Which do you think was the worst of all 3 Batman shows?

[Blight]

Was it B:TAS, TNBA or BB? I think the worst was probably TNBA. The voice acting wasn't as good as in B:TAS and BB (in my opinion) and alot of the storys really sucked. I think the best show, however, was BB. I know most of us here probably think B:TAS was best, but I can't help but love Terry (and Blight!). Please post your opinions everyone!:)

See ya!
Blight

[The Flash]

TNBA....I just didn't like the change I guess.....

[Domino]

Batman Beyond. Retread villains, and as I have said before, it was more like a Spider-Man show than a Batman show. At no point would you ever have seen Bruce Wayne in his youth with an egg baby <g>.

[Salvor]

This is one difficult issue...

I'd say Batman Beyond. I know, it sounds crazy because I have a website dedicated to the show but still, it's no Batman.

[Tim Drake]

Either BB or TNBA. BB had a lot of stupid episodes with poor one shot villians. The Repeller, the rat-boy, armory, etc. etc. the list goes on and on. If nothing else TNBA had better villians. Plus TNBA had Over the Edge and Judgement Day! However, considering how short of a run it had some 20 something episodes they introduced a lot of villians that weren't needed. Instead of resurrecting some old ones. Firefly, and Calender Girl just don't compare to Riddler and others. Plus they got rid of all the cool mob bosses

BB had some good stuff. The first season was great and season 3 was pretty decent too. The Call, Rebirth, Out of the Past, etc. Actually know that I think about it I choose TNBA. because BB had ROTJ!!

[optimal321]

Well, i guess i'd have to say TNBA. I don't really have a reason. I like all of the series' and BTAS is my fav. Other than that, it's kinda a toss up between TNBA and BB. Not because they both stunk, but because they were both so great. But i guess i'd have to say TNBA.

[DR. BELCH]

--T:NBA. I never liked the redrawn Penguin, Riddler looked like a perambulating skeleton, Bane was inexplicably brought back after it was shown he was just a skinny 98-lb. wimp without his happy juice, and one-shot stinkers like Farmer Brown and Calendar Girl (who reminded me of a disgruntled Fashion Clubber on Daria; there could be crossover potential there). On the other hand Joker was honored well; his new look meshed nicely with his psychotic, antisocial personality demeanor (even when made to look like a buffoon you can see how dangerous he is when crossed). Batman Beyond had a few clunkers like "Heroes", "Rats", "Speak No Evil","Terry's Friend", and "Eggbaby" (I got raked over the coals for calling that one male-wussifying/bashing feminist pap)...but g.d. if they didn't make up for it with scripts like "Out of the Past", "Meltdown", "Inqueling" (probably my fav of the Inque trilogy), "The Call", and "Ace in the Hole".

[Mr. Obsession]

TNBA.

Sure, it was Batman, it was better than a lot of stuff out there at the time and it did produce some episode gems, but I still rank it as the weakest of the Batman shows.

My first problem would be that trying to cram Batman and Robin and Batgirl and Nightwing (yes I know it didn't happen much, but it still happened) plus one or more villains into a 20ish minute episode was to much.

Second would be that there were very few solo Batman ep's.

Third, while there were still some very good ep's there was CRITTERS. Yes the other series had their bad episodes, but this is CRITTERS I'm talking about. You can probably find someone out there who liked MOON OF THE WOLF or HEROES. But I challenge you, find one person who can honestly say that they liked CRITTERS (and only liking it for Farmer Brown's daughter doesn't count either :p )

Finally, the redesign. While I do think that some of the characters did look good, or even better in TNBA (Scarecrow's redesign is awesome) and I'm glad that the decided to use Superman's style since the two shows were running together. But I felt that the redesign for Batman just didn't look that good.


insert edit:
I forgot to add that I also missed having the regular old mob around.

[Bud 'n Lou]

Riddler looked so gay
I'm curious. What exactly does "gay" look like?

[Blight]

I guess it's not surprising though. TNBA was pretty bad overall (which was highly dissapointing:(, because I really liked Batman's new design, among other things). Also, I probably should have added this in my first post, but it seems to me that TNBA was a little shorter than the other two shows in length (which is weird, because BB and TNBA were on the same network!) so that might have been one of the reasons we got some episodes that felt too short.

See ya!
Blight

[DisneyBoy]

I loved most of B:TAS, except for a few weak episodes. TNBA took a lot of warming up to for me. The redesigns really ticked me off. True, the Scarecrow's design was really creepy, but he was never really animated correctly. He just looked too chunky. Oh, and considering that the look of the whole show was "streamlined", then why wasn't the animation better? You would think that they would have used the time they saved drawing Riddler's hair to make the backgrounds or people more 3D! Instead we got animation like "Sins of the Father"!
For me though, nothing compares to the insult that was Batman Beyond. Return of the Joker or not, seeing some teenager put on a supersuit and fight students with telekenetic powers and call himself Batman was going to far with artistic license. And the worst part is that they attached it to the amazing, television-altering, "best representation of Batman ever" show that was B:TAS. I will never buy into the idea that BB is the future in store for any of those amazing characters. It is a possible future, and "Elsewords" if you will. The worst part is imagining what could have been done with TNBA had the time and money and effort used to create BB was put into the original Batman instead.

[DR. BELCH]

Originally posted by Bud 'n Lou
I'm curious. What exactly does "gay" look like?
He looked wrong, I'll put it that way. Something about a bald-headed man running about in a skin-hugging green leotard just looks rather effeminate. I liked his old look better; the green jacket, trousers, and mask made him look dapper. Come to think of it, I didn't like Scarecrow's new design either--he reminded me more of The Undertaker on WWF than a scarecrow. And Catwoman's pasty white face and dark cropped hair was just--aaaaacck. Don't get me started.

[mxyzptlk]

i thought they were all pretty good but the worst ithought was bb

[Bud 'n Lou]

Something about a bald-headed man running about in a skin-hugging green leotard just looks rather effeminate
So bald men remind you of women? Hmm...
Anyway, I just wanted you, and everyone else here to know that I take offense to the use of "fruity boy", the affore mentioned statement, and similar statements. I'm surprised no one else spoke up about it. These ARE supposed to be the boards where everyone keeps an open mind and has respect for others, right? I know just about everyone here would be annoyed if someone said something equally derrogatory about blacks or jews.

[DerekPowers]

you tell em bud n lou. I agree, whos anyone here to start labeling people. we are all unique and different, and that includes Mr. Nygma!

anyway I CANT BELIEVE WHAT I'M HEARING!!! I had no idea there was such dissatifaction with tnba. I loved it. true btas was way better, but come on, tnba rocked. sure there was critters and love is a croc and a few bad ones, but overall it was great. and the animation was GREAT in some episodes, like "you scratch my back", "The demon within" "growing pains" "holiday knights", "never fear", "the ultimate thrill", "over the edge" and countless others. Seriously, take a second look at some of the animation, it was really great. I agree that selina's short hair wasnt doing it for me, but i liked her in the catwoman outfit. And i LOVED the new penguin so much. i loved his classic re-design and most of all i loved his new persona, the shady nightclub owner, the "pseudo-criminal". I didn't care for joker's new design, because he just look so skinny and weird, mainly because of the animation. in "world's finest" pt 1, he looked great. but in "joker's millions" he didnt look so hot, but not a huge issue. I didnt care too much for scarcrow's new design, but the scarcrow eps were great (never fear, over the edge). and we got Mad Love! I remember watching it with my roommate for the first time. i expected the psychological stuff and harley getting thrown out the window, but i can honestly say my roommate's mouth dropped when she got tossed. he just didnt expect it in a "kiddie" cartoon. so i guess you can tell i loved tnba. but i would have taken a whole riddler ep over farmer brown or calander girl or even the new croc anyday.

Anyway i really cant believe my ears (actually my eyes). but we all like different things i guess. I think btas was by far the greatest out of them all in every way, but then comes tnba. And i love bb, but if you twisted my arm i'd have to say it was the worst of the three. I might have been singing a different tune if the second season wasnt so bad, and if they brought back DEREK POWERS AKA BLIGHT, but what are you going to do? well thats my opinion. peace.

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by Bud 'n Lou

So bald men remind you of women? Hmm...
Anyway, I just wanted you, and everyone else here to know that I take offense to the use of "fruity boy", the affore mentioned statement, and similar statements. I'm surprised no one else spoke up about it. These ARE supposed to be the boards where everyone keeps an open mind and has respect for others, right? I know just about everyone here would be annoyed if someone said something equally derrogatory about blacks or jews.




Discrimination of any kind is not alloud on these boards, but we also understand if the use of certain words that offend other posters was unintentional, as some people just have involuntary speach that they themselves find inoffensive, but might not be aware they are offending others. Still, of course, it's also a precedent that all posters should respect each other. So replies containing language requests should be noted by everyone.

That said, all we need to do is keep that in mind and just enjoy our boards.

[Clayface]

I'd go with Batman Beyond, for all the reasons listed already.

[Salvor]

Originally posted by DerekPowers
anyway I CANT BELIEVE WHAT I'M HEARING!!! I had no idea there was such dissatifaction with tnba
Neither did I! This wave of dissatisfaction astounds me...

[Fish]

The worst of the 3? Hmm...tough one. Lemme sum up mu thoughts

BTAS: the series that started it all and made me a fan. I think the episodes were great but some of the animation was horrible! The music was really good in BTAS and the eps were dark even if the tone wasn't too gritty and violence was toned down. They made Batman work in a kidsshow without making grownups go "ough"

TNBA: Character redesign; I did not like the new design at first but eventually I got to like it. I think the animation was way smoother than in BTAS and the toys for that line are awesome cuz they look excactly the same as in the cartoon whereas I found the BTAS toys...sloppy.
Stories was lighter but the tempo and violence in the eps were faster and more frequent. They were not afraid to show blood.
The use of CGI in some eps was really cool and was very well an integrated part of the cartoon( unlike Subzero where it doesn't blend in that well but looks cool anyways)

BB: New redesign again and a new Batman. I was not a fan at first but watched the show 'cuz Bruce was in it and I wanted to know about what happened. Animation is ok but I liked the softer animation on both BTAS and TNBA better. If you take a look at BB it seems as if all shapes are carved in stone. Peoples faces are square the buildings and all. Music is raw techno-rock and made to appeal to a young audience. The plots were often not very good and there was too many new charracters who didn't get developed enough. What a shame.

My choice: BB was the worst!! Sorry Terry

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[Inque]

Am I the only one where who loves Batman Beyond?!?!?!?!

I'd say the worst would have to be TNBA

[Joker85]

Batman Beyond. I never liked this show at all. It just seemed a little to weird and stupid for me. JMO

[Nightwing]

I wouldn't go as far as to say I didn't like Batman Beyond at all, even though it would be my pick of the three, of course. It had it's gems, just not as much to satisfy the quota that makes an excellent ground breaking series like BTAS, or even TNBA. If the three were rated by how much unique and strong characters/stories/presentation they had, I'd have to say it would go a little something like this:

1. Batman: The Aniamted Series
2. The New Batman(/Superman) Adventures
3. Batman Beyond

Batman Beyond simply fell victim to a few of the faults a teenage show can have that Batman shows normally tower over with ease.

[Christo]

Batman Beyond is my least favorite (though I can't use the term 'worst' because I still have enjoyed the show a great deal).

BB jumped the shark for me in the second season when every single meanace that Terry faced was somehow connected to someone in his High School. It just pushed the boundaries of my personal suspension of disbelief and lost my interest. And the JLU episode was such a disappointment.

Still, third best (well, fourth after Superman) isn't bad . . .

[Kylewayne]

Originally posted by Fish

BB: New redesign again and a new Batman. I was not a fan at first but watched the show 'cuz Bruce was in it and I wanted to know about what happened. Animation is ok but I liked the softer animation on both BTAS and TNBA better. If you take a look at BB it seems as if all shapes are carved in stone. Peoples faces are square the buildings and all. Music is raw techno-rock and made to appeal to a young audience. The plots were often not very good and there was too many new charracters who didn't get developed enough. What a shame.

I totaly agree with the reasons given above .


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[Bird Boy]

But I didn't much care for the B:TAS series. I hated it was always batman, batman, batman. Yes I know, I love Batman, but I liked having Robin and Batgirl get some spotlight 2. I love TNBA cuz of Tim Drake it. I really liked him, and he did get some more spotlight than DG in B:TAS. *dodges the flying vegetables*

-BB

[BWDK]

I don't really consider Batman Beyond as Batman. BB is too weird, too much science fiction elements and now we all know how the Batman saga (with the REAL Batman) ends...Thanks a lot!!!:mad: I never wanted to know it and leave it up to my imagination.

TNBA was just horrible. TNBA was just a kids' show something adults can't enjoy at all (that's the way I feel about it)
In TNBA they put too many changes into a 20 episode season. Tim Drake was annoying and Batman always had to be surrounded by too many sidekicks. The new design was just horrible. They cannot just change the design whenever they want to! It doesn't work. Sometimes I was thinking that there's absolutely no connection between BTAS and TNBA. The stories were horrible as well. Mr. Freeze is not out to kill others he only wanted to kill Boyle, he wanted vengeance and that's it.
And how come Bruce wanted to marry a person he just had know for a few days? He's just not a person who would do that. He selects his girlfriends more carefully. I don't even want to mention what I think about Clayface' return or "Critters". Clayface died in Mudslide and he was gone for good. There is no way to resurrect.

The only good episode was "Mad Love" (no wonder it originally come from a BTAS comic book)

[redDragon]

Originally posted by BWDK
I don't really consider Batman Beyond as Batman. BB is too weird, too much science fiction elements and now we all know how the Batman saga (with the REAL Batman) ends...Thanks a lot!!!:mad: I never wanted to know it and leave it up to my imagination.
Er....BB is just a possible continuation of Batman....and if that's not wot you meant then I blame it all on being dead and the low comprehension level it brings! :D

And how come Bruce wanted to marry a person he just had know for a few days? He's just not a person who would do that. He selects his girlfriends more carefully.
Why she hyponitized him in some really funky way! All the other plant people seemed to have gotten hitched to the other rich people quite fast too..


Since I haven't seen a lot of BB....I don't feel as if I can say which one I think is the worst

[Firefly]

Originally posted by DerekPowers
I CANT BELIEVE WHAT I'M HEARING!!! I had no idea there was such dissatifaction with tnba. I loved it. true btas was way better, but come on, tnba rocked. sure there was critters and love is a croc and a few bad ones, but overall it was great. and the animation was GREAT in some episodes, like "you scratch my back", "The demon within" "growing pains" "holiday knights", "never fear", "the ultimate thrill", "over the edge" and countless others. Seriously, take a second look at some of the animation, it was really great. I agree that selina's short hair wasnt doing it for me, but i liked her in the catwoman outfit. And i LOVED the new penguin so much. i loved his classic re-design and most of all i loved his new persona, the shady nightclub owner, the "pseudo-criminal". I didn't care for joker's new design, because he just look so skinny and weird, mainly because of the animation. in "world's finest" pt 1, he looked great. but in "joker's millions" he didnt look so hot, but not a huge issue. I didnt care too much for scarcrow's new design, but the scarcrow eps were great (never fear, over the edge). and we got Mad Love! I remember watching it with my roommate for the first time. i expected the psychological stuff and harley getting thrown out the window, but i can honestly say my roommate's mouth dropped when she got tossed. he just didnt expect it in a "kiddie" cartoon. so i guess you can tell i loved tnba. but i would have taken a whole riddler ep over farmer brown or calander girl or even the new croc anyday.

Anyway i really cant believe my ears (actually my eyes). but we all like different things i guess. I think btas was by far the greatest out of them all in every way, but then comes tnba. And i love bb, but if you twisted my arm i'd have to say it was the worst of the three. I might have been singing a different tune if the second season wasnt so bad, and if they brought back DEREK POWERS AKA BLIGHT, but what are you going to do? well thats my opinion. peace.

Everything you said and more. I too loved all the Character redesigns especialy the new Robin I always felt he sould be a kid.
the only thing that bugged me was that there was no Riddler episode. They could of given the villians time to grow like:Firefly, Calender Girl etc.

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by BWDK
Mr. Freeze is not out to kill others he only wanted to kill Boyle, he wanted vengeance and that's it.

Compared to their past designs in BTAS, I can't say I liked ANY of them better in their TNBA form, but I still loved TNBA. And Mr. Freeze is an example of that. He didn't want to kill others. He wanted to kill Batman's hope and spirit for living like so many have done to him. To do that, all Freeze needs to do is destroy Gotham. I think, for the most part, the people are close second. Although I don't like the CONSTANT tragedy pushed upon Mr. Freeze, I thought the particular way they handled his character was true to form.



Originally posted by BWDK

And how come Bruce wanted to marry a person he just had know for a few days? He's just not a person who would do that. He selects his girlfriends more carefully.

I wouldn't say Bruce selects his girlfriends carefully at all, unless you count the girls' generic prerequisit of being bimbos. He doesn't want a relationship at all really. And ever since that cowl came into play, finding the real thing was extremely difficult, especially after finding it and losing it with Andrea Beaumont.

That character in Chemistry wasn't real, and neither were Bruce's thoughts and feelings in the entire episode in which it had him under it's spell. It was all fake. Fabricated. Manufactured in a plant lab.

Although that being the case I would have liked Nightwing to play a larger role in it, because that's something that he would obviously realize, and feel he should investigate. Not just to have him at the wedding for the sake of him being there and giving him one (yet one very good) line.

[freakboy86]

I don't think ANY of them were any worse/better than the others. Each show has such a distinct style and feel to it that I personally love each version, albeit for different reasons for each.
B-TAS was the perfect template and a near flawless translation of Batman from comics to the small screen. Never before and never again will they be able to match it. Main POL (Point of Love): dealing with the Bat mythos in excellent ways.
TNBA was a beautiful carry-over of the original. The animation was more fluid and the villains more over the top. Plus the introduction of Tim Drake and Nightwing. OK, I couldn't STAND the new Joker, but hey... Main POL: more tales from the 'darker' aspect of Batman's life and more focus on the villains.
BB, although a tad too 'youthful' for my tastes, is, to me, a wonderful version of the future. Sure, something like 'Kingdom Come' would have been AWESOME but...anyway, it carried an air about it that makes me picture an older Tim Drake as Batman, kicking butt and cracking wise while he does it. And the portrayal of Bruce is FLAWLESS! Main POL: incredible villains and watching Bruce train a new partner yet not being able to always rush to his rescue when the s#@t hits the fan.
So, in my opinion, there's no way to distinguish which version was better than the other. I love them all.


"I am vengence. I am the night. I am Batman!"
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[Shriek]

I don't really like BTAS because the animation wasn't as clear and I could never hear any voices. But the themes and overtures were spectacular.

[killercroc]

Originally posted by Bud 'n Lou

So bald men remind you of women? Hmm...
Anyway, I just wanted you, and everyone else here to know that I take offense to the use of "fruity boy", the affore mentioned statement, and similar statements. I'm surprised no one else spoke up about it. These ARE supposed to be the boards where everyone keeps an open mind and has respect for others, right? I know just about everyone here would be annoyed if someone said something equally derrogatory about blacks or jews.

Wait a minute, didn't I see you call yourself queer a few days ago? I dunno what the PC term for gay people is these days, but I doubt that queer is it! Hey, I'll call you whatever you want to be called, but you shouldn't set yourself up to be offended.

I have a gay uncle and when I was young and didn't know any better, I said some bad things about gays in his presence. I didn't know he was gay, and hadn't gotten past my small town, Baptist predjudices yet. I still feel about the stuff I said.

But honestly, I don't care one way or another whether someone's gay or not. It doesn't offend or impress me. Be gay, be straight, do whatever makes you happy!

BTW did you see South Park last night?

[DR. BELCH]

I just saw Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange last week, and something about it--the thiness, the walking stick, the derby--made me wonder if Malcom McDowall's character influenced ol' Ed Nygma. I apologize for the casual "gay" remark I made...but I still don't care for the new design. The bald head, dark-rimmed eyes, and atrophied frame makes him look sickly, like a terminal cancer patient. Then again, an inoperable brain tumor might explain his eccentric behavior....http://www.contrabandent.com/pez/otn/other/headache.gif
As for B&L's use of the q word--it's the minority double standard of language. Blacks do the same thing with the n word all the time.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

TNBA, probably. I felt that Batman Beyond was sometimes too bland for my tastes, but they had some nice stories here and there. TNBA was, eh, lightweight and spotty. Sure, the violence was sometimes more graphic (Over the Edge, best of the new lot), but overall, it played more like a poor man's Fantastic Four at times, with all the superheroes running around.

I prefer the more cinematic feel of BTAS over both, and the episode pacing and themes were maturely handled.

[killercroc]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
Blacks do the same thing with the n word all the time.

Oh yeah, I listen to rap music. They call themselves that all the time. Hey, its a free country, call yourself what you want.

It's just that a lot of times it seems like people will do something like that just to try to get someone else to use the word or something similar. Then when someone does say it, they get righteously indignant and rake that person over the coals.

I'm not accusing B&L of doing this. I'm just saying it happens.

[NewMaxFranklin]

3. BB
2. BTAS
1. TNBA

I, for one, loved the re-designes, exept the Joker (he needs red lips) and Riddler (he was perfect before.) I really liked Tim and the way they used him on the show. And my top 3 eps are from TNBA (Never Fear, Mad Love and Growing Pains.)

Some of the episodes were lousy. But, the stinker to stunner ratio was not as slanted as BB. Remember, BTAS was uneven as well.

My only major gripe was the lack of Batman on solo missions. I also would have loved new Riddler ep's.

Oh, if Superman was included, I'd rank it above BB too. I just, don't really care for that show.

[James Harvey]

Why haven't I jumped into this conversation earlier? Sheesh! Well -- maybe I did and can't remember...whatever.

Anyways, B:TAS remains my favorite becuase it was starting part for 'mature' animation that wasn't indie or foriegn. I wil admit some episodes were choppy and the animation was 100%, but animation was different 10 years ago than it is now. Like we have that crappy digital coloring now, but that's beside the point. Anyways, The reason why I percieve this show as #1 is becuase of the respect I hold for it. It's just astonishing how different the show was from anything else, and it let you knew that.

In a close second is TNBA. I never considered this a third sereis, but just a continuation of BTAS, taking place a few years after the first. I don't consider these episodes #1 - 245, but 86 - 109. I love how Nightwing is subconsciously following in Batman's footsteps. How Barbara is more accepted and more flushed out. The BTAS Babs was a bit lame, but the TNBA Barb is so much better. The new Robin, while added becuase KWB wanted a kid in there, works perfectly as the ying and Batman's yang. The stories, like B:TAS were a bit uneven but nos eries can have a great episode everytime.

In third is S:TAS. I know this is for the Batman series, but Superman is just better than Batman Beyond becuase STAS never tried to make you think the series was something it wasn't. From the first episode it set itself up to be a fun action series and almost every week it delivered. It had a few crappy episodes, but those were outwayed by the great animation and scripts (LEGACY, APOKOLIPS...NOW!, THE LATE MR. KENT). Plus the Batman/Superman crossover episodes just clicked.

And in 4th, Batman Beyond. As much I like the series, and no matter how likeable the lead two characters are, it just seems like this had more cons than pro. The supporting charactrs weren't fleshe dout. The villians were usually one-note at best, and it had some god-awful issues. I'd go into more detail, but I'll save that sometime for the BB Board.

So, that's my opinion. BTAS barely beats out TNBA. And BB is in a distant fourth behind STAS.

I wonder where JL will stand in all of this -- ?

[killercroc]

Originally posted by DickGrayson



I wonder where JL will stand in all of this -- ?

I'm a little worried about the lack of Paul Dini's influence, but I still think Timm and crew can pull it off and make it a good show. Hopefully this is something that that Kellner guy can't mess up for us. And then hopefully he'll order more episodes.

[James Harvey]

Not to many people realize that Dini starte dout as a write ron BTAS before getting promoted. I'm not worried at all with this sereis. Timm is settin gout to make an action packed series with epic stories, and from the people I've interveiwed and interveiws I've read, they're gonna do that. And do it good.

And just a follow-up to the homosexual/race debate, keep it off the boards. I don't want agurments about that here, and will take action if that does come to pass. Everybody is the same no matter what race, sexual orientation, sex, etc. So just debate this in a private forum -- not here.

[James Harvey]

Guess I killed this thread. :)

[Inque]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
Guess I killed this thread. :)
then let's give it some life!

TNBA is a little better than BTAS because it had a better Clayface design. And you can't go wrong with Batman Beyond cause it has Inque and other cool villians in it, even though they may be one-shot

[mxyzptlk]

tnba

[James Harvey]

I consider TNBA and BTAS to be one show, sorta. I hate comparing the two becuase there's just no comparison. Although I do like the Batman TNBA design better than the BTAS design. Although BB can't compare to Batman. Even the worst episode of Batman are watchable.

[Alexander]

Yes, i know this is a very old post, but i would just like to say this:

BB!!! BB sucked big time for me personally. I'm in love with Babs from TNBA, so BB made me pretty sick. I find the whole concept of BB stupid, cause there are certain things i don't want to know. I don't want to know what Barbara's life will look like in 50 years... Well, perhaps i did want to know it if she and Dick got married at some point. Cause when i see Barbara next to Bruce and think of them having sex, i hear Jeremy Irons/Humbert go: "She was Lola in school, Lo to her Mom, Delores on the dotted lines, but in my arms she was always Lolita... Lolita... Lolita"
(For those of U who don't know, "Lolita" is the story about an older man and a young girl who have a psychopathic sexual relation.)

TNBA for me personally is the best show, because it shows Barbara as a real person more then in any other show or comic. Fresh and Natural, lightyears away from the averige bleached blonde breast implant Hollywood heroine.

Btas was also great because it had TNBA's Barbara in the making.

JLA is in the same catagory as Superman for me, i guess. I've never seen it, but it's good to be back in the normal timeframe where Babs is the 23 year old cutie she is in TNBA.

STAS was better in the 2nd and 3rd season because of Supergirl, Barbara's best friend.

[GL2k2]

I'd have to say without any doubt that Batman Beyond was the worse. I hated the stories on that show. Then when they had episodes that I could have liked with DC folks showing up like Ra's Al Ghul, Freeze, and the Justice League, they messed those up. Also, I don't like the look of Batman Beyond or JL. It looks bleached. This is a poor handling of the artwork to enhance the background which no one really gives an ish about.

If you ask me TNBA is where they excelled. Although I didn't like the Freeze and Riddler redesigns, everyone else looked slicker and ready for action. The stories were on par with the older ones, I mean when Dick/Robin punched Batman in Old Wounds I nearly choked. I couldn't believe they were showing this! On television! On Saturday morning!

[Dark Knight]

I think the name of this thread is just plain difficult to get past. There was no "worst" series of DC animated shows in my opinion. Perhaps we could call it "Least excellent"?

[Alexander]

Originally posted by Dark Knight
I think the name of this thread is just plain difficult to get past. There was no "worst" series of DC animated shows in my opinion. Perhaps we could call it "Least excellent"?

Sorry, but for me personaly there was nothing close to exelent in BB. The only thing i liked was that Batgirl's gloves in the costume display were black instead of yellow. Did anyone else notice this??

But, look on the bright side, BB is at the bottom of worst TV/Movie Batman incarnations ever.

1 Batman & Robin. Dumbest bull i ever saw! Out of place, and out of date. Everything about this movie is wrong.
2 60's TV show. Campy and very annoying! But this version has it's timeframe as excuse. 1960's was a time of camp and weird fruitcakes.
3 1980's Batman & friends. I watched it as a kid and thought that was Batman untill 1989.
4 Batman Beyond. worst incarnation of the Batman animated series ever. But takes place in the animated universe, wich makes it slightly better then the rest. But still, worst version of the animated universe.

[The Penguin]

I think I'll jump in here now. I'm gonna have to vote for Batman Beyond. While the show was fine and I've seen all of them, it just isn't as good as BTAS/TNBA imo.

I liked it when BB had villains and stories that related to the old shows, but otherwise some of that sci-fi stuff was too much for me. I liked Ace the dog, Derek Powers/Blight, Shriek, Inque and the Royal Flush Gang, but most of those freaks of nature just got too out there.

The splicing, Big Time, the possessed Batsuit, "Terry's friend dates a robot," the talking gorilla, :rolleyes: those kind of stories made me just sit there going "WHY?"

[Cassandra]

Yeah, I laughed my butt off at the talking Gorrilla. Then I changed the channel.

But honestly, I didn't hate any of the different series.There were certain things about each one that I hated, but It's hard to put it down on paper and say "yes, this one is definately my favorite"

I LOVED Batman's new costume in TNBA-the black and greys are the coolest of his costumes, comics or cartoons.I loved Robin's new costume as well, but did it make up for "critters"?Hard to say.

I loved the cinematic feel of BTAS- but the animation on some eps was bad enough to ruin a good story-I dunno if I can forgive how they crapped up "The laughing fish"

I loved the charecter Terry-this guy is very cool, and they made him up from scratch. I liked the back and forth between him and Bruce, I liked that he argued with his mentor-but did it make up for the creepy Bruce-Barbara thing, or the retarded high school second season? Again, tough, very tough.

hey look, guess I did rank them after all.

[Golden Age Flash]

I loved all of them, and want them all on DVD, I want more episodes of BTNA, BB, BTAS, STAS, etc... I'm just a big fan, sure Critters was crap, but each series really had a great number of episodes that were really fantastic.

[Wing Zero]

What's with all the TNBA disatisfaction?! :confused: I loved BTAS/TNBA and I also see BTAS and TNBA as one show, like DG. Although I can't say I liked ALL the redesigns, I do, however love all the redesigns for the Bat-team and some villians. Batman's monochramatic suit was great! In TNBA, we saw a darker side to Batman and I LOVED that. Also, the introduction of Nightwing is always good! Batgirl seemed to actually be a lot of help and she felt more "into the team" than in BTAS(well, that's a given) But anyways...I am COMPLETELY off topic lol.

Well I don't think anyone can say BTAS is the worst as it started it all, but my pick would be Batman Beyond. If anything was geared towards kids out of BTAS, TNBA and BB, it was definitely BB. I hated some of the episodes as the villians were sometimes outright moronic and stupid. Another reason was MAX AHHH! I really didn't like her, maybe if they made her a little more serious, I could've started to like her. Now, BB had its share of great eps and Terry wasn't bad as Batman either. I think the supporting cast was kinda weak though. They weren't really developed that much and that kinda left me with a feeling of "eh" when something happened to them. Like when Dana was kidnapped, I watched it just because it was Batman but I really wasn't into the episode either. Anyways, I think BB is my choice.