How would YOU fix Toon Disney?

[Vyse]

A recent feature from IGN Filmforce (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/509/509413p3.html) ranks the best and worst channels on cable. Toon Disney was called "Questionable":

Toon Disney (http://psc.disney.go.com/abcnetworks/toondisney/index.html)
Unlike Boomerang, Toon Disney runs their programs with ad breaks and a pretty obtrusive logo. While this is a good place to find some of the best of Disney's syndicated television product from the '80s and '90s, the channel could go a little further towards making it more viewer-friendly.
With that in mind (I'm suprised they did not even mention the live-action Power Rangers on an animation network), how would you fix Toon Disney to make it watchable and/or a better viewing experience? Would you tone down or eliminate the ad breaks? Would you make the logo better/unobtrusive? Would you allow Disney cartoons from before 1980 on the air? Would you air the Saban/Fox Kids library, outside of Digimon and PR? Speaking of which, will you get rid of the show on Toon Disney? How would you treat Jetix? Or, will you revive TD into the Jetix channel? Fantasy schedules are optional.

[disneyfan89]

Hi Vyse,

By anhy chance, would you happen to know how they rated Disney Channel vs. Nickelodeon and CN? That'd be interesting to know...

Yes, I would change TD's logo into a more sleek design, such as Disney Channel's. But that is the least of their worries. I think that they should do a study and find out what people want to watch the most. If it were up to me, I would tone down the commercials and take off Power Rangers...I mean, what's up with that??? I don't know what else I would do, truth be told. Something about Toon Disney just doesn't feel right to me, and I can't put my thumb on it. I will need to think about this. LOL

disneyfan89

[loyalheart]

i would bring back disney afternoon shows, uncut if possible, i dont know, ToonDisney was never really enjoyable to me. Even when the good stuff were on it was kinda questionable then to IMHO

maybe if disney could style it after disney channel in the 80's-mid 90s, it would be decent? I dont know...:sad:

[Kyl416]

I would bring back "The Ink and Paint Club", that show that used to air at 5am on The Disney Channel.

[Tobias]

Eliminate commercials and let their shows and movies run uncut. Use the left seven mintues after each show for classic Disney shorts and movie previews.

Stop running the same shows four times a day, twice should be the most. This is Toon DISNEY, every Disney cartoon should be here, not just the ones that are from the last ten years.

Put more original shows on Disney. Lilo & Stitch could have premiered on a TD Disney Afternoon block, and Kim Possible could get a nice comfy primetime slot.

[Kyl416]

They would never eliminate commercials, because of the money revenue.

In fact starting in Mid-May, The N will air commercials. And Disney is considering adding commercials to The Disney Channel.

[disneyfan89]

Hi Kyl416,


The Disney Channel may have commercials added-and not the promotional ones, either? That could be kinda interesting....I don't know if I would like it. Any idea on when it may take place if it does? Just wondering, where did you hear that?

disneyfan89

[Silly McGooses]

First of all, I'd take off those damn power rangers and all of Jetix.
Then, I'd have a Disney animated feature on every night.
I still can't believe they never show classic toons on Toon Disney (it's so incredibly stupid!) And so I'd start putting 2-hour blocks on every day.
Take out Pepper Ann (I hate that show)
get rid of the annying boucing ball that takes up half the screen at some times.
Get new House of Mouse episodes.
Show more early 90s toons, or at least put them on at times when people could actually watch them.

[Vyse]

Here is what I think Toon Disney SHOULD do:

1) Cartoon Network-like ad breaks. About 1-2 minutes between the show and 4-5 after it or something similar to it. Hey, it works.
2) Redesign that logo. I went to the websites of some of the international TD channels, and they, too, adopted the Disney Channel-style logo we have currently for the tween/teen net. It's sleek and it works.
3) Air something from before 1980 and do it regularly. Cartoon Network still airs Tom and Jerry shorts every single weekday. Why can't Toon Disney do the same for the Disney shorts?
4) Exploit that library that cost Disney over $1 billion. That library I'm referring to is the Saban/Fox Kids library. Get back the US rights to air Bobby's World and Eek! the Cat and start airing some Ghostbusters, Dennis the Menace, and Killer Tomatoes for once!
5) Remove PR from the lineup. 'nuff said.
6) Tone down the Jetix graphics. I never saw Jetix on TD before, but if its in-show graphics presentation (cards and all) are like that on ABC Family, then we have a problem.
7) Go uncensored on some, if not all, of the shows. No more edits to make the show "politically correct and sensitive" or to fit within the allowed time left over from the ads.
8) No 4-a-days of the same show. 2 is alright. 3 is kinda reasonable. 4 is stupid.

If all else fails,
9) Revamp TD as Jetix with a toned-down graphics presentation. Hey, Jetix will be a channel everywhere else on the planet; why not make the US version of Jetix a channel and not some block or two of action shows?

[loyalheart]

who does own Bobby's World now?

[Kyl416]

Hi Kyl416,


The Disney Channel may have commercials added-and not the promotional ones, either? That could be kinda interesting....I don't know if I would like it. Any idea on when it may take place if it does? Just wondering, where did you hear that?

disneyfan89I heard it on TVWeek.com a few months ago. They didn't say they are going to have commercials definitely, but they are considering it. The only reason Disney Channel doesn't have commercials is because it was originally a premium cable channel. They only made the shift to a basic cable channel 4 years ago. Some cable companies still charge $10 a month for it. Up untill last summer my cable company was still ripping us off, 'er, charging us $10 a month for it.

[Kyl416]

who does own Bobby's World now?I think it's still part of the Fox Kids library that Disney now owns.

IIRC, Fox Kids Europe still airs it.

[disneyfan89]

Thanks for the info, Kyl416! That's some food for thought!


disneyfan89

[Wolfcruiser]

I think the channel would be more watchable by eliminating all the crappy newer stuff and airing CLASSIC Disney TV gems,or giving BETTER times to catch the others at (Talespin and Bonkers are given a backseat literally). Shows that need more exposure:

The Gummi Bears
Talespin
Darkwing Duck
Goof Troop
Bonkers

[Vyse]

Hi Vyse,

By anhy chance, would you happen to know how they rated Disney Channel vs. Nickelodeon and CN? That'd be interesting to know...

Yes, I would change TD's logo into a more sleek design, such as Disney Channel's. But that is the least of their worries. I think that they should do a study and find out what people want to watch the most. If it were up to me, I would tone down the commercials and take off Power Rangers...I mean, what's up with that??? I don't know what else I would do, truth be told. Something about Toon Disney just doesn't feel right to me, and I can't put my thumb on it. I will need to think about this. LOL

disneyfan89According to the article, CN got the highest praise possible, along with sister channel Boomerang and fellow Turner channel TCM (discuss the praise at the CN Forums (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=109678)). They did not mention Disney Channel or Nickelodeon, although Nick's sister nets MTV and Comedy Central got bad scores (MTV was "Bad" and CC "Questionable"; if you want to talk about those channels' marks, go to The Entertainment Board).

[rmarti3926]

I say, leave Talespin, Darkwing Duck, Bonkers and Gargoyles UNCUT and in their entirety.

[Paul_Cousins]

I say, leave Talespin, Darkwing Duck, Bonkers and Gargoyles UNCUT and in their entirety.
I second that.

[disneyfan89]

Hi Vyse,

I read that right after I posted it. LOL Thanks for the help! :D

I think it would have been cool if they mentioned DC and Nick, as to get a comparison. That would have been interesting, IMO...

disnayfan89

[Jeff Harris]

Here is what I think Toon Disney SHOULD do:

1) Cartoon Network-like ad breaks. About 1-2 minutes between the show and 4-5 after it or something similar to it. Hey, it works.
2) Redesign that logo. I went to the websites of some of the international TD channels, and they, too, adopted the Disney Channel-style logo we have currently for the tween/teen net. It's sleek and it works.
3) Air something from before 1980 and do it regularly. Cartoon Network still airs Tom and Jerry shorts every single weekday. Why can't Toon Disney do the same for the Disney shorts?
4) Exploit that library that cost Disney over $1 billion. That library I'm referring to is the Saban/Fox Kids library. Get back the US rights to air Bobby's World and Eek! the Cat and start airing some Ghostbusters, Dennis the Menace, and Killer Tomatoes for once!
5) Remove PR from the lineup. 'nuff said.
6) Tone down the Jetix graphics. I never saw Jetix on TD before, but if its in-show graphics presentation (cards and all) are like that on ABC Family, then we have a problem.
7) Go uncensored on some, if not all, of the shows. No more edits to make the show "politically correct and sensitive" or to fit within the allowed time left over from the ads.
8) No 4-a-days of the same show. 2 is alright. 3 is kinda reasonable. 4 is stupid.Vyse, you almost had me convienced that this was the way to go, until you wrote this:


If all else fails,
9) Revamp TD as Jetix with a toned-down graphics presentation. Hey, Jetix will be a channel everywhere else on the planet; why not make the US version of Jetix a channel and not some block or two of action shows?Sorry, hermano, that's not gonna fly. Toon Disney should remain Toon Disney. It clearly identifies who's running the show and what they're all about. They're ran by Disney, and they're all about toons. They say they air the finest toons on the planet. They need to prove it! They own the nation's second-largest animation library (guess who owns the first?), including the works of several different animation studios and production companies from all over the world.

I'll admit it. I'm a CN-guy, but if Disney learns to use what they have as well as develop new products (and make them true Toon Disney exclusives rather than having them shared with other networks), maybe I'll reconsider them. Heck, I'll look at them with rediscovered respect if they do at least a fraction of what you suggested, especially if they prove that they didn't waste $5 billion on just one network and show some of the actual "Sensation"/Fox Kids library on Toon Disney. I'll be happy if they show a School House Rock short or two.

They just need somebody at the network that's not so blinded by what's cool for the moment or thin-skinned about content. They need someone who appreciates animation as both an art form and a visual treat for the senses. Someone who can appreciate something like The Concert and Gummi Bears alongside something like Mad Jack the Pirate and Xyber 9. If they get someone that "gets" it, I think that Toon Disney will be the network that'll be loved by the masses, not to mention register a blip on the consciousness of the public.

[SNS]

Toon Disney doesn't need fixing however it would be nice if they added a second weekday timelot for Power Rangers & start a run on it from the first episode of MMPR to the last episode of Wildforce.

[Jeff Harris]

Toon Disney doesn't need fixing however it would be nice if they added a second weekday timelot for Power Rangers & start a run on it from the first episode of MMPR to the last episode of Wildforce.*sigh* They're already planning that in the fall (the two PR airings, not the whole starting form the beginning, otherwise they'd take a little over two years to tell the whole show without reruns), which is a terrible mistake in my opinion.

Let's see. ABC Family shows the series on their Jetix lineup. Disney Channel should show the series on their lineup, presumable late afternoon in a totally refocused block on the network. Toon Disney does NOT need to show a second weekday slot of Power Rangers.

Toon Disneys does NOT need to show a FIRST weekday slot of Power Rangers either. In fact, Power Rangers does not belong on Toon Disney for one reason, and one reason only.

Power Rangers is not a CARTOON!

Now I know that Power Rangers is CARTOONISH, but that doesn't mean that it's a CARTOON. And TOON Disney needs to show as many CARTOONS as they can, and Power Rangers just disrupted that flow in a bad way. I mean, what's going to prevent the powers that be at Disney from putting more live-action shows on Toon Disney? They opened up Pandora's box when Jetix aired PR on Toon Disney, and somebody smart needs to shut that box soon before it really gets out of hand.

[Kyl416]

*sigh* They're already planning that over the summer.Where'd you hear this?

[Jeff Harris]

Where'd you hear this?This very board (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=105665), only it's not the summer . . . it's the fall.

Here's the Fall '04 weeknight schedule:

Jetix block on Toon Disney; 2004-5 season, beginning fall 2004
Monday-Thursday:
7p The Legend of Tarzan
7:30p Power Rangers DinoThunder
8p Beyblade G-Revolution
8:30p Power Rangers Ninja Storm
9p Beyblade VForce (Friday Beyblade VForce)
9:30p Digimon (Friday Digimon)

So, two airings of a live-action show on an all-animation network . . . oy.

[Kyl416]

Oh, I already heard about that. I thought you were talking about them airing MMPR from the beginning like SNS suggested.

[Jave]

Give the classic cartoons decent exposure. I'm surprised that Disney (of all networks) doesn't show their classic cartoons considering they were some of the best stuff to come out during the "Golden Age". Toon Disney wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for them.

Sure, they're releasing them in DVDs, but not everyone can afford them.

[Tash]

the problem:

They have about 6 shows that come on 4 times a day, and take up half of the network. Now I'm so sick of Weekenders I could scream...

[Antiyonder]

Give the classic cartoons decent exposure. I'm surprised that Disney (of all networks) doesn't show their classic cartoons considering they were some of the best stuff to come out during the "Golden Age".

Because, Disney is mostly trying to cater to preschoolers and teeny boppers, when they should be trying to entertain the whole family.

As TottokoHamutaro and I have said, both Toon Disney and the Disney Channel airs quite a bit of their show 2-4 times a day. If they would quit with the shallow decisions then they wouldn't even need Toon Disney.

Keep Recess, House Of Mouse, Kim Possible, Lilo And Stitch, Proud Family and Dave The Barbarian. Air them once a day. Should give the network some spare timeslots for their Classic Toons or Toon Disney shows.

Send Lizzie McGuire, Sister Sister and That's So Raven to ABC or ABC Family. These are the Teeny Bopper shows I'm refering too.

Playhouse Disney- Air each PD show once a day. Keep it of Weekends mornings. At least Nick has the sense to keep their Nick Jr shows off on Saturday and Sunday.


Does anyone agree?

[disneyfan89]

Hi antiyonder,


I definitely agree with the fact that Playhouse Disney should not air during the weekend! In fact, I wish it did not have to air at all. LOL I wonder what Disney would do if we petitioned them not to give Playhouse Disney so much airtime. Hey, with a new person in charge of the Disney Channel could come good things, right? By the way, does anybody know when this is supposed to take effect?

On second thought, maybe Disney should make a Playhouse Disney Channel like they did in the UK! :D That'd be excellent!

disneyfan89

[Antiyonder]

Hi antiyonder,


I definitely agree with the fact that Playhouse Disney should not air during the weekend! In fact, I wish it did not have to air at all. LOL I wonder what Disney would do if we petitioned them not to give Playhouse Disney so much airtime. Hey, with a new person in charge of the Disney Channel could come good things, right? By the way, does anybody know when this is supposed to take effect?

On second thought, maybe Disney should make a Playhouse Disney Channel like they did in the UK! :D That'd be excellent!

disneyfan89

That the FCC should realize that Disney is suppose to entertain the entire family not just the preschoolers and kindergarteners.

Then they should make their own network (a local broadcast network). Then buy the rights for Playhouse Disney and Nick Jr shows. Make a few of their own, then they can air the educational stuff without dragging Disney and Nickelodeon down with them. The network could be called The EBR (Educational Brain Rottng) Channel.

[magicjac]

If I were to fix Toon Disney, I would of course cut Jetix. Jetix is a nice Disney action block, but it belongs on ABC Family. Plus, Power Rangers is a live action show, so what's it doing on TOON Disney? I would eliminate commercials and run classic Disney shorts instead. I would run all Disney shows uncut, that means that you would be seeing Gargoyles' episode "Deadly Forces" uncut and original in syndication. I would mainly focus on classic Disney shorts and classic Disney Afternoon shows. That's how I would fix Toon Disney.

[disneyfan89]

Then they should make their own network (a local broadcast network). Then buy the rights for Playhouse Disney and Nick Jr shows. Make a few of their own, then they can air the educational stuff without dragging Disney and Nickelodeon down with them. The network could be called The EBR (Educational Brain Rottng) Channel.
That sounds like a great idea, Antiyonder! Especially the name (EBR)! :D

disneyfan89

[Kyl416]

Then they should make their own network (a local broadcast network). Then buy the rights for Playhouse Disney and Nick Jr shows. Make a few of their own, then they can air the educational stuff without dragging Disney and Nickelodeon down with them. The network could be called The EBR (Educational Brain Rottng) Channel.They already have something like that, it's called PBS

[disneyfan89]

LOL, Kyl416!

I really do wish that Nick and Disney would just combine their kiddie junk and put it all on one channel. This would give them more of what the preschoolers want and us more of what we want!

disneyfan89

[Shadow_Wolf75]

Getting back on topic, here's how I'd do things . . .

-Get rid of Power Rangers and/or Jetix altogether. Disney doesn't need to show anime, they need to show their own stuff! Digimon can stay, toss Beyblade though.

-No airing any show more than twice a day. I'm looking at you, Weekenders, Recess, Teamo Supremo, Lloyd in Space, and House of Mouse. All these shows are barely shades of their superior predecessors and don't deserve that much airtime.

-Make better use of the recently acquired Fox Kids/Saban library. I wanna see Xyber 9 again, dammit! There's even episodes of that particular show that weren't aired in the states, I wanna see those too.

-Make better use of their entire library, period! Have Talespin on during the daytime, and uncut too! I mean, crap, this ran uncut originally, why the hell can't it now? All of their great shows from the 80's should be getting more respect than they are now.

-Don't air movies so damn much, or at least get more new ones! It's always a Land Before Time movie, or the second Secret of Nimh movie (the first was infinitely superior to it), or one of those House of Mouse specials. There's got to be better movies out there . . .

[tucsoncoyote]

the problem:

They have about 6 shows that come on 4 times a day, and take up half of the network. Now I'm so sick of Weekenders I could scream...
I hear ya on that one Tottoko, and believe me if I see or hear Pepper Ann one more time.. I'll be pulling my hair out by the roots! (and I'll become BALD!)

But in terms of Fixing Toon Disney? I would say keep the Good Classical Disney Afternoon stuff, and get rid of stuff like Pepper Anne (and cut back on the Weekenders..) but bring back the good stuff..(And axe Mighty Ducks ! PLEASE!)

:coyote:

[tucsoncoyote]

Getting back on topic, here's how I'd do things . . .

-Get rid of Power Rangers and/or Jetix altogether. Disney doesn't need to show anime, they need to show their own stuff! Digimon can stay, toss Beyblade though.

-No airing any show more than twice a day. I'm looking at you, Weekenders, Recess, Teamo Supremo, Lloyd in Space, and House of Mouse. All these shows are barely shades of their superior predecessors and don't deserve that much airtime.

-Make better use of the recently acquired Fox Kids/Saban library. I wanna see Xyber 9 again, dammit! There's even episodes of that particular show that weren't aired in the states, I wanna see those too.

-Make better use of their entire library, period! Have Talespin on during the daytime, and uncut too! I mean, crap, this ran uncut originally, why the hell can't it now? All of their great shows from the 80's should be getting more respect than they are now.

-Don't air movies so damn much, or at least get more new ones! It's always a Land Before Time movie, or the second Secret of Nimh movie (the first was infinitely superior to it), or one of those House of Mouse specials. There's got to be better movies out there . . .Actually Shadow_Wolf75, I agree about Ditching the Toon Disney side of the Jetix Block (keep it on ABC Family however. after all ABC Family's Jetix could become the replacement for ABC Kids if and when ABC Broadcasting tires of trying to keep kids shows on..

I also agree on the Multiple showing issue (just run shows once a Day and the shows you mentioned are perfect Candidates..(It's funny that Recess is being now run 4 times a Day (2 on Disney Channel, 2 on Toon Disney) Recess is really starting to get beaten to death like a dead horse..(whoever Conceptualized Teamo Supremo should never let this show run more then once a WEEK!) as for the Weekenders.. I say once a day is quite enough..)
but Please axe Pepper Ann.. Please!)

as for the newly accquired Saban issues heck yeah.. put on Xyber 9, and even Knights of Tiranogg for that matter..Just keep Big Bad Bettle borgs on once a day and use that Saban Library to it's fullest..

As for the Movies.. indeed too many times and you are definitely beating a Dead horse here..(After all I've seen more then enough times.. The Secret of Nimh 2..)

(But good ideas there Shadow_wolf75..)

:coyote: