Tales of Symphonia to be ported to PS2 in Japan

[So_Sorry]

Namco announced they will release a PS2 port of the popular GameCube RPG Tales of Symphonia in Japan this year, the PS2 version will have new elements not found in the original version, the game is currently 80% completed.
In that case, they might as well cancel the US GC release and give us the PS2 port.

[Juu-kuchi]

I'd still get the GCN version.

[MattThomasM2B]

I'd still get neither.

[Opaque]

Here is a pretty scan for you to look at...
http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1081474746.jpg

[Bird Boy]

Two things wrong with this thread:

1) No cursing in titles
2) Don't post giant scans in a thread that stretches everyones screen. Just link to it.

Discussion can continue.

-BB

[NachoHat]

Assuming that I do buy it, I'll just buy the one that comes out first.


There's no way I'm gonna lose any sleep from missing an extra sidequest or two.

[So_Sorry]

Crap is just as vulgar as **** but anyways it was automatically censored so what is your point? Poo...now that's a word no one can be offended by.

I am sorry but I don't feel like paying $50 just for the pleasure of playing on the GC when there is a ps2 port with more.

[James]

Crap is just as vulgar as **** but anyways it was automatically censored so what is your point? Poo...now that's a word no one can be offended by.

I am sorry but I don't feel like paying $50 just for the pleasure of playing on the GC when there is a ps2 port with more.

If you have an issue speak to a mod PRIVATELY - don't have a cry like this. The censor isn't there to tell you what can be used, it's there to prevent serious breaches of profanity. This is a family board - please use your head when deciding on a title. If unsure, you can read the Terms Of Service at anytime.

Basically, your title is inappropriate and your reaction here is also. Keep on topic and any problems deal OFF board. I hope that's clear to anyone who is similarly confused regarding the matter of language at TZ. Thank you.

EDIT: BB, I re-edited the title for sake of clarity.. I think it's a little more.. focused. :)

[Andrew T. Hingson]

This is bull crap Namco!!!

Can't the GCN have a decent in-depth EXCLUSIVE Role Playing Game already? PS2 has tons of 'em. How can a PS2 game have more content than a GCN game anyway? The GCN can do more... (duh they probably didn't use it's full potential... few companies do). You have betrayed me Namco... If you are gonna pull crap like this then you'd sure as heck better port some of your PS2 RPG's to the Gamecube and add something.

I wish PS2 would just die (I have one BTW). It gets everything and a lot of stuff GCN and Xbox don't. Yet it's the weakest system. I know they do it because most people have a PS2 but I'm still sick of it. It's gonna be the same way with PS3 no doubt... it's never gonna end.

This just ruined my late evening.

BTW the GCN version is either out now or will be out soon (in the US I mean).

[So_Sorry]

If you have an issue speak to a mod PRIVATELY
The issue with the title was addressed in this thread so the reply should be posted in this thread. I have nothing to hide and Bird Boy doesn't seem to either so there is no reason to be secretive.


The censor isn't there to tell you what can be used, it's there to prevent serious breaches of profanity.
As long as the censor works there are no breaches to be seen or concerns to be had. I would expect this kind of pissy attitude if I had tried to get around the censor but I did not.


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The ToS doesn't mention profanity.



BTW the GCN version is either out now or will be out soon (in the US I mean).
It won't be out until July.

[NachoHat]

The ToS doesn't mention profanity.http://forums.toonzone.net/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_forum_rules_groc


Can't the GCN have a decent in-depth EXCLUSIVE Role Playing Game already? PS2 has tons of 'em. How can a PS2 game have more content than a GCN game anyway? The GCN can do more... (duh they probably didn't use it's full potential... few companies do). You have betrayed me Namco... If you are gonna pull crap like this then you'd sure as heck better port some of your PS2 RPG's to the Gamecube and add something.
I hear that you can still play the game on a GC even if there's a PS2 version out.

Just what I heard.

Honestly, don't worry so much about it dude. You still get a GC version of it, the GC version comes out first, and it's even possible that the PS2 version might not come out in the US.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

It'll come out in the US without a doubt.

I have a friend who has played the English version. An advanced copy (BTW I have no reason to believe he'd lie to me about this, afterall not that many people know about Tales of Symphonia.

I'm just sick of PS2 having so much control over the gaming industry. I don't hate it but I hate what it's become. Honestly I like Xbox better now and I use to hate that with a passion.

[RAINMAN]

In that case, they might as well cancel the US GC release and give us the PS2 port.


Who is us? What makes you think everyone here has a ps2? Even so, why would you nemco to not port the GC verison in the US when it was a hit in japan? Think before you post something so foolish.:rolleyes:


Anyway,necmo is during this cause they are having money problems. So they want to port a GC game to the ps2. But hyper is right. They should port some ps2 games over to the GC like tekken. Sooner or later 3rd parties will learn that supporting one system and ignoring the other 2 is the reson they can`t make enough money on saleing games.

[NachoHat]

Sooner or later 3rd parties will learn that supporting one system and ignoring the other 2 is the reson they can`t make enough money on saleing games.
I severely doubt that's why.

[So_Sorry]

It'll come out in the US without a doubt.
I never said it wouldn't.


I have a friend who has played the English version. An advanced copy
Something smells fishy about him already having a copy. Does he have connections?


I'm just sick of PS2 having so much control over the gaming industry. I don't hate it but I hate what it's become.
Nintendo had their chance to monopolize the videogame industry.


Who is us?
The American gamer, which the majority of them are PS2 owners.


Even so, why would you nemco to not port the GC verison in the US when it was a hit in japan?
Americans bought the GC mostly for cheap titles and not new releases. The "Tales of" series is not a well established franchise in America unlike in Japan. In Japan, there was a Tales of Symphonia GC bundle because they knew this game could sell consoles. That wouldn't work here. It should be sold on the console with the largest user base since it is apart of a relatively unknown series.


Anyway,necmo is during this cause they are having money problems.
They are doing this because even in Japan Sony dominates console gaming. Why did you think they release many of the "Tales of" titles on Sony consoles?


Sooner or later 3rd parties will learn that supporting one system and ignoring the other 2 is the reson they can`t make enough money on saleing games.
It isn't worth their while to sell games on consoles with few customers unless their title fits into the same niche as the console.

[James]

The issue with the title was addressed in this thread so the reply should be posted in this thread. I have nothing to hide and Bird Boy doesn't seem to either so there is no reason to be secretive.


The issue at hand from my POV is that its disruptive. Your upset over BB should be taken out of the thread. You decided, instead of accepting BirdBoy's point to make an issue of it publically.

A moderator may choose to make a point public if he/she feels it will benefit other users. I wanted to clear up why any sort of profanity was uncalled for here so no one else was as 'confused' as yourself. You don't have the same excuse. You have an issue with a comment made by a moderator - then reply privately not in public like this. You have an issue with my comment, come talk to me - the only person you make look foolish here is yourself.



As long as the censor works there are no breaches to be seen or concerns to be had. I would expect this kind of pissy attitude if I had tried to get around the censor but I did not.


Pissy attitude? I'm afraid it's your attitude which was rather pissy and that's what's caused these long posts mate. I'm making the point crystal so you don't do it again. Your comments were wrong and against board policy. Thats the way it is - take it or leave it. We're not going to talk about how wrong you have to be before we come down on you. We expect people here to be at a certain level of maturity which would imply you should know that a title should pertain some relevance to the sunject matter and not be profane. I don't think thats something too much to ask.

As pointed out rules are part of the TOS. I suggest you read them to prevent further mishap.

My position I hope is clear - you have a further issue with my comments here then direct them to me privately. Don't tell staff how to do their job or what the rules are - it just ain't cricket. :p We know the rules here, any query on the rules ask us - don't try and tell us. :)

*Ushes thread onwards...* ;)

[RedBoot]

Honestly, don't worry so much about it dude. You still get a GC version of it, the GC version comes out first, and it's even possible that the PS2 version might not come out in the US.
Yeah, this doesn't bother me at all. I really don't think it will come to the US. Namco seems leery about bringing Tales games to the US. They passed on brining the GBA version of Tales of Phantasia over because they didn't think it would sell (and RPGs on GBA sell really well). I'd bet that Nintendo prodded them to bring Symphonia over since the Cube needs more RPGs. Nintendo probably even helped with the localization. Namco may not see a reason to bring over the PS2 version if they've already released one version of the game over here.

And, even if Namco does want to bring the PS2 version over, Sony will probably deny it a release anyway, like they did when Namco tried to bring over Tales of Destiny 2 (as in the real ToD2, not Tales of Eternia).

At any rate, there's nothing wrong with this port existing. The game was developed for the GC and then ported to the PS2. Sure, it has an extra cave or two, but the graphics, sound and such will be inferior. This is better than most multiplatform games, as they are developed for the PS2 and then ported to the Cube and Xbox, ignoring the superior power of the two systems.

[TacoHunter]

I stopped caring. At first I did care. But now I don't. And just for the record, the game sold like ass in Japan. They were expecting it to break 500,000, only got a bit over 300,000. Japan is a lost cause for Nintendo.

America is where its at. Soul Caliber 2, at first, selling the best on the GCN. Skies of Arcadia sold double of what it sold in Japan (20,000 here, 10,000 in Japan. Which doesn't mean much, but still). Zelda and Mario games have broke a million here. Viewtiful Joe sold WAY better in the States.

Nintendo should really just focus on America. They're behind Xbox, but are still doing better here then in Japan.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

This sounds far fetched I'm sure but he played it at a friends house who got an advanced copy. He brought it up one day and we had never talked about the game before (nor many GCN RPG's). I have no reason to believe he's lying to me but if you don't believe me or him, that's your business.

Nintendo did dominate at one point but not entirely. The Genesis sold better than the SNES afterall. However PlayStation (and PS2) is the first console I believe that has dominated the market. With the SNES and Genesis they each had their exclusives and then they shared a ton of titles. The PS just kinda had a lot of stuff no one else did and they weren't even Sony's own games. Several of the better games got port but it was too little... too late.

PS2 has the most units out there so it makes a lot of sense to make games for it, however... it shouldn't get all the games just because of that. There's been far too many third party games that have been limited graphically and what not just so there could be a PS2 version. Just about every property license game for sure. There's nothing wrong with PS2 getting a lot of coverage but there is everything wrong when the other systems get so little and when they do get something it doesn't often stay exclusive for all that long. That's my problem with this situation.

[Artimus Gigan]

Japan is absolutly saturated with games, which isn't exactly a good thing. They have vast ammounts of titles that arn't even in the U.S. but many of those titles are within the same genre and when many things are the same, they end up killing the genre. And when the genre is killed people lose intrest...

[RAINMAN]

I never said it wouldn't.


The American gamer, which the majority of them are PS2 owners.


Americans bought the GC mostly for cheap titles and not new releases. The "Tales of" series is not a well established franchise in America unlike in Japan. In Japan, there was a Tales of Symphonia GC bundle because they knew this game could sell consoles. That wouldn't work here. It should be sold on the console with the largest user base since it is apart of a relatively unknown series.


They are doing this because even in Japan Sony dominates console gaming. Why did you think they release many of the "Tales of" titles on Sony consoles?


It isn't worth their while to sell games on consoles with few customers unless their title fits into the same niche as the console.


1 did you read my post? I don`t own a ps2. And what makes you think the people who own a ps2 don`t have a GC too?

2 Wrong. Non N fans buy the GC for first party games but buy 3rd party games for the other systems. Like you. Althougth there are some goos 3rd party games on the GC if oyu would try looking. And just because ps2 has the largest fanbase don`t mean it should be the only one whit good games. GC/xbox needs love too. If you like the series so much then buy a GC.:D

3 I know ps2 own japan too but the real reason nemco is doing this cause they are having money problems. Read the update on 3rd party topic. And who said a game has to sale 500k to be a smash hit? If nemco really wanted the game to sale 500k then they would not have put it on the GC instead.:rolleyes:

[guinaevere]

As riveting as it is to read about TZ rules and regulations, believe it or not, I'm actually going to talk about the topic as stated in the thread title. Hey, it happens every once in a while that I like talking ON-topic. :sweat:


In that case, they might as well cancel the US GC release and give us the PS2 port. Why would anyone ever want a third party developer to trash ports (especially from a console with better graphics and processor) and go for an exclusive?


Americans bought the GC mostly for cheap titles and not new releases. I realize you said "mostly" so that someone like myself can't come along and say, "speaking as an American GC owner, I did Not buy the cube for cheap titles and older releases". But the truth is, I don't even see where you can get away with saying "mostly".


I hear that you can still play the game on a GC even if there's a PS2 version out.

Just what I heard. Nice, NachoHat. A voice of reason. You're my hero. :D

[So_Sorry]

A moderator may choose to make a point public if he/she feels it will benefit other users.
I doubt that is the case here. For a small message it would be just easier to post in the thread than send a pm.


the only person you make look foolish here is yourself.
It takes 2 to tango. To make another look foolish one must make himself look foolish in the process.

If I was being as condescending as you I bet I would be banned.


you should know that a title should pertain some relevance to the sunject matter and not be profane.
The ad man knows you don't need relevant advertising to sell a product. The same is true when creating a topic title to get board members to enter a thread.


I'd bet that Nintendo prodded them to bring Symphonia over since the Cube needs more RPGs.
I might be wrong but I believe I saw a shot of Symphonia on a NoA site before the cube was released or not too long after it was released. I think they have been planning on bringing it here for quite awhile.


Namco may not see a reason to bring over the PS2 version if they've already released one version of the game over here.
There probably isn't much more work to do to bring over the port when the original is already coming to us. Could someone please think of the userbase?


And, even if Namco does want to bring the PS2 version over, Sony will probably deny it a release anyway, like they did when Namco tried to bring over Tales of Destiny 2 (as in the real ToD2, not Tales of Eternia).
But that was 2D right and this one is 3D celshaded.


but the graphics, sound and such will be inferior.
Namco has enough experience with the ps2 for this assumption to be a fantasy.


This sounds far fetched I'm sure but he played it at a friends house who got an advanced copy. He brought it up one day and we had never talked about the game before (nor many GCN RPG's). I have no reason to believe he's lying to me but if you don't believe me or him, that's your business.
I wasn't accusing you or him of lying but if he did get to play it then there must be more to the story of how one was able to get their hands on this game.


Nintendo did dominate at one point but not entirely
Ask your friends about Sega's master system and then ask them about the NES. What are their responses?


1 did you read my post? I don`t own a ps2. And what makes you think the people who own a ps2 don`t have a GC too?
Most ps2 owners don't own a xbox or a gc.


If you like the series so much then buy a GC.
Why? The next installment in the "Tales of" saga will be on the PS2 and this one is coming to the PS2.

[RedBoot]

But that was 2D right and this one is 3D celshaded.
Yeah. But I could see Sony denying it with an excuse like, "Oh, we don't want this game, it's already been on the Gamecube, and we don't want junk from our competitor's platform." I figure that's why they denied Killer 7, there's no other reason to do so.



Namco has enough experience with the ps2 for this assumption to be a fantasy.
Maybe. How does the PS2 version of Soul Calibur 2 compare to the GC or Xbox versions? I've heard that the PS2 version is fine, but noticably inferior to the other platforms. But then, I've never seen it myself, I'm just going by what I've heard.

Not to mention that since Symphonia was built ground-up for the GC, it may be harder to replicate on the PS2.

[MattThomasM2B]

Maybe. How does the PS2 version of Soul Calibur 2 compare to the GC or Xbox versions? I've heard that the PS2 version is fine, but noticably inferior to the other platforms.Correct. There are more jaggies and the colors are slightly more washed out. Plus PS2 players have to deal with that old fart Heiachi as a bonus character. :yawn:

[James]

I doubt that is the case here. For a small message it would be just easier to post in the thread than send a pm.

If I was being as condescending as you I bet I would be banned.

[QUOTE=So_Sorry]
The ad man knows you don't need relevant advertising to sell a product. The same is true when creating a topic title to get board members to enter a thread.


That's poor justification from a crass and pointless title - don't try and go there. Again, if you have an issue with me SEND a PM - this isn't a debatable issue, post another comment in reference to this issue in this thread and things will be taken further - I've ignored you attempts to ignore this once, but I will not tolerate this again. You don't like how I handle your comments - again, address it privately.

I like to be an open book. Make a comment/question how I work publically, I'll address it publically, but I believe any further problems you deal with PRIVATELY.

I'm so sorry (no pun intended believe it or not) to interupt this once more. However, I think I've made my reasons clear.

[RAINMAN]

I stopped caring. At first I did care. But now I don't. And just for the record, the game sold like ass in Japan. They were expecting it to break 500,000, only got a bit over 300,000. Japan is a lost cause for Nintendo.

America is where its at. Soul Caliber 2, at first, selling the best on the GCN. Skies of Arcadia sold double of what it sold in Japan (20,000 here, 10,000 in Japan. Which doesn't mean much, but still). Zelda and Mario games have broke a million here. Viewtiful Joe sold WAY better in the States.

Nintendo should really just focus on America. They're behind Xbox, but are still doing better here then in Japan.

The GC is outsaling the xbox in japan. And incase you don`t know, japan is N hometown. Why would wnat them to stop supporting their homebase? How would you like it if thing were not going well for sony in the states and they decide to just up and leave to go where the money is? What a selfish thing to say. And thing are not as bad for N as you think. Nor is sony owning everything as everyone thinks either.



From Game Gossip (http://www.gamegossip.com/comment.php?id=6958)

Overall, Nintendo news as of late has been positive, with high GameCube sales and an impressive line-up for the fourth quarter; and earlier today it seems more positive Nintendo news has surfaced.
Through Reuters it was reported today that Nintendo was the top software maker in Japan for the business year ended March 31st, 2004, citing magazine publisher Enterbrain (Famitsu, Arcadia) figures.
According to the report, Nintendo topped out with 6.5 million units of software, headed up by Mario Kart Double Dash and Mario Party 5. The Japanese side of the industry, which saw total game console sales down 15.7 percent in Japan with software sales down 1.7% to 55.2 million units, saw Square Enix as the second top software maker with four million units of software sold; and Konami in fourth place.

Seeeeee?

[NachoHat]

The GC is outsaling the xbox in japan. And incase you don`t know, japan is N hometown.Really. I had no idea. Shocking.


Why would wnat them to stop supporting their homebase? How would you like it if thing were not going well for sony in the states and they decide to just up and leave to go where the money is? What a selfish thing to sayHe never said they should just stop supporting Japan. He's saying they should shift their focus more to the US, since the GC is doing much better there than in Japan.

Sounds logical to me.


Nor is sony owning everything as everyone thinks either. Yes, they are. It's fact. There's really no arguing with it.

[Artimus Gigan]

Sony is the #1 system nearly everywhere

but it's strange unlike Nintendo they have no Mascot or constant group of representitive characters...

I mean the Nintendo characetrs are far more known....

[TacoHunter]

The GC is outsaling the xbox in japan. And incase you don`t know, japan is N hometown. Why would wnat them to stop supporting their homebase? How would you like it if thing were not going well for sony in the states and they decide to just up and leave to go where the money is? What a selfish thing to say. And thing are not as bad for N as you think. Nor is sony owning everything as everyone thinks either.

Rainman, please run your post through a spell checker. I do, and it helps me out a lot. Nintendo shouldn't pull out of Japan, I understand I came off sounding like that, but I didn't mean it like that. Nintendo is third here in the States. Microsoft is about a million or so units ahead. But even in this third place running Nintendo is still making more money here then in being second in Japan. What they should do is help close the gap between Xbox and GCN in the States, then try to win over Japan. And if they really wanted to win Japan back they'd have tried to get a Dragon Warrior game, even a spin off. I don't think there is a DW game that hasn't broke a million in Japan. Tales of games aren't even that popular. I'm not even sure if there has ever been a Tales of game that has broke a million.

[RAINMAN]

My mistakes taco hunter. N would love to have a DW game for the cube but they don`t make it. Square enix does.

Nacho Hunter: The ps2 maybe the top saleing systems but N is the top saleing publisher in games. Sony game are no macth for N`s. Or did ever click on the link?

[guinaevere]

Most ps2 owners don't own a xbox or a gc. Where are you getting these stats from?

[So_Sorry]

The GC is outsaling the xbox in japan.
The Japanese market is setup to severely hinder new competition and it is even worse for foreign competition. Only a company with the capital of Microsoft could try to make a place for itself in the Japanese market.


Sony is the #1 system nearly everywhere

but it's strange unlike Nintendo they have no Mascot or constant group of representitive characters...

I mean the Nintendo characetrs are far more known....
One doesn't need mario to sell games as one doesn't need Ronald McDonald to sell burgers.


Where are you getting these stats from?
What stats? I didn't mention any I believe.