music. I'd still prefer original b&w or even computer-colored from original.

Another mistake I can think of was in Clean Shaven Man, where the sign said "Windy" instead of "Wimpy".

[nakak]

you mentioned most of the mistakes, but there was also one where the certificate number under thr MPAA logo was missing in the redrawn, while shown in the original black and white.

[Mibbitmaker]

Daffy Duckeroo - At one point, the cartoon drawings themselves disappear, and you just see something scrawled on blank white (cell #s, maybe?)

[Nick]

"The Impatient Patient" holds the record in my book for worst redrawn B&W Warner short. Watch the animation of the Napoleon cuckoo bird saying "Sshhh!" and you'll see just what I mean. To add to all the glitches and miscolorings, the opening and closing titles are deplorable beyond belief - they retain the original soundtrack, but THE VIDEO IS LIFTED FROM A MID-1960S SEVEN ARTS PRODUCTION. Is it THAT hard to just take the opening rings from a color 1942 cartoon?


They couldn't of taken the opening rings from a 1942 cartoon because WB didn't even own the pre-48 cartoons at the time the redrawns were made.

I think the worst redrawn cartoons are "Wholly Smoke" and "Puss And Booty".

[Larry T]

Oh yeah- in "Impatient Patient" when the doctor tries to scare Daffy, Daffy's entire body disappears for about 24 frames or so.

[Jon Cooke]

Another mistake I can think of was in Clean Shaven Man, where the sign said "Windy" instead of "Wimpy".

Oh yes, we can't forget "Wimby's Bber Shop" from "A Clean Shaven Man":
http://looney.toonzone.net/picts/cleanshave.jpg


-Jon

[Jack]

They couldn't of taken the opening rings from a 1942 cartoon because WB didn't even own the pre-48 cartoons at the time the redrawns were made.They also wanted the cartoons to reflect the studio's recent name change - which is why they added the more recent titles instead of using the redrawn titles.

I sometimes wonder what would have happened had they done the redrawn Looney Tunes in the US as a side project for the animation department. Either having them do more faithful redrawns for TV (and I bet they would have at least been technically superior to the Korean redrawns), or even going so far as to update them and release them as "new" cartoons, maybe even with different titles (imagine how bizarre the 1930's Porky and Daffy would look set against late 1960's backgrounds:p ).

I don't think anyone has yet mentioned the "WOLE OF WALL STREET" mistake in "A Coy Decoy," I think. I've also always hated the bright purple kitten in "We The Animals Queak!"

[Do-Do]

Ali Baba Bound: I haven't seen it, but I hear you can see flies trapped under the cells


Yup. When Porky is walking out of the cafe (Brown Turban, isn't it?) you can see a bunch of black dots moving under the cells. Freeze framing shows that these are the corpses of Korean insects. Makes you wonder what the work enviornment was like over there...

There's also a part in Rover's Rival where the soundtrack goes out for a few seconds and is replaced by some mysterious Korean-speaking voices. It's really creepy, especially if you don't know it's coming!

They also seem to have gotten lazy on The Daffy Doc. Daffy's "consultation", some of the "be quiet" signs, as well as most of the chase scenes are missing completely. When I saw this cartoon uncut and black and white for the first time, I was amazed!

One other note on The Daffy Doc - anyone else find it idiotic that the "Hush Yo Mouf" sign usually gets edited? It's not really not all that offensive, is it? I always thought of it as just being based on Southern talking, not the way Black people talk. And if that gets cut why not the Yiddish sign?

[Tom Stathes]

I have seen plenty Korean redrawn cartoons under the title "Radio & Television Packagers" as well as the earlier 60s redrawn cartoons (LT's etc). Here are some pathetic examples:

"Sunken Treasure" ("Felix Braves the Briny") - Felix the Cat is colored brown.

"Ups 'n Downs" - Bosko is colored brown here for some reason.

"Spring Cleaning" ("Kiko's Cleaning Day") - There are several examples of cels and movement being mis-aligned with the backgrounds in this cartoon.

"Porky's Bear Facts" - Doorknob disappears after the zoom-in of the "Love Thy Neighbor" picture.
-Tom

[Frank]

I have seen plenty Korean redrawn cartoons under the title "Radio & Television Packagers" as well as the earlier 60s redrawn cartoons (LT's etc). Here are some pathetic examples:

"Sunken Treasure" ("Felix Braves the Briny") - Felix the Cat is colored brown.

"Ups 'n Downs" - Bosko is colored brown here for some reason.

"Spring Cleaning" ("Kiko's Cleaning Day") - There are several examples of cels and movement being mis-aligned with the backgrounds in this cartoon.

"Porky's Bear Facts" - Doorknob disappears after the zoom-in of the "Love Thy Neighbor" picture.
-TomOMG! I didn't know the Bosko's and Felix's were redrawn! Were they redrawn?

[Brandon Pierce]

Yup. When Porky is walking out of the cafe (Brown Turban, isn't it?) you can see a bunch of black dots moving under the cells. Freeze framing shows that these are the corpses of Korean insects. Makes you wonder what the work enviornment was like over there...

I think you can also see a dead fly in The Impatient Patient where Daffy's going "CHLOOOOOOOOOOEEEE! CHLOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEE!"

In "Porky's Railroad" the part where Porky watches a snail go up the hill faster than the train, in the redrawn version, the snail is moving MUCH slower than in the original b&w version.
Also, in the redrawn version, when Porky pours pepper into the train's oven, notice the fire in the oven is static, like a painting. In the original b&w version, the fire in the oven moves around like a real fire.

[RetroMan]

I don't know how much I'm asking for here, but can anyone post screenshots of these goofs? (for some reason I find the sight of an actual dead fly a litle hard to imagine)

Or perhaps comparisons between the original B&W cartoons and their colorized versions...

[Brandon Pierce]

One of the members here has a "redwrwn cartoon" site, that has pics of redrawn mistakes. I forgot who.

[The Spectre]

To add to all the glitches and miscolorings, the opening and closing titles are deplorable beyond belief - they retain the original soundtrack, but THE VIDEO IS LIFTED FROM A MID-1960S SEVEN ARTS PRODUCTION. Is it THAT hard to just take the opening rings from a color 1942 cartoon?

I've got a PD tape where the Seven-Arts opening and closing titles at LT theme music have been replaced by a series of MM rings complete with Bugs reclining on the shield! (I think they're from All This And Rabbit Stew) The last 30-odd seconds are missing too...

[Billy]

I've got the same version of that short you have, on a set of 4 PD tapes I bought cheaply on eBay in 2002 called 'Toon Town Cartoon Superstars' from Collector's Playhouse. The print is so zoomed in the 'Oh yes I can' sign simply says 'Oh yes', and the Bugs Bunny opening titles look very faded. And yes, the cartoon is abruptly hijacked after the big explosion by a 'That's all folks!' end from what looks like the same BB cartoon that the opening titles are from.

[Emmanuel Cruz]

I must be the only person insane enough to watch a redrawn cartoon without cringing after seeing it.

I love watching redrawns because they are drawn so bad, it's funny to see how stupid the errors are. One mistake I can think of is "Wholly Smoke" when Nick O'Teen is pumping an imaginary pump. And Porky apparently learned how to become invisible as well when he was strapped to the box.

Another thing is the odd choice of colors for blackface. In both "Wholly Smoke" and "Porky's Midnight Matinee," the blackface characters (the ant and the matches) have red faces and white lips. Looks like a freaky looking clown or something.

And I'm still wondering why the redrawns have a fascination with the color pink? Pink coat for the villain in "The Case of the Stuttering Pig?" Boy, that sure is intimidating.:rolleyes:

-Emmanuel:bosko:

[J. J. Hunsecker]

As a child I thought the recolored cartoons were the way those films were originally made. I just guessed that the Warner animators were simply inept in the thirties and somehow miraculously became better cartoonists in the forties. Imagined my shock when I first saw the original black and white versions of these cartoons with their professionally done animation intact!

It seems that the "retracers" in Korea didn't retrace every drawing from the original animation. The characters "freeze" sometimes during walk cycles (while the background continues to move) or during dialog so sound emanates from closed mouths. The worst example I can remember of a classic Warner cartoon that was ruined by this process is Tashlin's great PORKY PIG'S FEAT.

I'm also guessing that black and white was so looked down upon that nothing in the new recolored cartoons could contain those two non-colors! They had a strange fondness for magenta, brown and purple, too.

[The Spectre]

And I'm still wondering why the redrawns have a fascination with the color pink? Pink coat for the villain in "The Case of the Stuttering Pig?" Boy, that sure is intimidating.:rolleyes:

Especially since Porky describes him as being "all in black".

Honestly, The Case of the Stuttering Pig has only been matched by Porky's Railroad as the worst excuse for a redrawn cartoon I've set eyes upon, although I suspect there are many others I haven't seen yet. They look like they're being downloaded with a slow connection while I'm watching them, for Pete's (Billy Bletcher's) sake.

[Do-Do]

And let's not forget the blackface....er, purpleface gag at the end of Jeepers Creepers.

[Jave]

I hate in many of the Fleischer Popeyes when some great 3D backgrounds are lost in the redrawn. ("A Dream Walking", "I Ski, Love Ski, You Ski", "The Dance Contest")

"Porky Pig's Feat" has a scene where Daffy first confronts the hotel manager. At one point in the redrawn, his hands become orange (same tone of his beak and legs) for a few frames!

[Atoon]

In the remastered version of the first credits sequence of The Flinstones, Vilma's mouth is invisible (Nuff' Said, but not in this thread).

[Banned Bunny]

In the remastered version of the first credits sequence of The Flinstones, Vilma's mouth is invisible (Nuff' Said, but not in this thread).
That's a deliberate, isn't it, as are many examples in this thread ?

[Tom Stathes]

That's a deliberate, isn't it, as are many examples in this thread ?
The mentioned examples are basically careless slip-ups due to lack of professionalism and thoroughness on behalf of the artists.

[Bobby B]

Axe Me Another/Be Kind to 'Aminals'-the ship doors don't bang shut and reopen; the title cards just fade to the credits.

You Gotta Be A Football Hero-Popeye briefly splitting into an entire team of Popeyes after eating his spinach is missing completely in the redrawn version.

Hospitaliky-when the safe hits the gound, the puff of dust freezes in midair for the rest of the scene instead of dissipating as it did in the B & W original.

A Date to Skate-the skating rink's neon sign stays blank, though you can still hear the buzzing on the soundtrack.

Ghosks is the Bunk-title card reads Ghosk is the Bunk.

Onion Pacific-when Popeye toots his pipe at the end, the smoke is missing in the redrawn version.

Puttin' on the Act/With Poopdeck Pappy-both have "A Famous Studios Production" title cards.

Baby Wants A Bottleship-sign reads "Countrol Board".

A Hull of a Mess-when all the battleships blow their whistles at the end, the smoke/steam is missing in the redrawn version.

Me Musical Nephews-at the beginning of the first scene in the nephews' bedroom, Popeye's clothes have been colored red, navy blue, and light blue, when they should be all white.

Too Weak To Work-has credits from Me Musical Nephews.

Cartoons Ain't Human-has "A Max Fleischer Cartoon" title card.


Also, the redrawns of some of the 1933 and 1934 Popeyes have the "Adolph Zukor Presents A Max Fleischer Cartoon" main title cards instead of the proper "Max Fleischer Presents" ones, but I can't remember which ones do, and I'd rather not watch the redrawns again to find out.

[nakak]

"Porky's Poppa" - Carl Stalling is not listed in the redrawn version (according to Dave Mackey. Can anyone give me a screenshot of Poppa, redrawn version?)

[Pietro]

"Porky's Poppa" - Carl Stalling is not listed in the redrawn version (according to Dave Mackey. Can anyone give me a screenshot of Poppa, redrawn version?)
Well, um, I don't really have the whole thing, but I do have a computer colorized copy of "Poppa" taped from CN with a redrawn ending there for some reason which is beyond me.

-Pietro:daffy:

[Jave]

Well, um, I don't really have the whole thing, but I do have a computer colorized copy of "Poppa" taped from CN with a redrawn ending there for some reason which is beyond me.

-Pietro:daffy:That is a goof-up when making the CC print, for some reason they coudn't find a complete B&W print so they were kinda forced to use the redrawn ending.