If Kim Possible grew up....

[Waylaid]

It wouldn’t take much redesigning to age Kim about, oh, six years or so. She could be a beautiful college student who is secretly a highly trained operative for... oh, wait a minute, isn’t there some live-action show with a storyline something like that? Well, if nothing else, that proves how possible (so to speak) the whole idea could be. OK, Kim doesn’t ever have to be part of the CIA or a secret spy organization. She and Ron can remain freestyle, independent world-savers. Of course, the evildoers would evolve from the petulant Dr. Drakken and sinister Shego to more complex villains. Kim could run across some other operatives from our own government, or those of our allies... or enemies. This adds plenty of opportunity for thrilling, tense adventures, romances and betrayals, high-level clandestine hijinks and all the sex a glamorous agent can grab on the run.



Read more from http://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=pageone&article_no=2095&page=2 . Adding more dairy to the ice cream is what it'll be like if C:KND or Teenage Robot grows up!

Fanfickers, get your pens ready!

[MIRO]

i wont say that there is something erotic between kim and ron , becouse that is just stupid and ridiculas :rolleyes: .the fact that they are very close friends and that they have no secrets to hide from each other doesnot mean that there is something sexy or erotic .who ever wrote that thing simply does not inderstand what is the cartoon about .im got gonna explain it becouse everybody already knows it :)

[Paul_Cousins]

If Kim Possible grew up....
She could be Head of Security at the Eyrie Building... ;)

Sorry, I could not help myself. :D

[tucsoncoyote]

i wont say that there is something erotic between kim and ron , becouse that is just stupid and ridiculas :rolleyes: .the fact that they are very close friends and that they have no secrets to hide from each other doesnot mean that there is something sexy or erotic .who ever wrote that thing simply does not inderstand what is the cartoon about .im got gonna explain it becouse everybody already knows it :)
I agree on this one Miro, After all Kim Isn't dealing with Ron in a Romantic Sense.. and yet there are Kim Possible Fans (whom I call "Shippers") who think Ron and Kim are an item..:rolleyes: They're not.. all they are, are friends, pure and Simple, and that Friendship goes back to Pre-school (Some 12 Years) There never was a romantic inkling to start with.

Just recently a New Show on Nickelodeon came up (Danny Phantom) and even before the show premiered Fans of that Potential Quality show, were Commenting about Danny and his Female Friend (Sam (Short for Samantna) Manson ) having "More then a Friendship" and hence again this pattern of "Shipping" Emerged... It took the Creator of the Show (to announce to the Fans) that, and I quote


Samantha Manson and Danny Fenton (Phantom) are not an item They're not Romantically involved or even interested in having a relationship. they are just friends!!!
Now as for the Poor sap who wrote that Article for AWN, and who thinks all these shows would be better in an adult nature, has sadly taken too many whacks on the Head by a Sack of Anvils..After all Kim can And Probably Will Grow up (As stated in the A Sitch in Time DVD) but it's those shippers (who think Ron and Kim are a Couple), who've ruined the fun for the rest of us.. Besides, Kim always states the Obvious, and the Obvious is that it's So not the Drama..(And believe me Kim Possible (The Show) isn't an Action/Adventure/Comedy/Drama/Romance... it's Just an Action/Adventure /Comedy... and that's it.. just drop the last two and you've got Kim Possible, Add those Last two, and it's just another Quality show that's been Tramuatized by people who think the wrong ideas.

Anyway That's All I'm going to say.. Now if "Shippers" stay out of this issue Kim Possible probably won't get cancelled. if they interviene it means it probably will. and it looks like the Fans have spoken.. Way to go guys.. you ruined a great show by adding in romance.

Nuff Said..

:coyote:

[tucsoncoyote]

Now as the writer of the Article at AWN wrote (and sadly I still think the guy got whacked too many Times by a Sack of Acme Anvils,) about Kim Possible does have SOME merit.. I would just leave out the Romance and the Eroticism..

but something that the author of that article wrote did strike a chord with me .. at least Something postivie..

here's the Sentence I am refering to and it's in the actual Story..


Of course, the evildoers would evolve from the petulant Dr. Drakken and sinister She-go to more complex villains. Kim could run across some other operatives from our own government, or those of our allies... or enemies.Now I've pondered that Particular line and in fact if you just take that on Merit alone, then the idea works.. but Like I said, Leave out the Romance, (The Drama as it were..)

but think about it... Villains More Evil then Drakken? Villainesses more sinister then She-go? believe me the Mind Boggles at this one, and there have been many a time I've come up with a Few villain ideas that could Give Kim Possible a Run for her money.. and like the statement says, these could be more complex villains.. and they would definitely make Drakken's Futile Attempts at Taking over the world (or perhaps Destroying it), Look like Child's Play.. that is if Kim and Ron weren't Around!

but that part of the statement Idea I could see.. I could see other possibilites (Pardon the Pun there) but if I explained them all it would take up half a day! (Seriously!) but believe me This is the Only Coherent statement the Author Makes.. (Just get rid of the Rest, and The Idea flies like Gangbusters..else, forget it..

Oh and Paul, that idea you suggested Indeed could work, and can you imagine Shego Being "Upgraded?" ;) (Believe me the Pack better watch out!):D

Nuff Said,

:coyote:

[Antiyonder]

Just curious. I'd go with Drakken. Maybe sometime down the road he and Kim's Dad could bury the hatchet.

[Uncle Beaglebub]

Hey, that would be cool to see Kim as a college age girl. Just leave out the SEX part, it's a kid's cartoon primarily you know. I think we have enough adult themed cartoons now. She can find a boyfriend though, that's Ok with me, as long as they kept it G-rated.

As to K/R shipping: Please, no!!!! Kim and Ron are friends. For me, the coolest part of this cartoon is the fact that Kim and Ron are such close friends, even though they aren't attracted to each other romanticly. I think it's important to show a teen boy and girl be such dear friends without "scoring". Who says that a guy can't have a girl for a best friend, and vice versa?

[Skeeter]

As to K/R shipping: Please, no!!!! Kim and Ron are friends. For me, the coolest part of this cartoon is the fact that Kim and Ron are such close friends, even though they aren't attracted to each other romanticly. I think it's important to show a teen boy and girl be such dear friends without "scoring". Who says that a guy can't have a girl for a best friend, and vice versa?
*nods* Not to mention some of the crushes Ron has had on the show. Only two come to mind right now: the girl Ron got trapped in the D&D-esque game with and the Japanese girl at the school of martial arts where Ron went up against Monkey Fist by himself.

Besides, I always thought Kim and Wade would hook up ;)

[Uncle Beaglebub]

Just curious. I'd go with Drakken. Maybe sometime down the road he and Kim's Dad could bury the hatchet.
Yeah, Drakken could reform I think. I keep thinking of the episode "Golden Years" when he was enjoying himself so much making children happy by selling ice cream. His behavior is bizarre and cruel at times, but there is goodness in him somewhere.

Making peace with the Possibles would be an interesting story arc. The idea of forgiveness is a theme that shows up in this cartoon, along with all the other good messages. Don't think it would work? I do! If Dr. Drakken asked Kim for forgiveness for all the horrible things he has done to her, what do you think she would do? She would forgive him, because that is the fine heroine that she is. That is what makes Kim so special - she is willing to be friends with anyone.

[tucsoncoyote]

I've actually Studied this whole thing (and like I have stated before I don't like People (Shippers) saying Kim and Ron are Romantically involved.. but I do know that both Kim and Ron have had major Crushes and between them the list is rather short..

Let's Start with Kim Possible..The first ever Mention of a Boy she was interested in was Joshua (Wendell) Mankey...That's right Josh Mankey (and Josh I guess is Middleton High's #1 Commodity when it comes to Boyfriends..) Josh First Appeared in the "pilot" Episode, Crush, where Kim tries to Ask Josh to the Spirit week Dance.. and it worked.. since Then Josh has been seen at least 2 more times.. Namely in two Episodes in Season 2.. One Being The Full Monkey, (Actually in this one Ron Tries to Set Kim up with Josh (Not realizing that the Monkey he has isn't Kim), the Other Being Blush (where Kim Gets a Goodnight Kiss from him and Reveals one of her many Secrets..(Marshmellows on Hotdogs? okay....)

Then there's Kim's Second Major Crush.. Namely Hirotaka (in Exchange) Of course this Crush was less Romantic then you first realize..(As she finds out that Hirotaka knows Mantis Style Kung-Fu, as she has Dabbled in it as well. It's not surprising that Kim's Friend Monique, also Crushed on him as well, (Because of her Club Banana Discounts..(and because of that, the two almost Tearing up their Friendship over a boy..)

Of course Kim has had at least 1 other Crush.. an unmentioned one in The Truth Hurts Just recently so for Kim's Final Count, the score is 3 guys..

Now for Ron Stoppable, even though he's a Loser he's also had 3 Girls interested in him as well

First up was in the Second Episode (Sink or Swim), with Tara, and then that lasted all of maybe 2 episodes (Tara Probably lost intereest in Ron, thanks to all of Bonnie Rockwaller's insensitive sayings about Ron being a Major Loser..even though Ron isn't..

Then of course in Season 2 Ron had 2 more Crushes..and in both he exudes a bit more confidence..The First being Zita Flores (in both Grudge Match and Vir-Tu-Ron) and believe me what Disney was thinking was the right idea.. but at least they kept it on a simplistic level.but they didn't persue this relationship past Vir-tu-ron.. why? We'll never really know until either Bob (Schooley) or Mark (McCorkle) Tell us. Then there was Yori..(From Exchange..) Now here was a Relationship that covered a number of Levels and was a bit more complex, but you could tell there was a smoldering idea here.. and a right push could have sent it much like the Ron/Zita ideas..(But sadly we'll never know right?

Finally Ron did have a fourth and a Fifth Crush..(Mary Gariani, From A Sitch in Time, and of course Penny, Just recently from The Truth Hurts..(At least Ron's Truthful Mojo did work here.. but I think Ron Suffered a Lack of Self Confidence if He had a Bit more, he would most likely be indeed a Ladies' Man..(Now some folks have suggested a Ron and Monique Relationship, but that's not as silly as it sounds.. though there are real questions as to why.. which we all can't answer.. Perhaps it relates back to 1968 Star Trek, maybe no...But the Final Count for Ron is 5....

But when you boil away all the shipping (Kim/Ron Romance) you see you have two close friends, nothing more.. and could this Friendship go further (into the future, say to College? The Answer is yes, but Romance with Ron and Kim is perhaps the furthest from even my mind. .after all they're friends, they're there to help each other out..and there has been potential talk of Rufus getting a girlfriend, but we're still up in the air on that..

ah well, back to the threads..Nuff said

:coyote:

[phonica]

they have a whole dawson/joey age old friendshippy thing going on really... except I'm sure Ron would choose a lifetimes supply of nacos rather than a chance to go out with Kim... which isnt really the same in dawson's creek is it...

[tucsoncoyote]

they have a whole dawson/joey age old friendshippy thing going on really... except I'm sure Ron would choose a lifetimes supply of nacos rather than a chance to go out with Kim... which isnt really the same in dawson's creek is it...
One small problem... Ron Created the Naco... (refer back to Bueno Nacho..) so to him.. Making Nacos would be more of an interest to him then going out with Kim..)

and of course Kim Possible is nothing Like Dawson's Creek, now is it? :D ;)

:coyote:

[phonica]

I actually havent seen that episode, just heard random babble of nacos... but the point remains... he likes food over dating kim... though he seems rather interested in the ep with the robots where he meets zita.... and i were just saying their friendship is like dawson and joey's... of course there are differences: none of them are saps, and they save the world

Come to think of it, Ron has some Pacey like qualities though

[Uncle Beaglebub]

I actually havent seen that episode, just heard random babble of nacos... but the point remains... he likes food over dating kim... though he seems rather interested in the ep with the robots where he meets zita.... and i were just saying their friendship is like dawson and joey's... of course there are differences: none of them are saps, and they save the world

Come to think of it, Ron has some Pacey like qualities though
I never watched Dawson's Creek! But I do have the opinion that Ron sees Kim as a friend, and vice versa. That's why he'd rather choose to eat than date Kim. He doesn't want to date Kim, so that's not an option. He has a fairly active pursuit of other girls though, he was interested in Zita quite a bit.

[Antiyonder]

You said the Ron/Yori relationship covered more levels, and is a bit more complex. How so?

[tucsoncoyote]

You said the Ron/Yori relationship covered more levels, and is a bit more complex. How so?
Well there are a number of issues here, Antiyonder, and I shall break it down bit by bit if I can. But you'll see what I'm talking about when I get done..(Hopefully)

The Ron and Yori relationship is pretty much like the Kim/Ron Friendship, but first off Ron isn't the sidekick here.. He's treated as an equal. Also you have to discount the fact that Yori nor Ron are in charge here (In Exchange you saw a Mutual Look between Ron and Yori.. Neither of them was in control except when it came to matters of Combat..(Then the dominate Role fell back to Yori). But Unlike Kim, who has some slight "Control Issues" Yori is a bit more balanced.. and the Reason is because of her training. you could call it that Yori had "A sense of Balance (Talking metaphorically)

Now add to this what I call "The Yin/Yang Factor.." and you'll see how fast and complex this gets..

First off you have the Yin Side (Yori) the light, the purity.. and perhaps all the positiveness Ron Stoppable should exude.. but doesn't..

Culturally Yori is perhaps a great representation of the Japanese Student Culture of today.. very studious, very intelligent, and in the forms of a Ninja, very skilled.. (If you note in the episode Exchange, how well skilled she is at using not only her mind, but also the tools she has around her..(How a Simple fan can become a weapon that can cut rock..)

Then you have the Yang of Cultural Differences.. Namely Ron.. Ron is perhaps best seen as your typical American boy next door who's carefree and easy going, who doesn't mind if he greases back his hair or if he parts it on one side or the other.. in short, you have his laid back attitude in that thought pattern.. and of course you have to look at it as such. Plus the fact that In the Culture of Ninjitsu, Ron is a Gai-Jin (An Outsider)

Then you got the Skill level Differences.. Yori, a Mistress of Ninjitsu, able to blend in silently and stealthly, while Ron.. A bit of a Bumbler who would trip over his own feet, and it isn't until midway trhough the episode that he starts to get the hang of Ninjitsu.. (Right to the point of embarassment..)

Finally you got the issue at the end.. as you know Ron did have to Return at the end of Exchange back to Middleton, and in fact you can see that Yori did have a Place for Ron in her heart (Isn't that so sweet? ) but as you can see just Like Hego said in Go Team Go,


I've found that a long-distance relationship with a foe never works. It's a strain on everyone.
applies here as well..only it's with potential love.. rather then a foe..

and hence that's why it gets really Complex here. The cultural diversity, the Differences between a person who is studious and Skilled with one who is a bumbler and from time to time is a buffoon (As Dr. Drakken Likes to Call Ron), plus the added Distance would make this relationship really a tough act to follow. but then again.. just like in Exchange they left the story in a situation that I like to call "Open without resoultion" and besides it would be nice to see Ron and Yori together again as a team. The next time though it would be on the American side..(Who knows.. Ron Stoppable, American Ninja?)

Because in any team it's a Blend of Good and Bad, Positive and Negative, Light and dark..and of course Kim and Ron Exude this as Friends.. but I could sense that Ron and Yori had a bit more here.. almost as much as Ron did with Zita Flores, but perhaps there was something a bit deeper, sort of like a Spiritual bond. . but again, I think that it would be interesting to see a Followup to this story.. perhaps Exchange Too would be a good title.. but then we could start to see that Ron might have some upcoming tough decisions to make..(Zita? Yori? Or maybe someone else? (But not his friend Kim!)) perhaps if this series could continue on perhaps we might see an inkling of what could be, but unless it happens.. It's anyone's Guess..

But when you get down to it.. Ron and Yori are perhaps the true form of Taoism that everyone tends to seek. A form of Balance.. and these two are much like the Symbol of Tao, Yin, and yang, balanced, Equal and unifom, yet their lives take different paths.. but you never know.. for perhaps sometime in the future we could see them achieve that balance and there in lies the Complexity. and maybe Kim could learn a few tricks of the Trade (Of Ninjitsu) as well. After all you know the door is still open for the writers to resolve this issue!;) But believe me, this is one issue best left to the Imagination of the writers..after all if Kim can date Josh Mankey, what would stop Ron from having a relationship with someone who could be (Tao-ismically Speaking) the Other half of His life? and with that I shall leave you to ponder this conundrum.

:coyote: (The Sage)