"Batman: Vengeance" Video Game Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Vengeance is here...

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Batman: Vengeance
Release Dates:
Playstation 2: October 15th, 2001
Gamecube Nintendo: November 27th, 2001
Game Boy Advance: October 30th, 2001
X-Box: December 4th, 2001

Synopsis: Based on the cartoon series rather the comic books or the movies, Batman: Vengeance puts you in the role of the 'Dark Knight' in a 3D Gotham City, in order to face and fight enemies; such as Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, and, yes, The Joker.

The Joker has died after falling from a bridge mid-scuffle with our caped hero. With the big man's place at the top of the criminal hierarchy up for grabs, the city's most heinous villains are out in force, clambering over each other for the new employment opportunity. Batman's most dangerous opponents are causing a crime wave the likes of which Gotham has never seen. Nothing is as it seems. You can't even be sure that the infamous Joker has really ceased to exist. Gotham's safety hangs in the balance and only Batman can save it.

Thoughts?

[demon's head]

Hey all...i was just wondering if anyone was able to pick up "Batman Vengence" yesterday for the PS2...i tried but they said it wasn't coming out until today or tomorrow...does anyone know the correct date of release...

[Bird Boy]

batman vengeance comes out the 15th...that's what IGN says anyway, though, some say it's the 21st.

If you bought Banjo Tooie, you'll remember that it was 3 days apart in some stores...one day TRU had it, next day it was Best Buy,then Circuit City put it out. Unfortunantly, like DVDs, CDs and VHSs, Video Games don't usually get an exact street date.. :(

-BB

[demon's head]

thank ya sir...

[Cyclops]

Speaking of "Vengeance", what's the Game Boy Advance release date?

[Bird Boy]

no release date for the GBA version, but it says on pocket.ign.com (http://pocket.ign.com) this:

"Watch for the batsignal from Batman: Vengence late this year. "

-BB

[demon's head]

so i guess i answered my question by purchasing "vengence" today...
it's not bad...7.5 out of 10...gameplay is somewhat confusing but they have a
tutorial which is part of the game. Batgirl is in it as a commlink...(like oracle)...
and is similar to that of metal gear solid's codex...alot of time in the game is spent
trying to figure what to do next and where to go...if anything it's very similar to
the recent pider-man games....so buy it love it and hopefully they will make more...
next time with nightwing and robin...cheers

[Bird Boy]

IGN gave it a 8.0..at least it ain't a stinker like the last ones have been. Hopefully the gamecube will surpass the PS2 one (I don't like PS2.. :D)...it'll probably be more enjoyable to play as well, because the controller fits in your hand so nicely..

anyway, I'm not going to look at anymore videos or anything until it comes out for GameCube! :)

-BB

[Tim Drake]

I'm glad its finally out. I WILL buy it the day it comes out Gamecube. Its been so long since I've played a good Batman game. The last time was for SNES.....

[Failure]

Same here. I cant wait til it and Gamecube comes out.

[The Mad Hatter]

I'm looking forward to playing it... I've heard that it's not groundbreaking by any means, but still good.

Besides, it'll be good to hear the voice cast again...

[Vigo Sprax]

Huh? Gamestop & Software Etc said it released the 23rd/24th...whats up with that?

Did you get the collectors edition some sites had posted?

[Vigo Sprax]

Ah, nevermind - I checked GameStop.com and it listed a new release date so I went down to Software Etc and they had my copy waiting behind the counter for me (Thanks for calling :rolleyes: ). My copy wasn't a collectors edition, I guess they scratched that idea? Or maybe it was only for people who preordered online in a certain time frame?

I've only played very little so far but what I've seen so far has been mixed. The cutscenes are nice but they seem to be of rather low quality, numerous times I could see artifacts and it would do this kinda skip thing. The sound part of the cutsenes is great though, surround sound is awesome. Gameplay seems solid so far and the graphics aren't too shabby. Its a bit hard balancing brightness/darkness though.

[Bird Boy]

For anyone still wondering, here is the main info you need to know:

Batman:Vengeance is a new Batman video game, out for PS2, coming to GBA, GameCube, and supposedly X-Box(According to IGN [Links Below] it is). It was released on PS2 on the 17th, 18th..or some stores just put it out today. Dates for the other systems are as follows:

GCN-11/27/01
GBA-10/30/01
X-BOX-12/4/01

NOTE: These Dates were taken from GameStop.com (links below). Dates ARE subject to change.

Links below are previews/Reviews for Vengeance on IGN (http://www.ign.com) :

Playstation 2 (PS2)- Review (http://ps2.ign.com/reviews/16274.html)
GameCube (GCN)-Preview (http://cube.ign.com/previews/16827.html) (NOTE: This has been updated with 7 new Quicktime Videos. It will also be updated frequently..remember to check back each day for new updates on it (as of this posting, it is on day 2)
GameBoy Advance (GBA)-Preview (http://pocket.ign.com/previews/16618.html)
X-Box-Preview (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/16549.html)

You can get to the Official Site for Batman:Vengeance by clicking here (http://www.ubisoft.com/batmanvengeance/main.html)

The Game is rated T(EEN) on PS2, GCN, and X-Box, but rated E(VERYONE) on GBA.

You can pre-order this game, in its many formats at GameStop.com (http://www.gamestop.com) via the following links(NOTE: You must have Cookies enabled on your PC to view these):
PS2 Version (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=280181) -$49.99
GCN Version (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=220025) -$49.99
GBA Version (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=160020) -$44.99
X-BOX Version (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=210061) -$49.99
Players Guide (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=831025)(Unknown Players guide, more than likely for PS2's version)-$12.99

That's all the info I've collected so far. For box art, just click on the GameStop.com Pre-Orders and they'll have box art there.

If I found out anything more, I'll let you guys know, via this thread.

-BB

[Nass]

Very informative! Thanks!

[Joe Tully]

The GBA version is only $5 less than the others? That's not quite right. I imagine the price will go down once it's released.

I don't have any of those systems now, but I'm thinking about getting a GBA around Christmas time, so I'm most interested in that version. It's still neat to read about how cool the other ones will be even if I probably won't have a chance to play 'em.

[Mr. Obsession]

WOOHOO!! I picked up Batman Vengeance this afternoon and I'm loving it.

So far my only complaint is the camera angles, they tend to annoy every now and again.

Oh, and considering I've been able to do the single task that none of Batman's villains have been able to do I should probably change my name to "The Man Who Killed Batman". :) I've dropped the poor guy off the Gotham skyline at least 100 times by now. The thing is I'm having so much fun playing the game that when I kill Batman it's "cool I get to try again," rather than the typical me shouting minor obscenities at the screen because the game is frustrating me to no end.



Well I'm off to make some more sidewalk stroganoff... I mean beat the Joker. :D

[The Mad Hatter]

Yeah, I've heard that the game makes the jumps a little more frustrating than they should be.

Still haven't gotten to play it myself, though...

[demon's head]

has anyone who played the game, had a lot of trouble figuring out what to do next...most of the time i have no idea where to go or what to do...but hell it is fun...i haven't played too too much but i beat freeeze today and got to fly around in the batwing

[BWDK]

Is BV for PS2 the exact same game like the gamecube version or will the GC version be a different game?

I wanna know whether I should get a PS2 or GC...

[optimal321]

Originally posted by BWDK
Is BV for PS2 the exact same game like the gamecube version or will the GC version be a different game?

I wanna know whether I should get a PS2 or GC...

Well, rumor has it that the GC version is the same as the PS2, but it has some bonus features. So, it's pretty much up to whether or not you want to wait the extra month for the bonus stuff. I'm waiting just because i like Nintendo better:D

[The Mad Hatter]

If you're already planning on getting a Gamecube, I'd hold off a month and get that version.

But you won't be "robbed" by the PS2 version, by any means.

[BWDK]

I know Mr. J, HQ, Poison Ivy and Mr.Freeze show up...will there be any other villains? I'd like to see Two-Face and the Scarecrow.

BTW...Mr. Freeze AND Poison Ivy?? Reminds me a bit of Batman & Robin, yuck!

[Cyclops]

Shoot. Vengeance is out on GBA after my birthday.

[Bird Boy]

Originally posted by BWDK
I know Mr. J, HQ, Poison Ivy and Mr.Freeze show up...will there be any other villains? I'd like to see Two-Face and the Scarecrow.

BTW...Mr. Freeze AND Poison Ivy?? Reminds me a bit of Batman & Robin, yuck!

Mad Hatter said he, and I quote:

"I had my clock cleaned by Killer Croc @ E3"

-BB

[The Mad Hatter]

Yup, he's there. I'd be willing to bet you get to fight more, though Ivy, Freeze and Joker are the major ones.

[Typhon24]

Hey guys-

I had a quick, specific question. I just started at the Gasworks, with all the green goo at the bottom and all the falling platforms. I can get as far as the big shaft with the green stuff falling into the bottom, and then I'm stuck. Anyone care to give me some advice on what to do? Thanks!

[The Mad Hatter]

Not sure myself, but try www.gamefaqs.com . They may have something that can help.

[Bird Boy]

Cube.IGN.com (http://cube.ign.com) has posted a new invterview w/ the creative team behind Vengeance. It's a good read. Check it out!

-BB

[James Harvey]

Here's some info you may like, Bird_Boy:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=77439&t=9569#post77439

[Bird Boy]

Special Edition of Batman Vengeance...isn't that just like what they do with DVD's? stupid companies..lol

Ah well, I'm buying the GCN version anywho. I don't need those collector cards..

still though...interesting news...

-BB

[James Harvey]

How much is the regular pirce? The special edition is only $49.99

[Bird Boy]

that's the regular price as well..but the SE being only avaible at EB and GS.COM certainly could cause the price to go up (they charged $54.99 for vengeance there).

On another note, Nintendo put up their own Vengeance Page. You can see it by clicking on this link (http://www.nintendo.com/games/gamepage/gamepage_main.jsp?gameId=722&showMe=1)

-BB

[Tim Drake]

What's the difference between Special Edition and regular Batman Vengeace. If its just trading cards then I don't really care that much.

[mosszonedotcom]

In the training level of Batman: Vengeance for Playstation 2, how do you complete the free-fall sequence? Alfred said something about grappling, but I can't find a way to grapple while falling. Each time I try, Batman just falls to the bottom of the waterfall and Alfred says to try again.

Thanks!

[James Harvey]

I think it's just trading cards, different backings, and some concept art. That's it.

[Kitty Pryde]

oh you are such a meanie (i really wanna play this game)
I need it :) , anyway i dont know how to do training because i dont own this game and therefore have no clue .... sorry:)

but here is some advice think like batman that is the only way to be batman

[Russkafin]

I don't know either, I dont have the game (keeping fingers crossed for Christmas, LoL), but I saw a really cool strategy guide for it at Media Play the other day. If you don't have the strategy guide, you might want to see if you can find it, maybe it can help you out.

[comixboy]

I dont know either, but a good gaming site is ign.com maybe they have what your looking for

[Bud 'n Lou]

All you have to do is hold down the button that makes you go faster (I forget which it is), and you speed toward the falling dummy (you have to get really close to it). It grapples automatically after that.

[demon's head]

you have to speed up right when you jump off then you'll see the dummy bag...it took me a while to figure that out too...some of the game gets confusing in spots...like exactly what to do next...

and for anyone who's further in the game...does anyone know where you are supposed to jump to in poison ivy's board...after the spot with the vines in the walls there is the room with the mushrooms you grapple on then jump from mushroom to mushroom but after the second mushroom where or what do you do..? help

[Man of Steel]

Hey:

Before I start giving you guys the review over Batman Vengeance, alot are asking if you see other villians in this game like Two Face, or Scarecrow. Well here is the answer to that question NO you don't see any other villians in the game. The only villians you see in this game are The Joker, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, and Mr. Freeze. How do I know this, well Ive bought the game and have beaten it twice already, and let me say that it isn't easy especally the gasworks level. Now that's out of the way onto my review over the game.

Graphics- The graphics of the game are really well done, especally Gotham City itself. The character models are very well done as well. The bottom line is that a Batman game never looked better.

Control- Controling Batman is kinda strange but you do get used to it but when your free falling controling Batman is very hard to do. Also first person view mode is very hard to use when you have to fight certain bosses, such as aiming the weapon at the weak point. Bottom line is it could of used more tuning.

Sound- The sound is very well done, voice acting is great, we have the same voice actors from the show which is really neat, music is really cool.

Fun Factor- The game is really great for any Bat fan to enjoy, you will be playing this game alot if you really enjoy the cartoon, and the movies.

In closure I think that the game is one of the finest super hero games out in the market today, without spoiling the plot for you guys, just let me say that you do drive the Batmobile and the Batplane and let me say that it is one of the coolest levels of the game, but my most favorite level is when your being chased by the police, that's all I'm going to say to you guys, I don't want to spoil it for you enjoy the game! I just hope they make a another one with different villians.

Have a Nice Day!

Man of Steel

[SMiLEY]

Okay, I have a new question. I'm at the beginning of the second level and I have no idea what to do. There are two of Joker's henchmen, a crane, a bunch of boxes and a couple of trucks. All I can seem to do is throw batarangs at some barrels and make them explode, but that does nothing. I can't get anywhere, this doesn't make sense!

Help!!

[Tim Drake]

Ya know I figured those people were the only villains. Mad Hatter said that Killer Croc was in the game. But I think he probably confused the plant guys with Killer Croc.

[The Mad Hatter]

Nope, it wasn't the plant guys... I've seen the model for them, and the one I fought looked completely different. In fact, I'm pretty sure it WAS Croc, the sequence was set up like a boss fight. My guess is that he was in there, but didn't make the cut... these things happen all the time, as Vengeance was very much a work in progress at that time.

Anyway, the fight was on a subway car, and he spat acid. If it turns out he was somebody else, let me know. I haven't yet played the final version, because I just found out that my column has been cancelled and now I can't pester Ubi Soft for a copy. Dammit.

[Man of Steel]

Hey:

The characters you fought on the subway do look like Killer Croc but they are plants made by Poison Ivy.

Have a Nice Day!

Man of Steel

[The Mad Hatter]

Huh. I stand corrected, then. :)

[Tim Drake]

Yeah I believe they are from the episode Chemistry.

[Shriek]

Those plants were pretty wicked. Are they hard to beat in the game?

[Cyclops]

I think the title says it all. But I thought you'd all like to Know this. I picked it up last night (Halloween) when I went with my parents to drop off my sister at friends house to go Trick-or-Treating. I'd've stayed home, but I had to get that game. P.S. I think these new boards are cool.

[Joe Tully]

How is the game? Is it pretty good? I've been wondering if they'd be able to make a 2D version for GBA as good as the others.

[Tim Drake]

About how many hours did it take to beat the game?? I'm kinda hesitant about buying a game that only takes 10 hours to beat. I bought Spiderman 64 and beat it in 3 days. It was a little to quick for 50 bucks.

[Cyclops]

Here's my review for Vengeance on Game Boy Advance on a scale of 1-10.
Sound:10
Game-play graphics:10
Cutscenes:9 (seeing the characters in 3-D is odd)
Music:10
Game-play:9.5 (should've been more weapons)
Sound:10 (really liked hearing Harley's sing)
Plot:9 (would've been 10 but I fit the dialouge into this too, and some of the stuff Batman said didn't seem like stuff he'd say)
3-D cinematics:10 (looked odd, but was still cool)

All in all a good game. The only dialogue you get to hear is Batman's grunts, Mr. Freeze yelling, Harlry's grunts, A song sung by Harley, and two versions of the Joker's laugh. Was there more dialogue in the PS2 version, or was that it? The best levels are when you fight Freeze, when you fight Harley, and when you blow up th Joker's airship. If you have any questions, just ask me I've already beaten it.

[Joe Tully]

Well, since you've already finished it: Do you think that it was too easy? And do you think that it has high replay value? Are you going to play this game even though you've won it, and if so, how much?

[Hawk Wing]

I haven't bought it yet and probably wont until next month but i was curious as to how it turned out. Was it good, bad? Ive seen the reviews and from what ive read its a great game.

[The Mad Hatter]

I _STILL_ haven't gotten a chance to play it yet (argh!), but everyone seems to agree that it's a good game. Maybe not a complete A-list classic, but it's something that won't dissapoint most Bat-fans.

[mosszonedotcom]

I love it! I've heard of some people that don't like it, but they're probably not fans like me and you. It's my favorite game ever along with Madden 2001.

It does a great job of capturing the greatness of Batman: The Animated Series.

[mosszonedotcom]

Smiley,

You have to get in between the truck and another object (maybe another truck). Then, lean next the wall of the truck and slide through.

To do that, I believe that you press the triangle button. It's the same move that Batman does when he's avoiding the laser detectors in the training sequence.

[Clayface]

I love it. Some of the gameplay can be confusing/frustrating at time (its often not clear what you're supposed to do next or where to go), but if your'e a Bat-fan, the atmosphere and cinemas will more than make up for it.

[Beyond Batman]

It's out already? When was it released?

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Beyond Batman
It's out already? When was it released?

It's been out for a couple of weeks!

[Tim Drake]

My question is how good is the replay value?? I bought Spiderman beat it in a day. Beat again a week later and never played it again. It was a great game but not worth 50 dollars for 2 days of gameplay. Is Batman Vengeance actually somewhat challenging. I want a game that'll last a month or so.

[Clayface]

Well, I haven't beat it yet, so I can't tell you really well, but I can tell you what I do know.

First of all, I find it challenging - I'm still trying to beat my first encounter with the Joker at this point (pretty early in the game). Also, apparently, at the end of each level, you're awarded points. Get all the points in the level/game, and you open up some special cheats. I'm definitely planning on going back and playing it again when I'm done to try and get all the points.

[Cyclops]

The Game Boy Advance version is pretty good, but I beat it in 3 days, but all in all a good game.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Batman
The Game Boy Advance version is pretty good, but I beat it in 3 days, but all in all a good game.

Have you played the PS2 version? I was wondering how similar/different the two are. I was thinking of picking up the GBA version, but was curious what the gameplay was like, since they obviously can't do teh same thing they did on the PS2.

[Batman 80]

The PS2 version is the best Batman animated game ever. I just got it today and its pretty tough. I'm stuck in Mr. Freezes level.

[Poison Carley]

I think I am at the very end. Episode 4. Like I have just defeated Ivy and am now investigating someone using Joker's MO at the plant thing. I am at a part where I am stuck. I need to find the 3rd wheel to turn off the water. The game really rocks. I just wish Ivy was in it more. :p

[Batman 80]

How do you jump from Giant Mushroom to Mushroom in episode 4?

[MatchesMalone]

JUST AN FYI...


This game is also being released for Nintendo's upcoming Gamecube system. I don't have a PS2 yet (too pricey at present) but will probably buy a Gamecube.

The Gamecube version should be out before Christmas and should be virtually identical to the PS2 version. I can't wait!! I'm jealous of all of you that have already played it.

[Tim Drake]

Actually its supposed to be better. Better graphics higher framerate and I'm sure the controller is better too.

[The Mad Hatter]

There are also a few other gameplay additions that escape my mind at the moment, but I reported 'em (via IGN.com) on the newspage a while back. Just a few changes, mind you.

[finster]

Gamespot is reporting that Vengeance will be available for Gamecube launch.

[MatchesMalone]

Very cool...I heard it would be out before Christmas but "at launch" is even better. I really hope they address the control issues that some are complaining about on the PS2 version.

[Tim Drake]

So the date has been moved up to Nov. 18th?? At the Gamecube launch? When I last checked the release date was supposed to Nov 28th or something like that....

[Bird Boy]

gosh darnit..it's not surprising...gut gosh darnit none the less...had I known these 2 (Tony Hawk 3 and Vengeance) were gonna be at launch, I definitely would've started to save earlier!

-BB

[Failure]

So how much is the Gamecube supposed to be priced at when released? So far I've only seen it for $300-400 but I think they were packages with games included.

[Bird Boy]

$199..but everybody insists on package deals so the price is shot up to $399.99...which still isn't bad...you get 3 games...cube...memory card, controller...6 issues of EGM...(all depends on the bundles though)...

Places like Wal Mart will be selling Cube by itself I think...

-BB

[Tim Drake]

Yeah it will also be available at Toysrus and kay bee toys as the system only. 199 dollars. Batman Vengeance is supposed to be 49.99. Plus I'll need a memory card.......


Sheesh that's a lot of money!!!

[SSNTails]

Bah. I wish they'd make Batman: Vengeance for the PC, too. I'm not going to buy a console for one or two games I want to play on it.

[Tim Drake]

Dude there' so many good games that will be coming to Gamecube that you won't be able to play on PC. Have you ever heard of a little game called Super Smash Brothers??? I liked Counter Strike all those type of PC Games but Smash Brothers has a replay value like no other game.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Is this game on PlayStation? (I already know it's on PS2)

[Clayface]

Originally posted by JusticeLeagueLegion
Is this game on PlayStation? (I already know it's on PS2)

Nope, only PS2, GameCube, Gameboy Advance, and Xbox. The PS's days are numbered - there's nothing much of anything coming out for it anymore.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Darn! That's it! I'm getting a PS2!!

[The Mad Hatter]

You don't have to buy the console... I'm sure there will be places you can rent a Gamecube for a few days to get through Vengeance.

I've been amazed at how Nintendo's launch line-up has grown... at first it was going to be six games, but we're now up to twelve or so! Not a bad number...

[SSNTails]

Yeah, they need to release Smash Bros. for the PC, too. It's not like a PC can't hack it (Xbox is basically a PC, and ATI does the graphics for GameCube).

And renting is a little difficult, because I like to take my time. :)

Like right now, I'm borrowing a friend's DC to finish a couple games at my leisure. You're not pressed to blow through something like during a rental.

[Beyond Batman]

Okay, I don't have a PS2. But I've been considering buying one because of the Batman Vengence game (silly I know, but I think I'll really like that game). Now that the game is being launched on the Gamecube, I'm not sure which system I should buy. I'd definitly buy other games, but my biggest reason for getting one of those consoles is so I can have Batman Vengence. Also, is there any difference between the PS2 or Gamecubes version of Batman Vengence, or is it pretty much the same thing? What would you guys suggest. Overall, which system do you think I'd get the most bang for my buck? Your suggestions may be my deciding factor. Thanks.

[Bird Boy]

I think there is a new gadget or somthing in the GCN version...

as for which console to buy..:

Do you have a DVD player? If so, then wait for the GameCube, because it's a $100 cheaper than a PS2.

Also, the GameCube version has "cleaner" looking graphics than the PS2 version...

-BB

[Tim Drake]

The graphics in the Gamecube version are signficantly cleaner and defined. Also the Gamecube version of Batman runs at a whopping 60 frames for second which guarantees that Batman and the entire game will run much more fluidly. The load time will also be about twice as fast on the Gamecube. The Gamecube itself is a hundred dollars cheaper than PS2 but its not a dvd player. I'm waiting for Gamecube it will be out the day after Justice League comes out. Plus there's another Batman game coming out for Gamecube this year. And Gamecube has the best fighting game of all time: Super Smash Brothers!!!


Ok: Sorry shameless promotion of Gamecube I guess playstation has some good features too.

[Bird Boy]

I don't mind shameless promotion of gamecube....I love gamecube..shamless promotion all the way! :D

-BB

[Clayface]

I think most of the important topics have been mentioned. It really depends on what you want out of your system. The Gamecube is cheaper, and the Batman game will be a little bit improved over the PS2 version. But, the PS2 plays CDs and DVDs.

If I were you, I'd check out what other games are out there that you might be interested in before you make your decision. With the PS2, you can play not only PS2 games, but the older PS games - this give the PS2 the largest software library of any of the consoles, and also makes it easier to build your library if you're tight on money - you can always find the PS1 games cheaper, so you can go back and play many of the classics that you may never have played before. Also, the PS/PS2 has much more third party support than the Gamecube at this point. If you're happy with the Nintendo type of games, this wont' make a difference to you, but if you want mroe variety, IMO, the PS2 is better.

[The Mad Hatter]

Yes, the PS2 has more third party support right now, though the Gamecube is gaining support rapidly. Not to mention that, as far as software goes, Nintendo is the most consistently excellent company out there. Still, Clayface is right... you'll need to do some research into the games, and see which system has more that appeals to you.

Though I really, really wouldn't buy a game system if all you're after is Batman: Vengeance... you can always rent the system and the game over the weekend and beat it.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
Yes, the PS2 has more third party support right now, though the Gamecube is gaining support rapidly.



True, but even if they gain a lot of support, their library won't grow to the size of the PS1/PS2's anytime soon.




Not to mention that, as far as software goes, Nintendo is the most consistently excellent company out there.



Well, that's rather subjective. Personally, I don't care for a majority of the software Nintendo produces.




Though I really, really wouldn't buy a game system if all you're after is Batman: Vengeance... you can always rent the system and the game over the weekend and beat it.


Now this is an excellent point. If all you're really interested in is this game and have no interest in anything else, just rent a system from a local store and beat it that way. I couldn't agree more.

[Beyond Batman]

What I'm really looking for in a system is utility. Here is what I like:

I'm a big RPG fan. Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, etc. I'm also a big fighting fan like Tekken, DOA2, etc. But I'd say I'm more into RPG's than anything. Batman Vengence is a big reason for me to buy a system, but no doubt I will buy other games for it too. My concern is, which system is more technolgically up to date, has more potential for better games, and of course at what costs.

I own a PS1 currently and have been a dedicated user of the PS1. I never bothered to buy the N64 cuz the graphics, games, and utility (cd player) just wasn't there. It also seemed like all the games were geared towards little kids (sorry to put down the system N64 fans, I just didn't like it).

I've been sitting on my hands to see how the Gamecube and Xbox will do, that's why I didn't rush into buying a PS2 so quickly.

PS2 is $100 more, is a DVD player, a CD player, and can play the existing games for the PS1 I already have.

But so far, it sounds like the Gamecube is leading the race. It's least costly, sounds like the graphics may be better, possibly faster loading time, and they'll also be having another Batman game for the system. BTW, are you sure the Gamecube is gonna be better graphically than the PS2, even if it's by a little bit? Will the Gamecube also offer the sound quality PS2 has? Is that something you guys can confirm? For you PS2 fans, why should I choose the PS2 over the Gamecube?

You're opinions and comments are helping me out big time. More comments are gladly welcome. :D

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Beyond Batman
I'm a big RPG fan. Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, etc. I'm also a big fighting fan like Tekken, DOA2, etc. But I'd say I'm more into RPG's than anything. Batman Vengence is a big reason for me to buy a system, but no doubt I will buy other games for it too. My concern is, which system is more technolgically up to date, has more potential for better games, and of course at what costs.



Well, see, that's why this whole console war is so interesting - there's really not one system that beats all the others in all categories. Each beats the others in one aspect or another. You're gonna have to figure out which is most important to you and go from there.

As far as RPGs go, I'm also a big fan of them. And, frankly, both systems have some great ones. But, as you probably know, you can't get FF on a Nintendo system, and for me, FF is the tops.




I own a PS1 currently and have been a dedicated user of the PS1. I never bothered to buy the N64 cuz the graphics, games, and utility (cd player) just wasn't there. It also seemed like all the games were geared towards little kids (sorry to put down the system N64 fans, I just didn't like it).



This is how I was as well. There just haven't been enough games for the Nintendo systems to pull me into it. The Gamecube is appealing to me, and maybe down the line after more games come out for it, I'll find enough to want to buy that system, but so far, of what I've seen offered, there are only one or two games I want.




PS2 is $100 more, is a DVD player, a CD player, and can play the existing games for the PS1 I already have.



These were the deciding factors for me. I have a rather significant library on the PS1, and the fact that I could upgrade my system while still playing the older games made a huge difference for me. Also, I had DVD-Rom drive in my computer, and thus had started purchasing DVDs already. But I was getting tired of watching them at my computer desk. The fact that the PS2 could let me play DVDs on my TV as well as video games was very appealing to me, and I use my PS2 as a DVD player as much, if not more than I use it for my games. The PS2 is very much more a multi-tasking machine than the Gamecube, and that's important to me.




But so far, it sounds like the Gamecube is leading the race. It's least costly, sounds like the graphics may be better, possibly faster loading time, and they'll also be having another Batman game for the system. BTW, are you sure the Gamecube is gonna be better graphically than the PS2, even if it's by a little bit?



Couple of things to keep in mind about all this: Gamecube is least costly, but you don't get as many features as you do on the PS2 (DVD playback, CDs, etc).

Personally, I've never had any problems with load times on any system - load times have never been an issue for me. I don't know how important that is to you, but I can tell you that the load times on the Batman game for the PS2 are faster than any load times for any of the old PS1 games. How fast do you really need things to load? Also, thanks to the new hard drive coming out for the PS2, load times will be reduced again, if this is an important issue to you.

Yes, another Batman game is already scheduled for the Gamecube - but this doesn't mean it won't eventualy come to the PS2 as well. And it also doesn't mean that more Batman games won't come out on the PS2 - especially with the popularity of Batman Vengeance in the fan community.

As far as "better" graphics, I believe that the Gamecube is more powerful in this area, but I may be wrong - don't now enough about the specs to answer that.




Will the Gamecube also offer the sound quality PS2 has? Is that something you guys can confirm?



Can't answer that one for ya - again, don't know enough about the GC specs, but I imagine that it should offer up similar quality.



For you PS2 fans, why should I choose the PS2 over the Gamecube?



Well, like I said, its gonna come down to your own personal call on it. I mentioned above some of the reasons I bought one. These were important issues for me, but may not be for you.

[MatchesMalone]

Beyond Batman,

I have a solution...buy both.

Just kidding, however, it is a tough choice to make. Many like to consider Nintendo machines as being "for kids." I couldn't agree less. Sure Nintendo does games for kids (and kids of all ages) better than anyone but also is taking steps to bring in more "hardcore" gamers to the Nintendo camp.

I noticed that you listed Resident Evil as one of your favorites. Nintendo has just signed a deal with Capcom for all Resident Evil games to appear on Gamecube exclusively. This will upset a great many PS2 owners who were waiting patiently for RE 4. Now, it's a Gamecube exclusive! Not to mention the fact that Capcom is working on a remake of Resident Evil 1 (exclusive to Gamecube) with the most impresive graphics for this type of game that I've ever seen. They almost look like shots right out of a good zombie horror flick...honestly. I was blown away! Capcom has also stated that they wanted Resident Evil fans to be able to enjoy the entire series on one system without having to own multiple systems to play the different REs. This means that Capcom is releasing Gamecube versions of ALL past RE games for Gamecube and Gamecube only. In one "fell swoop," Gamecube has become the only place to play new Resident Evil games...and FANTASTIC updates of past ones. This fact alone should give Gamecube quite a bit of "hardcore gamer" clout in the months to come.

I'll probably buy both a Gamecube and PS2 eventually...but I'm starting with Gamecube and waiting for the price of the PS2 to drop. I'm pretty sure that it will soon after Christmas...with Nintendo's system at $100 less and the Xbox at the same price with much technologically superior hardware. They would be fools not to drop the price of the PS2 soon. Here's hoping anyway...

[Hawk Wing]

Thanks for all the replies, i heard that the replay value isn't very good but since were all Bat fans you know we'll be playing it over and over. My dad is buying it for me on monday, can't wait!:0

[The Mad Hatter]

Matches and Clayface both brough up excellent points... the only real way to make sure you can play 99% of the great games out there is to buy both, but I know that isn't feasable for everyone.

As far as the machines themselves go... the PS2 has DVD playback capability and the ability to play all of the PS's lineup, though the Gamecube has significantly better hardware specs and is $100 cheaper. Really, I think the deciding factor is which games appeal to you.

Yes, the Resident Evil franchise is now a Gamecube exclusive, and the re-make of RE1 looks friggin' awesome. Though the PS2 has Devil May Cry, which was made by the same production staff as RE, and in fact plays like RE on amphetamines. I'm personally engrossed in that right now, it's truly great. Another point... have you heard of Eternal Darkness? It's a Nintendo horror game that seems a lot like RE, only it has a "sanity meter." If you can't keep up your sanity, you start having wild hallucinations. It's shaping up to be absolutely awesome.

As for RPGs... Sony has been the traditional leader in this catagory, and the PS2 will give you access to all of the PS's great RPGs. But, currently, the PS2 has only one RPG (Okage: Shadow King, and it's only okay), and the only one that will come out in the near future is FFX. Combine that with the fact that Nintendo is gaining support like crazy, and you get a big fat question mark for the future. Maybe Sony will stay on top in that category, maybe Nintendo will catch up. We'll just have to see.

Wow, that wasn't helpful at all, huh?

[The Mad Hatter]

Well, JLL, don't forget that it'll be out for the Gamecube in 8 days!

So which version should you get? See the other thread here for all the hashin' out. :)

[Poison Carley]

The Playstation 1 still has games made for it? Why?

[The Mad Hatter]

'cuz they sell.

Hey, there's a ton of Playstations out there, and as long as people keep them fired up, they'll keep making games for them. But my guess will be that they'll peter out in less than a year.

[Clayface]

I just wanted to point out that all these "exclusives" aren't really that exclusive. Most of the time, by "exclusive" the company means that this title will be released first on that system, and stay exclusive to it for, say, a year. Then, a year later, it can come out on other systems. If I'm not mistaken, Resident Evil Code Veronica was a DC "exclusive" - but of course, it eventually came out on the PS2. Being a big fan of the RE series, I was very dissapointed to hear that the series was taken over to the Gamecube, but the fact is, we'll probably get RE4 after a while on the PS2 - we just won't be the first to get to play it.

[MatchesMalone]

Clayface,

Hope you are right...however, from what I've read, the Resident Evil series is truly exclusive to Gamecube alone for the next few years at least. It seems Nintendo forked over quite a bit of $$$ to make it so. They have secured the rights to the degree that no other Resident Evil games of any kind will show up on other systems for quite some time...at least for the foreseeable future.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Clayface,

Hope you are right...however, from what I've read, the Resident Evil series is truly exclusive to Gamecube alone for the next few years at least.

Correct, because they're going to stretch out the re-releases of the older RE games over the next few years. Its my understanding that RE4 won't be out for quite a while - sometime after all the re-releases. So you figure you've got the re-releases and then finally RE4 released on the GC over a number of years to optimize the income from each release, then, probably a year or so for RE4 to remain exclusive to GC. After that, it should show up for other systems.

[MatchesMalone]

BTW - I'm not trying to rag on PS2 or PS2 fans...I love the PS2 and can't wait to get one. There are so many awesome games that are PS2 exclusives.

I was going to get a PS2 before Gamecube until I heard that Batman Vengeance would be better on Gamecube. Then the whole Resident Evil thing pushed me over the top. Also, Star Wars: Rogue Leader is a Gamecube exclusive...it's seems like Nintendo's exclusives really seem to stick and not show up on other systems. Especially the Lucasarts games.

Nintendo has won me over for now...but I'll grab a PS2 the second the price drops on the system. Xbox is a whole other ball of wax...I'm adopting a "wait and see" attitude with that one.

[Beyond Batman]

So MatchesMalone, are you going to buy the Gamecube when it's first released? Or are you gonna wait for the Xbox to come out and then make your final decision?

[MatchesMalone]

I'm going to pick up the Gamecube the day it's released...and Batman:V the day it's released. I've been doing fine with my Dreamcast but am finally letting it die a peaceful death and am moving on to new systems.

The Xbox doesn't have anything coming out for it that I just HAVE to have yet. I'm not even considering it until it's been out for at least a year...kind of the approach I took with PS2. I'll pick up a Gamecube when it's released and then hopefully a PS2 this coming spring sometime. The main reason I want the PS2 is for Virtua Fighter 4. I was looking forward to this on Dreamcast but to no avail. It's coming to PS2 first and might be an exclusive. Plus PS2 has Metal Gear Solid 2, Devil May Cry, Tekken 4, and many others that just might be PS2 exclusives. Plus, PS2 has such a following that it will probably have the largest list of "must have" games when all is said and done over the next few years. That said, Nintendo ALWAYS has many "in house" games that CAN'T be found on any other system and are always A-list games all the way.

It's too bad video game systems aren't more standardized like DVD players and what-not. Then we would only have to worry about what games were worth buying or not and not entire systems. It sucks having all your eggs in one basket and then having your favorite system lag behind or go "belly up" as the Dreamcast did.

You really can't go wrong with the Gamecube...one concern, though, it doesn't have the disc capacity that the other DVD systems have. The small Nintendo disks store plenty for now but may be a hinderance to Nintendo in the future as games get bigger and more complex. They are using DVD technology but on small discs so they hold about a Gig and a half as opposed to about 6 gigs (I think) on a standard DVD disc.

At any rate, right now, I'm most excited about the Gamecube. Can't wait!

[Tim Drake]

I don't think it will really matter that much because they can always had games that are 2 or 3 discs. Discs are not like catridges they are unbelievebly cheap. Still I agree that making smaller discs seemed kinda silly.

[The Mad Hatter]

He's right, I wouldn't worry about storage capacity. With the N64, the capacity there was a dead-end, because it's impossible to swap cartridges in the middle of a game. With disk systems, it's a snap to swap them... not to mention that since disks cost less than a dollar each to press, having multiple disks won't affect the price. So there's no need to fret about storage space.

As to exclusive games... I think that "exclusive" games are becoming the exception and not the norm. I'd say that the vast majority of third-party games will go to multiple systems instead of staying at one. Even Metal Gear Solid will be going to the Xbox and (maybe) the Gamecube soon. Of course, there will be a few deals like the Resident Evil thing, which will give the Gamecube Resident Evil Zero in less than a year, then RE 4. I have no idea how long it'll last... probably over a year, maybe longer. But the PS2 gets Devil May Cry... oooooh yeah!

But for the most part, it'll be first-party games that make the difference... and most people tend to agree that, overall, Nintendo makes the best ones. Still, Sony's released some good ones lately, like Ico. Microsoft hasn't really got anything that looks like an innovative "must have"... Halo is looking good, but that's about it.

[Bruce Wayne]

Well, to give you an overview on my progression, I've gotten up to the air plane part, but what botherd me is that before, on Gotham Bridge, there was this item on a box that i couldnt get. Anyone know how? It bothers the hell out of me...

[The Mad Hatter]

Dunno offhand, but you can always try www.gamefaqs.com . They're a good source.

[Bruce Wayne]

Thanks, Im already checking their message board. The walkthrough there didnt give me much help... ;_;

[Bruce Wayne]

Nevermind, I got it. It's hard, but I finally got it... Thanks anyways

[Stinky Cat]

i just bought it! plus i felt like replying to the oldest topic.....

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by Stinky Cat
i just bought it! plus i felt like replying to the oldest topic.....
The oldest topic? No way, unless the TZ guys and gals decided to delete all the old ones. I just wish that the old boards didn't end up getting deleted. There were some good discussions there.

On topic now: How is Batman Vengence? I was thinking about getting a PS2 solely to play that game.

[Bird Boy]

Originally posted by bloodone

The oldest topic? No way, unless the TZ guys and gals decided to delete all the old ones. I just wish that the old boards didn't end up getting deleted. There were some good discussions there.

On topic now: How is Batman Vengence? I was thinking about getting a PS2 solely to play that game.

if you're just getting PS2 to get the game..try just getting a GameCube (unless other PS2 games appeal to you/you need a DVD player) as a GC costs $100 less.. :)

-BB

[Stinky Cat]

this was the oldest STILL UP topic...

[The Mad Hatter]

Once again, I'd have to warn against people buying a system just to play Batman: Vengeance... while it's certainly a darn good game, it's not good enough to warrant the $200/$300 clams for an entire system. Me, I'd rent a system and the game, and play the crap out of it then.

Haven't played the GBA B:V, but I've heard that it's more or less the console B:V in 2D form, and is pretty good.

[Karkull]

I'm sure as hell not going to buy a PS2 system, but I've been considering getting a Game Boy Advance. And getting Batman: Vengeance would certainly help me buy it sooner rather than later.

[Samhaine]

Well, there have been other things prompting me, such as FF7 and FF9 & 10 (my hallmate has been playing 7 & 9, which prompted me to play the old Nintendo Dragon Warrior, but off topic here....) and also the new Dragon Warrior 7 and DW4 rerelease, etc...

I don't really need the DVD player, I'm getting one for Christmas, but I've been really considering buy a system lately.

[Cyclops]

I'm not sure if the game's like the PS2 or Gamecube versions ( by the way are these two identical), since I don't have either system (though I may get a Gamecube).
But if anyone wants, I can post a detailed synopsis of the Game Boy Advance version.

One last thing, are all the cutscenes ( on PS2 and Gamecube ) full motion 3-D cinematics with actual dialogue? On Game Boy Advance there are 2, but with dialouge.

[Bird Boy]

the XBOX, PS2 and GCN versions are ALL THE SAME....and yeah, all the cut sceenes have dialogue...the GBA version probably doesn't because there is only so much you can fit on a 2 1/2in cartridge...

-BB

[The Mad Hatter]

Mmmm, Dragon Warrior.... I was a big DW nut back when the series was on the NES, and I'm really looking forward to playing #7. It's been far too long since I've fought those smiling slimes. I'm still heartbroken that 5 and 6 didn't come out for the SNES, but oh well.

Still, I don't think DW7 is selling well at all... Best Buy is clogged with them. Maybe it's because the cover art is crap... yech.

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
Still, I don't think DW7 is selling well at all... Best Buy is clogged with them. Maybe it's because the cover art is crap... yech.
According to their website, DW7 is the best-selling game in Japan. They say it beat out FF. They like the DW games in Japan. Here, people need all kinds of flash and pizaz, they don't like fun games that don't go overboard on animation stuffs.

Right now they're retooling DW4 to put on PSX. Maybe, if we're lucky, we get 5 & 6 the same way? They rereleased 1, 2, & 3 on GBC last year, so anythings possible.

I just replayed DW, and wow was that a trip. Classic, old school RPG. I started playing DW2, and can't wait to get to DW7. I love these games.

[Bruce Wayne]

Help mee!!!!!!! I just got up to the Final showdown with Freeze. I've been firing remote charges at the tubes, but they're not making the tubes go down! Is it timed or something? HELP!

[Bird Boy]

after you fire the remote charges, batman will hold a button..press the button when freeze is under the tube w/ the charge, press A (or whatever button it is to fire a weapon) and the thing will drop down onto freeze..repeat until beaten..

-BB

[Bruce Wayne]

Thanks.. ill try that later... good thing he moves slow, so he cant run out of the way.

[BatKid]

Well, tomorrow I gotta return my Batman:Vengeance at Blockbuster and I wanna know if I should just get it or rent it again. I haven't had much time playing it because of school. I've only played it for about 4-6 hours. Right now, I'm up to the level called "Fools Grave".

I love the game so far, especiall since I'm a BIG BATMAN FAN FOR YEARS. I love the cutscenes. Graphics are cool and i think the batmobile and batwing levels could've had more weapons and more controls. So far, there's some things I don't like. For one, the controls for batman's movement isn't that good. Also, batman's moves aren't that good either. Some of the cutscenes are either not that good or it's not really needed at all. The last thing is, on the levels, they become from a "6 yr. old can beat it" easy....to "this is so impossible to beat" hard. i don't like games that do that, because for one thing, it gets repititive.

Also, from where I'm at right now from playing 4-6 hours, am I close to beating it and does it have replay value?

Now, with these things in mind about the pros and cons i think of the game mentioned above, should I get this game?

[ZorBrak]

If you are a big bat fan then yeah it almost like a interactive DTV in a way, the plot is cool, and the gameplay is pretty good, its not without its flaws but yeah, its good

[Supermon]

Well I collect most things Batman animated so for me I appreciate having this game in my collection. As far as games go i thought it was a very cool game, but like you said it could go from super easy to super difficult from one scene to the next, which i found frustrating at times. Taking that into consideration I don't think it has much replay value once you beat it, which won't take you much longer.

[Bird Boy]

there's only 1 more level after Fools Grave (Which I'm stuck on..well, not stuck, I just got bored w/ the level and shut it off. Thing is, you have to play that level all the way through..it doesn't have any save points).

Being a batman fan, I bought it, because I know there will be replay value in it for me. I know I'll be popping it in just to beat Mr. Freeze, or fight the Joker.

-BB

[Clayface]

There is some replay value to it - there's trying to get all the point on each level, and trying to find the envelopes.

[The Mad Hatter]

Okay, I FINALLY played the darn thing... I was waiting for the GC version, but none of my video stores got it for rent. So, I finally gave in and got the PS2 version.

I enjoyed it, though it did have its flaws. The controls were a little awkward, and the jumping puzzles were more of a pain than they should have been. Also, what was up with the sound effects? The Batplane/mobile sounded like it was packing a peashooter! And that grappling gun's click was weak. Why couldn't they have raided the WB's sound effects vaults?

But there were good points as well... the graphics were fine, and the music was spot on. Grappling was fun (aside from the sound effects), and call me a sadist, but I loved being able to handcuff thugs after I knocked them down. And the voice actors! Directed by Andrea R! Droooool.

Me, I had to return it by the time I got to the gasworks level of "Fool's Grave": I died too many times, and replaying that huge level over and over got tiresome. I enjoyed it, but I probably won't buy it, at least till I can pick it up for $10 or so.

"Less wench, more hench!" Hee hee hee...

[Beyond Batman]

I like this game very much. Having the orginal voicecast was an awesome touch and a lot of the movements were displayed very well. The cape was done very nicely. The fighting was portrayed better than I expected.

Zorbrack is right, it's like having your own interactive DTV. You get a pretty cool story out of the game.

Things they can improve on. I didn't like the loading scenes, they got kind of repetitive and tiresome. It seemed to slow down the gameplay. Another thing, I didn't like how the bat grapple was only restricted to highlighted areas. It would've been nice to use that piece of equipment freely. Lastly, the sound effects of the bat grapple and throwing the batarangs.... those sound effects could've used a little more "umph!"

Overall, I liked the game very much. It's fun, challenging, and a great translation of the animated series. I'd say it's worth buying. Especially if your a Bat fan. This is the first installment of that kind of a Batman game. Who knows, maybe we'll see another Batman game in the future, with more improvements.

[Tim Drake]

I'm supposed to get it for Christmas. I normally breeze through video games. But it won't bother me if the game is short. I want the game for the cutscenes primarily.

[Bird Boy]

I don't wanna sound like a Nintendo Fanboy, but I haven't expierienced any of the sound/load problems on the GCN version....maybe they fixed it some for the GCN version....?

I dunno..heh.

The last Mr. Freeze cutscene is the BEST..ahh..I need to go watch it again..

-BB

[The Mad Hatter]

You mean the one where Mr. Freeze is defeated? Oh yeah, that was excellent!

Comparing load times on various games is often a matter of apples and oranges, but I've noted much less load times on the Gamecube than on the PS2 in general...

[The Penguin]

I'm trying to decide which nextgen system to buy and one thing that might help me is if Batman Vengeance is better on one system or the other (Gamecube and PS2).

I've read on some sites (like gamespot) that the Gamecube version is a little better with minor things, but I was wondering if someone out there has played the game on both and has any thoughts.

[finster]

It depends on which system is the best fit for you. I already have a DVD player, so that played a part in my decision to get the Cube.
Vengeance, by the way, is just great. I'm hoping that sales are strong enough for Ubisoft to want to do a sequel. They left out so many major villains, including the Penguin. I'd love to chase his waddling arse through the Iceberg Lounge.

[Bird Boy]

or XBOX....it is coming to XBOX...

But, all versions are identicle, aside from a few shape ups (I don't think GC's takes as long to load as PS2's does....and that might be just because of the drive). It's really up to you.

XBOX-can be MODed (some are saying they can replace the CPU, HardDrive, DVD drive...everything to make it faster...w), plays DVD's
PS2-Plays DVDs
GCN-Can't play DVD's, but is $100 cheaper than the previous 2.

It's totally up to you. Look at the systems history before buying any of them. Look at future releases, if ANY appeal to you more that aren't on another system, then get that one..

I was actually ticked myself, because I didn't think I'd be able to get Simpsons:Road Rage, but it's on GC too..so, I'm happy..... :)

-BB

[ZorBrak]

GameCube has an exclusive Bat title for it next year too, called Batman Dark Tomorrow, its based on the comic plotline instead of the animated, I have Venegence for my PS2, it was good, but not a memorable all time great or anything, if your going to get a system I suggest GC, of course this is a personal opinion but to me if you want games, GC is where to go, PS2 can be a decent alternative but it has no first parties and the only reasons I got mine have come and gone, MGS2 and Soul Reaver 2, GameCube has Super Smash Brothers Melee, which is just plain AWESOME, theres a good 20 multiplayer levels and about 20 or so characters. It also has Rogue Squadron 2, which is ALMOST PERFECT in everyway, Super Monkey Ball which is addictivly good 4 player arcade fun, Lugi's Mansion, some other awesome games coming for it that look to kick ass are Star Fox: Dinosaur Planet, Resident Evil Zero, The Remake Resident Evil,Mario, Zelda, Soul Caliber 2, Eternal Darkness, Duke Nukem Forever, Phantasy Star Online Version 3 (I HIGHLY RECOMMEND!)...well I hope I could help, venegnce is a little bit better on GC PLUS GC is getting a Batman game exclusivly for it based on the Comic plotline....

[The Mad Hatter]

Vengeance looks and plays only slightly better on the GC (and Xbox, I'm assuming), so personally I'd look at the libraries of both systems and see which one appeals more to you. The PS2 has finally come out with a number of great titles and of course has the sheer number of games (currently) on its side. However, the GC has Nintendo's excellent programming houses behind it, and many PS2 games are being ported over to the GC (since the GC is ludicrously easy to program for) I wouldn't go for Xbox... aside from Halo, their current and future exclusive games are pretty lackluster. That, and the fact that Microsoft is pure evil. :p

A warning about Batman: Dark Tomorrow... we don't know a thing about it, and when the video game magazines/sites don't cover an upcoming game at all, that's a bad sign. Also, it's being made by Kemco, whose ROTJ game for the N64 was one of the five worst games for the system. Be careful.

[Wing Zero]

Ouch, don't even mention about that horror of a game! (ROTJ for N64 I mean) :p

[Bird Boy]

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
Vengeance looks and plays only slightly better on the GC (and Xbox, I'm assuming), so personally I'd look at the libraries of both systems and see which one appeals more to you. The PS2 has finally come out with a number of great titles and of course has the sheer number of games (currently) on its side. However, the GC has Nintendo's excellent programming houses behind it, and many PS2 games are being ported over to the GC (since the GC is ludicrously easy to program for) I wouldn't go for Xbox... aside from Halo, their current and future exclusive games are pretty lackluster. That, and the fact that Microsoft is pure evil. :p

A warning about Batman: Dark Tomorrow... we don't know a thing about it, and when the video game magazines/sites don't cover an upcoming game at all, that's a bad sign. Also, it's being made by Kemco, whose ROTJ game for the N64 was one of the five worst games for the system. Be careful.

Halo is coming to the PC..so XBox has nothing going for it...lol.

Also, once I herad Dark Tomorrow was I side-scroller, I was a little surprised. A side-scroller on a next-gen system?? But, after playing Melee's side-scroller fun, I must say, a side-scroller could work, if done properly (knowing KemCo..they won't do it right).

-BB

[The Game]

Basically the X-Box and Gamecube versions are identical, and are both slightly enhanced from the PS2 one.

I don't recomend chosing your system on this game only; there isn't a major difference.

[Tim Drake]

the gamecube version has sharper graphics, faster load time, and one or two new animations for Batman. Its pretty much the same though. So it just depends which system you like better. PS2 and Gamecube are both great. Just don't buy an X-box.... :-)

[The Penguin]

Thanks everyone for all your ideas and feedback. I certainly won't let B:V be the only determining factor in which one I get, but I think GC is going to come out with the better wrestling game anyway.

Don't worry about me getting an X-Box, Tim. That HUGE controller scares me! :eek:

[The Mad Hatter]

Hey, at least they've finally found a controller that Paul Bunion is comfy with...

(Did I spell that anywhere close to right?)

[DR. BELCH]

It's Bunyan, like the tree. I'd have alluded to Gilgamesh myself, but that'd just leave some posters scratching their heads and thinking I'm stranger than they do as it is.... :rolleyes:

[Tim Drake]

I finally got my own copy of Batman Vengeance for Xmas!! Gamecube version btw. I have a few complaints. The graphics while better than the PS2 version are still pretty messy. Actually I guess I only have two. The other is the music. Its not bad and similar to the show. But it has the same flaw as Justice League. The Batman theme is nowhere to be found!!! They have something that is almost the Batman theme but not as good. I have the SNES Batman animated game and it had the main theme why doesn't this one??????

[GrayGhost]

I have it for the Gamecube. I cannot beat Mr. Freeze. Who the heck thought of the idea of shooting those things up to smash those glass things over him needs beat up.

[DarkKnight]

What are the differences between Vengeance on PS2 and GameCube? I'm sold on the PS2 (Final Fantasy, you know; not to mention Metal Gear Sold 2) but it would be cool to know what the differences are between the two.

[Poison Carley]

I need help with Batman Vengeance on the PS2. I am on the last level. Alright like you know those three wheels you have to turn to like stop the water? Well I have done two. The first one is like right there when you go up the ladder and fight the two clowns in white. Then like the other one is on the catwalk. Where is the third one? :(

[Tim Drake]

The Gamecube version has faster load time and sharper graphics. I think IGN also mentioned that Batman has a new animation in the gamecube verson. After Bats shots a remote detonator you see his had holding a cylinger shaped detonator and he presses the button. So the game is essentially identical on both systems. But get a Gamecube anyways for Super Smash Bros. Melee!!!

[kid_flash]

See, I'm sold on PS2 because of Max Payne and MGS2, and I can get Vengeance anyway. And my friends have a Cube, so I can play any of those games pretty much anytime I want.

[Poison Carley]

:(

[LazyReaper]

I'd help, but I've never played the game! Sorry! :(

[Poison Carley]

Its alright I know someone out there knows. :( I like can't even find a walk through on the net.

[Bruce Wayne]

Well I haven't gotten up there yet. I did find a good walkthrough though. http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/batman_vengeance.txt

Now maybe you can help me out. I'm up to the Batmobile chase. At one point, when I'm in the parking lot, I have to press L2 to go left right? I do, and it doesnt work!!! It makes me miss the blasted turn. Even if the grapple hooked onto the wall!!! Help.

[Poison Carley]

Thank you! Thank you! I will look over that in a minute. :) Hmmm that was a tricky spot. Not like as hard as the stupid Mr. Freeze chase in the air. If I remember right, you have to do 2 quick turns. So you have to watch when it pops up what it tells you to do.

[Bruce Wayne]

Thank you!! You're a goddess. I'll have to try that, The link didnt work? Ok well, go to www.gamefaqs.com

Then, go in the PS2 section and look for Batman Vengeance under B. Go to FAQ's/Guides and click on the first guide you see. It is for gamecube, but it should be the same for PS2. it is the only complete one they have.

[Poison Carley]

Yes I am. ;) Like if that doesn't work I'll replay the level. Its been awhile since I played it but like I remember there are two fast turns like bang bang one right after another.

[Bruce Wayne]

I still need help!! I press the L2 button when needed at the parking lot. Doesnt work! This happens after the first time you go into the parking lot.

To add more to the fun, there's only one arrow that appears. Not two.. I've even sat in front of the TV... Mind replaying the level for a fellow BV gameplayer?

[Poison Carley]

I'll play it tomorrow or after this movie. Its in the Playstation 2 right now. Hmmm let me think. Like ohh I know what the problem is. Do you hit the other one first? Becuase like if you hit the wrong button first, no matter what you do it will not work.

[Bruce Wayne]

Originally posted by Poison Carley
I'll play it tomorrow or after this movie. Its in the Playstation 2 right now. Hmmm let me think. Like ohh I know what the problem is. Do you hit the other one first? Becuase like if you hit the wrong button first, no matter what you do it will not work.
I didn't hit the other one, I'm sure of it, becuase I've spent one hour just going through the same thing over and over and over and over and... you get the picture. So I don't think itll be possilbe that I have hit the same two buttons, over and over and over.... but who knows.

[Poison Carley]

So its the first part of the garage? The only thing I can think of is you aren't hitting it fast enough. Hmmmm

[Bruce Wayne]

No no, after you go into the garage for the first time, you go into it a second time around. That second time in the garage is where it happens. At the end, it tells me to grapple left, so I press L2. Then BAM! It says game over and I miss it. And then I curse...

[ZorBrak]

I have beaten Batman Vengnce and let me tell ya it was FRUSTRATING, good game but darn frustrating, but you guys need to be warned you are in for some serious frustrations at the final showdown on the Blimp if anyone has other problems PM me, and for the Wheels I unfortuantly forgot what I did but if you tell me more about it I may be able to help, and the parking lot if your reffering to the Ivy car chase, umm its hard and I really can't tell you much accept try it again and again.

[Bruce Wayne]

For my sake, and probably the sake of others, I guess I'll try to explain what happens. I've gone through it enough times that I memorized it. OK, maybe not... but I can tell you what happens. The first time you go through the parking lot, you take a left turn, no problem. You go through the streets of Gotham(ever noticed if split in half it says Got Ham? :) ) and then you're back in the parking lot, then BAM! you miss the turn even when hitting L2. So it's the second time going through the parking lot.

[ZorBrak]

hmm try to stay on the far right and if that doesnt work try to far left and you may be pushing it too early or to soon

[Sugar Daddy]

I have the Gamecube version of this game, so obviously the controls are different, but when for GC, all u need to do for the car chase is hit R and L when the arrows show up and avoid damage. Granted, I'm sure u knew that already, but thats all there is. But i dont know why I said this, because I kept crashing the car and my friend beat it on his 3rd try.

[Poison Carley]

ZorBrak- Can you please tell me where the third wheel is in the water works? I have found two, but like I cannot find the third one to shut the water off so like I can pass into whatever is waiting.

Bruce- Just wait till you reach Ivy's final stage. ;)

[Bruce Wayne]

Originally posted by Poison Carley
ZorBrak- Can you please tell me where the third wheel is in the water works? I have found two, but like I cannot find the third one to shut the water off so like I can pass into whatever is waiting.

Bruce- Just wait till you reach Ivy's final stage. ;)
Heh, but I cant even beat this stupid car level. :mad: Tried it for 2 hours today. Nope, didnt work... :(

[Sugar Daddy]

i may not be zorbrak, but

the first wheel is by the 2 thugs after u climb the ladder, the 2nd is after walking thru, and avoiding the falling piece and follwing the path, its there. the third is after jumping down from where the 2nd one is, and follwing the path, go to the grapple point, grapple, jump to the next path and its to the left. if thats doesnt help you, check here -http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/batman_vengeance.txt


even though thats the gamecube guide, it still tells u where it is.

o yea, and right now, im at the end of the gamecube version, at the blimp part. thanks goodness for gamefaqs.com. this game has stuff in the most random of places, but was without a doubt worth my purchase.

[Poison Carley]

Woah! Are you talking about the cat walk where like the first or second piece falls? Its down on the level below it? Where? :(

[Sugar Daddy]

the catwalk before 2nd wheel

[Poison Carley]

Bruce- Maybe there is a glitch in your game?

Hmmm I might have to turn the game on and look down there better. Where is it in respect to the pipes where the white thug is?

[Bruce Wayne]

yea, i thought there might be. But other people have had the same problem i think. I hope not though.

[Sugar Daddy]

if i remember correctly, after u go thru the door after the first wheel, the first plank falls, following that path leads to the 2nd wheel

[The Game]

Okay, I just beat the game like two days ago, and it's pretty hard, so I figured I'd help you out (Gasworks is one of the hardest missions in the game).

First when you start out, go right and jump over the jack in the box. Go around and avoid the two bridges, and go up the ladder. There are two thugs. Grab the handcuffs, and use them on the thugs after beating them up, because you'll need to come back through here. On the right (as you came up the ladder) there is the first wheel. Turn it to turn off the first pipe of slime.

Now go over to the far side of the area you are in and grab the health before going through the door. Follow that area down until you reach the catwalk. WATCH OUT! The first area of the catwalk falls away, but none of the rest do, so you can walk freely. There is only one thug up here. Beat him up, then follow the catwalk all the way, to find wheel number two.

Go back to where the first wheel is by retracing your steps. Jump down, and chose either bridge to cross. Again, WATCH OUT for pieces of the bridge that fall away. Anyway, go through that whole area, heading to the far wall and going through the door. I recomend just blitzing through and ignoring the thug and the jack in the boxes. Keep going through until you hit the next big room. Run through, ignoring the gunfire, and grapple to the next level. Beat up the first guy, and the others will stop firing- for now. Jump over to the next thing, which is one solitary plank, then the next. Beat up the thug, and over by the left and the wall closest to you when you came in is the third wheel.

Well, those are the three wheels.

As for you, Bruce Wayne, perhaps you are not clicking the grapples early enough. Just keep your eyes on the arrows (after awhile you'll be expecting them from a certian side), and press right away. You also might be pressing the wrond L button, you know.

If you have any more questions about the game, post them here.

[Poison Carley]

Thanks! :) I have made it to that spot. Like I jump down the big hole and stuff but I never had the last wheel turned. So after I found that, assuming I find it :(, I just go down the hole?

[Sugar Daddy]

i dont know what ur asking, but i literally just beat the game 5 minutes ago, and its not as hard as some people make it out to be. maybe its because i had a guide at the end, oh well

[The Game]

Yes, after that you head down the hole until you reach the bottom. From there you enter the room where the pipes you turned off are, and there are three badguys. Disable them with batarangs (if you have any) before jumping to where the one farthest from you is. Enter the door on your left, head up the steep steps, and continue through the puzzle.

lasportsbiggie- The game is hard for most inexpierienced gamers, but I still find it challenging- I beat it without a guide or any help, and there were a few tricks that took me awhile to catch onto. I spent two hours on "The Bridge" the night I got the game, because I didn't realize you have to lean up against the wall to get through! Sheesh!

[Bruce Wayne]

Hey, thegame, do you know how to beat the car level? My problem is somewhere in this thread.

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by thegame8866

lasportsbiggie- The game is hard for most inexpierienced gamers, but I still find it challenging- I beat it without a guide or any help, and there were a few tricks that took me awhile to catch onto. I spent two hours on "The Bridge" the night I got the game, because I didn't realize you have to lean up against the wall to get through! Sheesh! [/B]
i started without a guide, and got pretty far without one. however, and dont read this if u dont want part of the game spoiled
at the end where u have to disengage the autopilot and have to mix gases, the finding out purple and green would have been a little hard, but i dont know my color wheel to well, so how in the heck would I know which colors to mix to get them?

[ZorBrak]

I beat it a while back if anyone needs help... PM me...

[Joker Jr]

What do you do after the time runs out and you are told to turn off the switches? Whenever I go to the switch I get electrocuted?

[The Game]

Yeah, Joker Jr., what level are you talking about?

[Joker Jr]

The level is the one where you have to fiddle about with the cube and the wires. It's after that bit where I'm stuck!

[Bruce Wayne]

Oh. I found that rather easy. Start from your end point, and work you're way out from there. Always try to get the blue/red/yellow wire to another side of the cube.

[Joker Jr]

Thanks for the help. However I am stuck again. When fighting Mr Freeze how do you get the remote charges to blow up? Also any tips would be nice.

[Bruce Wayne]

What version do you have? PS2? For me, after I discharged it, to set it off i had to press R1. Took me a while to figure out.

[Sugar Daddy]

when u fire a remote charge, the thing u fired it with does not stay on the screen, a button comes up. press the same button u fired the charge with when the button shows up, and the charge detonates

and regarding the game, and slightly off-topic
i think the part where u have to avoid the police is taken from motp. i know that they could have come up with it on their own, as it fits the storyline, but i dunno.

[Bruce Wayne]

lasportbigge, do you think my game is defected? if it is, im poed. Because my ps2 version doesnt take the button out. ;_;

And about the spoiler, i totally agree. I cant wait for that part, I'll play the song from it in my head. :) Unless their grim music blocks it out.

[Poison Carley]

Hello boys! Well I didn't get to play last night. Had someone come over and we went out. Soooo I am back today :) Like I beat the gas level. Now I am being chased by the cops. Like I get to this rooftop where there is a billboard that has a car and says "zaroom" or whatever like what do I do now? I think I have to land and jump up those three ledge things, but I can't get to the third. Hmmm what do I do?

[ZorBrak]

Just keep running from the helicopter, there should be a door or somthing...

[Poison Carley]

I don't see a door or a jump. I am standing under a water barrel right now. :(

[Batman 80]

When you get to the ledge, you have to lean aganist the wall and walk over the balcony. Once over the balcony drop down and jump across to the doorway on the other side.

[ZorBrak]

oh yeah silly me and my rusty brain.

[Poison Carley]

You have to the Triangle button? Grrrrrrr Grrrrrr I need to call someone. Then I'll pick up on the game where I left off. be back in a few!

[Sugar Daddy]

i dont know if ur game is defective, it might be though, i cant tell without seeing the game, sorry.

also, im not sure where u are in that part of the game pc, but heres my best at helping u: ok, theres this part where u jump to what looks like a garden, and u land there, go to where the break in the fence is and jump through that to the ledge opposite there.

[Poison Carley]

Now I am fighting the police chopper. Like how do you make the stupid remote bombs work? I like hit it over and over and only every once in awhile does one of them work.

[Sugar Daddy]

i dont have the ps2 version, so check the instruction manual or check a video game website

[Poison Carley]

It was the L2 grrr now I am talking to myself...lol

[Sugar Daddy]

the chopper, if i remember correct, u have to get the 3 lights on the front 1st with charges, than the last 2

[Poison Carley]

My aim really sucks. You know what really sucks? The fact the button that detonates the remote is the same one that switches it so you only get one chance then you have cycle through all the weapons.

[ZorBrak]

Ok, Carley I booted up my Batman Venegnce so I can help guide you through it, why? becuase I have aboslutly nothing better to do, no school cuz its snowing hehe.
So next time you get stuck let me know, I'll warn you though I havent played it in about 2 months and play alot of games so I forget things, but I'll try to help

[Sugar Daddy]

o it was easy 4 me. my only problem was i kept falling

[Poison Carley]

Well its not easy for me and I am stuck fighting this stupid police chopper. :( I haven't fell it always kills me.

[Sugar Daddy]

i wasnt trying to be offensive when i said it was easy, i think the control system is better on gc, or it seems that way

[Poison Carley]

Ok I got the first set of lights now it is using the missles. This is the part that always gets me. :(

[Batman 80]

If you think that was tough, wait to you go the undercover level. ;)

[Poison Carley]

Brak- You can tell me how to get into the warehouse. :)

[ZorBrak]

hold on i was getting to the chopper lol I jsut got their and then refreshed the page to see you already beat it lol

[ZorBrak]

its 619

[Poison Carley]

I got the puzzle go me! :)

[ZorBrak]

Jump over boxe4s to get to higher boxes and then there will be some clowns take em out and there should bea a stack of boxeson your left
go up them and there should be a ladder now comes the light puzzle...

[Poison Carley]

I made it across the way to a catwalk.

[ZorBrak]

the light puzzle-go to the far end of the hall hit the switch, go in the room where the light turned green take out the baddie and then hit the switch in that room, the other room now should be unlocked, take out the bad guy in that room and hit the switch, go out to the hall to the other end hit that switch and hurry back to the room you were just in the door should be unlocked. hope I helped ya :)

[ZorBrak]

do you have aim? I can send messages much easier that way

[Poison Carley]

Now it looks like I will be on a foot race. I went into the second room where you have to flip the switch and run, now I have to repeat and run to the switch when you first come up.

[Sugar Daddy]

once again, gamefaqs.com has this all laid out, if it matters

[Poison Carley]

What do you do inside the blimp with all the lasers?

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Poison Carley
What do you do inside the blimp with all the lasers?


you have to turn off the 3 switches. there are 2 on the opposite side from where u start and 1 to the right of where u start. the 1st one u should do is the one on the right on the wall opposite you, then the 1 of the left of the wall, and then the one on the side

[Poison Carley]

I think I am getting a pattern now. I was trying to jump from the first switch on the wall, right to the next and that didn't work too well.

[Sugar Daddy]

no, after u get the 1st, jump back where u came from and go that way to the other one on that wall

[Poison Carley]

Made it that time now like I just have to get to the ladder. :(

[Sugar Daddy]

what you do is grab some batarangs, the regular ones, joker shooting wil cause those little joker things that shoot fire to come out, shoot those with the regular batarangs, once that is done, u can grab the electric batarangs or just go and shoot joker with a regular batarang, but u have to wait till u knock the gun out of his hands, and run to him when u do, he can pick the gun back up

[Poison Carley]

Help! Puzzle. I am guessing purple and green but what else?

[Sugar Daddy]

go up the ladder or something, go in the door and go buy the controls, and ill tell u what u do there in a spoiler box, im not sure if u want it

u need to mix purple and green, so in 1, use 2 colors to make purple, i think its red and blue, but im not sure, then the press mix, then make yellow with i think blue and yellow, then mix again, but i am not good with the color wheel so i may be wrong

[Poison Carley]

I win yay!!!!!!!!

[Poison Carley]

hehe...


Spoiler sort of...





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I didn't know they had co-ed cells at Arkham...lol

[Sugar Daddy]

o yea, each villan has their own room in the same area, weird, but i think its always been that way at arkham

[Poison Carley]

You might be right but Mr. Freeze did have his own special cell. I know I know its just a game! :p

[Sugar Daddy]

yea, but freeze had a special in cell Batman&Robin(bad memories) im still wondering why they let a visitor into the cell!!!!!! what a bad movie lol, sorry

[Poison Carley]

Batman and Robin? Never heard of it. ;)

[Joker Jr]

Hey Bruce Wayne, are you still stuck on that Batmobile level? Cos now I am.In the same place! :(

[Poison Carley]

Hey maybe they sent England defected copies of the game? :p

[ZorBrak]

I remeber a movie that had a guy with pointy ears and a guy in a silver suit and a bimbo in a cape but I can't remember its name..I think it was called Rainbow fruit fest :D

[Sugar Daddy]

im lost, i said batman & robin because i was comparing the cells there to the video game and i said yay so cal, as in southern california, because of the comment about maybe england got defective copies

[Bruce Wayne]

Originally posted by Joker Jr
Hey Bruce Wayne, are you still stuck on that Batmobile level? Cos now I am.In the same place! :(

Yep. :( I'm gonna try today. I have tons of free time. Same problem as me?

Anyways... WOW!!! I haven't went on Toonzone for a day or so, and this many posts... wow. You know, there should be an official thread to help out people with Batman Vengeance... like me... stupid car level.

Zorbrak? Poison Carley? Lasportbigge? Think you can figure my problem? When I hit the L2 button to go right, it doesnt work. This happens in the garage, the second time being in it. But of course, you all probably have memorized my problem. I know i did. :(

[Sugar Daddy]

try r2, i dont know, on gamecube left is one button right is another

[Bruce Wayne]

thanks for the help, but I'd have to turn Left. Unless I'm confusing my left with my right.. :confused:

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by Bruce Wayne
thanks for the help, but I'd have to turn Left. Unless I'm confusing my left with my right.. :confused:

i think u might be, originally u said u wanted to turn right, now its left, i am lost

[Bruce Wayne]

well, if i am confused with left and right... which is embarrassing... I know I'm pressing the right button because i press the one that the arrow points to, so i prees the button that is more closer to the arrow.. gets confusing.. anyone else?

[Sugar Daddy]

i have no idea what u are saying, sorry. when the green arrow points right, press the button to go right, when the green arrow points left, press the button to go left

[Bruce Wayne]

Hee hee... I'm a confusing guy. I do just what you say. Same exact thing, and it doesnt work...

[ZorBrak]

::sigh:: stupid car chase...I don't know sorry...just keep trying at different times and distances and stuff...

[Joker Jr]

I've done it! What you have to do is damage the car enough so that the little picture of it in the corner goes black.If you don't damage it enough you can't turn the corner.
Hope this helps :)

[Bruce Wayne]

THANK YOU!!! The ironic thing is, I figured it out from the message board at GameFAQs. Now, the challege is to hit it enough times and concentrate on driving. How does Batman do it?

[Joker Jr]

My advice is to just concentrate on driving until you get to a straight road without any other cars on it and blast him as much as possible. :D