Big News: Golden Collection, Vol. 2 Contents

[Jon Cooke]

I don't know how accurate this is, but here's a list from http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=1731

"Hare-Brained Hypnotist" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1942)
"Little Red Riding Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1944)
"Stage Door Cartoon" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1944)
"Hare Conditioned" (Bugs Bunny - 1945)
"Rhapsody Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1946)
"The Big Snooze" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1946)
"Slick Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1947)
"Bugs Bunny Rides Again" (Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam - 1948)
"Gorilla My Dreams" (Bugs Bunny/Gruesome Gorilla - 1948)
"Bunny Hugged" (Bugs Bunny - 1951)
"French Rarebit" (Bugs Bunny/Louis and Francois - 1951)
"Baby Buggy Bunny" (Bugs Bunny/Baby-Faced Finster - 1954)
"Hyde And Hare" (Bugs Bunny - 1955)
"Broom-Stick Bunny" (Bugs Bunny/Witch Hazel - 1956)
"What's Opera, Doc?" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1957)
"Beep Beep" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1952)
"Going! Going! Gosh!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1952)
"Zipping Along" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1953)
"Stop! Look! and Hasten!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1954)
"Guided Muscle" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1955)
"Ready.. Set.. Zoom!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1955)
"Gee Whiz-z-z-z!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1956)
"There They Go-Go-Go!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1956)
"Scrambled Aches" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1957)
"Zoom And Bored" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1957)
"Whoa, Be-Gone!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1958)
"Porky In Wackyland" (Porky Pig - 1938)
"Old Glory" (Porky Pig - 1939)
"Book Revue" (Daffy Duck - 1946)
"Show Biz Bugs" (Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck - 1957)
"Kitty Kornered" (Porky/Sylvester - 1946)
"Tweety Pie" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1947)
"Back Alley Op-Roar" (Elmer Fudd/Sylvester - 1948)
"Bad Ol' Putty Tat" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1949)
"All a Bir-r-r-rd" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1950)
"Room And Bird" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1951)
"Tweet Tweet Tweety" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1951)
"A Bird In A Guilty Cage" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Ain't She Tweet" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Gift Wrapped" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Snow Business" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1953)
"You Ought to Be in Pictures" (Daffy/Porky - 1940)
"Duck Soup To Nuts" (Daffy/Porky - 1944)
"Baby Bottleneck" (Daffy/Porky - 1946)
"The Great Piggy Bank Robbery" (Daffy Duck as "Duck Twacy" - 1946)
"I Love To Singa" ("Owl" Jolson - 1936)
"Have You Got Any Castles?" (1938)
"Katnip Kollege" (Johnny Cat - 1938)
"Hollywood Steps Out" (1941)
"The Heckling Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Willoughby - 1941)
"Tortoise Beats Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Cecil Turtle - 1941)
"The Dover Boys at Pimento University or 'The Rivals of Roquefort Hall'" (1942)
"The Hep Cat" (Hep Cat - 1942)
"Corny Concerto" (1943)
"Rabbit Transit" (Bugs Bunny/Cecil Turtle - 1947)
"Mouse Wreckers" (Hubie and Bertie/Claude Cat - 1948)
"Bear For Punishment" (Henry, Ma, & Junyer Bear - 1951)
"Cheese Chasers" (Hubie and Bertie - 1951)
"One Froggy Evening" (Michigan J. Frog - 1955)
"Three Little Bops" (1957)

[Red]

Yay, A Whole disc with Roadrunner/Coyote! (Hopefully)

[Billy]

This would be UNBELIEVEABLE if it were true. We've got two fantastic Porky Pig black and white cartoons in there, we've got MANY pre-48s, including ones that possibly have edited footage unseen for years (Have I Got Any Castles, The Big Snooze, Old Glory, Baby Bottleneck, Hollywood Steps Out, The Heckling Hare) plus ones with possibly restored titles...and that guy who complained about What's Opera Doc and One Froggy Evening not being on the first will be happy at this! I hope it's true!

[Jaime_Weinman]

TVShowsondvd.com is usually accurate and they don't usually post info unless they have a reliable source.

The Dover Boys! Cheese Chasers! Little Red Riding Rabbit! Porky in Wackyland! Book Revue (presumably with original titles)!... dr-ool, dr-ool. Okay, the decision to do a RR/Coyote retrospective this early is a little odd (and if they have them all one after the other, it'll make for monotonous viewing), but it's overall an excellent selection of cartoons and characters, even with the Road Runner and Tweety/Sylvester retrospectives in there, there's more diversity than the first, with proper attention paid to the earlier cartoons and to Clampett and Avery and Freleng. Only real objection at this point: still no Tashlin cartoons, and no wartime cartoons. Oh, well -- volume 3.

[Daffysleftfoot]

Actually, there is a Tashlin cartoon on there. Have You Got Any Castles c.1938 Not a stellar example, but it's there.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Sounds like a great set!

[Thad Komorowski]

Wow, so many A.A.P. owned titles... I think it's good that there's so many this time around, as there's been too much of an injustice of the post-A.A.P. films being superior to them, just because the prints are better... After almost 50 years of this, a crisis in the field of classic animation is being resolved.

It's nice to see much more of the Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote (confession - my favorite cartoon series ever) this time around too. And I'm so happy all of the Sylvester & Tweety cartoons are used from their best period (1947-1953) rather the ones afterwards where any character could substitute Tweety.


-Thad

[Jack]

Wow, nearly half pre 1948 cartoons, two of which are B&W!!!! Almost a dozen creditless blue ribbons too, I wonder how many aside for "Book Revue" will be restored...

I'm glad they got "What's Opera Doc?" and "One Froggy Evening" on the set - now future collections won't have to live in the shadow of those cartoons and can be judged on their own merits.

I'm excited to see almost any of the Freleng cartoons since I adore the backgrounds in his 40's and early 50's cartoons - I bet they'll look particularly stunning.

[J. B. Warner]

"Hare-Brained Hypnotist" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1942)
"Little Red Riding Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1944)
"Stage Door Cartoon" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1944)
"Hare Conditioned" (Bugs Bunny - 1945)
"Rhapsody Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1946)
"The Big Snooze" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1946)
"Slick Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1947)
"Bugs Bunny Rides Again" (Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam - 1948)
"Gorilla My Dreams" (Bugs Bunny/Gruesome Gorilla - 1948)
"Bunny Hugged" (Bugs Bunny - 1951)
"French Rarebit" (Bugs Bunny/Louis and Francois - 1951)
"Baby Buggy Bunny" (Bugs Bunny/Baby-Faced Finster - 1954)
"Hyde And Hare" (Bugs Bunny - 1955)
"Broom-Stick Bunny" (Bugs Bunny/Witch Hazel - 1956)
"What's Opera, Doc?" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1957)
"Beep Beep" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1952)
"Going! Going! Gosh!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1952)
"Zipping Along" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1953)
"Stop! Look! and Hasten!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1954)
"Guided Muscle" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1955)
"Ready.. Set.. Zoom!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1955)
"Gee Whiz-z-z-z!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1956)
"There They Go-Go-Go!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1956)
"Scrambled Aches" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1957)
"Zoom And Bored" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1957)
"Whoa, Be-Gone!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1958)
"Porky In Wackyland" (Porky Pig - 1938)
"Old Glory" (Porky Pig - 1939)
"Book Revue" (Daffy Duck - 1946)
"Show Biz Bugs" (Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck - 1957)
"Kitty Kornered" (Porky/Sylvester - 1946)
"Tweety Pie" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1947)
"Back Alley Op-Roar" (Elmer Fudd/Sylvester - 1948)
"Bad Ol' Putty Tat" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1949)
"All a Bir-r-r-rd" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1950)
"Room And Bird" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1951)
"Tweet Tweet Tweety" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1951)
"A Bird In A Guilty Cage" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Ain't She Tweet" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Gift Wrapped" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Snow Business" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1953)
"You Ought to Be in Pictures" (Daffy/Porky - 1940)
"Duck Soup To Nuts" (Daffy/Porky - 1944)
"Baby Bottleneck" (Daffy/Porky - 1946)
"The Great Piggy Bank Robbery" (Daffy Duck as "Duck Twacy" - 1946)
"I Love To Singa" ("Owl" Jolson - 1936)
"Have You Got Any Castles?" (1938)
"Katnip Kollege" (Johnny Cat - 1938)
"Hollywood Steps Out" (1941)
"The Heckling Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Willoughby - 1941)
"Tortoise Beats Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Cecil Turtle - 1941)
"The Dover Boys at Pimento University or 'The Rivals of Roquefort Hall'" (1942)
"The Hep Cat" (Hep Cat - 1942)
"Corny Concerto" (1943)
"Rabbit Transit" (Bugs Bunny/Cecil Turtle - 1947)
"Mouse Wreckers" (Hubie and Bertie/Claude Cat - 1948)
"Bear For Punishment" (Henry, Ma, & Junyer Bear - 1951)
"Cheese Chasers" (Hubie and Bertie - 1951)
"One Froggy Evening" (Michigan J. Frog - 1955)
"Three Little Bops" (1957)
(hyperventilates and passes out)

EVERY CARTOON IS A CLASSIC! Plenty of Avery and Clampett, a whole disc of Road Runner, over half-a-dozen one shots - a huge improvement on the flaws the first set had!

Only thing is, I suspect that this'll go through some changes. I mean, now that I think of it, having so many Road Runners on one set does hinder future releases. And there's no sign of Foghorn Leghorn, Pepe Le Pew, Speedy Gonzales, Marvin the Martian, or the Tasmanian Devil, and I imagine Warner, like the last time, would want to have at least one short for each character. But hey, maybe they're realizing that not every character needs to be represented at once - and for all I know, we could hit the Foggy/Pepe/Speedy mother lodes on the third set (don't try to tell me there won't be one).

Still, it's a good bunch, and I hope this list remains mostly unchanged. In conclusion, me wantee.

[Tintin]

Of course. This is a more best content which the first. I'm impressionned. More debut-Bugs, early Porky and Daffy and one-shots cartoons :) :bosko:

[Brandon Pierce]

Well, I can't say I'm dissapointed, but I was hoping for A Wild Hare. Oh, well.
Stiil it's nice to kniow, we may soon see Book Revue with original titles!

[nakak]

cool set. thank god someone saved the original theatrical print of "Book Revue" with original titles.

BTW, I know there was a University that owns most of the 35mm films that has blue-ribboned LTs with original titles, and aside from "Book Revue", anyone has the list of others?

As for "A Wild Hare", I think the short with th3e original titles is in "GAOLT" laserdisk.

Oh, and Thad, me too. I do love the "Road Runner" series (except the Larriva ones, although there was one short that was so Jones-like, it took me a while to realize it was by Larriva). In fact, I think "Road Runner" was one of the first Looney Tunes I ever watched. That was around the time when Nickelodeon aired the shorts. I wish Nick still airs it today, although now that I think about it, there was alot of Daffy/Speedy shorts in that slot.

[Jack]

BTW, I know there was a University that owns most of the 35mm films that has blue-ribboned LTs with original titles, and aside from "Book Revue", anyone has the list of others?The UCLA Film and Television Archive got a lot of WB's studio prints of the cartoons - that is where the original "Book Revue" is located. There's no list of what original prints they have - but an original copy of "The Night Watchman" was used for a Chuck Jones retrospective, so they definately have that one.

[Vdubdavid]

I really don't want to be a wet blanket, because this sounds even better than volume 1, but how do we know that the titles for those blue ribbons have been found? The existence of titles for "Book Revue" is a fact, but for the others, we don't know. I'll believe it when Mr. Jerry Beck can lift the veil of secrecy and say the titles have been found. Even if they have been found, what will it take to get Warner Bros. to re-instate them?

[Brandon Pierce]

Jerry Beck said awhile back that WB are seaching for the original titles. He also said, that if a Blue Ribbon appeared on a DVD, it means the original titles do not exist, or could not be found anywhere.

[Pietro]

This is great! It sounds even better than the first one (especially since there are more pre-1948 cartoons included which I can hardly wait to see restored!)

I wonder if the alternate ending to "The Heckling Hare" has been restored...

-Pietro:daffy:

[Daniel P]

Wow! That's a great line-up. Seeing "Have You Got Any Castles?" with the original ending (I hope) will be exciting. I'm also glad there are a few black-and-white cartoons on there; I was afraid that WB would neglect them as the sets went along. Also, the current "Dubbed Version" of "Gorilla My Dreams" is absolutely terrible-looking... It will be nice to see that restored.


-Dan

[cabe624]

Very nice selection of cartoons; I'm very happy about all of the pre-48's. Hopefully "Book Revue" and "Have You Got Any Castles" will be non-BR. I guess the only bad thing is that there's no "Censored 11" cartoons present. Hopefully the cover art is more inspired than Vol. 1. Can't wait to see what the extras are; hopefully there will be even more than before.

[Sean Gaffney]

Oooh, this is a nice selection of titles. Book Revue! Little Red Riding Rabbit! A Corny Concerto, and not on a $1 PD tape! And a buttload of Roadrunner. I can deal with this as Volume 2 very easily. :)

[J. B. Warner]

I actually had ideas for what potential special features could be for the next volume:

Commentaries from Michael Barrier, Jerry Beck, Stan Freberg, June Foray, Linda Jones, Ruth Clampett, Eric Goldberg, Joe Dante, Noel Blanc, and Greg Ford
Uncut "Any Bonds Today?" Fundraiser
Behind the Tunes featurettes (Pepe Le Pew, Tasmanian Devil, Goofy Gophers, Three Bears, Sniffles, animators, story men, Treg Brown, Leon Schlesinger, Eddie Selzer)
Uncut "Private Snafu" shorts
Uncut "Seaman Hook" shorts
"Orange Blossoms for Violet"
More "Bugs Bunny Show" footage
"Road Runner Show" footage

And some ideas for new mini-documentaries along the lines of "Irreverent Imagination" on Volume 1:
"Of Course You Know This Means War: Looney Tunes in the US Armed Forces"
"After the Golden Age: The Work of DePatie-Freleng Enterprises"
"Zany to the Max: The Impact of Looney Tunes on Television" (highlighting the new TV animation in the 1990s such as TTA, Animaniacs, etc.)
"You Ought to Be in Pictures: Reviving the Looney Tunes on the Big Screen" (the thinking behind "Space Jam" and "LT:BIA")

[Patrick McCart]

WOW.

All 60 are worth the price, but I'm extremely happy to see the Clampett cartoons and You Ought To Be In Pictures.

[Jave]

"Old Glory" (Porky Pig - 1939)
"Book Revue" (Daffy Duck - 1946)
"Tweety Pie" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1947)
"Back Alley Op-Roar" (Elmer Fudd/Sylvester - 1948)
"Duck Soup To Nuts" (Daffy/Porky - 1944)
"Baby Bottleneck" (Daffy/Porky - 1946)
"I Love To Singa" ("Owl" Jolson - 1936)
"Have You Got Any Castles?" (1938)
"Katnip Kollege" (Johnny Cat - 1938)
"Hollywood Steps Out" (1941)
"The Hep Cat" (Hep Cat - 1942)

These are all pre-48 Blue Ribbons, I wonder how many of these will be restored. Hopefully all, of course.

I'm curious... didn't Jerry Beck confirmed that "Horton Hatches the Egg" was going to be in this set?

I specially would like to see "Little Red Riding Rabbit" restored. I've always wondered if the white fur on Bugs was supposed to look light-brown/yellow, as it looks in every print of this cartoon I've seen.

[RetroMan]

"Little Red Riding Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1944)
"Rhapsody Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1946)
"The Big Snooze" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1946)
"Slick Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1947)
"Bugs Bunny Rides Again" (Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam - 1948)
"Gorilla My Dreams" (Bugs Bunny/Gruesome Gorilla - 1948)
"Bunny Hugged" (Bugs Bunny - 1951)
"What's Opera, Doc?" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1957)
"Porky In Wackyland" (Porky Pig - 1938)
"Book Revue" (Daffy Duck - 1946)
"Kitty Kornered" (Porky/Sylvester - 1946)
"Tweety Pie" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1947)
"You Ought to Be in Pictures" (Daffy/Porky - 1940)
"Duck Soup To Nuts" (Daffy/Porky - 1944)
"Baby Bottleneck" (Daffy/Porky - 1946)
"The Great Piggy Bank Robbery" (Daffy Duck as "Duck Twacy" - 1946)
"I Love To Singa" ("Owl" Jolson - 1936)
"Have You Got Any Castles?" (1938)
"Katnip Kollege" (Johnny Cat - 1938)
"Hollywood Steps Out" (1941)
"The Heckling Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Willoughby - 1941)
"Tortoise Beats Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Cecil Turtle - 1941)
"The Dover Boys at Pimento University or 'The Rivals of Roquefort Hall'" (1942)
"The Hep Cat" (Hep Cat - 1942)
"Corny Concerto" (1943)
"One Froggy Evening" (Michigan J. Frog - 1955)
"Three Little Bops" (1957)
I can't believe this!! My all time favorites plus You Ought To Be In Pictures!! I only hope that we get to see ALL of the original titles restored (as well as the bridging music). I'll love watching Baby Bottleneck completely restored! (can't wait till November!)

[Jaime_Weinman]

I really doubt we'll see many BR titles restored -- WB re-cut the original negatives, so finding the original titles is very hard. "Book Revue" will probably have titles restored because an original-titles print exists; who knows about the others.

What I think about the arrangement is that they are splitting the difference between three segments of the audience: the completists, the general audience, and the hard-core fans. For the general audience, we get retrospectives of very popular characters like the Road Runner, Bugs, and Tweety. For the completists, these retrospectives are arranged comprehensively (so we get all the Road Runner cartoons from 1952 to 1957, and all but one of the late-40s early '50s Tweety cartoons -- the exception is "I Taw a Putty Tat"; maybe the restored version isn't ready yet). And for the hard-cores, we get a lot of pre-'48s and some of the lesser-known masterpieces like "Dover Boys." I think it's a good mix, given that they are serving several different markets here. I suspect future sets will have retrospectives of other characters (like, say, the four remaining Taz cartoons) similarly mixed with Bugs, Porky, Daffy and the less-familiar characters.

Here is how the list breaks down by director. All in all, Freleng seems to fare the best:

Jones: 22 (11 Road Runners, 11 others)
Freleng: 22 (9 Tweety cartoons, 13 others)
Clampett: 8
Avery: 4
McKimson: 2
Tashlin: 1
Dalton/Hardaway: 1

Also, the list seems to break down into four groups of 15, which is to say, four discs. It's a little awkward that the Porky and Daffy cartoons seem to be arranged as "fillers" on discs 2 and 3, but that's a minor point. Also note that if this is the final list, they are arranged chronologically, which is another improvement over the first set. (Note: the titles I've given are not official; they're just to show how the cartoons seem to be arranged.)



Disc 1
Bugs Bunny
"Hare-Brained Hypnotist" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1942)
"Little Red Riding Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1944)
"Stage Door Cartoon" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1944)
"Hare Conditioned" (Bugs Bunny - 1945)
"Rhapsody Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1946)
"The Big Snooze" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1946)
"Slick Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1947)
"Bugs Bunny Rides Again" (Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam - 1948)
"Gorilla My Dreams" (Bugs Bunny/Gruesome Gorilla - 1948)
"Bunny Hugged" (Bugs Bunny - 1951)
"French Rarebit" (Bugs Bunny/Louis and Francois - 1951)
"Baby Buggy Bunny" (Bugs Bunny/Baby-Faced Finster - 1954)
"Hyde And Hare" (Bugs Bunny - 1955)
"Broom-Stick Bunny" (Bugs Bunny/Witch Hazel - 1956)
"What's Opera, Doc?" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1957)

Disc 2
The Road Runner and Coyote
"Beep Beep" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1952)
"Going! Going! Gosh!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1952)
"Zipping Along" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1953)
"Stop! Look! and Hasten!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1954)
"Guided Muscle" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1955)
"Ready.. Set.. Zoom!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1955)
"Gee Whiz-z-z-z!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1956)
"There They Go-Go-Go!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1956)
"Scrambled Aches" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1957)
"Zoom And Bored" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1957)
"Whoa, Be-Gone!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1958)

Porky and Daffy (part 1)
"Porky In Wackyland" (Porky Pig - 1938)
"Old Glory" (Porky Pig - 1939)
"Book Revue" (Daffy Duck - 1946)
"Show Biz Bugs" (Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck - 1957)

Disc 3
Sylvester and Tweety
"Kitty Kornered" (Porky/Sylvester - 1946)
"Tweety Pie" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1947)
"Back Alley Op-Roar" (Elmer Fudd/Sylvester - 1948)
"Bad Ol' Putty Tat" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1949)
"All a Bir-r-r-rd" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1950)
"Room And Bird" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1951)
"Tweet Tweet Tweety" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1951)
"A Bird In A Guilty Cage" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Ain't She Tweet" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Gift Wrapped" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Snow Business" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1953)

Porky and Daffy (part 2)
"You Ought to Be in Pictures" (Daffy/Porky - 1940)
"Duck Soup To Nuts" (Daffy/Porky - 1944)
"Baby Bottleneck" (Daffy/Porky - 1946)
"The Great Piggy Bank Robbery" (Daffy Duck as "Duck Twacy" - 1946)

Disc 4
All-Stars
"I Love To Singa" ("Owl" Jolson - 1936)
"Have You Got Any Castles?" (1938)
"Katnip Kollege" (Johnny Cat - 1938)
"Hollywood Steps Out" (1941)
"The Heckling Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Willoughby - 1941)
"Tortoise Beats Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Cecil Turtle - 1941)
"The Dover Boys at Pimento University or 'The Rivals of Roquefort Hall'" (1942)
"The Hep Cat" (Hep Cat - 1942)
"Corny Concerto" (1943)
"Rabbit Transit" (Bugs Bunny/Cecil Turtle - 1947)
"Mouse Wreckers" (Hubie and Bertie/Claude Cat - 1948)
"Bear For Punishment" (Henry, Ma, & Junyer Bear - 1951)
"Cheese Chasers" (Hubie and Bertie - 1951)
"One Froggy Evening" (Michigan J. Frog - 1955)
"Three Little Bops" (1957)

[Nick]

*eyes bulge out*

Holy CRAP! I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!!!!!!!!

This set sounds better than the first. Well thats what I can say!

[Sean Gaffney]

One thing I did notice about the list is there are several cartoons that feature 'legendary' edits. The Heckling Hare and its cut ending, Baby Bottleneck and 'Don't touch that dial!', and Have You Got Any Castles? with its Alexander Woolcott edits. And I wonder whether they're here because Jerry & co. found the originals and wanted to get them to fans right away, or because the originals are simply gone gone gone, so best to release them now anyway.

I suspect Have You Got Any Castles? will be unedited, but Heckling Hare will still be minus the end fall #2 gag. Not sure about Baby Bottleneck. Any thoughts? Has anyone confirmed the original footage exists for the latter two?

[duck dodgers]

i'm a little disappointed for the exclusion of rhapsody rabbit,but it's a wonderful set.
i hope wave 3 will have more b/w toons,expecially tashlin's and clampett's

[duck dodgers]

One thing I did notice about the list is there are several cartoons that feature 'legendary' edits. The Heckling Hare and its cut ending, Baby Bottleneck and 'Don't touch that dial!', and Have You Got Any Castles? with its Alexander Woolcott edits. And I wonder whether they're here because Jerry & co. found the originals and wanted to get them to fans right away, or because the originals are simply gone gone gone, so best to release them now anyway.

I suspect Have You Got Any Castles? will be unedited, but Heckling Hare will still be minus the end fall #2 gag. Not sure about Baby Bottleneck. Any thoughts? Has anyone confirmed the original footage exists for the latter two?
i remember,if i'm rigth,jerry beck told me that the original footage of the heckling hare,and of red hot riding hood,i mean the cut endings,do not exist

[Daffyfan2003]

That does sound really good but I agree they need more Tashlin or Speedy or Censored or whatever. Here's are some ideas for cartoons on the next volume:

Porky Pig's Feat (possibly B&W, but hopefully with restored titles)
A Wild Hare (with original titles)
The Unruly Hare
Hare Remover
The Foghorn Leghorn (with original titles)
Scaredy Cat (with original titles)
Mississippi Hare
A Feather in his Hare
Which is Which
Bushy Hare
Tom Tom Cat
Robin Hood Daffy
Crockett Doodle Doo
A Broken Leghorn
Tobasco Road
China Jones
Two Scents Worth
A Scent of the Matterhorn
The Slick Chick
War and Pieces
West of the Pesos
Nuts and Volts

Just a few ideas I had. I tried to pic quite a few that CN doesn't play (at least, they don't play the original versions of those cartoons except maybe "Two Scents Worth," "Robin Hood Daffy" and most Foggy cartoons).

[nakak]

The Foghorn Leghorn (with original titles)
Scaredy Cat (with original titles)Dude, that IS in the first "Golden Collection"! Have you looked at the "All Stars" DVD?

[J. B. Warner]

The Foghorn Leghorn (with original titles)
Scaredy Cat (with original titles)
A Broken LeghornThese were already on the first Golden Collection.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch.

[Cartman]

Not too bad of a selection. Although I would like to see some of the Censored 11 or Bugs Bunny Censored 12, but there's always the next one.

[Jaime_Weinman]

BTW, I just figured out why "I Taw a Putty Tat" isn't on the list: the gag with Sylvester as Rochester. The WB excecs obviously still have cold feet about blackface gags. I'm actually happy to be getting "Back Alley Oproar" instead, but eventually someone is going to have to convince WB that the world won't end if some of these blackface gags find their way onto DVD, and considering how long it took to convince them just to release cartoons on DVD at all... well, it might be a while. (Unless they go the route of having a Leonard Maltin disclaimer before any cartoon that contains such a gag. Which might actually happen.)

[mac]

I can't wait for this set! There are a lot of favourites on this which I haven't seen for years and some which I have always wanted to see, but haven't! I can't believe what a great year this has been for classic animation on DVD.

[Tintin]

How supposed include a restored print of "Falling Hare"? Where he this?

[DarthGonzo]

Wow, no Tazmanian Devil cartoons?! Then how are they going to put him on the cover of the set, since we all know Taz is the most important LT character.

[Jack]

Wow, no Tazmanian Devil cartoons?! Then how are they going to put him on the cover of the set, since we all know Taz is the most important LT character.Maybe they'll include one of the more recent LT cartoons as a bonus feature, like "Superior Duck," as a justification for including him on the cover. Though, I personally think they'll either just slap a picture of "Michigan J." Frog on the cover or do something "What's Opera Doc?" themed.

[Barry Lee]

This is a good collection,I agree with soem of you where no foggy or taz.But I am a Sylvester,Porky,and Daffy fan so yeah.I wonder what the special features are.We need to get "Carrotblanca" on DVD in this collection.Maybe have a full episode of The Bugs Bunny Show with the toons included.That'll be neat.I love the first volume.Hopefully,we can have the cartoon "Road Runner vs Speedy Gonzalos" as a spec. feature.That'll be neat.Have a good day.:coyote:

[Philo & Gunge]

We need to get "Carrotblanca" on DVD in this collection.
Good news: "Carrotblanca" is on DVD
Bad news: If you get it, you have to get "Casablanca" as well and if you hate the movie, your in trouble.

[Philo & Gunge]

I think as a bonus feature we should get Chariots Of Fur on the RR disc. I doubt it will show up on (if their ever is) a DVD of Richie Rich. But Superior Duck could show up on Carpool to help it sell.

[Lee Glover]

WOW! The cartoon line-up looks even better than the first one. It's great to see a far bigger helping of pre-48 colour cartoons and two B&W Porky cartoons (I would have liked to see more of these in this collection) included in the box set. :) :D :cool:
I'm quite suprised to find "Acrobatty Bunny" isn't included in the line-up, having seen a restored print in the Marx Brothers DVD collection.

[RetroMan]

Let's hope that this time they use a decent cover for the box. I still don't understand why they used stock images for the set (and the discs themselves) instead of the proposed design with the characters in their tuxedos and a nice elegant look... say, what would you like the covers to look like for this set?

(And yes, the original ending of The Heckling Hare is gone, and when nitrate film is gone, it's gone)

[Daffysleftfoot]

It would be great if they found the original storyboard of The Heckling Hare. Then they could show everyone what the ending was supposed to be. :cool:

[hippety hopper]

That is such a brilliant line up.
I hope "Have you any castles?" is complete.

I wanna see what the features are going to be now. Shame there isn't any Foghorn or Pepe but I guess well see them in Vol 3.

[Daffyfan2003]

Dude, that IS in the first "Golden Collection"! Have you looked at the "All Stars" DVD?

No, I haven't seen it. Lol. I guess I'd better do more research.

[jeff_schiller]

Very very very very very very excited!!!

(Very)

[JCorey3rd]

it'll also be nice if they sneak in a couple Toonheads episodes to give us extra cartoons in the bonus features.

[Larry T]

Larry: WOOOOOOOTTTTTTT!!!!

Oh, boy- That is fantastic news!!!

This is great lineup of a nice cross-section of WB cartoons, and even a few "cultish" favourites (I Love to Sing-a, Katnip Kollege). What a great second wave to follow-up in the footsteps of the first fantasic set!! (*note: it took me twice as long to type this one comment because I could hardly contain my excitement.... the original sentence looked something like this: Thibsi is a grraytfg lineudsp oif a nuiecve crosaasa-sd0ttonov s;lsdfg WB Caojekfaslgadsg;ksgs/./......AAAGGHHH) :p

I'm happy to hear that many of the pre-48s will be on this set. Jerry said that if the original credits to the BR releases can be found, they will be included. This is what I'd like to speculate on this set:

"Old Glory" (Porky Pig - 1939) - could they have possibly found an original of this one?? THAT would be great to see!!

"Book Revue" (Daffy Duck - 1946)- this one will definitely have its original titles restored. It exists at UCLA's film archive.

"Tweetie Pie" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1947) - this will probably NOT have restored titles. It's one of the problem "LOST" titles.

"Back Alley Op-Roar" (Elmer Fudd/Sylvester - 1948) - I KNOW a 35mm print of this exists with original titles... it toured with the WB cartoon art exhibit in the mid 80s that I saw in Toronto

"Duck Soup To Nuts" (Daffy/Porky - 1944) - keeping my fingers crossed to see this original- Jerry listed all the credits in his book, so maybe he read them from an original

"Baby Bottleneck" (Daffy/Porky - 1946) - John Lee said he saw the original air on TV in the 80s- so we know this will probably have original titles

"I Love To Singa" ("Owl" Jolson - 1936) - Chances are good this has original titles too, since it's so popular someone might still have packed away an original- at least we have the Avery 35mm titles Sogturtle bought

"Have You Got Any Castles?" (1938) - Chances are this will probably have original titles- Jerry's got screenshots from it on his website

"Katnip Kollege" (Johnny Cat - 1938) - Jerry said the titles for this one are unavailable as well.... unless someone located a print or are "restoring" one using the artwork shown on his website

"Hollywood Steps Out" (1941) - OMG!! HAS THAT ORIGINAL PRINT SODY CLAMPETT TALKED ABOUT FINALLY BEEN LOCATED??? (you know, the one with proper titles and the irised-out Gable ending...????)

"The Hep Cat" (Hep Cat - 1942) - Good chance this will have original titles as well... Jerry's got them listed in his book.

The Math:

2/11 definitely will most likely not be restored.

5/11 could possibly be restored.

4/11 almost positively will have restored titles.. :cool: The odds are looking good....

I guess we'll see Dog Gone Cats and A Wild Hare with original titles on the next instalment... :bosko:

[Jack]

"Back Alley Op-Roar" (Elmer Fudd/Sylvester - 1948) - I KNOW a 35mm print of this exists with original titles... it toured with the WB cartoon art exhibit in the mid 80s that I saw in TorontoThis is sort of off-topic, but do you remember what the titles looked like? I realize that must have been near 20 years ago, though.

I remember emailing Jerry Beck and asking about the titles to "Have You Got Any Castles?" and he said something along the lines of he wasn't able to look at them, as the person who owned that original print was very protective of it. But that was some time ago, and I lost the email, forgetting what was exactly said.

[Cdawg]

A great collection! - I hope that it will be like they say. A lot of my favorites are on this one. I'll miss seeing old Foggy this time around, but the old saying goes: "Good things come to those who wait! I hope that we will soon get "A Wild Hare" because I don't even have a complete copy of it.:bugs1:

It is kind of surprising that Acrobatty Bunny & The Daffy Doc aren't on here.
They look great on the Marx Brothers box set!

Cdawg

[Davesnothere]

Man, I've had a busy day (In The Shade Of The Apple Tree with The Lady Who Couldn't Be Kissed)...I didn't find this until it was on its third page!

I like the selections, as long as The Golden Collection runs until there's no more shorts left to release, I can be patient for certain titles. I do wish they'd release new ones six months apart instead of a year or more. A third one out by Ramahannukwanzmas would've made this an incredible year!

If you guys really want something fun to speculate on, how about guessing the contents of the final Golden Collection? Start a new thread if you dare. :D

[Larry T]

This is sort of off-topic, but do you remember what the titles looked like? I realize that must have been near 20 years ago, though.Hey, Jacky... first here's my disclaimer, because if my memory fails me I don't want anybody putting words in my mouth: When I saw this cartoon I was in college- also legally in my mid-20s- amidst making the best of my "halcyon" years" ;) - and I was seeing a lot of cartoons for the first time, plus this one came on as a surprise, so I wasn't anticipating it.

But... I seem to remember the Merrie Melodies targets being orange or orange/red.. and the main title card resembling a playbill on a brick wall with the title "Back Alley Oproar" on it. The scene MIGHT HAVE panned to another place on the wall with the contributor's credits written on other billposts.... then moved to a night shot either in the sky or the alley with the "Directed By" credit on it.... But remember, I might be mixing this one up with another cartoon I'd have seen during that time... I was making a huge effort to study many types of animation while in school :sweat:, and as I mentioned, saw a lot of cartoons that I either had never seen, or never seen in many years... come to think of it, I actually might have seen this one during one of Reg Hartt's cartoon marathons, or during an in-house show arranged by we, the students... darn all that college vodka :anime: ...!!

[nakak]

well, I hope that print of "Back Alley Oproar" you saw still exists. It's gotta be, I mean, the whole credits is listed in many animation books, so hopefully it still exists.

God, whoever decided to make these "blue ribbon" titles, I hope (s)he is in hell.

[rodney]

Looks like a fantastic set. Can't wait for this one. Great choice of cartoons. Nobody should have any complaints this time around.

[bradvickers69]

Why can't Time Warner just release the cartoons the same way like MGM/UA did for the laser disc collection? Each side/disc had a theme: one character, un-pc, one-shots, director, hollywood, etc... Plus who cares if HAVE YOU GOT ANY CASTLES get the title card if WB will/might censor the cartoon?

[jeff_schiller]

God, whoever decided to make these "blue ribbon" titles, I hope (s)he is in hell. Do you think he/she did it out of ignorance or as an evil act? Personally, I think it was ignorance.

Call me a creampuff, but I think dooming someone to eternal damnation with no hope of reprieve just because I don't get to see some cartoon drawings is a little excessive. :p ;)

Regards,
Jeff

[duck dodgers]

jerry beck,at cartoon brew,says that the extras bonus feature will be really amazing...

[Billy]

You're right:



I'm bound by a confidentiality agreement not to discuss the contents of the LOONEY TUNES GOLDEN COLLECTION volume 2 (due out in November).

However, a list of the cartoon contents has leaked to the internet (see here (http://www.animationshow.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=945&)) and the buzz on several message boards is very enthusiastic.
I won't confirm or deny the contents just yet, but I will tell you one thing: wait'll you see the list of bonus materials!

:D

[Jave]

Plus who cares if HAVE YOU GOT ANY CASTLES get the title card if WB will/might censor the cartoon?
WHAT!?

[jeff_schiller]

" However, a list of the cartoon contents has leaked to the internet (see here (http://www.animationshow.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=945&))"

That would seem to me to authenticate the list ;)

[stevea]

I gotta think they fount the 'Tweetie Pie' titles somewhere; I'm not sure they'd want to include the old, 'title-less' Blue Ribbons. This whole Blue Ribbon issue seems to be something they (meaning Jerry) care about. I'd be willing to bet they have 'Duck Soup to Nuts' and 'Book Revue'--the 'eagle eyes' among us will look for clues to the edits.I will really be interested to see if they made any effort with the later Blue Ribbons, such as 'Beep Beep' , 'Bunny Hugged', 'Bad Ol' Putty Tat', etc.
Although I care about this, and Jerry Beck cares, I'm not sure...of course, I'm not sure the originals even exist!

[Frizfrelengfan]

If the news item is true, WOW! Lots of pre-'48s, lots of the best that WB ever made, and a couple that I haven't seen in years ("Dover Boys," "Katnip Kollege").

[Pietro]

It would be great to see a complete, unedited "Hollywood Steps Out." I wonder where Warner's got it, since, last I heard, it was lost (both the LT&MM guide and Joe Adamson's Tex Avery book do not list any credits).

BTW, what's the story with "Tweetie Pie?" Is the original really lost?

-Pietro:daffy:

[Jave]

BTW, what's the story with "Tweetie Pie?" Is the original really lost?

-Pietro:daffy:Jerry Beck once said that no original material of "Tweetie Pie" was ever found, therefore catalogating the original as "LOST". A weird thing is that Dave Mackey's site lists all the credits, dunno where they got it from.

It's sad that, out of all the pre-48 BR that will be on the second, THIS cartoon is the one with less chance of being restored, considering the gigantic historical significance of it. I doubt though, that "Hollywood Steps Out" will have original titles as well, Jerry would have probably made the credits availaible by now.

But if magic can happen, and all cartoons in the set appear with original titles, we won't only have the "Censored 11", the "Bugs Banned 11" and the "Larriva 11", but the "Restored 11" as well!

[John Pannozzi]

I actually had ideas for what potential special features could be for the next volume:

Commentaries from Michael Barrier, Jerry Beck, Stan Freberg, June Foray, Linda Jones, Ruth Clampett, Eric Goldberg, Joe Dante, Noel Blanc, and Greg Ford
Uncut "Any Bonds Today?" Fundraiser
Behind the Tunes featurettes (Pepe Le Pew, Tasmanian Devil, Goofy Gophers, Three Bears, Sniffles, animators, story men, Treg Brown, Leon Schlesinger, Eddie Selzer)
Uncut "Private Snafu" shorts
Uncut "Seaman Hook" shorts
"Orange Blossoms for Violet"
More "Bugs Bunny Show" footage
"Road Runner Show" footage

And some ideas for new mini-documentaries along the lines of "Irreverent Imagination" on Volume 1:
"Of Course You Know This Means War: Looney Tunes in the US Armed Forces"
"After the Golden Age: The Work of DePatie-Freleng Enterprises"
"Zany to the Max: The Impact of Looney Tunes on Television" (highlighting the new TV animation in the 1990s such as TTA, Animaniacs, etc.)
"You Ought to Be in Pictures: Reviving the Looney Tunes on the Big Screen" (the thinking behind "Space Jam" and "LT:BIA")
Great ideas, J.B. There was a thread dedicated to ideas for LT:GC2 extras at http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=102047 and I'll repeat the suggestions I made there now:

Bridging footage from the compilation films

2-D and 3-D versions of "Lumber-Jack Rabbit" and "Marvin the Martain in the 3rd Dimension" and have 3-D glasses in the box for the 3-D versions (kinda like Spy Kids 3-D or the box set version of Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare)

Bridging footage from the TV Specials

The TV documentaries "Bugs Bunny/Looney Tunes 50th Anniversary Special" and "Happy Birthday Bugs!: 50 Looney Years"

P.S.: I want "Duck! Rabbit, Duck!" on GC2 since the first 2 were on Vol.1

[Nick]

WHAT!?
I was thinking the same thing. :confused:


But... I seem to remember the Merrie Melodies targets being orange or orange/red.. and the main title card resembling a playbill on a brick wall with the title "Back Alley Oproar" on it. The scene MIGHT HAVE panned to another place on the wall with the contributor's credits written on other billposts.... then moved to a night shot either in the sky or the alley with the "Directed By" credit on it.... But remember, I might be mixing this one up with another cartoon I'd have seen during that time... I was making a huge effort to study many types of animation while in school :sweat: , and as I mentioned, saw a lot of cartoons that I either had never seen, or never seen in many years... come to think of it, I actually might have seen this one during one of Reg Hartt's cartoon marathons, or during an in-house show arranged by we, the students... darn all that college vodka :anime: ...!!

I though that the titles might look something like that.

http://www.davemackey.com/animation/wb/titlecards/4748mm.jpg

With "The Hep Cat", I think that credits and title were given over the cat dancing on the fence. There is about four seconds of him dancing left in the Blue Ribbon. The opening credits were almost certainly the Porky/Daffy titles, even though neither of the characters appeared in the film.

In addition with the Blue Ribbons, I can't wait to see "Gorilla My Dreams", "Rabbit Transit" and "Rhapsody Rabbit" restored, since the dubbed versions look terrible. :bugs1:

[stevea]

In addition with the Blue Ribbons, I can't wait to see "Gorilla My Dreams", "Rabbit Transit" and "Rhapsody Rabbit" restored, since the dubbed versions look terrible. :bugs1:
It'll probably be a difference like 'Baseball Bugs' was on GC1.

[Vdubdavid]

I would think that for these BRs, the titles must have been found, because I think that Mr. Beck had more control over the contents this go around, and I don't think he would disappoint us. I'm of the belief that if the titles haven't been found, then hold off releasing them until absolutely necessary on the off chance that they turn up.

[nakak]

This is OT, while on the subject of Blue Ribbon, does Tex Avery's "Of Fox and Hounds" exist with original titles? Because on Dave Mackey's website, it actually lists the fake credit gags that was originally in that short. for example- "Supervision: Draft No. 412".

While on that credit gag, anyone know who was Draft No. 1312 and Draft No. 6102?

[Emmanuel Cruz]

Why do I always find out good things after everyone else has?:(

Boy, am I ecstatic over reading this! I'm happy for seeing B&W Porkys (My favorite WB cartoons), pre-48s, more Avery and Clampett, at least one Tashlin (It's a crime there isn't more for Tash, Clam, and Ave) and many musical cartoons. I'm also happy to see one cartoon outside of the main 6 directors(Dalton and Howard's "Katnip Kollege.)

I'm a big fan of musical cartoons, and many of my favorites are in this set, like Rhapsody Rabbit, Katnip Kollege, Three Little Bops, and What's Opera Doc?

I hope they present the B&W cartoons IN B&W with a special feature where you can view it in either the computer colorized or redrawn version as well.

I hope the BRs get restored. I've been dying to see Have You Got Any Castles with the cut footage.

I hope this disc with be a gift from above, and from reading what Jerry wrote about the special features, I'm very optimistic!

-Emmanuel:bosko:

[Jave]

I just noticed that "Have You Got Any Castles" is the first WB cartoon on the LT DVDs that has un-PC stuff (the "Green Pastures" scene), I hope this encourages future releases to have some of the "Censored 11" in it.

For that matter, I'm curious on listening to the commentaries on "Castles".

[stevea]

I just noticed that "Have You Got Any Castles" is the first WB cartoon on the LT DVDs that has un-PC stuff (the "Green Pastures" scene), I hope this encourages future releases to have some of the "Censored 11" in it.

For that matter, I'm curious on listening to the commentaries on "Castles".
What about 'Frigid Hare' and 'Speedy Gonzalez'? These are certainly never shown on CN anymore.

I thought all SG was out-of-bounds for the PC crowd.

[Killtacular]

What about 'Frigid Hare' and 'Speedy Gonzalez'? These are certainly never shown on CN anymore.

I thought all SG was out-of-bounds for the PC crowd.
Both have run on CN but not without irritating editting.

[Jave]

What about 'Frigid Hare' and 'Speedy Gonzalez'? These are certainly never shown on CN anymore.

I thought all SG was out-of-bounds for the PC crowd.Those are not banned entirely, they have popped up on CN, it's stuff with black characters that is deemed too UN-PC for TV.

In fact, Speedy Gonzales (the whole series of cartoons) is pretty much overplayed in Latin America, Mexico included, the country he is SUPPOSED to offend. But the people from Mexico that I've met, said that they like the character, a lot.

[stevea]

One reason I thought CN skipped 'Frigid hare' is that is was not on June Bugs.

[Daffyfan2003]

Yeah, CN doesn't play quite as many Warner Bros. cartoons as they used to in general. It has been only one hour a week so far. So with a short amount of time like that. They probably don't take into consideration playing rare cartoons like "Frigid Hare" and the Speedy cartoons. Hopefully, with the show on Sunday's now, they'll start to play those more often.

[jeff_schiller]

Yeah, CN doesn't play quite as many Warner Bros. cartoons as they used to in general. It has been only one hour a week so far.
FYI, they started another hour on Sunday (same time) last week so technically they're up to 2 hours a week, though over half the time it's cartoons we see on regular rotation (how many times will they include What's Opera Doc?).

Regards,
Jeff

[Jaime_Weinman]

I've always thought it would be a good idea, where the original titles are irretrievably lost, to just create new titles. Take "Tweety Pie." Somebody said in another thread that the main title music was probably the same as in "Kit for Cat." (Unless I'm misremembering.) And even though the credits are lost, we know who worked on the cartoon because we know what Freleng's unit was at the time (story, Pierce and Maltese, animation, Chiniquy/Ross/Champin/Perez, etc). Creating a new title sequence with those credits and the music from "Kit for Cat" would be quite feasible, at least on home video.

[Larry T]

Take "Tweety Pie." Somebody said in another thread that the main title music was probably the same as in "Kit for Cat." (Unless I'm misremembering.)
No, I said I have a print that has the CORRECT title music (which is also heard for a brief point in "Kit For Cat") but has the BR titles superimposed over top of them. True, this could be used to re-create the titles for re-release.

But with "Tweetie Pie" for example, I find it hard to believe that there isn't an original SOMEWHERE. It was an Oscar Winner, for crying out loud. There must be at least one private collector who has it with original titles (now whether or not this person ever comes forward, well- that's another story).

[stevea]

You're right, SOMEONE probably has it and many of the others. Problem could be, sometimes people have stuff and don't know they have it, don't care, or don't have the interest.

[Jack]

But with "Tweetie Pie" for example, I find it hard to believe that there isn't an original SOMEWHERE. It was an Oscar Winner, for crying out loud. There must be at least one private collector who has it with original titles (now whether or not this person ever comes forward, well- that's another story). If a private collector has them, it's possible the person has no idea WB is looking for the titles. I think that's the biggest problem with WB's secrecy over this stuff (such as not letting Jerry Beck tell us anything at all). They are looking for titles in film archives and in known private collections, but how many titles might be in someone's smaller collection? Or in the form of a few film snippets like the ones that miraculously appeared on ebay? A lot of people aren't aware that Warner Bros. doesn't have everything, or even that the blue ribbons aren't original.

It'd be nice if there was a list of what hasn't been found posted online, like the list of the lost Columbia cartoons.


Jack:bosko:

[Cartman]

In fact, Speedy Gonzales (the whole series of cartoons) is pretty much overplayed in Latin America, Mexico included, the country he is SUPPOSED to offend. But the people from Mexico that I've met, said that they like the character, a lot.
Did these Mexicans by any chance tell the corporate executives at Time Warner about this yet?:D I bet that would take care of the problem.

[JCorey3rd]

If a private collector has them, it's possible the person has no idea WB is looking for the titles. I think that's the biggest problem with WB's secrecy over this stuff (such as not letting Jerry Beck tell us anything at all). They are looking for titles in film archives and in known private collections, but how many titles might be in someone's smaller collection? Or in the form of a few film snippets like the ones that miraculously appeared on ebay? A lot of people aren't aware that Warner Bros. doesn't have everything, or even that the blue ribbons aren't original


Jack:bosko:
Many private collectors remain private collectors by not letting the studios know that they have things. They went after Roddy McDowell for his collection.

[Vdubdavid]

I for one can't quite understand why Warners keeps this type of thing under wraps for so long. I realize that not all the news about the cartoons' condition is positive, but the majority is, and can only serve to make everyone more excited when it comes out. I mean, it isn't as if someone else can beat them to the punch and restore the cartoons first.

[Dogbert]

I for one can't quite understand why Warners keeps this type of thing under wraps for so long. I realize that not all the news about the cartoons' condition is positive, but the majority is, and can only serve to make everyone more excited when it comes out. I mean, it isn't as if someone else can beat them to the punch and restore the cartoons first.

My guess would be that they want to be sure that if they choose to remove a feature (or some other negative action) the public will be unaware and won't complain. After all, if they don't include the RR DVD in the set, won't a lot of us complain to them. While it is very unlikely that there would be any financial backlash for removing a feature after the public learns of it, they most likely would rather not take a chance.

[Merrytoon]

I'm very excited for this one. Lets hope for more behind the scenes extras, which made the first Gold Collection well worth the $50 by itself.

[frogboxer]

If this is actually the set they'll release and all the cartoons are uncut, I'm going to be a very happy camper!

[Jaime_Weinman]

I wonder if they'll be able to restore "I don't mean Mahatma Gandhi" to their print of "Bugs Bunny Rides Again?"

[Sean Gaffney]

Regarding the Blue Ribbons again...

2nd set cartoons with 'missing title' Blue Ribbon prints:

I Love to Singa, Katnip Kollege, Have You Got Any Castles?, Old Glory, Hollywood Steps Out, The Hep Cat, Duck Soup to Nuts, Book Revue, Baby Bottleneck, Tweetie Pie, Back Alley Op-Roar

2nd set cartoons with titles but with Blue Ribbon opening circles:

Mouse Wreckers, Bad Ol' Putty Tat, All Abir-r-rd, Bunny Hugged, Room and Bird, French Rarebit, Cheese Chasers, A Bear for Punishment, Tweet Tweet Tweety, Beep Beep!, Ain't She Tweet, A Bird in a Guilty Cage

Of the first set, we can be positive that Katnip Kollege and Book Revue will have restored titles. Tweetie Pie I'm guessing won't, as Jerry's brought it up as an example of a cartoon whose titles are missing from the original print, if I recall correctly. I'm also guessing Have You Got Any Castles? will have original titles, as I can't imagine them putting it on such an early set if it weren't the original 'Woolcott' print.

Of the 2nd set, I honestly have no idea. It's harder to find the original rings for these, if the first Golden Collection is anything to go by.

Any thoughts?

[Jack]

Of the first set, we can be positive that Katnip Kollege and Book Revue will have restored titles. Tweetie Pie I'm guessing won't, as Jerry's brought it up as an example of a cartoon whose titles are missing from the original print, if I recall correctly. I'm also guessing Have You Got Any Castles? will have original titles, as I can't imagine them putting it on such an early set if it weren't the original 'Woolcott' print.

Of the 2nd set, I honestly have no idea. It's harder to find the original rings for these, if the first Golden Collection is anything to go by.

Any thoughts?The Katnip Kollege title posted at Jerry's site is just a photograph of the original artwork which still exists in the hands of a private collector, so it's still not a sure thing that it will be restored.

I don't think it's harder to find the original rings for the post 1948 blue ribbons. It's well known that the original rings for "The Scarlett Pumpernickel" are held by UCLA, for example. It seems to me that they must not be concerned with restoring the titles to cartoons that still retain the original credit sequence. I imagine that when "The Mighty Hunters" finally makes its way to DVD that it will probably still be a blue ribbon unless the "The End" title really bothers someone.

[J Lee]

I've always thought it would be a good idea, where the original titles are irretrievably lost, to just create new titles. Take "Tweety Pie." Somebody said in another thread that the main title music was probably the same as in "Kit for Cat." (Unless I'm misremembering.) And even though the credits are lost, we know who worked on the cartoon because we know what Freleng's unit was at the time (story, Pierce and Maltese, animation, Chiniquy/Ross/Champin/Perez, etc). Creating a new title sequence with those credits and the music from "Kit for Cat" would be quite feasible, at least on home video. Why do that? Anyone with access to a VCR and WTBS between about 1980 and 1987 had dozens of chances to tape to the musical opening for Tweety Pie, since for some strange reason, some prints were struck that had the Blue Ribbon titles, but the original music (which began with the 1945-55 WB opening music during the AAP title and continued over into the normal Blue Ribbon opening). If they can't find the original graphics, recreating the "look" of the 1940s eras titles could be done over the actual music with little difficulty (and if you've never heard it, the music is similar, but slightly longer, than the opening music Stalling used for Clampett's "The Wise-Quacking Duck")

[Boy Wonder]

This makes me happy. That toon list is awesome, and probably even better than the first. Thanks Jon, I haven't been here awhile (due to other things) and I get good news first thing at 8:00 AM (even though its been here a few days).

[MJEToons81]

Could you please remind me of the pre-order date for this follow-up to the "Golden Collection"? I am willing to get my hands on this!!!

Regards: Looney Tunes Golden Collection Vol. 2

Ben (MJEToons81)

[Larry T]

For a limited time.....

If you'd like to hear the original credits to "Tweetie Pie", here's a link to an MP3 of the music:

http://members.rogers.com/kitty_face/TweetiePie.mp3

[Jon Cooke]

For a limited time.....

If you'd like to hear the original credits to "Tweetie Pie", here's a link to an MP3 of the music:

http://members.rogers.com/kitty_face/TweetiePie.mp3


Wow, that's great! I'd never heard that before. Thanks, Larry! :sylvester :tweety:


-Jon

[Tintin]

For a limited time.....

If you'd like to hear the original credits to "Tweetie Pie", here's a link to an MP3 of the music:

http://members.rogers.com/kitty_face/TweetiePie.mp3It's a very goodie Larry!!

How the music from the original title card name "Kitty Face" like the name of this adress Larry? Than you, you're one of our only hope!!!!

[J Lee]

For a limited time.....

If you'd like to hear the original credits to "Tweetie Pie", here's a link to an MP3 of the music:

http://members.rogers.com/kitty_face/TweetiePie.mp3
Thanks for the audio expansion on my post, Larry. One mp3 is worth a thousand words... ;)

[Jave]

Nice mp3, Larry.

How does it go, anyway? Does the sequence freeze during the BR title screen for the whole music to play?

[Daffysleftfoot]

I don't know how accurate this is, but here's a list from http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=1731

"Hare-Brained Hypnotist" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1942)
"Little Red Riding Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1944)
"Stage Door Cartoon" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1944)
"Hare Conditioned" (Bugs Bunny - 1945)
"Rhapsody Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny - 1946)
"The Big Snooze" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1946)
"Slick Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1947)
"Bugs Bunny Rides Again" (Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam - 1948)
"Gorilla My Dreams" (Bugs Bunny/Gruesome Gorilla - 1948)
"Bunny Hugged" (Bugs Bunny - 1951)
"French Rarebit" (Bugs Bunny/Louis and Francois - 1951)
"Baby Buggy Bunny" (Bugs Bunny/Baby-Faced Finster - 1954)
"Hyde And Hare" (Bugs Bunny - 1955)
"Broom-Stick Bunny" (Bugs Bunny/Witch Hazel - 1956)
"What's Opera, Doc?" (Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd - 1957)
"Beep Beep" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1952)
"Going! Going! Gosh!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1952)
"Zipping Along" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1953)
"Stop! Look! and Hasten!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1954)
"Guided Muscle" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1955)
"Ready.. Set.. Zoom!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1955)
"Gee Whiz-z-z-z!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1956)
"There They Go-Go-Go!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1956)
"Scrambled Aches" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1957)
"Zoom And Bored" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1957)
"Whoa, Be-Gone!" (Road Runner/Coyote - 1958)
"Porky In Wackyland" (Porky Pig - 1938)
"Old Glory" (Porky Pig - 1939)
"Book Revue" (Daffy Duck - 1946)
"Show Biz Bugs" (Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck - 1957)
"Kitty Kornered" (Porky/Sylvester - 1946)
"Tweety Pie" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1947)
"Back Alley Op-Roar" (Elmer Fudd/Sylvester - 1948)
"Bad Ol' Putty Tat" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1949)
"All a Bir-r-r-rd" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1950)
"Room And Bird" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1951)
"Tweet Tweet Tweety" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1951)
"A Bird In A Guilty Cage" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Ain't She Tweet" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Gift Wrapped" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1952)
"Snow Business" (Sylvester/Tweety - 1953)
"You Ought to Be in Pictures" (Daffy/Porky - 1940)
"Duck Soup To Nuts" (Daffy/Porky - 1944)
"Baby Bottleneck" (Daffy/Porky - 1946)
"The Great Piggy Bank Robbery" (Daffy Duck as "Duck Twacy" - 1946)
"I Love To Singa" ("Owl" Jolson - 1936)
"Have You Got Any Castles?" (1938)
"Katnip Kollege" (Johnny Cat - 1938)
"Hollywood Steps Out" (1941)
"The Heckling Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Willoughby - 1941)
"Tortoise Beats Hare" (Bugs Bunny/Cecil Turtle - 1941)
"The Dover Boys at Pimento University or 'The Rivals of Roquefort Hall'" (1942)
"The Hep Cat" (Hep Cat - 1942)
"Corny Concerto" (1943)
"Rabbit Transit" (Bugs Bunny/Cecil Turtle - 1947)
"Mouse Wreckers" (Hubie and Bertie/Claude Cat - 1948)
"Bear For Punishment" (Henry, Ma, & Junyer Bear - 1951)
"Cheese Chasers" (Hubie and Bertie - 1951)
"One Froggy Evening" (Michigan J. Frog - 1955)
"Three Little Bops" (1957)
Ummmm......... the link doesn't work anymore for some reason. But that's okay. We've all gotten what we wanted out of it anyway. No big worry.;)

[Larry T]

Thanks for the audio expansion on my post, Larry. One mp3 is worth a thousand words... ;)
You're welcome, I completely forgot that the theme music was the same as the piece used in "The Wise Quacking Duck".... The only connection I had ever made is that it was also used in "Kit For Cat", as I said, when the kitten is playing with the ball of yarn.


How does it go, anyway? Does the sequence freeze during the BR title screen for the whole music to play?
Actually, the A.A.P. starts showing, then the music begins. When the BR WB-shield and title card appear, they are way off-sync with what you're hearing. By the time the cartoon starts, everything is back on track.... it looks really kind of dumb.... darn ol' BRs. :shrug:

[Daniel P]

Thanks for uploading that, Larry! :D :tweety:


Ummmm......... the link doesn't work anymore for some reason. But that's okay. We've all gotten what we wanted out of it anyway. No big worry.;)The link works fine for me...


-Dan

[Pietro]

Thanks Larry! This is a real treat!

I really wish someone would uncover the title card art for "Tweetie Pie." It has to be somewhere.

-Pietro:daffy:

[Nick]

That sound file is great! Thanks Larry.

I've heard that the complete music to the "The Good Egg" and "The Mouse-Merized Cat" were featured on some of the Carl Stalling CDs. Could anyone put those on Mp3?

[Brandon Pierce]

Did these Mexicans by any chance tell the corporate executives at Time Warner about this yet?:D I bet that would take care of the problem.Time Warner WERE informed that latin America people do not find Speedy offensive, back when we did that "Speedy potition". The problem is Cartoon Network is so pissed at us right now, they are "punishing" us by still keeping Speedy off the air.

[Bobby B]

I wonder if they'll be able to restore "I don't mean Mahatma Gandhi" to their print of "Bugs Bunny Rides Again?"


Turner has a print of this version; it used to air on WTBS.

[Lee Glover]

It's great to hear that mp3 track. Cheers, Larry! :sylvester :tweety:

[Daffysleftfoot]

Hey, when do you think clip-show toons like His Hair Raising Tale, Feather Bluster, or Tweet Dreams will show up on a LT DVD? :shrug:

[jeff_schiller]

Anybody try to figure out the layout? It looks like a large batch of RR cartoons and a large batch of Tweety/Sylvester cartoons, so it's a good chance these will be their own DVDs.

I'm wondering if a full DVD worth of Road Runner or Tweety/Sylvester cartoons will get monotonous after the third/fourth cartoons of each? They are very formulaic with the black-out gags and the theme.

It also sounds like there will could be a "musical" cartoon DVD (Corny Concerto, Three Little Bops, I Love To Singa, Katnip Kollege, One Froggy Evening, etc).

Personall I would much prefer they mix it up throughout all the DVDs, it would make for a more pallatable viewing experience (I don't have a multi-disc DVD player).

Anybody else have any thoughts?

Regards,
Jeff

[jeff_schiller]

I also have another question:

I've seen "Have You Got Any Castles?" on so many public domain tapes, does the inclusion of this cartoon in the Golden Collection signify anything with respect to its copyright/public domain status?

If I add "theoretically" to my question above, could Jerry Beck answer? ;)

Thanks,
Jeff

[Daniel P]

Personall I would much prefer they mix it up throughout all the DVDs, it would make for a more pallatable viewing experience ...I prefer having all of the cartoons in chronological order, starting from 1929 to 1969... but I'm pretty comfortable with the way they have it set up now, I suppose. When all of those parents and kids were complaining about The Complete Goofy and Mickey Mouse in Black and White not having a play-all feature, I didn't care because I rarely use the play-all feature anyway. I like to skip around and watch some cartoons multiple times. Besides, it'd be a lot harder to find that one Road Runner cartoon you want to watch if there are fifteen of them mixed up on four discs...


I've seen "Have You Got Any Castles?" on so many public domain tapes, does the inclusion of this cartoon in the Golden Collection signify anything with respect to its copyright/public domain status?I believe there was a public domain cartoon on the first Golden Collection, I think Yanky Doodle Daffy.


-Dan

[Nick]

I believe there was a public domain cartoon on the first Golden Collection, I think Yanky Doodle Daffy.

-Dan

"Lumber Jerks", also in the public domain, was also on the first Golden Collection.

[jeff_schiller]

I guess once something becomes public domain, it cannot revert back to copyright? But I guess restoring the cartoon constitutes a WB claim to ownership. Just curious how it all works.

[Greg Method]

"Lumber Jerks", also in the public domain, was also on the first Golden Collection.
I am pretty sure "Lumber Jerks" was never really in the public domain, despite the fact that it did show up on such tapes.

I don't know exactly how post-48 shorts such as "Lumber Jerks," "The Lion's Busy," or "Gift Wrapped" even got into the hands of public domain companies, but I'm going to guess that most of them didn't know what they had anyway. If they were told their 16mm prints were of public domain films, then most likely they didn't bother to double check for each individual title.

I know for a fact that "Gift Wrapped" was renewed, and all of the redrawns that show up on PD tapes are fully copyrighted by WB (and were renewed throughout the 1990s, as well!). So I'm going to have to assume that the other shorts like "Lumber Jerks" must have been renewed as well. It doesn't seem as if the company would have let just one or two films slip by.

[Pietro]

I know for a fact that "Gift Wrapped" was renewed, and all of the redrawns that show up on PD tapes are fully copyrighted by WB (and were renewed throughout the 1990s, as well!). So I'm going to have to assume that the other shorts like "Lumber Jerks" must have been renewed as well. It doesn't seem as if the company would have let just one or two films slip by.
Here is a list (to my knowledge) of all single copyrighted Warner cartoons that have been seen on public domain tapes in the past:

"Ali Baba Bound" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Angel Puss"
"Baby Bottleneck"
"Billboard Frolics"
"Bosko the Drawback"
"Bosko the Sheep-Herder"
"Bosko the Speed King"
"Bosko's Dizzy Date"
"Bosko's Picture Show"
"Bosko's Woodland Daze"
"Buddy's Day Out"
"Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips"
"Calling Dr. Porky"
"The Case of the Stuttering Pig"
"Clean Pastures"
"Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs"
"Corn Plastered"
"A Coy Decoy" (Redrawn Colorized)
"The Country Boy"
"The Daffy Doc" (Redrawn Colorized)
"The Daffy Duckaroo" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Daffy's Southern Exposure" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Double Chaser"
"A Feather in his Hare"
"The Foxy Duckling"
"The Gay Anties"
"Gee Whiz-z-z-z-z-z-z"
"Get Rich Quick Porky" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Gold Diggers of '49"
"Goldilocks and the Jivin' Bears"
"Greetings Bait"
"Gift Wrapped"
"The Hare-Brained Hypnotist"
"Hare-um Scare-um"
"The Henpecked Duck" (Redrawn Colorized)
"I Like Mountain Music"
"I Only Have Eyes for You"
"The Impatient Patient" (Redrawn Colorized)
"The Isle of Pingo-Pongo"
"Kitty Kornered"
"Kristopher Kolumbus Jr."
"The Lion's Busy"
"Little Beau Porky"
"The Lone Stranger and Porky"
"Lumber Jerks"
"Lumber Jack Rabbit"
"Notes To You" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Nutty News"
"Often an Orphan"
"Pizza Tweety Pie"
"Plenty of Money and You"
"Pop 'em Pop!"
"Porky in Wackyland"
"Porky's Ant" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Porky's Bear Facts" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Porky's Cafe" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Porky's Garden" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Porky's Hare Hunt"
"Porky's Midnight Matinee" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Porky's Movie Mystery"
"Porky's Phoney Express"
"Porky's Picnic"
"Porky's Pooch" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Porky's Prize Pony" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Porky's Railroad" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Porky's Romance"
"Puss N' Booty"
"Rhapsody Rabbit"
"Robinson Crusoe, Jr." (Redrawn Colorized)
"Scalp Trouble"
"A Star is Hatched"
"Sunday Go to Meetin' Time"
"Swallow the Leader"
"Those Beautiful Dames"
"The Timid Toreador" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Tin Pan Alley Cats"
"Tom Turk and Daffy"
"Uncle Tom's Bungalow"
"The Unruly Hare"
"The Up-Standing Sitter"
"The Wacky Worm"
"We, the Animals Squeak" (Redrawn Colorized)
"Westward Whoa!"
"Which is Witch?"

-Pietro:daffy:

[cabe624]

I hope that most if not all of the blue ribbon reissues on Vol. 2 are restored...

When these cartoons were originally released, they were distributed to theaters all over the country – which is probably hundreds of prints. What happened to these prints? Were they sent back to the studio and burned after the theater was done running them? I'm sure that some theater owner out there kept some of the prints that he got. Even if no one did, why would the studio destroy hundreds upon hundreds of prints? This is something I've never understood.

[Tintin]

"Corn Plastered"
"Gee Whiz-z-z-z-z-z-z"
"Gift Wrapped"
"The Lion's Busy"
"Lumber Jerks"
"Lumber Jack Rabbit"
"Often an Orphan"
"Pizza Tweety Pie"
"Pop 'em Pop!"
"Puss N' Booty"
"Swallow the Leader"
"Which is Witch?"
Whoa??? Post-1948 WB cartoons in public domain? I prefer not know her horrible print compare to copyright print :eek:


"Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips"
"A Feather in his Hare"
"Which is Witch?"Of course, that's more banned or rarest cartoons that into public domain VHS/DVD

[absolutpaul]

Most of the prints into the 1950s that were released to theatres were nitrate prints. Even though some of them might have fallen into the hands of collectors, they either would have deteriorated by now, or would be unsuitable to store or project unless under strict safety supervision.

I attended a Chuck Jones tribute a couple of years ago while vacationing in LA (it was at UCLA) and most of the 35mm prints they showed were indeed nitrate. I was surprised at how well they held up. Of course, UCLA would have had their films stored and projected properly (I hope).

[RetroMan]

about lost prints... wasn't there a fire on a WB lot sometime during the 50's or 60's?

[Greg Method]

about lost prints... wasn't there a fire on a WB lot sometime during the 50's or 60's?
I think you might be thinking of the MGM vault fire in the '60s, in which films like the infamous silent horror flick "London After Midnight" were destroyed.

And Pietro, thanks for posting that list. It amazes me that that many still-copyrighted films found their way onto those kind of tapes.

[RetroMan]

thanks for clearing that up!

[nakak]

thanks for the mp3, Larry!


I think you might be thinking of the MGM vault fire in the '60s, in which films like the infamous silent horror flick "London After Midnight" were destroyed.
Does that mean original negatives for "Tom and Jerry" cartoons are destroyed?

[Greg Method]

Does that mean original negatives for "Tom and Jerry" cartoons are destroyed?
I don't think so, but I've never heard anything about them one way or the other.

I believe the fire was only at one of MGM's many vaults, so comparatively, only a small number of older films were lost in it.

[Philo & Gunge]

I don't think so, but I've never heard anything about them one way or the other.

I believe the fire was only at one of MGM's many vaults, so comparatively, only a small number of older films were lost in it.
Yeah, vault #7 (see here (http://imdb.com/title/tt0018097/trivia)). That was proably only movies from the 20's and whatnot. So I doubt T&J cartoons were destroyed.

[nakak]

Ahh yes, the infamous "London After Midnight" one of the film that was destroyed and never found (except for few frames). How did the fire started anyway?

BTW, looks like the movie was found. check this out (http://www.horror-wood.com/london.htm)

[Jave]

Ahh yes, the infamous "London After Midnight" one of the film that was destroyed and never found (except for few frames). How did the fire started anyway?

BTW, looks like the movie was found. check this out (http://www.horror-wood.com/london.htm)Well, after closing the window I noticed it was an April Fools' gag, but it did make me wonder... how many original prints of rare films can actually be hiding in the most unexpected places?

[rodney]

Laurel and Hardy fans are probably aware that The Rogue Song and Hat's Off were probably lost in that fire as well.

[RetroMan]

Well, after closing the window I noticed it was an April Fools' gag, but it did make me wonder... how many original prints of rare films can actually be hiding in the most unexpected places?I once read about a huge collection of never-seen-before movies made specifically for african-americans that was found deep under an ice skating rink. Early this year I found out about a 1922 Rudolph Valentino movie (Beyond The Rocks, co-starring Gloria Swanson) that was found in a private collection... in the Netherlands.

... and the known Hook shorts were found in a garage.

[guy incognito]

(W)hy would the studio destroy hundreds upon hundreds of prints? This is something I've never understood.
What else? $$$$. It costs money to archive old material, and particularly in the '50s and '60s many studios felt that their older titles--particularly the silent-era stuff--no longer afforded any profit potential to justify the cost.

That's why film preservationists get frightened at the prospect of old titles losing their copyright protection. See this thread (http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=7496) from another forum to get some idea of the issues at stake.

[cabe624]

Ahh yes - I remember now. According to Chuck Jones (during an interview with Peter Bogdanovich), in the late 60's Warner Bros. destroyed thousands of cells, backgrounds, character model sheets, and other vintage Termite Terrace material apparently because "they created a fire hazard and couldn't be insured". Maybe this is what happened to the thousands upon thousands of reels of nitrate film that the cartoons were distributed and stored on (meaning the prints that were distributed to theaters). If that’s true, it’s surprising that the Warners cartoons have survived as long as they have...

[Cartman]

What else? $$$$. It costs money to archive old material, and particularly in the '50s and '60s many studios felt that their older titles--particularly the silent-era stuff--no longer afforded any profit potential to justify the cost.

That's true. In fact I remember seeing a documentary on TCM where many of these studios threw their old films into the Pacific Ocean.

[Jaime_Weinman]

One other thing I hope they include this time is a booklet with descriptions of the cartoons. Most of us in this forum wouldn't need it, but most people don't know the cartoons by the titles, and the titles are often no help in identifying a cartoon ("Duck Amuck?" "Cheese Chasers?"). They really need to include something to tell the buyers which cartoon is which.

[guy incognito]

One other thing I hope they include this time is a booklet with descriptions of the cartoons. Most of us in this forum wouldn't need it, but most people don't know the cartoons by the titles, and the titles are often no help in identifying a cartoon ("Duck Amuck?" "Cheese Chasers?"). They really need to include something to tell the buyers which cartoon is which.
Agreed. If it weren't for the sheer number of shorts I'd say they could include little still pictures beside each of the titles in the back-cover listing.

[Daffysleftfoot]

Well, that would take up a lot of room putting a screen shot from every cartoon included on the cover. A better idea would be to put three or four screen shots and then put the title of the toon underneath each one. And then, of course, put the phrase "and many more".

[jeff_schiller]

Interesting, Jerry Beck has removed his reference to this original article as well...

WB Intervention?

[jeff_schiller]

Some more web links about GC2:


http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/5152.html

[JCorey3rd]

the burning of Atlanta in Gone With The Wind was fueled by nitrate film.

[guy incognito]

Interesting, Jerry Beck has removed his reference to this original article as well...

WB Intervention?
Sometimes I wonder if we Internet fans aren't inadvertantly putting Jerry's status with WB in jeopardy with all these rumors and leaks. Only human nature, of course, but... :sad:

[Philo & Gunge]

the burning of Atlanta in Gone With The Wind was fueled by nitrate film.
I'll sleep better knowing that. :shrug:

[Sean Gaffney]

I see Jerry Beck, in his San Diego Comic Con post, indicates that a Bob Clampett documentary may be part of the extras to Golden Collection 2. Woo hoo!

[Daffysleftfoot]

plus ones with possibly restored titles...!
What I can't figure out is why Leon would have cut them up for re-release in the first place. Being a thrifty man, surely he wuld have seen that just re-releasing them as is would have saved time and money. Plus, we would have to deal with all this restoration crap today.

What was Leon thinking? :confused:

[Vdubdavid]

Actually, it would be what was Eddie Selzer and J.L. Warner were thinking because most (but not all) of the BRs came after Leon sold the studio, although the practice of lopping off the titles started with him.

[J Lee]

What I can't figure out is why Leon would have cut them up for re-release in the first place. Being a thrifty man, surely he wuld have seen that just re-releasing them as is would have saved time and money. Plus, we would have to deal with all this restoration crap today.

What was Leon thinking? :confused: The idea at first seemed to be to fool the theater-going public into thinking they were seeing new cartoons, and to do that they stripped off the opening logos from 4- to 10-years earlier and put contemporary opening cards on there. Obviously someone caught on -- either those in the audience and/or the theater owners -- since WB apparently received complaints about charging extra for the Bugs Bunny series starting in 1944 while at the same time sending out BR re-releases of "A Wild Hare" and "Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt." That's why there were no more BR Bugs cartoons released until late 1957, a year after the sale of the pre-48s to AAP.

Since the public could obviously tell a 1944 Warners cartoon from one made in 1936 or so, that should have ended any rationale for the BR releases. But after September 1944 there was another reason to re-title the cartoons, and that was to remove Schlesinger's name from the credits (opening and closing), along with those of all the artists, writers and directors. So the BR retitling was maintained in its original form, even on cartoons made after September '44 with no Schlesinger references, and re-released before December 1956, when they finally stopped hacking off the main credits from the cartoons.

Warners wasn't alone in the practice of retitling re-releases, they were just a little more severe in their cutting. And the ironic thing is Leon was more generous in his crediting in the 1930s and early 40s than most of the other Hollywood studios.

MGM re-relased their cartoons, even doing new music or animation for the re-released version, and Disney also put new titles on their cartoons when they were sent out again. The difference was MGM never removed the main credits one they were on there, but that wasn't a big problem on the first re-releases, since MGM cartoons between 1934-43 gave almost no credit to writers and animator, while Disney's title credits between 1940 and 1956 barely changed at all, so the re-release credits look almost the exact same as the original ones. But Walt credited no one but Walt on his shorts up until the end of WWII, even if Disney's records make it easy to ID which director, writer and animators worked on a 1942 Donald Duck cartoon.

[Jack]

Do you think they removed all of the credits at first because a number of mid/late 30's cartoons had the title and credits superimposed over the concentric circles? Maybe they thought a current concentric circle opening cutting to a mid 30's one was awkward.

I can see a practical reason for updating the opening and closing titles, but why would they would remove all of the artist credits?

I think its sort of funny that they were still reissuing cartoons like "Little Dutch Plate" and "Flowers For Madame" in the 1950's and advertising them to the public as new cartoons.:p

[Vdubdavid]

Going back on topic, I hope that Warner's is able to avoid the soundtrack problems that occured on the last collection, with cartoons either sounding time-expanded ("Bully for Bugs", "Kit for Cat") or in the case of a least one cartoon ("Awful Orphan") time-compressed!:eek:

[Tintin]

Going back on topic, I hope that Warner's is able to avoid the soundtrack problems that occured on the last collection, with cartoons either sounding time-expanded ("Bully for Bugs", "Kit for Cat") or in the case of a least one cartoon ("Awful Orphan") time-compressed!:eek:Honnestly, i hope that the next golden have only english audio language. The french audio have created some problems with the soundtrack. In all, 31 of the 56 cartoons in the wave 1 are time-expanded (ex: "Bully for Bugs", "Kit for Cat" and "The Awful Orphan" for english/french audio and ex: "Rabbit's Kin", "Scaredy Cat", "Foghorn Leghorn" and "Canned Feud" for only french have time-expanded :( ).

For your information, the wave 1 Golden Collection are not the only DVD that this problem. In my experience, the french audio for "Batman: Mystery of Batwoman" movie and "Trail of the Prink Panther" movie in the 6-disc Peter Seller's Pink Panther DVD are also this problem

[Jaime_Weinman]

The french audio have created some problems with the soundtrack. Also, isolated music/effects tracks are not available for many of the cartoons made before 1951, so for those earlier cartoons, they have to use other music whenever anybody's speaking. With half the cartoons in the next set being from before 1950, they're really going to have their work cut out for them dubbing them into French...

[Tintin]

Also, isolated music/effects tracks are not available for many of the cartoons made before 1951, so for those earlier cartoons, they have to use other music whenever anybody's speaking. With half the cartoons in the next set being from before 1950, they're really going to have their work cut out for them dubbing them into French...
That's not all. Sometimes, mid-50's and 60's cartoons are also isolated music/effects tracks. That's a list:

"14 Carrot Rabbit"
"Kiddin' the Kitten"
"Little Red Rodent Hood"
"Hasty Hare" (i think too)
"The Oily Hare"
"This is a Life?" (i suppose. I never watch the original version)
"Two Scents Worth"
"Tweet and Sour" (very bad :mad: )
"Hare-Abian Nights"
"Freudy Cat" (replaced by more Hanna-Barbera's music cartoons. Ugh!! :mad: )

The rest are probably original music/effects tracks. But i see more the excellent Stalling's music. I repeated this line, no french dubbing in the next GCLT for respecting the original Looney Tunes masterpieces and his creators

[Classic Speedy]

I'm still waiting for "Birds Anonymous", "Porky the Wrestler", "Knighty Knight Bugs", "The Abominable Snow Rabbit", and "Satan's Waitin'", but otherwise, this is an excellent list of classic cartoons! I can't wait for this to come out, but of course that's self explanatory. ;)

[Nick]

I'm still waiting for "Birds Anonymous", "Porky the Wrestler", "Knighty Knight Bugs", "The Abominable Snow Rabbit", and "Satan's Waitin'", but otherwise, this is an excellent list of classic cartoons! I can't wait for this to come out, but of course that's self explanatory. ;)

I was kinda surprised "Birds Anonymous" wasn't on the first set, let alone the second set.

I think the first cartoon I'll watch when I get the set would be "Gorilla My Dreams". Burn that cursed 'dubbed' version! I'll then watch all the cartoons that were reissued as a Blue Ribbon, in the hope that they are restored. :cool:

[JCorey3rd]

I'm still waiting for "Birds Anonymous", "Porky the Wrestler", "Knighty Knight Bugs", "The Abominable Snow Rabbit", and "Satan's Waitin'", but otherwise, this is an excellent list of classic cartoons! I can't wait for this to come out, but of course that's self explanatory. ;)
there's got to be something to buy on set 3.

[Sean Gaffney]

Years from now, when WB finally gets down to the last box set...

Only one cartoon, but 78 hours of extras devoted to it. A Looney Tunes Extravaganza, all dedicated to "Buddy's Circus"!

...or not. :)

[Woulfe]

The last disc set will have all the LT movies on it before i'll have 1 cartoon & 78 hours of extras ;)

=========================================================

Looney Tunes Golden Collection Vol 42 [ the last set ]

Disc 1 - The Bugs Bunny / Road Runner Movie
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : A look back over 75 years]
[bonus footage : Behind the toons : The return to the big screen]

Disc 2 - The Looney Looney Looney Looney Bugs Bunny Movie
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : why Space Jam failed]
[bonus footage : Behind the toons : Joe Dante vents & vents some more]

Disc 3 - Bugs Bunny's 101 Rabbit Tales
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : New shorts we never saw]
[bonus feature : Behind the toons : The old grey Hare he ain't what he used to be ]

Disc 4 - Daffy Duck's Fantastic Island
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : why Back In Action failed]
[bonus feature : Behind the toons : Jerry Beck vents & vents some more]

Disc 5 - Daffy Duck's Quackbusters
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : New LT TV Series]
[bonus feature : Behind the toons : Fans speak out about everything]

Disc 6 - There Is No Disc 6, No Really, There Isn't, What Are You Doing ?
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : The Vol 42 Pun-chline]
[bonus feature : Behind the toons : The Vol 42 pun-chline explaned]

=========================================================

That's All Folks !

[Daffysleftfoot]

The last disc set will have all the LT movies on it before i'll have 1 cartoon & 78 hours of extras ;)

=========================================================

Looney Tunes Golden Collection Vol 42 [ the last set ]

Disc 1 - The Bugs Bunny / Road Runner Movie
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : A look back over 75 years]
[bonus footage : Behind the toons : The return to the big screen]

Disc 2 - The Looney Looney Looney Looney Bugs Bunny Movie
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : why Space Jam failed]
[bonus footage : Behind the toons : Joe Dante vents & vents some more]

Disc 3 - Bugs Bunny's 101 Rabbit Tales
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : New shorts we never saw]
[bonus feature : Behind the toons : The old grey Hare he ain't what he used to be ]

Disc 4 - Daffy Duck's Fantastic Island
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : why Back In Action failed]
[bonus feature : Behind the toons : Jerry Beck vents & vents some more]

Disc 5 - Daffy Duck's Quackbusters
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : New LT TV Series]
[bonus feature : Behind the toons : Fans speak out about everything]

Disc 6 - There Is No Disc 6, No Really, There Isn't, What Are You Doing ?
[extra features : Looney Tunes Then & Now : The Vol 42 Pun-chline]
[bonus feature : Behind the toons : The Vol 42 pun-chline explaned]

=========================================================

That's All Folks !
You forgot:

Disc 7 - Baby Looney Tunes
[your dvd player vomits]:D

[chuckamuck43]

I just noticed at Cartoon Brew that Jerry Beck says there'll be a documentary on Bob Clampett included on LTCG v.2. He's going to run a part of it at one of his screenings...

[Daffysleftfoot]

Hey, has anyone mentioned that they didn't put Hillbilly Hare on his set? Well, if noone has, I'm saying it right now. I'd better be on wave 3. :mad:

[MikeH0714]

The idea at first seemed to be to fool the theater-going public into thinking they were seeing new cartoons...
The public maybe, but not theater owners. Ever see an issue of BOX OFFICE? In their annual year-end issue, they list all the feature and short releases for all the major studios for the year. Warner Bros cartoons fall under three categories: "Bugs Bunny Specials", "Blue Ribbon Reissues" and IIRC, "Others." The first two categories consisted of 13 titles each year, the "Other" category was 26.

It stands to reason that if WB was charging extra for the BB Specials, they were probably charging less for the reissues. They may also have been making them available to independent and second/third-run theaters that otherwise couldn't afford the Warner packages.


Warners wasn't alone in the practice of retitling re-releases, they were just a little more severe in their cutting.
Frankly, I think the worst were "Columbia Favorites." Totally unimaginative artwork - they couldn't even be bothered to include the "torch lady" company title - and all credits are gone, gone, gone. There isn't even a copyright date!

Michael

[Jack]

The public maybe, but not theater owners. Ever see an issue of BOX OFFICE? In their annual year-end issue, they list all the feature and short releases for all the major studios for the year. Warner Bros cartoons fall under three categories: "Bugs Bunny Specials", "Blue Ribbon Reissues" and IIRC, "Others." The first two categories consisted of 13 titles each year, the "Other" category was 26.Does that mean the Bugs cartoons were sold to theaters separately from the "others?" I think its interesting to see how the cartoons of the various studios were distributed.

And I also hate the Columbia Favorite titles, they look like TV titles. At least the blue ribbons had some class.

[Daniel P]

RELEASE DATE IS NOVEMBER 2!!!!

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=1829

There will also be another 2-disc Premiere Collection aimed at "kids and moms," it seems... :rolleyes:


-Dan

[Tintin]

There will also be another 2-disc Premiere Collection aimed at "kids and moms," it seems... :rolleyes:

Also for the persons with "little budgets"... hmmm... :sad:

[Nick]

There will also be another 2-disc Premiere Collection aimed at "kids and moms," it seems... :rolleyes:

What?! I thought WB had learnt their lesson. Well, it's not as though anyone will buy it. :rolleyes:

[Daffysleftfoot]

Now that it's brought up, just how well did the "sawed off" version of the first LT DVD sell? Was it better or worse than the full collection?

[J. B. Warner]

Does that mean the Bugs cartoons were sold to theaters separately from the "others?" I think its interesting to see how the cartoons of the various studios were distributed.
I think "Bugs Bunny specials" refers to the feature length showcases of Bugs Bunny cartoons that WB would release every so often (hey, it kept the kids riveted). Bugs cartoons themselves were released individually, same as any other cartoon.

[The Dork Knight]

Porky In Wackyland?

You Oughta Be In Pictures?

Looks like I'll be buying this DVD! :D

- The Dork Knight

[Greg Method]

I think "Bugs Bunny specials" refers to the feature length showcases of Bugs Bunny cartoons that WB would release every so often (hey, it kept the kids riveted). Bugs cartoons themselves were released individually, same as any other cartoon.I'm pretty sure the Bugs Bunny Specials were in fact the actual shorts in their original release. It wasn't technically a separate series, but I believe they commanded a slightly higher price simply because of the star.

I think in the "Bugs Bunny's Greatest Hits" chapter of Adamson's book he refers to the shorts like (for example) "a Bugs Bunny Special in the Merrie Melodies series."

[stevea]

...at least the blue ribbons had some class.


True, but as one who dislikes BR's, I'd say at least they could have created a separate LT BR slide. They also could have taken the time to do clean dissolves to the title cards (post 1948).

[MikeH0714]

I'm pretty sure the Bugs Bunny Specials were in fact the actual shorts in their original release. It wasn't technically a separate series, but I believe they commanded a slightly higher price simply because of the star.
This is true. Theatre owners bought entire packages of WB shorts for the release season ahead of schedule, and they paid a premium for the "Bugs Bunny Specials" package. So I'm guessing the "Blue Ribbon Reissues" were priced at less than the average.

Michael

[J Lee]

I think "Bugs Bunny specials" refers to the feature length showcases of Bugs Bunny cartoons that WB would release every so often (hey, it kept the kids riveted). Bugs cartoons themselves were released individually, same as any other cartoon. No, the "specials" were simply the regular releases of Bugs' cartoons. Theaters paid for them as if they were their own seperate series besides the Looney Tunes and the Merrie Meloldies.


The public maybe, but not theater owners. Ever see an issue of BOX OFFICE? In their annual year-end issue, they list all the feature and short releases for all the major studios for the year. Warner Bros cartoons fall under three categories: "Bugs Bunny Specials", "Blue Ribbon Reissues" and IIRC, "Others." The first two categories consisted of 13 titles each year, the "Other" category was 26.

It stands to reason that if WB was charging extra for the BB Specials, they were probably charging less for the reissues. They may also have been making them available to independent and second/third-run theaters that otherwise couldn't afford the Warner packages. Going by that secnario, the theater owners paying a preminum for the new Bugs Bunny cartoons would be the most likely ones complaining to Warners about BR Bugs reissues, since they would be paying more for their cartoons while fearing that the audience might not notice the difference between the first run copies of "Hare Force" or "Buckaroo Bugs" they were showing, and the BR print of "A Wild Hare" or "Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt" the 25 cent theater down the block was showing.

Whatever the reason, the Bugs BR releases didn't show up again until late 1957, after the AAP package had begun airing on TV.

[Sean Gaffney]

Hey, I just realized something. The Tom & Jerry Collection comes out 2 weeks before the 2nd Looney Tunes one. So...

Once again, everyone will see Cat Concerto before Rhapsody Rabbit. MGM wins again! ;)

[duck dodgers]

Hey, I just realized something. The Tom & Jerry Collection comes out 2 weeks before the 2nd Looney Tunes one. So...

Once again, everyone will see Cat Concerto before Rhapsody Rabbit. MGM wins again! ;)
which of the two you prefer?
i think rhapsody rabbit is an absolute masterpiece,i never much liked the cat concerto,if you think they have the same plot,you must admit the superiority of freleng's work,no?

[Sean Gaffney]

which of the two you prefer?
i think rhapsody rabbit is an absolute masterpiece,i never much liked the cat concerto,if you think they have the same plot,you must admit the superiority of freleng's work,no?
I prefer Cat Concerto, both because I saw it first, and also as I feel the Tom/Jerry rivalry makes the plot hold up much better than Bugs and some random mouse. But they're both great cartoons.

[Steve Carras]

Why do that? Anyone with access to a VCR and WTBS between about 1980 and 1987 had dozens of chances to tape to the musical opening for Tweety Pie, since for some strange reason, some prints were struck that had the Blue Ribbon titles, but the original music (which began with the 1945-55 WB opening music during the AAP title and continued over into the normal Blue Ribbon opening). If they can't find the original graphics, recreating the "look" of the 1940s eras titles could be done over the actual music with little difficulty (and if you've never heard it, the music is similar, but slightly longer, than the opening music Stalling used for Clampett's "The Wise-Quacking Duck") It's also used in Art Davis's A HICK, A SLICK AND A CHICK at the end when the Freberg-voiced hick mouse claims his new girl (Daisy Lou;Benederet), and Blackie the slicker gets socked byt the Jimmy DUrante feline, and in McKImson's LOVELORN LEGHORN when Foggy's making a sale to Miss Prissy on the dog as a potetnial "hen....." (I always wondered what that tune was...)

[MJEToons81]

Another thing about title card music is the various arrangements of the Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies shorts released between 1936 and 1941, and the last known long run title themes from 1941 were used until 1945, except for all Blue Ribbon reissues of MMs (from 1943-57, of original shorts from 1935-48) and LTs (from 1947-57, of original shorts from 1942-48).
Just listen to the various arrangements of the 1930s main and end title themes. I suggest you demo this experiment on:

ORIGINAL (NON-BLUE RIBBON) SHORTS, RESTORED FROM OR NOT ORIGINALLY REISSUED AS:

1. Boulevardier from the Bronx (October 10, 1936) (MM, Prod. #7570)
2. She was an Acrobat's Daughter (April 10, 1937) (MM, Prod. #7750)
3. Egghead Rides Again (July 17, 1937) (MM, Prod. #7989) (Dave Mackey states the title music in this short has the first of many arrangements to feature a "glissando" steel guitar sound effect.)
4. Dog Daze (September 18, 1937) (MM, Prod. #8054) (Only non-BR title to have both main and end title themes in the 1936-37 season)
5. The Woods are Full of Cuckoos (December 4, 1937) (MM, Prod. #8149)
6. The Major Lied 'Til Dawn (August 13, 1938) (MM, Prod. #8488)
7. A-Lad-in Bagdad (August 27, 1938) (MM, Prod. #8595)
8. Daffy Duck in Hollywood (December 3, 1938) (MM, Prod. #8609)
9. Count Me Out (December 17, 1938) (MM, Prod. #8687)
10. Hamateur Night (January 28, 1939) (MM, Prod. #8685)
11. Good Night, Elmer (October 12, 1940) (MM, Prod. #9773)
12. Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt (June 7, 1941) (MM, Prod. #9953) (Recent restore in 1995 from 1944-45 Blue Ribbon season)

Ben (MJEToons81)

"The Dog Daze are scorchers,
Southern torture
And we've found the answer to the plight,
It was a Dog Daze night"
Wordplay on Atlanta Rhythm Section's "Dog Days" (1975) and the Merrie Melodie "Dog Daze" (1937)

[Daffysleftfoot]

Hey, does Frank Tashlin have any living descendents that could talk about his life and his work? Wave 1 had Linda Jones, Ruth Clampett, Bob McKimson Jr., Noel Blanc, and Sybil Freleng. And Nancy Avery was curiously absent.

[cabe624]

Hey, does Frank Tashlin have any living descendents that could talk about his life and his work? Wave 1 had Linda Jones, Ruth Clampett, Bob McKimson Jr., Noel Blanc, and Sybil Freleng. And Nancy Avery was curiously absent.
Christopher Tashlin, Tashlin's second child, is alive and did work on the book "Frank Tashlin" released in 1994. He was born in the late 60's, so he was very young when his father died in 1972. Because of that, he might not be able to talk about Tashlin's personality, which is something that is not heavily discussed (Mike Barrier did briefly talk about his personality in Hollywood Cartoons, but he quickly dismissed Tashlin as some kind of weird, angry filmmaker). He also has a daughter who if I'm not mistaken was born in 1936 - she most likely is still alive. Also, one of Tashlin's wives, Mary Costa, is still alive and has given interviews before (not about Tashlin, but about her work on Disney's Sleeping Beauty).

[Nick]

Christopher Tashlin, Tashlin's second child, is alive and did work on the book "Frank Tashlin" released in 1994. He was born in the late 60's, so he was very young when his father died in 1972. Because of that, he might not be able to talk about Tashlin's personality, which is something that is not heavily discussed (Mike Barrier did briefly talk about his personality in Hollywood Cartoons, but he quickly dismissed Tashlin as some kind of weird, angry filmmaker). He also has a daughter who if I'm not mistaken was born in 1936 - she most likely is still alive. Also, one of Tashlin's wives, Mary Costa, is still alive and has given interviews before (not about Tashlin, but about her work on Disney's Sleeping Beauty).

How old was Tashlin when he died? :(

[RetroMan]

He was 59... very young.

[Philo & Gunge]

I can't wait any longer! I'd do anything to get this DVD early!

P.S. J.B. Warner, what part of LT:BIA does Daffy say that line?

[cabe624]

--Just some corrections on my previous post --

Tashlin's first daughter, Patricia Anne Tashlin, was born in 1938. Christopher Tashlin was born in November of 1967.

I would say that Frank Tashlin was one of the loneliest and saddest of the Termite Terrace directors when he passed away. He had gotten divorced from his third and final wife in 1969 and had been a bachelor for 3 years. Although he had lost considerable weight in the late 60's, his heart was probably too weak after all the years of Tashlin being decidedly overweight. He suffered a heart attack in 1972 and was rushed to the hospital, where he died 3 days later...:(

I hope that "Have You Got Any Castles" is not only the restored, non-BR print, but that Mike Barrier does an audio commentary where he plays clips from his interview with Tashlin from 1971.

[guy incognito]

Hey, has anyone mentioned that they didn't put Hillbilly Hare on his set? Well, if noone has, I'm saying it right now. I'd better be on wave 3. :mad:
Well...there again, if you're one of us who would like to see WB keep churning out these things, you can understand why they'd be reluctant to "blow their wad" and front-load all their most popular and iconic shorts on the early volumes. Got to hold something back to keep your average Wally Wal-mart interested in future installments!

[Nick]

Well...there again, if you're one of us who would like to see WB keep churning out these things, you can understand why they'd be reluctant to "blow their wad" and front-load all their most popular and iconic shorts on the early volumes. Got to hold something back to keep your average Wally Wal-mart interested in future installments!

I think fans will now complain about "Robin Hood Daffy" not being on the second set. :rolleyes:

[Jave]

Just something I remembered. There's a possibility that "French Rarebit" will have original titles, since I know that a very old original print of that cartoon somehow made it to Latin America and dubbed into spanish. It aired on a few local networks up until the early 90s, yet CNLA's current print, although better-looking, is a Blue Ribbon.

[Larry T]

While we're on the LTGC #2 and anti-BR topic, I found a couple more interesting pieces of rarity from digging up old stuff I had from my college days:

When I was running my third year film, I made some cassette tapes (remember those? ;) ) from various sources of short pieces of music that I thought I might want to use somewhere in the film. A few days ago, I was listening to those tapes out because I had some classical music pieces on them that were once used in cartoons (Die Fleidermaus, Poet and the Peasant, Braham's Hungarian Dances, etc.).

Anyway, I found these two interesting clips, which I've encoed into .mp3 and put on my server FOR A LIMITED TIME, in case anyone wants to hear them (the quality is not the best, as I can't remember where they came from originally):

Click here to listen to the original credits and titles for "The Good Egg":

http://members.rogers.com/kitty_face/TheGoodEgg.mp3

Click here to listen to the original credits and titles for "The Mouse-Merized Cat":

http://members.rogers.com/kitty_face/MouseMerizedCat.mp3

On a side note, I thought of two more WB BR cartoons that I hope get restored on a LTGC in the future: One would be "Cross Country Detours", because when that cartoon starts, only the end of the opening narrative sentence is heard, "...animal life, and scenic wonders of our country." :mad: which almost makes no sense on its own.

The other one would be a restored version of "You're An Education". I know this is a spot-gag style cartoon that cross dissolves between jokes. But those fade-outs and fade-ins are what bug me. They seem out of place, since the entire rest of the cartoon sigues from one gag into another. I wonder if there weren't celebrity caricatures or something topical that got cut out from the re-release version. :confused:

[J. B. Warner]

P.S. J.B. Warner, what part of LT:BIA does Daffy say that line?
Right after the Wooden Nickel scene, as the spy car is plummeting towards the ground. He says it to his stockbroker over his cellphone.

[Jave]

Great files, Larry! I hope those cartoons can soon be restored!

[Nick]

Cool files! Those are really interesting to listen too. I've noticed that with some Blue Ribbons, you can very breifly hear the end of the title music, like in "Double Chaser". And in "Farm Frolics", the song at the beginning starts over the Blue Ribbon title card. I also subspect that the opening trucking shot in "Daffy Dilly" was redone, as the the background style looks like what Irv Wyner would of done. I think they did this because Daffy's voice over (heard in the opening trucking shot) was over the credits, but they wanted to keep the voice over and did a trucking shot to go with it instead.

[Jon Cooke]

Anyway, I found these two interesting clips, which I've encoed into .mp3 and put on my server FOR A LIMITED TIME, in case anyone wants to hear them (the quality is not the best, as I can't remember where they came from originally):

Hey Larry, those originally from THE CARL STALLING PROJECT CD.


-Jon

[cabe624]

The other one would be a restored version of "You're An Education". I know this is a spot-gag style cartoon that cross dissolves between jokes. But those fade-outs and fade-ins are what bug me. They seem out of place, since the entire rest of the cartoon sigues from one gag into another. I wonder if there weren't celebrity caricatures or something topical that got cut out from the re-release version. :confused:As a matter of fact, there was a significant amount of footage lost from "You're An Education" when it was re-released as a BR. According to the book "Frank Tashlin" by Roger Garcia --and I quote-- "NOTE: Several shots (including a caricature of Hugh Herbert) totaling 67 feet (approx. 45 seconds :eek: ) were removed for this film's "Blue Ribbon Special" reissue in 1946." I am almost 100% certain that this information is correct because they know the exact amount of feet cut from the original print for the BR reissue.

[Larry T]

Hey Larry, those originally from THE CARL STALLING PROJECT CD.Ahhh, yes! I don't have that CD but I remember someone at school lending it to me at the time. Also I'm keeping in mind that I wasn't aware of the whole BR-hack job back then, I thought that's the way those cartoons always were supposed to be, so I didn't know what all the extra music was about (also why I don't distinctly remember what the credits to "Back Alley Oproar" looked like... I'd never seen it any other way than the BR, and when the titles came on as a surprise, I wondered what the heck was up with that print).


As a matter of fact, there was a significant amount of footage lost from "You're An Education" when it was re-released as a BR. It looks like UCLA has a couple of nitrate prints in their library, even though they don't list the complete credits, I hope one of them is an original so we might get to see that cartoon in its full version someday. :anime:

[J Lee]

Really, all Warners needs from the original prints is a good image and soundtrack at the start of the film so they can reattach the credits. Once you get to the cartoon itself, then if the BR print is of better quality, there's no reason not to use that.

It's pretty obvious that's what Warners did on Vol. 1 with "Kit for Kat" since it has original titles, but the BR's 1956 closing MM titles over the Looney Tunes theme. A cartoon like "Bone, Sweet Bone" where the original negative's opening titles are OK, but the end is a cut up mess, would be an example of a cartoon where using the BR prinrt foor the bullk of the short makes perfect sense.

[Larry T]

It's pretty obvious that's what Warners did on Vol. 1 with "Kit for Kat" since it has original titles, but the BR's 1956 closing MM titles over the Looney Tunes theme.
Which is weird, because the one on the Columbia House collection had the correct Looney Tunes end titles. :confused:

I had thought of WB re-assembling the titles to the Tex avery cartoons using Sogturtle's 35mm frame clips- but that might create a snag if there were any animated titles, as Avery was known to use, like in "Screwball Football" and "Holiday Highlights"... plus I know that the WB shield was animated anew for each cartoon, so this individuality would be lost.

[stevea]

...there's a possibility that "French Rarebit" will have original titles, since I know that a very old original print of that cartoon somehow made it to Latin America and dubbed into spanish...
I'll add this to my list of hopefuls. The one I'd really like to see is 'Rabbit Fire', but it's too late for that one...