Here is a question on Saban.

[Pokejedservo]

Ah yes Saban, one of the original companies to actually dub anime and put it on TV. They have been known to doing that since the 1980's on Nickelodean. They were behind the infamous dubs of the 1st season of DBZ and Sailor Moon. And they got the rather mixed bag of a dub which was Digimon. (And the rather not-so successful dub of the movie.) Though to be fair they did bring out Samurai Pizza Cats which a lot of people loved too. However they got recently bought from Disney and aside from a few exceptions like Digimon they'll most likely be in a vault never to be touched by anyone else again. So aside from DBZ & Sailor Moon (due to various reasons) just about any anime that got dubbed by Saban is locked somewhere in the vaults of Disney

And unfortunately the chances of most of their works to be ever seen again are very minimal. (At least Jetix makes the chances slightly existant.) And due to Micheal Eisner's VERY bad reputation with other companies its extremely doubtful that anyone would help until he gets booted. But now that I told you that history lesson I shall get on with the question.

Its been strongly said that Saban made FUNi do all those edits to the 1st season of DBZ due to that Saban wanted to avoid the controversy that the Mighty Morphing Power Rangers had. At first glance it seemed to be like a understandable business decision, a very unfortunate one but it seemed to be necessary.

But when you think about it this decision was FAR from being a good one. Yes MMPR did have some controversy (Parents feared that kids would just beat other people up) but the thing is MMPR still made money. Heck it was Saban's biggest moneymaker, why SHOULD they care over some controversy? Its not like it made Saban lose money over it. And yet back when Saban was controlling FUNi for DBZ it actually had VERY mediocre ratings and didn't make a lot of money...

And now my question is finally this, what if Saban realized they DIDN'T have to highly edit DBZ like they did back then? Granted they wouldn't air the show uncut on TV anyways, but lets just say the edits would've been most likely for less. What if Saban actually realized that a bit more controversial shows do NOT automatically mean financial suicide. And of course not just DBZ but in the rest of their dubs afterwards.

Would have Saban fared greatly or would they have done barely any better than they already had? My answer is that they certainly would've fared better. (But I'm not quite sure how much better.) After all I will agree that Saban did have the potential to be better since they had a good amount of money after MMPR. Unlike those such as DiC whom never really had a hit after the early 90's. (Even though their current productions are the reason why they are still alive.)

[UberMonkey]

Ah yes Saban, one of the original companies to actually dub anime and put it on TV. They have been known to doing that since the 1980's on Nickelodean. They were behind the infamous dubs of the 1st season of DBZ and Sailor Moon. DiC did Sailor Moon.

A lot of what you say doesn't make sense. DBZ didn't start doing better and become such a phenomenon because it was edited less. It's because it was put in a place where people could actually watch it. I used to watch DBZ a bit when it was on Saban's syndicated block... it would be on at like 6AM Saturday Mornings on the WB, before the Kids' WB shows would start even. It wasn't until Cartoon Network got it and put it on Toonami that it was a big hit. And this was no different that was on before - the afternoon reruns were such a hit that it prompted FUNi to continue the series.

The edits Saban enforced were to fit broadcast standards. At the time, there's no possible way they could've done any less.

[Pokejedservo]

DiC did Sailor Moon.

A lot of what you say doesn't make sense. DBZ didn't start doing better and become such a phenomenon because it was edited less. It's because it was put in a place where people could actually watch it. I used to watch DBZ a bit when it was on Saban's syndicated block... it would be on at like 6AM Saturday Mornings on the WB, before the Kids' WB shows would start even. It wasn't until Cartoon Network got it and put it on Toonami that it was a big hit. And this was no different that was on before - the afternoon reruns were such a hit that it prompted FUNi to continue the series.

The edits Saban enforced were to fit broadcast standards. At the time, there's no possible way they could've done any less.Saban also had a time when they were dubbing SM as well, DiC were not the only ones doing it.

Oh sure when it FIRST got on Toonami it was basically just Saban reruns at first which did better due to its better timeslot. Then when FUNi did it themselves and did less editting on it and lets just say it didn't flop either.

While it is true that Broadcast standards are higher than Cable and as I even mentioned it earlier they couldn't have aired it uncut anyways on Broadcast. (MAYBE on CN but not Broadcast.) But lets just say it would've most likely been editted a bit less. So while they didn't do as badly as 4Kids did with YGO they did exceed a bit more than necessary. (Especially with those 15 episodes cut out.) Another lets just say at least those episodes would've been dubbed if Saban wised up a bit. And if you want another reason why well take a look at Pokemon. It too is on Broadcast and the word "Die" was actually said and there was hardly a episode cut out.

[Killtacular]

Many people think Saban doesn't exist anymore but that's not true. I think they changed name to SIP or something like that. They're in charge of W.I.T.C.H. for Disney Channel, that much I know..

[Pokejedservo]

Many people think Saban doesn't exist anymore but that's not true. I think they changed name to SIP or something like that. They're in charge of W.I.T.C.H. for Disney Channel, that much I know..
SIP?

Please do tell me more...

[Jaguar]

Many people think Saban doesn't exist anymore but that's not true. I think they changed name to SIP or something like that. They're in charge of W.I.T.C.H. for Disney Channel, that much I know..
It was Sensation Animation, according to CrystalAcids.com (http://www.crystalacids.com/database/recordstudio/sensation_animation.html).

[Killtacular]

It was Sensation Animation, according to CrystalAcids.com (http://www.crystalacids.com/database/recordstudio/sensation_animation.html).
You don't read very thoroughly, do you?


Also credited as: Saban Entertainment, Inc.

[UberMonkey]

Saban also had a time when they were dubbing SM as well, DiC were not the only ones doing it.Saban tried to get the liscense to make a half animated/half live action version of Sailor Moon starring a politcally correct group of valley girls. A video of this is available for download at Toonami Arsenal, I believe. However - they lost out to DiC. Later on, Cloverway handled the american dub of Sailor Moon.


Oh sure when it FIRST got on Toonami it was basically just Saban reruns at first which did better due to its better timeslot. Then when FUNi did it themselves and did less editting on it and lets just say it didn't flop either.You seem to be forgetting that DBZ was stuck in rerun mode for a LOOOONG time. The fanbase was already there when the less edited episodes came down the pike.


While it is true that Broadcast standards are higher than Cable and as I even mentioned it earlier they couldn't have aired it uncut anyways on Broadcast. (MAYBE on CN but not Broadcast.) But lets just say it would've most likely been editted a bit less. So while they didn't do as badly as 4Kids did with YGO they did exceed a bit more than necessary. (Especially with those 15 episodes cut out.) Another lets just say at least those episodes would've been dubbed if Saban wised up a bit. And if you want another reason why well take a look at Pokemon. It too is on Broadcast and the word "Die" was actually said and there was hardly a episode cut out.What? No. Can't show violence to children, children crying, excessive violence/blood/death... maybe some of the dialogue would be less corny, and some time edits could've been skipped, but they did most of that for a reason. Even so, making it more "controversial" and trying to push the envelope wouldn't help ratings. This argument makes no sense. MMPR didn't succeed because it was controversial. It became popular, then was deemed too violent by protective parents. Your logic is completely backwards. It'd still be in a syndicated block airing at the crack of dawn on whatever channel would have it. I don't think you'd see a huge ratings spike just because some things were changed less.

[Jaguar]

You don't read very thoroughly, do you?
=X I thought I did, I mean they had been Saban (of course) until after the ABC Family acquisition by Disney. Then they did Digimon season 4 and they were SA.

You're probably right though, they're most likely SIP'n now. =O

[ClockStomper]

Many people think Saban doesn't exist anymore but that's not true. I think they changed name to SIP or something like that. They're in charge of W.I.T.C.H. for Disney Channel, that much I know..According to the Digimon credits, Saban is now Sensation Animation. The Disney buyout killed Digimon by damning it to an unadvertised syndicated block.

[lostrune]

Many people think Saban doesn't exist anymore but that's not true. I think they changed name to SIP or something like that. They're in charge of W.I.T.C.H. for Disney Channel, that much I know..

Yep, Disney only bought Saban's assets (library, Fox Kids, Fox Family), not Saban itself. Saban is now very active in Europe. They just recently bid and bought a major German channel and its library. Maybe that's how they ended up with W.I.T.C.H.



According to the Digimon credits, Saban is now Sensation Animation. The Disney buyout killed Digimon by damning it to an unadvertised syndicated block.

The Digimon phenomenon died when it got relegated from Fox Kids to only * Family. I believe that was even before Disney bought out Saban.

[Jaguar]

Digimon didn't reappear on ABC Family until after the fourth season finished on UPN. That was in autumn of '03 when it reappeared, I believe.

[Pokejedservo]

I know that MMPR didn't get popular due to controversy but lets just say it didn't stop it either. And I know that its true that it could end up still being in synidication and the like. But this whole question is just simply hypothetical.

[UberMonkey]

Controversy didn't stop MMPR, but you shouldn't underestimate the effects of the dreaded Soccer Mom Syndrome. Power Rangers fought less and less before morphing, Michaelangelo was denied his nunchaku... if DBZ was edited less, the controversy you're hypothesizing it'd gain wouldn't make it more popular - it'd probably just make it more edited. And then we're back where we started.

[Dudley]

Many people think Saban doesn't exist anymore but that's not true. I think they changed name to SIP or something like that. They're in charge of W.I.T.C.H. for Disney Channel, that much I know..SIP Animation is short for Saban International Paris, Saban's animation studio. They made Diabolik, Walter Melon, and (Inspector) Gadget and the Gadgetinis, to name a few.

I'm surpirised no one mentioned how X-Men, Spider-Man, and other shows from Fox Kids was owned by Saban International. Since Disney bought the company, they try to pitch on Saban's formerly owned cash cows when they make movie of the comic book characters.

[Pokejedservo]

Controversy didn't stop MMPR, but you shouldn't underestimate the effects of the dreaded Soccer Mom Syndrome. Power Rangers fought less and less before morphing, Michaelangelo was denied his nunchaku... if DBZ was edited less, the controversy you're hypothesizing it'd gain wouldn't make it more popular - it'd probably just make it more edited. And then we're back where we started.
You certainly have made quite the valid points...