Have you noticed....

[InsoMniaC]

That Disney makes sequels of almost everything? (like cinderella, beauty and the beast, lion king, snow white, etc.)

[Tobias]

As long as people buy this crap, Disney will keep making this stuff.

If you stop buying bad sequels, they'll stop making bad sequels.

[loyalheart]

no i never noticed, thank you for telling me.

[tucsoncoyote]

As long as people buy this crap, Disney will keep making this stuff.

If you stop buying bad sequels, they'll stop making bad sequels.That's True Tobias, and in fact the Cheapquels will only stop when one man (Namely the Chief Executive Officer, Michael D. Eisner) is out of office...

Frankly I think it's a bit of Disgrace when Disney started doing Cheapquels, and in fact it's Funny when you compare Walt Disney (The Real Man Behind Disney) and of Course Eisner, their Track Records in terms of animated "Sequels" (or as we Love to Call them "Cheapquels" is like Light and Shadow)...

Walt Disney in all the years he was alive, made as I recall (and anyone who has more knowledge on this subject can Correct me as i don't always have the facts Always Straight), was just one animated Sequel.. Namely a Sequel the The Three Little Pigs. Walt in fact, after doing that One animated sequel vowed never again to do another..(it wasn't that it was poorly done, but rather fans of the original weren't very interested in it)..

Eisner on the Other hand has been Cranking out the Cheapquel as fast as you can Imagine.

I mean if you want to Break it down here are the Cheapquels and in fact if anyone wants to add to this list we can (and this includes thngs that are even upcoming.. so here we go

Little Mermaid 2:Return to the sea
Aladdin: Jafar's Revenge
Aladdin: Prince of Thieves
Beauty and the Beast (at least 2 to 3 to my knowledge)
Pocahontas 2
Return to Neverland
Hunchback of Notre Dame 2
Lion King 1 1/2
Lion King 2
Tarzan and Jane (Two or Three Episodes that were not shown on The Legend of Tarzan TV Series)
Cinderella 2: Dreams Come True
Mulan 2 (In Production)
The Emperor's New Groove 2 (In Production)
*Add more here*

but you can already see that Eisner is pulling out the stops and is running the excellent plot ideas into the ground.. and usually not once but sometimes 2 or even 3 times!

Frankly that's the difference between the Quality that Disney Cranked out and the Quantity that Eisner is doing now.. Frankly Disney's Thoughts on Animated movies was to innovate and to be original, Eisner's Thoughts on how Much Can we Push onto the public and how much money can we get out of them for each item. Innovation at Disney when Disney was Alive and in the era B.E. (Before Eisner) proved that Disney could do the innovation. but sadly today Eisner and his Evil Group at Disney have turned Movies into a "Dime a Dozen" Type thought and it just sickens me about this..Frankly Tobias is right..


As long as people buy this crap, Disney will keep making this stuff.

If you stop buying bad sequels, they'll stop making bad sequels.That's perhaps the best statement coming out of someone who has about as much in terms of innovation, as anyone around here (With the exception of the Disney CEO and the Board of Directors) .. so I give you Kudos Tobias!:D

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[RockItShipper]

To be honest, I think if everyone on these boards boycotted Disney cheapquels it would not make any significant difference in their profitabilty.

But they're selling out the company's good name for a quick buck. It will only serve to undermine the company's reputation in the long run and perhaps end with consumers passing over Disney titles altogether as to avoid paying $20 on a possible cheapquel. Animation quality is one issue. Story quality another. And perhaps the most important: Innovation. Especially when your product is a "sure thing", go put a little something exciting and different in it.

[Dudley]

no i never noticed, thank you for telling me.
I never noticed it either.

Tucsoncoyote, you forgot Atlantis 2: Milo Returns.

[shogunthethird]

Lion king 2 was one of the better ones, and in my book, Return of Jafar and King of Thieves were the pilot and series finales of the Aladdin TV series and the ONLY reason to make cheapquels should be to begin and end new animated series based off the original movie

[Wolfcruiser]

Well,y'all can blame the "Rescuers Down Under" for this. The first Disney movie sequel.

[William C. Maune]

Tucsoncoyote, you forgot Atlantis 2: Milo Returns.

Atlantis 2 was different from the others. It was actually three episodes of the aborted "Team Atlantis" cartoon spliced into a movie.

[tucsoncoyote]

To be honest, I think if everyone on these boards boycotted Disney cheapquels it would not make any significant difference in their profitabilty.

But they're selling out the company's good name for a quick buck. It will only serve to undermine the company's reputation in the long run and perhaps end with consumers passing over Disney titles altogether as to avoid paying $20 on a possible cheapquel. Animation quality is one issue. Story quality another. And perhaps the most important: Innovation. Especially when your product is a "sure thing", go put a little something exciting and different in it.
I agree with you here on this one Rockitshipper, after all Story Quality is sadly lacking a number of times in a Disney Cheapquel or that.. Animation Qualtiy is another and in fact sometimes both are lacking..

As for TV Shows, what can you expect? After all Disney Bought out both ABC Broadcasting and Fox Family Channel, and in fact I've yet to see one GOOD Disney show (Next To Gargoyles) on the Jetix block on ABC Family.

there's that old Saying.. If it's Not Broke, why fix it?

another analogy here would be.. If you've done it twice, you've done it once too often!

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[tucsoncoyote]

I never noticed it either.

Tucsoncoyote, you forgot Atlantis 2: Milo Returns.
Well Noone is perfect Dudley, after all I did say at the bottom of the list in my post...

*Add more here*


But Will you are right as well, as Team Atlantis was supposed to be a TV Series and Eisner axed that idea and decided to crank out that Cheapquel..and call it Atlantis 2. (Go Figure).

Atlantis 2: Milo Returns (3 TV Episodes, one Cheapquel, anyone wanna buy it?):D

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Lcoyote

[tucsoncoyote]

Well,y'all can blame the "Rescuers Down Under" for this. The first Disney movie sequel.
how True Wolfcruiser, indeed Rescuers Down Under is the FIRST Disney Sequel, but I don't know if this was one that was during the time Eisner was in control as CEO of Disney, (Circa 1984 or later).

if it was, then you can say that since 1984, Eisner's been cranking out the Cheapquels..Else whoever did that movie and the CEO at the time was the guilty party..

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[William C. Maune]

But Will you are right as well, as Team Atlantis was supposed to be a TV Series and Eisner axed that idea and decided to crank out that Cheapquel..and call it Atlantis 2. (Go Figure).

Atlantis 2: Milo Returns (3 TV Episodes, one Cheapquel, anyone wanna buy it?):D

I bought it. The TV series had some good staff behind it so I wanted to check this out. Are you sure Eisner was the reason it was cancelled?

[tucsoncoyote]

I bought it. The TV series had some good staff behind it so I wanted to check this out. Are you sure Eisner was the reason it was cancelled?Actually Will, there's no proof that Eisner did Cancel it, but I am curious as to why Eisner cut out 3 of The Legend of Tarzan episodes and put them into Tarzan and Jane, from what I can see, they look quite interesting. But from what I heard, after the bruhaha about the somewhat "Dismal" profits from the Original Atlantis, (which I thought was very good in terms of Story Dynamics), it's anyone's Guess on why The TV Series was done, then Cancelled..(in fact I'm just as curious about this as you are, Will.:confused: Anyone got any insight on this?) from what I saw this (Team Atlantis) could have been a quite well made TV Series.

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[William C. Maune]

Ask Greg seems to be down at the moment, but according to Greg Weisman (Voice Director on Team Atlantis), basically the series was scrapped because the movie didn't do as well as Disney had hoped.

[Juu-kuchi]

That Disney makes sequels of almost everything? (like cinderella, beauty and the beast, lion king, snow white, etc.)
Yeah I've noticed it... for about more than 6 years.

[Duke]

Well,y'all can blame the "Rescuers Down Under" for this. The first Disney movie sequel.
However, that one friggin rocked. The only Disney "cheapquels" I've actually kinda enjoyed are Return of Jafar and Lion King 1/2. Both I wouldn't rate higher than a 7.

[phonica]

how True Wolfcruiser, indeed Rescuers Down Under is the FIRST Disney Sequel, but I don't know if this was one that was during the time Eisner was in control as CEO of Disney, (Circa 1984 or later).
Writing for RDU began in 1986... so we can safely say Eisner started the cheapquel ball rolling. At least I think the pitch wouldnt have been before 1984 if the writing was in 1986...

[tucsoncoyote]

Ask Greg seems to be down at the moment, but according to Greg Weisman (Voice Director on Team Atlantis), basically the series was scrapped because the movie didn't do as well as Disney had hoped.Actually Will, I found a Review (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000089G5O/102-5150211-5561727?v=glance)over at Amazon.com (by an independent Reviewer), and apparently I got some more details on Team Atlantis, which later became Atlantis 2: Milo's Return.

Apprently what Greg Weisman states is true about Team Atlantis, The Show was indeed headed to be made into a Series, but someone at Disney (I'm not Saying Eisner per se, ) decided that the project wasn't going to be "cost Effective," Especially after the Original Movie, Atlantis, 'Bombed' at the box office." (By Bombing, Apparently Disney was basing a lot of this off of the American box office Sales, rather then the international Box Office Sale (where the Movie Grossed 89 Million Dollars). So we know the Why, but we really don't know WHO pulled the plug on this potential series.

but further review of the writers comment gives some insight into this, as to why it was pulled. Apparently the plot behind Team Atlantis was sort of like a plot out of Scooby Doo (The Animated Series) that involved Real Monsters...(I kid you not..) so does this sound like something that Mid-Level Management would do at Disney? (Most Likely). or something Eisner would Decide? (Less Likely). Either way Eisner must have had some say in the matter, but if Atlantis was designed by one of the Animation Companies of Disney then you have to blame the Head of the animation Section (for example if this was a WDW Florida project, it would fall under Mr. Andrew Stanton). so whichever studio section of Disney created the Series, is most likely the guilty party.

(Takes a Detective to figure out who Killed the project!)

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[Lady Heartilly]

It's all part of Eisner's plan to make as much money doing as little as possible as quickly as possible.

[Wolfcruiser]

Tusconcoyote: "Rescuers Down Under" was released in 1990. So,sequels have been made since 1990.

[William C. Maune]

but further review of the writers comment gives some insight into this, as to why it was pulled. Apparently the plot behind Team Atlantis was sort of like a plot out of Scooby Doo (The Animated Series) that involved Real Monsters...(I kid you not..)

I think that is oversimplifying the concept for the Team Atlantis series. The team in the Atlantis movie was going to investigate the legend of Atlantis to see whether it was true or not. The series would have continued on a similar mission to investigate other legends worldwide.


Either way Eisner must have had some say in the matter

Not necessarily, he may micro-manage, but Disney is huge. He can't get to everything. Blame is fine where blame is due, but it doesn't do any good to blame Eisner for things he didn't do.

Ask Greg still seems to be down, but I'll post his comments when I can get access to them.

[SpaceCowboy]

Well,y'all can blame the "Rescuers Down Under" for this. The first Disney movie sequel.
However, that movie was actually good. It had a large budget, an enjoyable story, and was designed for the theaters.

The video cheapquels on the other hand mostly have vastly inferior animation and the stories are hardly creative and just meant to copy the original film. One of the few exceptions would be "Aladdin and the King of Thieves".

[Juu-kuchi]

I think that is oversimplifying the concept for the Team Atlantis series. The team in the Atlantis movie was going to investigate the legend of Atlantis to see whether it was true or not. The series would have continued on a similar mission to investigate other legends worldwide.

Would they still have annoying lizard pet with them as well if the show actually lifted off though? Because that lizard thing annoyed the hell out of the me. I also think after seeing Milo's Return that it was rather PC as well. I know they're adventurers, but I thought they would arm themselves at least. I know Disney was able to get away a bit with some usage of actual gunpowder-based firearms in "The Legend of Tarzan" but most of them never really hit their mark and most were destroyed or kicked away by our favorite loin-cloth environmentalist.

Didn't somebody say Demona would appear in that show?

[William C. Maune]

Didn't somebody say Demona would appear in that show?

Yep, the script was written, but that was as far as work on that episode got before the series was scrapped.

[Bobby B]

Well,y'all can blame the "Rescuers Down Under" for this. The first Disney movie sequel.


It was the first ANIMATED Disney movie sequel. "Son of Flubber" was the first Disney movie sequel.

[William C. Maune]

Ask Greg (Greg Weisman) is back up so here is the Team Atlantis information:

The Demona episode was written, recorded and partially storyboarded. Marina Sirtis was back as Demona and a voice tape of the episode exists.

Greg Guler did the character designs for both Gargoyles and Team Atlantis.

Greg Weisman on what happened to Team Atlantis: "On Friday the 13th, July 2001, the staff and etc. of Disney's Team Atlantis was informed that the series was being scrapped. Being a freelance Voice Director, I wasn't at the meeting, but I've been told that the company is disappointed with the box office of the Atlantis film and have decided not to spend additional monies on a series."

[tucsoncoyote]

Ask Greg (Greg Weisman) is back up so here is the Team Atlantis information:

The Demona episode was written, recorded and partially storyboarded. Marina Sirtis was back as Demona and a voice tape of the episode exists.

Greg Guler did the character designs for both Gargoyles and Team Atlantis.

Greg Weisman on what happened to Team Atlantis: "On Friday the 13th, July 2001, the staff and etc. of Disney's Team Atlantis was informed that the series was being scrapped. Being a freelance Voice Director, I wasn't at the meeting, but I've been told that the company is disappointed with the box office of the Atlantis film and have decided not to spend additional monies on a series."
So then we know the Why but we don't know who to blame but let's put blame where blame is due....

That's is indeed intriguing there Will, but then it comes back to not putting the blame on Eisner here, but from someone in middle management at Disney, who probably made such a "snap decision" based on Box Office returns.

Now then who was the one who exactly Ordered the Cancellation of this series? After all it gets rather disturbing that "The Left Hand doesn't Know what the Right hand is doing" Kind of Mentality at Disney, that leaves me wondering that if Eisner's Not giving the orders for the Scrapping of Team Atlantis and the continuation of Production for the sequel/cheapquels? Then who exactly is doing the dirty work there? (Stanton of Feature Animation Perhaps? or perhaps someone else in Middle managment, after all we can't blame Eisner for this scrapping now, can we?)

that's where the accountability factor comes in.. find out who did this and fire them..

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[mac]

It's too bad the Disney company is now just another huge, horrible, polluting, greedy, evil corporation now.

Everything that was special about Disney has all but disappeared, but luckily it can't all be destroyed. Sure, the Disney company will now only be making trying-to-be-like-Pixar movies, crappy cheapquels made by people who get paid next to nothing in India and cruddy hyped-up fairgrounds instead of theme parks, but many of the original films are still timeless and will not be forgotten.

I also hold onto the hope that Roy Disney and his team will be able to Save Disney.