'Matrix' co-producer to have sex-change

[RZetlin]

Sounds as though Larry Wachowski -- half of the Chicago-born, super-successful brother team (along with sib Andy) who created "The Matrix'' film -- is about to make a big, life-altering move.

According to those close to the extremely reclusive duo, Larry will finally become "Linda.'' He's been living and dressing as a woman for some time, and reportedly is preparing to take the final step and have sex-change surgery. As always, it was impossible to get comment from the press-shy brothers, but longtime friends of the Rogers Park native confirm Wachowski is planning to complete the process of becoming a woman.

source (http://www.chicagoredstreak.com/entertainment/mid-news-midwacho29.html)

I didn't believe it either until I found another source (http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/0430sexchange.html).

I think this sums up my reaction: :eek:

[MovieGuy]

**throwing up**
**throwing up**
**throwing up**
**throwing up**

That is scary.

**throwing up**:eek:
:twoshoes:

[Eddie G.]

Well more power to him, I hope that he is happy with this new lifestyle and body.

[Discloner]

While I can't help but be slightly shocked (After all, this guy helped make one of, if not the, most action packed movie ever) I agree with The Blue Wolf. More power to him.

Sadly though...I see a media frenzy developing over this. :sad:

[wrenchien]

thas so nice. so nice i too wish to vomit. nice runny stream into the toilet.

oh how i wish vomitoriums were a part of modern culture, that would make things a lot easier when you need to throw up.

although the wallbanger's that used to be in my town.. well, that was a good place to induce vomiting.

[Eddie G.]

I am slightly disgusted by all these vomiting comments. This thread didn't have to be closed, but you guys are getting offensive.

[Behonkiss]

I won't vomit, but I will say this:

This is really, really, really, out of the blue and weird.

[Simpler Simon]

:eek:

I mean really...what else do you say to news like that?

:eek:

[Lord Dalek]

Wow...







I don't have anything more too add...



:eek:

[Sigma]

Well this is suprising, but it's his life and he can do whatever he wants with and when you have as much money as he does then you can afford to become a woman.

[Nick Biped]

Well, no wonder they're so press-shy. I guess something like this would be hard to hide, though.

Anyways, this is really surprising to me, especially considering the person's relatively famous. But I guess if he wants to go for the sex-change, that's his perogative. I wonder how accepted he'll be in Hollywood after this, though? :shrug:

[Delthayre]

Well, I have no qualms with him doing this. Such choice is fully and fairly within the province of the individual.

But I do reserve the right to be just a bit stunned by those. I may not mind such procedures, but I can't help but find something about them rather strange

[krazymed]

If men and women were truly equal, having a sex change operation wouldn't mean anything.

[Eddie G.]

If men and women were truly equal, having a sex change operation wouldn't mean anything.What? I like wearing a Red Sox cap, does that mean I'm not equal to people who don't wear hats? He wants to be a woman, it has nothing to do with social issues.

[Fone Bone]

Wild. I hope he knows what he's doing. These things aren't easily reversed.

Part of me still thinks this is a hoax.

[krazymed]

What? I like wearing a Red Sox cap, does that mean I'm not equal to people who don't wear hats? He wants to be a woman, it has nothing to do with social issues.
Women are allowed to wear caps, though, so that's a step in the right direction.

I wasn't trying to make a social issue out of it, but if Larry is wearing dresses and calling himself "Linda," then how is a man becoming a woman NOT a social issue?

[The Penguin]

Anyways, this is really surprising to me, especially considering the person's relatively famous. But I guess if he wants to go for the sex-change, that's his perogative. I wonder how accepted he'll be in Hollywood after this, though? :shrug:I get the feeling that neither really strives for much acceptance. It's tough to be accepted if you don't go out and see the people you would be accepted by. Andy Wachowski and his currently brother, Larry have put together an impressive trilogy and I expect they will be judged on that by others who want to work with them.

[GL2k2]

I really am not too surprised to hear this. They have a very strange undertone in their films. Look at the sado-maschoist scenery in Club Hell (Matrix Revolutions) or for that matter all of the films characters dressings. The two characters that I'm sure you will pick out as kinda strange in the first Matrix. Or the lesbian characters and them in Bound. The list goes on, include all this with their fascination with Clive Barker (They worked on some of his comic books) and their reclusiveness, I'm not shocked. Sickened, but not shocked.

[JDuncan]

I guess this provides a bit of an explanation as to why the Matrix sequels sucked so much (ooh, burnnnnnn!)

[Youko Recca]

Not the smartest thing to do...but...I can take a gander that it takes atleast some bravery...

[Nick Biped]

I get the feeling that neither really strives for much acceptance. It's tough to be accepted if you don't go out and see the people you would be accepted by. Andy Wachowski and his currently brother, Larry have put together an impressive trilogy and I expect they will be judged on that by others who want to work with them.
I hope that's the case. Regardless of what people may think of Larry's decision to turn into "Linda", I'd hope they could look past that and appreciate the chance to work with "her" and Andy based on their professional success, and not what they do with their private lives.

[ClockStomper]

I say go for it...although doing hormone treatrment might be better/safer first. Last we saw Larry, it didn't look like he was taking estrogen...I think he still had stuble at the 'Revolutions' premiere.

[screw on head]

I heard this a while ago, and I'm surprised to hear it again. Hey, that Wachowski brother can do whatever he wants with his body, he's certainly earned the money to do so.

But it begs the question, if the two Wachowskis directed another movie together, would they be creditted as the Wachowski Siblings?

[Icer]

Haha that's awesome.

[SirLemming]

I heard a rumor about this a while ago.


All I can say is, now that they've made their trilogy, which they will surely never surpass, I couldn't care less about whatever the heck they do afterward. And neither will most people.

[The Dork Knight]

Those wacky Wachowski's...

- The Dork Knight

[Deadly Messiah]

Wow, guess all the philosphy and riddles in the Matrix Trilogy made him go off the deep end.

[Eddie G.]

Wow, guess all the philosphy and riddles in the Matrix Trilogy made him go off the deep end.Not really, there's nothing crazy about having a sex change.

[Master Moron]

I don't really agree with gender identity surgeries. Actually, I don't agree with plastic surgery at all with a few exceptions. I think there's something wrong with a society that is so disgusted with the way that they look that they have to pay thousands of dollars to be happy with themselves. As for the vomiting comments, ever seen those plastic surgery reality shows? I almost vomit whenever I see them. I don't see how anybody can watch those shows and not feel like vomiting. If I ever saw a sex change operation I'm sure I'd vomit as well.

I really don't see why Larry Wachowski can't wear a dress and dress like a woman without getting expensive surgery. I mean, really surgery is only a physical change anyway. I mean, he'll still have one X and one Y chromosome. He'll still be a man after he's had the surgery.

[The Detective]

The difference of reactions between this thread and this (http://http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=109893)thread are quite amusing.

[Simpler Simon]

I've been scouring the net, and there's a lot of conflicting rumours about Larry W.'s true intentions. It's known that he's been dressing more like a woman and took on a dominatrix :eek: as his wife, but the sex change may be false.


I think there's something wrong with a society that is so disgusted with the way that they look that they have to pay thousands of dollars to be happy with themselves.

I really don't see why Larry Wachowski can't wear a dress and dress like a woman without getting expensive surgery.
This isn't a matter of being too fat, or wanting to have higher cheek bones, or implanted pecs. If he truly feels like he's a woman, then he should look like a woman to complete the change.

[Classic Speedy]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... OK.... :sweat:

All I've gotta say is this: As long as we're not subjected to another Michael Jackson-style deal, well, it's his decision. (Come on... you KNEW somebody would bring up Jackson ;) )

EDIT:
I don't really agree with gender identity surgeries. Actually, I don't agree with plastic surgery at all with a few exceptions. I think there's something wrong with a society that is so disgusted with the way that they look that they have to pay thousands of dollars to be happy with themselves. As for the vomiting comments, ever seen those plastic surgery reality shows? I almost vomit whenever I see them. I don't see how anybody can watch those shows and not feel like vomiting. If I ever saw a sex change operation I'm sure I'd vomit as well. I wholeheartedly agree. Anytime commercials for "The Swan" come on, I quickly change the channel. :shrug:

[True Noir]

Whoa.............!!!!!!! That's creepy. I don't understand why ppl do that. I guess people are gonna remember him as the guy who changed sexes instead of the guy who helped produce one of the most coolest movies ever.

[Starflyer 58]

I guess this provides a bit of an explanation as to why the Matrix sequels sucked so much (ooh, burnnnnnn!) Oh sure, because as we all know, being a man or a woman has such a massive affect on artistic integrity.

Some people!

Anyway, this is old news. David Poland (http://www.thehotbutton.com/today/hot.button/2003_thb/030530_fri.html) had some very grounding things to say about it last year, when the rumors were first going around. Puts a lot into perspective.

[Conekiller]

"the new film by the Watchowski siblings!":D

[JDuncan]

Oh sure, because as we all know, being a man or a woman has such a massive affect on artistic integrity.

Some people!There was a bit of poorly executed innuendo in there, guess you didn't catch it.

[Master Moron]

This isn't a matter of being too fat, or wanting to have higher cheek bones, or implanted pecs. If he truly feels like he's a woman, then he should look like a woman to complete the change. I really don't see the difference. What if someone feels like a slim guy in a fat man's body? Should he get liposuction? What does "feeling like a woman" entail? Being a woman has less to do with body parts and outward appearances than it does with genes. If he "feels" like wearing dresses and putting on makeup, fine, but getting surgery? That's just completely unnatural.

What about people who attempt to change their race through surgery? What about Asian people who "feel" like white people and attempt to make their eyes less slanted? And yes, it does happen.

[Jade_GL]

If people want to change themselves and have the money, oh well. They can live with the consequences.

It's like getting a piercing or a tattoo on a much larger scale. It's something that you have to live with forever and if people feel like they can live with themselves better for doing it, that's their business.

I just don't care. No one is strapping me to a chair and either a) forcing me to watch the surgery or b) forcing me to get surgery, so big whoop.

[Classic Speedy]

What about people who attempt to change their race through surgery? What about Asian people who "feel" like white people and attempt to make their eyes less slanted? And yes, it does happen. Primetime Glick made fun of this sort of thing, when Jiminy did his opening monologue: "It's no longer politically correct to call myself a 'white dude', I am to call myself a 'Tibetain-American'. And you might think, 'Oh, you don't look Chinese!' But you see, my parents had my eyes normalized." Yeah, in real life, it's stupid, but that Glick scene is hilarious. :D

[Anime 51]

As far as I'm concerned, if you have a problem with this then you need to ... wait for it ... FREE YOUR MIND.:D
(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

[Anyone00]

First there was M.U.L.E. then there was The Matrix........

.....and I hope someone got that joke.


Oh well, no more Wachowski Brother's Films.

[simpspin]

I haven't read all the messages and I don't know if someone asked, but will the surgery be done in bullet-time?

[Carolina Red]

This is completely unexpected. I bet sometime in the future he'll - or should I saw she'll - give an interview and explain why this all happened. Then we'll get a better idea.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

What the heck?!?!?

Add that to list of things I wasn't expecting to hear in my life time. Though I've never paid any attention to the Wachowski's personal lifes.

Still Wachowski Brothers is such a catchy title. Like the Super Mario Bros. or The Brothers Chaps. Wachowski Sibblings could work I guess. Maybe they wont make anymore movies. I guess we just don't know.

I'm morally against alteration surgery of any kind. People should be happy with who they are. If someone gets in an accident... that's one thing but if people just want to "improve" themselves then it's an awful shame.

[Ed Liu]

Howdy,

Having known someone who underwent gender change surgery, I am completely certain that it is not a decision that is made lightly or easily. You don't just wake up one morning and think to yourself, "Hey, I'm going to go have a sex change today!"

There are also no small medical and bureaucratic hurdles to clear to get the surgery done. It's not like you can call a plastic surgeon and say, "I'd like an appointment for a gender change. How's next week look?"

This is major surgery. There is a very real health risk in doing it.

There are plenty of issues to deal with afterwards. You think meeting someone when you're hetero is tough?

If you have issues with gender change, I can totally understand and accept that. I just know that your feelings may change radically if you're faced with it as a concrete reality rather than an abstract concept.

My friend is someone I trust implicitly. She's still one of the finest programmers I've ever known, and I'll have her back when the bullets start flying, just like I know she'll have mine. None of that changed when he became a she.

With all that out of the way, so what if a Wachowski brother wants to have a sex change?

-- Ed/Ace

[Chris Wood]

I don't see what the big deal is. I'm sure lots of people have altered appearances inside the Matrix. Like all those snazzy threads that Neo and Trinity are always wearing. It's just a matter of changing some lines of code.

[FredNash]

Oh well, no more Wachowski Brother's Films.
No more for me at least, but not because of this. If anyone needs a reason to not watch any movie the Wachowski "Brothers" might put out they don't have to go any further than Reloaded and Revolutions...

[Tanooki]

If men and women were truly equal, having a sex change operation wouldn't mean anything.you were trying to be thoughtful and meaningful, but it didn't work

personally, i think all women that used to be men are down right fugly. but, if he wants to change, go for it

yeck

Hero

[Caffeine King]

Wow...that's...nasty. :eek:

[scy1990]

Considering I havn't even seen the Matrix, I have no idea who this is referring to...but personally, I think having your sex changed is sick and quite odd.