Gargoyles And 9/11?

[Raissa]

Hi,

I'm new, and I've been catching up. I've read the Disney editing standards thread, and I have a question:

If, hypothetically, Disney changed it's policies down the line and allowed commentary on 9/11 through it's shows and movies, do you want Gargoyles to take place in a universe where 9/11 happened, or not?

I say, yes, because the show takes place in NYC. Plus, various characters can bring their POVs to security issues, and the various magical creatures could chime in with why they should or should not help the humans in that time of crisis.

[MrBananagrabber]

Considering Gargoyles ended years ago, I don't think we'll have to worry about it. Regardless, I think that it would be incredibly tacky to have "magical creatures chime in" about 9/11, and even moreso to make it a plont point or something.

[TimTwoFace]

Yeah, GARGOYLES took place entirely prior to 9/11, so the terror attacks shouldn't be an issue. That said, I hope Disney doesn't plan on deleting any appearance of the Twin Towers in the background (whenever this show is re-released) so as not to "offend" anyone, like I know a lot of movies and TV shows did in the months just after the attacks. Honestly, I think that's pointless - and Disney has no reason to go down that path.

-Tim

[Raissa]

Sorry, that was poor word choice, and I do see your points. I'm just saying that on the thematic level it could be done. Disney is wrong to edit, but it seemed to me that the editing thread skirted the underlying issue: If Disney could handle 9/11, could we?

[ClockStomper]

No instance of the towers has been deleted from the shows airings thus far...

And would a 9/11 episode work? The only one who'd be awake while it happened would be Demona, and I'd think she'd be applauding. Which is why I think they wouldn't deal with it...the creators are particular about everyone acting in character...but Demona's obvious reaction would cause huge backlash.

[William C. Maune]

While it could be done, they are in the city and they protect the city, I don't think it should be done. It's already a few years later and assuming Gargoyles got back on the air it would be even longer. I don't see a need for Gargoyles to go back and focus on the event.

[STARTOUNZ]

The only one who'd be awake while it happened would be Demona, and I'd think she'd be applauding.
I don't think she'd necessarily be applauding. An event like this would only reassure her negative feelings toward humanity and likely drive her to devise another plot to wipe humans off the face of the Earth again, as she did in the "Hunter's Moon" arc.

[Paul_Cousins]

No instance of the towers has been deleted from the shows airings thus far...

And would a 9/11 episode work? The only one who'd be awake while it happened would be Demona, and I'd think she'd be applauding. Which is why I think they wouldn't deal with it...the creators are particular about everyone acting in character...but Demona's obvious reaction would cause huge backlash.I would not be too sure about that, the event might actually shock her to her senses.

Also, one of the reasons the World Trade Center was targeted was because it was the tallest building(s) in the city; this is not the case in the Gargoyles series because in the series the Eyrie Building is...

[Skeeter]

No instance of the towers has been deleted from the shows airings thus far...

And would a 9/11 episode work? The only one who'd be awake while it happened would be Demona, and I'd think she'd be applauding. Which is why I think they wouldn't deal with it...the creators are particular about everyone acting in character...but Demona's obvious reaction would cause huge backlash.
Why would Demona be the only one awake in 2001? The Gargoyles series originally aired five or six years before 9/11 happened; Goliath and the others awoke in '95 or '96. Had 9/11 happened in Gargoyles continuity, they would have been awake.

[STARTOUNZ]

He's talking about the fact that since the 9/11 attacks occured in the daytime, the other gargoyles would be in their stone sleep while Demona (thanks to Puck's spell) would be awake in human form and easily would have seen the event unfold in the media.

[Skeeter]

He's talking about the fact that since the 9/11 attacks occured in the daytime, the other gargoyles would be in their stone sleep while Demona (thanks to Puck's spell) would be awake in human form and easily would have seen the event unfold in the media.
Ah, right. Excuse the lapse in common sense; work has me tired and my feet hurting.

Actually, though, in the Gargoyles universe do you think that the Eyrie building may also have been a target along with the Pentagon, WTC and wherever the fourth plane was headed?

[shogunthethird]

had the terrorists tried to crash a plane into the Eyrie it wouldn't have worked
considering the defenses Owen had built in during "the Gathering" two-parter the Eyrie was able to withstand an assault by Oberon, king of the third race I doubt the planes would be able to penetrate the shield to say nothing of what a few anti-aircraft plasma cannons and a few hundred Steel Clan robots and on top of that I doubt the Illuminati would stand for an attack on one of their own

[Skeeter]

had the terrorists tried to crash a plane into the Eyrie it wouldn't have worked
considering the defenses Owen had built in during "the Gathering" two-parter the Eyrie was able to withstand an assault by Oberon, king of the third race I doubt the planes would be able to penetrate the shield to say nothing of what a few anti-aircraft plasma cannons and a few hundred Steel Clan robots and on top of that I doubt the Illuminati would stand for an attack on one of their own
The Pentagon and the WTC had no prior warning of the attacks. What makes you think that Owen's defenses, anti-aircraft cannons or Steel Clan robots would have been activated in time to protect the Eyrie building? Would they even know that the Eyrie building was targeted?

The same goes for the Illuminati. They may very well do something after an attack on the Eyrie building, but not before if they had no prior warning.

[shogunthethird]

Considering the building's security can pick up when the clan approaches the building it sets off the defenses I'm pretty sure a jetliner headed toward the Eyrie would be noticed a lot sooner, also large aircraft aren't nearly as agile as gargoyles

[Skeeter]

Considering the building's security can pick up when the clan approaches the building it sets off the defenses I'm pretty sure a jetliner headed toward the Eyrie would be noticed a lot sooner, also large aircraft aren't nearly as agile as gargoyles
But I'm pretty sure a large aircraft would be considerably faster than a gargoyle. Not to mention that the terrorists piloting the jet would probably plow right through the Steel Clan and any other defenses to get to the Eyrie Building.

[William C. Maune]

As it is their job to know, I would bet The Illuminati would have superior information gathering capabilities and information sharing networks.

[Tobias]

I don't think 9/11 should be dealt with if this show were to return. Have the buildings there in their full glory for all to see so we can remember what we had intead of how we lost it.

[shogunthethird]

Well that explains why we can't find Bin Laden two hundred bucks says he's taken up permanent residence in the Hotel Cabal

[SNS]

While there obviously won't be an episode on this (even if Gargoyles returns) I wonder if anyone has written a fanfic on it (there's been lots of fanfics where characters from a series react to the events of 9/11).