24 "Day 3: 6:00 am - 7:00 am" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

Every Second Counts


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24: Season Three
Day 3: 6:00 am - 7:00 am

PRESIDENT PALMER IS ORDERED TO HAVE KEY PLAYER AT CTU KILLED; MICHELLE OFFERS PEOPLE INFECTED AT HOTEL A PEACEFUL ENDING ON “24,” APRIL 18 ON FOX

President Palmer tells Jack that a top CTU agent is to be killed. Meanwhile, at the hotel, Michelle offers a peaceful ending to those infected with the virus in the episode “Day 3: 6:00 AM–7:00 AM” Sunday, April 18 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (TWF-318) (TV-14; V)

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Tonight we have the episode that would have aired last Tuesday (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=108325) had it not been for the Presidential press conference. We're up a bit early so you don't forget, but if you do, ClockStomper got a FOX e-mail (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1227899#post1227899) which said the following...


Thursday, April 15, 2004

ENCORE AIRINGS OF THIS WEEK’S “24”
WILL BE PRESENTED APRIL 19 AND APRIL 20 ON FX

With President Bush’s televised press conference on Tuesday pushing the original episode of 24 to Sunday, April 18 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX, encore broadcasts of this episode will now air on FX – Monday, April 19 (11:00 PM–Midnight ET/PT) and Tuesday, April 20 (6:00-7:00 PM ET/PT).

In the episode “Day 3: 6:00 AM–7:00 AM,” President Palmer (Dennis Haysbert) tells Jack (Kiefer Sutherland) that Saunders (Paul Blackthorne) has demanded the killing of one of CTU’s top agents. Meanwhile, Michelle (Reiko Aylesworth), knowing that the infected people at the hotel have no chance for survival, offers them a peaceful ending.

24 is a production of Real Time Productions and Imagine Television in association with 20th Century Fox Television. Joel Surnow, Robert Cochran, Brian Grazer and Howard Gordon are the executive producers

So if you space out tonight you have a couple of other shots to see it. The clock is ticking!

[Temple Fugate]

The Simpsons' credits had the countdown for the episode (had to shield myself from the part of the screen playing the commercial), but after the countdown hit 00:00:00, they aired three commercials! Tsk tsk, FOX...

Very good scene with Ryan about to bolt. You could even feel the tension from the security guard. (nitpick: Jack showed up 20 seconds after we see him standing in the middle of the main room. Possible? Yes. Probable? Not at all.)

The real-time tactial assault was handled beautifully. I almost suffocated from holding my breath. Naturally finding Saunders wouldn't be that simple, but with the security camera uplink to his office, we're easily fooled into believing he's there. (Although in retrospect, his room looks much different from that building's interior.) And we get Chase in action! W00t!

The writers didn't just give us a rehash of the "George Mason is going to die" plotline. Here we see a guy who pushes people around for five years on his knees and crying because he's really a frightened person putting up a defense. And of course, the silent clock accented with a train whistle to wish his soul fast passage to the afterlife.

Random observations:
I was less concerned about Chloe needing 90 minutes for a passcode decryption than I was about that city on fire from the TV in the background.

JACK COMPLIMENTED CHLOE! It's about damn time. I've been saying since hour two the only reason she's a b!tch is cuz nobody says anything nice to her.

MICHELLE, BLEED ALREADY!

Twenty-Four 3x18 "Day 3: 6:00am-7:00am" ****

Sun's up.

[Eidan]

Wow.

I was really expecting Jack to find a way to save Chappelle, but I guess there was none. I know I said I'd be glad when Chappelle died, but damn, he didn't deserve to die. Saunders has to go.

BTW, from my recollection, this was only the second time the clock was muted. First time was when Mason left CTU for the last time.

[RD!]

Bravo 24! You have created a new way to trick us, by doing exactly what you've told us you will do! I still thought Ryan would live seconds after I heard the shot. It just seemed so odd and not right... I don't really know what else to talk about this episode other than that scene which was... wow... I'm shocked.




BTW, from my recollection, this was only the second time the clock was muted. First time was when Mason left CTU for the last time.

According to Joe, the 4th. I'm sure he'll gladly flex his nerdiness and tell you each.

[The Drizzle]

BTW, from my recollection, this was only the second time the clock was muted. First time was when Mason left CTU for the last time.
Also happened in the final episode of season 2.

...and Strawberry Jam basically said what I was going to say.

[The Landstander]

BTW, from my recollection, this was only the second time the clock was muted. First time was when Mason left CTU for the last time.Actually, it's the fourth (spoilers galore):

1. Teri dies (season one).
2. Mason leaves CTU for the last time (season two).
3. Palmer is attacked (season two). (Though technically it went out with Palmer breathing, as opposed to no sound at all).
4. Chappelle dies (season three).

Anyways, fine episode. They handled Chappelle's death greatly. Instead of a "taking it as a fact and going out as a hero" angle they did with Mason, they went with a "scared man" angle. Not that you could really blame Chappelle. The scene with Baker and Chase (TWO MAN ASSAULT TEAM) in the building was also very well done...I had a feeling they wouldn't find Saunders, but for a second...

This "Bill" guy could become interesting, too...though this week the hotel stuff wasn't as interesting as it has been. Good scene with the security guard from the past few episodes being a victim.

The Chappelle storyline makes this a **** episode.

Edit:

According to Joe, the 4th. I'm sure he'll gladly flex his nerdiness and tell you each....I would be offended if I wasn't writing this reply as you posted that.

[Temple Fugate]

I was really expecting Jack to find a way to save Chappelle, but I guess there was none. I know I said I'd be glad when Chappelle died, but damn, he didn't deserve to die. Saunders has to go.

BTW, from my recollection, this was only the second time the clock was muted. First time was when Mason left CTU for the last time.I expected Jack to pull an Ace out of his sleeve, too. I guess even the greatest men sometimes have only one option to take.

I'll put the silent clocks in a spoiler box, in case you haven't seen all of Days 1 or 2.

1: Final seconds of Day 1, when Jack discovers Teri's body.
2: In the middle of "Day 2: 9:00pm-10:00pm," the one you mentioned.
3: Final seconds of Day 2, when the President is hit by Mandy's hand-acid thing. Some people have debated this as a true "silent" clock because his heartbeat goes along with the seconds.

4: Tonight's episode

[EDIT: Dang, my l337 7yp1ng 5k1llz weren't fast enough to beat Landstander.]

[Eidan]

Hahaha, thanks to ALL of you for correcting my error. Haha.

I own Season 1 and 2 on DVD, but haven't seen the end of season 1 for a long time, so I didn't remember Teri's silent tick. And I always considered Palmer's heartbeat as a replacement tick, so I didn't count it.

[randomguy]

BTW, from my recollection, this was only the second time the clock was muted. First time was when Mason left CTU for the last timeIt was muted after Terri died in the final seconds of Season 1.

Anyhow... it's amazing that this season has had two huge casualties (Nina & Chappelle), with a possible third in the can (Michelle). I'm beginning to wonder if it's falling back on the "shocking death" trick too often.

Still, a pretty powerful episode, accentuated by the knowledge that every second brought us a little closer to Chappelle's deadline. Everybody else tends to hate Chappelle, but I've always kinda liked him, and I'll definitely miss him now, particularly since he's been a bit more sympathetic this season. The ending wasn't as powerful as it could have been, though, and Jack really should have shown a lot more emotion.

I'm left wondering why Saunders wanted Chappelle killed. It couldn't have been the money trail, because that ended up leading into a dead end. So why did Chappelle have to die? Is there a connection we don't yet know about?

Interesting development with the one guy who left the hotel. I wonder what's going to happen with that...

Michelle is symptom-free thus far, which makes me wonder if she's going to end up dying or not. Maybe they're saving her demise for the end of the season for maximum impact?

EDIT: Sorry, typed this up before everyone corrected Eidan. Disregard that part.

[Carolina Red]

The only ones I recall are Teri's death, George leaving CTU after his goodbyes, Palmer being infected and this one. But I must admit that it took a while for them to actually get it done. Then again, at least they cut away as Jack shot him or else the censors would be all over it of course.

I am surprised that Palmer was actually willing to allow this to happen; I know how his is with wanting to protect the public, but it is different how he's actually willing to sacrifice someone. He's not the kind I would figure would do it.

Gee, wouldn't the terrorists have thought that the virus would go beyond the States earlier? Or maybe they figured it would die out in the Northwest Territories? :rolleyes:

Will Tuesday night's show be new?

[Spider-Man]

I can't believe they killed Ryan Chapelle. I can't believe the President ok-ed this. He has been making a lot of questionable choices this season. Why do I have the gut feeling Palmer won't be in office next season? A great episode, and I can not wait until Tuesday.

How come Michelle hasn't shown signs of infection yet? I thought she was infected?

[ClockStomper]

How come Michelle hasn't shown signs of infection yet? I thought she was infected?We haven't heard the results yet of her nasal swab. My personal theory is she's peggers, and progesterone happens to be the virus cure.



The only ones I recall are Teri's death, George leaving CTU after his goodbyes, Palmer being infected and this one. But I must admit that it took a while for them to actually get it done. Then again, at least they cut away as Jack shot him or else the censors would be all over it of course.
They showed a graphic suicide early last season, so I assume FOX is feeling the censorship wave post nipplegate.

[David Lucas]

They showed a graphic suicide early last season, so I assume FOX is feeling the censorship wave post nipplegate.
Maybe it's cause I just got in from work at 6 a.m., but I had to read that sentence 4 times to understand what it meant. Just thought you'd all like to know that. It's sad that even though it started off as a joke, "nipplegate" will in some way, be a moment in U.S. History.

That saddens me.

Then episodes like this show up, and the sadness dissipates. This episode may very well be one of "24"s best episodes ever. I hate Ryan, I thought he was a ****** since season 1, I was cheering when Jack drugged and hid him, but god damn did I feel bad for this guy.

24 is without a doubt the coldest show ever made. As depressing as it can be sometimes, it's even more depressing because life is like this. It's harsh and unforgiving, and I think that's what drives so many people to watch it.

Those last few scenes with Jack an Ryan almost had me in tears, and I hate the lil bastard. Some people would say that he was a lil ***** because he was crying.

It isn't like he's sacrificing himself on his own to do what's right. He's a top ranking government official, who's dedicated his life to his work, which we see when he tells Jack he has noone that he would even call to say "goodbye"

Do you know how that must feel, to not have anyone to say goodbye to?

He's been that dedicated to his job, and because of it, the President of the United States has ordered his friend (in this season), confidant, and more or less Jack's other side, to kill him. FOR NO REASON. Hell, I'd cry my eyes out too. That was the most brutal moment I've seen on "24"

But to lighten the load, Chase almost stole the damn show with the Metal Gear moves. That boy is raw. He was just takin em out left and right, although having that much security for a switcher is pretty dumb. All you're doing is delaying CTU by about 5 minutes, that's not worth 7-8 henchmen.

Saunders better have a damn good reason for that otherwise that was just the writers ******* with us because they can do that. They're the "24" people.

Next week: This season is tainted as Kim re-enters the fray. My fellow "24" fans, could this be the day we've all waited for?

The day we've longed for ever since Kim got her ass kidnapped, got her friend's arm broken and drugged and then killed in her hostpital room, made the Andre the Giant lookin' guy from Season 1 horny so he had to screw Teri instead of her, went BACK to her kidnappers house and got involved in a drug bust, get kidnapped again on the way home, cut off Jack from her life because Teri died, did maybe 400 of the stupidest crap ever concieved by man escaping the crazy Dad with the lil girl, was nearly attacked by cougars after getting her leg caught in a bear trap, went into a bomb chamber with a guy who lives in the middle of the woods, took a gun into a 7-11 where all hell broke loose, and spent the last 9-10 hours watching a baby at CTU.

Let her die already.

Wow, sorry this was so long, this episode had my heart thumping till the beautiful, beautiful choice of making this one of the special, "no beeping" ends.

See 'ya Chappelle.

[Fone Bone]

Maybe it's cause I just got in from work at 6 a.m., but I had to read that sentence 4 times to understand what it meant. Just thought you'd all like to know that. It's sad that even though it started off as a joke, "nipplegate" will in some way, be a moment in U.S. History.

That saddens me.

Then episodes like this show up, and the sadness dissipates. This episode may very well be one of "24"s best episodes ever. I hate Ryan, I thought he was a ****** since season 1, I was cheering when Jack drugged and hid him, but god damn did I feel bad for this guy.

24 is without a doubt the coldest show ever made. As depressing as it can be sometimes, it's even more depressing because life is like this. It's harsh and unforgiving, and I think that's what drives so many people to watch it.

Those last few scenes with Jack an Ryan almost had me in tears, and I hate the lil bastard. Some people would say that he was a lil ***** because he was crying.

It isn't like he's sacrificing himself on his own to do what's right. He's a top ranking government official, who's dedicated his life to his work, which we see when he tells Jack he has noone that he would even call to say "goodbye"

Do you know how that must feel, to not have anyone to say goodbye to?

He's been that dedicated to his job, and because of it, the President of the United States has ordered his friend (in this season), confidant, and more or less Jack's other side, to kill him. FOR NO REASON. Hell, I'd cry my eyes out too. That was the most brutal moment I've seen on "24"

But to lighten the load, Chase almost stole the damn show with the Metal Gear moves. That boy is raw. He was just takin em out left and right, although having that much security for a switcher is pretty dumb. All you're doing is delaying CTU by about 5 minutes, that's not worth 7-8 henchmen.

Saunders better have a damn good reason for that otherwise that was just the writers ******* with us because they can do that. They're the "24" people.

Next week: This season is tainted as Kim re-enters the fray. My fellow "24" fans, could this be the day we've all waited for?

The day we've longed for ever since Kim got her ass kidnapped, got her friend's arm broken and drugged and then killed in her hostpital room, made the Andre the Giant lookin' guy from Season 1 horny so he had to screw Teri instead of her, went BACK to her kidnappers house and got involved in a drug bust, get kidnapped again on the way home, cut off Jack from her life because Teri died, did maybe 400 of the stupidest crap ever concieved by man escaping the crazy Dad with the lil girl, was nearly attacked by cougars after getting her leg caught in a bear trap, went into a bomb chamber with a guy who lives in the middle of the woods, took a gun into a 7-11 where all hell broke loose, and spent the last 9-10 hours watching a baby at CTU.

Let her die already.

Wow, sorry this was so long, this episode had my heart thumping till the beautiful, beautiful choice of making this one of the special, "no beeping" ends.

See 'ya Chappelle.

Yeah, 24 is cold. I prefer Alias because this stuff actually could happen. There's something wrong when I believe in a show with this many plot holes. Man, watching 24 is very unpleasant but I ain't gonna quit now.

I want Kim dead too. She has been the worst thing about this show since it started. Giving her a laughable "makeover" didn't help at all. For the audience's sanity's sake, she needs to go.

By the way, I love your avatar. Micheal Ceasar rocks!

About this episode, it was a nailbiter. They actually fooled me into thinking Chappelle might not die. If I was him I'd be crying too. No-one to call, his only "friends" at work. Man, everyone at CTU hated him! They were his closest friends? I felt so bad for him. The non-ticking clock was completley appropriate.

A very good episode. ****.

[robert]

Can you only imagine what Saunders could possibly have happen next? He already made them kill Chappelle, and in the last scene of the previous episode he said to Palmer that the order is "a prelude to the main event", or something along those lines. This was only Saunders second order and there are 6 episodes left, he's got to have more and more extreme demands to make as things go on. If all this could happen from his mere second demand, could you even begin to speculate what kind of terrible demands he could make Palmer approve of next? What kind of horrific "main event" could he come up with to top it all off that would be a better alternative than the virus's release- though it looks like an outbreak is gonna happen even without Saunders involvement now.
And eventually with his revealed history to Jack, he's gotta order something that involves the worst happening to him. And I wouldn't count out Sherry being in the middle of whatever happens- remember last year when they seemed to have gotten rid of her in the middle of the season, then they brought her back and revealed that she was at the center of the war conspiracy? They couldn't possibly have her do something like that again this season, but you know that they wouldn't just put her aside after she succeeded in getting Palmer to cover up for her and be done with it, she has to figure in to the end of this somehow.
And has anyone noticed that this season may be ending with a higher quality than the last two? In Season One, things started with a bang but after the first half of the season things slowed down and got a little less gripping until the famous finale. In Season Two, it got off to a bang again but after the bomb went off, the season never got to those heights again, and got more and more outlandish and anticlimatic. Now in Season 3, things have started off very slowly, but now things have picked up more and more in the last half of the year to end with a bang, whereas it was the other way around the last two years. But perhaps with Kim starring tomorrow night, maybe I'm speaking too soon....

[Lord Dalek]

Wow, Chapelle is dead. I'm a bit troubled by that. Admittedly I always hated his guts (then again, I thought that about George too), so I'm kinda in shock about what to say. Thank god Tony isn't dead yet.

[Dark Spider]

All I can say about this episode is.....nobody's safe on this show! Hell, Jack isn't safe on this show.....he died for a few seconds when his heart stopped from all that torture he endured last season. But man was this episode great! I can't believe they killed Ryan Chappelle! And his death was so greatly handled too. I was almost in tears, because he WAS in tears. To see a person who was once the absolute power of CTU reduced in tears was crazy.

So, who's going to replace Ryan Chappelle now? Are they going to promote Tony to be Regional Director of CTU and have somebody take his spot?

Oh and about Tony...

A trend seems to be happening in which people in power seem to be eventually dying at CTU (George Mason, Ryan Chappelle, and to a lesser extent Nina Myers). Another trend that's been going on in CTU is minorities dying at CTU (Gael, Jaime, and various minority agents). What I'm getting at is Tony is both a minority and in power! He's already had his ankle spranged and has been shot in the neck.....will he also die?

[Temple Fugate]

Tony can't die. I won't let that happen. When (and I mean WHEN) Jack gets killed off, Tony is first in line to spearhead the series.

Watched the episode again, and just realized this is the first time in the entire series that we don't get an ending split-screen. Jack has a cell-phone split-screen with CTU, but after that it's 3 minutes of the death scene in full-frame. Kudos to the editors for ditching tradition just this once in order to heighten the impact of Chapelle's death.

[EDIT: Actually, Fone Bone, they did do it for the season finales. If I may excersize even more of my 24 geekiness... (Day 1 spoilers!)

When Jack discovers Teri's body, the screen shrinks and the other half of the split-screen shows clips from the series premiere. I love this because it makes the ending so powerful by realizing less than 24 hours ago they were a family just getting back together, and now it's all shot to hell.
And in the last minutes of Day 2, the screen splits after the "It's done" call is made.

Robert: If my Day 2 DVDs weren't on loan to somebody I'd check on that. You might be right.]

[Fone Bone]

Tony can't die. I won't let that happen. When (and I mean WHEN) Jack gets killed off, Tony is first in line to spearhead the series.

Watched the episode again, and just realized this is the first time in the entire series that we don't get an ending split-screen. Jack has a cell-phone split-screen with CTU, but after that it's 3 minutes of the death scene in full-frame. Kudos to the editors for ditching tradition just this once in order to heighten the impact of Chapelle's death.
Shoot, that's true. They mighta done it for the season finales but for an episode in the middle of the season that's unprecented. I'm upping my grade to ****1/2 even if the poll can't recognize it.

[Kathy Kane]

Man, this was a very intense episode of 24. The whole thing with Chappelle:eek:

I wonder how Jack will feel next episode, I mean this has got be the toughest thing he's done all day.

[robert]

Watched the episode again, and just realized this is the first time in the entire series that we don't get an ending split-screen. Jack has a cell-phone split-screen with CTU, but after that it's 3 minutes of the death scene in full-frame. Kudos to the editors for ditching tradition just this once in order to heighten the impact of Chapelle's death.
I'm not sure if there was an ending split screen when Mason died. There were some splits when Jack was landing on the ground after he jumped out of the plane, but I don't remember them having the traditional four split screen finale in the last few minutes in that one.

[ClockStomper]

I'm not sure if there was an ending split screen when Mason died. There were some splits when Jack was landing on the ground after he jumped out of the plane, but I don't remember them having the traditional four split screen finale in the last few minutes in that one.
There was a split scene of everyone in reaction to the explosion.

[stwasm]

The only thing I can say about this past episode of 24 is that it was absolutely "chilling!" I used to cringe and say hateful stuff to my television set whenever Chappelle appeared. But, I had tears in my eyes, starting when he got off the helicopter and said, "My legs are weak," all the way to his crying. And, yes, while it's been covered by earlier posters, his death, the train whistle and the silent clock was just outstanding drama and very eerie! How can this show even be considered for cancellation and NOT get some type of Emmy nomination. Wow!

And how sad was it when they had the "suicide" pills and that elderly couple took the first ones? This show has the ability to bring out a whole range of emotions out of me.

You know, I did wonder why it was Michelle hadn't shown any symptoms and I thought it was a major plot hole. But, then Clock Stomper brought up an excellent point. She could be pregnant, which is protecting her from it. If true, what a move! And it is medically valid.

Can Chloe be any more annoying?!? I just want to slap her! (not that I condone violence against women, of course!).

Just a GREAT episode and I'm looking forward to tonight's. Two episodes of 24 in three days! I don't know if my heart can take it!

[Silent Bob]

This season is really starting to surpass the second season in terms of quality. The death of Chapelle was incredibly powerful and moving. While not on par with George Mason's death last year, this one was equally involving. I can't wait for tonight's episode to see the fallout on this.

Also, given Jack's heroin habit, shouldn't he be going into withdrawl soon?

[Griever]

Also, given Jack's heroin habit, shouldn't he be going into withdrawl soon?
Ramon gave him some pills that stopped the withdrawal symptoms.

[ClockStomper]

Ramon gave him some pills that stopped the withdrawal symptoms.
They shouldn't last that long though...I want to see Jack (attempt to) shoot up after the stress of Undercover Kim and killing Chapelle.