The Joker's look in JLA?

[Batmex]

I wonder, will the Joker look like in NBAS(the LAME eyeless, red lipsless) version, or the glorious ROTJ(flashback) version?:cool:

[Stupendous Man]

I dont think the Joker is going to appear in the first season of the
new JL series.

Hes not listed in the official press release of JL villians & character descriptions.

Lex is on there, described as driven mad by kryptonite poisening.

Darksied , Amazo, Gorrila Grodd also mentioned.

However, sadly, Joker does not make the grade.

I guess theres only room for one non-superpowered villan
on a powerhouse show like JL and Lex made the draft.


I was sorry to see that Sinestro missing too.

[Jeff Harris]

Originally posted by The Spirit
I dont think the Joker is going to appear in the first season of the
new JL series.

He was on the list.

I should know.

I posted the darned thing!

[Toddman]

Man, there is just WAY too much disinformation on the Injustice Gang/Secret Society thing. First the The Joker is not listed (in the *************** website), then he is. First Sinestro is listed, now he's not?! I just checked the list and he is there now. My head hurts.

By the way, to answer your question, Batmex, The Joker design shown by Bruce Timm at the San Diego Comic-con for JL looks exactly like Mister J in ROTJ.

Toddman

[James Harvey]

The Joker will look exactly like the flashback version in BB: ROTJ. Timm said that the new joker design will be the final version. He was unpleased with the original and with the TNBA versions he drew, but is finally happy with the third version. Here are some picutres so you can get an idea of the current and final Joker look:

http://www.toonzone.net/worldsfinest/bbeyond/rotj16.jpg

And there are more here:


http://www.geocities.com/returnofthejoker2001/pics.htm

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Toddman
Man, there is just WAY too much disinformation on the Injustice Gang/Secret Society thing. First the The Joker is not listed (in the *************** website), then he is. First Sinestro is listed, now he's not?! I just checked the list and he is there now. My head hurts.

By the way, to answer your question, Batmex, The Joker design shown by Bruce Timm at the San Diego Comic-con for JL looks exactly like Mister J in ROTJ.

Toddman

First off, Comics Continuum is a cruddy site. Granted the guy does get the occasional good story, but he's a story theif and is one of the rudest, cruelest, smuggest journalists I've ever seen. 2nd - look at the list we have up on the newsboard - put up way before the evil CC put up his list. Ours it the accurate list. I'd recommend scoping it out.

[Toddman]

Cool and thanks, DG.

Toddman

[Jeff Harris]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson


First off, Comics Continuum is a cruddy site. Granted the guy does get the occasional good story, but he's a story thief and is one of the rudest, cruelest, smuggest journalists I've ever seen.

Aw, tell us how you really feel :D

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by nemalki


Aw, tell us how you really feel :D

I'd love to but this is a PG Board. It would be...difficult. :)

But essentially yhe guy's a scumbag and I'm not the only person who thinks so. Other high profile comic/animation news site think even less of him then I do!

Anyways...back on topic...:)

I'm glad Timm will be using this version. The TNBA version, while OK, I don't think can work anymore. I watched WF this weekend and there were scenes where he seemed too streamlined. This new look, a combinaiton of the two, works best.

[Toddman]

Yo, Dick Grayson!

There's a guy on the DC Comics message board asking where he can find the best message boards for JLAnimated (and the JL discussions over there are really lacking). He's on the JLA board and his post/question is listed under it's own thread. Lead him to the good side of the Force...

Toddman

[James Harvey]

I just put up a reply! Hopefully he'll join on us on the good side...

[DerekPowers]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD....YOU'VE BEEN WARNED......

So DG, since you said the jl heros/villians report on the news page is accurate, whats the official deal w/ the secret society? is Ivy really in it, and how come the joker isnt listed as a member of the ss? also, how come this conflicts w/ what timm said at comic con? ie, darkseid starting the ss, timm said lex started it. and he never mentioned ivy or brainiac. do you know which info is right, or is it sort of up in the air right now? thanks. peace.

[James Harvey]

I'm betting things have changed since the comicon and they decided to revamp the line-up original. What alkso gets me is the lack of Joker in the SS. I know that Hammill has already done voice recordings for him, so I'm a bit confused here as well. I'll ask around and see what I can come up with.

[Joker85]

YAY! ROTJ flashback Joker is the best by far!(as I have mentioned before) I am glad they decided not to redesign him for JL, he's been through enough changes!! Well, you know what they say, "Third time's a charm" Looks like they were right in this case!:)

[Bud 'n Lou]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS !



As someone else already pointed out somewhere on this board, I think the Injustice Gang and the Secret Society are two different teams. Joker's in the Injustice Gang, formed by Luthor, which will appear first, I'm betting. Then, later in the season, a new team will form to pick up where the first team left off: The Secret Society, formed by Darkseid. Joker won't be a member of the Secret Society because either (A) He got on eveyone's nerves, or possibly caused their defeat, so they didn't want him back, (B) it was decided that, since he has no special powers, he wouldn't be very useful for Darkseid's purposes, or (C) he "died" at the end of the Injustice Gang episode, which tends to happen to Joker quite a bit. Other Villains who were replaced for the second group probably suffered similar fates.
Again....two different teams...hence the different names for the teams. :0)
I think Ivy's the obvious replacement for Joker. Not many of Batman's rogues have the powers to take on a whole team of heroes. It wouldn't make sense for Freeze to join. His motivation isn't world domination. Ra's isn't the type to be hired as someone's henchman. Plus, he was in bad shape by the end of TNBA. That just leaves Ivy. I was hoping she'd appear. I'd have preferred she was to villain in the Batman focused episode, but this is cool too. :0)

[The Mad Hatter]

Bud n' Lou's description sounds logical to me... I'd be surprised if the creators wrote Joker out entirely, after showing him at the comicon.

Then again, they've surprised us before....

[James Harvey]

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I agree- that does sound like the most logical choice. It could lead into a gigantic season finale. Luthor goes nuts and loses the team. Then Darkseid comes and renames and reorganizes it. Sounds totally logical.

[Karkull]

I'd like to know is why Lex Luthor wanted Joker to join the Injustice Gang in the first place, especially since he caused Luthor so much grief in World's Finest. You don't think that he acquired the Joker's membership so he could kill him later (after they defeated the Justice League). This could be one of the factors that leads to the Gang's fallout and Darkseid's acqusition.

"Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer..."

Anyway, I like the "Secret Society" name a lot better. It has this kind of creepy, conspiracy theory vibe to it...kind of like an Illuminatia society.

[Maxie Zeus]

You know, I have to say that I don't have a clue as to what everyone is talking about here. So none of it comes under the heading of "spoiler."

Not that anyone cared about what I knew and when I knew it. :D

[kid_flash]

SPOILERS!

I really like Bud 'n Lou's theory on the Injustice Gang and the Secret Society. This way, the show would link together more. With Batman (BTAS a bit, but especially TNBA), you could pretty much watch any episode without having to know what happened before (this wasn't AS present in Superman, with most villains returning based on past episodes). So, yeah, I think that'd be cool.

As for why Luthor let Joker in, I'm betting on either the "enimies closer" thing, or Luthor's just gone so insane from the Kryptonite, that he just let Joker in.

[redneckgoliath]

Hey could somebody post pictures of the joker form each series? Because for the life of me I can't remember what each one looked like.

[Karkull]

Originally posted by kid_flash
As for why Luthor let Joker in, I'm betting on either the "enimies closer" thing, or Luthor's just gone so insane from the Kryptonite, that he just let Joker in.

I don't think that Lex Luthor really went "insane" because of kryptonite poisoning. Personally, I'm betting that Luthor got cancer from the low-level radiation emitted from the substance (just like in the comics) and, since he's going to die soon, he decides to turn his back on LexCorp and respectability. His only goal now is to take Superman down with him (along with his allies and the Joker for good measure).

His new armor probably slows down the cancer's progress, ala Tony Stark's Iron Man armor (which kept his injured heart beating after his heart attack).

[James Harvey]

His new armor could be keeping him safe from the radiation. That is a pretty good point, and a sorta cool twist, also. This seems to have that whole Dr. Doom-ish thing going for him. Manical genius in a suit of armor can work, but if he's too over the top...well...I'm sure Clancy Brown will keep it real.

[James Harvey]

Here we go. The images may be a tad big so they may take abit to load.

Joker from Batman: The Animated Series

http://www.toonzone.net/worldsfinest/worldsfinestpage/joker_01.jpg http://www.toonzone.net/worldsfinest/worldsfinestpage/joker4.gif

Joker from Batman: The New Adventures
http://www.toonzone.net/worldsfinest/worldsfinestpage/joker1.gif

Joker from Return of the Joker/Justice League
(look & design remains the exact same)
http://www.toonzone.net/worldsfinest/bbeyond/rotj15.jpg
http://www.toonzone.net/worldsfinest/bbeyond/rotj16.jpg

That help?

[Salvor]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson


First off, Comics Continuum is a cruddy site. Granted the guy does get the occasional good story, but he's a story theif and is one of the rudest, cruelest, smuggest journalists I've ever seen. 2nd - look at the list we have up on the newsboard - put up way before the evil CC put up his list. Ours it the accurate list. I'd recommend scoping it out.

Ahh I don't mean to argue here but the WF news page does use many stories of the CC... sure "using" cannot be compared with "stealing" and you're most likely right about the whole scumbag thing but anyway, I just feel like it's a bit unfair to trash it the way you do.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Salvor


Ahh I don't mean to argue here but the WF news page does use many stories of the CC... sure "using" cannot be compared with "stealing" and you're most likely right about the whole scumbag thing but anyway, I just feel like it's a bit unfair to trash it the way you do.

When CC gets a good story, we will put it up on our site. We will also give them credit, something CC has apparently never heard of before. And when we "use" CC's stories, we rewrite them so they are not a direct copy. We'll add new info or correct him. We don't steal. I trash the site casue I have good reason. CC has stolen at least 4 stories from my site without credit, mention or anything. If the same thing happened to you, I'm sure you'd feel the same way. Plus the things I've heard about him...*shivers*

[Salvor]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson


When CC gets a good story, we will put it up on our site. We will also give them credit, something CC has apparently never heard of before. And when we "use" CC's stories, we rewrite them so they are not a direct copy. We'll add new info or correct him. We don't steal. I trash the site casue I have good reason. CC has stolen at least 4 stories from my site without credit, mention or anything. If the same thing happened to you, I'm sure you'd feel the same way. Plus the things I've heard about him...*shivers*
hey of course i'm not questioning your integrity or the quality of your work :)
I thought it still deserved some more credit... but if I knew those "things", maybe I would indeed change my mind! I do hate it when I find my own stuff used without permission by another webmaster.

[James Harvey]

Anyways, we're veering off topic discussion so let's get back on track.

The current Joker design I think is the strongest becuase it combined the strenght of the BTAS and TNBA design into one...well..superJoker design. The current is the best, and I hope it remains as such.

[Joe Tully]

Just out of curiosity DG what sites do you use for comic news? I don't read comic news often but used to visit CC occasionally, but if the guy's a jerk I'll try to avoid using it.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
Just out of curiosity DG what sites do you use for comic news? I don't read comic news often but used to visit CC occasionally, but if the guy's a jerk I'll try to avoid using it.

A lot of the news I get first hand, but if not then I cite it in the news stories. But if you want a comprehensive list of the vast majority of the sites I visit, go tot he links page of this site:

http://wf.toonzone.net/worldsfinestpage/linkpage.htm

That should help!

[redneckgoliath]

DG, thanks for the pictures, and I agree the latest Joker design looks better. Also did anyone else notice how much the TNA Riddler sucked compared to TAS Riddler?

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by redneckgoliath
DG, thanks for the pictures, and I agree the latest Joker design looks better. Also did anyone else notice how much the TNA Riddler sucked compared to TAS Riddler?

The Riddler got horribly skinny! They gave him a design similair to what Jim Carrey had breifly in the movie. His old design was just so superior.

[redneckgoliath]

agreed

[James Harvey]

It befuddles th emind why they'd reduce his look to just a skinny oaf. Then again, he was barely in any episodes, which I thought was totally uncool.

[redneckgoliath]

you know this reminds me of something really cool I saw one at www.fanzing.com . Riddler VS Elongated Man, it was really cool, because they were so similar and it made for an interesting contest. Maybe this could be the way they introduce ol dibney on JL. Unlikely since they are using Plastic Man, but it would still be cool.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
It befuddles th emind why they'd reduce his look to just a skinny oaf. Then again, he was barely in any episodes, which I thought was totally uncool.

Dini did admit that Riddler was always really hard to write for. I can believe it.

[The Mad Hatter]

Oh yeah... he's a brilliant character, but coming up with cryptic crimes that don't reduce him to a silly stereotype must have been taxing.

[redneckgoliath]

what's wrong with silly?

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson


A lot of the news I get first hand, but if not then I cite it in the news stories. But if you want a comprehensive list of the vast majority of the sites I visit, go tot he links page of this site:

http://wf.toonzone.net/worldsfinestpage/linkpage.htm

That should help!

Thanks, there's a lot of 'em! I've got it bookmarked so I can go back and look through them all later.

Back on topic...I'm not sure whether I'll like this design or the old BTAS design more, I'll it a while before I finally decide. For the Riddler, yeah I can kind of understand the problem there with the writing...I guess they could've tried to adapt some of the better comic stories but they probably didn't want to do that too much. There was a great Riddler story in TEC a little after issue 700 but that had Cluemaster in it too, so they woulda had to tinker with the story quite a bit.

[doctorcrime]

i loved the btas riddler. the newe design was cool, too though. it was very clockwork orange mixed with the insanity of frank gorshwin's riddler in the 60's show.

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
For the Riddler, yeah I can kind of understand the problem there with the writing...I guess they could've tried to adapt some of the better comic stories but they probably didn't want to do that too much.

True, it can be hard to write Riddler stories, but it isn't impossible. They had some great Riddler stories in the Batman Adventures and Batman: Gotham Adventures comic books.

[James Harvey]

Issue #11 (I think) with Riddler was a real good. But the second follow-up issue, #28, was just...poor. I thought it wasn't well done in the slightest.

[Maxie Zeus]

There was a really good Riddler story collected in "Greatest Batman Adventures" (I think that's where I saw it). It had something to do with Riddler trying to forgo his usual "riddling" routine, but getting a split personality and tipping off Batman without knowing what he was doing.

They such a good job adapting stories like "The Laughing Fish," I wonder why they didn't adapt that one.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus
There was a really good Riddler story collected in "Greatest Batman Adventures" (I think that's where I saw it). It had something to do with Riddler trying to forgo his usual "riddling" routine, but getting a split personality and tipping off Batman without knowing what he was doing.

They such a good job adapting stories like "The Laughing Fish," I wonder why they didn't adapt that one.

Batman Adventures #10 was a great Riddler story, and the only Riddler story during the whole run of that animated Batman book, I believe. Mike Parobeck did a great job on the Riddler he totally made the character his own but the Riddler looked just like he was supposed to...excellent story...