south park episode #803

[wrenchien]

kyle sees the passion of the christ.

and is never the same again...

discuss.

[MattThomasM2B]

That..................was awesome.

[The Landstander]

I'm left without words.

[wrenchien]

nice star trek references in the first piece.. new car, too? nice.

more passion references. nice stuff, too.

poor kyle.. man he's scared.

wow, kyle's vomiting was pretty funky.

one more time kyle. LOL. :D

mel gibson worshipping? that's .. so wrong.

18 dollars!?!? it would cost me about seven. and i'd have enough to go bowling, too.

considering how jesus has been depicted in the past.. those drawings of christ are a true improvement on animation (like it was needed) ;)

where's my 15 dollars, btw, i earned today? or the $60 i earned gambling?

nice trash talking, huh, between cartman and kyle.

wow.. baseketball reference? first groenig on simpsons and this.. hmm, someone's been paying attention.

didn't know cartman still had that hitler costume.. guess he's going to make use of it again.

wow!!! mel gibson has a live action face!! so nice. sounds like he wants torture.

those mel gibson craziness.. sooo funny! :D nice crossdressing.

more cartman hitlerisms.. ohh my.. he's going to reenact the passion of the hitler :eek:

nice road warrior thing mel gibson did there...

cartman vs kyle.. wow.

wow, mel gibson is nutty still! and his head is REAL. neat stuff.

smearing dudu. .and he's caca. now this is a side of gibson i haven't seen.

i'm still surprised they haven't mentioned much about jesus being alive in the prior seasons.. whoa :eek:

wow.. gibson did WHAT to cartman?

pretty neat.. and bizarre. i wonder what next week's will bring.

alone again.. unnaturally,

wrenchien

[Spongebrain2.0]

It...was...hilarious!, Thought I didn't agree with the message, it was funny..and gross, especially when MEl Gibson stuck his hand in his ass, and rubbed his own s*** on the door

[Bubblegum Girl]

Oh god....that was so funny. Mel Gibson being crazy n' stuff. And Cartman in his hilter costume again.(And without the mustache) This episode makes up for last week's.

[Sigma]

Great episode, but not as good as the last two IMO.

[Ian]

Sweet. I especially loved Mel's spot-on Daffy Duck pastiche, and Cartman's mobilization. 8.9.

[wrenchien]

Great episode, but not as good as the last two IMO.

to be honest, this is #2 of the best 3 episodes this season. still would be real hard to beat the first one... maybe impossible. ever :anime:

[Samoht]

Words cannot describe how great this episode was.

[TnAdct1]

When I first read the episode's description, I thought this was going to be another "Will Timmy Go to Hell?" two-parter, which I felt sucked big time. However, Trey and Matt are able to avoid this with a very comical episode thanks to Cartman taking the film WAY too seriously (worshipping Mel Gibson and planning a Hitler-like attack against Jews) and the sub-plot in which Stan and Kyle try to get their money back from a Daffy Duck-like Mel Gibson (with those two representing people who don't give a damn about the whole Passion film). Among some of the funnier jokes:

-John Kerry appearing in Kyle's dream
-The crack at Baseketball
-Mel acting like Daffy Duck

[Thanos]

Great episode. My favorite of the season.

[Don_East]

I feel like Stan & Kenny, I want my 30 minutes back.

Grade: D+

[wrenchien]

well, mine were well spent. and i will like to watch the rerun..

[Juu-kuchi]

That was absolutely hilarious. The first part was laugh-out-loud funny right down to the daffy (literally) Mel Gibson. It was an interesting view on the popularity of the Passion.

However, I was rather irked at the last part. I liked the Passion, and as a movie it was rather good. I can understand Trey and Matt's lampooning over such a movie, but I just did not like it in the end that they well... made Mel insane. I also wanted Cartman to get his ass kicked. They also left out the rather said but ignored belief that WE (not the Jews but the whole world) killed Christ. But this is not exactly the place to talk about religion.

Other than that, great episode.

[Eidan]

Eh, thought Crazy Mel was funny, but their entire argument against the Passion was pitiful.

"You should concentrate on what he taught and not on how he died!"

That's all nice and dandy, but it when its specifically stated that this is what the movie covers, why would Trey & Matt dedicated an entire episode *****ing about how they didn't like it? Its not like Gibson lied to the public or something.

I guess I thought the overall episode was weak.

[wrenchien]

Eh, thought Crazy Mel was funny, but their entire argument against the Passion was pitiful.

"You should concentrate on what he taught and not on how he died!"

That's all nice and dandy, but it when its specifically stated that this is what the movie covers, why would Trey & Matt dedicated an entire episode *****ing about how they didn't like it? Its not like Gibson lied to the public or something.

I guess I thought the overall episode was weak.

perhaps they got their eighteen bucks back and more makin this episode, matt and trey.. after all, even those two do have taste.

and btw, i think they did air terrence and philip in a cameo.. didn't they air as part of a april fool's day episode, btw? a long time ago? :evil:

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

Eh, thought Crazy Mel was funny, but their entire argument against the Passion was pitiful.

"You should concentrate on what he taught and not on how he died!"

That's all nice and dandy, but it when its specifically stated that this is what the movie covers, why would Trey & Matt dedicated an entire episode *****ing about how they didn't like it? Its not like Gibson lied to the public or something.

I guess I thought the overall episode was weak.
I think the point they were tring to make is that they belived that Mel's movie uses the old "guilt trip" trick to get more people into Christanity. Making people feel guilty by focusing on what the Romans and Jews(not saying Jews are evil) put Jesus through, instead of focusing on the good thing Jesus did in his life and the reason God made his son go thru that ordeal. I'm not saying they are right or wrong because I haven't seen the movie myself.

One more thing, crazy Mel was funny, especialy when he gave Cartman a ****-spewing fart. :lol:

[TnAdct1]

Eh, thought Crazy Mel was funny, but their entire argument against the Passion was pitiful.

"You should concentrate on what he taught and not on how he died!"

That's all nice and dandy, but it when its specifically stated that this is what the movie covers, why would Trey & Matt dedicated an entire episode *****ing about how they didn't like it? Its not like Gibson lied to the public or something.
I think the real target of parody isn't the film itself, but rather, along with Mel Gibson, the groups who have their own percepiton of the film. Specifically, there's three main groups that are spoofed here:

1. Christians who feel that the film is a very meaningful piece that reflects how the Christian god, in the form of Jesus Christ, shows his love to others by suffering and dying on Good Friday. (the people in the Mel Gibson Fan Club)

2. Jewish people who feel that the film is anti-Semetic (sp?) with it containing the supposed idea that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' death. (South Park's Jewish community)

3. People who, even if their Christian (like me), don't give a fig about the content of the film. (Stan and Kyle, who feel that the Passion is nothing more than a "snuff film" and demand their money back)

Along with those types, Cartman and Kyle are also in their own personal group. For Cartman, he's, as usual, a Nazi-type figure who not only worships Mel Gibson as a god, but also feels that the Passion serves as fuel for his anti-Jew beliefs. For Kyle, he is a Jew who, after seeing the film, feels guilty that his people would do something to a person who is considered a god to other people, although he gets with the program upon realizing just how insane Mel Gibson really is.

[Scythemantis]

The end scene is quite possibly the wrongest and funniest thing ever.


but I just did not like it in the end that they well... made Mel insane.

Hate to break it to you, but in real life, he is.

[alkina07]

Eric Cartman got s*** on by Mel Gilbson that was freakin hilarious, but I would have to say that the first episode is my favorite so far.

[wrenchien]

btw. next time the forums change, even if you're turning it temporarily into some joke forums for a while.. at least post something in the news about it more in advance, like a few days. that way people can see it coming and not be so emotionally hurt and angered.

please , more warning next time.

like a week.

ok?

[Juu-kuchi]

What I would have also enjoyed is perhaps having Stan or Kyle say that Jesus himself was a Jew in that respect. I want Cartman to freak out on that part.

[Tobias]

btw. next time the forums change, even if you're turning it temporarily into some joke forums for a while.. at least post something in the news about it more in advance, like a few days. that way people can see it coming and not be so emotionally hurt and angered.

please , more warning next time.

like a week.

ok?

Dude, it's April Fool's Day. They do crazy stuff like this every year.

[boilerwash]

Was the picture that flashed in the lightning during Kyle's dream sequence a photo of John Kerry? I only caught an unexpected glance at it while watching and for some reason it looked like Alan Alda to me.

[candy17]

You know, I've always thought that South Park was going to go soft after seeing "Up The Down Steroid" (the episode where Cartman poses as a retarded kid to get into the Special Olympics and Jimmy takes steroids), even though I did like that episode (just the subplot of Cartman trying to get into the Special Olympics).

But with this episode (and the anime one that came before "Up The Down Steroid"), I can safely say that South Park is back to the way it once was: rude, crude, demented, but always with some sort of message that was neither sappy or preachy.

I loved the Daffy Duck parody and Stan's comment on how he and Kenny tried to get their money back after seeing "Baseketball".

I give it an A.

[kaine23]

First new SP i watched in ages and loved it.

[Leo Arcadia]

I appear to be one of the few who did not like this episode. Season 8 hasn't struck me as too hilarious so far. They need to return to those outrageous plots like aliens from outer space, evil clones, and general outlandish plots.

[MovieGuy]

Good episode, not as good as last weeks. I'm surprised. Mel Gibson jumping around in his underwear shooting at Stan & Kenny. and Kenny didn't die! =]

Loved Kyle at te end of THE PASSION.

[Fone Bone]

Best South Park in a long time. I agreed with it's message and thought it was VERY funny. Insane Mel pooing on Cartman was a perfect ending. I loved Stan and Kenny's reaction to the Passion: "Dude, that movie sucked." I like when Matt and Trey aren't afraid to criticize a movie everyone in the country is praising. To be honest, the Passion does sound like a $15 Million snuff film. Score: *****.

[Dee]

btw. next time the forums change, even if you're turning it temporarily into some joke forums for a while.. at least post something in the news about it more in advance, like a few days. that way people can see it coming and not be so emotionally hurt and angered.

please , more warning next time.

like a week.

ok?
dood... you seem to be the only one emotionally hurt and angered.

[Mynd Hed]

Eh, this one was so-so. The little "moral" was pretty good-- yes, The Passion of the Christ did suck, yes, it focussed too much on Christ's suffering and not enough on his message that made that sacrifice meaningful, yes, Jews overreacted to the percieved anti-Semitic message in the movie.
But where were the laughs? Mel Gibson being Daffy Duck missed the mark and was too wierd-for-the-sake-of-wierd and not satirical enough-- and besides, they did the same thing much better with Osama bin Laden. Cartman's little Hitler act was too obvious, too cookie-cutter-- I saw it coming the first moment he put on that little uniform, and nothing that happened after surprised me or made me smile.
The only good bits, IMO, were Mel Gibson's name being larger than Christ's on the movie marquee and Cartman praying to Mel Gibson. So far, this season has been hit-or-miss, and this was a miss.

Overall Grade: C-

[Mr. Insomnia]

Best episode by far. The Daffy Duck spoofs with Mel Gibson made my blood clot. Kyle looked f**ked up when he was done vomitting on himself, reminds me of one of the special olympics kids. Mel Gibson was animated pretty well, even with using actual pictures of him. The ending made me sit there and stare; I thought,"What the hell was that?" and all of a sudden burst into laughter.

Overall: 4.5 out of 5: A-

[Spongebrain2.0]

Well, I jsut hope you all know Mel Gibson is a very NORMAL, down to earth person in real life with a sense of humor, which is probably why Trey & Matt made him so insane and crazy. I'm sure if Mel saw this episode, he'd laugh at it!

[Chuquita]

Was the picture that flashed in the lightning during Kyle's dream sequence a photo of John Kerry? I only caught an unexpected glance at it while watching and for some reason it looked like Alan Alda to me.

I thought it was Donald Trump. Could've been Kerry though.

[Space Kitty]

It was Alan Alda, not John Kerry.

[chevy citation]

Mel Gibson being Daffy Duck missed the mark and was too wierd-for-the-sake-of-wierd and not satirical enoughI agree. I didn't think it was funny and I guess we're in the minority if everyone else here liked psycho Mel so much.

But everything else about the ep was funny.

[Spongebrain2.0]

I know, what you mean,Psycho Mel was a little over-board, thought it was funny as hell, especially when he amde that face in the truck after saying 'GIVE ME MY 18 BUCKS~

[Tapout]

Quite possibly the worst episode ever. Except the Baseketball reference. That was golden.

[Sandman]

Hate to break it to you, but in real life, he is.
After watching this episode, I can conclude that Gibson is no more insane than either Trey or Matt. They are all nuts. I also agree that Mel would probably just laugh at this. He is already laughing all the way to the bank.

[robert]

Yeah, Gibson's already made tons from "The Passion" so what does he care if people think he's daffy as a result? Besides, he's known to be a practical joker on the sets of his movies, so he'd look dumb if he can't take a joke about himself, no matter how over the top it is.

As for the psycho Mel in the episode, I think Matt and Trey probably got their inspiration for it for the often melodramatic way Gibson defended "The Passion" before it's release[like in the episode when they had him say if you thought the Passion sucked, then you thought Christianity sucked], and on the fact some of his movie characters are crazed and threatened with torture, i.e his suicidal nut in Lethal Weapon and his character in Braveheart that suffered extreme torture at the end which may or may not have been meant to make him like a Jesus esq martyr. So even though it was out there, I understood a little bit where Matt and Trey were coming from, therefore I laughed at it more.

[kaine23]

Funny episode. Loved the Baseketball crack.

[Fone Bone]

I love how devisive this episode is with the fans. I think that was it's whole point. Although I actually agreed with a South Park message for once, the thing that made this episode for me was that it was funny as sin. I also loved the developemant of Kenny's character (He was mad and wanted his money back!) without him being killed even though this episode had several logical places to do so. Great stuff!

[Zero Signal]

Didn't like this one as much as the other episodes this season. The best part of South Park is that, to me, there's never a bad episode. Some aren't as funny, but I've never seen an episode I hated.

I liked Cartman praying to Mel, Stan and Kenny tring to get their money back, and the line about "guilt tripping people back to the church". I wished they would have made a little more about the violence of the film though, like how if it was any other movie the ratings board would have been harsher on it and not given it an R.

And while I laughed at the Baseketball joke, am I the only one who loves that movie?

[Mynd Hed]

Quite possibly the worst episode ever. Except the Baseketball reference. That was golden.

That was a nice little bit of self-referential humor. And the bit where Stan puts two bucks back in Mel's wallet after taking out a twenty was another short but sweet bit of goodness. Too bad the rest of the episode was pretty crappy.

[Auggie Doggie]

(Mel) Gibson is caricatured in a Daffy Duck kind of way.
-Wild Willie Westwood, http://www.spscriptorium.com

Gee, no wonder the episode was hilarious.

Stan: Dude, this guy is freakin' daffy!
You're not kidding, Stanley.

And, based on the message the episode tried to get across, I was able to develop different views on what anybody could develop from "The Passion".

If one concentrates on the movie's violence over the Christian meaning-It would be a sour experience, one that would rival a horror-slasher movie.
If you concentrate on the message Gibson is trying to get across-Then it will be somewhat faith affirming, understanding that Jesus went through all of that for us.
If you concentrate on the depiction of the Jewish priests-You MIGHT stupidly come off believing that the film is Anti-Semetic.
And, of course, the animated sequences of Jesus being crucified are probably the best animation of "South Park" since...well, since the Anime spoof in "Fun Times With Weapons", which was in turn the best animation of "South Park" since "Bigger, Longer and Uncut".

[robert]

Did anyone note the little commentary made in that scene when Kyle bought a ticket for "The Passion" and the movie guy said something like "It's rated R, but because it depicits the suffering of Jesus, I'll let you in" That was probably Matt and Trey's little moment of pointing out our attitude towards extremely violent movies, since we turn a blind eye towards letting kids see them for reasons like that.

[Jolly Bengali]

What an asinine episode. I've enjoyed most South Park episodes, but this was just...dumb!

First of all, Mel Gibson as a psycho was very meaningless and uninspired. It was like the writers wanted Mel Gibson in there, but couldn't think of anything to do with him, so they made him crazy. Was there anything funny about him jumping around like Daffy Duck, driving the car from Mad Max, and s****ing on Cartman?

Where was the satire in here? There was so much that could have been lampooned: Christianity, Judaism, neoNaziism, Mel Gibson, the movie industry, but there was nothing in this episode that even tried to be satirical.

Worst of all was Cartman at Hitler. This was extremely unfunny, and not really true to Cartman's character (he's supposed to be dumb and impressionable, but not simply hateful). The whole episode, I ws hoping for some payoff or punchline for Cartman, but nothing came.

Not that the episode was a total washout. It made fun of the hype over The Passion well, and the first scenes with Gibson were hilarious (his defense of The Passion, his fetish for torture). Just, could have been so much better.

C-

[Fone Bone]

Cartman is SUCH a hata! He hates with every fiber of his being. He's the hatiest hater who ever hated.

The impression I get from South Park is that all the kids are innocent and impresionable except for Cartman who is horrible and that all the adults are corrupt perverts except for Chef who is a non-corrupt pervert.

The Simpson satirizes the media culture while Beavis and Butthead are about teenage nihilism. King of the Hill seems to be about the simpleness of folks in the heartland and Futurama seems to be about the horrors of "progress". Family Guy has no subtext, it's just out to give you a laugh. South Park, I think seems to be about the innocence of childhood. Despite their sailor talk the kids seem to genuinely believe in doing the right thing. Except for Cartman who's a total hata!

[Tobias]

Worst of all was Cartman at Hitler. This was extremely unfunny, and not really true to Cartman's character (he's supposed to be dumb and impressionable, but not simply hateful). The whole episode, I ws hoping for some payoff or punchline for Cartman, but nothing came.

C-

I take it you never saw 'Scott Tenorman Must Die', the episode that proves just how hateful and evil Cartman can get.

[shogunthethird]

I finally saw this episode in it's entirety.....and I learned something today


1. My fellow chosen people...we need to calm the hell down.....if we keep over-reacting over fake anti-semitism from our friends we'll be blindsided by the real stuff coming from our enemies and fatass 8-year old Mel-worshipping nazis (and not the cute "springtime for hitler" kind either)
2. Mel Gibson is a freak and a moron...... anyone who tries to use dark ages methods to stir religious fervor needs a good solid reformation of the brain
3. Guilting people into religion? what's so new about that, Jewish mothers have been doing that since Eve first bragged to Cain about how well Abel did in medical school (and we all know how that ended up)
4.to this day the most enlightened religious filmmaker of our time is still Kevin Smith
5. Biblical figure snuff films make a lot of money
(Coming soon from Happy Madison pictures: Maul Moses directed by Quentin Tarantino)

[Jolly Bengali]

I take it you never saw 'Scott Tenorman Must Die', the episode that proves just how hateful and evil Cartman can get.
Yeah, I saw that episode; one of my favorites. However, Cartman had been humliated and driven insane with rage throughout the episode, so you can see how he becomes so evil.

I understand that Cartman is supposed to be heartless. However, his anti-Jew sentiment towrards Kyle is based on his impressionability and his desire to provoke Kyle. Portraying him as a full-blown anti-Semite (who wanted to put Jews in gas chambers) took the joke too far and didn't work for me.

[Fone Bone]

Yeah, I saw that episode; one of my favorites. However, Cartman had been humliated and driven insane with rage throughout the episode, so you can see how he becomes so evil.

I understand that Cartman is supposed to be heartless. However, his anti-Jew sentiment towrards Kyle is based on his impressionability and his desire to provoke Kyle. Portraying him as a full-blown anti-Semite (who wanted to put Jews in gas chambers) took the joke too far and didn't work for me.It was totally in character. The kid dressed up as Hitler for Halloween. He's a full-blown, supersized, maximum, ultra, maniacal, huge butt, big time, gargantuan, ginourmas, groady, evil, stinkin', lousy, horrible, bigoted, foul, excrement headed, jumbo, ecconamy sized, rotten, racist, power-hungry, awful, willfully ignorant, spiteful, jerky, son-of-a-female-dog, mother fathering HAAAATTAAAA!!!!!!

And those are his good qualities.:p

[RockItShipper]

And while I laughed at the Baseketball joke, am I the only one who loves that movie?
Dude- I was an extra in it (AICN gave me the heads-up). Course I love it! Still have the Beer mug hats I got during the shoot.

[Auggie Doggie]

Gibson's 'The Passion' a Hit Among Arabs (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/fc?d=tmpl&cf=fc&in=entertainment&cat=the_passion)

According to the news presented in the link above, the Arabs loved "The Passion" for the same reason as Cartman in this episode.

Now, I'm screwing over "The Passion" and working on having everybody watch this episode instead, as its obviously more important to see if you watched "The Passion".

[wrenchien]

Gibson's 'The Passion' a Hit Among Arabs (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/fc?d=tmpl&cf=fc&in=entertainment&cat=the_passion)

According to the news presented in the link above, the Arabs loved "The Passion" for the same reason as Cartman in this episode.

Now, I'm screwing over "The Passion" and working on having everybody watch this episode instead, as its obviously more important to see if you watched "The Passion".

i, btw, still won't watch the passion. it's not like i haven't read the book already.

i wonder... if scooby doo had a 2nd movie, would a 2nd korn appearance (which mocked scooby doo in their first south park appearance) be not far off?
.. unless korn really hasn't been heard from in a very long time.

and..

1. yes, i probably was, delia. or at least the only one honest enough to admit the whole april fool's thing wasn't a nice idea.

2. i'm glad this talkback is going well, and some serious debate has come out of it , without any thread unstabilization.

3. too bad sampo couldn't post some screencaps to fuel the discussion of certain scenes, those would rule.

4. i've learned a valuable lesson from all this.
don't ever walk 12 miles in a day, and go to pharr walking when you could have just gotten a cab. and the m.rivas grocery store in pharr, tx.... it's so... wierd. and kinda cool.

5. i finally admit matt wilson's some sort of cool. and delia, too, i guess.

[PowerZord]

It was good, but there has been better episodes than this one, way better
I liked the Lesson of the episode about the movie focusing on the death of jesus.

Umm I give it a 3.5/10

[RockItShipper]

Gibson's 'The Passion' a Hit Among Arabs (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/fc?d=tmpl&cf=fc&in=entertainment&cat=the_passion)

According to the news presented in the link above, the Arabs loved "The Passion" for the same reason as Cartman in this episode.

I'm glad I'm not the only who took issue with this:
http://www.eurweb.com/articles/morenews/02262004/morenews1336902262004.cfm

[wrenchien]

indeed...

btw, there's a new one this week, too.. don't forget to watch it. regardless of whether you believe in daylight savings time.. or not.